Just wanted to say that this channel seems a lot better since Nemesis is actually speaking his mind about champions like reacting to Bwipo's video. The other one just cuts out everythign and most of the time zooms in on nothing, actual zoomer editing.
It's a really interesting conversation, its not that ADCs are necessarily weak as champions, but the role itself is in a bad position. Through the viability of carry supports, alongside ADCs being stronger outside their lane is a weird one to address & is probably out of my thinking capacity to even begin discussing a way to improve upon/fix this issue
It’s definitely a complicated issue, the thing is vayne kit is just always way better on toplane unless you nerf her true damage, XP scaling and make her better at killing squishies instead. But so far vayne is threatened by 2 potential bullies on botlane at the same time, while toplane she is a bully who gets more xp and cs than in botlane she ever could. TF is not that problematic, his AD build in general is just lightly overtuned, allowing you to burst most of a squishies hp bar in one Stun duration. There is also some ADCs I think need some more power in their gold scaling like sivir, if you don’t want her to be more of a midlaner, you shouldn’t buff her second maxed skill. I think botlane is atm all about highrange and or enchanting, if you can do both, you are incredibly hard to outdraft. Best examples of this are definitely Senna and Seraphine, who can both go for Bot and support, while outscaling most of the roster. They can even be paired up.
The problem with current marksmen is they go ghost flash Fleet (+ probably Celerity) and run down ALL of "traditional toplaners". If Riot buff ADCs guess which lane they will plummet even more. Imo they should compensate nerf those runes above AND also nerf supports in that case. The core of support being problem to a lot of people is because they got 2 item powerspike if they are fed before almost any other roles. Those items that are keep getting swapped season after season but the core is still the same: it is not just an item that gives a bit of stats but an entire item worth of stats and additional passives. And it only cost 450g. Currently for example E max Naut sup with Zekes solo kill any ADC on equal items at lvl 7. It should not be the case
Bwipo saying that adc doesn't need buff as a role cause marksmen are strong in top is a 3head take. Yeah, if the champions supposed to be played as adc are stronger on other roles (Vayne, Senna, Tristana,etc) it does indeed mean that the role is shit. Nobody is talking about buffing ranged top chill Mr. redditor.
Agree, with roa second you likely don’t even get value out of the +1 level unless somehow your malignance spike got you enough gold to finish roa extremely early.
No cause u dont build roa for the +1 lvl anyway ,u build it for the hp and the mana , so its still good item as a second one as long as u dont take it too late , kassadin dosent need ap as long as he can spam his x4 R is more dmg output , so u just build all 3 mana items
@@absolutedomination5254 I think rod second is not that good because it spikes too late, either you go rod first into seraphs or malignance into seraphs. but it also depends on yours and enemy team so you can pick in champ select what runes you take if ur gonna do that, it doesnt feel too wrong playing conq and rod in combination with malignance first. i think its preferation in the end but the level up is just luxury as you said, it just gives good stats after multiple stacks
@@riftwalker2269 you cant go rod first cause it has the worst build path in the history of league , u have 0 spikes when u going rod first ,with malignace u have stronger early to help u go into late
they should buff garen so that you have 4000 hp with no items when level 6 and r should deal 60% maxhealth true damage level 1 level 2 80% and 100% level 3
What i don't understand is why is Bwipo disagreeing with adc being weak. Each time he said roam one should read: its better to supp the solo laners and my jungler cuase they carry harder than the adc, so ima go supp them and abandon my adc. And he did say roam quite a lot didn't he. And remember, it's not only the enemy adc the maokai can stop from playing, can be any prime target, could be the midlaner, the toplaner or the jungler, that's why its a valid strategy. Also he can do that to 2 people in one teamfight. Also: 'how can people say adc is weak when you've got 4 disgunsting champions', le champions: two mages (tf and smolder (also newest champion, so extra stats)), a supp (senna) and one actual adc who is just overstated and even then its better somewhere else :D. Also, this 4 have one thing in common, they have extra means of scaling, tf get's extra gold and extra attack speed and an extra on hit effect, apart from bringing a lot of utility with his w, i dont need to explain how senna and smolder get extra scaling and vayne gets extra scaling from having a true dmg apply hit, so the underline is: normal adc scaling is not enough to make it in this meta (you can also add nilah and seraphine to this, nilah gets an extra 33% armor pen from crit chance and more levels, and i think is save to say seraphine scales harder than jinx). So yeah, adc overall weak as f. But you cant just buff it cause supp is the strongest role in the game, and its not even close. We went from adc stronk supp weak to supp stronk adc weak, except when supp was weak they at least got to do something (thinking back to that infamous game in which annie only bought wards in competitive, she at least could have flashed tibbers and play the vision game), when adc is weak we just get to get one shot :) I'm not saying supp should go back to only spend money on wards, but now they get too much money, that's for sure, every time they base they get 75gx3 in wards + passive income item + stats of the completed item + all their items cost like -200g. Maybe letss passive income and more active income would be a good start, supp item gives less gold / minute but they get extra 50g per assist and lose 25g per kill, so like a kill gives them 275g but an assist gives 200g, encouraging good behaviour and punishing bad behaviour. Also rewarding active gameplay, more kp more gold, afk = less gold. Overall, botlane needs a rework. I also have this theory of armor per level scaling being backloaded and crit chance not being that great of a scaling stat that works against a role that has less levels than the rest and buys crit instead of lethality. I'd defenetly look into buffing adc xp in duo lane, and only adc xp, cuase supps already too good.
That's not exactly what he's saying. Trist mid can stomp nearly every midlaner smolder is an ADC and builds as such, as well as tf he wasn't a problem until then. Adcs are inherently broken they have strong early, mid, and late games when their true purpose is to DPS. Have you ever tried to kill a tank as a mage? It's literally impossible if they have 1 MR item. But I play ADC and they have 3 armor items and it barely matters as well as I can dual nearly everything but assassin which adcs inherently shouldn't. The problem is ADC needs to scale and have a Frontline if they are going to survive, that's the key word. I honestly think ADC for the past few years has been disgustingly overtuned, try laneing against an akshan or trist solo. The "role" ADC everyone forgets is just called botlane, ADC as in attack damage carry champs are op af, look at yas and yone they are by definition adcs and they are overtuned.
@@joshuac1876sorry to inform you that you weren't invited to the reunion when we diceded to use adc and bot as interchangable terms but please use this message as a memo, now, your argument? Marksmen is the term you are refering to as adc, its the other side of the coin, calling all marksmen adc when not all of them go bot can also be called using the term wrong. Akshan, especificaly has never been bot. Why single out yone and yasuo as adcs? By that logic full lethality aatrox or tryndamere should also be adcs? While we are at it, camile, riven, fiora, jax, yi, briar, irelia, etc are adcs, they buy ad and attack speed and relay on autos to do dps. Point is, you can ignore my point all you want but saying hey, you are technically wrong here you were refering to this doesn't make the argument i was making invalid. Supp has too much power, to the point that its better to put the carry on supp and make the carry supp, by that i mean that is better to have a damage dealer on supp and a utility base champion on bot, which is disgusting, bot is supposed to be the highest scaling role, but that is no longer the case. A 6 item adc is no longer a force to fear, is a thing to one shot. And that obviously feels terrible, cause adc suffers the entire game for being the prime target we were supposed to be rewarded with damage in the late game, but that is no longer the case, yes we do damage, but i've seen qiyanas have an easier time dealing with the tank than me on kai sa, the dmg scaling of crit is fucked, lethality is just better.
@@MrBigPauly1 I mean listen to the first minute and hear bwipo specify that the vayne and TF are built as attack damage carries not marksman. That's the argument. I'm sorry to inform you but lethality doesn't matter it is in fact attack damage I've seen cait and jhin do way more damage 6 items as full lethality or crit than any assassin it's just a fact that marksman scale harder if that's your argument it's just also that their damage isn't instant like assassins are. I mean it's what is considered as the carry role a lot of champions build attack damage but mostly this is on hyperscalers because they are the carry. I don't understand this delusion plug in any mage or AP champ into all these scenarios or go play games and tell how it turns out if you play mages top, mid and botlane like they are doing with adcs.
@@joshuac1876Ya tru tru, mages have it so bad, i mean its not like you can play a mage in every role true, you cannot play rumble or kennen top, or azir top, or cassio top, or singed top, or gragas top, or vladimir or sylas and then jung, you cant play brand, you cant play karthus, you cant play fiddlesticks, taliyah, gragas; bot you cant play swain, you cant play seraphine, you cant play syndra, veigar, hwei, ziggs; there are totally no mage supps and ofc dont get me started on midlane, you defenetly cant play a mage mid. Jokes aside, point is, bot is weakest role right now no doubt about it, and the champs that are op are so because they are overstated in the late game some way or another, adc scaling sucks rn, maybe at 6 items you do dmg, but its not really that much tbh and in any case the game doesnt play for 6 items anymore, crit needs to scale better sooner, there's no two ways around it. And the role also needs more xp, its too fragile. One should be punished for bad positioning yes, but bad positioning shouldnt mean you stood under only one tower and with your supp 5s away so you solo lost the game nub. Look, every adc is complaining, and even famous solo laners agree, maybe not all of them, but some of them, and the ones that aren't agreeing is cause of certain champs being too strong which is like arguing top wasnt a weak role cause ksante existed, it just doesnt make sense to argue about role strength with champ strength. Enough with feelings, you want proof? ADC used to be second highest pickrate in the game, its now second to last, people are fleeting the role, and according to riot's logic being a low pick role means it needs to be overbuffed (as supp can testify) so i hope i be seeing buffs soon Riot. P.D: Nerf supp for god sake.
Went down a Bwipo rabbit hole and he’s essentially just the worst combination of dorky but intellectually slow. Nice guy, but without video games dude would be sweeping the floor at Burger King
Adc‘s when they have a strong patch: we are the best players build the comp around my pick, supports are just random NPCs who have to submit to MY play style. Adc‘s when they have a weak patch: literally just fucking baby rage and coping // supports were treated like shit for YEARS you better get used to farming under towers
people pick roaming supports because adcs are just unpleasant to be around. they ping you if you take 1 out of 100 cs by accident, they have shit for brains in terms of wave controle and matchup strengths, cant read the lane state.....
I hate and love playing adc, whenever I pick A champ like jinx or twitch I have to grow A second pair of hands and eyes just because of the amount of mobility in this game, and then pick senna and play with one hand and walk around killing people from 3 screens away. On the other hand I go 20/0 with cait or some other random adc and the 0/10 top laner sneezes at me and im dead, or I simply deal no dmg to any1 besides enemy botlaners.
he says adc rol is not balanced, you have broken adc in wich you can play it in almost any rol and you have shit adc in wich if you play them you are probably gonna loose, and the cherry on top is that support do the bare minimun and they get free gold, free broken items, can die/roams/not taking exp without consequences.... cherry picks the strong champs because they are strong champs, thats what overpowered means, if they nerf them enough than adc's would still be not balanced
Yeah "adc" is broken. Senna is not an adc it shouldn't suppose to be one. TWISTED FATE is a midlaner dude not an ADC. You tripping. Only vayne is adc there and good bcs truth dmg YEAH. And smolder feels more like a mage. Great ADC indeed. So again clueless.
I mean ADC means attack damage carry not the role "botlane" that you are thinking of. The champs you listed are attack damage carries and it's not a secret that attack damage carries have been overtuned for awhile. Look at yone, guess what he's an attack damage carry, he's been dominant in 2 lanes and only recently started to fall off. Adcs mid and top are stomping. It's not just supports the attack damage carry champs are a bit overtuned.
If ADC is so weak why do people still pick them? IDK to me if ADC is unplayable we would see people picking other types of champs bot but they dont so it must be playable
If Toplane is so weak why do people still pick it? IDK to me if toplane is unplayable we would see people picking other types of roles but they dont so it must be playable
ADC is a marksman role, if you think the role is weak you dont change champs, you change the role(ADC used to be second most popular role, now second least popular)
This is a terrible argument. If Nilah ADC is the highest win rate ADC in the game why is no one playing it? By your logic she should be up there in pick rate with Ez and MF but she isn't. By your logic, Seraphine, who has been one of the highest win rate bot laners in the game should be top 3 pick rate botlaner for long LONG time now. Despite that shes the 3rd lowest picked bot laner.
@lucifrax4040 Because she is a counter pick champ who can get hard counterpicked herself? Thats typically the case when champs have a very high win rate and low pick rate.
how could you be patient? if you are not playing those 3 broken adc than you are ALL IN for a unfun late scaling gameplay, like yes there are exceptions but in high elo you just get fucked by every type of support. try playing jinx/cait/kalista/zeri/twitch/nilah/kogmaw/sivir/aphelios/etc. againts a camille supp or a sylas supp, or like bwippo says janna hail of blades with ignite and fucking autos you to death while the enemy adc doesnt even hit you once... it is frustrating to play a role in wich you are not only the slowest to scale (at least you are feed as fuck in wich sometimes doesnt even care cuz you are squishi as fuck and will die to anything) and your support by doing the bare minimun to "poke" you to death and win the lane/game.... support since years has been kinda broken but this season you get more free gold than before, more free items than before, you can roam/die/not recieving exp without concequences and still win the game, try that as an adc or toplane and you are fucked for the whole game
@juan3557 scaling gameplay is just a preference thing and all adc players should have scaling in mind at all times but everything else I agree with. I will say that adc players(most of them) have always had poor mindsets and a general lack of awareness. A year ago adcs were giga busted for patches, everygame was both junglers pathing bot. Adcs still called their role weak/unfun, still played unsafe knowing the enemy junglers bot and still thought waiting for 2 whole items was far too much. You can't win with these people, make them the protagonist they so desperately want to be and they'll still Hate it.
@@themegaladon18In the meta you're talking about it was just about which jungle/mid was bot first and you're there to get your asshole pounded, fun gameplay for an adc for sure . Now you're just left to afk and do nothing but farm all game till you scale, also super fun! A game is supposed to be fun. I want to lane and actually have some agency in the first 80% of the game.
Yamato should try this champ out!
Crazy enough, he played it 3 times on stream today
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Yamato is in the top 1% of most mentally unstable humans, no champ is going to help him from being hard stuck master
Just wanted to say that this channel seems a lot better since Nemesis is actually speaking his mind about champions like reacting to Bwipo's video. The other one just cuts out everythign and most of the time zooms in on nothing, actual zoomer editing.
Big fan of new channel! Awesome!
So the role is terrible not the champs. Shocker. That’s what most ADCs complain about, the role itself feels worthless in the grand scheme of things
It's a really interesting conversation, its not that ADCs are necessarily weak as champions, but the role itself is in a bad position. Through the viability of carry supports, alongside ADCs being stronger outside their lane is a weird one to address & is probably out of my thinking capacity to even begin discussing a way to improve upon/fix this issue
It’s definitely a complicated issue, the thing is vayne kit is just always way better on toplane unless you nerf her true damage, XP scaling and make her better at killing squishies instead.
But so far vayne is threatened by 2 potential bullies on botlane at the same time, while toplane she is a bully who gets more xp and cs than in botlane she ever could.
TF is not that problematic, his AD build in general is just lightly overtuned, allowing you to burst most of a squishies hp bar in one Stun duration.
There is also some ADCs I think need some more power in their gold scaling like sivir, if you don’t want her to be more of a midlaner, you shouldn’t buff her second maxed skill.
I think botlane is atm all about highrange and or enchanting, if you can do both, you are incredibly hard to outdraft.
Best examples of this are definitely Senna and Seraphine, who can both go for Bot and support, while outscaling most of the roster. They can even be paired up.
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Midlane is 22% of the list, other lanes ~19%. Consistent in all regions.
Not sure how to fix this
The problem with current marksmen is they go ghost flash Fleet (+ probably Celerity) and run down ALL of "traditional toplaners". If Riot buff ADCs guess which lane they will plummet even more. Imo they should compensate nerf those runes above AND also nerf supports in that case. The core of support being problem to a lot of people is because they got 2 item powerspike if they are fed before almost any other roles. Those items that are keep getting swapped season after season but the core is still the same: it is not just an item that gives a bit of stats but an entire item worth of stats and additional passives. And it only cost 450g. Currently for example E max Naut sup with Zekes solo kill any ADC on equal items at lvl 7. It should not be the case
21:34 listen what nemesis and kassadin say
Bwipo saying that adc doesn't need buff as a role cause marksmen are strong in top is a 3head take. Yeah, if the champions supposed to be played as adc are stronger on other roles (Vayne, Senna, Tristana,etc) it does indeed mean that the role is shit. Nobody is talking about buffing ranged top chill Mr. redditor.
rod after malignance is questionable either you start malignance for early powerspike or rod to reach 16 faster
Agree, with roa second you likely don’t even get value out of the +1 level unless somehow your malignance spike got you enough gold to finish roa extremely early.
No cause u dont build roa for the +1 lvl anyway ,u build it for the hp and the mana , so its still good item as a second one as long as u dont take it too late , kassadin dosent need ap as long as he can spam his x4 R is more dmg output , so u just build all 3 mana items
@@absolutedomination5254 I think rod second is not that good because it spikes too late, either you go rod first into seraphs or malignance into seraphs. but it also depends on yours and enemy team so you can pick in champ select what runes you take if ur gonna do that, it doesnt feel too wrong playing conq and rod in combination with malignance first. i think its preferation in the end but the level up is just luxury as you said, it just gives good stats after multiple stacks
@@riftwalker2269 you cant go rod first cause it has the worst build path in the history of league , u have 0 spikes when u going rod first ,with malignace u have stronger early to help u go into late
you need hands on akshan, you don't just magically spawn a point and click stun and auto them to death.
Neme out here agreeing with every1
if support is op why dont boosters boost with support?
Bwipo trying to say bring Akshan into this was cope.
they should buff garen so that you have 4000 hp with no items when level 6 and r should deal 60% maxhealth true damage level 1 level 2 80% and 100% level 3
What i don't understand is why is Bwipo disagreeing with adc being weak. Each time he said roam one should read: its better to supp the solo laners and my jungler cuase they carry harder than the adc, so ima go supp them and abandon my adc. And he did say roam quite a lot didn't he. And remember, it's not only the enemy adc the maokai can stop from playing, can be any prime target, could be the midlaner, the toplaner or the jungler, that's why its a valid strategy. Also he can do that to 2 people in one teamfight. Also: 'how can people say adc is weak when you've got 4 disgunsting champions', le champions: two mages (tf and smolder (also newest champion, so extra stats)), a supp (senna) and one actual adc who is just overstated and even then its better somewhere else :D. Also, this 4 have one thing in common, they have extra means of scaling, tf get's extra gold and extra attack speed and an extra on hit effect, apart from bringing a lot of utility with his w, i dont need to explain how senna and smolder get extra scaling and vayne gets extra scaling from having a true dmg apply hit, so the underline is: normal adc scaling is not enough to make it in this meta (you can also add nilah and seraphine to this, nilah gets an extra 33% armor pen from crit chance and more levels, and i think is save to say seraphine scales harder than jinx).
So yeah, adc overall weak as f. But you cant just buff it cause supp is the strongest role in the game, and its not even close.
We went from adc stronk supp weak to supp stronk adc weak, except when supp was weak they at least got to do something (thinking back to that infamous game in which annie only bought wards in competitive, she at least could have flashed tibbers and play the vision game), when adc is weak we just get to get one shot :)
I'm not saying supp should go back to only spend money on wards, but now they get too much money, that's for sure, every time they base they get 75gx3 in wards + passive income item + stats of the completed item + all their items cost like -200g. Maybe letss passive income and more active income would be a good start, supp item gives less gold / minute but they get extra 50g per assist and lose 25g per kill, so like a kill gives them 275g but an assist gives 200g, encouraging good behaviour and punishing bad behaviour. Also rewarding active gameplay, more kp more gold, afk = less gold.
Overall, botlane needs a rework.
I also have this theory of armor per level scaling being backloaded and crit chance not being that great of a scaling stat that works against a role that has less levels than the rest and buys crit instead of lethality. I'd defenetly look into buffing adc xp in duo lane, and only adc xp, cuase supps already too good.
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That's not exactly what he's saying. Trist mid can stomp nearly every midlaner smolder is an ADC and builds as such, as well as tf he wasn't a problem until then. Adcs are inherently broken they have strong early, mid, and late games when their true purpose is to DPS. Have you ever tried to kill a tank as a mage? It's literally impossible if they have 1 MR item. But I play ADC and they have 3 armor items and it barely matters as well as I can dual nearly everything but assassin which adcs inherently shouldn't. The problem is ADC needs to scale and have a Frontline if they are going to survive, that's the key word. I honestly think ADC for the past few years has been disgustingly overtuned, try laneing against an akshan or trist solo. The "role" ADC everyone forgets is just called botlane, ADC as in attack damage carry champs are op af, look at yas and yone they are by definition adcs and they are overtuned.
@@joshuac1876sorry to inform you that you weren't invited to the reunion when we diceded to use adc and bot as interchangable terms but please use this message as a memo, now, your argument?
Marksmen is the term you are refering to as adc, its the other side of the coin, calling all marksmen adc when not all of them go bot can also be called using the term wrong.
Akshan, especificaly has never been bot.
Why single out yone and yasuo as adcs? By that logic full lethality aatrox or tryndamere should also be adcs? While we are at it, camile, riven, fiora, jax, yi, briar, irelia, etc are adcs, they buy ad and attack speed and relay on autos to do dps.
Point is, you can ignore my point all you want but saying hey, you are technically wrong here you were refering to this doesn't make the argument i was making invalid.
Supp has too much power, to the point that its better to put the carry on supp and make the carry supp, by that i mean that is better to have a damage dealer on supp and a utility base champion on bot, which is disgusting, bot is supposed to be the highest scaling role, but that is no longer the case. A 6 item adc is no longer a force to fear, is a thing to one shot. And that obviously feels terrible, cause adc suffers the entire game for being the prime target we were supposed to be rewarded with damage in the late game, but that is no longer the case, yes we do damage, but i've seen qiyanas have an easier time dealing with the tank than me on kai sa, the dmg scaling of crit is fucked, lethality is just better.
@@MrBigPauly1 I mean listen to the first minute and hear bwipo specify that the vayne and TF are built as attack damage carries not marksman. That's the argument. I'm sorry to inform you but lethality doesn't matter it is in fact attack damage I've seen cait and jhin do way more damage 6 items as full lethality or crit than any assassin it's just a fact that marksman scale harder if that's your argument it's just also that their damage isn't instant like assassins are. I mean it's what is considered as the carry role a lot of champions build attack damage but mostly this is on hyperscalers because they are the carry. I don't understand this delusion plug in any mage or AP champ into all these scenarios or go play games and tell how it turns out if you play mages top, mid and botlane like they are doing with adcs.
@@joshuac1876Ya tru tru, mages have it so bad, i mean its not like you can play a mage in every role true, you cannot play rumble or kennen top, or azir top, or cassio top, or singed top, or gragas top, or vladimir or sylas and then jung, you cant play brand, you cant play karthus, you cant play fiddlesticks, taliyah, gragas; bot you cant play swain, you cant play seraphine, you cant play syndra, veigar, hwei, ziggs; there are totally no mage supps and ofc dont get me started on midlane, you defenetly cant play a mage mid.
Jokes aside, point is, bot is weakest role right now no doubt about it, and the champs that are op are so because they are overstated in the late game some way or another, adc scaling sucks rn, maybe at 6 items you do dmg, but its not really that much tbh and in any case the game doesnt play for 6 items anymore, crit needs to scale better sooner, there's no two ways around it.
And the role also needs more xp, its too fragile. One should be punished for bad positioning yes, but bad positioning shouldnt mean you stood under only one tower and with your supp 5s away so you solo lost the game nub.
Look, every adc is complaining, and even famous solo laners agree, maybe not all of them, but some of them, and the ones that aren't agreeing is cause of certain champs being too strong which is like arguing top wasnt a weak role cause ksante existed, it just doesnt make sense to argue about role strength with champ strength.
Enough with feelings, you want proof? ADC used to be second highest pickrate in the game, its now second to last, people are fleeting the role, and according to riot's logic being a low pick role means it needs to be overbuffed (as supp can testify) so i hope i be seeing buffs soon Riot.
P.D: Nerf supp for god sake.
Went down a Bwipo rabbit hole and he’s essentially just the worst combination of dorky but intellectually slow. Nice guy, but without video games dude would be sweeping the floor at Burger King
can u play twisted fate next time?
Adc‘s when they have a strong patch: we are the best players build the comp around my pick, supports are just random NPCs who have to submit to MY play style.
Adc‘s when they have a weak patch: literally just fucking baby rage and coping // supports were treated like shit for YEARS you better get used to farming under towers
Nemesis, can play Cassiopeia please! Would like to see pro playing that champ😊
people pick roaming supports because adcs are just unpleasant to be around. they ping you if you take 1 out of 100 cs by accident, they have shit for brains in terms of wave controle and matchup strengths, cant read the lane state.....
real odysseus?!
the problem is ghost, that's what all these champs that are op have in common (except senna)
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I hate and love playing adc, whenever I pick A champ like jinx or twitch I have to grow A second pair of hands and eyes just because of the amount of mobility in this game, and then pick senna and play with one hand and walk around killing people from 3 screens away. On the other hand I go 20/0 with cait or some other random adc and the 0/10 top laner sneezes at me and im dead, or I simply deal no dmg to any1 besides enemy botlaners.
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Bwipo special
cherry picks strong champs, ignores the talking points of botmains, thinks hes got a gotcha
he says adc rol is not balanced, you have broken adc in wich you can play it in almost any rol and you have shit adc in wich if you play them you are probably gonna loose, and the cherry on top is that support do the bare minimun and they get free gold, free broken items, can die/roams/not taking exp without consequences.... cherry picks the strong champs because they are strong champs, thats what overpowered means, if they nerf them enough than adc's would still be not balanced
Yeah "adc" is broken. Senna is not an adc it shouldn't suppose to be one. TWISTED FATE is a midlaner dude not an ADC. You tripping. Only vayne is adc there and good bcs truth dmg YEAH.
And smolder feels more like a mage. Great ADC indeed. So again clueless.
I mean ADC means attack damage carry not the role "botlane" that you are thinking of. The champs you listed are attack damage carries and it's not a secret that attack damage carries have been overtuned for awhile. Look at yone, guess what he's an attack damage carry, he's been dominant in 2 lanes and only recently started to fall off. Adcs mid and top are stomping. It's not just supports the attack damage carry champs are a bit overtuned.
As usual Bwipo is loud and wrong
If ADC is so weak why do people still pick them? IDK to me if ADC is unplayable we would see people picking other types of champs bot but they dont so it must be playable
If Toplane is so weak why do people still pick it? IDK to me if toplane is unplayable we would see people picking other types of roles but they dont so it must be playable
ADC is a marksman role, if you think the role is weak you dont change champs, you change the role(ADC used to be second most popular role, now second least popular)
This is a terrible argument. If Nilah ADC is the highest win rate ADC in the game why is no one playing it? By your logic she should be up there in pick rate with Ez and MF but she isn't. By your logic, Seraphine, who has been one of the highest win rate bot laners in the game should be top 3 pick rate botlaner for long LONG time now. Despite that shes the 3rd lowest picked bot laner.
@lucifrax4040 Because she is a counter pick champ who can get hard counterpicked herself? Thats typically the case when champs have a very high win rate and low pick rate.
They do. They pick senna and Tham in pro play. And senna has the support item 😭
Adc is broken xDxDxdxddD 🤡
The adcs playing the role dont have the patience to wait, i dont really blame the support players at this point.
how could you be patient? if you are not playing those 3 broken adc than you are ALL IN for a unfun late scaling gameplay, like yes there are exceptions but in high elo you just get fucked by every type of support. try playing jinx/cait/kalista/zeri/twitch/nilah/kogmaw/sivir/aphelios/etc. againts a camille supp or a sylas supp, or like bwippo says janna hail of blades with ignite and fucking autos you to death while the enemy adc doesnt even hit you once... it is frustrating to play a role in wich you are not only the slowest to scale (at least you are feed as fuck in wich sometimes doesnt even care cuz you are squishi as fuck and will die to anything) and your support by doing the bare minimun to "poke" you to death and win the lane/game.... support since years has been kinda broken but this season you get more free gold than before, more free items than before, you can roam/die/not recieving exp without concequences and still win the game, try that as an adc or toplane and you are fucked for the whole game
@juan3557 scaling gameplay is just a preference thing and all adc players should have scaling in mind at all times but everything else I agree with. I will say that adc players(most of them) have always had poor mindsets and a general lack of awareness. A year ago adcs were giga busted for patches, everygame was both junglers pathing bot. Adcs still called their role weak/unfun, still played unsafe knowing the enemy junglers bot and still thought waiting for 2 whole items was far too much. You can't win with these people, make them the protagonist they so desperately want to be and they'll still Hate it.
@@themegaladon18In the meta you're talking about it was just about which jungle/mid was bot first and you're there to get your asshole pounded, fun gameplay for an adc for sure . Now you're just left to afk and do nothing but farm all game till you scale, also super fun! A game is supposed to be fun. I want to lane and actually have some agency in the first 80% of the game.