not to mention how ANY artist will NEVER do the sketch right the first time, there's always the head too big, arms too short, rotating the whole picture or parts of it, she drew perfectly since the start
Anatomy, my biggest enemy. I hate how often that happens, I usually redraw the whole thing about 3-4 times before I get things right (when drawing digital)(partly because I try to draw right from the beginning instead of doing the damn sketches, why am I like this?)
There are some crazy people out there who do it perfectly and without guide lines, but very rare lol it baffles me when I watch them. The channel "drawsoeasyAnime" has some examples ;w; Charcoal artists scare me the most lol
It's also why artists are leaving Instagram or Adobe, can't remember which, since they make you have to give your permission for your art to be used for AI to "learn"
@@ChaoticNalilitoMCit’s both, though you’re thinking of adobe specifically, people are leaving insta because it’s doing the ai training thing where you have to opt out of and some places you can’t opt out anyways
bad art made by a human will always be better and have more value than an image generated by a computer!!!! making bad art is great! it has value and brings joy! ai images do not. at least to me and most artsy people i know.
I have to say i had a classmate who was good at drawing more traditional stuff and was always saying "Nah drawing anime is easy, you don't need to learn if you already know how to draw" Then we saw him miserably fail while trying to draw a basic anime character.
This, but myself. I was humbled like shit for this. And the result? It takes me 3 WHOLE YEARS to at least some sort of mastering the tool, still draw like a dingus though. Style change, tools change affects different psychomotoric muscle memories and different proficiencies. I took an art course just to learn all of that back.
Traditional artists always snobbish dismiss the effort and knowledge that goes into anime. It's not just "simple cartoonish" style. It's about not only getting an effect, but doing it with as a simple a style as possible. Sometimes the way the eyes and faces are drawn look good, but are extremely difficult to get right. Anime is also a lot more unforgiving on wobbly lines than traditional art. Slightest wobble on the eyes, and the piece is dead.
It's easier for normal stuff honestly . What takes some time getting used to is making it expressive like a manga . Went from more traditional to anime when I was learning .
I know it’s so fun and I hate when they try and guilt trip ppl into silence like yes we understand that you’re a person too, but you’ve scammed people out of maybe hundreds of dollars with AI art you’re not a respectable person
Honestly, its great when people actually believe me! But TWICE now i have put together documents full of reasons why specific artists in communities are using AI and BOTH TIMES, i have been the one booted. I am literally explaining things as clearly as possible, giving genuine reasons and proof, and people will sit and be like "Uhmm.. maybe theyre just a beginner. Youre bullying beginners for this. Are you calling them bad?! Youre lying for clout" etc etc. Its so fucking annoying.
Hello! I watched the video from 28:14 to 29:12 and I will say that this person is CLEARLY tracing. Interface of Procreate is in Russian and, as a Russian speaker, I can understand what is written. So basically you paused at the right moment (on 28:26), because you can see a layer that is called "Изображение вставлено" which means "Image inserted" and it is hidden. HMMM I wonder what that means.
The traditional pieces "by this person" belong to someone from Tumblr, was stolen by Pinterest and deleted. I was a mutual of the original artist 5 years ago.
i've seen artists shading their sketch roughly. i do that sometimes for fun. BUT everything else in this video i agree with. this person is def using ai. actually disgusting
I like to outline and hatch shade my sketches where i plan to put in hard edge shadows, I think this way of planning shadows is pretty normal, but with the style of shading in the video, with such a big area outlined with no hatching to indicate its a shadow, it does look suspicious.
I hatch shade my sketches so I have a general idea of where the shadows should go but tbh the way she did it in the time lapse just looks weird. Like I’ve never seen an artist (including myself) who blocks out shading but doesn’t make the shading darker than the rest of the sketch. Probably helps that I typically use cell shading for coloring and don’t fully render art out.
I have done shadow maps over the sketch when drawing in ink, because I can't go back once I start hatching. Seems odd to do it if you are working digitally.
I’m constantly getting follows from “graphic designer” accounts that either do that super generic looking logo stuff with strange looking live2d rigs or blatantly ai bs and I hate it
It’s bad, I’m very small and I do all my own art for my streams (when I was still doing them) and for a solid year or so I got nothing but “hey join in this raffle to get the cool starting soon screen.” Brother stop please!
@@AuxDroidi got those too, i just blocked and removed them. it's better to have a few real followers than to have a bunch of fake followers given that they don't interact with anything i post
i hate to say it but, anyone using AI generated images or tracing 3D assets and passing it off as their own work, is pretty much what i would called "a HACK."
@@dmrfunkster If you hate to say it, then don't say it. If someone is using an AI image as say a reference, I'd hardly call them a hack considering using a reference and a tool provided is PAR FOR THE COURSE in the art industry, and you would have to be fucking stupid think otherwise.
@@rosl. it didnt get deleted, and it seems that they mightve traced over the image to try and make it look like they drew it themselves by using the undo method
@@rosl. there's a hide layer on speedpaint that's only available on procreate so they literally traced over the existing art yes they can draw but passing AI art as something you draw fully yourself for a commission is a scam on it's on because of the different price tag
I think its because it's that 1% of the anti AI filter that miss. There are a lot more of AI images there, but if only one or two shown up, then the filter did a not quite enough good job. Still, I get your point.
the funniest thing in the Frieren art was how she’s suppose to be on the beach (there even are plam Trees!) but in the back there is a whole forest with different kind of trees
One month is unrealistic because if your are first off changing from traditional to digital and changing from realism to anime you would not be that good💀💀💀💀
but at the same time you're missing the point. an artist who could be rendering at that level would usually be more concious about consistency. like she said, it's ok to be making those mistakes or inconsistencies, many artists likely have at some point
The thing with switching from traditional to digital is that it feels really bad as an artist. And if they were told they could make money off of their digital art, and then they started using digital art and found themselves struggling, it is logical that they would jump to "helpful" tools such as AI to speed up their "progress". It's demotivating and it's frustrating. I have been drawing digitally for years but I'm currently feeling horrible about my own art for other reasons, and I understand the desire to "just make good art", especially if you're used to that traditionally. Literally every artists knows this feeling. But it doesn't excuse the use of AI; it's not your art anymore.
ugh omg the feeling of being good at traditional art, swapping to digital, and being so shit u give up is so real 😅 it took me a year to come back to digital art bc i was sooo frustrated it looked so ass compared to my traditional pieces ;-;
@@katliente same! I thought I had somehow lied to myself all that time about being "good". Took me ages to realize that swapping to digital art is a lot of practice. Especially if you aren't using a screen tablet immediately (which this person wasn't in the video they showed). There's no way you get that good at art with *that* type of tablet ina month :')
@@sumsumiii It's definitely A.I. I make A.I art, I can tell... As a non-digital arti maker, I was almost fooled and made to second guess when the person brought out her timelapse. (I knew it was a.i. my brain told me it was... but then the timelapse was discordant) having kat debunk the latter half confirmed my gutt instinct though and helped me ensure that I wasn't delusional about pinning it as A.I. what the artist did was probably use ControNet on the Ganyu pic to create a blank image of a girl in a black bikini, then made it bald, but forgot to fix the A.I. mistakes, and was hence caught. I don't think the bald girl image was 100% A.I. prompt though... but it's a smart grift. had the a.i artist been more diligent and less lazy, than a regular digital artist (cause she'd have to go over her final image with a fine tooth comb and fight her instincts to shrug her shoulders and instead do major reworks of the image, making the A.I. rendering nigh useless) she'd have gotten away with it. I personally think A.I. art is not good quality yet, (unless you're very talented at crafting prompts and post editing) than human art, so they should be labelled and kept separate. Ai. art training on Ai art will just lead to wosre models and not improve anything for the AI art models.
It’s not the mistake itself. It’s how the mistake is made like she said if the art style was giving beginner artist these mistakes wouldn’t be that weird but how can you fully render and shade a body with hundreds of colors but you can’t make a simple ribbon that literal kids can make easily AI has difficulties with small or more intricate details that for us are very easy like a ribbon or an ear or some toes
34:18 the thing is, if she is originally a traditional artist, she would probably draw in the shading areas in the sketch. (I know I do (occasionally) atleast when I try traditional lol) although, everything else points towards AI, I’m not defending her lol
Or just, you know, show anything else from her portfolio instead of the "image in question." It's like someone who faked a speedrun trying to pass an emulator replay as their gameplay, but they have zero attempts streamed on Twitch and no one has ever seen them play live.
What frustrates me is that most of these AI "artists" think this is what art is... a 'scam'. I personally think one or two bad experiences with an artist is no reason to do this kind of stuff. And most of it is preying on people's preferences (if you get what I mean), which is even more disgusting. I have saved up my own money to get art. If you think its a scam its cause its your own lack of being able to save the money for it and gambling it away, or something.
Also, you don't NEED art to be happy. I used to think like this, and I am on medication for anxiety and depression, doing much better. Using it as an outlet is understandable, but thinking that having it is going to fix the underlying issue is the wrong way to go about it.
I use AI art and I while I have seen people say stuff like this, I think the most common take is that people who are 100% against AI are a bit gatekeeping. (Not talking about selling AI art and claiming it as real art that's just wrong). For example if I need a background for my stream and I want to have, let's say a fantasy observatory, but I'm broke. Then I can't commission an artist for it anyways, so I might as well use AI, as long as I switch when I can afford to commission from a real artist. Or if I have an idea for a DND character, but can't afford to commission then I can use AI to have a picture of my character. Personally I mostly use AI for inspiration for 3D characters when I sort of know what I want to do, but want to play around with some elements before committing to the final concept. So I still make the actual art myself. Idk I don't think AI art or people who use it is inherently bad or good, I just think it's a good way for people who can't afford art to still get some of the benefits, or help with brainstorming (like a character creator game). As long as you pay for art when you can and don't try to pass it off as something you drew, or sell it to someone else. I don't think "saving up" always works for everyone either, as some people need all their money for other things. As long as it's just for private use or temporary use, then what's the problem. It's not like there's an artist who is loosing out on a customer as these people would have never been customers anyways. Tldr: AI is only bad if you use it instead of an artist where you normally would have or if you're not clear with it being AI. If it's personal use and you're too broke for an artist and only have idk an AI background for a stream temporarily then it doesn't really cause anyone to loose out on anything.
+10 years ago boomer artist said "Digital Art is not real art, and you’re a fool for thinking" because being an artist was not cheap and they believe that they were special giften human beings that went to an art school for 5 years. I mean, Art is how people show feelings, tell stories and give you an emotion. Putting aside the topic about how AI Models were created, is fool to think that is not a tool that could lead you to improve your art skills as hobbie. I mean if you can spot those errors in AI Generated Images, you will develop a good eye for anathomy and details. In my opinion people using Full AI generated images and selling them as art are scammers. Using AI generated images for references and improve them with your own style is not bad at all because in the end you put an effort to do it. Criticizing people for not having "full art skills" and thinking that a bad stroke or a photobashing element is AI... tell you much about you and your elitism.
@@maxnami Ai generated stuff will not lead you to improve your art skills or your eye for anatomy or details as you put it, same as using 3d won't help you understand how perspective works magically without practising it and the same way photobashing won't give you the ability to draw details. They're all crutches, not in a judgemental at all way, I love these tools. This isn't even an unpopular opinion, the professionals in the concept and illustration world that I follow all will tell you to do things manually at first, practise the fundamentals without crutches, paint the details by hand etc. They'll even encourage you to do it traditionally first because that's even better for training your brain, mixing the colours manually for understanding values and colour relativity will never not be important to build a foundation. I don't disagree that ai can be a very useful tool, I use it all the time as well, but I know it's a crutch and I'm very picky with where and when I use it. It's completely fine imo for personal use, since hobbyists wouldn't really care about developing skills to the highest degree necessarily but let's not kid ourselves that this actually trains our skills in any way. Seeing mistakes is absolutely not the same as knowing how to do better, and that's precisely what drives artists mad, when they can see what's wrong but not know how to fix it because their skills are lacking. The solution is going back to fundamentals, again and again, because every time you think you know something, you realise there's even more behind it. That applies in every field, this isn't art elitism.
@@_BubblGum_ it sucks people are losing their jobs but that’s because companies prioritize profits not people. Companies with no values will do that.. ai art isn’t the problem
as an artist it pains me so much when people "abuse" power like this... especially when they literally scam people plus being an artist themselves.. i hate ai art so much and i feel like ym whole art carrier and time spent learning all these years will go down the drain...
Listening to this while drawing, found it hysterical that I was doodling a lone torso when you said '1 person who draws torso before head'. I guess that person's me now!
I used to start with the head and now I Always start with the ribcage/torso. I personally find it better with posing since I felt I got too restricted starting with the head. Both are valid :>
I've had someone accuse me of tracing AI art (I understand why, I did study some AI art references to get better at rendering and to help me draw non-organic objects, because I sucked at making believable shoes, for exemple). The thing is they made a whole ass thread on their accound that had 10x the amount of follows I do, on my ass without coming in my DM first so I could just send them a timelapse and they'd leave me alone. Thankfully they took it down after because it was proven I didn't use AI in the end and THANK GOD I happen to be in the french Vtubing community, which is pretty small and niche so we all know each other so a lot of people know I stream my drawings on discord sometimes and jumped in to defend me, but I'm so scared I would get accused of this again, 'cause I'm just a small artist and it's quite challenging already, I don't need drama :(
Glad to hear you were able to sort it out. People are full of paranoia against AI to the point they will think something is AI just because it just might have similar patterns and immediately take out the torches and pitchforks, no questions asked. That is why keeping stuff like timelapses to give proof that it is not AI is important in this turbulent times more than ever.
@@ShardOfUnknown yeah! I've had some pretty successfull tweets lately and as much as I am happy about it, because of what happened, I'm scared people will try to bring drama onto me again, so I'm actively posting timelapses now so that people can't attack me for no reason xD
what's crazy is they didn't do ANY research before accusing you because if you said that you stream yourself drawing then finding if you're a real artist is one of the easiest thing ever??? If they just looked at your profile five second to find your other socials (which anyone trying to research anything about someone would do) checked them out to find proof & immediately in less than five minutes they could've found that you actually draw your stuff. Honestly it's disheartening how people either start accusing real artists of using ai with no proof (none of their drawing have the ai tells) or defend with their blood ai images generators who very clearly draw with ai (it looks terrible as soon as you spend more than fives seconds looking at the image)
thats so terrible!! the people that defended u were great, but the people accusing you could take like one second to look at your profile and see you stream your drawings.. people REALLY wanna hate on anyone 😭
I've been watching your Vtuber drama news videos and they are pretty informed, and entertaining. I am not an artist, so thank you for pointing out things and explaining all the inconsistency.
I work as a tattooer and I've been seeing a rise of tattooers using ai to permanently mess up people's bodies. They post the tat as if they drew it, but the tat has issues in construction that people just don't make. Ai makes different sorts of mistakes than beginners do. And even when it's a common mistake it makes the same mistake in the strangest possible way.
@@flopcartman it's common now. I hate it and even though many of the old school people and the people like me who went through a traditional apprenticeship will never use ai, most of the younger tiktok/ new artists are fine ripping off other tattooers, and frequently use ai.
@@ShardOfUnknown their argument would probably be some human artist actually traced over the ai art so now it’s human art but lolol that’ll be an interesting fight in the courts
@@nokiikun because it's morally bad or something like that bro idk🫤. AI literally learn from the drawings of other artists. in addition, people who present AI “art” as their absolutely original works overshadow those artists who draw at approximately the same level THEMSELVES, applying an incredible amount of time and experience to their work. you either don’t use AI at all or tell people about it directly and immediately
As a beginner artist. This can easily fool me since I am still practicing anatomy, and I do use pose references from Pinterest. I think that ai art would be a professional skill. This video also helped me with small tips for sketch posing.
I get they're playing devil's advocate for me which I appreciate! But omg it's so frustrating seeing so many ppl defend this artist in the line of "oh I also do this one thing when I draw that you accused them of doing so theyre not using AI"...like we're gonna ignore the fact that frieren out here is literally melting LOL
@@katlienteso true! I mean maybe pointing out this mistakes(which isn't wrong) could lead other clueless people to assume an artist's drawing is AI so that's why they say it like that. Buttt we've already seen so many mistakes that artists wont do in the fieren drawing! I am sure even beginner artists would think the drawing looks weird. I mean look at the eyes of fieren. It just looks off
Paying someone else to type the prompts or use a reference image reminds me when people used to charge commissions to create people's characters in a flash dress up game. Or charging to just recolor screenshots.
I understand the beginner artist in the replies, trying to be considerate or feeling personally attacked by stating "but this is how I draw!! or my art is inconsistent etc etc." however there are multiple factors to consider when looking for ai. One being an artist who does the same type of rendering shown in the video are not gonna draw and render a completely different ear side by side on the same piece, its a weird inconsistency for the skill level the art is trying to portray. also while an artist can be going through a style shift it is HIGHLY suspicious for the posted art back to back to have a completely different way of coloring, and styling where its a DRASTIC shift over such a short period. (just look at the artist old art post and youll see how uncanny it is) do I do think this person has some skill in art? yes, but do I also think they are using whatever skills they have to cover up AI usage in some sort of way? absolutely
I have to say, as a traditional and digital artist who started with traditional, i never had to relerm how to draw. At all. It just came naturally to me, and i could instantly do better art digitally because it was just easier for me.
Well, for these little strands of hair, 13:29, some artist draw them (myself included) as if they are little baby hairs in the back of the head, because when you put your hair up, you will get them, so it’s not really uncommon to see that. Especially in some Anime’s, when a character (example, Sawako from Kimi ni todoke, she put her hair in a bun, and some little strands at the back of her head appeared) puts their hair up, they will sometimes appear
Honestly I love the way you provide a new perspective on identifying ai art. I learn so much from each of your videos like this and it’s a huge asset to artists, like when you pointed out the tangents on the Pokemon ai stuff, i never thought of that even a though when I draw I’m constantly aware of tangents and avoiding them. Huge respect, thank you for what you do! It’s also fun to put on your videos while I draw pfft.
The problem with how people explain this stuff is that to an artist who has trained there eyes, it's obvious. But to people without that experience they can't see the whole picture. It's not JUST the ears, eyes, hands, perspective, lighting, color, style, composition, clouds, posing etc. It's the combination of inexplicable decisions. The puzzle as a whole, if you will, is wrong.
11:37 I really appreciate you highlighting this. One of the most valuable lessons that I learned while I was a tattoo apprentice was that there will be times when using photo references that you’ll need to shift or adjust things so they read better within the art piece. It’s really easy to take a picture where some fingers are hidden / body parts are at a certain angle and it doesn’t look weird, but as soon as that’s translated directly into an art piece it just looks completely wrong. Readability has to take precedence.
As a traditional artist who can draw on a level that got me accepted into art school: I friggin' SUCK at digital art. It really is a completely new medium and you have to start learning almost all over again Of course you retain some knowledge like anatomy, composition and colour theory BUT making that look good in digital is a whole other beast that I haven't mastered yet. Especially rendering in digital is difficult when you come from a traditional background, because the tools you use behave so differently. To be fair, I still concentrate mainly on traditional, so I could learn faster if I put the work in and drew more digitally, but even then it would probably take me a year at least to get to the level I'm at with traditional, not two weeks xD
Good video I just have one critique when you mentioned nobody would paint the shadow and leave the area where the bounce light is added later slim color. At least in traditional art using acrylic paints you might do do it because the darker shadow tone would interact with the highlight layer above and would yield s different result
Thank you!! I hear so much people saying that drawing digitally is easier, yes, it’s easier in some aspects, but we still have to relearn how to draw and it takes time 😭
Theres actually a feature on procreate where you can add in a hidden photo and trace it, while when you start the speedpaint theres nothing, and also, the grey haired drawing, the bow under her bikini was uncolored and fully white, meanwhile the bikini itself has shading.
I laughed so much around the 35ish minute when talking about shading the sketch, because I do that even with color (using airbrush) but only because I KNOW I'm not gonna render the sketch and will end there, kinda like a quick draw. Like, if I'm planning to go all the way with the drawing, yeah- I'm not wasting time on shading the sketch to then put flat color over and shade it all over again. P.D: I've been watching your videos lately, like-- many of them. I'm loving them, keep the good work!
33:25 HI. I'M VERY FEW. I'm not defending this person since doing AI art (if we could even call it art) is wrong BUT I SKETCH MY HIGHLIGHTS CAUSE I'M DUMB AND DUNNO WHERE THEY SHOULD BE ONCE I DO A BODY 😭
i was actually just abt to leave a comment that i also sketch in where highlights/shadows go lol i do all my colours/shading on one layer so having an idea of where they actually go in the sketch to refer back to later is so helpful
Help, im a young artist, i (i think at least-) dont draw thaaatt good- but i do digital art a little, and jeez... i can see those errors, how are people defending this?... im- confused, but yeah, what the hell- (those mistakes maybe would be something i'd do, but its because i dont know that much about anatomy, rendering and etc. BUT- i think they would be more even and other things--)
yes!! i had a part of my stream where I was saying that but I couldnt find it when I was editing anymore 😢 but I hate how AI artists like this affect newer and young artists. I’ve heard a lot of fear from newer artists for being afraid for being falsely claimed to use AI due to mistakes like the ones I pointed out in the video and stuff! But when new artists make anatomy mistakes (and I to this day still do make anatomy mistakes bc its hard LOL) typically theres more consistency with the mistakes. Like all pieces would have a similar error, etc The problem with this person is that between pieces, the mistakes vary so greatly, so it doesnt just look like someone who doesn’t really know how to draw legs for instance, but someone who’s using AI xD
Honestly, I like how to spot AI mistakes to prevent people buying art that isn't their in the first place. Though one thing that I have to call out is, that not every artist that draws stuff went to art school. I draw digitally for 12+ years now, and I have never visited an art seminar or an art school. My shading is all over the place for the trained eye, but looks pretty for the casual viewer, or stuff like missalined thumbs or thicker hands on surfaces being "a mistake NO artist would make" it very inappropriate and untrue. I make this mistake every so often and so do alot of artists. Please do not judge others based on yourself :/
Was gonna say something like that too, the blob shading/ highlights could also just be an art-style. Some anime characters even have blob shaded hair, and while it doesn't look exactly like that, the blobs themselves aren't the weird part. Same with the water, sure it is just random lines, but that could come from the artist not knowing how to draw water as well. But when all of these things add up then yeah, it's AI Also RIP to the proof where the shading was on the base layer, that's such an oof if anything goes slightly wrong
Cool. She addressed that. There's too many situations where it's extremely rare someone would do these things, and it makes no sense all of them would be the case for the artist. She went 8 mile and predicted that complaint about not judging people by pointing out that these don't make sense. Also the idea that not everyone goes to school clearly does not apply here. The person claimed they went to art school. And the issues went far further than thick thumbs and shading that doesn't make sense. It just feels like you picked one tiny little thing to nitpick without bothering to listen to her explanations over all the elements that don't make sense, like changing the color wheel so drastically all over the pieces.
this!! thank you! as someone who is practicing digital art, I'm constantly trying different techniques on everything, my ears change shapes all the time hahaha and let's not talk about hair because oof lol.
@@HyattHyatt3179the issue wasnt the blob shading itself, it was in the context of how half the art is rendered in a very anime style, but then coincidentally all the “unique” elements are cell shaded, and then theres random blobs. The twitch vod where I talked about this was 2.5 hours long so I had to remove so much other stuff I said sadly 😅
@@katliente I see. That makes a bit more sense, since some anime has "clunky" shading. I really liked the in depth look at the situation though, so I think I'm gonna go watch the twitch vod
Just want to add that in the beginning all those thing an actual artist can do, you know, not all artists think of light source THIS deeply and it can often be illogical just because they think this looks better. I draw for 7 years and while I do think of the light source I also don't think of it that deeply and just color stuff in a way that feels good. Drawing things that end abruptly when something is in front of them is also something artists can do, you can just forget or be too tired to see it. I once drew a tea bag in the cup and the 'tea' part was actually outside the cup and the paper thing of the tea bag was in the cup. I fully rendered that too and didn't notice. Also rendering some parts of the drawing and not others is very common, not rendering feet is very common too, I also do that when I don't want to draw attention to them. I'm not saying that to defend that guy, I'm just saying it since we already had cases when people accused others of AI just because they weren't perfect at drawing and made some mistakes. Actual artists are humans after all and they make mistakes, a lot.
that is such a stupid argument sorry...you know what you are doing because you did it so many times..it will always looks more logical as this a.i. shit...be more confident in your skills ...and don´t feed this assholes that think they can do "art" with prompts
I agree with you so much since the part about the bows and the baby hairs + water droplets on the Fri art bothered me because I draw things like that, it’s stylization to draw water dripping of the arms like that or to add baby hairs, it’s personal choice and not everybody draws like her…
THIS! I was so disappointed by the UNNECESSARY criticism of the simpler render style that a HUMAN can do as well. I agree more with the INCONSISTENCIES of AI. I'm a fulltime artist but even I found the nitpicking hurtful
i do agree some can literally be human errors that real artists do as well. while i get that all of her points combined = AI, a few of the mistakes mentioned =/= ai. the ribbon and hair getting cut off, sometimes we make those mistakes too, and its scary to think a little human error could make people assume you stole from or traced AI when its entirely your own art. people will start nitpicking over every little thing expecting perfection from human artists just because ai makes similar mistakes (it does borrow from artists of all levels, hence this issue) but while i get the idea of calling scammers out, i think some real artists will get caught up in this along the way due to misinformed non-artists trying to find similar clues too and potentially hurting the progress of amateurs.
1000000%, i watched a few of her other videos, and was gonna sub but after watching this, I changed my mind. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing how problematic what she is doing is. SO many things she nitpicked about the art are things I see all of my moots do, and i know they are all legit artists, I've known them since before AI art came up and she's making it way to fucking deep. Even going as for to draw the bones in the hand, like who tf does that? I have seen many professional artists how have wonky styles like that Chinese girl that gets cancelled alot on twt (Qiandiyu something like that, she draw nsfw HSR and Genshin girls). Often times we get lazy, or burnout and leave parts that no one is gonna look at unrendered (....assuming there aren't any big streamers that are gonna take our art and nitpick it to oblivion.) Its so unfair to artists, even advanced artist because we really dont draw that deep, and we often time stylize and take liberties with lighting and shadow because....its art? Like i add bounce lighting in places I know it wouldnt be cuz i like it, and my community likes it. But i guess im a AI artist now because Katilinete said so.
All the comments talking about how not everyone is trained in art school, that does not apply here. She shows the tweet of them saying they went to school. This artist is traditionally trained. Like the meme says, stop it. Theres also some really weird nitpicks where youre picking out a small thing she says when she's pointing out that its not just the individual things, its all of them occurring at once. And the most damning one is the color wheel. I don't care if you go to school or are self taught. Nobody switches the color wheel around that much. It's unnecesary work.
ahhh thank u 😅 i expected these comments, which is why on stream (and in the video) I kept iterating that the issue is everything TOGETHER, and not a one-off mistake 😅
@@katlienteI think some of the explanations were clearer in the stream but sometimes even cutting out the smallest amount of context can change the perception of your statements and cause them to feel less accurate. I think more people should look at your stream for clarification lol
I do agree with you on all of that, BUT anime art does include baby hair XD I think its a weird statement to say that anime style doesn't has it. I always include these short hairs on the bottom of the head for example. So that for me is no give away for AI art. Everthing else, yeah pretty obvious. I also saw that raffle on my timeline (due to a lot of my vtuber friends joining it), and didn't even pay a lot of attention. I remember the only thing I wondered was why the quality, especially for the skin shading, was so different in these illustrations.
I think i also saw a tweet from them that they swapped to an Ipad and Procreate and showed a speedpaint, which has a feature where you can hide an image so when you watch the speed paint back you wont see the image they hid, which means they could of easily traced AI art
The biggest problem with the Frieren one is that a lot of the things in it are stylistic choices that don’t match the actual style, like the skin “melting”, using circles for water drops, the baby hairs, etc. I’ve seen all of these in anime style art but never together and usually in very different styles, so someone could see it and assume it’s not suspicious because they’ve seen it before or it could make someone suspicious of someone who uses one of them because they think it’s always only used in AI
Going from traditional art to digital art was such a HUUUUUGE adjustment. I still am learning to this today and I have been doing it for about 4 years now.
I went from traditional to digital art, took years to get back to the same quality i had before, and now ive done digital for 6 ish years so i am totally unable to hold a normal pencil anymore and the best i can manage on proper paper is a crude stickman
15:18 That's what I feel like a lot of people don't get. Of course, people can make mistakes, but the art looks way too rendered to have so many weird mistakes. It just doesn't add up, an artist with that amount of skill wouldn't consistently make beginner mistakes in their art.
33:04 I do this💀 Also for the anotomy part, sometimes (like me) I add things like circles and guidelines in random parts of my drawing just to make the sketch look cool😭🙏🏿 I also don’t get why you keep saying “No one does this!”, when every artist draws differently, I add the shade sketches, I add the shade, alr compensating for the bounce light(it’s also important to note that I’m still a beginner artist and I also traditional art + manga type black and white traditional art). On top of that, the frerin art, looking at the sweat drops or wet drops, you can (not so clearly) see it’s a water droplet. If you look closely you’ll see a long white light streak, indicating that it’s a water droplet. Water is also clear, so it’s probably the reflection of the skin and they maybe messed up. You’re saying that beginner artists wouldn’t be this good at rendering, but you’re forgetting they’re a beginner digital artist. So things that show rendering DIFFERENCES OR MISTAKES, is apart of their learning experience and differences.
Yeah I draw the shadows too and I've been working as an artist for 4/5 years now, a lot of people do that, usually I add it for reference once I start rendering or just so clients have a rough idea of what it would look like. Also those lines on the stomach indicate where the abs are, I do it all the time, mind you I still think this is AI but the sketch is very much credible and looks like something an actual artist would do
"hey guys im so stressed and nervous about the accusations, hopefully we can all forget about this and move on boohoo" NO stop acting like a victim, honestly I have zero compassion for AI scam artists and don't care if I appear like villain. I've had enough. Loved this video and more people should call out these "artists".
33:11 - If its a VERY wet and/or sweaty object sometimes I circle in the 'shine' areas. Really its just more to visualize the aesthetic. These lines never make it to the "final line work" stage, and aren't used to color in anything.. its just something that helps show where things are going, on the initial sketch/doodle. However, circling in the shadow areas makes absolutely no sense.
The switching programs to prove yourself is soo absurd to me, cuz even if you take away the fact procreate has a hide feature, using a new art program either takes time to get used to. Even if they can and do use multiple programs procreate is obviously not thier most comfortable or favourite one considering they drew the original in CSP. Its soo strage
I'm really confused because in their instagram, it's in all Polish and considering they're in university for art I don't think they would have the time to be doing these AI art shenanigans? considering how demanding art school is (speaking from my friends' experiences since I start in fall) I hope this person isn't stealing somebody else's tag and posing as them on a different platform but it's still bad either way😞
Also, you showed your work by doing random stuff to the answer until it looked like the question. But can't explain what theorems allow you to arbitrarily square half of the factors.
6:38 is supposed to be Sigewinne from Genshin Impact, and you can see several things the AI got wrong with her design. Her ears are rounder and wider at the top, and her apron has more details. It seems to be AI with touchups.
While I 100% these images are AI, a lot of the "mistakes" you're talking about could very easily be applied to my own art. lol I'm not a beginner, I've been drawing for over 20 years, but I will admit that art is just a hobby for me, I'm not trained (for personal reasons, I hate school and my impression of art teachers in general is not positive). But because art is my hobby and basically the sole reason I'm sane at this point, I stopped caring about what was "right" or "wrong" a loooooooong time ago. I draw for fun, and dumb little mistakes don't deduct anything from the finished picture for me, probably because I hate perfection; I love the piece more for the little flaws it has. I remember many years back, I was trying to get a piece accepted to a website, but it kept getting declined, basically because the moderators felt the anatomy on a fictional creature wasn't up to their standards. I ended up changing the way I drew things to feel more accepted, but looking back now, that wasn't right, and it's not the kind of art I want to reflect in my own work. I've ended up reverting to some of those old anatomy quirks I had, because they FEEL right to me, and I just don't care if someone else doesn't like it. I draw to make me happy, first. Also, I am totally that artist that would draw two different looking ears on the same character, or draw hair that makes no logical sense. XD;
21:40 is such a huge point!! I had a ton of peers in art school who were extremely talented with traditional art but when they tried digital art they looked like a beginner, you really do have to relearn how to draw. There's no way this artist was able to pick up digital art and render at this level in just one month even if they did art before.
I'm kinda hurt at 33:20 lol, I have always drawn my shadows and highlights like that!! Haha, so used to drawing on paper in high school that I even carried that habit out to this day. EDIT: I also draw 1 eye then proceed to another place because for the life of me I can't make them consistent lol
i have a friend whos amazing w digital art, i even watched her draw my oc after she walked me through how she draws. and also me, ive traditionally drawn off and on for years so im okayish but now that ive gotten into digital drawing, i love it but its difficult to wrap my head around and ive been doing it for a few months now so theres NO WAY this person got this good in one month.
Hello! Artist here! Yeah there are still people who would support them by saying "oh don't listen to the haters" Like, we don't hate the person for making art. Good for them! I hope they improve!! 🎉 We hate the fact that they're lying and covering the fact that they use AIand think we, who are experienced artists with years of art skill, are dumb to not realize and won't criticise about it. The majority of those supporters are those who don't draw or are just those who aren't able to differentiate art and generated AI images. But props to people who don't draw traditional or digital and are still able to spot AI 'artifacts' on certain generated images! Kudos to you for doing your research.
@@goddessofchaos2679 Then explain the traced artwork of the girl holding the ball. Please do enlighten me :) If they are legit, they would do a livestream to show their authenticity. That's how most artists prove their innocence.
It took me so many years to actually understand how to use digital brushes even though I went to a tradional art program my entire childhood (my gma is an art teacher at a dedicated art school) 💀 It is soooo different!
As someone who did traditional art on and off and switched to digital I can say it is a learning curve. I still do digital art and still have drawings that look odd. I do have to say about the shading comment that I have done this once before. And for me I do art as the face first then head then free hand the rest of the drawing. I have physical copies of my art. I have used other art to learn but never considered to use that same art as a means to many money.
31:46 In procreate, you can only have a timelasp if you do it in procreate with the setting on. I learned that the hard way; I accidentally clicked off the timelasp and lost parts of my fotage
I'm a realism artist and just started digital art, my art looks like I'm 5! mind u i have A CRAZZY SCOLORSHIP TO A GOOD ART SCHOOL. THERE IS NO WAY that there are this good so quick, i refuse to believe it lol
I think the one thing i'm also seeing with like the whole project in both Procreate and CSP is under 100 layers, which for something of that sort of quality is definitely going to have like, 70-100 layers of different parts being drawn.
26:22 the way is CLEARLY traced 😭😭 no professional would draw the sketch so.. unprofessionally? if yk what i mean, it just looks so poorly traced ( especially the right arm, it looks like a noodle ) the neck also is going in a very weird direction
As a traditional turned digital artist, I had won contests in school for my pastel and charcoal pieces. My Digital art is still pretty jank and I have struggled so hard to get it to be somewhat decent. And it's not because I don't understand color or how to draw. Digital art genuinely feels alien and is less intuitive, Combatting sensitivity inputs and screen resolution on top of the limitations of programs is crazy. It's a harder learning curve, and definitely a struggle to relearn your process and Im still relearning things.
heres my thing. they didnt flip the canvas during the "timelapse" like didnt even try to RED FLAG and if you dont understand why im confused is because when you flip the canvas you see your art at a new perspective and can also see mistakes you made she didnt do that but if you dont as a digital artist thats fine to just weird.
As someone who has restarted multiple art pieces before, it's not going to be exactly the same- unless you trace it. even if you start with the same sketch things will end up being slightly different, weather it's the eye and mouth shape, how curved a line is ect, It's not going to be almost copy and paste
the way ganyu and frieren was said took me back so hard LMAOO also im not doubting the use of ai art but i think some of the reasoning in like the swimsuit pieces can also be excused as just bad artwork. but in the other ones its inexcusable.
I can confirm with the statement at 22:01 I was pretty good at traditional art and the making of characters traditionally. But I jumped from that to digital and it was an entire new world. They are not the same, in my opinion. Yes, you do still draw and etc, but the feel is completely different. I still do traditional art and designing with my characters but I prefer digital. Because at this point, I’ve progressed more in digital art and my skills is just better than with my traditional art. But then again there’s things I can master and get how I want in traditional pieces verses digital. For eg: I can draw flowers amazingly in traditional art, but I suck ass at drawing flowers in traditional I can make actual terrains and mountains and stuff like that in traditional than in digital. But the main idea is just… a month aint enough for you to learn allat. I can understand six months, because that’s how quick I progressed after getting back into it. But even then, I already had some experience! Sorry if my rambling made no sense. It’s like this adhd tendency of mine to go off track. Lmfaooao- you never wanna listen to me rambling to game lore, I go off track very often HAHAH-
People are saying that she's only cutting corners, and that's why there are some mistakes. Well yes. She was cutting corners by letting an AI do the job that others paid her to do. They would've been better off just paying an AI to do the work. ....which is a very sad thing to say as I'm an artist myself. XD;;
On top of hands and consistently inconsistent line work and weird 'mistakes' in AI generate images, another uncomfortable tell I've noticed is that water drops, sweat whatever always look like something else. Namely, I think a lot of the AI samples hentai and so any fluids end up looking slimy and sticky and a lot like the "fluids" on NSFW art.
Everyone knows references were scant before the rise of automated generation! Why, there were no stock image sites, no googles of photographs, no nothing! All praise Sam Altman! /s
I admit, all the critiquing and closely analyzing of the small mistakes an AI could make, got me furrowing my brows a bit too hard. Not because I don't believe they used AI on their work, I 100% agree with Katliente's points and evidences. But damn does she make me feel like I'm the one getting critiqued by an art elitist about little nitpicks they saw on my artwork (sorry if I sound harsh, and I don't mean to call you an elitist, but that's just how I imagined it). Like even tho I make art for years and years, I would still make those little mistakes. Like the ears and feet because I really disliked drawing them. (Also that comment about choosing random colours irked me because that's literally how I do it, wtf is colour theory 😂) But I get it, it makes absolutely no sense for their progress and artsyle to change so drastically when you're trying out digital for the first time. I've been in that transition from traditional to digital myself and it took years to get to where I'm at today.
I agree. I was on the same page about some of the points made throughout the video, but it all ended up feeling so nit picky on some parts. Even skilled artists still make little mistakes, like there were so many little things she pointed out that I myself still do and notice in my art. It gave me a kind of bad feeling about the video when she talked about it like this.
I too am a traditional artist turned digital, and it took me years to learn how to use the medium to my advantage. It really does feel like learning how to draw all over again (and *boy* did I take a blow to my self esteem while I was learning). Having said that, I still cannot properly sketch digitally. I need that feedback response of pencil and paper to get my lines to do what I want since that's how I learned. These "time-lapse" fake outs give me pause for fear. It scares me to think that I might need to prove that I don't use AI via time-lapse, but since the beginning portion of the lapse will almost always have a ready sketch, I worry I won't be believed. I suppose the best solution is to take a time-lapse video of my traditional drawing process too, but it's just not practical to do that for every situation or sketch. Sometimes I'm at work, of a cafe, or park when I'm drawing. Where and how am I supposed to set up a camera? WHY should I need to record myself every second I draw instead of living in that moment of art? Apologies for the rant, I'm just tired and worried. Gen Ai is really pissing me off recently.
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not to mention how ANY artist will NEVER do the sketch right the first time, there's always the head too big, arms too short, rotating the whole picture or parts of it, she drew perfectly since the start
this, this, this! Thumbnailing, sketch iterations, where's the struggle?!
Anatomy, my biggest enemy. I hate how often that happens, I usually redraw the whole thing about 3-4 times before I get things right (when drawing digital)(partly because I try to draw right from the beginning instead of doing the damn sketches, why am I like this?)
thats so true too!! the PERFECT first sketch is a one in a million occurrence xD
I know this struggle all too well 😢 sometimes a sketch can take me up to 2 HOURS
There are some crazy people out there who do it perfectly and without guide lines, but very rare lol it baffles me when I watch them. The channel "drawsoeasyAnime" has some examples ;w; Charcoal artists scare me the most lol
Honestly I hate ai art and would hate for my art to be stolen by it, I mean my art is really bad but at least I put effort into it
Hand drawn art will always be more valuable than ai
It's also why artists are leaving Instagram or Adobe, can't remember which, since they make you have to give your permission for your art to be used for AI to "learn"
@@ChaoticNalilitoMCit’s both, though you’re thinking of adobe specifically, people are leaving insta because it’s doing the ai training thing where you have to opt out of and some places you can’t opt out anyways
bad art made by a human will always be better and have more value than an image generated by a computer!!!!
making bad art is great! it has value and brings joy! ai images do not. at least to me and most artsy people i know.
all effort drawn art is beutiful :D
I have to say i had a classmate who was good at drawing more traditional stuff and was always saying "Nah drawing anime is easy, you don't need to learn if you already know how to draw"
Then we saw him miserably fail while trying to draw a basic anime character.
omg drawing anime characters is a whole beast to tackle! thats funny they got humbled 😂
😂 @@katliente
This, but myself.
I was humbled like shit for this. And the result? It takes me 3 WHOLE YEARS to at least some sort of mastering the tool, still draw like a dingus though.
Style change, tools change affects different psychomotoric muscle memories and different proficiencies. I took an art course just to learn all of that back.
Traditional artists always snobbish dismiss the effort and knowledge that goes into anime. It's not just "simple cartoonish" style. It's about not only getting an effect, but doing it with as a simple a style as possible. Sometimes the way the eyes and faces are drawn look good, but are extremely difficult to get right.
Anime is also a lot more unforgiving on wobbly lines than traditional art. Slightest wobble on the eyes, and the piece is dead.
It's easier for normal stuff honestly . What takes some time getting used to is making it expressive like a manga . Went from more traditional to anime when I was learning .
Watching artists catch AI is like watching speedrunners catch cheaters.
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I know it’s so fun and I hate when they try and guilt trip ppl into silence like yes we understand that you’re a person too, but you’ve scammed people out of maybe hundreds of dollars with AI art you’re not a respectable person
Honestly, its great when people actually believe me! But TWICE now i have put together documents full of reasons why specific artists in communities are using AI and BOTH TIMES, i have been the one booted. I am literally explaining things as clearly as possible, giving genuine reasons and proof, and people will sit and be like "Uhmm.. maybe theyre just a beginner. Youre bullying beginners for this. Are you calling them bad?! Youre lying for clout" etc etc. Its so fucking annoying.
not really, this nitpicking shit is temporary and only serves to hurt artists who (ironically) aren't pixel-accurate robots.
Like minecraft
Hello! I watched the video from 28:14 to 29:12 and I will say that this person is CLEARLY tracing. Interface of Procreate is in Russian and, as a Russian speaker, I can understand what is written. So basically you paused at the right moment (on 28:26), because you can see a layer that is called "Изображение вставлено" which means "Image inserted" and it is hidden. HMMM I wonder what that means.
WAIT NO WAY
thank u so much for translating! that's crazy holy shit
There are also a couple of other hidden layers. I wonder what Qutar is hiding.
Бро, +rep, что перевела
@@wldjxjxgcyxjakdjcisldidjdh301 люблю помогать людям, не могла пройти мимо
I love how she tried to give proof only to expose herself 😭
The traditional pieces "by this person" belong to someone from Tumblr, was stolen by Pinterest and deleted. I was a mutual of the original artist 5 years ago.
even their portfolio is a lie?!!! Why do they have to go to that extent tho???
@@dayumokeh3784 I would guess that it is for money and clout 🫠
It is horrible tbf
Seriously?? That's outright crazy
That’s fucked up.
@@dayumokeh3784so they can impersonate artists to get all the benefits without having to put in any work
i've seen artists shading their sketch roughly. i do that sometimes for fun. BUT everything else in this video i agree with. this person is def using ai. actually disgusting
yeah some ppl do that! but this person does wayyyy too many things that only a few artists do to be normal 😅
I like to outline and hatch shade my sketches where i plan to put in hard edge shadows, I think this way of planning shadows is pretty normal, but with the style of shading in the video, with such a big area outlined with no hatching to indicate its a shadow, it does look suspicious.
I also did this too before, not anymore. I also agree with everything else as well
I hatch shade my sketches so I have a general idea of where the shadows should go but tbh the way she did it in the time lapse just looks weird. Like I’ve never seen an artist (including myself) who blocks out shading but doesn’t make the shading darker than the rest of the sketch. Probably helps that I typically use cell shading for coloring and don’t fully render art out.
I have done shadow maps over the sketch when drawing in ink, because I can't go back once I start hatching. Seems odd to do it if you are working digitally.
Dude I've been seeing so many tweets of Vtubers getting harassed by people whose portfolios are all AI art. It's horrifying.
I’m constantly getting follows from “graphic designer” accounts that either do that super generic looking logo stuff with strange looking live2d rigs or blatantly ai bs and I hate it
It’s bad, I’m very small and I do all my own art for my streams (when I was still doing them) and for a solid year or so I got nothing but “hey join in this raffle to get the cool starting soon screen.” Brother stop please!
@@AuxDroidi got those too, i just blocked and removed them. it's better to have a few real followers than to have a bunch of fake followers given that they don't interact with anything i post
i hate to say it but, anyone using AI generated images or tracing 3D assets and passing it off as their own work, is pretty much what i would called "a HACK."
@@dmrfunkster If you hate to say it, then don't say it. If someone is using an AI image as say a reference, I'd hardly call them a hack considering using a reference and a tool provided is PAR FOR THE COURSE in the art industry, and you would have to be fucking stupid think otherwise.
when i saw this on my feed i was already sussed out. there's SO MANY raffles where people are tracing AI it's insane
omg while i was watching this i went on ibis paint x AND SAW AN AI IMAGE ON THE LEADERBOARD, AT 4TH PLACE.. AND EVERYONE THINKS ITS REAL 😭😭😭😭😭
Uh, idk if YT deleted my comment so I'll rephrase. How do the SpeedPaints for the AI works work then? Do they turn off the feature?
@@rosl. it didnt get deleted, and it seems that they mightve traced over the image to try and make it look like they drew it themselves by using the undo method
@@rosl. there's a hide layer on speedpaint that's only available on procreate so they literally traced over the existing art yes they can draw but passing AI art as something you draw fully yourself for a commission is a scam on it's on because of the different price tag
I think its because it's that 1% of the anti AI filter that miss.
There are a lot more of AI images there, but if only one or two shown up, then the filter did a not quite enough good job.
Still, I get your point.
@6:26
Also that foot is reversed. The big toe is supposed to be inward not outward if that makes sense.
omg wait I didnt even think about that
Came to the comments hoping that someone else had noticed 😂 I was kneeling while watching the video and I looked back at my own foot and laughed
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the funniest thing in the Frieren art was how she’s suppose to be on the beach (there even are plam
Trees!) but in the back there is a whole forest with different kind of trees
maybe it's the island from Lost XD
There are things like that? We have many mixed trees forest ,but yeah no palm trees
One month is unrealistic because if your are first off changing from traditional to digital and changing from realism to anime you would not be that good💀💀💀💀
"You wouldnt draw two ears on the same head in two different ways"
I get your point but.. I have before💀
but at the same time you're missing the point. an artist who could be rendering at that level would usually be more concious about consistency. like she said, it's ok to be making those mistakes or inconsistencies, many artists likely have at some point
" I get your point but i dont get your point"
My "human" drawn ears usually look like potatoes so...
You're not the only one, ok?
@ashketchup888 I understand that bro take a joke 😭
@@iwaswrongiwillneverposther6248 "just a joke guys!"
The reason for procreate is the fact that you can HIDE LAYERS FROM A TIME LASPE😭
The thing with switching from traditional to digital is that it feels really bad as an artist. And if they were told they could make money off of their digital art, and then they started using digital art and found themselves struggling, it is logical that they would jump to "helpful" tools such as AI to speed up their "progress". It's demotivating and it's frustrating.
I have been drawing digitally for years but I'm currently feeling horrible about my own art for other reasons, and I understand the desire to "just make good art", especially if you're used to that traditionally. Literally every artists knows this feeling. But it doesn't excuse the use of AI; it's not your art anymore.
ugh omg the feeling of being good at traditional art, swapping to digital, and being so shit u give up is so real 😅 it took me a year to come back to digital art bc i was sooo frustrated it looked so ass compared to my traditional pieces ;-;
@@katliente same! I thought I had somehow lied to myself all that time about being "good". Took me ages to realize that swapping to digital art is a lot of practice. Especially if you aren't using a screen tablet immediately (which this person wasn't in the video they showed). There's no way you get that good at art with *that* type of tablet ina month :')
To be totally real with you, I don't understand what you're talking about.
Not gonna lie most of these ai art giveaways sound like mistakes I’d do in my art lmao
Yeah
@@sumsumiii It's definitely A.I. I make A.I art, I can tell...
As a non-digital arti maker, I was almost fooled and made to second guess when the person brought out her timelapse. (I knew it was a.i. my brain told me it was... but then the timelapse was discordant) having kat debunk the latter half confirmed my gutt instinct though and helped me ensure that I wasn't delusional about pinning it as A.I.
what the artist did was probably use ControNet on the Ganyu pic to create a blank image of a girl in a black bikini, then made it bald, but forgot to fix the A.I. mistakes, and was hence caught.
I don't think the bald girl image was 100% A.I. prompt though... but it's a smart grift. had the a.i artist been more diligent and less lazy, than a regular digital artist (cause she'd have to go over her final image with a fine tooth comb and fight her instincts to shrug her shoulders and instead do major reworks of the image, making the A.I. rendering nigh useless) she'd have gotten away with it.
I personally think A.I. art is not good quality yet, (unless you're very talented at crafting prompts and post editing) than human art, so they should be labelled and kept separate. Ai. art training on Ai art will just lead to wosre models and not improve anything for the AI art models.
It’s not the mistake itself. It’s how the mistake is made like she said if the art style was giving beginner artist these mistakes wouldn’t be that weird but how can you fully render and shade a body with hundreds of colors but you can’t make a simple ribbon that literal kids can make easily AI has difficulties with small or more intricate details that for us are very easy like a ribbon or an ear or some toes
SAME LIKE 💀 every single one I was like "oh shit I do that" and at the end I ended up questioning "maybe I am an ai??" 😭
@@Br1a_luvz Yes, A.I. needs to be improved further.... we're still far away from replacing Human artists.
34:18 the thing is, if she is originally a traditional artist, she would probably draw in the shading areas in the sketch. (I know I do (occasionally) atleast when I try traditional lol) although, everything else points towards AI, I’m not defending her lol
Or just, you know, show anything else from her portfolio instead of the "image in question."
It's like someone who faked a speedrun trying to pass an emulator replay as their gameplay, but they have zero attempts streamed on Twitch and no one has ever seen them play live.
The worst part is that these drawings aren’t even hers 😭
What frustrates me is that most of these AI "artists" think this is what art is... a 'scam'. I personally think one or two bad experiences with an artist is no reason to do this kind of stuff. And most of it is preying on people's preferences (if you get what I mean), which is even more disgusting. I have saved up my own money to get art. If you think its a scam its cause its your own lack of being able to save the money for it and gambling it away, or something.
Also, you don't NEED art to be happy. I used to think like this, and I am on medication for anxiety and depression, doing much better. Using it as an outlet is understandable, but thinking that having it is going to fix the underlying issue is the wrong way to go about it.
I use AI art and I while I have seen people say stuff like this, I think the most common take is that people who are 100% against AI are a bit gatekeeping. (Not talking about selling AI art and claiming it as real art that's just wrong).
For example if I need a background for my stream and I want to have, let's say a fantasy observatory, but I'm broke. Then I can't commission an artist for it anyways, so I might as well use AI, as long as I switch when I can afford to commission from a real artist.
Or if I have an idea for a DND character, but can't afford to commission then I can use AI to have a picture of my character.
Personally I mostly use AI for inspiration for 3D characters when I sort of know what I want to do, but want to play around with some elements before committing to the final concept. So I still make the actual art myself.
Idk I don't think AI art or people who use it is inherently bad or good, I just think it's a good way for people who can't afford art to still get some of the benefits, or help with brainstorming (like a character creator game). As long as you pay for art when you can and don't try to pass it off as something you drew, or sell it to someone else.
I don't think "saving up" always works for everyone either, as some people need all their money for other things. As long as it's just for private use or temporary use, then what's the problem. It's not like there's an artist who is loosing out on a customer as these people would have never been customers anyways.
Tldr: AI is only bad if you use it instead of an artist where you normally would have or if you're not clear with it being AI. If it's personal use and you're too broke for an artist and only have idk an AI background for a stream temporarily then it doesn't really cause anyone to loose out on anything.
+10 years ago boomer artist said "Digital Art is not real art, and you’re a fool for thinking" because being an artist was not cheap and they believe that they were special giften human beings that went to an art school for 5 years. I mean, Art is how people show feelings, tell stories and give you an emotion. Putting aside the topic about how AI Models were created, is fool to think that is not a tool that could lead you to improve your art skills as hobbie. I mean if you can spot those errors in AI Generated Images, you will develop a good eye for anathomy and details.
In my opinion people using Full AI generated images and selling them as art are scammers. Using AI generated images for references and improve them with your own style is not bad at all because in the end you put an effort to do it.
Criticizing people for not having "full art skills" and thinking that a bad stroke or a photobashing element is AI... tell you much about you and your elitism.
I had a bad experience with commissioning an artist once on discord, never again will I do that.
@@maxnami Ai generated stuff will not lead you to improve your art skills or your eye for anatomy or details as you put it, same as using 3d won't help you understand how perspective works magically without practising it and the same way photobashing won't give you the ability to draw details. They're all crutches, not in a judgemental at all way, I love these tools. This isn't even an unpopular opinion, the professionals in the concept and illustration world that I follow all will tell you to do things manually at first, practise the fundamentals without crutches, paint the details by hand etc. They'll even encourage you to do it traditionally first because that's even better for training your brain, mixing the colours manually for understanding values and colour relativity will never not be important to build a foundation. I don't disagree that ai can be a very useful tool, I use it all the time as well, but I know it's a crutch and I'm very picky with where and when I use it. It's completely fine imo for personal use, since hobbyists wouldn't really care about developing skills to the highest degree necessarily but let's not kid ourselves that this actually trains our skills in any way. Seeing mistakes is absolutely not the same as knowing how to do better, and that's precisely what drives artists mad, when they can see what's wrong but not know how to fix it because their skills are lacking. The solution is going back to fundamentals, again and again, because every time you think you know something, you realise there's even more behind it. That applies in every field, this isn't art elitism.
"if it's ai art...whatever..i don't care" zip my drink when she said that. 🙃
Bro is gnarpy
Nothing wrong with ai art
@@invisibl3. except when it steals people’s art
@@invisibl3.people are losing their jobs. i think thats pretty messed up, don’t you?
@@_BubblGum_ it sucks people are losing their jobs but that’s because companies prioritize profits not people. Companies with no values will do that.. ai art isn’t the problem
What a SCAAAAAMMMM OMG I feel bad for real artists...
as an artist it pains me so much when people "abuse" power like this... especially when they literally scam people plus being an artist themselves.. i hate ai art so much and i feel like ym whole art carrier and time spent learning all these years will go down the drain...
Listening to this while drawing, found it hysterical that I was doodling a lone torso when you said '1 person who draws torso before head'. I guess that person's me now!
Hey I also start with the torso, then add the head! You aren't alone!
Me too, lmao! I always start with the body, or with the eyes
I used to start with the head and now I Always start with the ribcage/torso. I personally find it better with posing since I felt I got too restricted starting with the head. Both are valid :>
I've had someone accuse me of tracing AI art (I understand why, I did study some AI art references to get better at rendering and to help me draw non-organic objects, because I sucked at making believable shoes, for exemple). The thing is they made a whole ass thread on their accound that had 10x the amount of follows I do, on my ass without coming in my DM first so I could just send them a timelapse and they'd leave me alone. Thankfully they took it down after because it was proven I didn't use AI in the end and THANK GOD I happen to be in the french Vtubing community, which is pretty small and niche so we all know each other so a lot of people know I stream my drawings on discord sometimes and jumped in to defend me, but I'm so scared I would get accused of this again, 'cause I'm just a small artist and it's quite challenging already, I don't need drama :(
Glad to hear you were able to sort it out. People are full of paranoia against AI to the point they will think something is AI just because it just might have similar patterns and immediately take out the torches and pitchforks, no questions asked. That is why keeping stuff like timelapses to give proof that it is not AI is important in this turbulent times more than ever.
@@ShardOfUnknown yeah! I've had some pretty successfull tweets lately and as much as I am happy about it, because of what happened, I'm scared people will try to bring drama onto me again, so I'm actively posting timelapses now so that people can't attack me for no reason xD
what's crazy is they didn't do ANY research before accusing you because if you said that you stream yourself drawing then finding if you're a real artist is one of the easiest thing ever??? If they just looked at your profile five second to find your other socials (which anyone trying to research anything about someone would do) checked them out to find proof & immediately in less than five minutes they could've found that you actually draw your stuff. Honestly it's disheartening how people either start accusing real artists of using ai with no proof (none of their drawing have the ai tells) or defend with their blood ai images generators who very clearly draw with ai (it looks terrible as soon as you spend more than fives seconds looking at the image)
@@vaelia1203 update on this : Someone accused me of tracing AI again (YAY), so I posted a few timelapses and I think that did calm 'em
thats so terrible!! the people that defended u were great, but the people accusing you could take like one second to look at your profile and see you stream your drawings.. people REALLY wanna hate on anyone 😭
I've been watching your Vtuber drama news videos and they are pretty informed, and entertaining. I am not an artist, so thank you for pointing out things and explaining all the inconsistency.
awwwh yw!! i tried explaining this in a way that even ppl who aren’t artists can understand! so I’m glad it worked hehe
I work as a tattooer and I've been seeing a rise of tattooers using ai to permanently mess up people's bodies. They post the tat as if they drew it, but the tat has issues in construction that people just don't make. Ai makes different sorts of mistakes than beginners do. And even when it's a common mistake it makes the same mistake in the strangest possible way.
No way, really?? These people should sue this tattooers
@@flopcartman it's common now. I hate it and even though many of the old school people and the people like me who went through a traditional apprenticeship will never use ai, most of the younger tiktok/ new artists are fine ripping off other tattooers, and frequently use ai.
technically speaking, some other artist can take these poses and sell them as your own because AI is not copyrightable
Not copyrightable yet. Just wait until a big soulless corpos like Abode to try to find a way around it. You know they will certainly try!
@@ShardOfUnknown their argument would probably be some human artist actually traced over the ai art so now it’s human art but lolol that’ll be an interesting fight in the courts
@@DelRae I do agree we can trace over ai art since the pose generated by ai is not copyrightable. If we can take advantage of ai why dont we use it?
@@nokiikun because it's morally bad or something like that bro idk🫤. AI literally learn from the drawings of other artists. in addition, people who present AI “art” as their absolutely original works overshadow those artists who draw at approximately the same level THEMSELVES, applying an incredible amount of time and experience to their work. you either don’t use AI at all or tell people about it directly and immediately
poses arent copyrightable
As a beginner artist. This can easily fool me since I am still practicing anatomy, and I do use pose references from Pinterest. I think that ai art would be a professional skill. This video also helped me with small tips for sketch posing.
dw, i'm an experimented artist and even i can be fooled bcs it does look like real art
ngl the chat pisses me off...this excuses are straight up stupid its not funny anymore...like seriously...you have eyes USE THEM!
I get they're playing devil's advocate for me which I appreciate!
But omg it's so frustrating seeing so many ppl defend this artist in the line of "oh I also do this one thing when I draw that you accused them of doing so theyre not using AI"...like we're gonna ignore the fact that frieren out here is literally melting LOL
@@katlienteso true! I mean maybe pointing out this mistakes(which isn't wrong) could lead other clueless people to assume an artist's drawing is AI so that's why they say it like that. Buttt we've already seen so many mistakes that artists wont do in the fieren drawing! I am sure even beginner artists would think the drawing looks weird. I mean look at the eyes of fieren. It just looks off
Paying someone else to type the prompts or use a reference image reminds me when people used to charge commissions to create people's characters in a flash dress up game. Or charging to just recolor screenshots.
I understand the beginner artist in the replies, trying to be considerate or feeling personally attacked by stating "but this is how I draw!! or my art is inconsistent etc etc." however there are multiple factors to consider when looking for ai. One being an artist who does the same type of rendering shown in the video are not gonna draw and render a completely different ear side by side on the same piece, its a weird inconsistency for the skill level the art is trying to portray. also while an artist can be going through a style shift it is HIGHLY suspicious for the posted art back to back to have a completely different way of coloring, and styling where its a DRASTIC shift over such a short period. (just look at the artist old art post and youll see how uncanny it is)
do I do think this person has some skill in art? yes, but do I also think they are using whatever skills they have to cover up AI usage in some sort of way? absolutely
14:01 when i noticed the the ear isn't connected to the head on the freiren piece
wait im dead i literally never noticed LOL
Another point for the "AI has the object permanence of a frog" discussion
Also picture 1 and 2 have slightly different styles. The rendering of the eyes are different and the shading so theres more proof.
I have to say, as a traditional and digital artist who started with traditional, i never had to relerm how to draw. At all. It just came naturally to me, and i could instantly do better art digitally because it was just easier for me.
Well, for these little strands of hair, 13:29, some artist draw them (myself included) as if they are little baby hairs in the back of the head, because when you put your hair up, you will get them, so it’s not really uncommon to see that. Especially in some Anime’s, when a character (example, Sawako from Kimi ni todoke, she put her hair in a bun, and some little strands at the back of her head appeared) puts their hair up, they will sometimes appear
I LOVE THAT ANIME (i also do that too btw lol)
@@s4r_m4444 I know it’s so cute 😭
Honestly I love the way you provide a new perspective on identifying ai art. I learn so much from each of your videos like this and it’s a huge asset to artists, like when you pointed out the tangents on the Pokemon ai stuff, i never thought of that even a though when I draw I’m constantly aware of tangents and avoiding them.
Huge respect, thank you for what you do! It’s also fun to put on your videos while I draw pfft.
The problem with how people explain this stuff is that to an artist who has trained there eyes, it's obvious. But to people without that experience they can't see the whole picture. It's not JUST the ears, eyes, hands, perspective, lighting, color, style, composition, clouds, posing etc. It's the combination of inexplicable decisions. The puzzle as a whole, if you will, is wrong.
11:37 I really appreciate you highlighting this. One of the most valuable lessons that I learned while I was a tattoo apprentice was that there will be times when using photo references that you’ll need to shift or adjust things so they read better within the art piece. It’s really easy to take a picture where some fingers are hidden / body parts are at a certain angle and it doesn’t look weird, but as soon as that’s translated directly into an art piece it just looks completely wrong. Readability has to take precedence.
As a traditional artist who can draw on a level that got me accepted into art school:
I friggin' SUCK at digital art. It really is a completely new medium and you have to start learning almost all over again
Of course you retain some knowledge like anatomy, composition and colour theory BUT making that look good in digital is a whole other beast that I haven't mastered yet. Especially rendering in digital is difficult when you come from a traditional background, because the tools you use behave so differently. To be fair, I still concentrate mainly on traditional, so I could learn faster if I put the work in and drew more digitally, but even then it would probably take me a year at least to get to the level I'm at with traditional, not two weeks xD
Good video I just have one critique when you mentioned nobody would paint the shadow and leave the area where the bounce light is added later slim color. At least in traditional art using acrylic paints you might do do it because the darker shadow tone would interact with the highlight layer above and would yield s different result
And imagine one artist doing intentional AI mistakes to mess around with the community
As a traditional artist who tried to get into digital, real digital artists deserve praise for all the effort they put into everything they create.
Thank you!! I hear so much people saying that drawing digitally is easier, yes, it’s easier in some aspects, but we still have to relearn how to draw and it takes time 😭
Theres actually a feature on procreate where you can add in a hidden photo and trace it, while when you start the speedpaint theres nothing, and also, the grey haired drawing, the bow under her bikini was uncolored and fully white, meanwhile the bikini itself has shading.
I laughed so much around the 35ish minute when talking about shading the sketch, because I do that even with color (using airbrush) but only because I KNOW I'm not gonna render the sketch and will end there, kinda like a quick draw. Like, if I'm planning to go all the way with the drawing, yeah- I'm not wasting time on shading the sketch to then put flat color over and shade it all over again.
P.D: I've been watching your videos lately, like-- many of them. I'm loving them, keep the good work!
33:25 HI. I'M VERY FEW. I'm not defending this person since doing AI art (if we could even call it art) is wrong BUT I SKETCH MY HIGHLIGHTS CAUSE I'M DUMB AND DUNNO WHERE THEY SHOULD BE ONCE I DO A BODY 😭
Dont worry me too
i was actually just abt to leave a comment that i also sketch in where highlights/shadows go lol
i do all my colours/shading on one layer so having an idea of where they actually go in the sketch to refer back to later is so helpful
Help, im a young artist, i (i think at least-) dont draw thaaatt good- but i do digital art a little, and jeez... i can see those errors, how are people defending this?... im- confused, but yeah, what the hell- (those mistakes maybe would be something i'd do, but its because i dont know that much about anatomy, rendering and etc. BUT- i think they would be more even and other things--)
yes!! i had a part of my stream where I was saying that but I couldnt find it when I was editing anymore 😢
but I hate how AI artists like this affect newer and young artists. I’ve heard a lot of fear from newer artists for being afraid for being falsely claimed to use AI due to mistakes like the ones I pointed out in the video and stuff!
But when new artists make anatomy mistakes (and I to this day still do make anatomy mistakes bc its hard LOL) typically theres more consistency with the mistakes. Like all pieces would have a similar error, etc
The problem with this person is that between pieces, the mistakes vary so greatly, so it doesnt just look like someone who doesn’t really know how to draw legs for instance, but someone who’s using AI xD
Honestly, I like how to spot AI mistakes to prevent people buying art that isn't their in the first place. Though one thing that I have to call out is, that not every artist that draws stuff went to art school. I draw digitally for 12+ years now, and I have never visited an art seminar or an art school. My shading is all over the place for the trained eye, but looks pretty for the casual viewer, or stuff like missalined thumbs or thicker hands on surfaces being "a mistake NO artist would make" it very inappropriate and untrue. I make this mistake every so often and so do alot of artists. Please do not judge others based on yourself :/
Was gonna say something like that too, the blob shading/ highlights could also just be an art-style. Some anime characters even have blob shaded hair, and while it doesn't look exactly like that, the blobs themselves aren't the weird part.
Same with the water, sure it is just random lines, but that could come from the artist not knowing how to draw water as well.
But when all of these things add up then yeah, it's AI
Also RIP to the proof where the shading was on the base layer, that's such an oof if anything goes slightly wrong
Cool. She addressed that. There's too many situations where it's extremely rare someone would do these things, and it makes no sense all of them would be the case for the artist. She went 8 mile and predicted that complaint about not judging people by pointing out that these don't make sense.
Also the idea that not everyone goes to school clearly does not apply here. The person claimed they went to art school. And the issues went far further than thick thumbs and shading that doesn't make sense.
It just feels like you picked one tiny little thing to nitpick without bothering to listen to her explanations over all the elements that don't make sense, like changing the color wheel so drastically all over the pieces.
this!! thank you! as someone who is practicing digital art, I'm constantly trying different techniques on everything, my ears change shapes all the time hahaha and let's not talk about hair because oof lol.
@@HyattHyatt3179the issue wasnt the blob shading itself, it was in the context of how half the art is rendered in a very anime style, but then coincidentally all the “unique” elements are cell shaded, and then theres random blobs. The twitch vod where I talked about this was 2.5 hours long so I had to remove so much other stuff I said sadly 😅
@@katliente I see. That makes a bit more sense, since some anime has "clunky" shading. I really liked the in depth look at the situation though, so I think I'm gonna go watch the twitch vod
Just want to add that in the beginning all those thing an actual artist can do, you know, not all artists think of light source THIS deeply and it can often be illogical just because they think this looks better. I draw for 7 years and while I do think of the light source I also don't think of it that deeply and just color stuff in a way that feels good. Drawing things that end abruptly when something is in front of them is also something artists can do, you can just forget or be too tired to see it. I once drew a tea bag in the cup and the 'tea' part was actually outside the cup and the paper thing of the tea bag was in the cup. I fully rendered that too and didn't notice. Also rendering some parts of the drawing and not others is very common, not rendering feet is very common too, I also do that when I don't want to draw attention to them.
I'm not saying that to defend that guy, I'm just saying it since we already had cases when people accused others of AI just because they weren't perfect at drawing and made some mistakes. Actual artists are humans after all and they make mistakes, a lot.
that is such a stupid argument sorry...you know what you are doing because you did it so many times..it will always looks more logical as this a.i. shit...be more confident in your skills ...and don´t feed this assholes that think they can do "art" with prompts
I agree with you so much since the part about the bows and the baby hairs + water droplets on the Fri art bothered me because I draw things like that, it’s stylization to draw water dripping of the arms like that or to add baby hairs, it’s personal choice and not everybody draws like her…
THIS! I was so disappointed by the UNNECESSARY criticism of the simpler render style that a HUMAN can do as well. I agree more with the INCONSISTENCIES of AI. I'm a fulltime artist but even I found the nitpicking hurtful
i do agree some can literally be human errors that real artists do as well. while i get that all of her points combined = AI, a few of the mistakes mentioned =/= ai. the ribbon and hair getting cut off, sometimes we make those mistakes too, and its scary to think a little human error could make people assume you stole from or traced AI when its entirely your own art. people will start nitpicking over every little thing expecting perfection from human artists just because ai makes similar mistakes (it does borrow from artists of all levels, hence this issue) but while i get the idea of calling scammers out, i think some real artists will get caught up in this along the way due to misinformed non-artists trying to find similar clues too and potentially hurting the progress of amateurs.
1000000%, i watched a few of her other videos, and was gonna sub but after watching this, I changed my mind. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing how problematic what she is doing is. SO many things she nitpicked about the art are things I see all of my moots do, and i know they are all legit artists, I've known them since before AI art came up and she's making it way to fucking deep. Even going as for to draw the bones in the hand, like who tf does that? I have seen many professional artists how have wonky styles like that Chinese girl that gets cancelled alot on twt (Qiandiyu something like that, she draw nsfw HSR and Genshin girls).
Often times we get lazy, or burnout and leave parts that no one is gonna look at unrendered (....assuming there aren't any big streamers that are gonna take our art and nitpick it to oblivion.) Its so unfair to artists, even advanced artist because we really dont draw that deep, and we often time stylize and take liberties with lighting and shadow because....its art? Like i add bounce lighting in places I know it wouldnt be cuz i like it, and my community likes it. But i guess im a AI artist now because Katilinete said so.
All the comments talking about how not everyone is trained in art school, that does not apply here. She shows the tweet of them saying they went to school. This artist is traditionally trained. Like the meme says, stop it. Theres also some really weird nitpicks where youre picking out a small thing she says when she's pointing out that its not just the individual things, its all of them occurring at once. And the most damning one is the color wheel. I don't care if you go to school or are self taught. Nobody switches the color wheel around that much. It's unnecesary work.
ahhh thank u 😅 i expected these comments, which is why on stream (and in the video) I kept iterating that the issue is everything TOGETHER, and not a one-off mistake 😅
@@katlienteI think some of the explanations were clearer in the stream but sometimes even cutting out the smallest amount of context can change the perception of your statements and cause them to feel less accurate. I think more people should look at your stream for clarification lol
As much as hearing people saying "you don't draw like that" triggers me, I so agree with you
Bruh if shes using clip she should put the time-lapse!!!
I do agree with you on all of that, BUT anime art does include baby hair XD I think its a weird statement to say that anime style doesn't has it. I always include these short hairs on the bottom of the head for example. So that for me is no give away for AI art. Everthing else, yeah pretty obvious.
I also saw that raffle on my timeline (due to a lot of my vtuber friends joining it), and didn't even pay a lot of attention. I remember the only thing I wondered was why the quality, especially for the skin shading, was so different in these illustrations.
I think i also saw a tweet from them that they swapped to an Ipad and Procreate and showed a speedpaint, which has a feature where you can hide an image so when you watch the speed paint back you wont see the image they hid, which means they could of easily traced AI art
that “speedpaint”/“timelapse” is FOUL
the freiren one, the dropplets that was melting was the ai trying to draw hair but mixed it with the skin. Melting parts of the art is very AI
The biggest problem with the Frieren one is that a lot of the things in it are stylistic choices that don’t match the actual style, like the skin “melting”, using circles for water drops, the baby hairs, etc. I’ve seen all of these in anime style art but never together and usually in very different styles, so someone could see it and assume it’s not suspicious because they’ve seen it before or it could make someone suspicious of someone who uses one of them because they think it’s always only used in AI
dawg i do most of these i feel attacked
Going from traditional art to digital art was such a HUUUUUGE adjustment. I still am learning to this today and I have been doing it for about 4 years now.
the person using Krita's AI plug-in, ik because I used it before
whoa krita has something like that??
@@katliente Yes even you can make a character sheet chibi model everything in Krita
I went from traditional to digital art, took years to get back to the same quality i had before,
and now ive done digital for 6 ish years so i am totally unable to hold a normal pencil anymore and the best i can manage on proper paper is a crude stickman
6:46 naw that siggewine art was nastyyyyyyy-
15:18 That's what I feel like a lot of people don't get. Of course, people can make mistakes, but the art looks way too rendered to have so many weird mistakes. It just doesn't add up, an artist with that amount of skill wouldn't consistently make beginner mistakes in their art.
9:39 also it just straight up looks as if she ripped off part of her hair instead of continuing normally 😭
I'm insecure about my art, but the constant mistakes that prove that it's ai makes me feel better about myself
33:04 I do this💀 Also for the anotomy part, sometimes (like me) I add things like circles and guidelines in random parts of my drawing just to make the sketch look cool😭🙏🏿 I also don’t get why you keep saying “No one does this!”, when every artist draws differently, I add the shade sketches, I add the shade, alr compensating for the bounce light(it’s also important to note that I’m still a beginner artist and I also traditional art + manga type black and white traditional art). On top of that, the frerin art, looking at the sweat drops or wet drops, you can (not so clearly) see it’s a water droplet. If you look closely you’ll see a long white light streak, indicating that it’s a water droplet. Water is also clear, so it’s probably the reflection of the skin and they maybe messed up. You’re saying that beginner artists wouldn’t be this good at rendering, but you’re forgetting they’re a beginner digital artist. So things that show rendering DIFFERENCES OR MISTAKES, is apart of their learning experience and differences.
Yeah I draw the shadows too and I've been working as an artist for 4/5 years now, a lot of people do that, usually I add it for reference once I start rendering or just so clients have a rough idea of what it would look like. Also those lines on the stomach indicate where the abs are, I do it all the time, mind you I still think this is AI but the sketch is very much credible and looks like something an actual artist would do
I feel called out cuz the way she sketches is how I do too :” ) I like to box out where my shadows and lights would potentially go in my sketch 😭
"hey guys im so stressed and nervous about the accusations, hopefully we can all forget about this and move on boohoo" NO stop acting like a victim, honestly I have zero compassion for AI scam artists and don't care if I appear like villain. I've had enough. Loved this video and more people should call out these "artists".
33:11 - If its a VERY wet and/or sweaty object sometimes I circle in the 'shine' areas. Really its just more to visualize the aesthetic. These lines never make it to the "final line work" stage, and aren't used to color in anything.. its just something that helps show where things are going, on the initial sketch/doodle. However, circling in the shadow areas makes absolutely no sense.
Disgusting. And they even tried to sell it
The switching programs to prove yourself is soo absurd to me, cuz even if you take away the fact procreate has a hide feature, using a new art program either takes time to get used to. Even if they can and do use multiple programs procreate is obviously not thier most comfortable or favourite one considering they drew the original in CSP. Its soo strage
I'm really confused because in their instagram, it's in all Polish and considering they're in university for art I don't think they would have the time to be doing these AI art shenanigans? considering how demanding art school is (speaking from my friends' experiences since I start in fall)
I hope this person isn't stealing somebody else's tag and posing as them on a different platform but it's still bad either way😞
I am a math teacher, but I never learned to add and multiply. 🤷♂️ This is the vibe im getting.
Also, you showed your work by doing random stuff to the answer until it looked like the question. But can't explain what theorems allow you to arbitrarily square half of the factors.
6:38 is supposed to be Sigewinne from Genshin Impact, and you can see several things the AI got wrong with her design. Her ears are rounder and wider at the top, and her apron has more details. It seems to be AI with touchups.
While I 100% these images are AI, a lot of the "mistakes" you're talking about could very easily be applied to my own art. lol I'm not a beginner, I've been drawing for over 20 years, but I will admit that art is just a hobby for me, I'm not trained (for personal reasons, I hate school and my impression of art teachers in general is not positive). But because art is my hobby and basically the sole reason I'm sane at this point, I stopped caring about what was "right" or "wrong" a loooooooong time ago. I draw for fun, and dumb little mistakes don't deduct anything from the finished picture for me, probably because I hate perfection; I love the piece more for the little flaws it has. I remember many years back, I was trying to get a piece accepted to a website, but it kept getting declined, basically because the moderators felt the anatomy on a fictional creature wasn't up to their standards. I ended up changing the way I drew things to feel more accepted, but looking back now, that wasn't right, and it's not the kind of art I want to reflect in my own work. I've ended up reverting to some of those old anatomy quirks I had, because they FEEL right to me, and I just don't care if someone else doesn't like it. I draw to make me happy, first. Also, I am totally that artist that would draw two different looking ears on the same character, or draw hair that makes no logical sense. XD;
10:00 I think the blobs of melting flesh are actually where the hair was supposed to be, but the AI misinterpreted whatever they put into the img2img.
that AI "artist" will disappear and make other account, or continue this nonsense surely
Yeah until they get exposed again it’s a non ending cycle
21:40 is such a huge point!! I had a ton of peers in art school who were extremely talented with traditional art but when they tried digital art they looked like a beginner, you really do have to relearn how to draw. There's no way this artist was able to pick up digital art and render at this level in just one month even if they did art before.
I'm kinda hurt at 33:20 lol, I have always drawn my shadows and highlights like that!! Haha, so used to drawing on paper in high school that I even carried that habit out to this day.
EDIT: I also draw 1 eye then proceed to another place because for the life of me I can't make them consistent lol
i have a friend whos amazing w digital art, i even watched her draw my oc after she walked me through how she draws. and also me, ive traditionally drawn off and on for years so im okayish but now that ive gotten into digital drawing, i love it but its difficult to wrap my head around and ive been doing it for a few months now so theres NO WAY this person got this good in one month.
Hello! Artist here!
Yeah there are still people who would support them by saying "oh don't listen to the haters"
Like, we don't hate the person for making art. Good for them! I hope they improve!! 🎉
We hate the fact that they're lying and covering the fact that they use AIand think we, who are experienced artists with years of art skill, are dumb to not realize and won't criticise about it.
The majority of those supporters are those who don't draw or are just those who aren't able to differentiate art and generated AI images.
But props to people who don't draw traditional or digital and are still able to spot AI 'artifacts' on certain generated images! Kudos to you for doing your research.
There is literally no lying go the artist literally provide proof yall are lying to yourselves attacking an artist for mistake
@@goddessofchaos2679 Then explain the traced artwork of the girl holding the ball.
Please do enlighten me :)
If they are legit, they would do a livestream to show their authenticity. That's how most artists prove their innocence.
It took me so many years to actually understand how to use digital brushes even though I went to a tradional art program my entire childhood (my gma is an art teacher at a dedicated art school) 💀
It is soooo different!
I definitely agree with the cell shading, but i do all the mistakes you pointed out for frieren..
As someone who did traditional art on and off and switched to digital I can say it is a learning curve. I still do digital art and still have drawings that look odd. I do have to say about the shading comment that I have done this once before. And for me I do art as the face first then head then free hand the rest of the drawing. I have physical copies of my art. I have used other art to learn but never considered to use that same art as a means to many money.
31:46 In procreate, you can only have a timelasp if you do it in procreate with the setting on. I learned that the hard way; I accidentally clicked off the timelasp and lost parts of my fotage
I'm a realism artist and just started digital art, my art looks like I'm 5! mind u i have A CRAZZY SCOLORSHIP TO A GOOD ART SCHOOL. THERE IS NO WAY that there are this good so quick, i refuse to believe it lol
I think the one thing i'm also seeing with like the whole project in both Procreate and CSP is under 100 layers, which for something of that sort of quality is definitely going to have like, 70-100 layers of different parts being drawn.
I legit have like 28 layers for a basic 2D logo or icon I made in paint dotnet or gimp. Lol
I accidentally do a lot of the "proofs of ai" in my art, so now im just scared I'll get accused of uzing ai when I dont
26:22 the way is CLEARLY traced 😭😭 no professional would draw the sketch so.. unprofessionally? if yk what i mean, it just looks so poorly traced ( especially the right arm, it looks like a noodle ) the neck also is going in a very weird direction
Just wanna say I'm having a blast watching you analyze these AI images so we'd see the signs better while also roasting the content thieves
As a traditional turned digital artist, I had won contests in school for my pastel and charcoal pieces. My Digital art is still pretty jank and I have struggled so hard to get it to be somewhat decent. And it's not because I don't understand color or how to draw. Digital art genuinely feels alien and is less intuitive, Combatting sensitivity inputs and screen resolution on top of the limitations of programs is crazy. It's a harder learning curve, and definitely a struggle to relearn your process and Im still relearning things.
It’s very suspicious if people don’t show any proof of them sketching or painting the piece, even more so after being accused.
heres my thing. they didnt flip the canvas during the "timelapse" like didnt even try to RED FLAG and if you dont understand why im confused is because when you flip the canvas you see your art at a new perspective and can also see mistakes you made she didnt do that but if you dont as a digital artist thats fine to just weird.
I never flip my canvases 👁️👄👁️
I didn't know flipping was a viable strategy until recenty. Its a beginner thing to not do
The only time I've ever flipped the canvas is accidentally 🥲
Procreate doesnt show canvas flipping in the timelapse-at least not in mine
yeah i dont flip my canvas. if it looks weird reversed, then it’s someone else’s fault for reversing it idk
As someone who has restarted multiple art pieces before, it's not going to be exactly the same- unless you trace it. even if you start with the same sketch things will end up being slightly different, weather it's the eye and mouth shape, how curved a line is ect, It's not going to be almost copy and paste
the way ganyu and frieren was said took me back so hard LMAOO
also im not doubting the use of ai art but i think some of the reasoning in like the swimsuit pieces can also be excused as just bad artwork. but in the other ones its inexcusable.
sorry LMAOOO my pronunciation for words is god awful
I can confirm with the statement at 22:01
I was pretty good at traditional art and the making of characters traditionally.
But I jumped from that to digital and it was an entire new world. They are not the same, in my opinion. Yes, you do still draw and etc, but the feel is completely different.
I still do traditional art and designing with my characters but I prefer digital. Because at this point, I’ve progressed more in digital art and my skills is just better than with my traditional art.
But then again there’s things I can master and get how I want in traditional pieces verses digital.
For eg: I can draw flowers amazingly in traditional art, but I suck ass at drawing flowers in traditional
I can make actual terrains and mountains and stuff like that in traditional than in digital.
But the main idea is just… a month aint enough for you to learn allat. I can understand six months, because that’s how quick I progressed after getting back into it. But even then, I already had some experience!
Sorry if my rambling made no sense. It’s like this adhd tendency of mine to go off track. Lmfaooao- you never wanna listen to me rambling to game lore, I go off track very often HAHAH-
People are saying that she's only cutting corners, and that's why there are some mistakes. Well yes. She was cutting corners by letting an AI do the job that others paid her to do. They would've been better off just paying an AI to do the work. ....which is a very sad thing to say as I'm an artist myself. XD;;
On top of hands and consistently inconsistent line work and weird 'mistakes' in AI generate images, another uncomfortable tell I've noticed is that water drops, sweat whatever always look like something else. Namely, I think a lot of the AI samples hentai and so any fluids end up looking slimy and sticky and a lot like the "fluids" on NSFW art.
Everyone knows references were scant before the rise of automated generation! Why, there were no stock image sites, no googles of photographs, no nothing! All praise Sam Altman! /s
yeah omg the fact they managed to draw such a well-posed figure with ZERO references, but then can't draw hands...is really sus ;-;
I admit, all the critiquing and closely analyzing of the small mistakes an AI could make, got me furrowing my brows a bit too hard. Not because I don't believe they used AI on their work, I 100% agree with Katliente's points and evidences. But damn does she make me feel like I'm the one getting critiqued by an art elitist about little nitpicks they saw on my artwork (sorry if I sound harsh, and I don't mean to call you an elitist, but that's just how I imagined it).
Like even tho I make art for years and years, I would still make those little mistakes. Like the ears and feet because I really disliked drawing them. (Also that comment about choosing random colours irked me because that's literally how I do it, wtf is colour theory 😂)
But I get it, it makes absolutely no sense for their progress and artsyle to change so drastically when you're trying out digital for the first time. I've been in that transition from traditional to digital myself and it took years to get to where I'm at today.
I agree. I was on the same page about some of the points made throughout the video, but it all ended up feeling so nit picky on some parts. Even skilled artists still make little mistakes, like there were so many little things she pointed out that I myself still do and notice in my art.
It gave me a kind of bad feeling about the video when she talked about it like this.
I too am a traditional artist turned digital, and it took me years to learn how to use the medium to my advantage. It really does feel like learning how to draw all over again (and *boy* did I take a blow to my self esteem while I was learning).
Having said that, I still cannot properly sketch digitally. I need that feedback response of pencil and paper to get my lines to do what I want since that's how I learned. These "time-lapse" fake outs give me pause for fear. It scares me to think that I might need to prove that I don't use AI via time-lapse, but since the beginning portion of the lapse will almost always have a ready sketch, I worry I won't be believed.
I suppose the best solution is to take a time-lapse video of my traditional drawing process too, but it's just not practical to do that for every situation or sketch. Sometimes I'm at work, of a cafe, or park when I'm drawing. Where and how am I supposed to set up a camera? WHY should I need to record myself every second I draw instead of living in that moment of art?
Apologies for the rant, I'm just tired and worried. Gen Ai is really pissing me off recently.