I want to do just that! Show everyone that you don’t need a scream list to win with VC. I think I’ll still have a scream or two just from characters but run 2 units of blood knights.
I will try them on s tournament sunday. Is escalation: 1500 the first game than 1750 and 2000. I will bring a Mortis and one banshee just in the last match. I want to try skeleton warriors instead of grave guards to add wolfes and ghouls. I hope buff and debuff will be enough to win melee
Thanks! Yes, as long as the character with the invocation isn’t in combat any unit can be targeted, whether it’s in combat or not. I appreciate the question.
Well played, congrats with the win! I had my doubts about the spirit hosts (over another banshee++), but this sure proved me wrong. I would love to see how you do with Empire of Man. As I am both a VC and Empire player, and as a proper challenge (since let's be honest, empire is not in the best place power wise atm). Would be interesting to see what you would bring.
Thanks! Yeah, I needed one more unit to able to shield my necromancers. Challenge accepted, empire it is. I’ll make a video showing the full empire army and a tournament breakdown after.
Nice, really looking forward to it! Been watching the rest of your content, and I am pleased to find a TH-cam channel not focused on the casual side of the old world.
😄 things will get painted (for sure) but I’m more of a gamer then a hobbyist. Unless the tournament is paint battle ready there will be unpainted models as I want to experience how every unit works more then gets stuff painted.
I accidentally hit remove when I was replying to your latest comment, I am so sorry for my misclick. Thank you so much for the comments and forgiveness on the grey models 😄 I will get stuff painted
The talisman of protection was on the mortis engine necromancer, my general was the other necromancer (on foot, dark magic). The mortis engine was shot at with magic missiles in all 3 games. The 5+ ward was helpful for sure.
He never failed a stupidity check because he has a reroll with the bsb. He was only ever targeted once with attacks because after I told my opponent his toughness and saves they didn’t target him. I feel the crown is really just a deterrent piece of gear more than taking it for true saves. I hope this answers your questions.
@@causebadguys9524 A small note, A Stupidity Test is not a leadership test. It is a separate 'Stupidity test' that uses the leadership characteristic. As distinct from Invocation of Nehek which is a leadership test and thus can use the BSB re-roll
You are correct, I just looked into it and it’s my mistake. Thank you for the correction and bringing this to my attention. I will endeavor to not make a mistake like this in the future.
I will be making more VC battle reports and doing tactical breakdowns of specific units and characters. Is there something specific you would want to see first? Or just another battle report?
@@causebadguys9524 What helps me is that you explain why you used specific units and why you moved them the way you did. Often battle reports from other people are missing these explanations. So explaining the battle plan and then how you adjusted it during the game is helping me a lot.
@@causebadguys9524 Oh and having the army explained and three games in only 40 min is also very nice and dense. I don't really have the time or patients to watch most of the 4+ hours long battle reports.
Hey very nice army! You said in the video bsb makes you reroll leadership test, I think it’s not correct you can reroll panic, rally and brake test, not every leadership test sadly:(
Undead got different battle standard rules, as they don't panic, break, or rally: A Wight Lord that has been upgraded to be your Battle Standard Bearer replaces the “Hold Your Ground” rule given in the Warhammer: the Old World rulebook with the version given below: “Hold Your Ground”: Friendly units within the Battle Standard Bearer’s Command range may re-roll any failed Leadership test. In addition, friendly units within the Battle Standard Bearer’s Command range reduce the number of Wounds lost due to the Unstable special rule by D3.
Thanks! Vampire counts bsb changes via page 7 of the pdf GW provided for their army rules under “wight banner”. It is not the same as other bsb’s in old world.
I've been using variants of double mortis lists as my go to, not found a better type of list.. you can go double mortis double corpse cart for the never crumbling army, or one with terrorghiests, or you can go with blood knights to give you a nice hammer.. Its sad because Vampires themselves just aren't great, limits on vampire powers being one of each per army and just not having enough customisable options they just struggle to get their points back. Necros, Banshees, Wights and Wight Kings are just fantastic, while Vampires and Wraiths are just underwhelming. I'd really love wraiths to be a unit option again, they would have some viability that way. For 6 screams? two mortis, two banshee, two Terror I'm assuming? The Vampire stuff is sadly disappointing, so much cool stuff is just not really effective.. Maybe the army will get moved from being legendary for the next edition of Old world what ever form or theme it takes.. I can hope as I adore my Vampires..
Yeah, I wish the actual vampires in the army were a little better than they are currently. They can be fun but not really competitive. Best 6 scream list I’ve found is 1 mortis, 3 banshee, 2 terror. Im hoping some legend armies move too standard but not holding my breath on GW. I’ve found no tournaments or communities that won’t allow legend armies so I’m not super worried about it. It will take 2 years for all of the arcane journals to come out so we will see around then what happens. Thanks for the comment!!!
@@causebadguys9524 you can't do 3 banshee. they are 1 per 1000pts its something I fell foul of as well sadly. Yeah I'm not in a rush, in fact I'd rather they took their time, I've got 3 armies from back in the day, my dark elf army is the biggest I've seen in real life, its vast and I've not even started considering how to rebase it yet.. I'm doing Vampires first which is no small job, then I'll move onto my greenskins which I don't need much for, some cavalry and big stuff, oh and more squigs you can never have enough squigs.. After that I'm thinking some good guys, in 30 years I've never had a Order army.. then my dark elves (its going to be so much sodding work), perhaps Cathey or Kislev if they get love which I think they will.. I got plenty of time.. and its far from my only hobby game.. Legion, Necromunda, KDM, Shadows of brimstone to name but a few.. Never enough time for all my games or hobby...
Man, thanks for the heads up. Missed it. Nice! 3 huge armies and time is a great combo. Just drive to get it done am I right! Dark elves is one I would love to get into but I have so much already to work on I can’t justify more armies just yet, in time though for sure.
Each mat had tape on them for 40K table size but we played on the full mat, the event organizers asked us not to remove the tape so they could reuse them for later events. We did play on the recommended 72” x 48” board size.
Right! lol, the ruby ring has very specific tactics to utilize it well and none of my characters were going to run that strategy. I was thinking about it but went against it.
you have an almost identical list to me. I usually keep the foot lord between the 2 infantry and have them pretty close so 1 he has LOS for magic missiles and 2 can't be charged by anything with a large base size. Nice recap!
Wonderfull report! I love your style and the list is really good.
Thank you so much!
@@causebadguys9524 i wuold love to see a list without screams, more an horde army with knights and grave guards as hammer units
I want to do just that! Show everyone that you don’t need a scream list to win with VC. I think I’ll still have a scream or two just from characters but run 2 units of blood knights.
I will try them on s tournament sunday.
Is escalation: 1500 the first game than 1750 and 2000.
I will bring a Mortis and one banshee just in the last match.
I want to try skeleton warriors instead of grave guards to add wolfes and ghouls.
I hope buff and debuff will be enough to win melee
Nice! Best of luck! Skeletons will be punching up almost all the time. Take dark magic for ‘word of pain’ & ‘battle lust’ it will help a lot.
Great List! I have one question. Can use invocation of nehek on a unit that is locked in combat if the necromancer isn't engaged?
Thanks! Yes, as long as the character with the invocation isn’t in combat any unit can be targeted, whether it’s in combat or not. I appreciate the question.
Well played, congrats with the win!
I had my doubts about the spirit hosts (over another banshee++), but this sure proved me wrong.
I would love to see how you do with Empire of Man. As I am both a VC and Empire player, and as a proper challenge (since let's be honest, empire is not in the best place power wise atm). Would be interesting to see what you would bring.
Thanks! Yeah, I needed one more unit to able to shield my necromancers. Challenge accepted, empire it is. I’ll make a video showing the full empire army and a tournament breakdown after.
Nice, really looking forward to it!
Been watching the rest of your content, and I am pleased to find a TH-cam channel not focused on the casual side of the old world.
all grey models? pf, shame
lol, yes
How aristocratic of you "Vlad" . . .
😄 things will get painted (for sure) but I’m more of a gamer then a hobbyist. Unless the tournament is paint battle ready there will be unpainted models as I want to experience how every unit works more then gets stuff painted.
I accidentally hit remove when I was replying to your latest comment, I am so sorry for my misclick. Thank you so much for the comments and forgiveness on the grey models 😄 I will get stuff painted
Vamps paint job looks good,all look the same lol
lol, thanks! I am working on them, even now.
Thanks for the report
Thanks!
Nicely done! Like to see you play your warriors of chaos!
Thanks! I’ll look to get some games in with the warriors soon.
Good report, do you have an army list link?
Thank you! I’m unsure what you mean by link? Would it be a connection to old world builder? I appreciate the comment!
A comment for the algorithm while I'm on my lunch 👻
Thanks!
Are you really allowed to re-roll Invokation with the BSB? I thought it only allowed re-rolls for Panic, Rally and break tests.
Yes, VC BSB is different from the core rule book BSB.
@@causebadguys9524thanks you learn something everyday it seems with ToW
Glad to help! Thanks!
@@causebadguys9524 the point is the range is 8 because depends on the command range of the carrier, not 12''
o wait. not in the case of battle standard bearers. 12'' is correct :)
Just keep winning with whatever army it takes. Did the talisman of protection on your general save anything?
The talisman of protection was on the mortis engine necromancer, my general was the other necromancer (on foot, dark magic). The mortis engine was shot at with magic missiles in all 3 games. The 5+ ward was helpful for sure.
@@causebadguys9524 did the crown of the damned ever cause Stupidity? And did it save a ton of wounds, too?
He never failed a stupidity check because he has a reroll with the bsb. He was only ever targeted once with attacks because after I told my opponent his toughness and saves they didn’t target him. I feel the crown is really just a deterrent piece of gear more than taking it for true saves. I hope this answers your questions.
@@causebadguys9524 A small note, A Stupidity Test is not a leadership test. It is a separate 'Stupidity test' that uses the leadership characteristic. As distinct from Invocation of Nehek which is a leadership test and thus can use the BSB re-roll
You are correct, I just looked into it and it’s my mistake. Thank you for the correction and bringing this to my attention. I will endeavor to not make a mistake like this in the future.
I am trying to get better with my Vampires so my vote is for more Vampire lists and reports.
I will be making more VC battle reports and doing tactical breakdowns of specific units and characters. Is there something specific you would want to see first? Or just another battle report?
@@causebadguys9524 What helps me is that you explain why you used specific units and why you moved them the way you did. Often battle reports from other people are missing these explanations. So explaining the battle plan and then how you adjusted it during the game is helping me a lot.
@@causebadguys9524 Oh and having the army explained and three games in only 40 min is also very nice and dense. I don't really have the time or patients to watch most of the 4+ hours long battle reports.
Thank you for the comment. I will try to cover my tactics and battle adjustments as plans never survive contact with the enemy.
I do understand the time issue. Most battle reports from me will be this style.
Hey very nice army! You said in the video bsb makes you reroll leadership test, I think it’s not correct you can reroll panic, rally and brake test, not every leadership test sadly:(
Undead got different battle standard rules, as they don't panic, break, or rally:
A Wight Lord that has been upgraded to be your Battle Standard Bearer replaces the “Hold Your Ground” rule given in the Warhammer: the Old World rulebook with the version given below:
“Hold Your Ground”: Friendly units within the Battle Standard Bearer’s Command range may re-roll any failed Leadership test. In addition, friendly units within the Battle Standard Bearer’s Command range reduce the number of Wounds lost due to the Unstable special rule by D3.
Thanks! Vampire counts bsb changes via page 7 of the pdf GW provided for their army rules under “wight banner”. It is not the same as other bsb’s in old world.
@@qystein wow thx a lot! I miss that ! Bsb seems very important to have now for VC!! 😀
I've been using variants of double mortis lists as my go to, not found a better type of list.. you can go double mortis double corpse cart for the never crumbling army, or one with terrorghiests, or you can go with blood knights to give you a nice hammer..
Its sad because Vampires themselves just aren't great, limits on vampire powers being one of each per army and just not having enough customisable options they just struggle to get their points back. Necros, Banshees, Wights and Wight Kings are just fantastic, while Vampires and Wraiths are just underwhelming. I'd really love wraiths to be a unit option again, they would have some viability that way.
For 6 screams? two mortis, two banshee, two Terror I'm assuming?
The Vampire stuff is sadly disappointing, so much cool stuff is just not really effective.. Maybe the army will get moved from being legendary for the next edition of Old world what ever form or theme it takes.. I can hope as I adore my Vampires..
Yeah, I wish the actual vampires in the army were a little better than they are currently. They can be fun but not really competitive. Best 6 scream list I’ve found is 1 mortis, 3 banshee, 2 terror. Im hoping some legend armies move too standard but not holding my breath on GW. I’ve found no tournaments or communities that won’t allow legend armies so I’m not super worried about it. It will take 2 years for all of the arcane journals to come out so we will see around then what happens. Thanks for the comment!!!
@@causebadguys9524 you can't do 3 banshee. they are 1 per 1000pts its something I fell foul of as well sadly.
Yeah I'm not in a rush, in fact I'd rather they took their time, I've got 3 armies from back in the day, my dark elf army is the biggest I've seen in real life, its vast and I've not even started considering how to rebase it yet.. I'm doing Vampires first which is no small job, then I'll move onto my greenskins which I don't need much for, some cavalry and big stuff, oh and more squigs you can never have enough squigs.. After that I'm thinking some good guys, in 30 years I've never had a Order army.. then my dark elves (its going to be so much sodding work), perhaps Cathey or Kislev if they get love which I think they will..
I got plenty of time.. and its far from my only hobby game.. Legion, Necromunda, KDM, Shadows of brimstone to name but a few.. Never enough time for all my games or hobby...
Man, thanks for the heads up. Missed it. Nice! 3 huge armies and time is a great combo. Just drive to get it done am I right! Dark elves is one I would love to get into but I have so much already to work on I can’t justify more armies just yet, in time though for sure.
Hard to tell but those battlefields look too small for 2k points?
Each mat had tape on them for 40K table size but we played on the full mat, the event organizers asked us not to remove the tape so they could reuse them for later events. We did play on the recommended 72” x 48” board size.
79 character points and no Ruby ring on thr general. I is shocked
Right! lol, the ruby ring has very specific tactics to utilize it well and none of my characters were going to run that strategy. I was thinking about it but went against it.
you have an almost identical list to me. I usually keep the foot lord between the 2 infantry and have them pretty close so 1 he has LOS for magic missiles and 2 can't be charged by anything with a large base size.
Nice recap!
Nice, it’s a solid list!