New Final Audio Model 15 Electrostatic Loudspeakers with two REL Subs was the very best sound at Munich 2022 😇 Final Audio was packed the whole show ! 🙂
Nice coverage there guys. I always felt that Magico speakers don’t offer good value for the $$. The buyer probably pays for the fancy cabinets that’s all. I remember a Yamaha NS5000 beating a Magico S3 easily when both were playing in same room driven by same electronics. Alot of people in the room were shocked. The Yamaha made the Magico sounded nasal which is strange because of the extremely solid metal cabinet jn the Magico. The Wilson chronosonic played here at the last hifi show just before covid also sounded uninspiring due to the low volume. Seems that this spk cannot play loud.? Strange….
I've heard the Yamaha NS5000, Magico A3, Magico M2. And what i can say is the Yamaha is a lot brighter, more open, deeper sounding (soundstage-wise), less sensitive to your seating sweet spot due to the arrangement of drivers. They are also less picky about their amplification. However, there are tracks where the NS5000 (with complete yamaha 5000 series amplification), sounded overly bright and edgy, and the dynamics are not that amazing either. They are perfect for instrumental music, especially the sound of the piano. No speakers i've heard (up to million dollar systems) come close to the realism of the piano sound produced by the NS5000. However I can hear a metallic tint to the sound, probably an artifact of the zylon material. Steel strings on a guitar sound way too overemphasized. The Magicos can produce an organic sound that makes the Yamaha sound synthetic, they have alot more body in the midbass, and of course the dynamics (when paired with right amplification) completely blows away the Yamaha. Remember that Magicos need very very good amplification, or it simply falls apart. It is useless to say what you heard without mentioning the system used, or the type of music played. Inexperienced listeners will go into a room, hear a speaker that produce brighter details (that works well in a noisy showroom environment as it drowns the low level noise), and simply conclude that it is better. It's like how oled TVs in an electronic store are set to the highest contrast and saturation to wow the customers who don't know anything about colour calibration. But an experienced colour worker can tell which are overblown. Put it in your room, where you have alot of reflective surfaces, and it becomes a completely different experience. I'd even say the NS5000 in most small, untreated rooms will sound unbearable.
@@A-gks strange that u mentioned yamaha ns5000 driven by yamaha electronics sound bright & edgy. I heard the ns5000 driven by few different amps & by far, i thought they sounded worst with their own amps. Totally uninspiring & lacklustre. Even passlabs driving ns5000 sounded more open & transparent then yamaha amps & passlabs are not the most transparent & open sounding amps. I prefer a more open, transparent, exciting & exhilarating presentation. To some that means bright. Well to me live music is bright, edgy & hard hitting. At least amplified live music sounds that way. If you stand in front of a drum kit u will hear how sharp, bright & hard hitting it sounds. Even a violin played in an enclosed room can sound bright & sharp. I have also heard magico several times & driven by extremely expensive electronics but they are just not for me. They just cannot portray the natural timbre & color of musical instruments. Foe me they are a tad mechanical & sterile. Of cos ymmv.
@@ganck1147 I don't pursue a 'live' sound, and imo, that's not the aim. I'm an avid concert goer myself, and live sound just does not sound good at all, why try to reproduce that in your room? Most live venue sound go through speakers and high-powered systems that have high distortion. Beautiful music is not the goal in live venue, volume and power is.
@@A-gks of cos we cannot reproduce live sound at home in its entirety. Domestic hifi is not designed to do that. Even the most expensive & largest home speakers cannot give you the full SPL & scale of live music. What we aim for at home is a re-creation of live music & many hifi systems are very good at creating that live vibe feel of real music at home. And the ability of a system to create that live vibe feel is what i would consider a good system, other aspects of the recording notwithstanding.
New Final Audio Model 15 Electrostatic Loudspeakers with two REL Subs was the very best sound at Munich 2022 😇 Final Audio was packed the whole show ! 🙂
Nice coverage there guys. I always felt that Magico speakers don’t offer good value for the $$. The buyer probably pays for the fancy cabinets that’s all. I remember a Yamaha NS5000 beating a Magico S3 easily when both were playing in same room driven by same electronics. Alot of people in the room were shocked. The Yamaha made the Magico sounded nasal which is strange because of the extremely solid metal cabinet jn the Magico.
The Wilson chronosonic played here at the last hifi show just before covid also sounded uninspiring due to the low volume. Seems that this spk cannot play loud.? Strange….
I've heard the Yamaha NS5000, Magico A3, Magico M2. And what i can say is the Yamaha is a lot brighter, more open, deeper sounding (soundstage-wise), less sensitive to your seating sweet spot due to the arrangement of drivers. They are also less picky about their amplification. However, there are tracks where the NS5000 (with complete yamaha 5000 series amplification), sounded overly bright and edgy, and the dynamics are not that amazing either. They are perfect for instrumental music, especially the sound of the piano. No speakers i've heard (up to million dollar systems) come close to the realism of the piano sound produced by the NS5000. However I can hear a metallic tint to the sound, probably an artifact of the zylon material. Steel strings on a guitar sound way too overemphasized.
The Magicos can produce an organic sound that makes the Yamaha sound synthetic, they have alot more body in the midbass, and of course the dynamics (when paired with right amplification) completely blows away the Yamaha. Remember that Magicos need very very good amplification, or it simply falls apart. It is useless to say what you heard without mentioning the system used, or the type of music played.
Inexperienced listeners will go into a room, hear a speaker that produce brighter details (that works well in a noisy showroom environment as it drowns the low level noise), and simply conclude that it is better. It's like how oled TVs in an electronic store are set to the highest contrast and saturation to wow the customers who don't know anything about colour calibration. But an experienced colour worker can tell which are overblown.
Put it in your room, where you have alot of reflective surfaces, and it becomes a completely different experience. I'd even say the NS5000 in most small, untreated rooms will sound unbearable.
@@A-gks strange that u mentioned yamaha ns5000 driven by yamaha electronics sound bright & edgy. I heard the ns5000 driven by few different amps & by far, i thought they sounded worst with their own amps. Totally uninspiring & lacklustre. Even passlabs driving ns5000 sounded more open & transparent then yamaha amps & passlabs are not the most transparent & open sounding amps. I prefer a more open, transparent, exciting & exhilarating presentation. To some that means bright. Well to me live music is bright, edgy & hard hitting. At least amplified live music sounds that way. If you stand in front of a drum kit u will hear how sharp, bright & hard hitting it sounds. Even a violin played in an enclosed room can sound bright & sharp. I have also heard magico several times & driven by extremely expensive electronics but they are just not for me. They just cannot portray the natural timbre & color of musical instruments. Foe me they are a tad mechanical & sterile. Of cos ymmv.
@@ganck1147 That explains why you liked the NS5000 more. In that case, you should also like the 'B&W' sound.
@@ganck1147 I don't pursue a 'live' sound, and imo, that's not the aim. I'm an avid concert goer myself, and live sound just does not sound good at all, why try to reproduce that in your room? Most live venue sound go through speakers and high-powered systems that have high distortion. Beautiful music is not the goal in live venue, volume and power is.
@@A-gks of cos we cannot reproduce live sound at home in its entirety. Domestic hifi is not designed to do that. Even the most expensive & largest home speakers cannot give you the full SPL & scale of live music. What we aim for at home is a re-creation of live music & many hifi systems are very good at creating that live vibe feel of real music at home. And the ability of a system to create that live vibe feel is what i would consider a good system, other aspects of the recording notwithstanding.