can it be called propaganda if it is a fact such as poor heatcare , educational in geography and historical word , and racism . and colonization of the poor country
@@joshuacondell1686 both the US and the USSR used truth in their propaganda. Keep in mind the Russians were also trying to undermine the sovereignty of nations across the world. Vietnam is communist, North Korea is communist, Cuba is communist (The US was the only country that issued an embargo on them you could get Cuban cigars in Canada), The USSR attempted to turn Chile communist and attempted to gain influence over Venezuela. The number one place I like going for history is FourChan politically incorrect board, because of the fact it’s a wild west you get to hear every single thing that goes on in the world from different nationalities, and there’s no up folder down vote so the only way you can detract from an argument is by counter argument.
One of the propaganda posters in the thumbnail is an anti-syndicalist poster made by Canada from Kaiserreich. It depicts a British exile in Canada rallying his comrades against the syndicalist regime in London.
@@principalityofbelka6310 We lost the New England to revolutionaries, we lost the Old England to Revolutionaries. Either way, we're getting ourselves back an England.
"The reformers tried to build capitalist democracy, but the only point of reference they had was the Soviet Propaganda", - a half-joke in Post-soviet states about the transition from USSR to independent republics.
On the other side of the fallen Iron Curtain, the US seemed to make every effort to live up to the Soviet charactures of military-industrial complex and imperialistim. And it's not really surprizing why, many of the most crazy libertarians like Ann Rand actually formed their ideeology via the direct inversion of Soviet propaganda, aka if the Soviets said ruthless capitolism and selfishness was bad, then it must actually be good.
The collapse of the USSR was the greatest humanitarian disaster in the last 50 years and nothing comes close. Life expectancy is only beginning to recover now, and standards of living, literacy, homelessness, employment… all so horrendous problems now that never even existed before. Sad.
Those propaganda posters were designed for every branch of the Soviet economy. For some branches it was hard to make relevant posters. The most ridiculous poster, which I remember, contained the text for the Soviet fishermen: "Every single herring, we fish, serves as a strong hit to the American imperialism"
I've heard that under Mao, the Chinese had such strong anti-American propaganda and claims about our actions that even the Soviet leadership found them absurd and ridiculous (including accusations of us trying to spread plague during the Korean War, which the Soviets eventually found no evidence for whatsoever). When the world's leading experts in Communist propaganda think you've gone too far and are nuts, you KNOW you're insane.
As someone who was born and raised in USSR and knows and remembers what SU was, I have to say that this channel is one of the best on the topic. Thank you!
Did you really know how it was? You look rather young, so that means that you saw the USSR through the eyes of a kid which is let's be honest, not really a good perspective because children don't think about their surroundings and how the political system works. Like, I grew up in Africa, now I live in Europe. The country I lived in was extremely poor. Poverty and famine was all around me. Yet, I never realized that when living there. It was only when moving to Europe and growing up to be an adult that I started to realize how bad the situation was in the country I lived in. But as a kid of even nine years old, I had no clue. For me, it was normal life and not even that. I just played with my friends and ran around and did random stuff.
@@iammcwaffles5514 So what you are saying is that You can understand the way things are and were in your younger life but Mr. Magradze can't because you believe that he was either too young or non-observant of his life and surroundings. That is an interesting perspective. You realized more about the lifestyle of your younger life after you were exposed to a different and better life. I wonder if Mr. Magradze also observes how bad the conditions were in the Soviet Union because he now lives in a different and better situation than he did then. It must be quite a burden to know everything about everyone else, that they're too young and ignorant to understand. Ya'll Take Care and be safe, John
@YouDontKnowMe I appreciate you finding me young. I thought my grey hair was betraying my 47 years. I was 16 when USSR collapsed. By that time, thanks to my parents, I knew what country I was leaving, I grew up listening to BBC, VOA, Radio Liberty, maged to be (briefly) detained by the Soviet Army frollowing 1989 Tbilisi massacer after throwing rock as Soviet tanks, remember food stamps, remember reading books publishe by Samisdat, I even remember Brezhnev's death and how teacher made us all stand up and make sad faces while she was praising his legacy. I remember USSR very well and can see its brutal legacy in my country even today.
Having grown up in those times, I wonder whether the propagandists on both sides were aware that, by mixing truths with exaggerations and plain old made-up lies, the net result was that the people who were exposed to both narratives ended up believing what they wanted to believe.
People 40 years from now are going to have some really interesting documentaries to watch. Meme warfare has also changed propaganda in a huge way in our time, too.
People are stupidest they have ever been right now, you really think 40 years for now they are going to be any brighter, hell 40 years from now half the worlds population if not more will be wiped out!... and I am not talking about Climate change being the cause
Meme warfare and fake accounts,fake followers,likes, edited videos, deepfake technology, voice modification,VFX, everything adds up to be some HUGE potential for propaganda in this Cold War 2.0
Worth to note that in early 20th century, when the Russian revolution happened and before, the word Propaganda did not yet have the negative connotation that we're used to today. It was used unironically and simply translated to something like "political information". So when Lenin writes that the masses should be informed through propaganda, or something along those lines, he simply ment that his party should publish and promote their political goals, it's not to 'brainwash' people
That's what brainwashing actually is - making people believe that good is bad, freedom is slavery, and that propaganda isn't propagation(distribution) of information - it's thought control.
I attended a Soviet school in 1980's. I remember that the biggest villain in the modern world for the Soviets was Ronald Reagan. The Soviet art drew him tremendously armed with lot of nukes. In 1988 (in Perestroika era), I heard first time his original voice in English and was very surprised how mild and soft it was.
Despite of mistakes (which have any leader), he did the great job: made all the necessary diplomatic efforts to help to the Baltic states regain their independence. Big thanks for this to him from me. And, believe me, "reaganomics" is much more milder thing than the Soviet economy.
@@ivarkich1543 That is like congratulating Hitler because he was such a great supporter of the anti smoking campaign and a vegetarian. Reagen was a criminal and responsible for suffering in the millions in central and south america alone. If there was a US president that deserved the Kennedy treatmeant...it was him.
@@noobster4779 Comparing Reagan with Hitler is the most inapropriate un stupid thing in this context. Every Soviet leader actually is worse than any American president. But Lenin and Stalin even worse than Hitler. Reagan was elected in free and democratic elections, TWICE!
"They also portrayed America as a deteriorating country with a failing economic system" Pretty ironic considering what happened to the USSR soon after...
@@chiefslinginbeef3641 No we're not, unless you're referring to the re-emergence of corporate monopolies as larger companies gobble up smaller companies. But you're not. You're merely parroting the reich-wing's screeching about "socialism!"
@@BTScriviner eh, could be worse. like we went through recessions in 2008 and recently 2020 and it didnt lead to USA collapsing or losing its superpower status. If anything, even if the US is deteriorating at least they can say they lasted longer than USSR and didnt collapse
I had a college professor say that The Grapes of Wrath got pulled because the Soviets found out people were learning how easy it was for even the poorest to get cars in the United States. I've always wondered if that was true, or just one of those things that gets repeated because it sounds like it might be true.
I one time heard from someone who lived in the Soviet Union that “the difference between Soviet and American propaganda is that Americans believed theirs.”
@@IronBloodedLion ironic, because the Soviet "propaganda" was completely true in 99% of cases, whereas the American propaganda was complete bullshit, but many Americans believe it to this day
@@diphyllum8180 Actually, it's closer to the opposite. the US propaganda "effort" was miniscule compared to the USSR's. with the US having free speech and freedom of the press, both things the USSR lacked, it was and is alot harder for one group to gain a monopoly on media or pubic opinion artificially, which was the whole point. and with the availability of information being free in the US any claims made by US administrations could be verified, unlike in the USSR. which is why the USSR had huge amounts of propaganda that was largely false and the US had relatively small amounts of propaganda that was that was largely true (or at least a valid interpretation of the facts.
@@HannarrMontannarr I don't understand why people think that propaganda is always bad. Soviet propaganda about capitalism was indeed true, was it exaggerated sometimes? Yes, definitely. That doesn't make it wrong. What you can point out is the soviet hypocrisy about imperialism and how they would crush popular movements in places like Bulgaria and Poland. Soviets had not only managed to pull Russia out of its sordid feudalism they also brought about an era of equality that is unparalleled to this day.
@@ratulxy How incredibly misinformed and/or ignorant you are. Propaganda in any one party, totalitarian or dictatorial state is always bad. propaganda by definition fundamentally biased, and in such a state propaganda only serves the powers that be. Soviet propaganda was never wholly true and often completely false. capitalism is just an economic system where individuals can own capital. the USSR also operated on a capitalistic system for it's entire duration, it never wholly abolished private ownership. The real irony is that the USSR was far more bellicose, belligerent and imperialistic than the US ever was. they had taken territory from Finland, germany, romania, japan and poland. they forcibly subjugated virtually all the non-russian republics, and invaded and intervened in china, mongolia, turkey, vietnam, korea, angola, eritrea, egypt and somalia. they might have actually involved themselves in the most wars in such a short time as any state in history. Feudalism in russia ended before the Bolsheviks ever gained power, it was on the way out even before the monarchy fell. again, ironically, the soviets actually reintroduced feudalism with the kolkhoz system. How could be so stupid as to think the USSR had equality? that ranks pretty high among the most stupid things i've seen. treatment of people and application and creation of laws was entirely arbitrary, as we continue to see in other totalitarian states today. corruption was omnipresent and the difference between power and wealth was just as great as it was during the imperial times. do you really think a kolkhoz worker or a political prisoner in a gulag was equal to a politburo member?
The scene with the city life of New York has an interesting easter egg. The movie theater marquee is advertising the comedy, "The Russians are Coming, The Russians are Coming" (1966) about a Russian submarine that accidentally runs aground on an island off of New England, then has to enlist locals to help out before an international incident occurs.
I remember the movie. Carl Reiner & Allen Arkin. I love propaganda posters whether I agree with the message or not. They're pretty ingenious. Thanks for pointing that out. I sure missed it.
23:00 AN excellent example of people more likely to believe the first thing they hear, even after correct information becomes available, or the original work is retracted, is the infamous and later retracted 1998 Andrew Wakefield paper that linked MMR Vaccine to autism. This retracted paper is still an article-of-faith in the anti-vax movement.
Although the American elites are no monolith (there has usually been a conflict between High Tech and Low-Tech interests of the time) some business interests have sought to fit the Marxist stereotype of damning the workers to extreme poverty and subjection. Such economic interests that have sought to enthrall workers into serfdom or near-serfdom better serve the Communist movement than any Kremlin propagandist ever could.
A Soviet citizen commented in the post 1991 chaos: "everything they told us about socialism was false. Everything they told us about capitalism was true." Woe the Russian nation, they have been screwed over for so long, they no longer even know what truth is.
@lati long Considering the fact that putin is actively waging a war in order to gain control over a former soviet republic, the latter isn't that far from the truth. Although i think it would be more accurate to say that he wants to restore the russian empire than the soviet union.
@lati long Mission accomplished, hope the Russians like CCCP v2.0. Some of the area back, all western goodies gone. Lotsa nukes, no friends. Oh and no travelling.
I could use it against Nazis, Stalinists, and regrettably now Trump. Those who turn words into lies are even worse than those who simply contradict reality only to be caught. Those who decide the meaning of words cripple the ability of people to act rationally. After a full imposition of Orwellian culture over decades a culture needs to replace its language.
Why is the thumbnail mostly not-Russian? The one on the top left corner is a Japanese anti Roosevelt poster, the one close to it as a hoi4 mod artwork poster, and many others are clearly not soviet
Exactly! And on top of this poster, another poster, not anti-American, but anti-German - did the author check the images for the cover of the video at all?
The difference between capitalist paranoia about communist countries is that it gets your career ruined, and your name blacklisted. While communist paranoia about capitalist country gets you killed.
@@johnkramer295 The us repeatedly assassinated Black civil rights leaders like Malcolm X and Fred Hampton engaged in countless anti-communist genocides all across the planet read the Jakarta method it literally bombed black cities like in the Tulsa pogrom 1921, it used mass lynching and terror to keep its racial minorities in line Miners in west Virginia literally fought a war against the bosses and the government battle of blair mountain in 1985 Philadelphia police helicopters dropped bombs on the MOVE compound and burned down half a city block stop trying to whitewash your nations crimes, the us is far effective at using violence to crush dissent and then memory holing its atrocities its population is generally completely ignorant of its history of atrocities
Im not a leftist, I am pretty much Conservative (not American nor living in America) I am in no way saying the Soviet Union was a good thing but most of their Propaganda was pretty damn correct
I am a leftists, I'm am even a soviet citizen. And you are indeed correct, you can even see into the future if you will read Marx and Lenin, this was all predicted.
I well remember listening to Radio Moscow when I was stationed in (then) West Germany in the 80's. We were tasked with intercepting enciphered Soviet communications and occasionally would roll up RM.Good times, missed all those floods and food shortages lol Great channel!
@@stemill1569 I mean the us literally has horrific rates of child malnutrition, crumbling infrastructure, underfunded schools, lack of healthcare where people are forced to ration insulin and driven bankrupt by cancer diagnosis but keeps putting ungodly amounts of money into its military industrial complesx to slaughter brown children 20 years of Afghanistan, and after we get out the fuckers in Washington still raise the military budget by millions if anything soviet propganda was too soft on the us
This video is awesome . Truly one of the best yet. I'd love to see a video on the smear campaigns between the Soviets and Nazis in the years leading up to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact too!
@@SorceressWitch yes I just watched one of Time Ghost's videos on the interwar years and Indy didn't really go into detail on the smear campaigns between the U.S.S.R. and Nazi Germany, but basically said the Weimar Republic had made friends with the Soviets in 1922 after the Rapallo Treaty because both countries felt internationally isolated and Germany gladly took the Soviets offer to use their territory to build new weapons so that the western allies would not know. Then he says when Hitler came to power no policies changed towards the Soviets despite Nazism being opposed to Communism and in fact Hitler even reaffirmed the Rapallo Treaty. Then it goes on to talk about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of 1939 and so forth.
One thing to remember until 1945 propaganda and information were synonyms in English. So the use of the term propaganda must be viewed in that light. Not saying that your use is wrong but the USSR would have said it was involved in the information war. One that both sides used.
The most interesting pieces of propaganda here, are the ones with a kernel of truth. It makes the lies so hard to fight when you have to admit to some hard truths first.
@@jeff-nz3ij or maybe the us is just bad, maybe there's no excuse for the numerous mass murders its engaged in across the planet read the Jakarta method if anything soviet propagnda vastly underplayed the horror of the us system stop trying to whitewash the atrocities of the us
I'm from Czechia and remember my mother and grandmother telling me about a "documentary" about the US. It was meant to showcase how bad the average person had it in the US, they couldn't get over the fact that they still had many more electric appliances than them. They of course ignored the homeless shown in the documentary and that we practically eradicated social issues like that... but it still shows how out of touch the propagandists were.
These were warnings to the people but didnt listen. They saw flashy hollywood propaganda and got hooked...then they got to experience real capitalism in the early 90s...and to today
@@tavernburner3066 lol...how does that even relate to what i said? Also...us economics is just bible study for capitalists. They dont knlw how it works yet dont question it
As always a very informative video, my thanks to the team. Maybe you could consider a video on how each side dealt with the death of some of the prominent statesman on each side eg FDR, Ike, JFK, de Gaulle and Churchill in the west and Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Mao in the east.
While the USSR exploited the Black Struggle but so as the USA. Very real grassroot movements are dismissed as pro-Soviet, at best, or anti-American, at worst. Even when they know, for sure, that's not the case.
yeah but there is a kernel of truth that can't be ignore either, a lot of these movements where directly funded by the USSR..... Just saying i'm not for or against the whole thing just pointing it out
Well a lot of them were socialist. MLK was whitewashed of it, Malcom X and Huey Newton and many more died for it. But that says a lot about freedom of speech that America pushes. You are free to speak, only if you aren't heard.
My parents lived in Soviet period. All they said about USSR ( Soviet Republic of Azerbaijan)are mostly positive. As a history enthusiast I would definitely say that communism really broke the chains of religion in Azərbaijan though the country was commonly religious prior to Soviet Union, they created education system by force which I found excellent job. Now capital city is plagued by narcotics, ill education and corruption and brutal inequality, brainwashing, fake patriotism, religious cults, unemployment. Of course life standards were extremely low compared to developed western countries particularly USA but ideology itself was really humanistic.
@@tavernburner3066 It sounds the same as most other socialist apologists, "Everything was great, except in the cases in which it sucked - which was everything."
@@tavernburner3066 Socialist states had higher standards of living and economic growth than capitalist ones with the same level of economic development. The USSR started as a backwards feudal society, massively improved every aspect of life for its citizens, had a steady economic growth that was the fastest in the 20th century and didn't have any recessions. The fact that it had a lower standard of living and GDP than countries that directly benefited and are continuing to benefit from centuries of colonization and exploitation of the rest of the world isn't a "dark truth", but an inevitable reality.
@@aliensoup2420 the problem is interpeting those willing to discuss complex and nuanced issues as being dogmatic adherents to a failed ideology. By adhering to this interpretation, your adherence to "only the people who disagree with us are propagandized" is guaranteed, and all attempts at discussion will seem foolish, cause didnt we settle this already? But how can you be so sure we settled this already, did you, after analyzing with an open mind the history in its entirety, come to a conclusion which you debated with others? Or have you simply bought the ideas that you've been fed about the evils of "Communist propaganda" and how free and democratic our western nations are. Everything was great, except in the cases where it sucked can be applied to any ideology. Any ideology, period. Domt you umderstand, even subconciously, that capitalism is greatl, except for all the countries and situations in which it isnt? No dogma holds a monopoly on truth, so apply and critique all avalible tools for analyzing the situation. If you arrogantly believe in the dogma of "we know better now" you do not see human society in an impartial manner. Socialists are extremely willing to discuss the historical flaws in specific implementations, but it pains them that first they must make people realize well actually most of what youve been fed about x&y enemy society is overexaggerated. This goes no matter the type of society you live in, they all use propaganda. To deny it is to be controlled
Ironically since the fall of Soviet communism, American capitalists have become more depraved in their objectives, more effective in finding and entrenching political puppets, more willing to support mindless conduct, and more supportive of every form of political and cultural corruption. The GOP has descended from Eisenhower to Trump, going from a conservative party with no death wish to one in which Mordred types have taken over.
@SjcE capitalism means i own my own stuff and decide what to do with it. it takes the negative but ultimate truth of greed is turned from a negative to a positive by rewarding us for using our posessiosn to help others
@SjcE no, only a communist thinks there is a difference between private property and personal property. if i start a business and have employees. that business is my personal property. i own it, i made it. it's mine.
@SjcE employees are not any kind of property. they agree to work for you and are in a contract with you. but the company is still owned by one person let me destroy your silly fake religion pretending to be an economic theory with one thought......if you have an imagination you can turn any property into "the means of production" and thus all property.....is the same.
It's a miracle that the Cold War never turned hot and nuclear war was avoided. Considering the leaders of both sides weren't afraid to play dangerous games of brinkmanship, it's amazing they knew when to step back from the abyss
When watching this video and listening to the various criticisms and denunciations made by the USSR to the American State and society (obviously exaggerated, but not totally devoid of truth), I remembered a movie I watched recently - Trumbo (2015), which portrays the case of James Dalton Trumbo (1905 -1976) and other screenwriters and actors from classic Hollywood who are persecuted and falsely accused of treason and conspiracy by the State and the general community, based on their union activities and the struggle for workers' rights. After watching the movie and researching other cases on the so-called "Hollywood Black List" I couldn't help but feel disgusted and saddened by the injustice suffered by these people. I would really like to see a video about it. Thanks and keep up the good work!
"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves." Henry Kissinger
I find it ironic that many of the Soviet criticisms of the post-war United States are spot-on today. That leads me to believe they were true then, especially from the point of view of foreigners. As always you have the truth, but then it becomes a matter of degree and exaggeration.
How intriguing. Also, I don't know if you caught up with what I said, but I just want to suggest some topics for your channel just to help make it grow and far reaching as possible regarding over aspect of it. Now, keep in mind that some topics are related to the Great War channel because I want to see topics just like the Great War channel did which you’ll see what I mean if you take a look there (th-cam.com/users/TheGreatWarSeries): 1: technology and warfare collaborations ex: American assault weapons of Cold War ft. C&Rsenal or Forgotten Weapons 2: who did what in the Cold War like who did what in WW1 3: Cold War uniforms ex: Soviet uniforms, American Uniforms (in whatever time frame they’re in and how they changed over time) 4: maybe Cold War on the road (I don’t know if that’s the case but worth a shot) 5: More out of the bunker videos like out of the trenches from the Great War channel 6: maybe analysis videos of certain movies, some are fictional while others are real like bridge of spies or Indiana jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull (seems unlikely on my end, but worth to take a look at and interesting to know) 7: tank development and submarine development whether its Soviet, American or whoever That’s what I think, thank you for reading.
when i was young, my mother, a librarian, subscribed to ussr magazine. it was a large full color monthly that was full of propaganda, but i looked forward to each new issue. it was interesting to see how "those commies" lived and their culture. if it not been for the captions, it could have shown people most anywhere. i saw that the russians were not that different from us. we could have been friends instead of enemies and saved millions of lives and trillions of dollars.if the governments had just gotten out of the way, the world would have been a lot better place to live. peace on earth, good will towards men.
Right. We've already believed those same lies in the 80s and dismantled the Soviet Union, because the West said they wanted peace, love, and friendship. Then you started bombing, overthrowing, and invading everywhere non-stop. I don't know if you're living under a rock, or imagine we're this gullible.
i do like one of the posters on the thumbnail of this video is fanart from the hearts of iron 4 mod know as kaiserreich, not sure how that slipped passed them but okay.
Yeah, I have to say. Especially, for me as a med student who wants to have free healthcare for everybody. In other words, a single payer healthcare system. How foreshadowing....
At about 22:31 you can see a billboard for the 1964 comedy “The Russians Are Coming, the Russians Are Coming” which poked gentle fun at Cold War fears and hysteria and showed the Russians as just people like the rest of us. Both the Vietnam war and the assassinations and upheavals of the 1960’s did much harm to America’s image, which the Soviets lost no time in exploiting. A little more about movies: Early in the 2002 film “K-19: The Widowmaker” you can see an example of the anti-American propaganda directed at the Soviet public and Russian soldiers. And it is a fine film, directed by Kathryn Bigelow.
As many people in this comments section have already stated, most of this Soviet propaganda was completely correct about American imperialism, militarism, subjugations of other countries sovereignty, staging coups, economic warfare, and exploitation of the third world an global south etc. This isn't controversial or shouldn't be to any thinking individual.
Man. Remember when our countries had sovl? Our propaganda is lame now. Its just Call of Duty or blatant bs. Theres no artistry or real work put into it. Where's our Loose Lips? Where's our Wendy?
It’s interesting how little the anti-capitalist messaging hasn’t really changed much in the last 70 years. A lot of these phrases I’ve continued to hear to this day
Yeah. You could pretty much go right down this list and cite examples from $CurrentYear. Which leads to the obvious question: how true are these criticisms? Straight up false? True, but only compared to an ideal place that has never existed? True, compared to real actual places? Or just objectively true?
It sounds like most of these are still being used in China in some form. (It would be interesting for you to cover the polio vaccine, which was created by American scientists but were tested in USSR in large scale)
As a cold war kid I'm not sure CCCP propoganda had much reach in the UK. Your video suggest it was mostly for home consumption. Personally I'm a fan of truth based propoganda, someone else shining an embarrassing light upon your homeland can only do good.
from what i can tell, Soviet propaganda against UK happens most during the interwar years, British Empire was then the most envious enemy of the comintern
Might be a particular sticking point of the marxist analysis. If monopolies are dominant, then capitalism is spinning out of control, and thus the revolution is at hand. There's some wishful thinking going on here.
Projection is a classic dictator move "Look at them, the capitalists privatizing all industry and lording over it! Now go work your collective farm for the glory of the state and revolution"
No not really, well the state is a monopoly by definition, but the point of socialism is creating a state ruled by the workers. In that sense its the people who had the power and the state was accountable to them. It didn't quite work out like that. But hey, soviet state was a lot more accountable then amecian billionaires.
When stationed in the UK I recall tuning in to various radio stations. One of them was a pro-Soviet channel "Radio Moscow". I tuned in from time to time. Back then the Soviets had just invaded Afghanistan. Most of their presentations had a Mullah or some Afghan of importance talking about how nice the Russians were. Mostly presented from their point of view, less a message of anger. Odd, because the Cold War was heating up with monthly full NBC gear alerts.
5:05 1) This is untrue. Believe it or not, it's mostly patriotism/nationalism. For a long time, even during the Cold War and today, many Americans believes themselves as the World Policeman and that American interests were the World's interests. Even capitalist monopolies are expected to bend the will to sanctions and this is evident by all the Western companies leaving Russia out of the fear of public perception as well as Western government's legislative power 2) This is hard to say. The US and the CIA have definitely been responsible for a lot of insurgencies in the world, but not all. And the degree that the US influences these compared to how much they spring up on their own is debatable. 3) This is false. The US currently leads international cooperation and has led it since the end of WWII. 4) This is true. 5) This is mostly false and the US was a huge factor in the breaking up of the British and French empires. Although, while the US remained allies of old colonial powers, it was easy for the USSR to spin the narrative to make it seem the US was pro-colonialism. The Philippines, a colony of the USA, was even given independence in 1948, which has actually been promised to the Philippines before WWII, but it was delayed by the Japanese invasion. 6) This is somewhat true. American businesses do influence US politics through things like lobbying. Although American politician also influence businesses and monopolies. Even forcing them to break up into smaller trusts. 7) This is true, but it's much more of a recent development. Blue-collar jobs used to be a lot better. They provided good healthcare, good pay and stable careers that ballooned the American middle class after WWII. Unions were strong and effective. Now in some ways, Unions are corrupt middlemen, but at the same time, working without a Union is really shitty. 8) This is true. Anti-Communist hysteria/anti-Socialism was way overblown and we're still feeling the affects today. However, I don't approve of the West Coast Communist/Anarchist ideologes either that have seemingly really spread recently. 9) Kinda talked about already 10) This is true as much as I hate to admit it. I'm not sure about the national discrimination. The US is country made up of many different nationalities and currently only bout 60% of the population is white. While there are time in American history of discrimination against the Irish, Italians, Germans, the Chinese and Mexicans, it hardly seems unique to the USA. The target seems to move with whatever national crisis is occuring and it happens regularly in other countries. American racial discrimination is a result of slavery and the American Civil War. It's a stain on our society that it very difficult to remove. People don't understand how their ancestors could've fought for slavery and they look for another excuse while still harboring deep racial biases. 11) This is true, although, I imagine it's not actually how the Soviets portrayed it. 12) The US has high standards of living, depending on where you live. So this is true. 13) This is false. American culture is not collapsing. It has spread across the world in many ways and remains strong here in the USA. From our own music to slang and dialects, to sports, food and fashion, American culture is intact and constantly evolving. 14) This is false. American healthcare is really amazing, if you can access it without going broke. 15) This is true, but only so far as the last 20-30 years. Bush's "No child left behind" act really hurt US public education despite it's seemingly good intentions.
The entire world sees America as world police, have you seen how many people all of the world who think we should deploy troops to Ukraine to fight the Russians? Some of these are the same people who have criticized American military actions in the middle East.
I agree about many points but I will talk about healthcare specifically. I use to think too that American healthcare is bad until I realised it was about how much people can't afford it so it was bad in that sense
@@willr7849 people have weird opinion about us interference let me clarify they want us to interfere when it is for good cause and be isolationist when not needed. That's why usa get praised when talked about ww1 and ww2. But get criticized during middle east
Our country made a lot of propaganda against them too. I’ve seen some that literally describe capitalism as communism. It was so obvious it made me laugh. But I’m sure people who weren’t thinking or understanding the difference understood.
I hear that shit every day in the states. At least soviet propaganda was accurate. Americans still cant describe communism to this day...hell, many self -described socialists cant accurately describe their position. Most brainwashed nation on earth and ill die by that statement. Blows my mind
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can it be called propaganda if it is a fact such as poor heatcare , educational in geography and historical word , and racism . and colonization of the poor country
David great job talking about this important mankind period. Please do a video about US intervention in Dominican Republic in 1965.
#THECOLDWAR will you do anti CCP 🇨🇳propaganda even today's propaganda in U.S
@@joshuacondell1686 why are we in Ukraine?
@@joshuacondell1686 both the US and the USSR used truth in their propaganda. Keep in mind the Russians were also trying to undermine the sovereignty of nations across the world. Vietnam is communist, North Korea is communist, Cuba is communist (The US was the only country that issued an embargo on them you could get Cuban cigars in Canada), The USSR attempted to turn Chile communist and attempted to gain influence over Venezuela.
The number one place I like going for history is FourChan politically incorrect board, because of the fact it’s a wild west you get to hear every single thing that goes on in the world from different nationalities, and there’s no up folder down vote so the only way you can detract from an argument is by counter argument.
One of the propaganda posters in the thumbnail is an anti-syndicalist poster made by Canada from Kaiserreich. It depicts a British exile in Canada rallying his comrades against the syndicalist regime in London.
Glad I’m not the only one that noticed that. Crush the menace!!
im a fan of KR
@@accent1666 same
@@blakeeagle R E C L A I M T H E B I R T H R I G H T ! .
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We lost the New England to revolutionaries, we lost the Old England to Revolutionaries.
Either way, we're getting ourselves back an England.
"The reformers tried to build capitalist democracy, but the only point of reference they had was the Soviet Propaganda", - a half-joke in Post-soviet states about the transition from USSR to independent republics.
On the other side of the fallen Iron Curtain, the US seemed to make every effort to live up to the Soviet charactures of military-industrial complex and imperialistim.
And it's not really surprizing why, many of the most crazy libertarians like Ann Rand actually formed their ideeology via the direct inversion of Soviet propaganda, aka if the Soviets said ruthless capitolism and selfishness was bad, then it must actually be good.
That's actually a factual statement. Listen to Bill Browder about how they did it.
That’s actually another peace of propaganda this time neo Soviet
@@luisandrade2254 Well strictly speaking all advocacy is propaganda
The collapse of the USSR was the greatest humanitarian disaster in the last 50 years and nothing comes close. Life expectancy is only beginning to recover now, and standards of living, literacy, homelessness, employment… all so horrendous problems now that never even existed before. Sad.
Those propaganda posters were designed for every branch of the Soviet economy. For some branches it was hard to make relevant posters.
The most ridiculous poster, which I remember, contained the text for the Soviet fishermen:
"Every single herring, we fish, serves as a strong hit to the American imperialism"
The Soviet Union was one big Socialist Imperial Empire ever existed on earth stretching over 2/3 of the earth land area.
""You must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest wiiiiith... a herring!"
Bruh
2/3rd of earths land area. The soviet union was big and bad. It was that bad but not that big lol
I've heard that under Mao, the Chinese had such strong anti-American propaganda and claims about our actions that even the Soviet leadership found them absurd and ridiculous (including accusations of us trying to spread plague during the Korean War, which the Soviets eventually found no evidence for whatsoever). When the world's leading experts in Communist propaganda think you've gone too far and are nuts, you KNOW you're insane.
I have to imagine that the picture is of a Russian man smacking a Capitolist across the face with a fish.
As someone who was born and raised in USSR and knows and remembers what SU was, I have to say that this channel is one of the best on the topic. Thank you!
Also thanks to the many top confidential Soviet Documents became declassified over the years.
I wish I knew what the reply said, but youtube apparently removed it
Did you really know how it was? You look rather young, so that means that you saw the USSR through the eyes of a kid which is let's be honest, not really a good perspective because children don't think about their surroundings and how the political system works.
Like, I grew up in Africa, now I live in Europe. The country I lived in was extremely poor. Poverty and famine was all around me. Yet, I never realized that when living there. It was only when moving to Europe and growing up to be an adult that I started to realize how bad the situation was in the country I lived in.
But as a kid of even nine years old, I had no clue. For me, it was normal life and not even that. I just played with my friends and ran around and did random stuff.
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So what you are saying is that You can understand the way things are and were in your younger life but Mr. Magradze can't because you believe that he was either too young or non-observant of his life and surroundings. That is an interesting perspective. You realized more about the lifestyle of your younger life after you were exposed to a different and better life. I wonder if Mr. Magradze also observes how bad the conditions were in the Soviet Union because he now lives in a different and better situation than he did then.
It must be quite a burden to know everything about everyone else, that they're too young and ignorant to understand.
Ya'll Take Care and be safe, John
@YouDontKnowMe I appreciate you finding me young. I thought my grey hair was betraying my 47 years. I was 16 when USSR collapsed. By that time, thanks to my parents, I knew what country I was leaving, I grew up listening to BBC, VOA, Radio Liberty, maged to be (briefly) detained by the Soviet Army frollowing 1989 Tbilisi massacer after throwing rock as Soviet tanks, remember food stamps, remember reading books publishe by Samisdat, I even remember Brezhnev's death and how teacher made us all stand up and make sad faces while she was praising his legacy. I remember USSR very well and can see its brutal legacy in my country even today.
the funny thing about cold war propaganda is that on both sides, most of it was honestly true, just exaggerated lol
Having grown up in those times, I wonder whether the propagandists on both sides were aware that, by mixing truths with exaggerations and plain old made-up lies, the net result was that the people who were exposed to both narratives ended up believing what they wanted to believe.
@@joshuacondell1686 You do realize that world-wide revolution is precisely about human agency, don't you?
Lmao haha both sides lololol totally the same, no analysis here just feels.
Not that the USSR was much better in most of these aspects, but I didn't detect a single lie in any of these propaganda pieces.
Yet the exaggerated Soviet propaganda of America is actually the most accurate description of its current state. A failed country
People 40 years from now are going to have some really interesting documentaries to watch. Meme warfare has also changed propaganda in a huge way in our time, too.
People are stupidest they have ever been right now, you really think 40 years for now they are going to be any brighter, hell 40 years from now half the worlds population if not more will be wiped out!... and I am not talking about Climate change being the cause
Yep, we are living through the new Cold War 2.0 currently
I feel bad for them having to see those God awful corporate and government memos trying to connect with the youth but never truly committing
Meme warfare and fake accounts,fake followers,likes, edited videos, deepfake technology, voice modification,VFX, everything adds up to be some HUGE potential for propaganda in this Cold War 2.0
Worth to note that in early 20th century, when the Russian revolution happened and before, the word Propaganda did not yet have the negative connotation that we're used to today. It was used unironically and simply translated to something like "political information".
So when Lenin writes that the masses should be informed through propaganda, or something along those lines, he simply ment that his party should publish and promote their political goals, it's not to 'brainwash' people
Yeah, many things aged like that. Dictatorship of the proletariat for example.
That's what brainwashing actually is - making people believe that good is bad, freedom is slavery, and that propaganda isn't propagation(distribution) of information - it's thought control.
In Spanish, "propaganda" is the word for advertising.
I attended a Soviet school in 1980's. I remember that the biggest villain in the modern world for the Soviets was Ronald Reagan. The Soviet art drew him tremendously armed with lot of nukes. In 1988 (in Perestroika era), I heard first time his original voice in English and was very surprised how mild and soft it was.
Reagan was pretty shitty though.
Despite of mistakes (which have any leader), he did the great job: made all the necessary diplomatic efforts to help to the Baltic states regain their independence. Big thanks for this to him from me. And, believe me, "reaganomics" is much more milder thing than the Soviet economy.
@@zyanego3170 yeah he was bad but at least he wasnt the literal warmonger as he was portrayed in the USSR
@@ivarkich1543 That is like congratulating Hitler because he was such a great supporter of the anti smoking campaign and a vegetarian. Reagen was a criminal and responsible for suffering in the millions in central and south america alone. If there was a US president that deserved the Kennedy treatmeant...it was him.
@@noobster4779 Comparing Reagan with Hitler is the most inapropriate un stupid thing in this context. Every Soviet leader actually is worse than any American president. But Lenin and Stalin even worse than Hitler. Reagan was elected in free and democratic elections, TWICE!
"They also portrayed America as a deteriorating country with a failing economic system"
Pretty ironic considering what happened to the USSR soon after...
Or considering what the USA is today.
@@chiefslinginbeef3641 *LONG LIVE THE IMMORTAL SCIENCE OF MARXISM-BIDENISM!*
@@chiefslinginbeef3641 No we're not, unless you're referring to the re-emergence of corporate monopolies as larger companies gobble up smaller companies. But you're not. You're merely parroting the reich-wing's screeching about "socialism!"
@@zyanego3170 Oh, sweetie. Where's the nurse with your daily medication?
@@BTScriviner eh, could be worse. like we went through recessions in 2008 and recently 2020 and it didnt lead to USA collapsing or losing its superpower status.
If anything, even if the US is deteriorating at least they can say they lasted longer than USSR and didnt collapse
I had a college professor say that The Grapes of Wrath got pulled because the Soviets found out people were learning how easy it was for even the poorest to get cars in the United States. I've always wondered if that was true, or just one of those things that gets repeated because it sounds like it might be true.
I one time heard from someone who lived in the Soviet Union that “the difference between Soviet and American propaganda is that Americans believed theirs.”
@@IronBloodedLion ironic, because the Soviet "propaganda" was completely true in 99% of cases, whereas the American propaganda was complete bullshit, but many Americans believe it to this day
@@diphyllum8180 Actually, it's closer to the opposite. the US propaganda "effort" was miniscule compared to the USSR's. with the US having free speech and freedom of the press, both things the USSR lacked, it was and is alot harder for one group to gain a monopoly on media or pubic opinion artificially, which was the whole point. and with the availability of information being free in the US any claims made by US administrations could be verified, unlike in the USSR. which is why the USSR had huge amounts of propaganda that was largely false and the US had relatively small amounts of propaganda that was that was largely true (or at least a valid interpretation of the facts.
@@HannarrMontannarr I don't understand why people think that propaganda is always bad. Soviet propaganda about capitalism was indeed true, was it exaggerated sometimes? Yes, definitely. That doesn't make it wrong. What you can point out is the soviet hypocrisy about imperialism and how they would crush popular movements in places like Bulgaria and Poland. Soviets had not only managed to pull Russia out of its sordid feudalism they also brought about an era of equality that is unparalleled to this day.
@@ratulxy How incredibly misinformed and/or ignorant you are.
Propaganda in any one party, totalitarian or dictatorial state is always bad. propaganda by definition fundamentally biased, and in such a state propaganda only serves the powers that be.
Soviet propaganda was never wholly true and often completely false. capitalism is just an economic system where individuals can own capital. the USSR also operated on a capitalistic system for it's entire duration, it never wholly abolished private ownership.
The real irony is that the USSR was far more bellicose, belligerent and imperialistic than the US ever was. they had taken territory from Finland, germany, romania, japan and poland. they forcibly subjugated virtually all the non-russian republics, and invaded and intervened in china, mongolia, turkey, vietnam, korea, angola, eritrea, egypt and somalia. they might have actually involved themselves in the most wars in such a short time as any state in history.
Feudalism in russia ended before the Bolsheviks ever gained power, it was on the way out even before the monarchy fell. again, ironically, the soviets actually reintroduced feudalism with the kolkhoz system.
How could be so stupid as to think the USSR had equality? that ranks pretty high among the most stupid things i've seen. treatment of people and application and creation of laws was entirely arbitrary, as we continue to see in other totalitarian states today. corruption was omnipresent and the difference between power and wealth was just as great as it was during the imperial times. do you really think a kolkhoz worker or a political prisoner in a gulag was equal to a politburo member?
This would have been a better episode, if the posters without verbal description had been shown next to a translation, for us non-russian speakers.
The scene with the city life of New York has an interesting easter egg. The movie theater marquee is advertising the comedy, "The Russians are Coming, The Russians are Coming" (1966) about a Russian submarine that accidentally runs aground on an island off of New England, then has to enlist locals to help out before an international incident occurs.
I remember the movie. Carl Reiner & Allen Arkin. I love propaganda posters whether I agree with the message or not. They're pretty ingenious. Thanks for pointing that out. I sure missed it.
Great movie!
23:00 AN excellent example of people more likely to believe the first thing they hear, even after correct information becomes available, or the original work is retracted, is the infamous and later retracted 1998 Andrew Wakefield paper that linked MMR Vaccine to autism. This retracted paper is still an article-of-faith in the anti-vax movement.
Yep.
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“Soviets viewed the American political process as being subordinate to Wall Street” that’s not a view, just a fact.
Although the American elites are no monolith (there has usually been a conflict between High Tech and Low-Tech interests of the time) some business interests have sought to fit the Marxist stereotype of damning the workers to extreme poverty and subjection. Such economic interests that have sought to enthrall workers into serfdom or near-serfdom better serve the Communist movement than any Kremlin propagandist ever could.
A Soviet citizen commented in the post 1991 chaos: "everything they told us about socialism was false. Everything they told us about capitalism was true."
Woe the Russian nation, they have been screwed over for so long, they no longer even know what truth is.
Source?
Pretty sure that's a Russian joke and not a comment
@lati long Considering the fact that putin is actively waging a war in order to gain control over a former soviet republic, the latter isn't that far from the truth. Although i think it would be more accurate to say that he wants to restore the russian empire than the soviet union.
But is it a joke if it's true?
@lati long Mission accomplished, hope the Russians like CCCP v2.0. Some of the area back, all western goodies gone. Lotsa nukes, no friends. Oh and no travelling.
15:05 so people of all stripes who have never read 1984 publicly claiming that it supports their beliefs is an old phenomenon
I could use it against Nazis, Stalinists, and regrettably now Trump. Those who turn words into lies are even worse than those who simply contradict reality only to be caught. Those who decide the meaning of words cripple the ability of people to act rationally. After a full imposition of Orwellian culture over decades a culture needs to replace its language.
Wait is that a Kaiserreich poster in the thumbnail by any chance? Does The Cold War play the best HoI IV mod?
Kaiserreich is the best
A great easter egg
"The best"- kaiserboo moment
@@PHX1989 shut up it's about a hoi4 mod...
If you have no clue, don't comment
@@doctor_alfa "shut up" 🤓
Why is the thumbnail mostly not-Russian? The one on the top left corner is a Japanese anti Roosevelt poster, the one close to it as a hoi4 mod artwork poster, and many others are clearly not soviet
Exactly! And on top of this poster, another poster, not anti-American, but anti-German - did the author check the images for the cover of the video at all?
Half of the words we use use now in politics were redefined by the Soviets.
Name a few.
To start, Democrats have never been liberals, and have always been the racists.
Everyone talks about Red Scare, but no one knows about other side! Great topic!
The difference between capitalist paranoia about communist countries is that it gets your career ruined, and your name blacklisted. While communist paranoia about capitalist country gets you killed.
@@johnkramer295 hard to say which one is better lol
@@accent1666 it’s not a rocket science if you feel the first option as preferable.
@@johnkramer295 The us repeatedly assassinated Black civil rights leaders
like Malcolm X and Fred Hampton
engaged in countless anti-communist genocides all across the planet
read the Jakarta method
it literally bombed black cities like in the Tulsa pogrom 1921, it used mass lynching and terror to keep its racial minorities in line
Miners in west Virginia literally fought a war against the bosses and the government
battle of blair mountain
in 1985 Philadelphia police helicopters dropped bombs on the MOVE compound and burned down half a city block
stop trying to whitewash your nations crimes, the us is far effective at using violence to crush dissent and then memory holing its atrocities
its population is generally completely ignorant of its history of atrocities
I mean this is pretty well known for us in the eastern block.
Im not a leftist, I am pretty much Conservative (not American nor living in America) I am in no way saying the Soviet Union was a good thing but most of their Propaganda was pretty damn correct
I am a leftists, I'm am even a soviet citizen. And you are indeed correct, you can even see into the future if you will read Marx and Lenin, this was all predicted.
I well remember listening to Radio Moscow when I was stationed in (then) West Germany in the 80's. We were tasked with intercepting enciphered Soviet communications and occasionally would roll up RM.Good times, missed all those floods and food shortages lol Great channel!
:p just because you were in the military. You know, they stole the food from school children for the military
Augsburg early 80s, good times😸.
@@stemill1569 I mean the us literally has horrific rates of child malnutrition, crumbling infrastructure, underfunded schools, lack of healthcare where people are forced to ration insulin and driven bankrupt by cancer diagnosis
but keeps putting ungodly amounts of money into its military industrial complesx to slaughter brown children
20 years of Afghanistan, and after we get out the fuckers in Washington still raise the military budget by millions
if anything soviet propganda was too soft on the us
This video is awesome . Truly one of the best yet. I'd love to see a video on the smear campaigns between the Soviets and Nazis in the years leading up to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact too!
Won't be from this channel since it's focused on Cold War. Maybe Time Ghost history will do one though.
@@SorceressWitch yes I just watched one of Time Ghost's videos on the interwar years and Indy didn't really go into detail on the smear campaigns between the U.S.S.R. and Nazi Germany, but basically said the Weimar Republic had made friends with the Soviets in 1922 after the Rapallo Treaty because both countries felt internationally isolated and Germany gladly took the Soviets offer to use their territory to build new weapons so that the western allies would not know. Then he says when Hitler came to power no policies changed towards the Soviets despite Nazism being opposed to Communism and in fact Hitler even reaffirmed the Rapallo Treaty. Then it goes on to talk about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of 1939 and so forth.
One thing to remember until 1945 propaganda and information were synonyms in English. So the use of the term propaganda must be viewed in that light. Not saying that your use is wrong but the USSR would have said it was involved in the information war.
One that both sides used.
Soviets: see something bad in/by the USA
Soviets: let's make a poster about it
America sent troops to try and stop the Revolution. They clearly never forgot that.
@@IronBloodedLion Good
The most interesting pieces of propaganda here, are the ones with a kernel of truth. It makes the lies so hard to fight when you have to admit to some hard truths first.
this is what makes them so effective and you'll still see people in the comments falling into that trap.
@@jeff-nz3ij or maybe the us is just bad, maybe there's no excuse for the numerous mass murders its engaged in across the planet
read the Jakarta method
if anything soviet propagnda vastly underplayed the horror of the us system
stop trying to whitewash the atrocities of the us
@@chriss780 i get it, usa bad usa bad usa bad. feel better now?
yes, thank you.
@@chriss780 ngl ole adi had a lot of material to work with when looking at the US. We still don’t even know the depths of this societies actions
I'm from Czechia and remember my mother and grandmother telling me about a "documentary" about the US. It was meant to showcase how bad the average person had it in the US, they couldn't get over the fact that they still had many more electric appliances than them. They of course ignored the homeless shown in the documentary and that we practically eradicated social issues like that... but it still shows how out of touch the propagandists were.
I mean, part of elimination of homelessnes in Czechoslovakia included imprisoning them for being homeless.
Homelessness in America is incredibly rare and communism didn’t eliminate social issues
@@luisandrade2254 lol, have you been to america?
@@mikeyorkav4039 lol I lived in America for years I bet all you know about America comes from communist propaganda
@@luisandrade2254 ive lived here for 30 years in multiple states
They had a lot right. Buuuut, should have spent more time keeping their own country together rather than criticizing another.
These were warnings to the people but didnt listen. They saw flashy hollywood propaganda and got hooked...then they got to experience real capitalism in the early 90s...and to today
@@tavernburner3066 lol...how does that even relate to what i said?
Also...us economics is just bible study for capitalists. They dont knlw how it works yet dont question it
A lot of Stalin's 17 talking points really don't sound that different from the stuff you hear on reddit every day.
Because Stalin was fundamental right on that lol.
@@Cyborg_Lenin you lost bud get over it. capitalism will stay winning no cope will change that
@@domerame5913 If this is what you call winning, i want to lose.
@@Cyborg_Lenin Sure, go to Russia or China then, have fun.
@@domerame5913 I was born in USSR and lived in russia for quite a while.
Any more advice?
Haha loved the conclusion 🔔 and thoroughly enjoyed the more serious stuff. Thank you for your great work and JFK’s words at the end 🙏🏻
As always a very informative video, my thanks to the team.
Maybe you could consider a video on how each side dealt with the death of some of the prominent statesman on each side eg FDR, Ike, JFK, de Gaulle and Churchill in the west and Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Mao in the east.
I'm proud to be an American but as an African American male living in the US a lot of Stalin's points have some truth to them, even to this day.
the best propaganda is often an half-truth
@@Game_Hero in this case, 3/4 truth
Not really. You're just falling for commy propaganda in your own nation.
@@vaughanlloydjones3884 Was it not true that black people were terrorized and segregated in the South and looked down upon in the North?
What does that have to do with now? And besides, who was responsible at the time.
I sort of agree with Trofimenko on the military industrial complex in America promoting conflict.
Why is there a kaiserreich poster in the thumbnail-
I clicked because of it
What a timely episode.
While the USSR exploited the Black Struggle but so as the USA.
Very real grassroot movements are dismissed as pro-Soviet, at best, or anti-American, at worst. Even when they know, for sure, that's not the case.
American Communists used to openly support labor and civil rights movements, so it gave people an excuse to discredit them.
yeah but there is a kernel of truth that can't be ignore either, a lot of these movements where directly funded by the USSR..... Just saying i'm not for or against the whole thing just pointing it out
@@IronBloodedLion almost as if the communists were the good guys...
Well a lot of them were socialist. MLK was whitewashed of it, Malcom X and Huey Newton and many more died for it.
But that says a lot about freedom of speech that America pushes. You are free to speak, only if you aren't heard.
@@obi0914Really? How much money did USSR give to them, compared to the amount of support US funneled into anti-communist movements around the globe?
My parents lived in Soviet period. All they said about USSR ( Soviet Republic of Azerbaijan)are mostly positive. As a history enthusiast I would definitely say that communism really broke the chains of religion in Azərbaijan though the country was commonly religious prior to Soviet Union, they created education system by force which I found excellent job. Now capital city is plagued by narcotics, ill education and corruption and brutal inequality, brainwashing, fake patriotism, religious cults, unemployment. Of course life standards were extremely low compared to developed western countries particularly USA but ideology itself was really humanistic.
@@tavernburner3066 It sounds the same as most other socialist apologists, "Everything was great, except in the cases in which it sucked - which was everything."
@@tavernburner3066 Socialist states had higher standards of living and economic growth than capitalist ones with the same level of economic development. The USSR started as a backwards feudal society, massively improved every aspect of life for its citizens, had a steady economic growth that was the fastest in the 20th century and didn't have any recessions. The fact that it had a lower standard of living and GDP than countries that directly benefited and are continuing to benefit from centuries of colonization and exploitation of the rest of the world isn't a "dark truth", but an inevitable reality.
@@aliensoup2420 the problem is interpeting those willing to discuss complex and nuanced issues as being dogmatic adherents to a failed ideology. By adhering to this interpretation, your adherence to "only the people who disagree with us are propagandized" is guaranteed, and all attempts at discussion will seem foolish, cause didnt we settle this already? But how can you be so sure we settled this already, did you, after analyzing with an open mind the history in its entirety, come to a conclusion which you debated with others? Or have you simply bought the ideas that you've been fed about the evils of "Communist propaganda" and how free and democratic our western nations are.
Everything was great, except in the cases where it sucked can be applied to any ideology. Any ideology, period. Domt you umderstand, even subconciously, that capitalism is greatl, except for all the countries and situations in which it isnt? No dogma holds a monopoly on truth, so apply and critique all avalible tools for analyzing the situation. If you arrogantly believe in the dogma of "we know better now" you do not see human society in an impartial manner. Socialists are extremely willing to discuss the historical flaws in specific implementations, but it pains them that first they must make people realize well actually most of what youve been fed about x&y enemy society is overexaggerated. This goes no matter the type of society you live in, they all use propaganda. To deny it is to be controlled
@@philipdamian7346 very, very well put. I applaud you.
Humanistic gulags . I've never heard of that !
It funny that both the west and USSR use Orwell 1984 in the propaganda.
Damn,Stalin's list was based lol...it is more then ever correct when you look at modern America,ouch.
Ironically since the fall of Soviet communism, American capitalists have become more depraved in their objectives, more effective in finding and entrenching political puppets, more willing to support mindless conduct, and more supportive of every form of political and cultural corruption. The GOP has descended from Eisenhower to Trump, going from a conservative party with no death wish to one in which Mordred types have taken over.
Wait... but everything on that list was/still is true. 4:56
I don|t think it can be underestimated what a fantastic painstakingly well done presentation this video is.
Yooo is that a kaiserreich poster?
Nice video. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
Deserves a sub-series
Fun Fact: One of the propaganda posters in the thumbnail is based on or is from the Kaiserreich series/universe.
Anyone else notice the Kaiserreich poster in the thumbnail?
I knew im not the only one who realized it!
The Syndies must be crushed across all the time lines! Reclaim the Birthright! Guard the Balance!
"Soviet propaganda lied to us. Capitalism turned out to be much worse."
capitalism is the greatest thing ever. the one universal good in the world
@SjcE capitalism means i own my own stuff and decide what to do with it. it takes the negative but ultimate truth of greed is turned from a negative to a positive by rewarding us for using our posessiosn to help others
@SjcE no, only a communist thinks there is a difference between private property and personal property.
if i start a business and have employees. that business is my personal property. i own it, i made it. it's mine.
@SjcE employees are not any kind of property. they agree to work for you and are in a contract with you. but the company is still owned by one person
let me destroy your silly fake religion pretending to be an economic theory with one thought......if you have an imagination you can turn any property into "the means of production" and thus all property.....is the same.
@SjcE it makes perfect sense. but religious fanatics like you can't see it
EVERYTHING IS A MEANS TO PRODUCE
Always wanted to learn about this thanks.
crazy how most of the critiques the ussr made about the us were and still are pretty true today
It's a miracle that the Cold War never turned hot and nuclear war was avoided. Considering the leaders of both sides weren't afraid to play dangerous games of brinkmanship, it's amazing they knew when to step back from the abyss
Are we going to get a American version, too?
that would be a good idea
I hope we do!
@@ArkadiBolschek are you a bolshevik?
we don't need one , it's called "history"
@@007kingifrit what you mean?
Amazing how America cooperated with the Soviet Union by making every single point of their propaganda true. I say this as an American.
When watching this video and listening to the various criticisms and denunciations made by the USSR to the American State and society (obviously exaggerated, but not totally devoid of truth), I remembered a movie I watched recently - Trumbo (2015), which portrays the case of James Dalton Trumbo (1905 -1976) and other screenwriters and actors from classic Hollywood who are persecuted and falsely accused of treason and conspiracy by the State and the general community, based on their union activities and the struggle for workers' rights. After watching the movie and researching other cases on the so-called "Hollywood Black List" I couldn't help but feel disgusted and saddened by the injustice suffered by these people. I would really like to see a video about it. Thanks and keep up the good work!
Your comment reminded me about Paul Robeson (the man that sang the Soviet anthem in English).
Check out his story.
I agree.
That’s the way the world works. No need to invest so much emotion and things outside of your control.
@@chiefslinginbeef3641 who gives a shit?
They were right
all the fascists in eastern Europe received funding from the us
@@chriss780 evidence?
I see that kaiserreich poster in the thumbnail
"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves." Henry Kissinger
what the fuck, he was a criminal. the army bombed a democratically elected official
@@dant.3505 great murderer
Isn't Kissinger blamed for multiple genocides?
@@Emi-jh7gf Just Bengalis, but they don't count...
@SjcE yeah but so what? Some people die but at least they are free
Praise the Bell Button. Great Episode
All Hail.
I find it ironic that many of the Soviet criticisms of the post-war United States are spot-on today. That leads me to believe they were true then, especially from the point of view of foreigners. As always you have the truth, but then it becomes a matter of degree and exaggeration.
If you read Marx and Lenin you will find that they predicted this exact situation almost perfectly.
No, it's that you still believe Soviet propaganda 31 years after communism lost.
How intriguing. Also, I don't know if you caught up with what I said, but I just want to suggest some topics for your channel just to help make it grow and far reaching as possible regarding over aspect of it. Now, keep in mind that some topics are related to the Great War channel because I want to see topics just like the Great War channel did which you’ll see what I mean if you take a look there (th-cam.com/users/TheGreatWarSeries):
1: technology and warfare collaborations ex: American assault weapons of Cold War ft. C&Rsenal or Forgotten Weapons
2: who did what in the Cold War like who did what in WW1
3: Cold War uniforms ex: Soviet uniforms, American Uniforms (in whatever time frame they’re in and how they changed over time)
4: maybe Cold War on the road (I don’t know if that’s the case but worth a shot)
5: More out of the bunker videos like out of the trenches from the Great War channel
6: maybe analysis videos of certain movies, some are fictional while others are real like bridge of spies or Indiana jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull (seems unlikely on my end, but worth to take a look at and interesting to know)
7: tank development and submarine development whether its Soviet, American or whoever
That’s what I think, thank you for reading.
The thumbnail includes a poster from KaiserReich.
when i was young, my mother, a librarian, subscribed to ussr magazine. it was a large full color monthly that was full of propaganda, but i looked forward to each
new issue. it was interesting to see how "those commies" lived and their culture. if it not been for the captions, it could have shown people most anywhere. i saw
that the russians were not that different from us. we could have been friends instead of enemies and saved millions of lives and trillions of dollars.if the governments
had just gotten out of the way, the world would have been a lot better place to live. peace on earth, good will towards men.
Well, the americans would rather nuke us than threaten profit, so you know who to blame.
Right. We've already believed those same lies in the 80s and dismantled the Soviet Union, because the West said they wanted peace, love, and friendship. Then you started bombing, overthrowing, and invading everywhere non-stop. I don't know if you're living under a rock, or imagine we're this gullible.
Notice none of the Soviet propaganda points were false.
yes
Some of them were
Nothing they weren't more guilty of.
“American democracy is a hypocritical coverup for the unfettered power of capital” is obviously false.
Why do you have a Kaiser cat cinema poster in your thumbnail?
that list of themes was completely correct about the US lol
Soviet propaganda? Why do I need a video on this? I can open Twitter and find it all unfolding right before my eyes lol.
The Soviets never miss always accurate and correct
Love the Kaiserriech poster in the thumbnail.
i do like one of the posters on the thumbnail of this video is fanart from the hearts of iron 4 mod know as kaiserreich, not sure how that slipped passed them but okay.
Gonna shoot me a syndie tonight
"... decaf coffee and the trash." LOL
That 1949 list of criticism of the USA is somehow surprisingly up to date.
Yeah, I have to say. Especially, for me as a med student who wants to have free healthcare for everybody. In other words, a single payer healthcare system. How foreshadowing....
@@josephsarra4320 yeah but i would rather have poor people die than wait in line for a little longer
At about 22:31 you can see a billboard for the 1964 comedy “The Russians Are Coming, the Russians Are Coming” which poked gentle fun at Cold War fears and hysteria and showed the Russians as just people like the rest of us.
Both the Vietnam war and the assassinations and upheavals of the 1960’s did much harm to America’s image, which the Soviets lost no time in exploiting.
A little more about movies: Early in the 2002 film “K-19: The Widowmaker” you can see an example of the anti-American propaganda directed at the Soviet public and Russian soldiers. And it is a fine film, directed by Kathryn Bigelow.
The best allies of the Soviet propagandists were Americans themselves. The Soviets didn't have to come up with anything, just to look at America.
Youve put it better than i ever could. Eloquent job comrade!
Cheeky I saw that Kisereich poster in the thumbnail
As many people in this comments section have already stated, most of this Soviet propaganda was completely correct about American imperialism, militarism, subjugations of other countries sovereignty, staging coups, economic warfare, and exploitation of the third world an global south etc.
This isn't controversial or shouldn't be to any thinking individual.
Superbly insightful presentation though
Soviet propaganda spitting facts regarding usa lol
I'm reading what Stalin was saying about us and thinking, "He ain't wrong." and I'm decades in the future.
What he was saying?
I saw the Kaiserreich poster in the thumbnail. Nice easter egg!
Man. Remember when our countries had sovl? Our propaganda is lame now. Its just Call of Duty or blatant bs. Theres no artistry or real work put into it. Where's our Loose Lips? Where's our Wendy?
Thanks for sharing I hear it from Segei from uShunka show.
Soviet propganda - bad
American propoganda - good
What makes propoganda good?
Bc ours is freedom
@@alexanderl.6207 which one is ours? Because none of them have freedom 🤣
It’s interesting how little the anti-capitalist messaging hasn’t really changed much in the last 70 years. A lot of these phrases I’ve continued to hear to this day
Yeah. You could pretty much go right down this list and cite examples from $CurrentYear. Which leads to the obvious question: how true are these criticisms? Straight up false? True, but only compared to an ideal place that has never existed? True, compared to real actual places? Or just objectively true?
Probably cuz capitalism hasnt changed much.
@@arvideriksson7313 Exactly. Capitalism stays winning and tankies stay losing holding on to 100 year old arguments that were never good
They work, like the Force, on the weak minded (AKA Woke kids & Karins).
It's funny how Russia became the country they were showing on those posters.
Really good 1 1of my favorite episodes
It sounds like most of these are still being used in China in some form.
(It would be interesting for you to cover the polio vaccine, which was created by American scientists but were tested in USSR in large scale)
别造谣了，中国人跪舔西方还不够多么？
Theyre still accurate
5:04 this list kinda hitting different in 2023
As a cold war kid I'm not sure CCCP propoganda had much reach in the UK. Your video suggest it was mostly for home consumption. Personally I'm a fan of truth based propoganda, someone else shining an embarrassing light upon your homeland can only do good.
Soviet propaganda was much more effective in continental Europe.
from what i can tell, Soviet propaganda against UK happens most during the interwar years, British Empire was then the most envious enemy of the comintern
the 17 points on the russian propaganda list against america, well its more like fact then propaganda by todays standards.
Ussr had posters. The US had the power of Hollywood. Ussr lost the competition before eit even started
4:56 This is not propaganda, it's an accurate depiction of the US.
Did you know if you say Orange Man Bad quickly it sounds like Gullible?
@@Marinealver Damn it
USSR and USA = in the end, same thing (paranoics that can't allow any other country growing up by itself)
"paranoics"
i wish you guys used the poster with the lady liberty and 5 klansman on top of it
The fixation about monopolies is interesting coming from a communist state which is monopolistic in the most extreme sense possible.
Might be a particular sticking point of the marxist analysis.
If monopolies are dominant, then capitalism is spinning out of control, and thus the revolution is at hand. There's some wishful thinking going on here.
Projection is a classic dictator move
"Look at them, the capitalists privatizing all industry and lording over it! Now go work your collective farm for the glory of the state and revolution"
No not really, well the state is a monopoly by definition, but the point of socialism is creating a state ruled by the workers. In that sense its the people who had the power and the state was accountable to them.
It didn't quite work out like that.
But hey, soviet state was a lot more accountable then amecian billionaires.
When stationed in the UK I recall tuning in to various radio stations. One of them was a pro-Soviet channel "Radio Moscow". I tuned in from time to time. Back then the Soviets had just invaded Afghanistan. Most of their presentations had a Mullah or some Afghan of importance talking about how nice the Russians were. Mostly presented from their point of view, less a message of anger. Odd, because the Cold War was heating up with monthly full NBC gear alerts.
5:05
1) This is untrue. Believe it or not, it's mostly patriotism/nationalism. For a long time, even during the Cold War and today, many Americans believes themselves as the World Policeman and that American interests were the World's interests. Even capitalist monopolies are expected to bend the will to sanctions and this is evident by all the Western companies leaving Russia out of the fear of public perception as well as Western government's legislative power
2) This is hard to say. The US and the CIA have definitely been responsible for a lot of insurgencies in the world, but not all. And the degree that the US influences these compared to how much they spring up on their own is debatable.
3) This is false. The US currently leads international cooperation and has led it since the end of WWII.
4) This is true.
5) This is mostly false and the US was a huge factor in the breaking up of the British and French empires. Although, while the US remained allies of old colonial powers, it was easy for the USSR to spin the narrative to make it seem the US was pro-colonialism. The Philippines, a colony of the USA, was even given independence in 1948, which has actually been promised to the Philippines before WWII, but it was delayed by the Japanese invasion.
6) This is somewhat true. American businesses do influence US politics through things like lobbying. Although American politician also influence businesses and monopolies. Even forcing them to break up into smaller trusts.
7) This is true, but it's much more of a recent development. Blue-collar jobs used to be a lot better. They provided good healthcare, good pay and stable careers that ballooned the American middle class after WWII. Unions were strong and effective. Now in some ways, Unions are corrupt middlemen, but at the same time, working without a Union is really shitty.
8) This is true. Anti-Communist hysteria/anti-Socialism was way overblown and we're still feeling the affects today. However, I don't approve of the West Coast Communist/Anarchist ideologes either that have seemingly really spread recently.
9) Kinda talked about already
10) This is true as much as I hate to admit it. I'm not sure about the national discrimination. The US is country made up of many different nationalities and currently only bout 60% of the population is white. While there are time in American history of discrimination against the Irish, Italians, Germans, the Chinese and Mexicans, it hardly seems unique to the USA. The target seems to move with whatever national crisis is occuring and it happens regularly in other countries. American racial discrimination is a result of slavery and the American Civil War. It's a stain on our society that it very difficult to remove. People don't understand how their ancestors could've fought for slavery and they look for another excuse while still harboring deep racial biases.
11) This is true, although, I imagine it's not actually how the Soviets portrayed it.
12) The US has high standards of living, depending on where you live. So this is true.
13) This is false. American culture is not collapsing. It has spread across the world in many ways and remains strong here in the USA. From our own music to slang and dialects, to sports, food and fashion, American culture is intact and constantly evolving.
14) This is false. American healthcare is really amazing, if you can access it without going broke.
15) This is true, but only so far as the last 20-30 years. Bush's "No child left behind" act really hurt US public education despite it's seemingly good intentions.
The entire world sees America as world police, have you seen how many people all of the world who think we should deploy troops to Ukraine to fight the Russians? Some of these are the same people who have criticized American military actions in the middle East.
I agree about many points but I will talk about healthcare specifically. I use to think too that American healthcare is bad until I realised it was about how much people can't afford it so it was bad in that sense
@@willr7849 people have weird opinion about us interference let me clarify they want us to interfere when it is for good cause and be isolationist when not needed. That's why usa get praised when talked about ww1 and ww2. But get criticized during middle east
what'd you expect? this is conservative anti-communist propaganda channel as usual, nothing weird
@@ShubhamMishrabro what we mean by bad healthcare we mean unaffordable healthcare
IIRC the Soviet term was 'Active Measures'.
Our country made a lot of propaganda against them too. I’ve seen some that literally describe capitalism as communism. It was so obvious it made me laugh. But I’m sure people who weren’t thinking or understanding the difference understood.
I hear that shit every day in the states.
At least soviet propaganda was accurate. Americans still cant describe communism to this day...hell, many self -described socialists cant accurately describe their position.
Most brainwashed nation on earth and ill die by that statement.
Blows my mind
@@tavernburner3066 The United States. Or now the divided states
"..... Like Decaf coffee and the trash"
PAUSE! 10/10, NO NOTES!!!!!!
So that's where redditors get their information from
Funny how I find myself fully agreeing to half their propaganda points, and fully disagreeing with the other half...