Check out the Store: www.longshotstore.com/ Join the Discord channel: discord.gg/drNE6bT Hey guys! In this DCS World Simulator video I'm in the FA18 Hornet fighting against the F14 Tomcat flown by Pix6 (Thanks so much for the help) This one is all about the notch, The best way to defeat the Phoenix Missile IMO. Hope you guys enjoy!
You were flying my old squadron, VFA-131. I love to see it! The F/A-18C in game is listed as BUNO number 165407, which was from my squadron. It was aircraft 406. Great notch technique, and very well executed.
@@speed150mph I wouldn't know about the flying part. I was an electrician. But as far as my experience goes, the sounds it makes when the engines are starting, when the APU starts and shuts down, when the canopy closes, etc, are all right on. There is a lot of stuff that doesn't match with the real jet. For example, there is no way to check the fuel before you start it, or put on external power. We used to check it with battery power all the time, and you have to when refueling it. Battery switch to on, engine crank switch to right. That will bring up the fuel on the IFEI on the real jet. Also, for some reason they show BLIN codes on the FCS page when there is nothing wrong with the FCS. A bunch of stuff like that, which most people will not notice.
@@KevinJCoburn Well if we’re being fair, you know the inner workings of the jet better than a pilot anyway. A flight sim can fake its way through how the jet flies, it’s harder to fake (but also harder to implement) the systems that work in the heart of the jet.
Longshot, I'm a retired A10 driver and my grandson gave me a laptop and DCS over Christmas last year can you please help me with the key binding as I do not have a joystick and I'd love flying sincerely grounded 😂
Once they get into DCS, I'd like to see an AIM-260 armed F/A-18E vs. an AIM-54 armed F-14. Also an R-77M vs. AIM-54. I don't understand why we can't build a "linked" dual frequency seeker in an air to air missile. Something like a pulse doppler and millimeter wave radar. The MMW would see the notch and movement of the target aircraft.
A today's technology AESA seeker would be probably precise and smart enough, to make any "notching" attempts almost useless. Considering dual seeker option, I'd rather combine AESA radar with secondary IIR seeker to make "quiet" intercepts possible without the target ever knowing, for backup mode in heavy electronic countermeasures and against stealth targets. On the other hand, a good LPI AESA seeker combined with advanced datalink may achieve this just as well (leave target unaware untill too late to react or even untill impact). And if MAWs + laser DIRCM devices become popular on potential target platforms then IIR channel may become useless anyway, so my bet is that the AIM-260 is equipped with just an advanced AESA radar seeker.
@@amizaur3marcinostrowski186 what I wonder is why can’t you have a home-on-radar seeker, like a harm for the air to air fight. Have it so the missile homes on the radar and doesn’t turn on its own radar until either terminal homing or in case the enemy turns off its radar.
I had the air blown out of my lungs by a Tomcat that was just idling. I was just visiting the Nimitz. And had plenty of time to wander the deck, when it was allowed. And made the mistake of not minding my surroundings. Best worst experience onboard the Nimitz. That and getting to "feel" The Cat take off from the foul line. The Top Gun flick barely does justice to these beautiful birds on deck.
Fantastic video, thank you so much for this which is in effect a notching tutorial video - and the best I’ve seen. I’m pretty successful in PvP, but have only had limited success notching… and now I know why. I’m always screaming fast as I can fly, and it must be the limiting factor for me.
Today I was able to execute the most artfully executed notch against two inbound simultaneous AIM-120s thanks to the method in this video. Thanks Longshot!
This is exactly the technique I wanted to test when I finally find time to get into playing DCS ;-). I'm glad someone demonstrated that it works. Not something to depend on as the main BVR tactic, but I was quite confident that in certain scenarios against certain adversaries it might be useful. Regards from Poland by an ex sim player :-). P.S. In my life I've played a lot of combat flying simulators (land, sea and subsea sims too) but it was mainly in 90's and 2000's :-) when I was younger and had more free time... I guess you would probably not even know some of the titles of then-great sim games from 90s - like "Birds of Prey", "Flight of the Intruder", "Gunship 2000" or a wonderfull "F/A-18 Interceptor" from Amiga and even a "Tomahawk" from 8-bit Atari :-). Well, the Tomahawk was not great at all ;-) but the choice was limited on Atari ;-). "Silent Service" - WW2 submarine sim was MUCH better one! My last flying sim IIRC was the Janes F-15E. It was around the time of cpt. Jeff Hwang double shot-down of Mig-29's over Bośnia. I remember I tried to recreate it as closely as possible in Janes F-15E, including Mig maneuvers, to see if the distances and timings from the description and radio recording would be similar in game :-). Can't remember the result though. Oh, and I played some Falcon 4.0 little later, too. A great sim! I've bought DCS F-16C lately, and... it waits, someday I'll give it a try... :-). And possibly I'll try Rasbam F-15E too, as I'm well used to it's radar and weapon system from playing Janes F-15E so it should be relatively easy to learn for me. We'll see if I still have the patience to learn a new sim :-)
My experience with the f14 is that it will never hit at long range, the missile will always overshoot from being too high or will simply pass by even when very close AND still having a lock while in TWS OR STT
Is that your balls under the wing at the end? Or does the tanks not drop 😂 I learned a lot today, and I don’t even sim yet! I consider you one of my preflight professors!
My understanding is that they are faster and have longer range than an AMRAAM, but are significantly easier to defeat. Still extremely useful, but it’s a tradeoff.
In segment 1, your notching technique/execution is wrong. All notching maneuvers should be executed with a high G turn to the notch, dispensing chaff, then inverting and bullseye it down at least 7-10K of altitude. This not only defeats the missile in flight, it breaks the host's radar lock, and the notching altitude change results in exiting the adversary's radar search volume. Your "taking your time" to get there results in two things: 1. The host radar can likely track you the entire way. 2. You are permitting missile fly out time that creates lateral distance between the bandit and the missile so that you cannot be sure your are notching the missile by notching the aircraft. Incidentally, the range at which you were from the bandit, a simple 30 degree heading change would have defeated the missile. So it is a tactical error to notch at that range. If your RWR gear is screaming at you, guess what? You're not in the notch. What does "pitch in defensive" mean. Never heard that before. You're not getting a radar lock is because you're trying the scan the entire southern hemisphere. If you have directional SA to the bandit, collapse your azimuth scan down to a smaller volume to increase power density around the target. If you notch with a reduced azimuth scan, slew it to the side of the threat, so that when you turn back in it is lead scanning in the turn. If you see the F3 has a track and he shows he's defending, pull him to pure and light the AB and eat up the range. Range is his friend not yours in this engagement. You got lucky many times in this fight.
You constantly need to change your radar settings in the hornet for BVR, you were scanning way too wide :) Best setting for ranges >20m is 4B, 40°, 40m high and withing 20m 4B 20m 40° med. Also TWS manually > RWS and then lock with undesignate/designate and switch to auto, not with the TDC cursor. If you do that, you won`t have to notch 3 short range missiles in a row cause you can give him some as well ;)
And this is why F-14 pilots should fly with a buddy or buddies in an L formation so even if you do cut 90 degree's your just putting yourself in the other guys radar. Or better yet bring F-16 buddies. ;)
I noticed the tomcat was using AIM-54A's. Does notching like this work against the C variant? If I'm remembering correctly, the C variant has similar avionics to the AMRAAM, and it received a recent update that gives it behavior reflecting that.
@@PyramidStudiosYT No, there are 2 versions of 54C motor, same like 54A. Power is 99,9% the same, Only real difference that MK47 Mod 1 motor on 54C is smokeless in comparison of Mk47 mod 0 on 54A
Why F14 is using old AIM54As? They are really subpar vs Fighters. That F14 should be firing 54C, with ability to go active on its own when track/lock is lost (54A cant do that), significant ECM/chaff resistance, smokeless motor etc...
Could he possibly keep changing the lock from missile radar to his aircraft's back and forth so you need to keep adjusting the notch? I mean not here but in general.
dont believe so, once a missile turns on its own radar and goes pit-bull it usually can not switch back to the aircraft's radar signals, newer missiles can guide on data link which is the closest to what your talking about.
Not with 54A. If f14 was locking f18 with PDSTT then 54A it semi active guided all the way. Missile will not go active, and its trashed if f14 loses lock. PDSTT turns 54A into giant Sparrow.
The problem with this in real life would be that there's normally more than one F14 fighting you, and all of your wingmen notching a Phoenix would also make you all vulnerable to a Sparrow, since you're not flying hot to your enemy.
Would like to see the fight stacked against the Mk-47c variant since it's more resistant to chaffing and notching, as well maybe a f-14 perspective with a crew in the future since we haven't seen that.
Well done Mr Shot. I know a bit about the "notch" and how doppler works (I am not a fighter pilot but I do remember physics at school) Maybe when you next do one of these videos explain to the new guys what doppler radar works and how the notch partially eliminates the threat from the missile. Nice balls by the way in trusting your tactics and aircraft. Bravo!
Fantastic video! Arm chair debrief: When a radar contact has that cross over it (as at 7:40) SCS right will auto STT it. I also noticed you had HI PRF selected while the hostile was within 25 miles, that probably contributed to the small delay locking him. Thanks for all the content you make friend I really enjoy it. Great demo, I'll not fear 14 Nails so much now.
Why doesn’t this game have the Super Hornet?? It’s arguably the most important fighter in the U.S. arsenal. It’s the tip of the tip of the spear that is an American Carrier Strike Group. Why did they even model the legacy Hornet before the Super Hornet?
Check the DCS modding community, they make some really good mods for DCS, including the newer types of planes that Eagle Dynamics cannot make for allready mentioned reasons. Granted they wont be 100% accurate but it should be close enough.
MAN, just a tip...get those burners on sometimes...he was total defensive, no smoke trails after that one...he was defensive, "oh, i dont wana merge"...fuking 14... u burn to him and finish cause u cant hide from him or outrun him
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Hey guys! In this DCS World Simulator video I'm in the FA18 Hornet fighting against the F14 Tomcat flown by Pix6 (Thanks so much for the help)
This one is all about the notch, The best way to defeat the Phoenix Missile IMO.
Hope you guys enjoy!
By dodging six AIM-54s, you have done something very few have ever don in DCS.
Achieve god status in a F/A-18.
Meanwhile in war thunder you’ll be lucky if you get one kill with a Phoenix missile per day
You were flying my old squadron, VFA-131. I love to see it! The F/A-18C in game is listed as BUNO number 165407, which was from my squadron. It was aircraft 406. Great notch technique, and very well executed.
That’s awesome man
That's really cool.
How does it fly compared to the real bird?
@@speed150mph I wouldn't know about the flying part. I was an electrician. But as far as my experience goes, the sounds it makes when the engines are starting, when the APU starts and shuts down, when the canopy closes, etc, are all right on.
There is a lot of stuff that doesn't match with the real jet. For example, there is no way to check the fuel before you start it, or put on external power. We used to check it with battery power all the time, and you have to when refueling it. Battery switch to on, engine crank switch to right. That will bring up the fuel on the IFEI on the real jet. Also, for some reason they show BLIN codes on the FCS page when there is nothing wrong with the FCS. A bunch of stuff like that, which most people will not notice.
@@KevinJCoburn Well if we’re being fair, you know the inner workings of the jet better than a pilot anyway. A flight sim can fake its way through how the jet flies, it’s harder to fake (but also harder to implement) the systems that work in the heart of the jet.
Longshot, I'm a retired A10 driver and my grandson gave me a laptop and DCS over Christmas last year can you please help me with the key binding as I do not have a joystick and I'd love flying sincerely grounded 😂
It would be nice if you'd mention range to bogey now and again, particularly when the HUD's in the sun. Nice video.
Once they get into DCS, I'd like to see an AIM-260 armed F/A-18E vs. an AIM-54 armed F-14. Also an R-77M vs. AIM-54. I don't understand why we can't build a "linked" dual frequency seeker in an air to air missile. Something like a pulse doppler and millimeter wave radar. The MMW would see the notch and movement of the target aircraft.
A today's technology AESA seeker would be probably precise and smart enough, to make any "notching" attempts almost useless. Considering dual seeker option, I'd rather combine AESA radar with secondary IIR seeker to make "quiet" intercepts possible without the target ever knowing, for backup mode in heavy electronic countermeasures and against stealth targets. On the other hand, a good LPI AESA seeker combined with advanced datalink may achieve this just as well (leave target unaware untill too late to react or even untill impact). And if MAWs + laser DIRCM devices become popular on potential target platforms then IIR channel may become useless anyway, so my bet is that the AIM-260 is equipped with just an advanced AESA radar seeker.
@@amizaur3marcinostrowski186 what I wonder is why can’t you have a home-on-radar seeker, like a harm for the air to air fight. Have it so the missile homes on the radar and doesn’t turn on its own radar until either terminal homing or in case the enemy turns off its radar.
As a hornet driver myself, I find tomcats adorable
As deck crew I used to hate the F-14!!! To me it looked too big to be on the carrier. Now, I kind of miss the "Tommy".
Ouch. Fuk man. lol
@@timbaskett6299 damn things blew me over more than once on the flight deck
I had the air blown out of my lungs by a Tomcat that was just idling. I was just visiting the Nimitz. And had plenty of time to wander the deck, when it was allowed.
And made the mistake of not minding my surroundings.
Best worst experience onboard the Nimitz.
That and getting to "feel" The Cat take off from the foul line.
The Top Gun flick barely does justice to these beautiful birds on deck.
Fantastic video, thank you so much for this which is in effect a notching tutorial video - and the best I’ve seen. I’m pretty successful in PvP, but have only had limited success notching… and now I know why. I’m always screaming fast as I can fly, and it must be the limiting factor for me.
Today I was able to execute the most artfully executed notch against two inbound simultaneous AIM-120s thanks to the method in this video. Thanks Longshot!
Thats great man
This is exactly the technique I wanted to test when I finally find time to get into playing DCS ;-). I'm glad someone demonstrated that it works. Not something to depend on as the main BVR tactic, but I was quite confident that in certain scenarios against certain adversaries it might be useful. Regards from Poland by an ex sim player :-).
P.S. In my life I've played a lot of combat flying simulators (land, sea and subsea sims too) but it was mainly in 90's and 2000's :-) when I was younger and had more free time... I guess you would probably not even know some of the titles of then-great sim games from 90s - like "Birds of Prey", "Flight of the Intruder", "Gunship 2000" or a wonderfull "F/A-18 Interceptor" from Amiga and even a "Tomahawk" from 8-bit Atari :-). Well, the Tomahawk was not great at all ;-) but the choice was limited on Atari ;-). "Silent Service" - WW2 submarine sim was MUCH better one! My last flying sim IIRC was the Janes F-15E. It was around the time of cpt. Jeff Hwang double shot-down of Mig-29's over Bośnia. I remember I tried to recreate it as closely as possible in Janes F-15E, including Mig maneuvers, to see if the distances and timings from the description and radio recording would be similar in game :-). Can't remember the result though. Oh, and I played some Falcon 4.0 little later, too. A great sim!
I've bought DCS F-16C lately, and... it waits, someday I'll give it a try... :-). And possibly I'll try Rasbam F-15E too, as I'm well used to it's radar and weapon system from playing Janes F-15E so it should be relatively easy to learn for me. We'll see if I still have the patience to learn a new sim :-)
That blue note at 7:23 though! So good.
lol been flying the hornet for ages and never realized the rwr page has those two lines :D thanks for explaining that!
Glad I could help
Outstanding work LS! Trusting your training! Excellent technique, near perfect execution, and trust in both.
Thanks so much!
"The 14 nails is right there"....
Right where?
My experience with the f14 is that it will never hit at long range, the missile will always overshoot from being too high or will simply pass by even when very close AND still having a lock while in TWS OR STT
how come sometimes notching doesn't work but the radar will sometimes lose lock ? is notching 100% or random sometimes
excellent tutorial Longshot ! thanks for the excellent content!
Thanks so much!
Love your videos with GS…
nerves of steel
Awesome tutorial on notching and trusting in the tech!
On the edge of my seat the whole time!!! Nice one LS!!
Thank you very much
As long as the Tomcat doesn't have a human RIO using P-SST then this is great stuff.
Is that your balls under the wing at the end? Or does the tanks not drop 😂
I learned a lot today, and I don’t even sim yet!
I consider you one of my preflight professors!
Now do it the other way around. That IS skill.
try against mig 31 foxhound with R37 hypersonic
So are these much older AMRAAMS that suck?
Well it’s a long ranged hella fast big boom missiles that are incredibly dangerous if not notched but es to defeat if u know how to notch properly
My understanding is that they are faster and have longer range than an AMRAAM, but are significantly easier to defeat. Still extremely useful, but it’s a tradeoff.
In segment 1, your notching technique/execution is wrong. All notching maneuvers should be executed with a high G turn to the notch, dispensing chaff, then inverting and bullseye it down at least 7-10K of altitude. This not only defeats the missile in flight, it breaks the host's radar lock, and the notching altitude change results in exiting the adversary's radar search volume. Your "taking your time" to get there results in two things: 1. The host radar can likely track you the entire way. 2. You are permitting missile fly out time that creates lateral distance between the bandit and the missile so that you cannot be sure your are notching the missile by notching the aircraft. Incidentally, the range at which you were from the bandit, a simple 30 degree heading change would have defeated the missile. So it is a tactical error to notch at that range. If your RWR gear is screaming at you, guess what? You're not in the notch. What does "pitch in defensive" mean. Never heard that before. You're not getting a radar lock is because you're trying the scan the entire southern hemisphere. If you have directional SA to the bandit, collapse your azimuth scan down to a smaller volume to increase power density around the target. If you notch with a reduced azimuth scan, slew it to the side of the threat, so that when you turn back in it is lead scanning in the turn. If you see the F3 has a track and he shows he's defending, pull him to pure and light the AB and eat up the range. Range is his friend not yours in this engagement. You got lucky many times in this fight.
Great fight :D
You constantly need to change your radar settings in the hornet for BVR, you were scanning way too wide :) Best setting for ranges >20m is 4B, 40°, 40m high and withing 20m 4B 20m 40° med. Also TWS manually > RWS and then lock with undesignate/designate and switch to auto, not with the TDC cursor. If you do that, you won`t have to notch 3 short range missiles in a row cause you can give him some as well ;)
expensive fight.
Lol in real life someone would have ejected
The hornet my baby 🎉
The phoenix is so useless now. If you died by it, that means you probably made 10 mistakes
And this is why F-14 pilots should fly with a buddy or buddies in an L formation so even if you do cut 90 degree's your just putting yourself in the other guys radar. Or better yet bring F-16 buddies. ;)
Way to go! This is the best video featuring the F/A-18 technology thus far - which has s special place in my heart. Great Job!
Thank you so much
I noticed the tomcat was using AIM-54A's. Does notching like this work against the C variant? If I'm remembering correctly, the C variant has similar avionics to the AMRAAM, and it received a recent update that gives it behavior reflecting that.
It does but its much harder than 54A. More significantly 54C can go active on its own when track/lock is lost. 54A cant do that
@@The_Tau Shame he didn't have the Tomcat use the 54C then. Are there any tradeoffs like rocket motor burn time?
@@PyramidStudiosYT No, there are 2 versions of 54C motor, same like 54A. Power is 99,9% the same, Only real difference that MK47 Mod 1 motor on 54C is smokeless in comparison of Mk47 mod 0 on 54A
Really nice camera work there! And skill from both of you
Thanks so much
I’m not even in the game and that RWR screaming is making me uneasy 😬
Why F14 is using old AIM54As? They are really subpar vs Fighters. That F14 should be firing 54C, with ability to go active on its own when track/lock is lost (54A cant do that), significant ECM/chaff resistance, smokeless motor etc...
Those blue notes are so sick
Could he possibly keep changing the lock from missile radar to his aircraft's back and forth so you need to keep adjusting the notch? I mean not here but in general.
dont believe so, once a missile turns on its own radar and goes pit-bull it usually can not switch back to the aircraft's radar signals, newer missiles can guide on data link which is the closest to what your talking about.
@@fireballa9526 what if engineers could make them switch between missile radar, awacs, and aircraft 🤔🤔 that would be something
@@ZigzagEnd I believe they can nowadays, but the phoenix is a 70s-80s missile. DCS does not model really modern systems for obvious reasons.
Not with 54A. If f14 was locking f18 with PDSTT then 54A it semi active guided all the way. Missile will not go active, and its trashed if f14 loses lock. PDSTT turns 54A into giant Sparrow.
Nicely done, I don't play but I for sure love to watch the logistics of what tactics to use in a given situation. Thanks for the video!!!
Thank you
Put some real Phx missiles on the 14. Like the MK47 or MK60 54C
The problem with this in real life would be that there's normally more than one F14 fighting you, and all of your wingmen notching a Phoenix would also make you all vulnerable to a Sparrow, since you're not flying hot to your enemy.
Would like to see the fight stacked against the Mk-47c variant since it's more resistant to chaffing and notching, as well maybe a f-14 perspective with a crew in the future since we haven't seen that.
Well done Mr Shot. I know a bit about the "notch" and how doppler works (I am not a fighter pilot but I do remember physics at school) Maybe when you next do one of these videos explain to the new guys what doppler radar works and how the notch partially eliminates the threat from the missile. Nice balls by the way in trusting your tactics and aircraft. Bravo!
Useful demonstration of notching the Phoenix
"Be brave, man. Be brave!" LOL..
Holy edge-of-your-seat, Batman!
Ok, but where is the blooper reel where you get smoked half a dozen times?
That's most of my time in DCS lol
Wouldn't it be wise to turn off your exterior lights in a fight?
I’m going to try this in warthunder and come back and see how well the phoenix weakness is modeled
Why did you choose to slow down during the notch @6:09 ? Couldn't you maintain the notch at higher paces?
now notching is very very hard if they have a pd-stt lock on you from what i found
Great Job👍
please explane what is going on
nice fight
Awesome fight. And great video editing.
Thanks so much
Fantastic video! Arm chair debrief: When a radar contact has that cross over it (as at 7:40) SCS right will auto STT it. I also noticed you had HI PRF selected while the hostile was within 25 miles, that probably contributed to the small delay locking him. Thanks for all the content you make friend I really enjoy it. Great demo, I'll not fear 14 Nails so much now.
Good lord! That was crazy. Are you still playing in VR or more so with head tracker?
Can you imagine a modernized phoenix? With say…the tracking radar(side scan) of the meteor?
Awesome video!! Can u make a video doing it against the Meteor??
Max Disrespect!!!!
Wow! Another great vid. Very technical but nonetheless interesting! 👍
Thanks so much
Damn dude, the visuals and sound are just so good in this video
Thank you very much
1st!
Why doesn’t this game have the Super Hornet?? It’s arguably the most important fighter in the U.S. arsenal. It’s the tip of the tip of the spear that is an American Carrier Strike Group. Why did they even model the legacy Hornet before the Super Hornet?
Probably licensing issues?
Pretty sure it's mostly about classified stuff. That's why no f-22, f-35, newer f-16 etc.
Lots of the info is still classified, which is also why we don't have a proper F-14D yet
Check the DCS modding community, they make some really good mods for DCS, including the newer types of planes that Eagle Dynamics cannot make for allready mentioned reasons. Granted they wont be 100% accurate but it should be close enough.
Trust a notch, live the notch, b the notch
"I was born in the notch, molded by it..."
MAN, just a tip...get those burners on sometimes...he was total defensive, no smoke trails after that one...he was defensive, "oh, i dont wana merge"...fuking 14... u burn to him and finish cause u cant hide from him or outrun him
but that was great, anyway
F/A-18E/F Super Hornet against the F-14D Super Tomcat question mark?
how dare you kill a tomcat