Math Hoffa on Jay-Z & Dame Dash: I Believe There's a 'Divide & Conquer' Thing Going On (Part 17)
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Math Hoffa recently discussed the dynamics between Jay-Z and Dame Dash, sharing his belief that a 'divide and conquer' strategy might have driven a wedge between them over the years. Hoffa highlighted the undeniable contributions of Dash to Roc-A-Fella Records in elevating Jay-Z's career and recognizing talents like Kanye West and Cam'ron. However, Hoffa also noted that Dame's volatile nature might have strained his relationship with Jay-Z, who viewed him as more of a liability at some point. Contrastingly, Biggs Burke managed to maintain a good rapport with Jay-Z, thanks in part to his reserved personality and understanding of his role, which kept things smooth and conflict-free. Hoffa pointed out that as people climb the ladder of success, the absence of loyalty and emotional stability can lead to significant divisions and fallouts with former allies, as seen in this iconic hip-hop trio.
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Dame living in vlad head rent free
Jay owns real estate in Dame's mindstate 😂
@@fijiunlimited4503 when you go thru disloyalty, you’ll understand. The way he was betrayed by someone he saw as a brother, it definitely hurts that man. But you on here thinking everything funny
@@WeGetItOutTheMudTv That's a good point; I wasn't looking at that perspective.
Got a mansion in his thoughts lol
Vlad be interviewing himself at this point 😂😂😂
“Ya nam sayin?” 😂😂😂😂😂
@@s.wigginsTV 😂
Seriously 😂
Bruh😂😂😂
“Sometimes your actions closes doors that your apologies can’t open”
Vlad swears he knows everything lol 😂
Was just thinking the same 😂😂😂
It wasn't Jay-Z who saw Dame as a liability it was the J-ws who were in Jay-Z ear telling him to drop Dame...
So Jay z can’t think for himself? He’s a muppet for the chosen?
What’s that say about black ppl that the most successful of you are manipulated against their productive successful best friend?
Stop imagining things that make you feel better and try to think of the bigger picture of the ridiculousness that comes to ur tiny mind
@@hereticlife2546are you jewish
Oh please 😂 get off the bs
Dame is on video bragging about stealing money from a Rocafella income account. SMH.
Jay-Z was in Lyor’s ear if anything. That’s Hov’s personality.
In my hometown there is a great Italian restaurant called Joey Garlics which was family owned with 6 stores. The brothers had a falling out and split some stores. 3 stayed Joey Garlic and 3 became another name but both kept their family recipes. It happens in every business venture. People out grow each other. Dame just hasn't moved on from the divorce.
Which one is better
The Gracie family had some sort of issue just like that
@@drdread9896so did Moroni Family‼️😂
IMO, Yayo’s loyalty towards 50 is circumstantial. He knows his income is predicated on 50s success. So traveling the world and having the 3rd highest grossing hip hop tour with his successful appearances on Vlad talking about 50 raises his profile. Regardless of how many times he tells Vlad he doesn’t wanna talk about 50 all he does is talk about 50
Exactly
Why does Vlad always say “you know I sayin” when he talkin to black people
Tryna "relate" to us ig lol.
same reason we talk different to our friends than we do to our granma & talk different to our coworkers than we do to our bosses
@@joojoobaw That's on a relation basis tho. Pretty sure Vlad isn't talking to any of his white guests like this lol.
'cuz you blacks are easy to fool and impress. You ninjas invite everyone to the BBQ just cuz we pander to you lol you are easy to infiltrate.
@@JavonHolland Bro your name Javon, ya ass is black 😂😂You ain't lie doe, our community need to tighten up on that.
Jay and Dame didn’t grow up together they came up in the Industry as business Partners. Once one started to become bad for business they separated. Why do people have these conspiracies on what happened 🤷🏾♂️
Bruh jay hasnt said the word "dame" in an interview in damn near 20 years. Dame has made a 20 yr career of speakin about jay
He actually said great things about Dame in his Rock and Roll Hall of Fame speech
Dame doesn't bring jay up... he only talks about him when asked about him
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, SMALL minds discuss people."
~ Eleanor Roosevelt 🙄
You don't have to speak a person's name in order to talk about them. People slick talk every day with subliminal messages and conversations.
@@ArtisanWindchimesi said interview my boy
Dame wanted to be a boss and Jay-z wanted to be rich...
Dame want to be “the boss” so bad that he don’t care if he has no employees who want to work for him
@@joojoobaw
A common trait of bosses, especially in that industry.
Jay was already rich.. they were both bosses but jay was the one who wanted to mature, elevate and get out of that hood mentality
No, Dame wanted fair treatment and compensation from the powers that be. If that's wanting to be a boss, so be it.
@@cipriandobrea7369
Dame wanted the Golden Rule to apply:
Treat others like you want to be treated.
With such a extensive history, no one ever said that Dame played with their money.
We criminalize and demonize Dame Dash, but would stand-in-line to sign a check from Lyor Cohen.
But Dame made another record-label, we never even request the paperwork to file for a record-company (crickets [even Dame gotta say, "damn..."]).
Dame is a brilliant business man! Dame.only down fall is he is overly arrogant. Back when they first started they believed in "each other". When they was shopping jay demo. Nobody thought he was wasck! The main thing that was blocking jay. Was dame being so cocky! He use to clown rappers calling broke as well as executives. Biggie played a big part in they distribution. Biggie would tell anybody that would listen how nice jay was. Dame takes no accountability. Not once do he mention his faults in the break up. Every thing dame complain about down to the break up. Jay was actually the bigger person. They wqnyted to get rid of dame and biggs two yrs prior to they break up and give everything to jay. Jay was like nah we cametogether we going to leave together. Dame treated jay like a act instead of a partner. Jay never said he made dame. Which he did! Dame say they didnt get a deal because nobody liked jay music. A real manager with a arrist like jay would take full responsibility for not getting the job done because thats his job. Soooo when they couldnt get a deal its jay not talented enough and the labels hating on jay. They get they foot in the door Dame say its because he so smart amd that he put jay on. Nobody is going to want to be in business with somebody like that. Its a problem when n jay have meetings with out him. But he can sign artist with out jay z knowledge. Mine you the were "Partners" again dame is smart but unless you praise him and give him all the credit. Nobody else is smart. Down to these interviews you never hear jas bash dame he usually just clairify his stance in the situation. Biggs is the same way he never bashes his partners in public. Thats the only diffrence with dame and jay. Jay is all for partnerships he understand how important it is to have solid parnerships and the value it brings. Dame think he is the asset. From arrist to distribution companies actors writters producers. Its always the same story "I put them on" not we made it happened.
not reading your essay man, stay off the meth.
People just hate Jay for no good reason.
Keep that same energy when he passes away. I don’t want to see any fake love.
Demon lover
Trust me him dying ain't hurting too many folk not as many as they hurt while they alive imo
@@paco3132cap
Facts. But of course the fake love will come out in droves
Never
Dame did nothing wrong he did everything that Yt men in power do everyday…the only issue is Yt ppl still provide the checks so that made Jay disconnect from dame 💯
What does Yt mean??
Yeah bruh what is Yt?
YT People = White People ?? 😂
Dame did nothing wrong? 😂 yeah alright
@@D-Nice358white people..
Math killed Vlad with Jay z stabbing a dude and Vlad brought up Yayo lol YaYo was a lil dude who didn’t put no money and 50 carry him like his child don’t compare him to Dame Dash.
They hate each other & don’t like each other
Who?? Math & Vlad😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I can tell math hates vlad @@staxxdahustla8037
@@staxxdahustla8037 lol
It’s loyalty if you do what I say. It’s disloyalty if you try to go independent. Learn the difference people.
Vlad just interview yourself.
Stabbing a bootlegger is different than smacking a corporate dude. One is committing a federal crime and jeopardizing your business. One is just doing what Hov asked.
What you’re wis true, I guess, but you’re clearly missing the context. Those are both reckless & violent acts.
Un owned UNtertainment....."Corporate dude"
This just proves that TONY YAYO is one in a Million kinda friend !!! He is smart enough to know to play his position... he never goes agaisnt the person that helped him feed his family & he is loyal to a friend that never ever did him wrong! I salute Yayo for being exactly who he is and is proud to be that kind of a friend
Thank you Math for not letting Vlad use u to shade 1 of the hero's in the black community
Hero?
I’ll always support Dame because he’s passionate about his choices and has a great pov. On the flip side, dame was burning bridges, spending company funds on personal purchases, making major decisions without consulting the whole team and what really did it was the whole Aaliyah situation.
Aaliyah died like 3 4 years before the split happened and on the I miss you remix Jay says dame is missing you
The perspective of “everybody should be your own boss & if you have a boss you a failure” is a great POV? 😂 idk how Dame’s fantasy world would work if nobody was willing to be an employee
@@joojoobawyou don’t need employees. You only know capitalism.
What this is all about is simple: most niggas from the good don’t want to see you outgrow them. When Nas killed Jay-Z with ether, that made Jay Z (who at the time was very arrogant) take a step back and grow powerful behind the scenes. Thus as he was rising, dame dash wanted to still be on that big pimping popping bottles shit. To validate my point, who is on top and who is not? Who looks successful versus who looks like he fell off? I don’t believe Jay Z was involved in any Diddy bullshit and if I’m wrong I’m none the wiser but this is all about one dude wanting to grow and evolve and the other who didn’t want to grow. This shit happens in the hood all the freakin time.
Biggs is not a loud mouth 😤, doesn't talk down on peeps or get threatened by someone with more money. Dame on the other, if ur broke he'd clown u, have more money he'd beef with u still lol
Dame's mistake was talking reckless on the TH-cam and other media after the Roc-a-fella split. Should've just wished him the best and kept it pushin'.
Vlad you can’t have it both ways. Either you going to be an adult or you are going to be a child. The fact that you support Yayo’s proclivity to be unwaveringly loyal to 50 to the point that you don’t talk to certain people or won’t take a pic with 50s “ops” is ridiculous. Any man over 27 with “ops” is ridiculous. As much as Yayo proclaims he’s a street guy & Vlad is a civilian is asinine & Vlad should push back on that. Every interview Vlad has with a young current rapper on the come up he’s advising them about the dangers of their choices and all the stuff we are aware that he says. So what is it going to be Vlad? Yayo damn near 50 years of age. He doesn’t have ops. He has muhfuckas he doesn’t like. If he’s that immature or what I call is business decisions. Yayo knows who 50 is business wise and he’s not jeopardizing his earning potential by pissing 50 cent off. Let’s call it what it really is. Like Ak always says these industry relationships are fake and that goes for the podcast industry as well. Vlad you just need to be honest about where you stand. The middle of the road shit will land u in a ditch
But 50 took a picture with game a year before, Vlad stop the banks slander, and 50 said banks called him before they took the picture.
Biggs And Jay personality are similar
🎯
Sometimes you’re actions closes doors that apologizes can’t open 💯
To keep it 100 snoop dog is on dr Dre level
buck, game and banks didn’t invest in 50’s record label or have ownership/partnership in his company. jay is a snake for how he jerked dame, he intentionally sabotaged him.
Math stumped Vlad with his points. People always bringing up what Dame did, but Jay have done worst. Stop being biased Vlad
What did he do?
@@davidlawler587Supposedly Stabbed Un
@@dre7580that’s not supposed… he stabbed Un for leaking an album
biggs meme quotes don’t even b that deep 🤣
Math Is Dope🏁
@eastdalfashion214 Mathhoffa is a knuckle head.
Crabs in a bucket
I showed u ya first tec on tour wit large professor, then I heard the song bout the tec on ya dresser 🗣️
5:47 his loyalty is also because he can’t be as successful in the RAP GAME without 50 and he knows it
Dame and Jayz made history together they don't have to work together ever again
Jay fucking with Rkelly was the nail in the coffin..
Vlad really thinks people give a shit about what he thinks
Vlad only have guess on the show so he can hear himself talk.. it’s like he asked them a question then he proceeds to answer the question his damn self.
Vlad - you were such a fool on Piers Morgan
Vlad talking like dame needs to be grateful to hov, like they didn’t the roc together
Yo I felt that 8:34 that was real talk on the real 💯💯
Very astute observation
This dude is all knowing of all of inner black community like we have no code like they do!
Camron woulda had a better run in rocafella if dame had brought him in the right way
It’s been a few years. Saying dame will be fine
I have interviewed him before
Vlad compared early camron to Mike geranimo....lol.....not even close
I don't think Jay and Dame was close as people think...I think they relationship was started and ended with business only
5:21 damn once again Blad cutting guests off blabbing a bunch of public knowledge that WE ALREADY KNOW
Action closes doors apologize does not open them
It’s very simple. Jay z followed the LA Reid, luir Cohen and Steve stoute crowd. These looks to be same crowd being heard around a certain someone in trouble
Mic Geronimo was writing a lot of shit. Guess he stepped back for personal reasons cause he definitely knew the formula
Vlad actually like Jay’s hands are clean and he never did anything , It was ALL Dame according to Vlad
Didn’t he admit a lot of the blame for their falling out is Vlad’s own fault in one of the first clips tho?
Don’t forget state property and the classic movies Kevin hart
Nah, them snakish Jews got into Jay's ear....And they executed that divide and conquer shit on Dame!
Instead of talkin bout rumors let’s talk about facts.. AND WHERE IS BOOSIE?!?!
😭😭that last interview vlad was asking out of pocket questions
@@Dipset415 always does man 🤦♂️… eventually everyone steps away, lord Jamar and Godfrey were great on here and he fucked those up too 😂
@@caper087 💯Jamar was still his best regular guest 💯😭he kept it All the way real. Vlad can apologize to Marlon wayans but not the minister 🙅🏿♂️
Why can’t Vlad pronounce words that are supposed to end in a…rocafeller,buster rhymes..etc..lol
Dame Dash confrontational approach in the corporate world hindered his potential and damaged valuable relationships that could have benefited his future ventures after Roc-A-Fella. Unfortunately, as a Black man in Corporate America, adopting an overly confrontational stance can be detrimental to one's career. This approach often leads to: Burned bridges, Limited opportunities ,Perceptions of being 'difficult' to work with.
White ppl in business do it every and are not held accountable. Trump does it,Vince McMahon,car sales ppl,restaurant owners,etc yet when a black man does it he gets critique smh it’s bias .
People respect Dame. People just like Jay's music. ✌️
Some people are just “Ungrateful”…..
And some people just grow.
I prefer being dame right now coz he wasn't eating ssa along beside Brother Love
Damn brought us Kevin hart too
and Kanye
and Cam
@@DH-oy4zfCam was an established artist before Dame.
@@RichardHolland-jx6mc cam worked for dame as a teenager before rap
@@DH-oy4zf That had nothing to do with rap. He was signed to Un when he became a rapper, not Dame.
Dame personality clashes with everybody, it was just time to part ways...... rocafella wasn't gonna last forever, and even before they broke up , dame was going overboard signing multiple artist such as nore, twista, m.o.p,grafh, while at the same time struggling to put out his artist albums like memphis bleek m.a.d.e and camron purple haze album....... plus dame business ventures were failing, armadale, pro keds. He luckily found a gem in kanye but outside of that the only person who was bringing in real money was jayz...
He never signed Twista. He couldn’t get him out of his Atlantic deal. But his affiliation helped produce a double platinum album and he managed him for a lil bit and renegotiated his deal. So scratch that one off
I hate how vlad rushs all his guests off there point and then talks we aren't here for you doggy bone
Above you ?
A person above somebody?
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Jay-Z sold Roca-Wear to Iconix Brand for 204 million dollars and didn't give DAME Dash a shiny nickel of that money.
Impossible he can’t do that they shared it equally all 3 of them dame would have been sued Jay anything with rocafella they need each other approval
Dame cashed out early what was he supposed to give him?
Lmao 🤣!! Where do you get that type of BS from? Dame got $30M from that. He owned 25% of it
@@bammyville He got the millions from the sell of Roca-Fella not Roca-Wear Island Def Jam bought Roca-Fella not Roca-wear there fwo different companies owned by Jay-Z.
@@lnhp_t5117 Jay knew Iconix wanted to buy Roca-wear and withheld that information from Dame until he had no right to Roca-wear.
I see him talk about my oldhead Dame Dash I'm clicking it ! Period Point blank
Your old head 😂
Vlad don’t have nothing else to talk about. Dame and Jay beef stems from women. They both persued Aaliyah and Beyoncé
Idk about Beyonce but they both had Aaliyah
Vlad let it go! 😂…Dame a real one
It’s just like in the streets , this is nothing New …, like Nas said / Best friend, become strangers….
So u telling me west ,jay n cam don’t owe dame they life. Bru why do ya keep letting vlad tell us what’s the rules n loyalty mean to us in the streets. Vlad isn’t even on the other side of the coin. He way over there where he doesn’t even matter to us.
Dame was putting on notice that all those execs at that time that are now major players in industry today were useless and not needed and they plotted against him. The Mike Kizers, Julie Greenwalds, Kevin Liles, Randy Akers. The top dog Lyor Cohen. He was snappin on Kevin Liles giving Bleek a def jam jacket when he was a rocafella artist. Def Jam was trying to steal Rocafella artist from the beginning.
Def Jam owned 25% of Roc-a-Fella.
I can't wait until Dame gets the last laugh
Definitely a divide ➗️ and conquer 😅❤ love Math ❤️
Mike Gurronimo had Irv Gotti
Jay betrayed his partners, let's not pretend otherwise just because he is a great rapper
VLAD is 💯 right. Math always on the wrong side of history
Being loyal and being a man are 2 different things , 50 treat yayo like a commodity. Like imma give you a lil bit of money and treat you like shit
Yayo is loyal out of fear, everybody forgets how 50 threw his grown ass in the bushes for hanging around Floyd Mayweather when him and 50 was going at it
@@novacain943 exactly but not just fear , also money
It’s crazy how Roca fella fell off
Vlad please stop taking over your guest
Stabbing Un or macing r Kelley back stage all big liabilities. What’s the difference? 🤷♂️
Well said s/o the Biggs
Vlad is dumb annoying
Yet you’re still here
Its a woman in this story somewhere
Aaliyah
Dame was try to keep Jay away from them peoples Diddy got caught up with!
Y u worrying about ppl bizness mind ur own
My God I never heard an interviewer talk about himself or try to show-off as much as vlad... nobody cares just ask questions stop talking about who you know ...how much money you make... who you interviewed so on and so forth... you're mad corny already in alot of areas then you make it worse when you do that...be humble bro cause you already know they call you the culture vulture and I see why... fyi when you interviewed Tony yayo.. the way you dissed Marlon Wayans was NOT funny...at all. Get some hood friends to help you out cause you obviously don't know what's funny to us.
Untrue Math - you got the story wrong
Un said Jay’s man stabbed Un not Jay on this platform
Math right
Holla fit go fresh as fuck
Weak! None of it matches. It's like he just threw things on..lol
Jay z has made his choice to be closer to Lyor Cohen and Diddy. Think about that
What do you think about that
DAME wuz da business and mastermind behind all dat 💯💯💯 HOV a greedy Ninja DA END!!!
That’s your story and you’re sticking to it! 😂
Dame might have been the mastermind behind Roc-A-Fella however Jay made Roc-A-Fella if it wasn't for Jay's success Dame might not have every got the chance to once been rich and still be famous.
@@naaimshareef Most of them ninjas no different from Tekashi and Hov is 1 of em and do research 💯💯💯
@@godfidence8120 Regardless that doesn't change what i said about Jay and Dame.
Which one is financially sound?
Dame dash and JAYZ they must just solve their differences the are brothers
VLAD is of the culture! Hate it or love it.
Vlad want dame do bad on the platform