Lee seunggi saying idols perform a lot of songs in 30 minutes completely ignoring all the physical conditioning they go through for months before, while putting boys without the same preparation
But he should these are just trainees or most of them are trainees. Only few of them have debuted before. So they are not used to performing straight for 30 minutes.
@@vixxexo6855 No, idols and artists go through a lot of preparation to be able to perform for 30 minutes or more, weeks or months before, big artists like Taylor swift do a lot of preparations to perform for 3 hours of show and she doesn’t even dance a lot, idols like bts already showed the members collapsing backstage even with preparation, there’s no logic to what he said
For someone who’s been mistreated by his own company, Lee Seunggi had the nerve to actually promote and romanticize abuse on screen. So disappointing! Seeing him brush it off was just disgusting.
I think a lot of idols have this mentality of, if I had to struggle, so do you. Maybe they resent the people who broke them down, so they take it out on aspiring idols to feel justified or to get revenge. If not that, then it's the years of being a trainee which demanded absolute obedience that turned them into passive bystanders.
its absolutely that. the power dynamics switched. its like "i wont let these newbies get by easy, they have to prove themselves worthy to compete with me." i think fans underestimate how competitive the idols themselves can be, idols aren't just all besties, they also care a lot about their own "standing."
another thought, its almost like your parents or grandparents complaining how easy the youth has it nowadays, while they had to work 24/7. at a certain point they'll take great pride in having endured that suffering, and will look down on you for having it easier in any way.
@@ajlee2168 I think most are idols very competitive and not just kpop but just korean society in general, its extremely competitive so much so that it becomes unhealthy.
fr, but the lack of empathy just astounds me, considering that as idols they know how it feels, especially the ones who went through survival shows too. who even thought this was a good idea...
The fact these judges are kpop idols themselves ATLEAST their fans now know they're absolutely heartless like letting ur juniors suffer in an industry that you're in is crazy to me
Honestly , I am side-eyeing all the idol judges included in this. Who even thought this was a good idea? Repitition of dance moves while burning out doesn't bring out someone's talent, literally treating them like pawns and robots. I thought I-LAND was terrifying and now it's this. We are supposed to put out the idea of working to the bone and survival shows are now like this.
If that trainee could risk everything he's worked for-potentially giving up his debut and even risking being blacklisted from K-pop-just to stand up for human rights, despite already passing the test, why can’t the judges? He did it with a language barrier on top of that. Being Chinese in K-pop is hard enough, but he showed way more guts than those ruthless judges.
@@wondeukiforwonderfullifeu_8137 그 테스트에 대해 항의를 한 중국인은 무조건 탈락이다,,물론 그 항의 취지에 대해서는 나도 이해는 한다,,, 그런데 회사는 그같은 참가자는 절대 데뷔 시키지 않거든,,,, 회사가 원하는 것은 아무리 어려워도 묵묵히 인내 하고 수행하는 참가자 라고 ,,
Respect to some of the contestants for standing up for themselves. They aren’t robots. They are people with feelings and we shouldn’t treat them like objects to play with.
I'm so dissapointed in the idol judges, especially idols hwo've been in the industry since a young age or on a surivial show like Eunbi. Idols always say "we worked so hard from a young age and it was xshating =" but now they are doing the same to their younger ones instead of being better role models than the ones they had themselves. Not to mention if you have been through a surivial show you know how hard it is. how could you?1.
the fact that hui just came out of boys planet pretty recently and still showed no empathy for these trainees.. safe to say I won't be listening to his music anymore.
Syo getting one star is wild, guy is talented and have visual and the mentor saying he should try to be model even that Syo is trying a chance to be an IDOL
It made me so mad what Daesung said about him being an artist and not an idol. Like dude is talented and clearly shows promise. What’s more can you a judge ask for? Dude is holding on to some outdated ideas of K-pop.
“But Idol does 1 hour concert.” That assumes the idol has enough song material, meaning a wide range of songs they had to train, and that they are well established. Not to mention that Idols don’t just have title tracks with flashy choreography. They also have B-Sides that have not as tiring choreography. Idk what Lee Seunggi was going with this claim. It reminds me of a dad trying to teach you geometry and expects you to get it correct on the first go.
How can you fairly evaluate contestants when there are 69/68 people dancing at once and progressively getting more tired because they have to do it again and again until every contestant has been 'evaluated' with only 30 second breaks in between.
It's kpop with a K of North Korea. lol Btw, whoever wants a more human/real idol competition, go watch No No Girls, it is an Idol competition/ training camp promoted by the jpop singer CHANMINA. She's not only wholesome and badass but also all the girls are sooooo unique and raw but in a talented way. It's truly a lovely watch and I can't wait to see their group debut!
2:30 there is a reason why athletes have a preseason and training in between games to ensure their fitness levels are at the top. Idols don't just sit all day for months doing nothing before a concert. They definitely get diet changes and gym routines to ensure they dont get injured while traveling and performing nonstop for a tour/concert.
Lee seungi is the worst judge out there i lost all respect for him i mean all judges are bad but he is specifically inhumane and the brain rotted people defedning the show saying "its a survival show they are going to face so much more" need to get a reality check torturing and abusing trainess who are literal children isnt acceptable ur favs who are the judges on this show are wrong deal with it and i totally agree the idol judges like kwon eunbi and yoon and that dude from pentagon are pathetic i lost all my respect for them too they were supposed to stand for those trainess instead they sat back and watched the trainees get abused i was so dissapointed with those idol judges they were acting like clowns and their fans defending them was another circus lol
This have nothing to do with the talk of the video, but MAMA being an "asian" awards is a joke is better they change the name for "korean" awards because only includes K-pop. Even tho Asia have J-pop, C-pop and many others groups or even soloists from this other areas
MAMA should be MKMA bcoz all Kpop & 90 % korean idols, but keep leeching in Japan, Thailand, Philippines to take people's money since its already flop in Korea but give the minimum respect to the country's artists they hold MAMA
The insane lengths these survival shows go to for engagement and hype are absolutely off the charts. How can those judges just sit there and say, "You wanna be a K-pop idol?" while actual people are on the ground, hyperventilating? They're humans, not machines.
ILAND is in my opinion, the WORST survival show in kpop, like that thing was a SURVIVAL show, the hunger games of kpop if you will, and STARLIGHT BOYS might be the twin of this god awfull show. Like the way enhypen is to this day traumatised from iland, i hope the trainees will be okay.
@mookmeek @@ajlee2168 they could not leave, could not do anything, cameras were evrywhere, they were put against each other, judges were harsh af, you had to betray your friends in order to have your place, and even then nothing was sure. i watched that show in 2020, when it aired, let me tell you, i will never watch it again, that shit was heart beaking, but you could watch it if you want!
They may think this dance-30sec break thing is like a concert but the thing is most of these contestants haven't been trained to such an extent and it's such a lame excuse to say when contestants are very clearly struggling to keep up with only 30 second breaks to rest and calm down after dancing a choreography full of up-down-left-right...
As someone who’s watched a lot of survivals shows, you realize that there’s a level of unfairness in these shows. Yet, after watching the show to see what’s real and what’s internet hearsay, Starlight Boys displays so many issues. The Judges are oddly strict and sometimes rude (especially, Lee Seung Gi and Daesung). Just so many rude comments. Moreover, there’s also this subtle discrimination between the foreign and Korean contestants (it’s so off putting). I can only imagine what the environment is truly like, there are some good moments, but unnecessary elements ruins it.
I haven't watched the show, but I don't really understand how the judges are being blamed for everything? Like they aren't responsible for the unrealistic and demanding tasks given to the contestants, right? They are probably people who, just like the contestants themselves, are just a tool for the executives in order to create attention and drama. I would imagine they are under strict contracts, that prohibit them from really speaking out about it. I guess some of them could and should have acted more empathetic towards the contestants, who were facing harsh conditions, but let's not just blame these people for everything and forget about the people with actual power pulling the strings behind the scenes.
I’m not a fan of the judges, and while I understand the attendees and fans voting; it gives no credibility to talent. Mentoring is teaching and leadership to improve the trainees. These mentors have failed to mentor. What has sit ups to do with picking songs, or randomly drawing names as leaders got to do with leadership? The entire program seems to be dead set against the most talented. Humiliating the talented is not the way to build a group fans will follow.
I have the same opinions with you and I don't care if I liked those so-called idols who are now a "Guider" in that show. I and other fans are really disappointed on them for now defending the trainees. I understand that they might only fear theur reputation will go down if they sided on the traineed instead of the shady personnels behind that show. Thst's cowardice anf selfishness
I've never liked the fact that these shows have so many trainees, because let's be honest, half of them are just used as extras for free, they won't even be given a chance, they just play with their dreams. If the other seemed cruel to me, this one is bordering on inhumane, you can't treat the boys like they were machines. What a disappointment with Lee Seung-gi, in Loud he was a sweetheart with the boys, but it seems that he sells himself for money.
Money is probably playing a role here, T encent is paying SBS huge amount to coproduce this show, since idol shows have been banned in China after Youth with You 3 (which is a direct “prequel” to Starlight Boys, SB is a rebrand of that show).
Thats their way go get more n more publicity. Any publicity would do, wether its Negitive or positive. Nah cuz how in the world did they think they'll pull this off without any backlash? Dafuq?
I think that a big reason why the idols aren't showing empathy is because they've been conditioned into thinking this is normal since they were young. We know on a surface levels the way Idols train, and this just goes to show that we don't know the last of it. If you've been taught for the longest time that 2+2=5, i'll be something extremelly hard to convice you the answer is actually wrong. And it's not to say the criticism is wrong, but hopefully we'll see it in a less hateful and toxic kind of type than usual.
And the way hangyul and yoonjun got only 1 star and lee seungi saying that hangyul got no charm and is not smiling like obviously he was so exhausted and after this segment most of the trainees were admitted in hospital including hangyul
The thing is....I watched the first two episodes because of all the buzz that was going on to see how really inhumane the judges were to the trainees as many were saying and if it beats Iland as I'm not gonna lie...Iland dramatized me and I wasn't event a participant😅...as it was good but emotionally forever apart...so I got scared of survival shows... But I'm not gonna lie here...I was a baby kpop stan in 2020... So now I really don't hold the judges responsible... First of all producers of the show are responsible for how everything goes down....The Judges just follow how the show is directed.... Second what does it take to really become and survive as a kpop idol????
Many of us only see the finishing touch when a kpop group debut...but if we were to follow them all from start to finish...they go through similar and even worse evaluation than what the judges here oversee....I know...some things might look and sound harsh...but its like the same things in a soilder camp...when they have you training for hours...who can stand up and say they are humans and not machines?? Especially focusing on the last part in episode 2 where they faced elimination....that wasnt testing how much of a good dancer or ability to sync their voices with the song and dance in harmony alone...It was how they would act under and handle and pressure...many of us forget becoming a kpop idol isn't easy...esp going through the survival show path.... Its brutal clear and simple....and many trainess should already know and prepare for this...why do you expect many of the Guiders... its doesn't faze them???? Because this is the reality of becoming a kpop idol...many went through same or similar situations or seen it close up before...I'm sorry guys if the trainees cant handle this much...they will be eaten up by all the group that are already master at what they do.... Have y'all ever wonder why BTS is the best and no one can compare to them in the kpop world....BTS use to put in 12 hours a day to master their synchronized routine and whip the members who couldn't dance in shape....guys lets be honest..its ok to empathize with the stress pain and pressure the trainees are and will face...I even cried along... Even through the verbal evaluations made by the judges aka guiders...may be harsh too....umm guys that why they are there???.... many of the trainees are very bad in everything...even those who debuted before put up some disappointing performances...so better hear all constructive criticism from the Guiders now....than from the fans and antis later😅...If they cant handle the Guiders imput...how will they face and survive the brutal Knets and Cnets opinions???? And if we as
Being pretty alone and doing the bare minimum won't allow your group to stand out even when debut and after debut even more dedication the keep your group revalant will be done... Its not for the faint of hearts and weak pretty boys...they have to build up both mental and physical endurance....the one who spoke up...the Chinese trainee...I know him well as I watched him debuted in China in Xform....I don't blame him actually because serving the trainees going through that and he's there to witness it....he probably felt compelled to say something which he did....but as the judges explain...this is nothing compare to what they will face upon debut....and many are cursing him for telling the truth....but its the truth...as an audience and fellow trainees...he needs to show them his support so they can fight through the pain and try to pass...its brutal but its fact..I'm sorry... But many of us aren't thinking logically and are just basing our criticism on our emotions alone...Ill continue watch as the show soaked my interest so lets see...
If ppl really stop watching these "survival" shows then they won't be making it anymore. All these types of videos, unfortunately they add to the popularity of the show so they're not gonna stop.
I think it’s time for some of you to re-evaluate whether you are comfortable consuming music from the K-Pop industry. The training system has always been brutal, long before your favourite artists even debuted. I’m willing to bet that most (if not all) of your favourite idols have gone through the same (if not worse)training conditions just to debut. Also, I think that a lot of these survival shows are pre-scripted and pre-planned so I can’t even say for sure that the judges have much say in the direction it goes; I think they are most likely just puppets alongside the contestants for the production team. Remember, reality TV isn’t always real.
All in all- the overall blame is in the mentality and self indoctrinated conditioning in those countries. They are raised being taught that to earn a living you have to take suffering for it to the extremes. The risk it all endurance type mentally that’s only self destructive by nature. In East Asia theres an IMMENSE workaholic mentality encouraged and I completely see why the judges even though, being idols themselves, said what they said and did what they did. It’s all they know- it’s societal Stockholm syndrome.
Your opinion on: VIVIZ's "SHHH," NCT DREAM's "FLYING KISS," WOOSOO's "SMALL TALK," the youngest K-pop group that has young members *(GROUP NAME "BURVEY")* & The GRAMMY's not nominating any Korean K-pop groups/artists?
Let me say from the basic issue, they must repeat the dance over and over again are pointless. I watched survival show prom produce 101, they just need to record the dance performance then the mentor evaluate them from with dance video. No need to dance over and over again. I mean did the mentor can't evaluate them correctly?? Why do they have to dance so many times??
MY REACTION LOOKED THIS REALITY SHOW: 1.Trainees doesn't meant they can be abused (this is blatantly abusive harmful..) 2. This reality proof is inhumane show I ever watched in my lifetime... I cried not because of joy n touched (but I can't endure this kinda abusive show.. This totally harmful, toxic and abusive). 3. This is pure cow cash circus kinda reality show treating all contestants inhumane. (They're young have ambitions but faces this kinda abusive show for globally entire world can see they're suffering). Would you be silent see that's is your son, brother, family be treating liked that. 4. See they exhausted, tired, can't catch a breath after repeating routines dancing back to back. They could face health problems. Are they going to stop until someone died. (That to late) 5. I totally disagree with panel judging.. (Wow now I know how toxic mindset try push their narrative to k-pop so this is allowed) 6. Biased given score just by their looks (contestants face) not by their talent. OUR RESPONSIBILITY : 1. We should be take responsible to REPORTING this TH-cam Channel .. (As they heartless.. we going to taken this responsibility..) 2. We should put stop to this kinda abusive show. 3. Are you (we) going to seat quite and be silent?!! Let's them get away just for reality show sake narrative. This is 2024 for God's sake. Our voices should be heard
OMG, the Grammy nominations were just revealed and I am literally shocked. First, Ariana was not nominated in any of the big categories, then Sabrina was nominated for album of the year as well as Charli XCX which is a joke to me (Sabrina has three popular songs from this album, nothing else is relevant, new, or pushing boundaries; Charli's album is not as big as the concept itself, like people know about Brat and the concept but nothing about the songs), then RM was not nominated for the alternative music category which is not fair to me since Eminem was nominated but his album is not that good, then Taylor was nominated for everything. I AM DONE WITH THE GRAMMYS. IT IS A JOKE TO THE ARTISTS.
@@IoveIie I am not a big bts fan but rm deserved it for that category I mentioned. JK didn't cause the pop categories are definitely own by the girlies this year. As a big Ariana fan I am truly mad
first of all, this has nothing to do with the topic of this video and i find it puzzling that you would talk about this when it's not the topic of discussion. second of all, i disagree with your opinion on charli xcx. BRAT is the album of the year (even chappell roan's album comes close imo) and nobody can change my mind otherwise. she had many bops from that album that were used in trends and hype, like 360, 365, von dutch, apple, guess etc. i believe that the album itself is well-known in BOTH concept and music. the album was well received with the public and has a deluxe version, aswell as a remix album where one song was with ariana. as an ari fan, i think you should be supporting her rather than slandering other artists. while you can have your opinion, i believe that you need to objectively have your facts straight before trying to come for artists you don't even know and don't listen to. xx
I’m conflicted because will this negative attention affect the final group? Like will people not care because of this one episode? Or will people feel so sympathetic towards what happened to them that they’ll be watched and thought of harder knowing what they had to undergo?
it's funny how the idols who pretend to be " super professional mentors " will get second hand embarassement if we show them their trainee days clips , wait , no need to go back to their trainee days, just brings real professional dancers , singers and more than +12years of experience idols to check and evaluate their current fancams and i'm sure that we'll find a great amout of criticizm to be said. i'm not saying idols should be perfect, it is okay to keep improving little by little aand imperfections are human but i don't like how they're acting as if they know the game when most of them do not even have the perfect qualities they're talking about. what if we touch some grass and try to support those teenagers who are already facing enough mental issues and help them with what we've got rather than act all cool when we're not even there? i think they're aiming at creating this tragedy of a group who faced a lot to debut because fans we'll have enough tiktok content to create about their bias breakdown in his pre-debut era. i'm speechless truly..
How do you all think your favorite idols get train? They get treated just like that remember that many have mentioned they used to dance 12 hrs nonstop sometimes without even allowed to drink water so YOU the viewers are the ones to blame for keep watching this horrible shows but i am sad when current idols joined this shows they always become cold and cruel from lisa , twice members,snsd members to now Eunbi
Where do you get this from? No human can dance for 12 hrs nonstop without water. You are literally trying to say that start dancing at lets say 7:00 am and finish 7:00 pm. That's not possible especially without water. 1. Trannies have many classes other than dance aka singing, production, language, modelling and they also have to attend school. 2. Non stop training without water only lasts for 30 sec max, literally after 30 sec the human body starts grasping for air and water and the body is a bit tired . You will have a heart attack or a brain hemorrhage when you go past 2 hrs without rest or water. Even soldiers aren't trained like this
I mean really lee from big bang definitely needed to shut his mouth your group already has a dark cloud over the history of one of your members so to participate in literally the same type of behavior as your member did power hungry and no care for the well being of ppl is beyond crazy to me it just shows just because he wasn't involved in what seungri was into he has a different appetite for being a narcissistic power hungry A hole . Then they're zenophobe, but let's be honest racist they don't like anything ethnic like syo being black and Japanese knowing the idol industry already treat Chinese , Japanese, Thai idols like step kids . How can anyone take advice from ppl who don't know what a note is without autotune or what a mic being on is actually the idols they pic are second hand bevause the ones who actually have talent never go on these type of shows that script this type of behavior . The one that I know of Lisa that did hell she at least tried to be nice even when they wanted her to be mean being she understood being thai
Somebody needs to say this fuck up things and I’m glad your putting out this to the world you’ve become my voice I wanted to have. I’m boycotting this show plus IQIYI by canceling my subscription I have for almost 5yrs now.
please do not spread misinformation about yoon. there is one clip taken out of context about her asking trainees why they were clapping which everyone is using as an opportunity to send her death threats and hate. that comment in itself isnt even remotely bad enough to warrant such hate. but if you watch the full clip the performance was terrible and some of the trainees were clapping sarcastically and thats why yoon asked them why they are clapping. literally every other clip of her has been her being encouraging or giving valid criticism which is her job as a mentor. its the producers fault for creating such a horrible show and most of the mentors are probably in contracts that prevent them from stepping in. especially yoon is a female idol, the youngest mentor in the show and comes from a small company, and anything she might say against the producers wishes will damage her own reputation. i dont know much about lee seunggi so i wont go as far as defending him. if the show is not scripted, what he said clearly isnt right but there is so much misogyny in the kpop fandom that yoon is getting so much hate over one line but ive barely seen anyone talk about this man's actions we dont know how much of the show is scripted so the best way to stop giving producers chances to make such shows is to stop watching and not bring attention to these shows.
Twice survival show is the worst the whole fat shaming issue. JYP letting a teenager a young girl hear see these comments about her body. Somehow it was okay because that is what the industry wants.
Fat shaming is much less bad than actual physical torture, mental torture and overworking they are experiencing. Literally go look at starlight boys before comparing what they are going through to fat shaming as if that was on the same level...
@@lunaris7342 I didn't say the girls didn't go through anything. But when you compare sixteen to starlight boys, what the girls went through is not even close to being as bad as what is happening right now in starlight boys
What kind of values do you think Koreans have about men?,, I'll tell you,,, a weak guy is looked down on in Korea,,, You here don't know Koreans at all,,,, the process of making K-pop and its characteristics are Koreans themselves,,, K-pop is a fiercely competitive industry and not a playground for children,,, Most Korean men have served in the military for dozens of months, and they have to go through a more difficult process than the training that K-pop male idols usually go through. ,,, Listen to me carefully,,,, to a Korean man like me, that just looks like playing,,, do you get it?,,,, The training system of K-pop is almost similar to the training of soldiers in the military,,, and you can understand it as a product of military culture,,, The military is actually the most efficient group,,, The Korean spirit and the social structure of Korea itself were greatly influenced by the military, and as a result, K-pop has become so successful worldwide,,, You should thank the Korean military.
In fact, this kind of incident is familiar to Koreans, and they try to tolerate it to some extent. If you find this incident unpleasant, you should stop consuming K-pop. Because K-pop was created through this process. So if you are conscientious, you should reject K-pop and stay away from it. This is the only solution. However, most Koreans will think that this is nothing.
The K-pop training system is originally like that,,it's based on competition and the process is not painful,,so they pick the best members,,and what the company demands is that you be the best among them,,,
The fact that you decide to boycott the show or the guiders songs doesn't affect anything 😂😂. You are just one out of millions who will do that and as such it won't make a difference. I don't see what the guiders have done to deserve all these hate comments, they are simply going according to a written script. Don't you think? I'm not trying to be unsympathetic here, but if the trainees can't handle what they are facing here, how do you expect them to cope in the real K-pop world?. Have you forgotten what the K-pop world is like? I think you guys should just rest and try seeing beyond the black and white your angeris making you see.
It is called a survival show for a reason. It is not a feel good show. The judges are doing their jobs properly. 👍 They are looking for the best. That is what this show is all about. Lowering their standards to please the feelings of mediocre contestants is not in the judges' job description. Imagine any military lowering their enlistment standards just to accommodate very fat women for the marines. 😆🤣
@@chloee164 아니야 ,,당신이 본질에 대해 모르는 것이다 케이팝의 육성체제는 군대의 병사들 육성과 거의 유사하고 ,,거의 군사 문화의 산물로 이해 하면 된다고,,군대가 사실 가장 효율적인 집단이거든,,, 한국인의 정신이나 한국의 사회구조 자체가 군대로부터 영향을 크게 받았으며 그 결과가 케이팝이 이같이 세계적으로 성공한 것이라고,,, 당신들은 한국군에다가 감사를 드려야 한다
사실 이러한 사건의 모습은 한국인들에게 익숙하며 ,,일정 정도는 용인하려고 하지 ,,이 사건이 불쾌하다고 느낀다면 당신은 케이팝의 소비를 중단해야 한다,, 왜냐 하면 케이팝이 이같은 과정을 통해 만들어져서 라고,,그러니 당신이 양심적이라면 케이팝을 거부하고는 멀리 해야 한다 ,,이것이 유일한 해결책이라고,,, ,,,그러나,,,한국인들의 대부분은 이 정도는 아무것도 아니라고 생각할것이다
Please stfu, coming from people who treat idols like robots not humans. K-pop idols or trainee are humans . You Koreans are heartless and will watch idols and trainee suffer. Just because it's normal doesn't mean it mean it's right.
If it's hard, you can give up and leave, they won't force you,,, the company debuts the applicants who have endured and persevered through everything,,, You must be K-pop fans,, but don't you know this???,,,, I'm more surprised
Kudos to that one contestant who spoke up! I think his name was, Sun Yinghao? He said and did NOTHING wrong!
The amount of aura he gained. Also respect to him
@@Bobsky143Deserved honestly.
@@_JustArandomMultistan_ frr
@@_JustArandomMultistan_ I hope he doesn't debut in the group
@@Bobsky143why? I know the show is shit but he really does deserve to debut
It's literally inhumane the way they are treating these contestants and the judges are absolutely horrible.......
aren't idk at least one like that actress non-singers? i get it's horrible entertainment but wtf are you doing here then
@@ikkl000ishe is MC tho.
Lee seunggi saying idols perform a lot of songs in 30 minutes completely ignoring all the physical conditioning they go through for months before, while putting boys without the same preparation
He literally had a thing with ex company complaining about his condition. Like tf
Plus they usually have short pause where they interact with the audience, drink water…
But he should these are just trainees or most of them are trainees. Only few of them have debuted before. So they are not used to performing straight for 30 minutes.
@@vixxexo6855 No, idols and artists go through a lot of preparation to be able to perform for 30 minutes or more, weeks or months before, big artists like Taylor swift do a lot of preparations to perform for 3 hours of show and she doesn’t even dance a lot, idols like bts already showed the members collapsing backstage even with preparation, there’s no logic to what he said
@@gbmnbm4154 don't mind them, they are a toxic user
For someone who’s been mistreated by his own company, Lee Seunggi had the nerve to actually promote and romanticize abuse on screen. So disappointing! Seeing him brush it off was just disgusting.
Lee seunggi
@@suyeesia7770whoops 😂
I think a lot of idols have this mentality of, if I had to struggle, so do you. Maybe they resent the people who broke them down, so they take it out on aspiring idols to feel justified or to get revenge. If not that, then it's the years of being a trainee which demanded absolute obedience that turned them into passive bystanders.
its absolutely that. the power dynamics switched. its like "i wont let these newbies get by easy, they have to prove themselves worthy to compete with me."
i think fans underestimate how competitive the idols themselves can be, idols aren't just all besties, they also care a lot about their own "standing."
another thought, its almost like your parents or grandparents complaining how easy the youth has it nowadays, while they had to work 24/7. at a certain point they'll take great pride in having endured that suffering, and will look down on you for having it easier in any way.
@@ajlee2168 I think most are idols very competitive and not just kpop but just korean society in general, its extremely competitive so much so that it becomes unhealthy.
@@ajlee2168 true, but every generation got thier struggles, there is no need to compare
fr, but the lack of empathy just astounds me, considering that as idols they know how it feels, especially the ones who went through survival shows too. who even thought this was a good idea...
The fact these judges are kpop idols themselves ATLEAST their fans now know they're absolutely heartless like letting ur juniors suffer in an industry that you're in is crazy to me
Honestly , I am side-eyeing all the idol judges included in this.
Who even thought this was a good idea? Repitition of dance moves while burning out doesn't bring out someone's talent, literally treating them like pawns and robots. I thought I-LAND was terrifying and now it's this. We are supposed to put out the idea of working to the bone and survival shows are now like this.
I'm so dissapointed in Yoon and Kwon Eunbi(cuz idk the others)😭
Wait what did eunbi do?
@@CrownPrinceEdvin ignoring the torture put on the trainees
If that trainee could risk everything he's worked for-potentially giving up his debut and even risking being blacklisted from K-pop-just to stand up for human rights, despite already passing the test, why can’t the judges? He did it with a language barrier on top of that. Being Chinese in K-pop is hard enough, but he showed way more guts than those ruthless judges.
If he was in the west then everyone would have praised him. Sadly korean culture is very toxic.
How is it legal to be able to treat children this way?😦🥺
한국인 중국인 일본인이라면 문제가 아니라고 생각 할것이다
Aku juga,aku tidak mengerti kenapa Sun Yinghao disalahkan untuk itu menurutku itu manusiawi untuk protes🥺
@@wondeukiforwonderfullifeu_8137 그 테스트에 대해 항의를 한 중국인은 무조건 탈락이다,,물론 그 항의 취지에 대해서는 나도 이해는 한다,,, 그런데 회사는 그같은 참가자는 절대 데뷔 시키지 않거든,,,,
회사가 원하는 것은 아무리 어려워도 묵묵히 인내 하고 수행하는 참가자 라고 ,,
Now I'm on the chinese government side, please cancel this torture because it's humiliation being streamed
That wasn't a survival show, that was a bullying show. And the fact that this was most likely all for buzz is SO. INFURIATING!!
After knowing StayC's Yoon was on there... Yeah I ain't stanning her nor her group
They was Lee Seung gi dismissed Han gyul's effort just because he was not "charming" enough🤡
Respect to some of the contestants for standing up for themselves. They aren’t robots. They are people with feelings and we shouldn’t treat them like objects to play with.
Starlight Boys... more like Gaslight Boys.
I'm so dissapointed in the idol judges, especially idols hwo've been in the industry since a young age or on a surivial show like Eunbi.
Idols always say "we worked so hard from a young age and it was xshating =" but now they are doing the same to their younger ones instead of being better role models than the ones they had themselves. Not to mention if you have been through a surivial show you know how hard it is. how could you?1.
the fact that hui just came out of boys planet pretty recently and still showed no empathy for these trainees.. safe to say I won't be listening to his music anymore.
Syo getting one star is wild, guy is talented and have visual and the mentor saying he should try to be model even that Syo is trying a chance to be an IDOL
It made me so mad what Daesung said about him being an artist and not an idol. Like dude is talented and clearly shows promise. What’s more can you a judge ask for? Dude is holding on to some outdated ideas of K-pop.
@@s.s.c0110 and the way they gave 1 star to other guy who was nothing but "cute"
@ That was so insane, the dude didn’t dance and barely sing. It was a joke.
“But Idol does 1 hour concert.”
That assumes the idol has enough song material, meaning a wide range of songs they had to train, and that they are well established. Not to mention that Idols don’t just have title tracks with flashy choreography. They also have B-Sides that have not as tiring choreography.
Idk what Lee Seunggi was going with this claim. It reminds me of a dad trying to teach you geometry and expects you to get it correct on the first go.
How can you fairly evaluate contestants when there are 69/68 people dancing at once and progressively getting more tired because they have to do it again and again until every contestant has been 'evaluated' with only 30 second breaks in between.
It's kpop with a K of North Korea. lol
Btw, whoever wants a more human/real idol competition, go watch No No Girls, it is an Idol competition/ training camp promoted by the jpop singer CHANMINA. She's not only wholesome and badass but also all the girls are sooooo unique and raw but in a talented way. It's truly a lovely watch and I can't wait to see their group debut!
2:30 there is a reason why athletes have a preseason and training in between games to ensure their fitness levels are at the top. Idols don't just sit all day for months doing nothing before a concert. They definitely get diet changes and gym routines to ensure they dont get injured while traveling and performing nonstop for a tour/concert.
Lee seungi is the worst judge out there i lost all respect for him i mean all judges are bad but he is specifically inhumane and the brain rotted people defedning the show saying "its a survival show they are going to face so much more" need to get a reality check torturing and abusing trainess who are literal children isnt acceptable ur favs who are the judges on this show are wrong deal with it and i totally agree the idol judges like kwon eunbi and yoon and that dude from pentagon are pathetic i lost all my respect for them too they were supposed to stand for those trainess instead they sat back and watched the trainees get abused i was so dissapointed with those idol judges they were acting like clowns and their fans defending them was another circus lol
They took the "survival" in survival show too literally
This have nothing to do with the talk of the video, but MAMA being an "asian" awards is a joke is better they change the name for "korean" awards because only includes K-pop. Even tho Asia have J-pop, C-pop and many others groups or even soloists from this other areas
MAMA is in itself a joke
Like when grammy most of it's nominees and winners are white people
Ikr..? Vocaloid or jpop are also popular so they could have won some award if it wasnt kpop awards...
MAMA should be MKMA bcoz all Kpop & 90 % korean idols, but keep leeching in Japan, Thailand, Philippines to take people's money since its already flop in Korea but give the minimum respect to the country's artists they hold MAMA
The insane lengths these survival shows go to for engagement and hype are absolutely off the charts.
How can those judges just sit there and say, "You wanna be a K-pop idol?" while actual people are on the ground, hyperventilating? They're humans, not machines.
Literally, that whole "survival show" is the definition of: "The industry at its worst: Starlight boys"
ILAND is in my opinion, the WORST survival show in kpop, like that thing was a SURVIVAL show, the hunger games of kpop if you will, and STARLIGHT BOYS might be the twin of this god awfull show. Like the way enhypen is to this day traumatised from iland, i hope the trainees will be okay.
im not too familiar with that, what happened on iland? were they just really strict too?
Iland was terrible, but honestly No Mercy (Monsta X) and Sixteen (Twice) were actually even worse
@@ajlee2168 they were put against each other for example
@@wiktoriamajewska4146 That doesn't tell us anything... that's literally how survival shows work.
@mookmeek @@ajlee2168 they could not leave, could not do anything, cameras were evrywhere, they were put against each other, judges were harsh af, you had to betray your friends in order to have your place, and even then nothing was sure. i watched that show in 2020, when it aired, let me tell you, i will never watch it again, that shit was heart beaking, but you could watch it if you want!
They may think this dance-30sec break thing is like a concert but the thing is most of these contestants haven't been trained to such an extent and it's such a lame excuse to say when contestants are very clearly struggling to keep up with only 30 second breaks to rest and calm down after dancing a choreography full of up-down-left-right...
As someone who’s watched a lot of survivals shows, you realize that there’s a level of unfairness in these shows. Yet, after watching the show to see what’s real and what’s internet hearsay, Starlight Boys displays so many issues. The Judges are oddly strict and sometimes rude (especially, Lee Seung Gi and Daesung). Just so many rude comments. Moreover, there’s also this subtle discrimination between the foreign and Korean contestants (it’s so off putting). I can only imagine what the environment is truly like, there are some good moments, but unnecessary elements ruins it.
I haven't watched the show, but I don't really understand how the judges are being blamed for everything? Like they aren't responsible for the unrealistic and demanding tasks given to the contestants, right?
They are probably people who, just like the contestants themselves, are just a tool for the executives in order to create attention and drama. I would imagine they are under strict contracts, that prohibit them from really speaking out about it.
I guess some of them could and should have acted more empathetic towards the contestants, who were facing harsh conditions, but let's not just blame these people for everything and forget about the people with actual power pulling the strings behind the scenes.
I’m not a fan of the judges, and while I understand the attendees and fans voting; it gives no credibility to talent. Mentoring is teaching and leadership to improve the trainees. These mentors have failed to mentor. What has sit ups to do with picking songs, or randomly drawing names as leaders got to do with leadership? The entire program seems to be dead set against the most talented. Humiliating the talented is not the way to build a group fans will follow.
I have the same opinions with you and I don't care if I liked those so-called idols who are now a "Guider" in that show. I and other fans are really disappointed on them for now defending the trainees. I understand that they might only fear theur reputation will go down if they sided on the traineed instead of the shady personnels behind that show. Thst's cowardice anf selfishness
I've never liked the fact that these shows have so many trainees, because let's be honest, half of them are just used as extras for free, they won't even be given a chance, they just play with their dreams.
If the other seemed cruel to me, this one is bordering on inhumane, you can't treat the boys like they were machines.
What a disappointment with Lee Seung-gi, in Loud he was a sweetheart with the boys, but it seems that he sells himself for money.
ILAND is defo the worst survival show ever but like starlight boys? bros about to be twinning. i love those contestants who called out that
This is more like bully show, using power to abuse instead of survival show
Money is probably playing a role here, T encent is paying SBS huge amount to coproduce this show, since idol shows have been banned in China after Youth with You 3 (which is a direct “prequel” to Starlight Boys, SB is a rebrand of that show).
Thats their way go get more n more publicity. Any publicity would do, wether its Negitive or positive. Nah cuz how in the world did they think they'll pull this off without any backlash? Dafuq?
It's all a plan for future attention for the final lineup
I think that a big reason why the idols aren't showing empathy is because they've been conditioned into thinking this is normal since they were young.
We know on a surface levels the way Idols train, and this just goes to show that we don't know the last of it.
If you've been taught for the longest time that 2+2=5, i'll be something extremelly hard to convice you the answer is actually wrong.
And it's not to say the criticism is wrong, but hopefully we'll see it in a less hateful and toxic kind of type than usual.
And the way hangyul and yoonjun got only 1 star and lee seungi saying that hangyul got no charm and is not smiling like obviously he was so exhausted and after this segment most of the trainees were admitted in hospital including hangyul
Starlight Boys is right up there with No Mercy as far as worst goes and may in fact surpass it.
I don't get it why are these judges doing this.... it's so....I can't speak properly because of it I have no words
The thing is....I watched the first two episodes because of all the buzz that was going on to see how really inhumane the judges were to the trainees as many were saying and if it beats Iland as I'm not gonna lie...Iland dramatized me and I wasn't event a participant😅...as it was good but emotionally forever apart...so I got scared of survival shows...
But I'm not gonna lie here...I was a baby kpop stan in 2020... So now I really don't hold the judges responsible... First of all producers of the show are responsible for how everything goes down....The Judges just follow how the show is directed.... Second what does it take to really become and survive as a kpop idol????
Many of us only see the finishing touch when a kpop group debut...but if we were to follow them all from start to finish...they go through similar and even worse evaluation than what the judges here oversee....I know...some things might look and sound harsh...but its like the same things in a soilder camp...when they have you training for hours...who can stand up and say they are humans and not machines?? Especially focusing on the last part in episode 2 where they faced elimination....that wasnt testing how much of a good dancer or ability to sync their voices with the song and dance in harmony alone...It was how they would act under and handle and pressure...many of us forget becoming a kpop idol isn't easy...esp going through the survival show path....
Its brutal clear and simple....and many trainess should already know and prepare for this...why do you expect many of the Guiders... its doesn't faze them???? Because this is the reality of becoming a kpop idol...many went through same or similar situations or seen it close up before...I'm sorry guys if the trainees cant handle this much...they will be eaten up by all the group that are already master at what they do....
Have y'all ever wonder why BTS is the best and no one can compare to them in the kpop world....BTS use to put in 12 hours a day to master their synchronized routine and whip the members who couldn't dance in shape....guys lets be honest..its ok to empathize with the stress pain and pressure the trainees are and will face...I even cried along...
Even through the verbal evaluations made by the judges aka guiders...may be harsh too....umm guys that why they are there???.... many of the trainees are very bad in everything...even those who debuted before put up some disappointing performances...so better hear all constructive criticism from the Guiders now....than from the fans and antis later😅...If they cant handle the Guiders imput...how will they face and survive the brutal Knets and Cnets opinions???? And if we as
Being pretty alone and doing the bare minimum won't allow your group to stand out even when debut and after debut even more dedication the keep your group revalant will be done... Its not for the faint of hearts and weak pretty boys...they have to build up both mental and physical endurance....the one who spoke up...the Chinese trainee...I know him well as I watched him debuted in China in Xform....I don't blame him actually because serving the trainees going through that and he's there to witness it....he probably felt compelled to say something which he did....but as the judges explain...this is nothing compare to what they will face upon debut....and many are cursing him for telling the truth....but its the truth...as an audience and fellow trainees...he needs to show them his support so they can fight through the pain and try to pass...its brutal but its fact..I'm sorry... But many of us aren't thinking logically and are just basing our criticism on our emotions alone...Ill continue watch as the show soaked my interest so lets see...
If ppl really stop watching these "survival" shows then they won't be making it anymore. All these types of videos, unfortunately they add to the popularity of the show so they're not gonna stop.
I think it’s time for some of you to re-evaluate whether you are comfortable consuming music from the K-Pop industry. The training system has always been brutal, long before your favourite artists even debuted. I’m willing to bet that most (if not all) of your favourite idols have gone through the same (if not worse)training conditions just to debut. Also, I think that a lot of these survival shows are pre-scripted and pre-planned so I can’t even say for sure that the judges have much say in the direction it goes; I think they are most likely just puppets alongside the contestants for the production team. Remember, reality TV isn’t always real.
All in all- the overall blame is in the mentality and self indoctrinated conditioning in those countries. They are raised being taught that to earn a living you have to take suffering for it to the extremes. The risk it all endurance type mentally that’s only self destructive by nature. In East Asia theres an IMMENSE workaholic mentality encouraged and I completely see why the judges even though, being idols themselves, said what they said and did what they did. It’s all they know- it’s societal Stockholm syndrome.
Your opinion on: VIVIZ's "SHHH," NCT DREAM's "FLYING KISS," WOOSOO's "SMALL TALK," the youngest K-pop group that has young members *(GROUP NAME "BURVEY")* & The GRAMMY's not nominating any Korean K-pop groups/artists?
Let me say from the basic issue, they must repeat the dance over and over again are pointless.
I watched survival show prom produce 101, they just need to record the dance performance then the mentor evaluate them from with dance video. No need to dance over and over again.
I mean did the mentor can't evaluate them correctly?? Why do they have to dance so many times??
I just want Xinxin to succeed in this and become more popular. ❤
MY REACTION LOOKED THIS REALITY SHOW:
1.Trainees doesn't meant they can be abused
(this is blatantly abusive harmful..)
2. This reality proof is inhumane show I ever watched in my lifetime... I cried not because of joy n touched (but I can't endure this kinda abusive show.. This totally harmful, toxic and abusive).
3. This is pure cow cash circus kinda reality show treating all contestants inhumane. (They're young have ambitions but faces this kinda abusive show for globally entire world can see they're suffering). Would you be silent see that's is your son, brother, family be treating liked that.
4. See they exhausted, tired, can't catch a breath after repeating routines dancing back to back. They could face health problems. Are they going to stop until someone died. (That to late)
5. I totally disagree with panel judging.. (Wow now I know how toxic mindset try push their narrative to k-pop so this is allowed)
6. Biased given score just by their looks (contestants face) not by their talent.
OUR RESPONSIBILITY :
1. We should be take responsible to REPORTING this TH-cam Channel .. (As they heartless.. we going to taken this responsibility..)
2. We should put stop to this kinda abusive show.
3. Are you (we) going to seat quite and be silent?!! Let's them get away just for reality show sake narrative. This is 2024 for God's sake. Our voices should be heard
Can you talk about the upcoming p1h tour? Many strange things have happened even before the conserts...
cancel this show please.
OMG, the Grammy nominations were just revealed and I am literally shocked. First, Ariana was not nominated in any of the big categories, then Sabrina was nominated for album of the year as well as Charli XCX which is a joke to me (Sabrina has three popular songs from this album, nothing else is relevant, new, or pushing boundaries; Charli's album is not as big as the concept itself, like people know about Brat and the concept but nothing about the songs), then RM was not nominated for the alternative music category which is not fair to me since Eminem was nominated but his album is not that good, then Taylor was nominated for everything. I AM DONE WITH THE GRAMMYS. IT IS A JOKE TO THE ARTISTS.
Ariana deserved a nomination but rm?? i dont think so. if anything jungook deserves it more
@@IoveIie I am not a big bts fan but rm deserved it for that category I mentioned. JK didn't cause the pop categories are definitely own by the girlies this year. As a big Ariana fan I am truly mad
first of all, this has nothing to do with the topic of this video and i find it puzzling that you would talk about this when it's not the topic of discussion. second of all, i disagree with your opinion on charli xcx. BRAT is the album of the year (even chappell roan's album comes close imo) and nobody can change my mind otherwise. she had many bops from that album that were used in trends and hype, like 360, 365, von dutch, apple, guess etc. i believe that the album itself is well-known in BOTH concept and music. the album was well received with the public and has a deluxe version, aswell as a remix album where one song was with ariana. as an ari fan, i think you should be supporting her rather than slandering other artists. while you can have your opinion, i believe that you need to objectively have your facts straight before trying to come for artists you don't even know and don't listen to. xx
I’m conflicted because will this negative attention affect the final group? Like will people not care because of this one episode? Or will people feel so sympathetic towards what happened to them that they’ll be watched and thought of harder knowing what they had to undergo?
id rather witness iil-and in irl then watch this
it's funny how the idols who pretend to be " super professional mentors " will get second hand embarassement if we show them their trainee days clips , wait , no need to go back to their trainee days, just brings real professional dancers , singers and more than +12years of experience idols to check and evaluate their current fancams and i'm sure that we'll find a great amout of criticizm to be said. i'm not saying idols should be perfect, it is okay to keep improving little by little aand imperfections are human but i don't like how they're acting as if they know the game when most of them do not even have the perfect qualities they're talking about. what if we touch some grass and try to support those teenagers who are already facing enough mental issues and help them with what we've got rather than act all cool when we're not even there? i think they're aiming at creating this tragedy of a group who faced a lot to debut because fans we'll have enough tiktok content to create about their bias breakdown in his pre-debut era. i'm speechless truly..
That program shld be ban from handling idol group survival show, Sun Yinghao and Yoo Ghang Woo already and 2 others withdrawn.
How do you all think your favorite idols get train? They get treated just like that remember that many have mentioned they used to dance 12 hrs nonstop sometimes without even allowed to drink water so YOU the viewers are the ones to blame for keep watching this horrible shows but i am sad when current idols joined this shows they always become cold and cruel from lisa , twice members,snsd members to now Eunbi
Where do you get this from? No human can dance for 12 hrs nonstop without water. You are literally trying to say that start dancing at lets say 7:00 am and finish 7:00 pm. That's not possible especially without water.
1. Trannies have many classes other than dance aka singing, production, language, modelling and they also have to attend school.
2. Non stop training without water only lasts for 30 sec max, literally after 30 sec the human body starts grasping for air and water and the body is a bit tired . You will have a heart attack or a brain hemorrhage when you go past 2 hrs without rest or water. Even soldiers aren't trained like this
I mean really lee from big bang definitely needed to shut his mouth your group already has a dark cloud over the history of one of your members so to participate in literally the same type of behavior as your member did power hungry and no care for the well being of ppl is beyond crazy to me it just shows just because he wasn't involved in what seungri was into he has a different appetite for being a narcissistic power hungry A hole . Then they're zenophobe, but let's be honest racist they don't like anything ethnic like syo being black and Japanese knowing the idol industry already treat Chinese , Japanese, Thai idols like step kids . How can anyone take advice from ppl who don't know what a note is without autotune or what a mic being on is actually the idols they pic are second hand bevause the ones who actually have talent never go on these type of shows that script this type of behavior . The one that I know of Lisa that did hell she at least tried to be nice even when they wanted her to be mean being she understood being thai
At this point, aren't the contestants basically just slaves? The whole thing is extremely disturbing.
Ohhhhh you COOKED and got a 5 star meal in the process🫂👩🏾⚖️💣💥
I don't know what is scripted and what is not, because it is clear that this way the series gets attention.
Somebody needs to say this fuck up things and I’m glad your putting out this to the world you’ve become my voice I wanted to have. I’m boycotting this show plus IQIYI by canceling my subscription I have for almost 5yrs now.
please do not spread misinformation about yoon. there is one clip taken out of context about her asking trainees why they were clapping which everyone is using as an opportunity to send her death threats and hate. that comment in itself isnt even remotely bad enough to warrant such hate. but if you watch the full clip the performance was terrible and some of the trainees were clapping sarcastically and thats why yoon asked them why they are clapping. literally every other clip of her has been her being encouraging or giving valid criticism which is her job as a mentor.
its the producers fault for creating such a horrible show and most of the mentors are probably in contracts that prevent them from stepping in. especially yoon is a female idol, the youngest mentor in the show and comes from a small company, and anything she might say against the producers wishes will damage her own reputation.
i dont know much about lee seunggi so i wont go as far as defending him. if the show is not scripted, what he said clearly isnt right but there is so much misogyny in the kpop fandom that yoon is getting so much hate over one line but ive barely seen anyone talk about this man's actions
we dont know how much of the show is scripted so the best way to stop giving producers chances to make such shows is to stop watching and not bring attention to these shows.
Twice survival show is the worst the whole fat shaming issue. JYP letting a teenager a young girl hear see these comments about her body. Somehow it was okay because that is what the industry wants.
Fat shaming is much less bad than actual physical torture, mental torture and overworking they are experiencing. Literally go look at starlight boys before comparing what they are going through to fat shaming as if that was on the same level...
Getting fat shamed is better then be forced to perform for many hours straight.
Idek which is worst....this or that.
@@aniesse8124 Have you watched Sixteen I mean im sure Starlight boys is worse but Sixteen was still traumatizing for the Girls
@@lunaris7342 I didn't say the girls didn't go through anything. But when you compare sixteen to starlight boys, what the girls went through is not even close to being as bad as what is happening right now in starlight boys
boikot! boikot! boikot!
Boycott the show
I'll still watch the show, idc what y'all say.
No one is stopping you ❤️
@howeybloom good
you're a bad person
What kind of values do you think Koreans have about men?,, I'll tell you,,, a weak guy is looked down on in Korea,,,
You here don't know Koreans at all,,,, the process of making K-pop and its characteristics are Koreans themselves,,,
K-pop is a fiercely competitive industry and not a playground for children,,,
Most Korean men have served in the military for dozens of months, and they have to go through a more difficult process than the training that K-pop male idols usually go through. ,,,
Listen to me carefully,,,, to a Korean man like me, that just looks like playing,,, do you get it?,,,,
The training system of K-pop is almost similar to the training of soldiers in the military,,, and you can understand it as a product of military culture,,, The military is actually the most efficient group,,,
The Korean spirit and the social structure of Korea itself were greatly influenced by the military, and as a result, K-pop has become so successful worldwide,,, You should thank the Korean military.
In fact, this kind of incident is familiar to Koreans, and they try to tolerate it to some extent. If you find this incident unpleasant, you should stop consuming K-pop. Because K-pop was created through this process. So if you are conscientious, you should reject K-pop and stay away from it. This is the only solution. However, most Koreans will think that this is nothing.
The K-pop training system is originally like that,,it's based on competition and the process is not painful,,so they pick the best members,,and what the company demands is that you be the best among them,,,
The fact that you decide to boycott the show or the guiders songs doesn't affect anything 😂😂. You are just one out of millions who will do that and as such it won't make a difference. I don't see what the guiders have done to deserve all these hate comments, they are simply going according to a written script. Don't you think?
I'm not trying to be unsympathetic here, but if the trainees can't handle what they are facing here, how do you expect them to cope in the real K-pop world?. Have you forgotten what the K-pop world is like? I think you guys should just rest and try seeing beyond the black and white your angeris making you see.
It is called a survival show for a reason.
It is not a feel good show.
The judges are doing their jobs properly. 👍
They are looking for the best.
That is what this show is all about.
Lowering their standards to please the feelings of mediocre contestants is not in the judges' job description.
Imagine any military lowering their enlistment standards just to accommodate very fat women for the marines. 😆🤣
are you comparing kpop with the army are you dumb
@@chloee164 아니야 ,,당신이 본질에 대해 모르는 것이다
케이팝의 육성체제는 군대의 병사들 육성과 거의 유사하고 ,,거의 군사 문화의 산물로 이해 하면 된다고,,군대가 사실 가장 효율적인 집단이거든,,,
한국인의 정신이나 한국의 사회구조 자체가 군대로부터 영향을 크게 받았으며 그 결과가 케이팝이 이같이 세계적으로 성공한 것이라고,,, 당신들은 한국군에다가 감사를 드려야 한다
사실 이러한 사건의 모습은 한국인들에게 익숙하며 ,,일정 정도는 용인하려고 하지 ,,이 사건이 불쾌하다고 느낀다면 당신은 케이팝의 소비를 중단해야 한다,,
왜냐 하면 케이팝이 이같은 과정을 통해 만들어져서 라고,,그러니 당신이 양심적이라면 케이팝을 거부하고는 멀리 해야 한다 ,,이것이 유일한 해결책이라고,,,
,,,그러나,,,한국인들의 대부분은 이 정도는 아무것도 아니라고 생각할것이다
Please stfu, coming from people who treat idols like robots not humans. K-pop idols or trainee are humans . You Koreans are heartless and will watch idols and trainee suffer. Just because it's normal doesn't mean it mean it's right.
@@Kitty_missss
but.. but it's called SURVIVAL show for a reason 😢😢💀
Damn 😭💀
You mean like The Hunger Games
If it's hard, you can give up and leave, they won't force you,,, the company debuts the applicants who have endured and persevered through everything,,,
You must be K-pop fans,, but don't you know this???,,,, I'm more surprised
It still horrible it doesnt have to be cruel and distgusting
@@lunaris7342 테스트는 극한적이지만 사실 전혀 잔인하거나 가혹한것은 아니라고 ,,왜냐하면 참가자가 견디지 못한다면 포기 하고 나가면 되거든,,,,,사실 신체적이나 정신적으로 약한 사람은 케이팝 아이돌이 될수가 없다고,,,,회사는 그러한 사람을 원하지 않아