@@curtiscooper343 Yeah. And then he tried to pass it off as “she’s the only one that believed in this soul mate thing”. Even though he obviously approved and didn’t go against it when it was convenient. Then his beef with Dr Doom turned her into a monster. One of those worse Johnny moments that they pass off because he’s family.
@@guyfeeyeti375 It is extreme but it is Doom ( he’s mostly honourable and doesn’t accept humiliation) and Johnny never learns. His family always gets him out of trouble. Not to say Johnny isn’t a good guy because he is a good guy. But the guy always messes around girls or takes unnecessary risks. And this guy was flirting with the girl in front of Doom after the confession! How do you sleep with someone’s fiancé then seduce them in front of the enraged boy friend. Honestly it’s not like Johnny is new to being the human torch. Considering he may have ruined Dr Doom’s happily ever after this is a cheap price. Dr Doom is willing to risk his soul and square up against marvel’s devil once a year to save his mother. He willing to walk in unprotected and allow a psychic supervillain capable of controlling the whole world to have a fair battle of wills. And the guy couldn’t enter Doom’s head ( the purple man). Reed Richards is Johnny brother-in- law so despite Dr Doom’s talk on it never being cured. There’s a high chance Reed will figure it out later. And maybe Johnny will actually be a little considerate and less head strong. If anyone died due to Doom’s rage at being humiliated who should Johnny blame? Doom who he made wear a green hat in front of the whole world who wants to get even with him (but knows no one will ever allow him to). Or Johnny who proposed and went through with seducing someone’s fiancé. While Johnny literally had his possible soul mate with him for weeks or months!
People forget how emotionally nuanced characters like the Fantastic Four genuinely are. Johnny, when he's not immature, egotistical or comic relief, is actually a really emotionally fragile person with moments of imposter syndrome and can go through as much as any person can
i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people don't give the fantastic four credit... partially because we've had over a decade of the main "Marvel" media excluding them as much as humanly possible thanks to Perlmutter and the MCU, and the FF don't have as much classic star power to remain culturally visible like the X-Men do
Ummm...correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this after Johnny had a beef with Dr Doom which turned his then gf into a monster whom he cheated on while wearing a bracelet that literally let them feel everything in this issue? Yeah.... there's a reason Victor called Reed a hypocrite
@@dibyaudhdas1978are you actually siding with doom right now? The same person who destroyed an entire universe because an alternate version of himself who had the perfect life told him to stop being petty
The fact that Johnny involuntarily destroys everything he touches, and can't even cry about it is so sad. Really shows how much of a curse superpowers can be.
@@artyd42He sleeps with someone else's bride. You could say he didn't know who she was but he himself was already in a relationship during that time he did it. If anything this is karma.
This is like the human torch parody in The Venture Bros, who needs to live in a vacuum chamber because being exposed to oxygen causes him to burst into flames. Even though he's not allowed a normal life, he's still happy knowing the people he loves aren't in danger, and believes in their ability to find a solution.
the original human torch who was created before johny, was actually an android who catches fire when exposed to oxygen, so his creator kept him in a vacuum chamber.
That sucks so bad, he can’t even live normally now. When reed says the reason he never cries it’s just so sad. Edit: 7/17/2024: I’ve never gotten this many likes before
@@huntertezzTrue they aren't remembering that he caused all these problems by Having an affair with doctor dooms fiance you get what you get buddy. He also cheese on that skrull girlfriend.So i'm not feeling sorry for him.
To be fair, Johny sort of had it coming by sleeping with Doom's bride to be. *Especially* after Doom promised the Fantastic Four he'd bury the hatchet with them if the wedding went through.
Yeap. Johnny deserved this one hundred percent. Also Doom was keeping his word. He ordered every weapon and plan he had made for fighting the Fantastic Four to be destroyed immediately. Except for this Cosmic ray gun because it was too dangerous to dismantle quickly so he was going to do it after the wedding. Then the Human Torch fked up and Doom went "fk it" and blasted him with it
The fact that Richard "heartless" Reed says something as emotionally articulate as goong "he physically cant cry" is 1) amazing 2) maybe the writers have finally figured out Stan wasnt going for "comeplete dick" but "stiff upper lip scientist"
I'm not sure if you know this but the Thing is such a soft guy. Everyone judges him by his appearance and he's left alone (most of the time, outright avoided). On the inside, he's still human. He grew up in a tough place and tries helping others as much as he can
Remember, this all happened because Johnny slept with Dr. Dooms finance. And tried to convince her to leave doom and come with him instead the night before their wedding. Safe to say he had this coming. 😂
I wanna feel bad for him, but this is entirely his own fault. Bro slept with Doom's Fiance right before their wedding, and that's why Doom did this to him. Bro even said he'd stop trying to conquer earth and tried to bury the hatchet with the 4. But Johnny decided to Johnny.
Don't forget the part where he screwed up his relationship with his alien skrull girlfriend. And that's the reason why I hate the character so much.He's such a stupid man child
Just one thing...that doesn't mean he doesn't cry, it just means his tears evaporate as they come. He experiences crying, like his chest heaves and he feels bad, he just doesn't literally have liquid coming out of his face
FINALLY SOMEONE TALKS ABOUT THIS As a Johnny hater he got exactly what he deserved. Doom had to put him in his place after ruining everything at the wedding. Idrc that he went through this because sleeping with the fiancé of your arch nemesis who BTW was ready to stop tormenting the FF, made peace with Reed by actually asking him to be his best man, finally started to respect Grimm and Johnny ruined it all. Also he’s a player that constantly cheats so like yeah eff Johnny for being the worse
Yh he definitely deserved it. He has so many love interests, but decided to sleep with Doom’s singular one. Doom doesn’t love easily. The guy is too proud, noble and stoic to easily love other people. There are very few people he loves and it’s always complicated. His mum. But she’s dead and disowned him for “betraying” his friend to save her. But from Dr Strange’s dialogue it seems like that is what he wanted to happen. Because while he could get Mephisto to give him his mother’s soul. that wouldn’t guarantee it going to heaven. His mother wouldn’t be happy. And he would tarnish his honour. But by making his mum think he did - She would reject it (as she’s his lovely and dearly missed mother), disown him, and her noble sacrifice would allow her to go to heaven (which is what happened). The comic leaves it ambiguous as Doom doesn’t answer when Dr Strange suspects he planned it that way. And leaves Dr Doom as he knows it’s sad. Or Valeria Richard. Who is his beloved god daughter and share a special bond with him. It’s always nice to see their interaction as he genuinely cares and loves her. But they can’t usually be together as she knows he would kill her family, particularly her father, if he could. And she can’t change that. They only have disagreements when she’s saving the fantastic 4 and it’s never personal. He’s a good mentor to her…though he did try to conquer the world secretly through their projects one time.
@@dandelion1469 Johnny was in a relationship. Rejected another proposition for a relationship. Then decided to sleep with Victorious in the midst of a relationship. Johnny Storm may be an immature, annoying brat. But he knows how to pull I can’t deny that.
@@barrondub1125 i mean yea definitely not cool what he did but if the girl was willing to cheat on doom she didnt love him so i think he lucked out better tp find out now than latet
@@dandelion1469 Lots of 'could be' came out of this. People change and make mistakes. There is no way of knowing the potential future here. It's equally possible that Doom makes good on his promises to be a better version of himself and they go on to have a long and faithful relationship. A single mistake neither defines a person nor serves as evidence that they are bound to repeat the same mistake. It was definitely a breach of trust and Doom was correct to be upset but I don't think it's definitive proof that she didn't love him or could never love him.
Makes me wonder how Johnny manages to breath when he flames on. You’d think his flames would burn all the oxygen away before it could reach his nose or mouth.
@@megamandrn001 oh, also, the marvel Ruins story actually plays with that one if I remember correctly. Assuming I’m not misremembering, Sue is the only one who survives the mission in that universe, with Johnny, Reed, and Victor (Ben refused to go on the mission in that timeline and was replaced by victor) all dying, while Sue became permanently invisible and also blind because of it.
I'd like to go on record that what happened to Johnny was not by accident or more exactly unprovoked. He slept with Dr.Dooms fiancé(and during said time had doom been married forgiven all resentment towards the fantastic four and no longer be their enemy.). He also had a girlfriend(or life mate it was pushed on him but still in a relationship). So i still feel bad for him but kind of deserved it.
Emplifying each power would be evil. Reed becomes liquid and out of form, Ben would be paralyzed into a statue, Johnny would kill or burn everything in his area and Sue would disappear from anyones perception, becoming a ghost.
Each is a different flavor of horrifying to be sure. Doom was likely aware of what amplifying the cosmic radiation mutations might do but he was so upset with Johnny in particular that he didn't care. What was supposed to be a burying the hatchet moment just ended up intensifying the animosity between Doom and the Fantastic Four.
In this case I get it. Ben’s saying Johnny’s tough, but I think Reed’s thinking about him too. Saying they can’t tell how bad he might be taking things.
I’ve noticed that’s usually the case with smart character, either they say the wrong things or can’t help making jokes. No matter what though they can’t shut up
@@quaktoons331 well Sheldon’s a gross exaggeration of this type but Peter park is a good example of not shutting up when needed as he can’t help but makes jokes.
I hope we see moments like this when the FF comes back into movies. I love that they're Marvel's first family but it's these moments that ground them really really well
There is a issue of ultimate Fantastic Four, where Sue storm comes into a bathroom to see Ben Grimm crying whilst holding a mangled razor blade or scissors. A single panel explained so much about how the Thing truly feels.
Yeah Johnny screwed up big time his soulmate and him were literally bound so she could basically feel him cheating and even she mutated and left back to her people saying she'll be back for a cure.......for Ben. Not mention doom was literally going to bury the hatchet reed was his best man at the wedding t'challa and namor were there and when everyone was shocked when it was revealed namor just burst out laughing 😂.
It's moments like this while I really hate the character so much.He's such a d*** man.Child and causes problems for everyone around him including himself
Can't produce tears. That's sad, cause besides ur expression, tears shows it to b true. Most don't know this, but when Johnny flames on, he burns away all the dirt an impurities. So he dosen't need to shower or brush his teeth.
From what i heard Tears can help human to calm down Now imagine you are devastated and want to calm down But the thing your body produce to calm you down is evaporated is so... Sad
It's like so weird that Doom is so petty to the point where he'll do things to the other fantastic Four. Everyone knows they strictly hates Reed we're completely justifiable reasonings because you know reads evil in every timeline except this one. I get that's some invincible level like angstrom Levy type " Well other versions of your evil so you must be too" Like at the same time main timeline 616 read has also multiple times now gone off the fucking deep end and went evil on his own right. Like he's the leader of The fantastic Four but unironically he has been a larger threat even as the individual 616 version of him then Doom ever was
The sheer amount of times his projects went Close to destroying the world... He does not need to be evil just the fact he's soo smart and still stupid is already enough reason to hate him.
This story specifically wasn't to get back at Reed in any way, Doom had offered to bury the hatchet with the F4 and even made a show of having all his weapons and plans to fight them ordered destroyed, as Doom had proposed and asked Reed to be his best man at the wedding. Johnny slept with Doom's fiance behind his back and the cosmic beam he hit Johnny with was one of the more time consuming to destroy weapons he had left so he hadn't gotten it dealt with by the time he learned what Johnny had done
Damn this was really sad and it made me feel that personally, Ben said the right thing he knew exactly how to deal with the situation, HE FELT FOR HIM I mean what a punishment
I don’t refer to the members of the Fantastic Four by their hero names only their real names in my mind. It’s because of the Fantastic Four Earth’s Greatest Heroes. They all refer to each other by name. So that’s how I refer to them. They are just Reed, Sue, Johnny, and Ben to me. That’s Marvel’s First Family.
She didn't omfg pick up a comic book Her alternate reality versions did (in 1234 and life story) but main timeline Sue never did, she's ride or die with that dude (she literally took down the avengers 1vall for him)
@@JeiCat-zg3iq First, the two are actually involved in the comic THIS video is based on; with moments of tension between Reed and Susan. Second: I want to make it clear that I love her character when she's done well. But someone wrote it, or Marvel Editorial mandated it. It's character assassination to me. It is ambiguous as to whether or not they touched naughty bits, but the temptation was there and that is at the very least; not something to ever forget.
@@XXMatt0040XX no they aren't???? Namor only appeared in the wedding and in nothing else in this specific run, he only interacted with T'challa even and not once with Sue The tension with Reed and Sue is on the first few issues cuz he barely helped for Ben's wedding cuz he was making the time stopper thing incase someone tried to ruin Ben and Alicia's wedding
Johnny did kind of bring it upon himself though tbh. He did sleep with Dr. Dooms wife and this is Doom were taking about so of course it something terrible like this
When you meet the sentries always attack the ones on the extremes not the one in the middle it dosent matter if the one in the middle have the least health
Dr. Doom will always be menace, he likes what he sees, going to cop it, if he sees someone enjoying their life going to ruin it, people asking for refuge, why is that his problem
Technically it's Johnny's fault. Doom was done was gonna put everything behind them Reed was his best man but then Johnny went ahead and got with Dooms bride right before the wedding when Johnny was married as well. So it sucks but karma
Really dominating this game indeed, Germany is on 🔥 2 first goals in 20 min. And 5 goals Ooooof this is the biggest game bringer in the whole tournament so far
you know the funny bit about all this. Gold is a metal that comes from an ore that can be found in stone The Thing is covered in stone so of course his heart is golden
Kinda deserved it tbh, Johnny cheated on his fiance. (Fantastic Four #36 2021)
*inserts spongebob meme* HE WHAT
Don’t forget that they were wearing bracelets that basically soul bonded them. So, she felt every minute of him cheating on her with Victorious.
@@curtiscooper343 Yeah. And then he tried to pass it off as “she’s the only one that believed in this soul mate thing”. Even though he obviously approved and didn’t go against it when it was convenient. Then his beef with Dr Doom turned her into a monster.
One of those worse Johnny moments that they pass off because he’s family.
Call me crazy, but that seems like an extreme punishment
@@guyfeeyeti375 It is extreme but it is Doom ( he’s mostly honourable and doesn’t accept humiliation) and Johnny never learns. His family always gets him out of trouble. Not to say Johnny isn’t a good guy because he is a good guy. But the guy always messes around girls or takes unnecessary risks.
And this guy was flirting with the girl in front of Doom after the confession!
How do you sleep with someone’s fiancé then seduce them in front of the enraged boy friend.
Honestly it’s not like Johnny is new to being the human torch. Considering he may have ruined Dr Doom’s happily ever after this is a cheap price.
Dr Doom is willing to risk his soul and square up against marvel’s devil once a year to save his mother.
He willing to walk in unprotected and allow a psychic supervillain capable of controlling the whole world to have a fair battle of wills. And the guy couldn’t enter Doom’s head ( the purple man).
Reed Richards is Johnny brother-in- law so despite Dr Doom’s talk on it never being cured. There’s a high chance Reed will figure it out later.
And maybe Johnny will actually be a little considerate and less head strong. If anyone died due to Doom’s rage at being humiliated who should Johnny blame?
Doom who he made wear a green hat in front of the whole world who wants to get even with him (but knows no one will ever allow him to). Or Johnny who proposed and went through with seducing someone’s fiancé. While Johnny literally had his possible soul mate with him for weeks or months!
People forget how emotionally nuanced characters like the Fantastic Four genuinely are. Johnny, when he's not immature, egotistical or comic relief, is actually a really emotionally fragile person with moments of imposter syndrome and can go through as much as any person can
Those characteristics you listed for Johnny are all classic mechanisms people use to protect themselves emotionally, proving your point further.
That’s why some comedians are sometimes the most depressed people
i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people don't give the fantastic four credit... partially because we've had over a decade of the main "Marvel" media excluding them as much as humanly possible thanks to Perlmutter and the MCU, and the FF don't have as much classic star power to remain culturally visible like the X-Men do
Ummm...correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this after Johnny had a beef with Dr Doom which turned his then gf into a monster whom he cheated on while wearing a bracelet that literally let them feel everything in this issue? Yeah.... there's a reason Victor called Reed a hypocrite
@@dibyaudhdas1978are you actually siding with doom right now? The same person who destroyed an entire universe because an alternate version of himself who had the perfect life told him to stop being petty
Dr doom really said
“You’ll win but you’ll never eat again”
He said you’ve won the cooking battle but you’ll never get a taste of the food wars
*_Forever barred from the gates of Flavor Town_*
@@AnnoyingNewsletters truly the worst fate
He's in a living hell and can't even see the kitchen
The food shall be MINE
boy!
The fact that Johnny involuntarily destroys everything he touches, and can't even cry about it is so sad. Really shows how much of a curse superpowers can be.
some power can be blessing and others are just a curse
Serves him right for cheating on his fiance with victorious.
@@charlieflight6124 Welcome to the world of being horrible to a person when they're at their lowest point.
@@artyd42Not my problem, you reap what you sow, and you will get a bountiful harvest.
@@artyd42He sleeps with someone else's bride. You could say he didn't know who she was but he himself was already in a relationship during that time he did it. If anything this is karma.
This is like the human torch parody in The Venture Bros, who needs to live in a vacuum chamber because being exposed to oxygen causes him to burst into flames. Even though he's not allowed a normal life, he's still happy knowing the people he loves aren't in danger, and believes in their ability to find a solution.
Till not mr fantastic takes him out and turns him into a generator after not sue leaves him and inexplicably doesn’t take him with her
I think he also feels every bit of the burning even if it doesn't harm him.
@@coolsquid22 because not sue had a child with Dr. Venture. After that, Not Mr fantastic had an alcoholic breakdown and became a villain afterwards.
the original human torch who was created before johny, was actually an android who catches fire when exposed to oxygen, so his creator kept him in a vacuum chamber.
A yes burning Cody, poor bastard
That sucks so bad, he can’t even live normally now. When reed says the reason he never cries it’s just so sad.
Edit: 7/17/2024: I’ve never gotten this many likes before
To be fair he brought it upon himself.
@@huntertezzTrue they aren't remembering that he caused all these problems by Having an affair with doctor dooms fiance you get what you get buddy. He also cheese on that skrull girlfriend.So i'm not feeling sorry for him.
@@brandonfitzgerald-eo3tk, he didn’t know she was engaged, much less to doom.
@@ADAJ342 O k still cheated on his girlfriend who was a skrull
@@ADAJ342 Yes he did, he literally tried convincing Zora to leave Doom and be with him EVEN THO JOHNNY IS ALREADY TAKEN.
To be fair, Johny sort of had it coming by sleeping with Doom's bride to be. *Especially* after Doom promised the Fantastic Four he'd bury the hatchet with them if the wedding went through.
Wait really ? Yeah Johnny fucked up
And Johnny was with an alien girl who was supposed to be his soulmate at the time too. So he not only ruined Doom’s relationship but also his own
Yeap. Johnny deserved this one hundred percent. Also Doom was keeping his word. He ordered every weapon and plan he had made for fighting the Fantastic Four to be destroyed immediately. Except for this Cosmic ray gun because it was too dangerous to dismantle quickly so he was going to do it after the wedding. Then the Human Torch fked up and Doom went "fk it" and blasted him with it
Ah, so that's whom Spiderman writers train upon? @@Jayster-ud9om
That wedding was probably the only chance for doom to start healing and become the benevolent ruler he truly wants to be
The fact that Richard "heartless" Reed says something as emotionally articulate as goong "he physically cant cry" is 1) amazing 2) maybe the writers have finally figured out Stan wasnt going for "comeplete dick" but "stiff upper lip scientist"
idk man there are quite a few versions of Reid that make complete dick seem like a compliment
How can a man turned into pure stone have such a strong heart of gold
Aunt Petunia raised him well [:
His heart is pure rose quartz or rhodonite
Well, ore is typically found in stone.
I'm not sure if you know this but the Thing is such a soft guy. Everyone judges him by his appearance and he's left alone (most of the time, outright avoided).
On the inside, he's still human. He grew up in a tough place and tries helping others as much as he can
This was weak ngl
Remember, this all happened because Johnny slept with Dr. Dooms finance. And tried to convince her to leave doom and come with him instead the night before their wedding. Safe to say he had this coming. 😂
My favorite part was Namor laughing his ass off
@@Gabe600 My favorite Namor scene's him seeing Doom for dinner, hoping for help.
And is just denied.
Fiancee*
Don't forget he was soul bonded to another woman so she felt him laying pipe
@@gaminganimators7000 Oh, brother. That's just brutal.
This seriously reevaluates the phrase "I gained so much power, but at what cost?"
I wanna feel bad for him, but this is entirely his own fault. Bro slept with Doom's Fiance right before their wedding, and that's why Doom did this to him. Bro even said he'd stop trying to conquer earth and tried to bury the hatchet with the 4. But Johnny decided to Johnny.
Don't forget the part where he screwed up his relationship with his alien skrull girlfriend. And that's the reason why I hate the character so much.He's such a stupid man child
And had a girlfriend. Who could feel what Johnny felt. So she felt everything while Johnny was cheating on her. Yeah, real asshole move
Johnny didn't know she was the fiance, in his defence
@@thewintersaint And yet Johnny was already in a relationship at the time.
@@thewintersaintyet, bro still cheated on his own girl. 😂
The Thing Ben Grim is one of the best most underrated Marvel characters probably of all time some of his solo content is some of the best honestly
Johnnys True Friend.
Just one thing...that doesn't mean he doesn't cry, it just means his tears evaporate as they come. He experiences crying, like his chest heaves and he feels bad, he just doesn't literally have liquid coming out of his face
Oh good you also understood it, he can cry he just doesn't shed tears. I love it Thank you for pointing that out too
FINALLY SOMEONE TALKS ABOUT THIS
As a Johnny hater he got exactly what he deserved. Doom had to put him in his place after ruining everything at the wedding. Idrc that he went through this because sleeping with the fiancé of your arch nemesis who BTW was ready to stop tormenting the FF, made peace with Reed by actually asking him to be his best man, finally started to respect Grimm and Johnny ruined it all.
Also he’s a player that constantly cheats so like yeah eff Johnny for being the worse
Nerd
Yep. I was looking at this and I'm like "You f around and now you find out. That's f up."
Don't say stupid things.
Don't say stupid things. @@adryan1967
@@scottchaison1001 facts = stupid
Yh he definitely deserved it. He has so many love interests, but decided to sleep with Doom’s singular one. Doom doesn’t love easily. The guy is too proud, noble and stoic to easily love other people.
There are very few people he loves and it’s always complicated.
His mum. But she’s dead and disowned him for “betraying” his friend to save her. But from Dr Strange’s dialogue it seems like that is what he wanted to happen. Because while he could get Mephisto to give him his mother’s soul. that wouldn’t guarantee it going to heaven. His mother wouldn’t be happy. And he would tarnish his honour. But by making his mum think he did - She would reject it (as she’s his lovely and dearly missed mother), disown him, and her noble sacrifice would allow her to go to heaven (which is what happened). The comic leaves it ambiguous as Doom doesn’t answer when Dr Strange suspects he planned it that way. And leaves Dr Doom as he knows it’s sad.
Or Valeria Richard. Who is his beloved god daughter and share a special bond with him. It’s always nice to see their interaction as he genuinely cares and loves her. But they can’t usually be together as she knows he would kill her family, particularly her father, if he could. And she can’t change that. They only have disagreements when she’s saving the fantastic 4 and it’s never personal. He’s a good mentor to her…though he did try to conquer the world secretly through their projects one time.
Sounds like he did doom a favor cheating is a two way street if she really loved doom she wouldn't have cheated
@@dandelion1469 True. But Johnny Storm has a lot of skills getting the girls. I think Doom and Victorious could have legitimately been a thing.
@@dandelion1469 Johnny was in a relationship. Rejected another proposition for a relationship. Then decided to sleep with Victorious in the midst of a relationship.
Johnny Storm may be an immature, annoying brat. But he knows how to pull I can’t deny that.
@@barrondub1125 i mean yea definitely not cool what he did but if the girl was willing to cheat on doom she didnt love him so i think he lucked out better tp find out now than latet
@@dandelion1469 Lots of 'could be' came out of this. People change and make mistakes. There is no way of knowing the potential future here. It's equally possible that Doom makes good on his promises to be a better version of himself and they go on to have a long and faithful relationship. A single mistake neither defines a person nor serves as evidence that they are bound to repeat the same mistake. It was definitely a breach of trust and Doom was correct to be upset but I don't think it's definitive proof that she didn't love him or could never love him.
Makes me wonder how Johnny manages to breath when he flames on. You’d think his flames would burn all the oxygen away before it could reach his nose or mouth.
Same reason Sue can see while bending light around her
@@megamandrn001 or how, Johnny somehow is fine in space I guess
@@megamandrn001 oh, also, the marvel Ruins story actually plays with that one if I remember correctly. Assuming I’m not misremembering, Sue is the only one who survives the mission in that universe, with Johnny, Reed, and Victor (Ben refused to go on the mission in that timeline and was replaced by victor) all dying, while Sue became permanently invisible and also blind because of it.
Save your tears. Doom did this to Johnny because he snaked his fiancée.
Not being able to physically cry, is the most painfulest thing in the world
Try having your heart ripped out of your chest and then stomped on repeatedly cuz your significant other cheated on you.
So doom just made him like the venture bros version minus being in pain? Ha
I'd like to go on record that what happened to Johnny was not by accident or more exactly unprovoked. He slept with Dr.Dooms fiancé(and during said time had doom been married forgiven all resentment towards the fantastic four and no longer be their enemy.). He also had a girlfriend(or life mate it was pushed on him but still in a relationship). So i still feel bad for him but kind of deserved it.
The emotion and depth of the fantastic 4 is so well written 👌amazing video
@@djashovelSpider-Man gets to cry whenever he wants to.
Emplifying each power would be evil. Reed becomes liquid and out of form, Ben would be paralyzed into a statue, Johnny would kill or burn everything in his area and Sue would disappear from anyones perception, becoming a ghost.
Each is a different flavor of horrifying to be sure. Doom was likely aware of what amplifying the cosmic radiation mutations might do but he was so upset with Johnny in particular that he didn't care. What was supposed to be a burying the hatchet moment just ended up intensifying the animosity between Doom and the Fantastic Four.
Alternate title: The smartest man on earth doesn't know when to shut up
In this case I get it. Ben’s saying Johnny’s tough, but I think Reed’s thinking about him too. Saying they can’t tell how bad he might be taking things.
@@sf-1_raptor
I think you're giving him too much credit. The guy obviously doesn't know how to read a room.
I’ve noticed that’s usually the case with smart character, either they say the wrong things or can’t help making jokes. No matter what though they can’t shut up
@@Niclopez0305
I really don't like Sheldon types
@@quaktoons331 well Sheldon’s a gross exaggeration of this type but Peter park is a good example of not shutting up when needed as he can’t help but makes jokes.
I hope we see moments like this when the FF comes back into movies. I love that they're Marvel's first family but it's these moments that ground them really really well
Nah, he earned this fate.
How
@Larry-pm7nh he slept with Doom's fiance, right when Doom was in the process of reforming and squashing his beef with the FF.
@@cosmicghost811 is that the reason this happened
@@Larry-pm7nh yes.
@@cosmicghost811 oh then let him burn
70 percent of reed’s personality is “umm actually 🤓👆” while the other 30 percent is him having a mental breakdown or an existential crisis
Sue can't catch a break... But this felt so depressing. Not being able to let your sadness flow out... ouf!
He needs Prof. Xavier. If anyone knows about watching abilities that can't be controlled, it's him. If this hasn't been resolved yet, I'm calling it.
I can relate: my mom calls me 'manos de estómago' or 'stomach hands' cuz everything I touch goes to shit (ie breaks)😢
Crazy, the mofo that kept doing pranks, is the one Ben can relate to. And Im guessing Johnny can't power down either.
Nope. He’s stuck like this until marvel decides he’s had enough
It's times like this that I get why Doom hates Reed so much
He is just jealous. Literally; that's it.
Source: Quote from God King Doom himself at the climax of the Secret Wars vs Reed.
He didn't even do anything here wtf do you mean, he's the most compliant person about the wedding even
Nah, this one was entirely Johnny’s fault.
There is a issue of ultimate Fantastic Four, where Sue storm comes into a bathroom to see Ben Grimm crying whilst holding a mangled razor blade or scissors.
A single panel explained so much about how the Thing truly feels.
Yeah Johnny screwed up big time his soulmate and him were literally bound so she could basically feel him cheating and even she mutated and left back to her people saying she'll be back for a cure.......for Ben.
Not mention doom was literally going to bury the hatchet reed was his best man at the wedding t'challa and namor were there and when everyone was shocked when it was revealed namor just burst out laughing 😂.
It's moments like this while I really hate the character so much.He's such a d*** man.Child and causes problems for everyone around him including himself
I’m happy you’re reading more fanatic four, they’re so underrated. I recommend to read the current run by Ryan north
Damn this is sad living in a form you can't control, and it kills anything you touch
Living off borrowed time. The clock ticks faster
That’s a long explanation for “fire man can’t make eyes water” like 😂
Thing: "How do I pee?!?!?"
You know it’s bad when Ben Grinm is consoling you.
Yeah I mean I feel bad but I remember why this happened to him and bro brought his upon himself in a stupendous fashion.
You don't need tears to cry
No Herbie! he just melted to death bruh. 😢
This was so deep, I appreciate the comic creators and the way they can touch on just about any topic with their illustrations and information
That’s why I like t’chala and tony because they don’t use their brains to make other people think less of themselves
Serves him right. Now face the consequences Johnny Storm.
Ben Grimm is once again proving he’s the greatest guy in comics
I always thought Ben was the heart of the FF & Johnny represented the cool factor.
Damn it Reed!
For a smart man he's quite stupid for speaking when it be a good to shut up.
Like my Gawd that will be a good story to put on the big screen ..like u dont even have to change anything ..like damn
The not being able to eat part is so messed up. Never even thought about that.
Can't produce tears. That's sad, cause besides ur expression, tears shows it to b true.
Most don't know this, but when Johnny flames on, he burns away all the dirt an impurities. So he dosen't need to shower or brush his teeth.
".... we see the character who burns so brightly fall into a deep depression"
Only Dr Doom would do something as crazy as giving his enemy a power up simply to fuck with them.
From what i heard
Tears can help human to calm down
Now imagine you are devastated and want to calm down
But the thing your body produce to calm you down is evaporated is so... Sad
It's like so weird that Doom is so petty to the point where he'll do things to the other fantastic Four. Everyone knows they strictly hates Reed we're completely justifiable reasonings because you know reads evil in every timeline except this one. I get that's some invincible level like angstrom Levy type " Well other versions of your evil so you must be too" Like at the same time main timeline 616 read has also multiple times now gone off the fucking deep end and went evil on his own right. Like he's the leader of The fantastic Four but unironically he has been a larger threat even as the individual 616 version of him then Doom ever was
The sheer amount of times his projects went
Close to destroying the world...
He does not need to be evil just the fact he's soo smart and still stupid is already enough reason to hate him.
This story specifically wasn't to get back at Reed in any way, Doom had offered to bury the hatchet with the F4 and even made a show of having all his weapons and plans to fight them ordered destroyed, as Doom had proposed and asked Reed to be his best man at the wedding. Johnny slept with Doom's fiance behind his back and the cosmic beam he hit Johnny with was one of the more time consuming to destroy weapons he had left so he hadn't gotten it dealt with by the time he learned what Johnny had done
The Thing is literally pretty much what dysphoria is if that description is right
What's funny is this is Reed's version of a mental breakdown.
The art is so good damn!
Reminds me of the venture bros
Johnny even says it's next to impossible for him to sleep in this form as his eyes glow through his eyelids
Sucks because sometimes that’s all somebody needs is to do is cry it out.
Damn this was really sad and it made me feel that personally, Ben said the right thing he knew exactly how to deal with the situation, HE FELT FOR HIM
I mean what a punishment
I don’t refer to the members of the Fantastic Four by their hero names only their real names in my mind. It’s because of the Fantastic Four Earth’s Greatest Heroes. They all refer to each other by name. So that’s how I refer to them. They are just Reed, Sue, Johnny, and Ben to me. That’s Marvel’s First Family.
We forget that, despite they not being real, they are people too, just im another dimension
Fantastic Four’s character writing is unmatched
When I lost my fiance, I cried so much that eventually I couldn't anymore. Those moments were the worst. I needed to, but couldn't.
"this side of the pillow is hot.. oh wait-"
Reed Richards is the Marvel Universe's greatest idiot savant. He can invent guns that destroy Galactus, but cannot realize social cues.
I'm pretty sure Reed is kinda mad at Johnny
54:42 “ essa parte me pegou os cara comendo de boa e no próximo frame o maluco passou voando 😂😂” continue o bom trabalho
That is what Johnny deserves for cheating on his own girlfriend and on Doom's fiance
"Why is he unable to cry?"
*sees the dude is literally fire
"I think I know why"
Fab is so positive and I’m so happy this movie is finally out ❤
Worth a quick mention: Susan Storm cheated on Reed with Namor too.
And almost with Black Panther.
Wow, I can't believe I didn't know about that...
Susan Storm really cannot be trusted.
She didn't omfg pick up a comic book
Her alternate reality versions did (in 1234 and life story) but main timeline Sue never did, she's ride or die with that dude (she literally took down the avengers 1vall for him)
@@JeiCat-zg3iq First, the two are actually involved in the comic THIS video is based on; with moments of tension between Reed and Susan.
Second: I want to make it clear that I love her character when she's done well. But someone wrote it, or Marvel Editorial mandated it. It's character assassination to me.
It is ambiguous as to whether or not they touched naughty bits, but the temptation was there and that is at the very least; not something to ever forget.
@@XXMatt0040XX no they aren't???? Namor only appeared in the wedding and in nothing else in this specific run, he only interacted with T'challa even and not once with Sue
The tension with Reed and Sue is on the first few issues cuz he barely helped for Ben's wedding cuz he was making the time stopper thing incase someone tried to ruin Ben and Alicia's wedding
when someone who could have become the perfect villain decides to stay the hero...
This is cool. Keep up the good work
This short hits me in the feels 😭
Ben: "Johny is a tough kid, that's why he never cries"
Reed: Akchyually...
The ending reminded me of how Dabi from MHA is physically unable to cry due to his fire permanently burning away his tear ducts.
O no the consequence of his own actions. Seriously why would you sleep with Dr doom’s bride.
Johnny did kind of bring it upon himself though tbh. He did sleep with Dr. Dooms wife and this is Doom were taking about so of course it something terrible like this
It's always the smart ones that read books on quantum physics who can never read the room.
Not being able to cry is a good thing bro
Tbh him n iceman so underrated...
Because he's made of literal fire.
I get there was a little more connect to add, but it’s fairly obvious why somebody who is all flame can’t at all or fully produce tears.
When you meet the sentries always attack the ones on the extremes not the one in the middle it dosent matter if the one in the middle have the least health
So Johnny has a sensitive spot too.❤️
Beware of slime cards, can make you take preety bad turns if not exhausted
Dr. Doom will always be menace, he likes what he sees, going to cop it, if he sees someone enjoying their life going to ruin it, people asking for refuge, why is that his problem
If only Disney would put stories like this to film. We all know the new Fantastic 4 movie is going to bomb. It’s sad.
He's gotta create a persona to protect himself
I like complex characters with real vices.
Technically it's Johnny's fault. Doom was done was gonna put everything behind them Reed was his best man but then Johnny went ahead and got with Dooms bride right before the wedding when Johnny was married as well. So it sucks but karma
Really dominating this game indeed, Germany is on 🔥 2 first goals in 20 min. And 5 goals
Ooooof this is the biggest game bringer
in the whole tournament so far
Smartest person my ass
Adamantium needle its suppose to be a rare metal and the government gotten all of it where did he got it
Did you hear that they put "Its morbin time" into a comic with Morbius? 😂
"I don't know what that is but if you utter it again I will dismember you limb from limb"
you know the funny bit about all this. Gold is a metal that comes from an ore that can be found in stone
The Thing is covered in stone so of course his heart is golden
I feel like this question answered itself
This actually is a pretty good manga and I would love to see a continuation to the better parts.