The design concept of this tent is to position it is not the lightest tent, because it balances the weight and space, and then the selection of fabrics, accessories and sewing process is more worthy of attention, thank you very much for the objective report, thank you.
I have a 100 dollar Amazon 2 pole free standing tent. Fly is the same… goes all the way to the bottom. Approx same weight. For me to loosen the purse strings… drop at least 1.5 pounds.
I can see this being a good option for the weekend warrior type backpacker. Lots of room, and decent features to make it a comfortable space. It’s clearly not trying to get the long distance hiker’s attention. But a well built shelter that will have some longevity is great for folks who may only get out 3-5 a year.
This is a very cool tent that no one has heard of before. Yes it isn't the lightest, yes it isn't the cheapest, BUT this has some awesome features about it. Two things really struck me about the tent. The size of the doors are huge, they almost cover the entire side of the tent. With a 51" wide floor you get so much space to share with someone, and you can fit two square wide pads in it.
Exactly, this tent is innovative and uses premium materials, people act as if 1 pound extra is like carrying a boulder. And they want a premium tent for less than 100 dollars, it's just ridiculous
That's a pretty nice tent for the $220-260 price range. An unheard of tent, coming in at a portly 4 plus pounds at well over $500. Too many better options out there in that price range. Nice review, but let's be real.
While not a tent that would fit my use cases I do appreciate 2 things. 1-the wide brow pole giving width. This is important for interior and vestibule space. 2) full width the entire length. Tapered width seems to be the norm which in my opinion is not ideal. As usual great showcase.
I love this tent. Thanks, Devin. How about a car camping 4 person standable dust and sand proof tent? My Black Pine is great except it's too bulky and heavy. Anything available that you're aware of?
Ahh the Double Rainbow or Triple Rainbow is just an incredible value for what it is. I love that tent. The only real issue with the rainbow series is the lack of poles crossing limits the internal space when you’re sitting up. Since the walls come in a bit tighter at the head and foot ends. This would arguably have a bit more living space end to end when sitting up inside. But the rainbow is absolutely beautiful.
Hi Devon, Liked your 2024 new gear review covering what you liked, as well as your tent reviews (all of them) as you do a great job in covering the small details on this subject matter. The last couple of videos you have carried out it would appear you are wearing a winter grade Decathlon Forclaz MT-500. Price is awesome at $130.00 CDN, but how are you liking the MT-500 for winter activities?
Thank you! Yes, been testing the MT500 Jacket for some time now. I like it more than the MT100 for just a touch more warmth and the chest pocket. For a value oriented jacket, it's absolutely a great option. I've been pleased with performance, fit, and quality. I don't like how the cuffs at the wrists are finished, but that's minor.
That is an interesting tent. I love the 51" width for somebody like me who wants to use a 25" wide sleeping pad. I'd really like to see you do a summer review of this tend because I have some questions about the breathability as far as getting heat out with that more solid inner tent fabric. This might make a good 3-season cold weather tent more than a summer tent.
Totally fair question. On a different tent I had for a short time from ZeroGram, that also had the monolite fabric on the body, and then my time with this one, I don’t notice a major difference between it and noseeum. Maybe in really warm conditions where it’s not getting lower than 50° at night you’d notice it more.
Terrific, thorough review of a tent many of us haven't heard of or seen before. Many thanks for bringing it to our attention! On the "fly first" pitch issue--I wonder if the inner using thin nylon in the place of mesh would make it water resistant if you had to set it up in the rain.
The Monolite fabric will handle a light rain better than a mesh would, but it's not going to be waterproof. I think at that point if you're regularly setting up your tent in the rain then a different option with a fly first pitch would be a smarter buy.
An interesting look at a new brand. I looked at their website and they have many more tents than this. I have never paid more than $300 for a tent so this particular one is not for me. They do have some other tents with slightly different materials and less than 1/2 pound more for about half the price. The monofila cloth looks very interesting as I live in a buggy climate, wonder if it would be cool enough for hot summer in Minnesota
Thanks Davin! Why would I buy this over the Copper Spur , Hubba Hubba or Nemo Dragonfly? You really have to undercut the mentioned tents for me to consider, plus, there cheaper alternatives here in the US which are just as good... Featherstone.. ect..
It’s definitely a space that has a lot of various options. I love that TFS is designed and manufactured all in their own factory that they own and manage. QC is much higher in that case. Copper Spur and Dragonfly both have tapered floors, so it makes it harder to enjoy the space with two people. The Dagger would be a more appropriate direct comparison to this. I think having more options and competition in the space is healthy.
"I think having more options and competition in the space is healthy." I agree 100% Devin! But for a tent made in Asia not sure why it costs $535, 3FUL Floating cloud 2 only costs tops $225! ...and that has straight head/foot walls and its square floor.. Personally I don't buy the made "in-house" mentality when they are made in Asia! They're ALL made in-house! 😉
Call it backcountry sleeping roulette! But also, you don't have to sleep that way, just when sitting up, the rectangular floor just gives you the option for one person to flip to the other side so you aren't shoulder to shoulder. :)
Thanks for another video... I watch your stuff a lot. Seems like the floodgates have opened and everyone is copying the BA Copper Spur. I'd still prefer higher HH ratings and always find it funny when people comment that if they were in the UK they would want higher specs as if rain is somehow wetter in the UK than the US. Also confused about the bath tub comments... You said that the mono light fabric used for the tent body doesn't let dust blow in so the higher bath tub is moot, is it not? I do really like it but I have to say that I would really prefer a No See Em layer on the outer side of the doors and the lack of fly first option rules me out. I'd really like one of you outdoor guys (Justin Outdoors, Dan Becker) have a look at the Lone Rider ADV tent so I could get a direct comparison for that with some of the dedicated UL hiking tents.f
Does anyone do reviews of non-rich products for non-rich people anymore or did it became illegal for poor folks to go on nature adventures with cheap products?
@@BackcountryExposure in fairness, the Scout you mention is $200 and in the UK there are a number of 2P tents for $70- $150 (£50-£100), especially Vango which can offer a 6kHH groundsheet with 3kHH fly, and this price range never gets coverage. Even the 'cheap' Amazon based products are often $200+. It would be nice to get more of the real cheap price level added and compared.
Virtually everyone. They've all discussed Amazon discount gear. Many have discussed temu. Lanshan is a cheap brand that comes to mind, or naturehike amongst many others. Don't want it? Don't buy it jfc
I see a lot of hate for this tent in the comments, it's too expensive, it's too heavy, like what do you guys want? A top tier tent with premium materials for less than 50 dollars? This tent uses premium material with top notch attention to details, such as the breathable and windproof fabric instead of cheap mesh (preventing sand or dirt from getting in). As for the weight, as if 1 pound more is the end of the world, a litre of water weighs more, are you gonna not carry water because it weight more than a pound on your next trip? If you want a cheap tent, go buy one from Temu ffs. Great video btw, always introducing cool and high quality camping gears, keep it up!
It appears to virtually identical to my Black Diamond tent which is virtually identical to the MSR Hubba Hubba...so many knock-offs. 4 pounds and well over $500? Who is the target market for this tent? Cuz it ain't me! 🤣
Which BD Tent? The HiLight? This TFS tent, the Hubba Hubba and BD Highlight all have slightly different designs. The BD is single walled, poles pitch inside the tent and has no vestibule. The Hubba Hubba has a completely different pole design, that’s much less stable and strong at the top.
Pass. If they are asking $500+, they need to bring something to the table. Either some kind of innovation or weigh less. Blame the chinese tents, also that price is high considering it's coming from their website.
What innovation would you suggest? I actually appreciate that the tent isn’t trying to be something unnecessary and sticks to a tried and true design. The fabrics used and how solid the construction is is far superior to the vast majority of the tents others are referring to. It’s a good tent.
@@BackcountryExposure The X-Dome 2 is probably going to be around the same price, that's some kind of innovation.A tried and true design is good, I prefer that. However if they are asking for a higher price, then the visuals (colors), extras (better cordage i.e glowire or iron wire, stakes, zippers, etc) need to convice why people should trust a new company. In this case, the tent doesn't have anything out of the ordinary.
Ultralight isn’t a need for every person who spends time outside. TFS is less known in the US but they are a big brand in China, Japan, and such. Doesn’t mean they aren’t relevant. I’ve always enjoyed sharing lesser known brands/products on my channel.
@@BackcountryExposure I had never heard of Sling Fin tents until 2021. However, it didn’t mean it was less than. Thanks for the review, I’m always curious about different equipment options.
The design concept of this tent is to position it is not the lightest tent, because it balances the weight and space, and then the selection of fabrics, accessories and sewing process is more worthy of attention, thank you very much for the objective report, thank you.
@@TFStents-cn thank you!
That's a nice 2P tent. I really like the large living space, the large doors, and height of the bathtub floor. Great review!
4lbs and $535 is a bit to much for me...
I have a flycreek3, weighs the same and is 3 person
Check out Ampex 2P for a low budget option.
@@JV-ko6ovI’m not a fan of the flycreek. Front entry tents are rough with multiple people.
I have a 100 dollar Amazon 2 pole free standing tent. Fly is the same… goes all the way to the bottom. Approx same weight. For me to loosen the purse strings… drop at least 1.5 pounds.
Yep too much. Teston sports or featherstone ultralight
I also like to look at the stars in the summer I don't think that is possible with this tent
I can see this being a good option for the weekend warrior type backpacker. Lots of room, and decent features to make it a comfortable space. It’s clearly not trying to get the long distance hiker’s attention. But a well built shelter that will have some longevity is great for folks who may only get out 3-5 a year.
This is a very cool tent that no one has heard of before. Yes it isn't the lightest, yes it isn't the cheapest, BUT this has some awesome features about it. Two things really struck me about the tent. The size of the doors are huge, they almost cover the entire side of the tent. With a 51" wide floor you get so much space to share with someone, and you can fit two square wide pads in it.
Exactly, this tent is innovative and uses premium materials, people act as if 1 pound extra is like carrying a boulder. And they want a premium tent for less than 100 dollars, it's just ridiculous
The door size is rad. Good space inside for sure!
That's a pretty nice tent for the $220-260 price range. An unheard of tent, coming in at a portly 4 plus pounds at well over $500. Too many better options out there in that price range. Nice review, but let's be real.
Seems like a solid, classic design. Thanks for sharing.
I really like the color😊
I like the pale color and high bathtub floor. It seems like a good choice for shoulder season. Thx for the info!
While not a tent that would fit my use cases I do appreciate 2 things. 1-the wide brow pole giving width. This is important for interior and vestibule space. 2) full width the entire length. Tapered width seems to be the norm which in my opinion is not ideal.
As usual great showcase.
Thanks. Yes, the full width end to end and 51” wide is just good, and something people looking for space for two want.
I love this tent. Thanks, Devin. How about a car camping 4 person standable dust and sand proof tent? My Black Pine is great except it's too bulky and heavy. Anything available that you're aware of?
The double rainbow you previously recommend is better in pretty much all aspects. The screen material does seem cool, not cool enough for me though.
Ahh the Double Rainbow or Triple Rainbow is just an incredible value for what it is. I love that tent. The only real issue with the rainbow series is the lack of poles crossing limits the internal space when you’re sitting up. Since the walls come in a bit tighter at the head and foot ends. This would arguably have a bit more living space end to end when sitting up inside. But the rainbow is absolutely beautiful.
@BackcountryExposure I guess you can't recommend the same tent every video! Keep the great reviews coming!
Love my Rainbow! It’s my goat!😊
@woodchip2782 I just ordered one. Can't wait for it to arrive. Looks like a pretty versatile design.
@woodchip2782 I have a double rainbow DW coming tomorrow cant wait to hit the trail! What model do you have?
Hi Devon, Liked your 2024 new gear review covering what you liked, as well as your tent reviews (all of them) as you do a great job in covering the small details on this subject matter. The last couple of videos you have carried out it would appear you are wearing a winter grade Decathlon Forclaz MT-500. Price is awesome at $130.00 CDN, but how are you liking the MT-500 for winter activities?
Thank you! Yes, been testing the MT500 Jacket for some time now. I like it more than the MT100 for just a touch more warmth and the chest pocket. For a value oriented jacket, it's absolutely a great option. I've been pleased with performance, fit, and quality. I don't like how the cuffs at the wrists are finished, but that's minor.
@@BackcountryExposure but it's down... and you prefer synthetic. :D
I can concur it's a great jacket and I love mine and I like the recessed cuffs.
You should review the slingfin tents. Very nice
@@johnlinford1795 I’ve reviewed the 2Lite. Love that tent.
That is an interesting tent. I love the 51" width for somebody like me who wants to use a 25" wide sleeping pad. I'd really like to see you do a summer review of this tend because I have some questions about the breathability as far as getting heat out with that more solid inner tent fabric. This might make a good 3-season cold weather tent more than a summer tent.
Totally fair question. On a different tent I had for a short time from ZeroGram, that also had the monolite fabric on the body, and then my time with this one, I don’t notice a major difference between it and noseeum. Maybe in really warm conditions where it’s not getting lower than 50° at night you’d notice it more.
Terrific, thorough review of a tent many of us haven't heard of or seen before. Many thanks for bringing it to our attention! On the "fly first" pitch issue--I wonder if the inner using thin nylon in the place of mesh would make it water resistant if you had to set it up in the rain.
The Monolite fabric will handle a light rain better than a mesh would, but it's not going to be waterproof. I think at that point if you're regularly setting up your tent in the rain then a different option with a fly first pitch would be a smarter buy.
Interesting. Their pet tent is nicer than all my tents 😂 Would be cool to test the Cave.
Looks like a Marmot Limelight by its shape. I do like the Akatsuki tent they make.
An interesting look at a new brand. I looked at their website and they have many more tents than this. I have never paid more than $300 for a tent so this particular one is not for me. They do have some other tents with slightly different materials and less than 1/2 pound more for about half the price. The monofila cloth looks very interesting as I live in a buggy climate, wonder if it would be cool enough for hot summer in Minnesota
@@matthawton1732 I think at one point there were 30 or so designs. The sister company, Pretents also has some excellent designs worth looking into.
The fabric wings for the cross pole are interesting.
I don’t think I’ve seen that on any other tent like this, definitely unique.
Nice option…reasonable price.
Thanks Davin!
Why would I buy this over the Copper Spur , Hubba Hubba or Nemo Dragonfly? You really have to undercut the mentioned tents for me to consider, plus, there cheaper alternatives here in the US which are just as good... Featherstone.. ect..
It’s definitely a space that has a lot of various options. I love that TFS is designed and manufactured all in their own factory that they own and manage. QC is much higher in that case.
Copper Spur and Dragonfly both have tapered floors, so it makes it harder to enjoy the space with two people. The Dagger would be a more appropriate direct comparison to this.
I think having more options and competition in the space is healthy.
"I think having more options and competition in the space is healthy." I agree 100% Devin! But for a tent made in Asia not sure why it costs $535, 3FUL Floating cloud 2 only costs tops $225! ...and that has straight head/foot walls and its square floor.. Personally I don't buy the made "in-house" mentality when they are made in Asia! They're ALL made in-house! 😉
You may not be shoulder to shoulder but you might get a kick in the face occasionally!😄
Call it backcountry sleeping roulette! But also, you don't have to sleep that way, just when sitting up, the rectangular floor just gives you the option for one person to flip to the other side so you aren't shoulder to shoulder. :)
Thanks for another video... I watch your stuff a lot.
Seems like the floodgates have opened and everyone is copying the BA Copper Spur. I'd still prefer higher HH ratings and always find it funny when people comment that if they were in the UK they would want higher specs as if rain is somehow wetter in the UK than the US.
Also confused about the bath tub comments... You said that the mono light fabric used for the tent body doesn't let dust blow in so the higher bath tub is moot, is it not?
I do really like it but I have to say that I would really prefer a No See Em layer on the outer side of the doors and the lack of fly first option rules me out.
I'd really like one of you outdoor guys (Justin Outdoors, Dan Becker) have a look at the Lone Rider ADV tent so I could get a direct comparison for that with some of the dedicated UL hiking tents.f
Does anyone do reviews of non-rich products for non-rich people anymore or did it became illegal for poor folks to go on nature adventures with cheap products?
I've shared quite a few budget friendly and lower cost items recently. Hill Zero Scout tent being one of them.
@@BackcountryExposure in fairness, the Scout you mention is $200 and in the UK there are a number of 2P tents for $70- $150 (£50-£100), especially Vango which can offer a 6kHH groundsheet with 3kHH fly, and this price range never gets coverage. Even the 'cheap' Amazon based products are often $200+. It would be nice to get more of the real cheap price level added and compared.
Virtually everyone. They've all discussed Amazon discount gear. Many have discussed temu. Lanshan is a cheap brand that comes to mind, or naturehike amongst many others. Don't want it? Don't buy it jfc
Every single one of these channels puts out that type of content regularly and no matter how much they placate you people, you still complain.
@ true. its fractal leaves weaving through the lambogtre black spaghetti strands while the clockery geed made a soup out of forgotten equations.
That’s crazy money 🤦🏼♂️
Man, I saw that tent on Temu for $69.99 😁
@@gregmortonoutdoors oh gosh 🤦🏻♂️ha ha
@@BackcountryExposure Honestly, I'd go with the Paria Zion 2P for $175. It's about the same weight and you get some extra floor width.
@@gregmortonoutdoorshaving used the Zion, this is a better built tent. That said, the Zion is a solid value.
I see a lot of hate for this tent in the comments, it's too expensive, it's too heavy, like what do you guys want? A top tier tent with premium materials for less than 50 dollars? This tent uses premium material with top notch attention to details, such as the breathable and windproof fabric instead of cheap mesh (preventing sand or dirt from getting in). As for the weight, as if 1 pound more is the end of the world, a litre of water weighs more, are you gonna not carry water because it weight more than a pound on your next trip? If you want a cheap tent, go buy one from Temu ffs. Great video btw, always introducing cool and high quality camping gears, keep it up!
Thanks!
@@Rando-user-zm1fx I always enjoy your direct, forthright comments. 👍🏻
It appears to virtually identical to my Black Diamond tent which is virtually identical to the MSR Hubba Hubba...so many knock-offs. 4 pounds and well over $500? Who is the target market for this tent? Cuz it ain't me! 🤣
Which BD Tent? The HiLight? This TFS tent, the Hubba Hubba and BD Highlight all have slightly different designs. The BD is single walled, poles pitch inside the tent and has no vestibule. The Hubba Hubba has a completely different pole design, that’s much less stable and strong at the top.
Neither weight nor prize tag puts it anywhere close to my consideration. Nope
Totally makes sense that it may not fit everyone’s needs or preferences. 👍🏻👍🏻
A nylon tent over $500 is a deal breaker.
you lost me at 4lbs and price....
Fair
Uhha uhaa, tooooo heavy for a 2 person tent!
Relative to your specific needs right? For some it's just right, and when camping it's much less of an issue. :)
Pass. If they are asking $500+, they need to bring something to the table. Either some kind of innovation or weigh less. Blame the chinese tents, also that price is high considering it's coming from their website.
What innovation would you suggest? I actually appreciate that the tent isn’t trying to be something unnecessary and sticks to a tried and true design. The fabrics used and how solid the construction is is far superior to the vast majority of the tents others are referring to. It’s a good tent.
@@BackcountryExposure The X-Dome 2 is probably going to be around the same price, that's some kind of innovation.A tried and true design is good, I prefer that. However if they are asking for a higher price, then the visuals (colors), extras (better cordage i.e glowire or iron wire, stakes, zippers, etc) need to convice why people should trust a new company. In this case, the tent doesn't have anything out of the ordinary.
Nope.
It’s just Meh
Very expensive and not ultra light for an unknown brand
Why review it
Ultralight isn’t a need for every person who spends time outside. TFS is less known in the US but they are a big brand in China, Japan, and such. Doesn’t mean they aren’t relevant. I’ve always enjoyed sharing lesser known brands/products on my channel.
@@BackcountryExposure I had never heard of Sling Fin tents until 2021. However, it didn’t mean it was less than. Thanks for the review, I’m always curious about different equipment options.
I am nervous about a nylon rain fly. Have you evaluated this tent in rain for fly sag?