Para 3 LW vs Bugout. Part 1 - Discussion and predictions
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Pete at Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors did testing on BD1N. His conclusions were that BD1N has better corrosion resistance than S30V and that BD1N had slightly less edge retention than S30V.
I have a manix lw in bd1, no complaints at all.
Waiting for more colors on the lightweight para 3(specifically orange).
Cutlery Shoppe, will be all over that idea!
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@@SteveKluver supposedly it's in the works!
Smiley Face24 likewise.
Steve Kluver still waiting
No need to wait anymore they’ve got it
I love both but ive had the Omega springs break on two of my bugouts. Ive had zero problems with the Spyderco para 3 LW so far.
Thanks for the video my friends hope yall had a great weekend. I dont own either one of them but if i was going to pick one up my choice would be the bugout.
Cedric and Ada youtube channel did a steel test on the BD1N and it wasn't too far behind the s30v in his testing.
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I've had a UKPK in BD1N for a year now, bought from the factory store in Golden just after it got the upgrade from BD1. In terms of edge retention at the same angle, it's in the same general class as S30V, but it has better edge stability at narrow angles. Narrow angles cut better, and stay usably sharp longer as long as they don't roll or chip.
recently got the para 3 LW and for some reason i just really like it...more than I expected to.
its one of those knives where you have 'better' more expensive knives...but allot of time, you end up choosing the para 3 over them anyway.
cant really put my finger on why exactly but its just really nice. Great action, liking the compression lock, just fun.
I agree 100
I found your channel a couple of days ago and after cutlery lover, you guys are my favorite knife channel 😊
I babied my 940 for a couple of months after getting it. Now it gets hard use at work, and however else I need it. I enjoy every scuff and scrape.
I am going with the para 3 lightweight because I like the axis lock but the compression lock just gets me every time! Plus I feel like thumb studs make a knife look cheaper then it is.
I have them both, I prefer the Para 3 LW. I don't know if I'd be saying that if it weren't for the BM controversy though.
@FlamQ Dbltap That it does
I don't care for the controversy, I just care about the product I'm getting, and the bugout has been awsome so far
I love both that said I have had issues with both. Bugout chipped popping a zip tie and para3 rolled while shaving some wood. Like you said s35vn seems to be the sweet spot these days
you guys make me laugh and smile every video 🤣 so thanks frankie & bird!..... definitely going to get the para 3 lw 🗡⚔
Tough call guys.... The PM3 has the CTS-BD1N and I would like to see how the nitrogen steel performs. The Bugout is super light and has great action. (got to play with one at Blade Show) Just picked up the Carribien and the Spidie Chief... It might be time for a Benchmade. Thank you for the video. : )
My vote is for the para 3 lightweight. Been using it every day for a month now and absolutely great. BD1N blade holds up better than BD1 and it sharpens really well too.
We need a pm3 lw in gray Maxment
Waiting on different colors for the para 3!
Just got my hands on a Manix 2 LW. I really like it. My only complaint would be that the scales are not swappable
When y’all doing part 2??
A bit dated, but I just dropped $122 for the mint green BHQ special run of the Para 3 in CPM-M4. Most I’ve dropped for a pocket knife. I’ve had my eye on Spyderco’s for a bit. This one looked interesting to make me bite. It was that or the Deka. The Bugout scales feel flimsy to me.
Nice comparison! I prefer the Spyderco para 3 over the bugout. Purchased two of the blue/purple ones.
I have both. Have to say bugout is in my pocket more. Not to say I don't love the para3 light weight..i do. Only reason I like the bugout better is how thin it is. Love the video and you guys!
Have the bugout. Carried it for 2 days and an Omega spring broke. Sent it in to get replaced (bc Benchmade won't send springs out). Got it back after a week. Same day the opposite spring broke. Beyond pissed. Found a guy on eBay that makes the springs for $6 a pair which is what shipping my knife to Benchmade cost. Installed the new springs and has been working fine. So long story short. If you get a bugout got to eBay and look up Omega springs and just order them. Also, probably going to replace my bugout with Para 3 LW
I had the same experience with my bugout. I asked how many had been sent back for omega springs and BM tried saying I was the first they heard of.. which I didnt believe
@@dlife7427 get on eBay and just search "Benchmade Omega springs" there's only 1 guy on there selling them. They are different material than Benchmades springs and I haven't had any issues with them. Keep your original springs though in case you ever have to send your knife in for warranty work.
@ drew becker... Maybe some folks at BM enjoy "punking" style comedy?
940-2 for me in that price range. I didn't like the bugout/bailout at all...felt cheap and i guess they kinda are. The para 3 i've still yet to add to the collection...I'm on a knife strike until i get my custom SBD!! :) Thanks for the videos
I have a Delica 4 but I look at these new para 3’s and wonder if they discontinue the delica line since they basically turned the para into a higher end delica.
Interesting! I'm left-handed and have this same Bugout. I've also just ordered the exact same Para 3 Lightweight. I've carried the bugout as my main EDC knife for several months now. As much as I love it for a number of reasons, I do have a few gripes with it... 1. I HATE the pocket clip. It's too short and too rigid for sliding on without using two hands if I'm wearing sweat-pants (which I do a lot in the winter). 2. I wish there was jimping on the blade!! It 'bugs' me that it's not where my thumb likes to fall when holding the knife. Though it doesn't bother me too much, the knife is also a little off centre. That said, overall it is a really great knife. I paid £150 in the UK for it and have just ordered the Para 3 LW for £107. I look forward to putting the latter through it's paces and see how it weighs up against the Bugout. Thanks for the nice review!
Thanks for the video . Easy Spyderco . Y’all take care
thanks for watching!
I really like the BDN1 steel. Sharpens easier for me than S30V. My Para 3LW is my current EDC. Also my fave fidget knife.
Never liked the looks of a
Bugout, but really like my mini griptilion.
The answer is Manix 2 lightweight, and it predates the Bugout.
Thanks you two. Another fun video!
You bring up a great point again, in this video, that I see a lot of newer knife buyers not considering. In not deciding to choose a slightly better carry knife, over one that may be slightly better in hand. Especially for those who may only use their knife once or twice a day (very little in hand time). In that instance, when the knife is in the pocket maybe 15 hours a day. 5-7 days a week. For many, it's not better to have a knife that is slightly better in hand, but more of a pain to carry, if it's going to spend most of its 105 pocket-hours a week, being carried.
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thank you Steve!
@ Steve Kluver... Real world, regular guy EDC (typical)... vs. Fantasyland EDC. The grownups' choice suits me; and I infer, you, too.
That's exactly why I use a bugout for daily carry. It actually spends most of its time not being used, and it's so thin and light that I honestly forget it's there...
I keep an old stainless delica 2 in my hiking bag for cutting branches and stuff where the heavy construction is actually an advantage
I have a manix 2 in cts bd1 sans the N. I like it, not the GREATEST, but I e joy a steel with a solid mix of edge retention and ease of sharpening. Ctsbd1 is super similar to VG10. Not sure about the N
I have small hands and wear a medium size glove. Even for me the bugout is a pretty small knife. It’s super thin and very light to the point you don’t notice carrying it. I do worry about how cheap it feels in the hand. The blade is super thin and then they have the omega spring issues. Don’t have any experience with the para 3 only the 2.
Still haven't picked yet... Any more reccomdations 2 years later? Considering the CPM 27 para 3lw because it's blue and powder steel... But the bug out is also available in blue and powder steel... But I love spyderco... But I also want to try something with an axis lock...
*dies of indecision*
Watching in 2022: I have and love❤ both, carry both often ( not at same time ), they each are great knives..!!!
had both and ended up selling the para 3. Love the bugout.
Every benchmade knife I’ve owned has been disappointing, I stick with Spyderco from now on. Just can’t go wrong with aesthetics, ergonomics and premium steel options.
I have yet too see a comparison between para 3 LW vs BM mini Bugout. I think this would be a better comparison
God Bless you Guys ! I love your vids
2020 what a Year for Spyderco. I think that Spyderco Para 3 Lightweight Black is Just a perfect Knife I love it. Now I’m just waiting for the Spyderco Para 3 Blue Satin SPY27
Just bought that knife!
I just got 3 of those for my brother’s and I. It’s sweet
Guys!Where is the PArt 2, Para 3 LW vs Bugout?
I just got a bugout. I got the blue one and decided to buy it with the partial serrations, mostly because I don't have a partially serrated blade yet. Haven't used it enough to have a strong opinion on that, but it is so much fun in the hand. Love it when I hand it to someone and see the look on their face, and they say, "wow, light."
Pretty excited for the Para 3 LW. The Para 3 is my favorite spyderco so far, so I'm hoping for some good sprint runs on the lightweight - primarily M390.
Wow really amazing looking Spyderco Para3 Light Weight!!!
And I hope Para3 Light Weight come in Blue!!! ^w^
I have that same Bugout & a G-10 Para3. Waiting for a different LW-P3 & my 940 is scuffed, scratched & chipped from use! LoL
Both great. Action seems to be a little easier to get right on the bugout.
Would love a white for the lightweight
New follower here. I enjoy your videos a lot! I was wondering, do you have a video on your most carried/used knives you own? That would be very interesting. Thanks!
thank you! we do most carried videos every now and then yes. search birdshot iv most carried for some past ones
Though I like the blade of the P3LW more (under 3" edge for a day/night edc, please, thanks), I don't love their S30V. Also, I'm not a fan of the wire clip; it lacks necessary tension IME.
I have not handled the Bugout, but it's def slimmer in the pocket. The AXIS lock is truely ambidextrous and it's as strong as you could want (and it flicks great once broken in).
P3: the daggum stop pin on all the Spyderco knives I own are all some TOOL STEEL and rust af. Why? Does the stop pin really need to be 68HRC. I mean, wouldn't a hard stainless work better? (Yes, it'd be chippy. But. It's a STOP PIN.) A 154CM hardened up sounds about right-boom, done.
But no, I have to use steel wool and a pick to scour my stupid stop pin once every month or two, then try (again) to stave off the rust with some protectant (tip: Johnson paste wax).
I hope Eric & Sal think all that over.
Verdict: Benchmade takes it in a split decision.
I actually have a bugout gold class but not the standard version yet. Crazy right? I am hoping they come out with different colors. Hate the blue. On the fence on the tan.
haha awesome!
So after some time of having the bugout I'm a little dissapointed (although I'm more disappointed in Benchmade in general) as I've come to notice that the one I got has an uneven bevel and for it to have a smooth action it ends up having a fair amount of horizontal play. Also one of the omega springs broke so I replaced it with one of the springs in my Ganzo. Now I compare that to my Ganzo G729 that came perfectly sharp, has no play even with a very smooth action (on one spring), and a totally even bevel for a fraction of the price. It really bums me out becasue I was really excited to have a Benchmade but when you take the price into account with its current performance (or lack there of) it just doesn't seem worth it. I mean really, if you're paying higher end "premium" prices then it should be expected to work correctly and not have the problems that it does.
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Have a para 3 lightweight, carry it to work all the time, put jade g10 Puttman scales on my bugout and love it, the blue grivory is horrible.
Agreed on the blue, Joshua, but the 'ranger green' ain't bad. I'm not much tempted to play $cales $wap with my new Bugout, having had it in hand. With the weight of the P. scales added, there are suddenly some viable competitors in the light carry weight game, any number of which might be said to look more 'polished' and better integrated overall. But I would say that the the combination of thin, lightweight blade stock and practical, sweet spot length on the Bugout's blade -- as well as your getting a tried and true, predictably performing S30V -- may be tough to duplicate elsewhere in a knife you really want. Good luck with yours!
From the results of some of the cutting/edge retention tests the BD1N is around 85-90% of what s30v is in its current factory form. I'll take that for the lower price point. The ergos on the Para 3 LW win for me hands down and with the blade length at 2.92" make it MUCH less worrisome when it come to NC random knife rules from town to town(I travel and use my knife in public in my job). As far as benchmade goes I'll stick with my couple 940s since blade length wouldn't be an advantage for the bugout and fit and finish is a no contest with the weight of my 940-1 being nearly equal. This will be my first Spyderco due to this model's ergos finally making sense to me and the compression lock helping my fidget obsession. Let's hop they redesign the Manix LW to smooth out some of the edges and I'll have TWO Spydercos. LOL!
@ Chris Hall... I do the love the Manix 2 LW -- the balance in hand is SO much better for *EDC tasks* than is the experience from my new CPM Cru-Ware / G10 Manix 2! No complaints from me other than the two obvious negatives -- the tall profile in pocket, and the rather unpleasant to handle plastic ball cage assembly -- now that my LW is broken in. But as you seem to suggest, there really isn't any good reason for the FRCP handle to be so blocky in appearance and feel. It could simply be more 'modern'.
The original Para 3 in G10, BTW, was for me more like "hate it" within 45 seconds! Such a ploddingly derivative, uninspired, all around mediocrity. The LW version looks MUCH better to me... almost tempting... but I personally prefer a much less steep thumb ramp in use -- Manix 2, Sage 5, Native 5, Domino, etc. Anyway, I'd just say go for the Manix in BD1N, Chris. Forget dreaming of perfection and just get on with it... :-)
Just got my Para3 in M4. It feels like there is nothing there. So light I don’t know what to think of it. I will say the plastic is pretty solid. There’s no give. I can flick it open. Getting it to flick shut is more challenging, but it is brand new. It is migrating to the cool side of the force. Everybody makes I thing on how the Bugout is a bit over 1/2 oz lighter. I don’t need a knife to be any lighter than the Para 3. I can’t feel it my pocket. It is way light. To me the difference is inconsequential.
I like it in the hand. It is well thought out clearly for a small knife to fit so well into my largish hands. I can tell they put a lot of thought into that aspect of the design.
The blade centering is a tiny bit off. I think it is due to the bronze washer offsetting the blade towards the other side because the side of the blade with the washer is pushed out just a bit. Couldn’t care less about that. Getting used to it but my initial impressions are favorable.
Do you know anything about Kevin John knives ?
I’ve handled both, I prefer the para 3 out of the two but what are your thoughts on the benchmade 940-1? It’s a match in weight to the para and much more blade.
One thing I want to see for the future of the Para3 LW is for Spyderco to apply their CQI and put some steel around the pivot area on the FRN side (the Sage 5 LW seemingly will have steel liners so maybe that's not an issue for it).
The stop pin going directly into FRN isn't confidence-inspiring. The Bugout at least has the stop pin going into metal on both sides first.
yes and yes ! i hate the cheap construction of the para 3 lw and only one washer !!! why!!
@@loyalpoehler3991 Eh, FRN isn't the issue; it's the Lightweight after all. It's just strange to have only one side with metal when the Sage 5 LW and the Bugout has metal on both sides.
Here's the 'scientific' fact of the matter -- neither you nor anyone else out in "the community" commenting negatively knows whether or not the one side of pin into FRN thing is a problem or not. Talk is cheap, especially coming from the non-responsible, "2-cents" invested masses... and Eric G. has a lot on the line. While I certainly understand the concern, I know what the smart money bet is here for *most* users.
If having to... only just maybe (pure speculation)... make a warranty claim six years down the line is going to ruin your life or something, geez... no further comment. Maybe a lot of the dissers were never really much of a prospective *purchaser* for a LW Para 3 in the first place... which would explain a lot. If you really *like* the fairly one-of-a-kind Para 3 LW otherwise, and truly know what you want, for Pete's sake, just buy it!
I want a sprint lightweight in the teal that BHQ did on a delica with Lc200n
The bugout is not that much more expensive - less than $30 the last time I looked. But the steel is a significant improvement over the para3 light weight. Give me an upgraded steel in a sprint run para3 light weight, and I would take that in a heart beat.
Blurple Para 3 lightweight, please!
agreed, thanks for watching
That is a super cool Spyderco knife! I purchased two of them.
I'm a Spyderco fan but I'm honestly trying to figure out who the P3LW is for. Take away the fidget factor & you can get so much more knife and/or at a better price, just in the Spyderco line.
I don't get why it's the bugout. Isn't the mini griptilan sheepsfoot a much closer comparison? It's closer in blade size, weight, opening method and price. Are Spyderco fans worried the para3 LW might lose to the new s30v mini grips? I've got a bugout, mini grip sheepsfoot and para3 lw and the mini grip is the closer... and better knife.
I like my manix 2 light weight, its faster and easier to sharpen..
I love my manix 2 lightweight mines in maxamet so its not as fast to sharpen but it sure stays sharp. Ergonomics on that knife are top notch!
It's weird that the PM2 is my favorite knife yet I have no interest in the para3
Jo N ...why it’s that? They are similar in many ways. Just curious.
@@mickkeim4142 Not sure think I just prefer larger blades in general. The PM2 is on the "smaller" end of what I would often carry
@@jfnurod Its probably just the thought of buying the exact same knife in a smaller package that turns you off lol, seems meaningless. I have the bugout and I wouldn't look twice at a mini
Does the Para 3 scales flex as much as the Benchmade scales?
still waiting for that part 2...
You know that spyderco is going to produce sprint runs of the para 3 lightweight. The bugout is so popular. However Benchmade doesn’t do sprint runs! Some bugout sprint runs in different colors with different anodized thumb studs and standoffs would be so cool. A coated M4 bugout would be epic! The only problem is Spyderco sprints are almost the same price as originals but Benchmade would charge WAY more for a sprint
@ Joseph A... Yep, they probably would. But why M4... on a Bugout? This makes sense? You're gonna torque *any* Bugout blade *hard* , left and right and... whatever? "Horses for courses", Joseph. Now, K390 *could* make some sense for a relatively thin slicing blade (ref., my own Spyderco Urban)... *if* you have what it takes to put a truly wicked edge on it. There's a difference between "toughness" and "edge stability", and why either might matter.
Here I am happy with 14c28n and all of a sudden S30v is "the super steel of 1995"..
@Birdshot IV yep those handles, check out my comment on the last video you post showing the para 3 LW lol Awsome knife loving it! Keep up the great work guys!
No, I don’t think it will stay BD1N forever if you go way way back to when the Manix 2 LW was first released it was also in that steel now it’s running all sorts of other options like s110v and more expensively Maxemet in some places. I am no expert but patterns with Spyderco seem to go pretty similarly
The optional blade steels for the Manix 2 LW are not very practical for *most* EDC users. There are certainly *not* "all sorts of...options"... not in the LW versions (no more XHP "exclusive" editions -- a long gone blip on the radar -- forthcoming anytime soon that I know about, just for one example).
Para 3 LW vs Manix 2 LW. Which is overall better for EDC?
@ James ze... Going off a Para 3 G10 I owned for, like, 'five minutes'... I say Manix 2 LW all day long! It is supremely versatile in use -- multiple ways to grip and direct the tip -- and just plain satisfying... and it has character the P3 in any form lacks, oh, so noticeably! The LW is the best all around Manix for most kinds of practical, EDC use. I am thrilled to have snagged my CPM Cru-Ware Manix 2 limited ed. for when and where I might need its advantages; but the LW is the true jewel. Don't pay FRN / FRCP dissers any mind. Think smart.
In defense of your spydie flicks I find that if you dont use a spyderco for a little while the washers grow a bit of oxide causing some initial friction/stick
haha thank you
I have both and they both have equal pocket time
I still think that the big sell for me would be if Spyderco made a standard length Native compression lock. I don't like the profile of the Para line that much. Given that the Lil Native has been relatively successful I would imagine the Native Compression would be even more so. The Sage LW and Para LW prove that it can be done with the FRN handles.
@ S M... The short blade on the Native 5, given its profile, is not a great prospect for a fiddly , bouncy compression lock -- a wholly unnecessary "toy" feature, in this hypothetical case. The Native 5 rockets open with "crack" using a comfortable and natural feeling, fast thumb 'walk'. What are you imagining you'd be getting out of a second rate compression lock implementation?
All 4 of my Native 5's close *fast* and *satisfyingly* one-handed every time -- "drop shutty" to 90-110 degrees, then "pop", closed with a touch of the thumb. My advice: learn to be more skeptical of the hype and social media showoffs... and think it through more thoroughly. Have you *had* a properly set up Native 5?!
One wonders when/if these knives will use LC200N for the blades. Especially the Bugout given its marketing personality; but also the Para 3 since Spyderco makes Salt versions of so many....
But how rust resistent are the Omega spring and stop pin on the Bugout? Hmm...
Counterexample to 'this is the LW, maybe there won't be other colors/steels': how many Native 5 LWs are there?
Waiting to see the Sage lightweight.
Another lightweight carry blade is 0450cf ???
Where is the ZT Frankie? 😜
The only thing I hate about the pm2/3 is how much room they steal from pockets just because of how wide they are
I like the original para 3. Proven steel and strong. But does cost more
I really want a blue or a red one.
I'm thinking of a winner for Benchmade. A 3.5" og 4" bugout, shouldn't add much to the stupidly light weight, and have what you need primarily on a knife: A blade.
Benchmade, just bloody steal the wireclip, common, you can do it!
Para 3 LW in Maxamet with gray frn would be awesome.
I love my bugout it’s one of my favorite knives in my collection
I don't understand why they only used 1 washer on the PM 3 lightweight.
Because the other washer is built in to the liner on the other side. The other washer is plastic, but hey it works. Love this knife!
@@fundoodman yeah but why wouldn't they just use a bronze washer on both sides? To save a penny? They action still looks great from all the videos I've seen. Just seems odd to me. I'll probably end up picking one up.
Yeah, I really don't know but it works pretty darn good somehow. Had mine taken apart the other day, it's nicely done. I wouldn't have ever come up with the built in washer idea but it does work just fine. Hope you have a good experience if you get one, I like it.
@ Shaun Harrison... I betcha the self-lubricating "plastic" side fouls much less with grit and is easier to clear than the phosphor bronze side. PB is *not* "simply better". Ask Rick Hinderer, if you don't believe me. But no, I don't know offhand what the *design* rationale for the 'halvesies' approach is either; but I am confident that this was a performance-design decision, and not a "cheaping out" decision as some know-nothings suggest.
I want a paramilitary 3 but I will always favor Benchmade over spyderco. Also I have a kershaw fraxion which i never used because the clip but i asked kershaw for a pocket clip from the atmos and with slight modification and my amazing sharpening skills it no has a super sharp mirror polished edged with a deep carry pocket clip
Para 3 for the win my bugout had to go back to benchmade felt like it had sand in the lock
Bought both and the bugout is superior. Better feel, better blade angle, better sharpness, better locking mechanism, and better warranty.
Light heavy weight champ. Love my pm3lw
I'm ok with SV30, but BD1N is fine and I can see it being a work horse in the Para 3 form factor, just like the Dodge RAM 1500, Mototrtrend's truck of the year for 2019.
A "work horse" until the Fiat-Chrysler junk starts to fall apart. I would hope that even my cheapest EDC rotation knife, a Tangram, has a more practical and satisfying service life. (Motor Trend, et.al., marketing hype, BTW and FWIW: ha, ha, ha, ha, ha... You must be young and green around the gills!)
Haunted house??? I missed that one...I do not own the BugOut, but I have the PM 3 lightweight. I love it. And plenty fidgety. I’m just not a big fan of stud open knives...and I’m a big Spyderco fan. Soo...it’s would take a pretty high review to talk me into a stud knife, even if I know the BugOut has a huge fan base.
I think what we all want to know is: Can we switch the blade from the LW with the original s30v g10?
Are they going to do a LW Para 2?
What about the Tanto Para 2?
*Also making a delica/endura 5 with a finger choil and wire clip!*
Compression lock on the manix?
I've been giving some thought to a military with a compression lock called the Remilitary?
The para 3 is on washer.... As in one...
Well, I picked up a Bugout recently after owning numerous Spydercos, and I find concerns about the lightweight scales to be way overstated by some. I mean, the unusual *sub* - 1.9 ounce carry weight of the 3-1/4" bladed Bugout, with its slimness & balance, is pretty much *the* main point of the design exercise, isn't it? This can get to be a bit like complaining that an MX-5 Miata is too lightly ("cheaply"?) built and proportioned to carry 4x6 drywall sheets home from the mall. There are lots of choices out there, folks.
Here in the real world, there are no notably cost effective options for a complementing carbon fiber scales upgrade, which is not a matter of need, IMO (by not "cost effective", I mean in terms of upfront cost: simply typical of going to aftermarket mods, no more, no less); and given the history, I doubt that a hypothetical featherweight CF option from Benchmade themselves would change that picture much. So I'm happy enough that the Bugout is what it is.
So on balance, I was more satisfied than I expected to be upon receipt of the knife ('ranger green' version)... except for the apparent problem with galling (?) between the axis lock stop pin and the rear side blade contact surface on my example. It just got worse with exercise during the very first (and only) play session. In with some Ballestol to clean and lube... out with the blackened fluid (metallic particulates?)! The pivot is grit and resistance free, no problem there. Has anyone else had such a problem with a Bugout? Am I looking at a metallurgy issue on mine? It got free'd up quickly out of the box, as you'd expect... then started getting worse and worse. Hmm...
Para 3? No thanks, in any form, though the LW looks better than the original to me and seems to be a better thought out design, unscientific speculations over build quality by unequalfied internet critics not withstanding. Leaving aside my almost instant dislike of a briefly owned original G10 Para 3 w/ clip upgrade, my chief objection to the LW version is subjective -- the steepness of the thumb ramp. I don't know why I'd want to carry the still dubiously styled P3 over either of my Manix 2's or my Native 5's... or the upcoming, thinner behind the edge Sage 5 LW. Again, just my subjective 2¢ on that point... since you two asked!
Where’s part 2?
Upgrade the steel & in burnt orange.
I have the same Bugout & my Para 3 LW is Blue FRN with SPY 27 Steel. My 940 is a scuffed user too, it looks cooler than your safe queen! ~ LoL
Bugout all day , I hate finger choils, I'd rather have more blade . Also , I like their s30v , at least you know what your getting , especially with all this M390 controversy going on, I know I own a few M390/CTS-204P/CMP-20CV blades that have Questionable HRC .
@ Brian F... "...with this M390 controversy going on..." Yep. It appears that Böhler has given relatively little priority to discovering best protocols for handling M390 as a *knife blade steel* . And it shows, we are finding out. My thinking on a recently purchased Bugout and its S30V is much like yours. I'd rather it were similarly well handled S35VN, though (with about 2/3 the vanadium content).
I like the bugout more honestly interested in the steel on the para 3 lw tho
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BirdShot IV noice
From what I've seen it's about the same as 440
Adam Szuszkiewicz I don’t know what you seen but your totally wrong man EDIT: nvm was thinking of nitrob77 for some reason lol yeah fairly similar to 440c
@@bp-hx9ts no worries! There's so many blade steels out there it can be hard to keep up 😂 it's a shame imo that the steel on this one is so meh for the price, like it's just OK, the only pro is its easier to sharpen
Just can't get past the look of basically any Spyderco, especially the FRN handle versions.
I agree get both. They are both great EDCS. Both very functional. I like them both but if I had to pick one I personally like the Para 3 LW better. It is more comfortable when cutting more stuff and on mine I like the action better. Great fun video as usual.