Are ALL Lenses The Same At F8?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- It's often been said that all lenses are the same when set to f8. If that's true, you could be wasting money on fancy lenses you don't need.
In this video, I put the claim to the test using four lenses, the Carl Zeiss Jena Pancolar 50mm f1.8, the Jupiter 8 50mm f2, the humble Industar 61 50mm f2.8 and the Helios 44 58mm f2.
Are all lenses really the same at f8? Check out the video to find out.
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I think it was a pity that you chose Russian Lenses for the test that were actually always considered rather good for their price point as they were sold at a loss to gain hard currency. What would have been more interesting if you had tried the same with some cheap 1970's lenses, say from Sigma, Paragon and Prinz. I think the difference would probably have been more significant. Another issue was your choice of 50mm lenses. Most manufacturers in the 1970's did manage to pull off an acceptable 50mm lens. Wide angle lenses were another matter and I think the test would have been more revealing with a focal length of 24mm. I assumed that you used your digital camera for all these shots. I would like to know whether the gap between lenses film performance and digital performance may vary from one lens to another. I am suggesting this in the hope someone who knows much more about lens design than me will make a useful comment as I would like to know it that could be an issue in the digital world. Digital sensors have a very narrow angle of acceptance, whereas film is very much more open in that regard.
Pretty good argument you're making. I was thinking about the same while watching the video. I remember testing a Nikon Nikkor 24mm f/2.8 against a RMC Tokina 24mm f/2.8 on a Nikon D850, and the differences are noceable, especially where color rendition is concerned, with the Tokina shots looking considerably cooler than reality, although with slighly more contrast.
Significantly less differences between Nikon Nikkor 50mm f/1.4 AI, 50mm f/2 AI and 50mm f/1.8 AI-S, although nicer rendition from the f/2 overall. Things start changing after the AF-S versions were introduced, with the G being clinically sharp, except at f/1.4, where it has a lot of diffractiom, which gives it a bit of character.
On film, the small advantages of each lens are amplified, making the shots look even more appealing, but that also goes for the disadvantages. What's sharp stands out, while the softer areas are getting muddier. Film choice does matter and influences results quite a bit, especially with black and white.
I didn't mean to go anywhere with this comment, thought I'd share from my experience
To me the saying never meant that all lenses produce exactly the same images at F/8 (how could they, with different optical designs and coatings and all that?) but rather that the difference between a very high quality and a middle of the range lens has shrunk away, and that they're pretty much all usable equally around F/8-F/11.
How would one compare lenses in a blind test? Just asking 😇
Back in the day, I knew Photographers who spent (or made their Boss spend!) many thousands of dollars (back when the dollar bought 20 times as much as it does today!) on collections of one, two or even three DOZEN lenses!
And then there guys (and Gals) like me who might have worked 30 years with never more then 3-5 lenses!
Both took great pictures. And both likely earned nearly the same income too.
If YOU the Photographer actually know what your doing, you can work within the limits of the equipment you have! And get award winning pictures from a "Kodak Box Brownie" camera 📷 👌
(Oh YES! Color and contrast do "shift". On most (but not all lenses) lenses I have experience with. GREAT DEMONSTRATION of this fact!)
I liked the Helios best (especially on fence shots). Can't quite put my finger on it - just looks nicer.
Thank you. I enjoyed that. All through that test, I kept coming back to the Industar - I just liked it that little bit more. I just did not care for the Jupiter. I already own a Pancolar and a Helios (I use and like both - and I can see the same thing in yours that I do in mine - with the Pancolor being just a bit punchier wide open), and for the price of an Industar 61, I will likely add one.
To be honest I usually find that my better photographs are interesting enough in themselves that the character of the lens becomes very much secondary. I really have no excuse for buying more lenses - especially in the 50mm range ... oh heck, I will anyway.
It depends what people are expecting from vintage lenses on digital cameras, if it's sharpness and flare resistance - go with the modern kit zooms and forget about vintage rabbithole. For me, the imperfections of vintage lenses is their greatest strength - this Helios 44 (not the other versons), just great, others - Jupiter 8, Industar 61, Pancolar, .. in terms of characters are not even close. Same goes to Trioplan 100mm f2.8, Fujinon 55mm f2.2, Telefogar 90mm f3.5, ...
Great video, the information made me think.
I would like to see you compare a zoom lens with a prime lens wide open then f/8.
Does landscape photography benefit from a prime lens over a zoom lens?
Thanks again for your hard work.
The color shift is interesting and surprising, although makes sense given the reduction in light.
From what I saw here, it seems that Industar has a very nice and warm looking contrast when shot wide open. From my point of view that contrast was more interesting, had a bit more punch in terms of warmer color tones than the other lenses. Very interesting. Thank you for doing this test! 🙏👍
Nice comparative study.
Before we watch, I predict.. It can't be true...
very interesting video indeed
Thank you
All good lenses!
Since price was discussed as a consideration, may have been interesteting to include results from a modern Lens ?
Modern lenses should easily out perform those old lumps of glass. The techniques used in manufacturing the lens elements have improved as have the ability to formulate the lens with computers.
That's it... I'm going to super glue all my apertures at f8!
I will super glue my lenses at f2. That rich warm deep color is what I’m after.
The green plastic garbage bags at the first tests. f/2 is that rich deep green I love.
Jupiter 8 f2 Trash bag and the green leaves. 💁🏻♀️ 5:25
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What about the Leica lenses?
Having looked at many Amateur Photographer ship photographs in the 1970's and 1980's, it seem to me that Leica lenses were not actually top draw. I think overall Nikon probably were in general the best overall range but of course they made some lenses that were out preformed by others. However, even Leica lenses were satisfactory. In truth if you bought a lens from a camera manufacturer, it was likely to be at least adequate for all normal purposes.
Yes and no 😊
I suppose you could get a freiend to go out and take the same pic with a variety of lenses then show you the results to see what you think is best without knowing which lens was used?
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