Its a great idea for those of u who are bad mouthing it... a 6 cylinder diesel hosts a lot of options and opportunities for Ram buyers. If u don't like the engine, Than simply don't buy the truck with it. I think its awesome. Great gas milage, and a butt load of torque is great. I would want that engine in my Jeep if I bought one. But that Hemi in my opinion is best in the Ram 1500's
Look kids, this is a review.... not a hate forum. If you don't like an automatic than go complain to Chrysler. This is a truck REVIEW, not a Prius fan page or I hate Fast Lane Truck page.
what's with all the hater comments?! The rep clearly said they STILL HAVE the Cummins diesel in the heavy duty models. This smaller diesel engine is for the light duty models only, and you can still opt for petrol power, so wtf's up with all the complaining?! In any regard, this new engine is made by world renowned VM Motori in Italy. Move outside of the USA, and few would have heard about Cummins made engines. Europe builds the most high tech and refined diesels so my money is on this new unit rather than those loud, crude Cummins units.
I totally agree with you. In the 90's, European cost of gasoline led most manufacturers to invest a lot on diesel technology, and now the great majority of euro customers drive diesel cars, which are fast, and price effective. Trust us and our technology.
Personally, I don't haul much more than 3000 lbs. I drive a 2000 lb 2 seater car that gets up to 35 mpg freeway and usually 30 combined. But I'm a bit tired of the safety issues...but don't want to give up the mpg. This truck is a good solution for me
This and only this type of engines is the right one for half ton trucks. 6 cylinder Diesels in in the ~3.0L area. Massive torque, great towing capacity and very very good mileage. Only the price is ridiculous. But that's not the engines fault...
not only did they have it, but it was widely popular way past the 70's to the late 90's, may not have been powerful but it ran. something thats hard to miss
IMO this engine really doesn't make sense. It costs around $3500 more than the 5.7L Hemi, yet offers less rated towing and payload capacity. It also costs slightly more than a comparably equipped F-150 Ecoboost, which offers far more towing and payload capacity. Granted the diesel Ram gets better fuel economy (Motor trend got 26 hwy with a 4x4/3.92 ED Ram, vs. 21 hwy for the 4x4/3.73 EB F-150), but with the higher cost of diesel, I wonder if it is really worth it. I personally think Ford has the right idea. Turbocharged gas direct injected engines are the way to go. Small diesels don't make much sense in the US. Our emissions regulations make them too expensive and choke too much power from them. Not to mention the cost of diesel fuel negates most of the fuel economy benefit.
26 MPG with a full sized, 4 wheel drive truck with a 3.92 rear end and this doesn't make sense? Edit: I read your comment again, thought I should futher elaborate on my thoughts... Granted, the ford has a higher payload and towing rating, but I don't think that this will be the main focus for the Eco Diesel. I believe that this truck is aimed towards buyers who want a truck, but with economy still in mind. I had a 2012 Ram CC Sport that I traded after 4 months because I was driving 40k miles a year at the time. Buying that truck was a bad decision on my part. I loved the truck and hated to get rid of it, but it just made sense to do so. I traded it for a 13 Passat TDI until my driving slows down (and it finally has) I have a family ranch that I'm at every weekend. For me, this truck will still give me the capability of a truck, but with the fuel economy that I need without going broke. It may not match with the F150's numbers, but it is still a very capable truck that is worth considering for someone that would like that diesel fuel economy. I have a feeling that people will be seeing 28+ in real world driving... Passat is rated at 40 highway, I get 50+ all day long.
Not when you're paying 60 cents more per gallon for fuel. A 4x4 3.73 Ecoboost F-150 can get 21mpg, which at $3.20 a gallon equals a cost per mile of 15.2 cents. The 4x4 3.92 Ram Eco Diesel gets 26mpg, which at $3.80 a gallon equals a cost per mile of 14.6 cents. Factor in the higher maintenance costs of a diesel and the cost to own those two trucks is virtually identical. The MSRPs are nearly identical as well. So basically with the Eco Diesel Ram, you're paying Ecoboost F-150 money for a truck that has essentially the same ownership costs, but has 2,000lbs less towing capacity and is 2 seconds slower 0-60 unladen.
splewy Diesel is always more expensive in the winter when they have the shitty winter blends, but it seems like out here in chicago, gas goes higher in the summer time. diesel stays right around 3.90 all year, gas is around 3.40 in the winter and 4.20 in the summer.
Once again, great review gents. I really like this truck and may be in the market later this year. I just might have to give this one serious consideration.
This engine should have debuted in the Jeep wrangler and Ram should have redesigned the Dakota and brought it back for a truck with a small diesel engine, that what I would have done but hell what do I know. I'm just some guy who keeps putting diesels in Wranglers and Dakotas for people because that what they want. I with Chrysler would pay attention to its buyers.
The Cummins can't be that important to you if you don't even know the proper name. Amazing how many people tout the Cummins and then....call it the Cummings. Also, Cummins doesn't have a diesel of this size, that's why they went this route. It would be pointless to use the 5.0L V8 version the Titan would get since it would defeat the purpose of what they're going for which was maximum fuel efficiency AND towing. The Cummins powerplant will probably put up decent mpg numbers but it won't come close to putting up upper 20's numbers like this does. A lot of clueless people complaining here it seems.
You know Dodge really disappoints me now. Ford went through the economic downturn while not needing bailout money, GM took bailout money but managed to pay most back and still retained the GM name, Dodge goes through the same situation and ends up being owned by goddamn Fiat. I'm sure Fiat probably does certain things okay, but you can't look at Dodge the same anymore, especially not their trucks.
ConstructiveGamer Ram is just a spin off from Dodge. But it is still under Chrysler. And Fiat is to buy out full control of Chrysler soon, for 3.65 billions. So OP is right, Fiat have full control, or soon will have, over Chrysler and all of its sub-divisions, including Dodge and RAM.
fiat owns Lamborghini and don't forget Mercedes owns part of Chrysler. but ford yes didn't take the bail out neither did dodge but the reason ford didn't is because they pulled anchor and moved to Europe while dodge toughed it out here.
187ffkev Do you know that your statement is full of wrong informations? I advice you to go back and do your own research before making yourself looking funny again @ a public place.
Thank you for shaing this. Looking at this truck especially after driving my 2003 Ram. I love the truck but now doing more high mileage driving I need something with better mileage and this is probably going to be my next vehicle. It sounds great.
Depends - best ever was 28.8mpg on a 10hr round trip drive from WI to IN and back. Normal averages have been in the 26mpg range as I do drive 85% hwy driving. Worst has been over the winter, been getting about 22-24mpg depending on the tank since we've been between 0-32*F outside. Got about 27mpg on my trip from WI to FL and back. I have a couple videos on my page too, including a cold-start video if you're interested.
tsr6 going 55mph I get about 24mpgs with my cold air intake in my hemi ram. It's a reg cab shortbed express blackout edition 4x4 with 3.21 axle and 6spd. Intake added maybe 1 mpg and btw I am at about 7000ft. 0-60 is 7.9 which translates to about the 6.1 range at sea level.
This is just weird.Dodge is well known as a Cummins powered diesel.Yet they go with a European diesel.Nissan will be using a Cummins diesel in their pickup.LOL
Cummins doesn't make a small displacement diesel as they said in the video. It' a light duty truck so the truck couldn't handle and wouldn't make sense to use what cummins offers.
McGillicutty88 Yes Cummins does make small diesel engines. The ISF 2.8 and ISF 3.8. Plus they could have contracted with Cummins for an engine if they wanted to.
It's actually a GM/Fiat diesel originally designed for the European Cadillac CTS. This review seems to be a little biased towards Ram trucks I'm sure that's why they failed to mention it.
Tim Webster It was mentioned several times when they did the up close video of it, so why go through it all again? This was just a 0-60 vid. The TFL is so Ford biased, it's a miracle they didn't just set the truck on fire and call it a piece of junk. Forget the TFL if you want a good and honest Ram or GM review.
Cummins is only in the super duty and that's where it belongs. it's not meant to drive around and hang out with your buddies and show off, it's designed for work not the average joe.
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I love this truck. I want one so bad. Its the ultimate truck with a small powerful turbo deisel that is very easy on your wallet but still get all the jobs done. Plus with that air suspension you probably feel that your driving a luxury car. They just got the perfect formula for my ideal truck.
meh if they were going to go add a diesel option for the 1500s they should have used the 5.6L V8 Cummins and be done with it. No Cummins no buy. Great idea poor execution.
Bought one. Have had nothing but trouble with sensors...been in the shop 3 times..and now I am being told that it could take weeks to get a part from the factory. All of this with less than 9000 miles. Won't buy another.
What did i say about shitty italian engines last week (last month, last year)? And what, you must wait weeks to get parts? Ironic, I live in europe and if i need any part From USA for my old 1st series Dodge Durango 5,9 R/T, it takes maximum 9-10 days and for price (INCLUDING shipping which is HUGE), which is less than if i go personally in near part store for shitty italian engines. Ha ha, leave VM motori, you have Cummins - or HEMI - or whatever american... All the money you'll save on fuel (on this ecodiesel engine), you'll spend on servicing this semi-italian truck.
I recently read that the Tundra is coming with the same 5.0L Cummins for 2016. Now they need to listen to the masses and put it in a work truck model (cheaper and not all the car add-ons) for people who want to use it as a truck!!!
$55k is for a Longhorn Edition. I have one, I shit you not the interior beats any luxury car. This coming from a former owner of 2000 Audi S4 2012 C300
PainBaller03 I love my 3500 DRW Limited. But to say that it beats any luxury car? Been in a Merc S class, Porsche 991 or Range Rover lately, just to name a few? It's a truck, nothing more, a nice one, but that's it. It's no where near my DD 991, the leather alone is not, let's say, impressive.
This engine is a true jewel. It is currently installed in the new Grand Cherokee rated at 250 hp and 560 Nm, in the Lancia Thema - Chrysler 300 and in the new Maserati Ghibli at 275 hp. Under the hood of Grand Cherokee, it replaces the old 3.0 V6 218 hp 510 Nm made by Mercedes Benz. Trust it.
MudSnow Since when, if ever, have Italian automakers been known for their reliability? Lancia rust buckets, Alfa Romeo being known for unreliability, even the bigger names like Maserati and Lamborghini were hardly world renown for their reliability. They are no Volvo, VW, Honda or Lincoln that's for sure
manrightchea You are speaking of reliability problems of many years ago. Nowadays the brands you cite sell a lot of cars in European market and they have been awarded by international committee. Have a look at the rewards won by Fiat gasoline Multiair Engine, or by Alfa Giulietta itself. By the way, Fiat group was the first one to develop and sell common rail technology for diesel engines.
MudSnow Perhaps they are better today and I don't doubt they are, however you are talking about European Markets. I live in the Southwestern United States, and the surface temp off the asphalt in the sun in the summer can be 140 degrees. So to that point is there a turbochargers on this diesel? Again something that runs hotter in a hot climate. When I drive Vegas to LA or worse Phoenix, the temp can read 120 degrees. Alot of people out here are very curious about this engine as an option to the 5.0 Cummings that is going to be in the new Nissan Titian.
I have been a fan of diesels in light-duty trucks and passenger cars ever since I rented a Peugeot 406 sedan in Spain nearly a decade ago and didn't realize it was a diesel until I stopped to fill the tank. I have yet to own a diesel-fuel vehicle, but I hope to in the future. The Ram 1500 diesel reviewed would be ideal for me, especially if they fit some of the new tech gadgets from the new 2014 Cherokee, such as the full speed range adaptive cruise control and the auto parallel park system.
Tuned hemi can get the same torque and double the hp of this piece of crap and the hemi is 20 years old almost! They should’ve made the hemi more efficient and more power instead of making a European diesel that’ll last not even a decade lol
this video is wrong, the Diesel is built by VM Motori in Italy which is a Division of Detroit Diesel here in America. This exact V6 diesel is used in Mercedes Suv's and cars also, this engine is in Euro Chrysler products for some years now, so it is only new to the states. it is not a FIAT engine
Qnickel27 Please check your facts before you post comments. VM Motori is not a division of Detroit Diesel. In fact GM has no stake in VW Motori what-so-ever but Fiat does. In other words, this is a Fiat owned company thus a Fiat engine.
The Fast Lane Truck that is right off the VM motori website if you still want to argue. I am a fan of your show and like your style of presenting, but lets not argue over things VM motori says on their corporate website
what a stupid argument. "This pickup is trash. Complete trash" Why dont you actually say something intelligent and elaborate on why you think its bad. Diesels get Prius- Type gas milage, have less soot in the exhast which equals cleaner air, and diesels last about 30 percent longer than a petroleum gas engine
Mr Hasher, this is not personal and thanks for the 38 years servicing Mack Trucks. I do know what liners are, most larger Diesel Engines and Aluminum Block engines have either cast or pressed in liners. Also, the squirters are used to Squirt Oil up underneath the pistons to help cool and prolong the life of pistons. Finally, you as a Diesel Mechanic ought to know the benefits of high torque values as found in the Mack MP7, 8 & 10 series engines. Good luck and safe driving.
Wow very very cool you guys are the first to have any kind of review on this truck I can dig it !! What I can also dig is this half ton diesel truck I am a bleed blue through and through Ford guy but this is a very cool segment !! I hope this goads other manufactures to bust out the smaller diesels the ecoboost f-150 is a totally different animal so it hard to compare the 2 so come on ford and Chevy 1/2 ton diesels pretty pretty please with a cherry on top...
i like the factory brake controller those are always anoying to put in and now i wanna see the diesel norm intake exaust and tuner that'll be fun in alittle halfton
I don't care who you are, I like that right there. I have a 2009 Opel, Insignia with a 2.0 Diesel, 6 spd manual and my wife and I love it. It's her work car and that turbo sounds sooooo good! I've been saying for a few years now that if the 1500 would come in a diesel I'd get one. Guess it's time to put my money where my mouth is.
Drove one yesterday, very impressive. Yes you can get 30 mpg, even with some horsing around. Truck I drove was a Tradesman, surprisingly nice interior for a base truck. Am I trading my 200,000 mile hemi in on one? Nope, as long as I can afford the gas, gonna keep driving it. Cabin is spooky quiet!
i actually like how you guys give a "worst case scenario" 0-60 time basically for REAL WORLD. so many haters dont realize.. 9 times out of 10.. when you get into a 0-60 situation, it isnt ideal conditions. when most editors test a 0-60 its with a professional driver that weighs 100 lbs, barely 1 gallon of gas, optimal weather, perfect track conditions at low altitude. real world, is MUCH different from that. read another companies 0-60 time, and compare to this one, gives you a range to expect.
In tech they have a "first impressions review" and after more experience with the product a "full review". This video was of the first impressions option. I sincerely can't wait for the full review. Will this model include a 4x4 option?
You are right, Chevy put the turbo in the Silverado every year from 1990 to 1999. You are so smart! Because those were not re-badged 3/4 ton trucks. Sart, smart, smart.
GM had the 6.2 and 6.5L as their light duty diesel all the way up to 1999. The later versions of each were actually not bad considering they were made to be light duty diesels (much smaller and lighter engine than the 7.3L PSD or 5.9L Cummins).
Its actually VM Motori, which Fiat bought half of a few years ago. GM owns the other half. They have been supplying Chrysler's export diesels for years and have built diesels for everyone from Range Rover to Toyota.
The ecodiesel is actually of Duramax origin, just smaller displacement. It was going to be used in the Cadillac until GM was forced to sell it during bankruptcy
I would also note that the statement that there haven't been diesel light-duty trucks available in the U.S. market since the late '70s/early '80s is incorrect. GM offered 6.5-liter diesel engines in light-duty trucks (Chevrolet and GMC 1500 C/K pickups, 1500/2500 Suburbans, and even two-door Tahoes and Yukons), as late as 1999 in some cases.
I believe it is not Fiat's engine but Mercedes-Benz's 3.0 CRD engine. Roman, you even mentioned about the engine coming from the Jeep Grand Cherokee. It has been there since 2005 - Chrysler 300C also received it for the first time in 2005 and it's the same engine.
Regarding the brake controller - I'm left handed but think it makes more sense on the right and easier to use. Much like a computer's mouse is too hard to use with my left hand. Ergonomics done correctly.
the cummins engine nissan is using for their trucks was originally devoloped for ram, when they got the estimated mileage numbers for the engine which was around 23-25 mpg, they scrapped it and went with the current v6. nissan picked up the v8 and will be using it in i believe their 2015 model year.
IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!
Its a great idea for those of u who are bad mouthing it... a 6 cylinder diesel hosts a lot of options and opportunities for Ram buyers. If u don't like the engine, Than simply don't buy the truck with it. I think its awesome. Great gas milage, and a butt load of torque is great. I would want that engine in my Jeep if I bought one. But that Hemi in my opinion is best in the Ram 1500's
Andy C it’s a piece of shit fiat engine that won’t last
Look kids, this is a review....
not a hate forum. If you don't like an automatic than go complain to Chrysler. This is a truck REVIEW, not a Prius fan page or I hate Fast Lane Truck page.
I love it! A new truck that actually sounds like a TRUCK! I am very interested in seeing more.
Sweet Truck It Looks Good Even The Dual Exhaust
what's with all the hater comments?! The rep clearly said they STILL HAVE the Cummins diesel in the heavy duty models. This smaller diesel engine is for the light duty models only, and you can still opt for petrol power, so wtf's up with all the complaining?! In any regard, this new engine is made by world renowned VM Motori in Italy. Move outside of the USA, and few would have heard about Cummins made engines. Europe builds the most high tech and refined diesels so my money is on this new unit rather than those loud, crude Cummins units.
I totally agree with you. In the 90's, European cost of gasoline led most manufacturers to invest a lot on diesel technology, and now the great majority of euro customers drive diesel cars, which are fast, and price effective. Trust us and our technology.
Cummins 4BT is better, also because use the same parts from 6BT.
Personally, I don't haul much more than 3000 lbs. I drive a 2000 lb 2 seater car that gets up to 35 mpg freeway and usually 30 combined. But I'm a bit tired of the safety issues...but don't want to give up the mpg.
This truck is a good solution for me
Nice truck! Not a bad review either compared to some of your other reviews. I can tell you both really love the truck and especially the diesel.
8 speed, 30 mpg, air bags, and diesel. Good match for me
This and only this type of engines is the right one for half ton trucks. 6 cylinder Diesels in in the ~3.0L area. Massive torque, great towing capacity and very very good mileage. Only the price is ridiculous. But that's not the engines fault...
Skip to 2:48 for the part you really want to hear.
Nathan's reaction at 7:30 was great. He was having too much fun. Gotta love torque.
not only did they have it, but it was widely popular way past the 70's to the late 90's, may not have been powerful but it ran. something thats hard to miss
Freakin awesome truck I want one.
same brother!!
IMO this engine really doesn't make sense. It costs around $3500 more than the 5.7L Hemi, yet offers less rated towing and payload capacity. It also costs slightly more than a comparably equipped F-150 Ecoboost, which offers far more towing and payload capacity. Granted the diesel Ram gets better fuel economy (Motor trend got 26 hwy with a 4x4/3.92 ED Ram, vs. 21 hwy for the 4x4/3.73 EB F-150), but with the higher cost of diesel, I wonder if it is really worth it.
I personally think Ford has the right idea. Turbocharged gas direct injected engines are the way to go. Small diesels don't make much sense in the US. Our emissions regulations make them too expensive and choke too much power from them. Not to mention the cost of diesel fuel negates most of the fuel economy benefit.
26 MPG with a full sized, 4 wheel drive truck with a 3.92 rear end and this doesn't make sense?
Edit: I read your comment again, thought I should futher elaborate on my thoughts...
Granted, the ford has a higher payload and towing rating, but I don't think that this will be the main focus for the Eco Diesel. I believe that this truck is aimed towards buyers who want a truck, but with economy still in mind. I had a 2012 Ram CC Sport that I traded after 4 months because I was driving 40k miles a year at the time. Buying that truck was a bad decision on my part. I loved the truck and hated to get rid of it, but it just made sense to do so. I traded it for a 13 Passat TDI until my driving slows down (and it finally has)
I have a family ranch that I'm at every weekend. For me, this truck will still give me the capability of a truck, but with the fuel economy that I need without going broke.
It may not match with the F150's numbers, but it is still a very capable truck that is worth considering for someone that would like that diesel fuel economy.
I have a feeling that people will be seeing 28+ in real world driving... Passat is rated at 40 highway, I get 50+ all day long.
Not when you're paying 60 cents more per gallon for fuel. A 4x4 3.73 Ecoboost F-150 can get 21mpg, which at $3.20 a gallon equals a cost per mile of 15.2 cents. The 4x4 3.92 Ram Eco Diesel gets 26mpg, which at $3.80 a gallon equals a cost per mile of 14.6 cents. Factor in the higher maintenance costs of a diesel and the cost to own those two trucks is virtually identical. The MSRPs are nearly identical as well.
So basically with the Eco Diesel Ram, you're paying Ecoboost F-150 money for a truck that has essentially the same ownership costs, but has 2,000lbs less towing capacity and is 2 seconds slower 0-60 unladen.
splewy Diesel is the same in metro denver right now
brandon jones
Yeah I guess it depends on where you are. Here in Florida, diesel is way more expensive than regular gas.
splewy Diesel is always more expensive in the winter when they have the shitty winter blends, but it seems like out here in chicago, gas goes higher in the summer time. diesel stays right around 3.90 all year, gas is around 3.40 in the winter and 4.20 in the summer.
Once again, great review gents. I really like this truck and may be in the market later this year. I just might have to give this one serious consideration.
You two have the best job in the world!
This engine should have debuted in the Jeep wrangler and Ram should have redesigned the Dakota and brought it back for a truck with a small diesel engine, that what I would have done but hell what do I know. I'm just some guy who keeps putting diesels in Wranglers and Dakotas for people because that what they want. I with Chrysler would pay attention to its buyers.
MY2016 we should see the 3.0L diesel engine in the Wrangler. I just wish you could get one in a base model GC.
that's stupid
I think its the best looking pick up there is,,
Great video editing
this is my favorite truck my son just bought one and it is awesome
The Cummins can't be that important to you if you don't even know the proper name. Amazing how many people tout the Cummins and then....call it the Cummings.
Also, Cummins doesn't have a diesel of this size, that's why they went this route. It would be pointless to use the 5.0L V8 version the Titan would get since it would defeat the purpose of what they're going for which was maximum fuel efficiency AND towing. The Cummins powerplant will probably put up decent mpg numbers but it won't come close to putting up upper 20's numbers like this does. A lot of clueless people complaining here it seems.
You know Dodge really disappoints me now. Ford went through the economic downturn while not needing bailout money, GM took bailout money but managed to pay most back and still retained the GM name, Dodge goes through the same situation and ends up being owned by goddamn Fiat.
I'm sure Fiat probably does certain things okay, but you can't look at Dodge the same anymore, especially not their trucks.
smh, they are owned by fiat? time to get a 'piss on dodge' sticker
Fiat owns the cars and suv's, Ram is its own brand, but dodge puts their badge on it.
ConstructiveGamer Ram is just a spin off from Dodge. But it is still under Chrysler. And Fiat is to buy out full control of Chrysler soon, for 3.65 billions. So OP is right, Fiat have full control, or soon will have, over Chrysler and all of its sub-divisions, including Dodge and RAM.
fiat owns Lamborghini and don't forget Mercedes owns part of Chrysler. but ford yes didn't take the bail out neither did dodge but the reason ford didn't is because they pulled anchor and moved to Europe while dodge toughed it out here.
187ffkev Do you know that your statement is full of wrong informations? I advice you to go back and do your own research before making yourself looking funny again @ a public place.
Thank you for shaing this. Looking at this truck especially after driving my 2003 Ram. I love the truck but now doing more high mileage driving I need something with better mileage and this is probably going to be my next vehicle. It sounds great.
Been happy with mine so far. Have 20,000mi on it since June, will have 25,000+mi on it by the time it's a year old.
How is the mileage
Depends - best ever was 28.8mpg on a 10hr round trip drive from WI to IN and back. Normal averages have been in the 26mpg range as I do drive 85% hwy driving. Worst has been over the winter, been getting about 22-24mpg depending on the tank since we've been between 0-32*F outside. Got about 27mpg on my trip from WI to FL and back.
I have a couple videos on my page too, including a cold-start video if you're interested.
tsr6 going 55mph I get about 24mpgs with my cold air intake in my hemi ram. It's a reg cab shortbed express blackout edition 4x4 with 3.21 axle and 6spd. Intake added maybe 1 mpg and btw I am at about 7000ft. 0-60 is 7.9 which translates to about the 6.1 range at sea level.
timmypstyle going 65 to 70 I get around 18 to 20. Even in 4x4 on my way to work and back I got 19 but was only going 40 or 45 mph.
Thanks for the heads up.
This is just weird.Dodge is well known as a Cummins powered diesel.Yet they go with a European diesel.Nissan will be using a Cummins diesel in their pickup.LOL
Cummins doesn't make a small displacement diesel as they said in the video. It' a light duty truck so the truck couldn't handle and wouldn't make sense to use what cummins offers.
McGillicutty88
Yes Cummins does make small diesel engines. The ISF 2.8 and ISF 3.8. Plus they could have contracted with Cummins for an engine if they wanted to.
It's actually a GM/Fiat diesel originally designed for the European Cadillac CTS. This review seems to be a little biased towards Ram trucks I'm sure that's why they failed to mention it.
Tim Webster It was mentioned several times when they did the up close video of it, so why go through it all again? This was just a 0-60 vid. The TFL is so Ford biased, it's a miracle they didn't just set the truck on fire and call it a piece of junk. Forget the TFL if you want a good and honest Ram or GM review.
Cummins is only in the super duty and that's where it belongs. it's not meant to drive around and hang out with your buddies and show off, it's designed for work not the average joe.
Cool! someone lend me 55 grand.
stand on the corner and bum people for money
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It's a good engine. This is the same engine in the Cherokee and the Ranger Rover. Awesome torque for a small engine.
hopefully ram will get the 5.0 v8 cummins diesel that will be in the 2016 nissan titan. beats the hell out of the fiat diesel
cjk247 no I used to work for cummins that's specifically built for Nissan only
Jared Lancaster Cummins lied to you then, the Tundra is getting the 5.0 as well!
+Bryan Sherman Nope.
Bryan Sherman I stand corrected I'm back at cummins and yes there is talk of doing a joint venture with Toyota
Toyota owns Hino which is a diesel manufacture. There is no way they put a Competitors engine in their truck.
Gotta realize the europeans are way ahead of us in diesel technology as well.
I love this truck. I want one so bad. Its the ultimate truck with a small powerful turbo deisel that is very easy on your wallet but still get all the jobs done. Plus with that air suspension you probably feel that your driving a luxury car. They just got the perfect formula for my ideal truck.
Love Nathan's shocked face when they balled a tire...lol
meh if they were going to go add a diesel option for the 1500s they should have used the 5.6L V8 Cummins and be done with it. No Cummins no buy. Great idea poor execution.
Bought one. Have had nothing but trouble with sensors...been in the shop 3 times..and now I am being told that it could take weeks to get a part from the factory. All of this with less than 9000 miles. Won't buy another.
What did i say about shitty italian engines last week (last month, last year)? And what, you must wait weeks to get parts? Ironic, I live in europe and if i need any part From USA for my old 1st series Dodge Durango 5,9 R/T, it takes maximum 9-10 days and for price (INCLUDING shipping which is HUGE), which is less than if i go personally in near part store for shitty italian engines. Ha ha, leave VM motori, you have Cummins - or HEMI - or whatever american... All the money you'll save on fuel (on this ecodiesel engine), you'll spend on servicing this semi-italian truck.
Couldn't agree more on that.
i love this guys
Nice lookin truck!
Yup chrysler fucked up this time lol, now Nissan is gonna get a brand new 5.0L cummins for the titan.
I recently read that the Tundra is coming with the same 5.0L Cummins for 2016. Now they need to listen to the masses and put it in a work truck model (cheaper and not all the car add-ons) for people who want to use it as a truck!!!
Nissan is trash
cool truck, but for 55k i'll pass, thats like sport car and nice luxury cars territory
If you just need a truck, you can get the Ram 1500 with this engine for 27k.
$55k is for a Longhorn Edition. I have one, I shit you not the interior beats any luxury car. This coming from a former owner of 2000 Audi S4 2012 C300
PainBaller03 I love my 3500 DRW Limited. But to say that it beats any luxury car? Been in a Merc S class, Porsche 991 or Range Rover lately, just to name a few? It's a truck, nothing more, a nice one, but that's it. It's no where near my DD 991, the leather alone is not, let's say, impressive.
Cant wait to hear one of these straight piped.
Hey Roman and Nathan if you guys can could you do a mpg run with this pickup? Thanks you guys are great!!
So we should trust a V6 Diesel that is no one has heard of? An engine that has been pushing 600lbs Fiats?
This engine is a true jewel. It is currently installed in the new Grand Cherokee rated at 250 hp and 560 Nm, in the Lancia Thema - Chrysler 300 and in the new Maserati Ghibli at 275 hp. Under the hood of Grand Cherokee, it replaces the old 3.0 V6 218 hp 510 Nm made by Mercedes Benz. Trust it.
MudSnow Since when, if ever, have Italian automakers been known for their reliability? Lancia rust buckets, Alfa Romeo being known for unreliability, even the bigger names like Maserati and Lamborghini were hardly world renown for their reliability. They are no Volvo, VW, Honda or Lincoln that's for sure
manrightchea You are speaking of reliability problems of many years ago. Nowadays the brands you cite sell a lot of cars in European market and they have been awarded by international committee. Have a look at the rewards won by Fiat gasoline Multiair Engine, or by Alfa Giulietta itself.
By the way, Fiat group was the first one to develop and sell common rail technology for diesel engines.
MudSnow Perhaps they are better today and I don't doubt they are, however you are talking about European Markets. I live in the Southwestern United States, and the surface temp off the asphalt in the sun in the summer can be 140 degrees. So to that point is there a turbochargers on this diesel? Again something that runs hotter in a hot climate. When I drive Vegas to LA or worse Phoenix, the temp can read 120 degrees. Alot of people out here are very curious about this engine as an option to the 5.0 Cummings that is going to be in the new Nissan Titian.
does anyone care,55000,i can buy a lot of gas and not make the loan companies richer
seen a test of a 1500 diesel 68000 bucks,i can buy several trucks for that or keep my debt load way down
nobody loans anything to anybody, and gas is the ones that makes companies richer not diesel.
Young Nathan!
I have been a fan of diesels in light-duty trucks and passenger cars ever since I rented a Peugeot 406 sedan in Spain nearly a decade ago and didn't realize it was a diesel until I stopped to fill the tank. I have yet to own a diesel-fuel vehicle, but I hope to in the future. The Ram 1500 diesel reviewed would be ideal for me, especially if they fit some of the new tech gadgets from the new 2014 Cherokee, such as the full speed range adaptive cruise control and the auto parallel park system.
Well dodge. This was a terrible idea.
what the hell are you talking about?
Ford 6.0, 6.4, 4.6
Tuned hemi can get the same torque and double the hp of this piece of crap and the hemi is 20 years old almost! They should’ve made the hemi more efficient and more power instead of making a European diesel that’ll last not even a decade lol
Wouldn't buy it with that crappy fiat engine....I'll be waiting for the Nissan with the cummins
this video is wrong, the Diesel is built by VM Motori in Italy which is a Division of Detroit Diesel here in America. This exact V6 diesel is used in Mercedes Suv's and cars also, this engine is in Euro Chrysler products for some years now, so it is only new to the states. it is not a FIAT engine
Qnickel27 Please check your facts before you post comments. VM Motori is not a division of Detroit Diesel. In fact GM has no stake in VW Motori what-so-ever but Fiat does. In other words, this is a Fiat owned company thus a Fiat engine.
Detroit Diesel Corporation (DDC) bought VM Motori in 1995.
Owner(s) General Motors (50%)
Fiat Powertrain (50%)
The Fast Lane Truck In July 2007 General Motors buy the 50-percent equity of VM Motori S.p.A. The Company is now owned by GM and Penske Corporation.
The Fast Lane Truck that is right off the VM motori website if you still want to argue. I am a fan of your show and like your style of presenting, but lets not argue over things VM motori says on their corporate website
Cummins actually had an engine ready, the 2.8 and 3.8 ISF, but they are putting it in the Nissan Titan. Great engines, too
It looks to be a great truck.
The EcoDiesel Ram is trash. Straight up trash. Nobody in their right mind would buy one of these. Plus they are proven to be junk so far.
20,000mi on mine. Zero problems.
what a stupid argument. "This pickup is trash. Complete trash" Why dont you actually say something intelligent and elaborate on why you think its bad. Diesels get Prius- Type gas milage, have less soot in the exhast which equals cleaner air, and diesels last about 30 percent longer than a petroleum gas engine
he must be a ford guy
100k miles and zero problems on mine. I also have the gde tune
Mr Hasher, this is not personal and thanks for the 38 years servicing Mack Trucks. I do know what liners are, most larger Diesel Engines and Aluminum Block engines have either cast or pressed in liners. Also, the squirters are used to Squirt Oil up underneath the pistons to help cool and prolong the life of pistons. Finally, you as a Diesel Mechanic ought to know the benefits of high torque values as found in the Mack MP7, 8 & 10 series engines. Good luck and safe driving.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I bought a Cummins and settled for the truck that surrounds it.
Wow very very cool you guys are the first to have any kind of review on this truck I can dig it !! What I can also dig is this half ton diesel truck I am a bleed blue through and through Ford guy but this is a very cool segment !! I hope this goads other manufactures to bust out the smaller diesels the ecoboost f-150 is a totally different animal so it hard to compare the 2 so come on ford and Chevy 1/2 ton diesels pretty pretty please with a cherry on top...
"when you go to order a hot meal" hahahaha Nathan you kill me sometimes
Great review guys. Have you been able to ferret out of them if there might be a Diesel...Weasel?
I dont know if the sound was amplified but it sure sounded pretty beast on my phone considering its a tiny 3.0L diesel
nice video, but i was hoping to at least hear your impressions because im seriously considering this truck
I Really like Ram !
Holy Shit, $55,000 1/2 Ton truck!! Another decade and we will be seeing 75K+ trucks as the "norm!!"
i like the factory brake controller those are always anoying to put in and now i wanna see the diesel norm intake exaust and tuner that'll be fun in alittle halfton
Doesn't sound like much out the exhuast, but the idle sound of the motor up front sure does sound beastly.
I can't wait to see what kinda power you can get out of it with some performance tuning.
so far i think its pretty cool
I don't care who you are, I like that right there. I have a 2009 Opel, Insignia with a 2.0 Diesel, 6 spd manual and my wife and I love it. It's her work car and that turbo sounds sooooo good! I've been saying for a few years now that if the 1500 would come in a diesel I'd get one. Guess it's time to put my money where my mouth is.
Drove one yesterday, very impressive. Yes you can get 30 mpg, even with some horsing around. Truck I drove was a Tradesman, surprisingly nice interior for a base truck. Am I trading my 200,000 mile hemi in on one? Nope, as long as I can afford the gas, gonna keep driving it. Cabin is spooky quiet!
formerice Right decision indeed.
I'm a GM man. But I have to admit I was extremely excited about this ecodiesel until I found out it wasn't by Cummins.
It's the completely top-of-the-line truck. You can build and price the ecodiesel on Ram's website easily under a 40k sticker, and nobody pays sticker.
Its actually on the way Zach.
When can we see this beast take on the ike gauntlet? I'm looking forward to that!
I'm a Ford guy, but I have to say, that is one good looking truck.
i actually like how you guys give a "worst case scenario" 0-60 time basically for REAL WORLD. so many haters dont realize.. 9 times out of 10.. when you get into a 0-60 situation, it isnt ideal conditions. when most editors test a 0-60 its with a professional driver that weighs 100 lbs, barely 1 gallon of gas, optimal weather, perfect track conditions at low altitude. real world, is MUCH different from that. read another companies 0-60 time, and compare to this one, gives you a range to expect.
In tech they have a "first impressions review" and after more experience with the product a "full review". This video was of the first impressions option. I sincerely can't wait for the full review. Will this model include a 4x4 option?
Yes, the EcoDiesel Rams are available in a 4x4 truck. I have one myself, and just make a walk-around video of it. They're really great trucks.
Great Sign off ! :)
Yep, 1997 was the last year for the 6.5L Detroit, Chevy was doing it for a long time.
You are right, Chevy put the turbo in the Silverado every year from 1990 to 1999. You are so smart! Because those were not re-badged 3/4 ton trucks. Sart, smart, smart.
GM had the 6.2 and 6.5L as their light duty diesel all the way up to 1999. The later versions of each were actually not bad considering they were made to be light duty diesels (much smaller and lighter engine than the 7.3L PSD or 5.9L Cummins).
When are you gonna test it in Colorado?
Most ECU"s are programmed to have the A/C shut off when TPS is > 95%. Not that it affected the 0 - 60 that much, but just FYI. Thanks for the review!
Outstanding, lots of low end grunt, just like a diesel should have!!
@The Fast Lane Truck Do y'all know when these are supposed to be in the dealerships?
If you look on the Dodge website you can see the diesel will also be optional on the Tradesman, SLT, Outdoorsman, Laramie, and the Laramie Longhorn.
the new diesel sounds like a 7.3 when driving around. can't wait to see these new diesels modded out
Can't wait for the Cummins Titan though!!
Impressive
Its actually VM Motori, which Fiat bought half of a few years ago. GM owns the other half. They have been supplying Chrysler's export diesels for years and have built diesels for everyone from Range Rover to Toyota.
The ecodiesel is actually of Duramax origin, just smaller displacement. It was going to be used in the Cadillac until GM was forced to sell it during bankruptcy
I would also note that the statement that there haven't been diesel light-duty trucks available in the U.S. market since the late '70s/early '80s is incorrect. GM offered 6.5-liter diesel engines in light-duty trucks (Chevrolet and GMC 1500 C/K pickups, 1500/2500 Suburbans, and even two-door Tahoes and Yukons), as late as 1999 in some cases.
I believe it is not Fiat's engine but Mercedes-Benz's 3.0 CRD engine. Roman, you even mentioned about the engine coming from the Jeep Grand Cherokee. It has been there since 2005 - Chrysler 300C also received it for the first time in 2005 and it's the same engine.
Rams are no doubt the best looking full-size trucks on the market...Fact!
Regarding the brake controller - I'm left handed but think it makes more sense on the right and easier to use. Much like a computer's mouse is too hard to use with my left hand. Ergonomics done correctly.
the 6.5 liter detroit diesel was offered in the 1994 to 1998 chevy c/k1500
Thats odd, I was the first renter of this vehicle at Avis in SeaTac Airport in Seattle. There was only 6 miles on the Odometer.
2014 Truck of the year! This thing gets 26 miles per gallon
yeah just checked you can get the diesel for 35k before additions bells and whistles, thats still with an 8 speed and a crew cab so thats pretty good
Big ass cojones and price too, would love to see the diesel go into the Durango.
Not to sound rude i like your videos
I like this guys
Cool
I WORKED ON THE BLOWING HEAD GASKETS BROKEN HEAD BOLTS THAT GM DIESEL ENGINE WAS A NITE MARE
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Sorry, that's a lie, Cummins does have a small displacement engine, their 5.0l that is going into NIssan's Titan.
sounds good...
the cummins engine nissan is using for their trucks was originally devoloped for ram, when they got the estimated mileage numbers for the engine which was around 23-25 mpg, they scrapped it and went with the current v6. nissan picked up the v8 and will be using it in i believe their 2015 model year.