Wow, the level of pathetic thinking and reasoning that comes out of these kids because they are based on misinformation, imaginary made up facts, information based on no facts, feelings, etc...so painful to listen.
hell should not scare you, it should horrify you. It does me and I Will do everything possible to avoid it. The good news is that putting your faith in Jesus Christ and live according to His will we can have everlasting life . He not only saves us from eternal damnation but also saves your intellect .
I'm an Atheist but I have the utmost admiration and respect for Cliffe Knechtle, some of my fellow Atheists disagree with me when I say this but I think that Cliffe presents a much more compelling case for his beliefs than a lot of other Christians that I have listened to, I even have more respect for Cliffe than some of my fellow Atheists to be honest Lol but putting aside likes and dislikes because in fairness, it's not just about that, it's really about what is true and what is not, irrespective of whether we like the people that are presenting the truth proposal or not, I've just been much more persuaded by the case for Atheism because of the better evidence, now, having said that, my position could all change tomorrow if my experience changes, everything is about what people experience in their lives, if someone has an experience of God, then of course that person will believe there is a God, if someone, like myself, hasn't had any experience of God, then (surprise surprise) they won't believe in God and at the moment I don't believe in God, sorry, I wish I could say otherwise but I'm not going to lie, if God or Jesus really exist then they would know I was lying if I said I believed when I don't, so all I'm saying to God really is IF you exist, IF you really are there, then show yourself and I'll truly believe, if you don't then I can't really believe, I could fake it but I presume this God doesn't want fake believers correct?
+John Cashin Yes, i tend to agree with you John ( fellow atheist here). I think mankind has had a propensity to believe in some form of God for many thousands of years, we can see this all over the world in different cultures on every continent. But the more we discover about the planet we live on, and just how big the universe is, the thought that a Christian God is looking down on us, and unless we accept his son Jesus as our savior, we are all hellbound or damned for eternity in some way, it makes no sense to me, and it doesn't fit with reality. Forcing someone to believe using threats of hell doesn't seem conducive to getting to the truth.
Charles B Thanks, I would be happy to stop being an Atheist too, all this God has to do is give me a reason to rationally justify believing he exists, it really shouldn't be that difficult for a being as infinitely powerful as this God should be to show himself to me in such a way that I will be convinced, yet, I'm afraid so far he has failed and has also failed with many other Atheists too, otherwise nobody would be an Atheist, most people are not Atheists because they want to be, there is very little to be gained out of having no belief in God or life after death, in fact, that thought is quite depressing, so I would love to believe in it all but at the same time, I am not going to believe in something just because I want to believe it, that's called deluded, I need to be able to rationally justify it first, then I will cheerfully believe it, an omniscient being should know this anyway.
+John Cashin John you are one of the most honest speaking atheists I've ever heard. I mean that. I appreciate your thoughts and will pray God will open your eyes like he did mine. (Which was a miracle in itself let me tell ya) Glad to have you here and look forward to hearing more of your thoughts.
+John Cashin Have you read Lee Strobel book "The Case for Christ"? It's a good book that is easy to understand as he (a former atheist) questions and cross examines religious teachers and professors? Or you can find some of his videos here on TH-cam as well. He has a lot of good augments on why he now believes. Maybe you can find something in his material that can help you. Best wishes to you.
The world was made through Jesus Christ. Sin has deformed us but Jesus came to transform the body, soul, and the spirit. He died and rose to save you from hell. Eternal life is in Jesus Christ. see www.gotquestions.org
these students are so ignorant and at the same time dying to find holes in the scriptures because they live on the basis of assumption and second hand knowledge instead of their own thinking, they think their questions are smart but only expose their own lack of real thinking!
”“Do not return a slave to his master when he has escaped from his master to you. Let him live among you wherever he wants within your city gates. Do not mistreat him.“ Deuteronomy 23:15-16 CSB ”You must not oppress a resident alien; you yourselves know how it feels to be a resident alien because you were resident aliens in the land of Egypt.“ Exodus 23:9 CSB ”“Whoever kidnaps a person must be put to death, whether he sells him or the person is found in his possession.“ Exodus 21:16 CSB This last one especially had to be ignored by white slave owners.
"I'm not out here asking people to put their faith in Christianity." He seems to have very unique definitions for what these well understood words actually mean.
"The evidence of those values of goodness and kindness" Again, he seems to have no idea what the word "evidence" means. "Goodness" and "kindness" are not objective measurable qualities that exist independent of human expression.
I wish he would debate somebody who is actually educated on the matter because he would get destroyed. It's easy to go to college campuses and pick on kids who have never really been in debate forums and can't really form complete arguments on the fly. I respect him for challenging their opinions and views though, because every idea should be scrutinized.
+Marthious' Knowledge Sounds like new age mysticism. News flash!, We aren't gods and will never be. lol and fyi, I'm not religious. Religion is man's attempt to reach God by good deeds, meditation etc. So you are the religious one, even when you don't think so.
Woah! The Orthodox would definitely disagree with that Cliffe. The focus here, IMO, should be your existence after life. Are you going somewhere or not? The notion that good comes from God is a bit sketch because that is sort of like saying atheists can't be good people. They can. They perhaps cannot get to heaven if they don't believe but they can be good people.
It always bothers me that instead of having a conversation or discussion people are interested in an argument. They want to win instead of learn or share knowledge, if they can. This culture has failed.
Because there is one rule to being a Christian - to identify yourself as Christian (and, I guess, believe in a Christ figure). That's it. You don't get to judge how well others do it. That in itself is un-Christlike.
"Are you going to patiently, gradually tighten the noose on evil?" If I'm an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent magical fairy man, why would I allow evil in the first place, and then take almost 2,000 years to get rid of only one very specific kind of evil? That's absolutely ridiculous.
"Does the evidence point to Siddhartha" What evidence? Scientific evidence? Crime evidence? He seems to have a profound misunderstanding of these words based on the way he misuses them. Scientific evidence, which has helped us to discover concepts such as DNA, evolution, relativity, quantum physics, and more, has nothing to do with a mythical creator figure, or lack thereof.
Great message at the end. Just went through a hard break up today. These videos help me learn about the God that is always there with me.
Thanks Cliffe for bringing the truth of God. Bless you!
Awesome stuff. God bless you Cliffe. I love your logic and reasoning
Thank You so Much❤ 2023
God bless you Cliffe! I enjoy all of your videos
Thanks again for another great video.
"Every friendship you and I have is a faith decision."
He is conflating different meanings of the word "faith."
+Aronson, Michael 마익흘 No
Yes, there are two different meanings for the word.
Michael 마익흘 Aronson
No
Wow, that's a compelling and detailed argument right there.
Michael 마익흘 Aronson
It is as detailed as necessary.
I love you cliff forever.
Great composure to very tough questions!
17:10-17:17 Amen.
let's get the next one posted this weekend!!
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
This law alone make slavery impossible. That is what Jesus said.
Wow, the level of pathetic thinking and reasoning that comes out of these kids because they are based on misinformation, imaginary made up facts, information based on no facts, feelings, etc...so painful to listen.
Perhaps the thinking of these kids is pathetic because . . . they're just kids.
This is a grown man arguing with kids.
They are legally adults, but clearly not emotionally so.
and this will help them to understand. Mentors are always helpful. Wisdom brings fruit. Brings a better community.
Brucev7 "Mentors are always helpful."
Not always, as clearly demonstrated in this video.
That chuckle made me laugh 😂
hell should not scare you, it should horrify you.
It does me and I Will do everything possible to avoid it.
The good news is that putting your faith in Jesus Christ and live according to His will we can have everlasting life .
He not only saves us from eternal damnation but also saves your intellect .
I'm an Atheist but I have the utmost admiration and respect for Cliffe Knechtle, some of my fellow Atheists disagree with me when I say this but I think that Cliffe presents a much more compelling case for his beliefs than a lot of other Christians that I have listened to, I even have more respect for Cliffe than some of my fellow Atheists to be honest Lol but putting aside likes and dislikes because in fairness, it's not just about that, it's really about what is true and what is not, irrespective of whether we like the people that are presenting the truth proposal or not, I've just been much more persuaded by the case for Atheism because of the better evidence, now, having said that, my position could all change tomorrow if my experience changes, everything is about what people experience in their lives, if someone has an experience of God, then of course that person will believe there is a God, if someone, like myself, hasn't had any experience of God, then (surprise surprise) they won't believe in God and at the moment I don't believe in God, sorry, I wish I could say otherwise but I'm not going to lie, if God or Jesus really exist then they would know I was lying if I said I believed when I don't, so all I'm saying to God really is IF you exist, IF you really are there, then show yourself and I'll truly believe, if you don't then I can't really believe, I could fake it but I presume this God doesn't want fake believers correct?
+John Cashin Yes, i tend to agree with you John ( fellow atheist here). I think mankind has had a propensity to believe in some form of God for many thousands of years, we can see this all over the world in different cultures on every continent. But the more we discover about the planet we live on, and just how big the universe is, the thought that a Christian God is looking down on us, and unless we accept his son Jesus as our savior, we are all hellbound or damned for eternity in some way, it makes no sense to me, and it doesn't fit with reality. Forcing someone to believe using threats of hell doesn't seem conducive to getting to the truth.
+John Cashin
I used to be an atheist John. Welcome to the channel.
Charles B Thanks, I would be happy to stop being an Atheist too, all this God has to do is give me a reason to rationally justify believing he exists, it really shouldn't be that difficult for a being as infinitely powerful as this God should be to show himself to me in such a way that I will be convinced, yet, I'm afraid so far he has failed and has also failed with many other Atheists too, otherwise nobody would be an Atheist, most people are not Atheists because they want to be, there is very little to be gained out of having no belief in God or life after death, in fact, that thought is quite depressing, so I would love to believe in it all but at the same time, I am not going to believe in something just because I want to believe it, that's called deluded, I need to be able to rationally justify it first, then I will cheerfully believe it, an omniscient being should know this anyway.
+John Cashin
John you are one of the most honest speaking atheists I've ever heard. I mean that. I appreciate your thoughts and will pray God will open your eyes like he did mine. (Which was a miracle in itself let me tell ya) Glad to have you here and look forward to hearing more of your thoughts.
+John Cashin Have you read Lee Strobel book "The Case for Christ"? It's a good book that is easy to understand as he (a former atheist) questions and cross examines religious teachers and professors? Or you can find some of his videos here on TH-cam as well. He has a lot of good augments on why he now believes. Maybe you can find something in his material that can help you. Best wishes to you.
👍👍👍
The world was made through Jesus Christ. Sin has deformed us but Jesus came to transform the body, soul, and the spirit. He died and rose to save you from hell. Eternal life is in Jesus Christ. see www.gotquestions.org
these students are so ignorant and at the same time dying to find holes in the scriptures because they live on the basis of assumption and second hand knowledge instead of their own thinking, they think their questions are smart but only expose their own lack of real thinking!
lolz, that first guy was obviously high on drugs. That kid was everywhere with his arguments.
”“Do not return a slave to his master when he has escaped from his master to you. Let him live among you wherever he wants within your city gates. Do not mistreat him.“
Deuteronomy 23:15-16 CSB
”You must not oppress a resident alien; you yourselves know how it feels to be a resident alien because you were resident aliens in the land of Egypt.“
Exodus 23:9 CSB
”“Whoever kidnaps a person must be put to death, whether he sells him or the person is found in his possession.“
Exodus 21:16 CSB
This last one especially had to be ignored by white slave owners.
Biblical slavery is obviously different from American Southern slavery.
its funny how they suddenly have to go when their lousy thinking and assumptions are refuted!
"I'm not out here asking people to put their faith in Christianity."
He seems to have very unique definitions for what these well understood words actually mean.
Paul wasn't opposing slavery, he was opposing the slavery of a single person. Why didn't he just oppose slavery?
Why did peter deny Jesus 3 times?
They are all flawed just like you and me, we follow Jesus and not the writers of the book.
@@JohnjOcampo I've never seen sufficient evidence that either Jesus or Peter ever even existed.
"The evidence of those values of goodness and kindness"
Again, he seems to have no idea what the word "evidence" means. "Goodness" and "kindness" are not objective measurable qualities that exist independent of human expression.
Exactly. It's relative to the human experience. You answered his question perfectly. And established a world view.
I wish he would debate somebody who is actually educated on the matter because he would get destroyed. It's easy to go to college campuses and pick on kids who have never really been in debate forums and can't really form complete arguments on the fly. I respect him for challenging their opinions and views though, because every idea should be scrutinized.
he does debate and has mentioned who in one video. I will try and find if you like?
he's trying to help them
+Nick Monroe good man
Cliffe should be dialogue with Zakir Naik about where Jesus called himself God 😅
I feel sorry for All religious folk who believes in a non evident external god without seeking the god within one's self first.
+Marthious' Knowledge Sounds like new age mysticism. News flash!, We aren't gods and will never be. lol
and fyi, I'm not religious. Religion is man's attempt to reach God by good deeds, meditation etc. So you are the religious one, even when you don't think so.
You become like God or whatever you idolise. So if somebody is more like Christ why are you hating and what?
+Marthious' Knowledge There is plenty of compelling evidence for God.
Cool can your inner God make me a universe?
God does Live Within Me.
If that dude went to 13 years of Catholic school, I think the Catholic schools need some revamping.
Woah! The Orthodox would definitely disagree with that Cliffe. The focus here, IMO, should be your existence after life. Are you going somewhere or not? The notion that good comes from God is a bit sketch because that is sort of like saying atheists can't be good people. They can. They perhaps cannot get to heaven if they don't believe but they can be good people.
It always bothers me that instead of having a conversation or discussion people are interested in an argument. They want to win instead of learn or share knowledge, if they can. This culture has failed.
Exodus says manstealers are to be put to death
That one law would never allow American Slavery.
"White Christian slaveholders were contradicting Christ"
What would a fundamentalist be without a No True Scotsman claim?
Because he's making claims about who is a true Christian and who isn't. The arrogance is astounding.
Again, it's presuming what a true Christian should and shouldn't do. That's exactly the No True Scotsman fallacy.
Because there is one rule to being a Christian - to identify yourself as Christian (and, I guess, believe in a Christ figure). That's it. You don't get to judge how well others do it. That in itself is un-Christlike.
So, you're rationalizing what's okay and what's not okay to do as a Christian - as all Christians do. Welcome to the point.
Christ didn't invent "Christians." You little saps are just arguing among yourselves who's the best.
"Are you going to patiently, gradually tighten the noose on evil?"
If I'm an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent magical fairy man, why would I allow evil in the first place, and then take almost 2,000 years to get rid of only one very specific kind of evil? That's absolutely ridiculous.
+Aronson, Michael 마익흘 God is not fairy man.
That's a compelling and detailed argument.
Michael 마익흘 Aronson
That's sufficient to show your argument to be wrong.
Bare assertions are never sufficient, I'm afraid.
Michael 마익흘 Aronson
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
"Does the evidence point to Siddhartha"
What evidence? Scientific evidence? Crime evidence? He seems to have a profound misunderstanding of these words based on the way he misuses them.
Scientific evidence, which has helped us to discover concepts such as DNA, evolution, relativity, quantum physics, and more, has nothing to do with a mythical creator figure, or lack thereof.
"Tightening the noose"? Great metaphor when talking about slavery in the Bible. Eisegesis at its finest.