Great video! Thanks for covering Harrier updates with practical examples. In order to point-blank designate, do we need to keep pickle button pressed all the time?
That is correct. Players should learn the real habit. When you look target through HUD, you push SSS Up to go in INS mode. When you look target from MFCD, you pull SSS Aft to go DMT/TV mode. And you switch this constantly when you are looking in or out. Sadly Razbam targeting modes for Harrier are incorrect and unrealistic. In N/A Harrier there is no such designation mode as "MAP Designation", that is available only for AV-8B+ Radar variant. The INS mode does not work as MAP designator, it is known as "HUD designator". When in INS mode, the TDC controls designation position relative to the HUD, and only when there is target designation diamond inside the HUD. So when you turn away from target designation that its diamond isn't inside HUD, the TDC doesn't move target designation. And the target designation moves vertically and laterally on HUD, but it is roll stabilized. The purpose of the INS mode is allow pilot quickly visually designate targets, and easily correct the target designation if target moves when in close range. The INS mode works such way that when TDC is pressed down to designate target, by flying flight path marker on it first, the mission computer doesn't know target altitude. (This is with all fighters). The mission computer then use radar altimeter to measure altitude to below Harrier, and it use that as assumption of target altitude in that angle toward ground. That is incorrect altitude unless flying over sea or flat terrain. Why the target designation diamond is incorrect position and requires to be corrected. When harrier fly Forward, the diamond shift visually in HUD above or below target, depending error in target altitude. Pilot then use TDC in INS mode to move the diamond back on target and wait few seconds and fly some angles checking does diamond stay on target. The correction is repeated until diamond stay above target. And then the target altitude is visually set and it's valid. This is not now possible as Razbam in their sloppy design didn't read the real manuals that how system works. Now the targeting system gets magically ground elevation as DMT/INS is ground locked and ground stabilized. In Harrier radar variant, the is no DMT, but there is MAP designation, where radar is used to range target on designation. Same as in hornet. It is not so accurate as DMT, but it is all weather capable, and it is possible designate targets using radar MAP mode (MAP DESG). And then use INS mode as in N/A variant.
@@Stoffe3D ok, stupid question, are you in open bata, as this is ob only at the moment, beyond that if ypu can make a short track and provide a link i will have a look and see if i can see anything.
@TEACypher that is some real inaccurate way of delivering. But I see some use for dropping Mk20s in a dive on TOO's and pulling up for a shallow delivery. Looks like it is not really useful for Mk82s. I prefer the CCIP/Auto designate option over this but I have to test the differences. I which scenario would you use Auto point blank designation?
In all honesty not really sure, I assume its for situation when a target is found along way from a waypoint that can be designated. And feels like an extension of the ccip to ccrp system.
@@TEACypher mm, it seems like a redundant feature noting you can designate on the DMT using the velocity vector already. Maybe the IRL DMT has limitations that make point blank mode worthwhile.
IRL DMT is contrast lock based, not ground stabilized as now. You dont have time to lock with DMT, confirm the lock on proper height and then generate angles by flying up/down to allow ARBS calculate target altitude for accurate release. The INS mode uses radar altimeter to measure Harrier altitude and assumes target is at same altitude, and then pilot is to use INS diamond to sweeten the target by adjusting diamond on target after few seconds if it has shifted. It is really meant for quick release of bombs with need to fly on level. Firing gun, rockets or releasing bomb without designation, will create target designation on point where sight was, using radar altimeter to adjust reticle position or if waypoint is selected, then waypoint altitude and ignoring radar altimeter. After release system switch to INS mode to guide pilot for reattack, and pilot is to adjust target designation in that run to be accurate.
Thanks for your effort:) I am learning the harrier in DCS atm.
Great video! Thanks for covering Harrier updates with practical examples. In order to point-blank designate, do we need to keep pickle button pressed all the time?
Yes you need to hold the pickle all the way through, though i said this, but it took 4 takes to get it right so may have forgotten to say on this one.
loved it !
You were in INS mode when you tried to slew DMT. Make sure you are in TV mode when slewing DMT, SSS aft.
That is correct.
Players should learn the real habit.
When you look target through HUD, you push SSS Up to go in INS mode.
When you look target from MFCD, you pull SSS Aft to go DMT/TV mode.
And you switch this constantly when you are looking in or out.
Sadly Razbam targeting modes for Harrier are incorrect and unrealistic.
In N/A Harrier there is no such designation mode as "MAP Designation", that is available only for AV-8B+ Radar variant.
The INS mode does not work as MAP designator, it is known as "HUD designator".
When in INS mode, the TDC controls designation position relative to the HUD, and only when there is target designation diamond inside the HUD.
So when you turn away from target designation that its diamond isn't inside HUD, the TDC doesn't move target designation.
And the target designation moves vertically and laterally on HUD, but it is roll stabilized.
The purpose of the INS mode is allow pilot quickly visually designate targets, and easily correct the target designation if target moves when in close range.
The INS mode works such way that when TDC is pressed down to designate target, by flying flight path marker on it first, the mission computer doesn't know target altitude. (This is with all fighters).
The mission computer then use radar altimeter to measure altitude to below Harrier, and it use that as assumption of target altitude in that angle toward ground.
That is incorrect altitude unless flying over sea or flat terrain. Why the target designation diamond is incorrect position and requires to be corrected.
When harrier fly Forward, the diamond shift visually in HUD above or below target, depending error in target altitude. Pilot then use TDC in INS mode to move the diamond back on target and wait few seconds and fly some angles checking does diamond stay on target. The correction is repeated until diamond stay above target. And then the target altitude is visually set and it's valid.
This is not now possible as Razbam in their sloppy design didn't read the real manuals that how system works. Now the targeting system gets magically ground elevation as DMT/INS is ground locked and ground stabilized.
In Harrier radar variant, the is no DMT, but there is MAP designation, where radar is used to range target on designation. Same as in hornet.
It is not so accurate as DMT, but it is all weather capable, and it is possible designate targets using radar MAP mode (MAP DESG). And then use INS mode as in N/A variant.
I cant get this to work at all? Im doing axactly the same as in the video. But when i press pickle button nothing is happening??
Make sure you do not have a target desg on ehsd, your in ag master mode, bomb selected, and master arm on, and you are in a dive of at least 5 degree
@@TEACypher Yes i did all of that. And you mean i should press the pickle button? The button I drop the bomb with and hold it in?
@@Stoffe3D ok, stupid question, are you in open bata, as this is ob only at the moment, beyond that if ypu can make a short track and provide a link i will have a look and see if i can see anything.
@@TEACypher yes in open beta. But you say to mark the target with the pickle button? Dont you mean mark with TDC down action button?
@@Stoffe3D yes in this case you press hold pickle, similar to ccip to ccrp
@TEACypher that is some real inaccurate way of delivering. But I see some use for dropping Mk20s in a dive on TOO's and pulling up for a shallow delivery. Looks like it is not really useful for Mk82s. I prefer the CCIP/Auto designate option over this but I have to test the differences. I which scenario would you use Auto point blank designation?
In all honesty not really sure, I assume its for situation when a target is found along way from a waypoint that can be designated. And feels like an extension of the ccip to ccrp system.
@@TEACypher mm, it seems like a redundant feature noting you can designate on the DMT using the velocity vector already.
Maybe the IRL DMT has limitations that make point blank mode worthwhile.
IRL DMT is contrast lock based, not ground stabilized as now.
You dont have time to lock with DMT, confirm the lock on proper height and then generate angles by flying up/down to allow ARBS calculate target altitude for accurate release.
The INS mode uses radar altimeter to measure Harrier altitude and assumes target is at same altitude, and then pilot is to use INS diamond to sweeten the target by adjusting diamond on target after few seconds if it has shifted.
It is really meant for quick release of bombs with need to fly on level.
Firing gun, rockets or releasing bomb without designation, will create target designation on point where sight was, using radar altimeter to adjust reticle position or if waypoint is selected, then waypoint altitude and ignoring radar altimeter.
After release system switch to INS mode to guide pilot for reattack, and pilot is to adjust target designation in that run to be accurate.