Quoting a financier? Plenty of decisions taken to enrich the greedy come come with deadly consequences for the poor. Don't suppose for a minute that your vicarious pleasures stretch to concern for them ... more likely some elliptical rationale for discounting the crimes of.the 1%.
Seemingly profound quotes deserve scrutiny, lest we follow bumper sticker wisdom. Plenty of victims throughout history have shown mercy to their assailants, and even civilized societies eschew vigilante justice. How would you like Mothers Against Drunk Drivers do your DUI sentencing? MADD by definition might be non objective, biased and have an agenda. This was an extraordinary event in human history, and no one would quibble with vigilante justice in this case. But it remains true that it’s vigilante justice, devoid of due process. True justice is dispassionate, and outside these one off situations, there is a case for mercy. Another bumper sticker quote: “Don’t let someone change you into someone you don’t want to be.” “An eye for an eye” satisfies bloodlust, but there’s all kinds of situations where mercy is in order.
My father visited the camp the day after it was liberated. He was a Spitfire pilot shot down 6 weeks before by anti aircraft fire and was a POW released by a forward American column. He stayed with them till the war ended. One memory I can never remove is his description of the inmates. He said they looked as if they had moving clothing from the vermin that lived on their skin. He spoke of the American soldiers executing SS guards out of hand. He had no sympathy. He never really got over his antipathy towards Germans. He was disgusted by the German civilians who were marched through the camp denying they had any knowledge.
It is astounding that EVERY son or relative of a US Soldier that was there all say exactly the same thing. And your Spitfire Pilot Father says EXACTLY the same thing as well. None of the accounts differ, this was so horrific that all the people that saw it remember it PRECISELY and their accounts never changed. The men told their sons so it would never be forgotten. I think the sons today have a fuller understanding than others; by far!
My father was in the 89th division. He told me stories of Ohrdruf many years ago. He said Eisenhower had all the people from a nearby village come and tour the camp because they had said they didn’t know anything about it. The smell was so strong they had to have known. Also, General Patton got sick and threw up when he saw it.
My Dad was in the 4th Armored the whole war. He was at Ohrdruf and saw the prisoners and the bodies. Dad said you could smell the bodies for miles on the approach to the Camp. He knew they all knew it was gonna be bad by the stink but said they couldn't imagine the actual scene. He saw Inmates of Ohrdruf beat to death and literally tear the SS Guards limb form limb. He said they all figured the Krauts had it coming and let the Inmates take their revenge. A young Officer allowed his machine gunners to kill some SS, and some chickenshit rear echelon Major brought charges. General Patton personally quashed the charges. Good for Patton. Dad said Ike forced the towns people to walk through the Camp and any claims they didn't know what was happening there is a crock of-shit because the smell was so bad. Only decomposing bodies smell that way Dad said. The local Mayor and his wife went home and committed suicide that night.
My Dad told me exactly the same story many times. He said he did not want that to ever be forgotten. I have told my adult son. HE will not forget it either.
The unfortunate thing that was pretty common in the final days of the 3rd Reich, was the SS left the camps and the overseeing of the camp was often given over to remnants of Wehrmacht and Volkssturm troops. The bastards who were really responsible for such terrible cruelty often got away, and faded into the chaos present then in Germany and Europa.
@@saturn722 and you think people have evolved into saint like beings you should take stock no nation is with out psychopaths or sociopath in fact some religions and political ideologues or all political ideologies can become perverted by circumstance create them while the elites are usually the first to go cannibal
Did you know the British were firebombing German cities from 1939, then Napalming them with the Americans from 1942? What did the Germans do to either of them to deserve that apart from sue for peace from the start????
@@redherring6154 "History is written by the victors"... What a load of nonsense. We know both sides of the story, as the Nazi's liked to keep meticulous records.
Did you know the Allies had a policy of torturing German P.O.W.’s INTO confessions of genocide?? & if you remember they’ve practiced that war crime ever since, Vietnam, Ireland, Middle East…. Since when has that ever
What, quite frankly, did they expect? An uncle of mine was present at the liberation of Belsen and could never look at a German, or even, post war, a German car, without fighting the urge to vomit.
The SS perpetrators were a SUB CLASS of German (and others) society. A sub class who had been rejected by the military even in time of desperate shortage. (service in the SS was also a punishment for troublemakers during the war). They operated the concentration camps mainly to avoud service on the front line, as well as to steal from the prisoners. There were many decent fighting men on all sides.
My father was there. He was a Sgt. in a US Army Combat Engineer Battalion. I still have his unit history book which shows photos of executed prisoners that were executed then burned by the Germans.
The liberation of Ohrdruf on April 4, 1945, was a pivotal moment for the American forces, as it marked the first time U.S. troops encountered a Nazi concentration camp in all its horror. The scenes they found were devastating, with mass graves and evidence of severe mistreatment of prisoners. The soldiers were deeply affected by the atrocities they witnessed, and this shock often led to intense anger directed at the SS guards who had overseen the camp's brutal operations.
Yes, the British had been firebombing German cities since 1939 & the Yanks since 1943. When Napalm was invented in 1942 that was unleashed in Biblical proportions on EVERY German city, so what do you expect the Yanks would find?
@@williamweb9782 Nope, I know that the number of deaths during the 5-year Blitz of Britain was eclipsed by a single 5-day (Napalm) raid (Operation Gomorrah) of Hamburg by the British. I'm not stupid.
When we studied Problems Of Democracy in high school in the sixties, we were shown the captured film footage of these atrocities, no censorship. We were of sterner stock in those days, no pampering.
Thanks for another very interesting and informative video. Your work really brings history alive and more importantly reminds us not to repeat the mistakes of the past. It would be helpful, if possible that you insert some maps to show us where you are talking about when referring to places. Thanks again from north east Scotland.
Contrast the difference in treatment between those liberated by the western allies and those by the soviets. In the case of the latter, these poor souls were just replacing one slave master with another, as the typical commissar had about as much compassion for Slavs and Jews as the SS. We will never know how many were sent from death camps controlled by the SS, to the gulags in Siberia. Political ideologies aside, the categories of who was deemed "undesirable" between Stalin and Hitler were remarkably similar.
Most of you commentors have no clue. You wore not there you did not live it you cannot say what you would have done. You can only express what you hope you would have had the strength and ability to cope with what you saw and did. Sitting in your comfy chair warm and fat never having seen, herd or gone through a war. Ignorance is abundant.
My father told lying on bed to a chaplain what they did to prisoners. I accidentally heard what he told. I couldn't walk away. Everything in my stomach protested heavy! What i heard was horrible. I was a kid 17 years. At the end, he said the most worse i can't even tell you. I couldn't imagine what could be even worse. Later on i found out. They forced a prisoner to bend over a table. And then they hit the poor human being at the lower back and legs until everything was broken. And let them there while it was freezing cold. The other prisoners were forced to look.
According to my Uncle, after the Malemedy massacre of US soldiers by the SS during the battle of the bulge, no SS prisoners were taken. They were shot on sight. In the Pacific, no quarter was given the Japanese soldiers. This after they started exploding grenades when US medics tried to treat them.
Too many here are holier than thou fools. My Dad in the 4th Armored told me exactly the same thing as your Uncle. It was the ONLY thing that stopped the SS murders...
@@goldenhawk352 Yes american GIs were worse than the SS. A lot of people don't know, but the US set up death camps which were guarded by MPs who tortured women and children before cremating them in the ovens. Untold story.
Yes, very strange. What were these people thinking? And, also there are some that thought that they could hide amongst the prisoners. As if the prisoners wouldn't know who they were lol. Ridiculous.
Please give us the sources that you quote in this film. In my research on the 4thAD I have never found any evidence of reprisals and am curious about sources that I may have missed
Your research is quite shallow and incomplete. I have seen many sources on this. There are even written accounts of General Patton personally quashing prosecutions of his Soldiers by do-gooder rear echelons. Plus, my 4th Armored Division veteren Father saw it personally and related it to me. See above comments. This reminds me of Gell-Mann Amnesia in a way.
@@MARYREED-nh7gb Only the Waffen SS had the blood group, and it was administered in their basic training. The blood group tattoo was administered up until the final weeks of the war. We had several family friends who had served in the Waffen SS, and they told me that the theory was if you were wounded and immediately needed a blood transfusion, the medics didn't need to search your ID disk for the blood type (which was sometimes missing our defaced during the incident). If your left arm was blown away above the location of tattoo, you wouldn't live long anyway, as that large artery leading directly from the heart would cause you to bleed out before you could get medical attention.
If you thought that was bad, you should read up on Andersonville, the Confederate POW camp in Georgia. The Union prisoners, like the German camp prisoners were starved and covered with lice. Guessing the locals in Georgia also claimed not to know that Union prisoners were starving, without much food or medicine and being mistreated. Of course, the starvation and lack of medicine at Andersonville had nothing to do with the Union blockade that cut off food, medicine and clothing to the Confederate states, just as the Allied blockade of imports and bombing of German rail yards and trains that supplied food had nothing to do with the lack of food in the German camps. The Union authorities then had the Andersonville camp commandant executed for being in charge of a POW camp that had a lower death rate than the Union POW camps in the North where there was an abundance of food and medicine and clothing but the Southern prisoners still starved and died from lack of medicine. Victor's justice. LOL
SS guards were criminals who did what they did in order to avoid sevice on the front line, and, to steal from the prisoners. That did not happen in the US Civil War.
@@fredforsythe8310 The Rine Meadow camp was investigated by the Germans themselves (That report is available online.). About 6,000 German POWs died there because they RAN to the Americans and NOT to the Russians nor the Free French (I wonder why??). The Americans were overwhelmed. The camp was cleared by October 1945 (in existence for less than 5 months). Unlike the Germans, we had at that time as well as today have FULL disclosure and documentation by Swiss IRC and the enemy, Germany. Would LOVE full disclosure by the Germans as to number of American POW murdered by them. So far, no such disclosure.
Unfortunately people let their emotions take over when making these choices. The Nazis worked with Democrats. Yet today all the slums in the U.S. are ran by Dems and they still vote for them!
This story can be repeated many times over. The SS guards had 2 objectives 1 steal as much as possible off the prisoners 2. avoid service in the fight ing areas. Himmler's SS were almost all gangsters, thieves and murders - ALL WERE SO COWARDLY that they had been rejectd by the fighting forces (Whermacht) as useless even though the forces were desperate for men as the war progressed. ALL SS should hve been shot, killed or otherwise destroyed. Yet many survived to escape overseas - this made possible by CORRUPT allied authorities who took handsome bribes from the SS, who had looted from the prisoners and sold off their food. Furthermore, the NAZIs HAD NO PRIDE, good soldiers would have felt such disgrace at their behaviour being discovered, that they would have shot themselves to avoid capture!
This was MUCH worse that any form of Slavery because Slaves represented value and were seldom summarily murdered. Slaves were worth the equivalent of a new Mercedes S Class car... No one sets a match to a thing of that much value...
@stirlingmoss9637 the slavery of African American. It's was illegal to teach slaves how to read ,even years after slavery southern whites refuse to teach African American.
What are you trying to say??? That Bradley was a war criminal? Or Patton? Or Eisenhower? I am sure you think that sprinkling flower petals would have gotten Hitler to surrender. What about the head of the Joint Chief of Staff, General George Marshall? Opps, be careful there!!! After all, he got the Nobel Peace Prize for rebuilding Germany and the rest of the world with US taxpayer's money!! But I am sure you think the Germans would have spent money rebuilding Poland, or Holland, or Belgium???
During any war war crimes are committed by both sides then when it over the winners get to kill the others sides war criminals but do NOTHING TO THEIR OWN, they Both should be punished, for instance the nuking of Japan by Truman was a war crime millions of innocents died.
You are not well-educated regarding WW 2 are you? The war had to end. We stupid Americans did NOT start the war. Imperial Japan was given warning after warning re: the bomb. The question that you should be asking is why did it take 2 bombs? Why didn't Japan surrender after the first one? They were given apple opportunity. And what about the multiple leaflet drops as warning??? Due to your brilliances, I'm sure you are fully aware that ALL surviving POWs in Japan and in countries still under their control were to be executed with in 2 weeks of the last bomb dropped. And I am sure you are fully aware of the near starvation of the Japanese people due to the interruption of transport for food stuff to the cities? And I am sure you are aware of the intent of ALL Japanese to full arm themselves and kill as many Americans as possible if invasion were to occur? The correct choice was made. It saved millions of lives. Oh yea, mangopog, the firebombing of Tokyo killed far more people.
And one more thing I forgot: Japan, unlike Germany, has NEVER taught their people about WW2 and all the crimes THEY committed everywhere in the world. NEVER. To this day, Japanese students know that the bombs were dropped by the Americans, but few know the cause. Unbelievably, we have members in our House of Representatives that think that the US started WW2 by dropping bombs on Japan!!! (AOC)
My state has many DoC facilities, the majority of which are located in three counties that neighbor eachother. The can only be accessed from one highway. Do you know what would happen if the highways were destroyed and the tractor/trailers (I won't name co's, don't ask) that deliver the ingredients used in the canteens were neutralized? Think about it. My father was a logistian before, during, and after his time as a DoD member, and he has taught me many principles and and methods of logistics. #SecondgenerationEuropeanAmerican
maybe from NAZI eyes, he appeared to be of Jewish or Roma (Gypsie) background. Also at the end of the war, many of the roads and railways had been cut off by allied forces, and this was the only place to put him, even if he should have been at a POW camp.
@@colonelfustercluck486 maybe dose not cut it ! mark felton would have the facts ! could be you have a bias a cause to feel or show inclination or prejudice for or against someone or something. "the search results are biased by the specific queries used" so do you have a Jewish or Roma (Gypsie) background.. is that what these videos are all about a form of propaganda ?
@@chrisjarvis4449 good try chrisjarvis4449, as I mentioned in my reply to you, 'maybe from NAZI eyes'.... and certainly not mine. I was just mooting a couple of possible explanations as to why an American airman was found dead in a German controlled concentration camp...... and that's all. I wrote it from an neutral observer perspective. Good luck with your mission. What ever that may be.
@@peterf1 I disagree. The Third Reich was premised very consciously on the ideology of National Socialism, and drew on both nationalism and on socialism to pursue its conception of a utopia. If nationalism ultimately eclipsed socialism in their project, the socialist influences of enforced equality, elimination of democracy, and totalitarian measures (the end just any means) were enormously in operation to produce the cataclysmic end result. Moreover, turn your attention to the socialist regimes that prevailed subsequent to the defeat of Germany: enforced equality, elimination of democracy, and the very same totalitarian measures to attain their utopian fantasy, with only the reality gulags, genocides and generations living in terror to show for the 75-year failed experiment. I measure ideologies by their outcomes, not by their professed intentions.
@@MrHammerkop Completely incorrect. The NAZIs hated, hated socialists. They murdered their contemporary socialist competition on their way to power. They only put the word socialist in their name to fool the easily fooled. They did not nationalize private enterprise. They dominated private businesses through good old fashioned dictatorship policies. But mostly your suggestion that they "enforced equality" is so wildly ignorant of NAZI life in pre-war and wartime Germany makes us think you haven't studied even a little bit of history. Additionally your post-war observations are so utterly Right Wing misinformed it's quite hilarious. The US competes regularly with the EU which is nearly as large as the US' GDP and ahead in other measurements. Private enterprises of all kinds thrive in these democratic-socialists environments. There's more to socialism than Venezuela. Plus it can be measured that these 'evil socialist' countries provide far safer societies with far less violent civilizations and far more protections for citizens from corporate greed or 'good luck to 'ya' retirements. You need to get out more.
@@MrHammerkop It had nothing to do with socialism as the term is currently used. It was ultra right-wing fascism combined with crony capitalism, propped up by nationalism and racism. As peterf1 says, pretty much the opposite of socialism. And yes, sounds like American education at work.
Where is your documentation? I know that there were Germans that continued to kill GIs (Operation Werewolf). And of course, the GIs what were in concentration camps who died during and after liberation.
Your comments were hid by the absolutely non-double standarded algorythm, written by the programmers of also absolutely non-double standarded google, which has no double standard. Did I mention double standard that's the opposite of what google and yt do? The free world... The Soviet Union would cry on their knees for the recipe, I tell you.
If it wasn't the victorious parties... most of these would be named "murders", too. And not "executions". I don't say it wasn't deserved... just stating facts.
Same thing happened in the Pacific. Marines just mowed down any Japanese soldier who tried to surrender in many cases. Due to widespread knowledge of Japanese mistreatment of prisoners and their propensity to boobytrap themselves, then appear to surrender.
@@Wilt8v92 Beasts are not capable of Retribution. Only Civilized men engage in righteous Retribution. It is the most elemental form of Justice. Look up retribution definition and you will see.
@@MW-bi1pi You sure about that? That no animal will remember and get revenge? Please read Conrad Lorenze. He got the Nobel in biology (animal behavior) and wrote the book "On Aggression". Just say'n...
“Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent” ---Adam Smith
Quoting a financier? Plenty of decisions taken to enrich the greedy come come with deadly consequences for the poor. Don't suppose for a minute that your vicarious pleasures stretch to concern for them ... more likely some elliptical rationale for discounting the crimes of.the 1%.
@@TheHoveHereticLet me guess…you are a socialist or communist buffoon?
@@TheHoveHeretic Truth is the same for financiers, soldiers, and tools.
Seemingly profound quotes deserve scrutiny, lest we follow bumper sticker wisdom. Plenty of victims throughout history have shown mercy to their assailants, and even civilized societies eschew vigilante justice. How would you like Mothers Against Drunk Drivers do your DUI sentencing? MADD by definition might be non objective, biased and have an agenda. This was an extraordinary event in human history, and no one would quibble with vigilante justice in this case. But it remains true that it’s vigilante justice, devoid of due process. True justice is dispassionate, and outside these one off situations, there is a case for mercy. Another bumper sticker quote: “Don’t let someone change you into someone you don’t want to be.” “An eye for an eye” satisfies bloodlust, but there’s all kinds of situations where mercy is in order.
Well said
My father visited the camp the day after it was liberated. He was a Spitfire pilot shot down 6 weeks before by anti aircraft fire and was a POW released by a forward American column. He stayed with them till the war ended. One memory I can never remove is his description of the inmates. He said they looked as if they had moving clothing from the vermin that lived on their skin. He spoke of the American soldiers executing SS guards out of hand. He had no sympathy. He never really got over his antipathy towards Germans. He was disgusted by the German civilians who were marched through the camp denying they had any knowledge.
It is astounding that EVERY son or relative of a US Soldier that was there all say exactly the same thing. And your Spitfire Pilot Father says EXACTLY the same thing as well. None of the accounts differ, this was so horrific that all the people that saw it remember it PRECISELY and their accounts never changed. The men told their sons so it would never be forgotten. I think the sons today have a fuller understanding than others; by far!
But General Patton then said in 1945 that US fought wrong enemy.
Then was killed...
My father was in the 89th division. He told me stories of Ohrdruf many years ago. He said Eisenhower had all the people from a nearby village come and tour the camp because they had said they didn’t know anything about it. The smell was so strong they had to have known. Also, General Patton got sick and threw up when he saw it.
My Dad was in the 4th Armored the whole war. He was at Ohrdruf and saw the prisoners and the bodies. Dad said you could smell the bodies for miles on the approach to the Camp. He knew they all knew it was gonna be bad by the stink but said they couldn't imagine the actual scene. He saw Inmates of Ohrdruf beat to death and literally tear the SS Guards limb form limb. He said they all figured the Krauts had it coming and let the Inmates take their revenge. A young Officer allowed his machine gunners to kill some SS, and some chickenshit rear echelon Major brought charges. General Patton personally quashed the charges. Good for Patton. Dad said Ike forced the towns people to walk through the Camp and any claims they didn't know what was happening there is a crock of-shit because the smell was so bad. Only decomposing bodies smell that way Dad said. The local Mayor and his wife went home and committed suicide that night.
My Dad told me exactly the same story many times. He said he did not want that to ever be forgotten. I have told my adult son. HE will not forget it either.
Outstanding!
Gerade Patton war ein ebenso saddistisches Dreckstück...
Krass wieviele Daddy's live dabei waren
The unfortunate thing that was pretty common in the final days of the 3rd Reich, was the SS left the camps and the overseeing of the camp was often given over to remnants of Wehrmacht and Volkssturm troops. The bastards who were really responsible for such terrible cruelty often got away, and faded into the chaos present then in Germany and Europa.
These monsters gave no mercy or consideration, they should receive none.
Bingo. And none of the Germans who survived were innocent. The fact that the allies allowed any Germans to remain alive is the true crime of WW2.
don't believe every thing they tell you just because they show this channel is renowned for German hate speech .
Ihr habt sie auch tausendfach in euren unzähligen angezettelten Kriegen in den eigenen Reihen - die Monster!
Dude! This was 80 YEARS ago! Those monsters are gone! We have our own monsters to deal with in our own time!
@@saturn722 and you think people have evolved into saint like beings you should take stock no nation is with out psychopaths or sociopath in fact some religions and political ideologues or all political ideologies can become perverted by circumstance create them while the elites are usually the first to go cannibal
I wouldn't call this "reprisals", I'd call this justice. Far too many of these prison guards got away with their crimes.
Did you know the British were firebombing German cities from 1939, then Napalming them with the Americans from 1942? What did the Germans do to either of them to deserve that apart from sue for peace from the start????
History is written by the Victors, there was a cholera outbreak .
@@redherring6154 "History is written by the victors"... What a load of nonsense. We know both sides of the story, as the Nazi's liked to keep meticulous records.
Did you know the Allies had a policy of torturing German P.O.W.’s INTO confessions of genocide?? & if you remember they’ve practiced that war crime ever since, Vietnam, Ireland, Middle East….
Since when has that ever
What, quite frankly, did they expect? An uncle of mine was present at the liberation of Belsen and could never look at a German, or even, post war, a German car, without fighting the urge to vomit.
The SS perpetrators were a SUB CLASS of German (and others) society. A sub class who had been rejected by the military even in time of desperate shortage. (service in the SS was also a punishment for troublemakers during the war). They operated the concentration camps mainly to avoud service on the front line, as well as to steal from the prisoners. There were many decent fighting men on all sides.
Was he a gobshyte?
cant blame the prisoners to take out their guards that tortured them
A war crime shouldn’t be visited by another war crime. I don’t care how they felt, a war crime is a war crime.
@@mangopog9814snowflake 😂😂
If it was your mother or family would you feel the same?
My father was there. He was a Sgt. in a US Army Combat Engineer Battalion. I still have his unit history book which shows photos of executed prisoners that were executed then burned by the Germans.
How old are you now sir.
So was my old man! Go Ft. Belvoir! Well, now the Engineers are at Ft. Leonard Wood.
The liberation of Ohrdruf on April 4, 1945, was a pivotal moment for the American forces, as it marked the first time U.S. troops encountered a Nazi concentration camp in all its horror. The scenes they found were devastating, with mass graves and evidence of severe mistreatment of prisoners. The soldiers were deeply affected by the atrocities they witnessed, and this shock often led to intense anger directed at the SS guards who had overseen the camp's brutal operations.
Yes, the British had been firebombing German cities since 1939 & the Yanks since 1943. When Napalm was invented in 1942 that was unleashed in Biblical proportions on EVERY German city, so what do you expect the Yanks would find?
Very true@@Alkymick1
@@Alkymick1
From the way that you speak you would think Nazi Germany never bombed anybody!
@@williamweb9782 Nope, I know that the number of deaths during the 5-year Blitz of Britain was eclipsed by a single 5-day (Napalm) raid (Operation Gomorrah) of Hamburg by the British. I'm not stupid.
Yet still we have fools who deny this occuring. 😡
Why am I not surprised by the outcome? War does the worst to the human mind..
When we studied Problems Of Democracy in high school in the sixties, we were shown the captured film footage of these atrocities, no censorship. We were of sterner stock in those days, no pampering.
Did they show phoos of the bombed out German cities railroads shipyards bridges?
@@redwater4778 yes
@@redwater4778 Pathetic. Truly.
@@redwater4778 Sadly, that mostly destroyed cities. Plenty of smaller towns and villages remained unscathed.
LOL. Cry harder.
Thanks for another very interesting and informative video.
Your work really brings history alive and more importantly reminds us not to repeat the mistakes of the past.
It would be helpful, if possible that you insert some maps to show us where you are talking about when referring to places.
Thanks again from north east Scotland.
Thanks for your kind words.
Contrast the difference in treatment between those liberated by the western allies and those by the soviets. In the case of the latter, these poor souls were just replacing one slave master with another, as the typical commissar had about as much compassion for Slavs and Jews as the SS. We will never know how many were sent from death camps controlled by the SS, to the gulags in Siberia. Political ideologies aside, the categories of who was deemed "undesirable" between Stalin and Hitler were remarkably similar.
All caused by DISEASED BEHAVIOUR. A problem for ALL 'MANKIND' - Natures worst mistake.
Most of you commentors have no clue. You wore not there you did not live it you cannot say what you would have done. You can only express what you hope you would have had the strength and ability to cope with what you saw and did. Sitting in your comfy chair warm and fat never having seen, herd or gone through a war. Ignorance is abundant.
Amen to that. These holier than thou armchair Philosophers here are ignorant in the extreme.
Absolutely agree.
My father told lying on bed to a chaplain what they did to prisoners.
I accidentally heard what he told.
I couldn't walk away. Everything in my stomach protested heavy!
What i heard was horrible.
I was a kid 17 years.
At the end, he said the most worse i can't even tell you.
I couldn't imagine what could be even worse.
Later on i found out.
They forced a prisoner to bend over a table. And then they hit the poor human being at the lower back and legs until everything was broken. And let them there while it was freezing cold.
The other prisoners were forced to look.
According to my Uncle, after the Malemedy massacre of US soldiers by the SS during the battle of the bulge, no SS prisoners were taken. They were shot on sight. In the Pacific, no quarter was given the Japanese soldiers. This after they started exploding grenades when US medics tried to treat them.
And how did your uncle react to the Chenogne Massacre? Ahh, yes...
Too many here are holier than thou fools. My Dad in the 4th Armored told me exactly the same thing as your Uncle. It was the ONLY thing that stopped the SS murders...
SS were POWs here in the States and in the UK.
@@goldenhawk352 Yes american GIs were worse than the SS. A lot of people don't know, but the US set up death camps which were guarded by MPs who tortured women and children before cremating them in the ovens. Untold story.
Yes, & the Allies had a policy of torturing German POW’s INTO confessions of war crimes…
Have to wonder why there were any guards still around knowing the Americans were so close. Apparently they didn’t get the memo.
Yes, very strange. What were these people thinking? And, also there are some that thought that they could hide amongst the prisoners. As if the prisoners wouldn't know who they were lol. Ridiculous.
If I was a US soldier there I don't know what I would have done. I might have handed the guards to the prisoners and then turn my back.
Many did.
I would have watched.
No tears were shed for.......
Sorry , wrong channel !
for Żere voz no tears Shedtt 4our yorê Commênts
Please give us the sources that you quote in this film. In my research on the 4thAD I have never found any evidence of reprisals and am curious about sources that I may have missed
You missed the bullet holes.
Your research is quite shallow and incomplete. I have seen many sources on this. There are even written accounts of General Patton personally quashing prosecutions of his Soldiers by do-gooder rear echelons. Plus, my 4th Armored Division veteren Father saw it personally and related it to me. See above comments. This reminds me of Gell-Mann Amnesia in a way.
6:32 they are studying the SS blood group tattoo under the left armpit of the man identifying him as SS
Not all SS had this tattoo. Depends on when they entered (?)
@@MARYREED-nh7gb Only the Waffen SS had the blood group, and it was administered in their basic training. The blood group tattoo was administered up until the final weeks of the war. We had several family friends who had served in the Waffen SS, and they told me that the theory was if you were wounded and immediately needed a blood transfusion, the medics didn't need to search your ID disk for the blood type (which was sometimes missing our defaced during the incident). If your left arm was blown away above the location of tattoo, you wouldn't live long anyway, as that large artery leading directly from the heart would cause you to bleed out before you could get medical attention.
If you thought that was bad, you should read up on Andersonville, the Confederate POW camp in Georgia. The Union prisoners, like the German camp prisoners were starved and covered with lice. Guessing the locals in Georgia also claimed not to know that Union prisoners were starving, without much food or medicine and being mistreated. Of course, the starvation and lack of medicine at Andersonville had nothing to do with the Union blockade that cut off food, medicine and clothing to the Confederate states, just as the Allied blockade of imports and bombing of German rail yards and trains that supplied food had nothing to do with the lack of food in the German camps. The Union authorities then had the Andersonville camp commandant executed for being in charge of a POW camp that had a lower death rate than the Union POW camps in the North where there was an abundance of food and medicine and clothing but the Southern prisoners still starved and died from lack of medicine. Victor's justice. LOL
SS guards were criminals who did what they did in order to avoid sevice on the front line, and, to steal from the prisoners. That did not happen in the US Civil War.
Good points!
Yeah, well don't start a war you can't finish.
All I have to say is good.
Please tell us about the Rhine meadow camps!
Calm down, Adolf. There are other videos about them, like eg on Mark Felton’s channel.
@@fredforsythe8310 The Rine Meadow camp was investigated by the Germans themselves (That report is available online.). About 6,000 German POWs died there because they RAN to the Americans and NOT to the Russians nor the Free French (I wonder why??). The Americans were overwhelmed. The camp was cleared by October 1945 (in existence for less than 5 months). Unlike the Germans, we had at that time as well as today have FULL disclosure and documentation by Swiss IRC and the enemy, Germany. Would LOVE full disclosure by the Germans as to number of American POW murdered by them. So far, no such disclosure.
Lies,Lies.Lies and more Lies.@@MARYREED-nh7gb
@@uniformmike05 Calm down Mileikowsky,
Mark Felton is a liar and you know it!
@@binnebesling4860 Is he now? You have to provide credible sources to support that. If you can’t, that makes you the liar.
The voice and accent of the narrator are nearly as harrowing as the subject, he makes these foreign AI bots voice-overs sound good!
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It's a normal English accent..why such an ignorant comment?
Unimaginable horrors. God rest their poor souls.
Just shows how it’s super important to pick leaders with empathy and morality
Unfortunately people let their emotions take over when making these choices. The Nazis worked with Democrats. Yet today all the slums in the U.S. are ran by Dems and they still vote for them!
Ohrdruf is located about 120 miles NW of Bayreuth, Germany.
This is covered in detail by The Code of Laws created in 1754 BC by Hammurabi who knew exactly what was needed to never ever suffer a repeat offender.
you know it bad when Patton didn't want to see it because he'd get sick
How did the liberated perceive being liberated say by the Americans Vs the Soviet? Especially the liberated from the death camps in Poland?
My father, 89th Infantry, 353rd Battalion, was a liberator of this camp.
This story can be repeated many times over. The SS guards had 2 objectives 1 steal as much as possible off the prisoners 2. avoid service in the fight ing areas. Himmler's SS were almost all gangsters, thieves and murders - ALL WERE SO COWARDLY that they had been rejectd by the fighting forces (Whermacht) as useless even though the forces were desperate for men as the war progressed.
ALL SS should hve been shot, killed or otherwise destroyed. Yet many survived to escape overseas - this made possible by CORRUPT allied authorities who took handsome bribes from the SS, who had looted from the prisoners and sold off their food.
Furthermore, the NAZIs HAD NO PRIDE, good soldiers would have felt such disgrace at their behaviour being discovered, that they would have shot themselves to avoid capture!
Shot by who exactly??
@@Alkymick1 Those who HAD NOT BEEN BRIBED - but not many of them, so the SS scum nearly all escaped! Clever reply there Alkymick!!!
You must have learned your history from Marvel comics.
Payback is a bitch.
This and slavery were some of the worst things to happen to humanity..
This was MUCH worse that any form of Slavery because Slaves represented value and were seldom summarily murdered. Slaves were worth the equivalent of a new Mercedes S Class car... No one sets a match to a thing of that much value...
Whose slavery? Generalisation is meaningless.
@stirlingmoss9637 the slavery of African American. It's was illegal to teach slaves how to read ,even years after slavery southern whites refuse to teach African American.
@MW-bi1pi true!
We saw this....
What nationality is the moderator?
they said Patton wouldn't enter but didn't I see his pearl handled pistol with Bradley?
Common misconception..they were ivory not pearl
Eisenhower, Bradley, Patton....
What are you trying to say??? That Bradley was a war criminal? Or Patton? Or Eisenhower? I am sure you think that sprinkling flower petals would have gotten Hitler to surrender. What about the head of the Joint Chief of Staff, General George Marshall? Opps, be careful there!!! After all, he got the Nobel Peace Prize for rebuilding Germany and the rest of the world with US taxpayer's money!! But I am sure you think the Germans would have spent money rebuilding Poland, or Holland, or Belgium???
Regardless of what these people were guilty of, "Execution" is not the proper wording.
Ok except for the robotic voice lol
And lack of pictures or film of those captured and beaten
You sound shocked at the reprisals .
God forbid you show any images of the black and blue guards.
Whats that mean?
Why do people like you think that rushing to the defense of the Nazis is a good look?
@@ObservantHistorianYou misunderstood me. I’m not defending the Nazis. I just wish TH-cam didn’t censor every fucking thing. Got it!
@@Jerry-p3v My sincere apologies for misunderstanding. I think that's a very good and fair point, about a LOT of that kind of censorship on TH-cam.
@ thank you
They say history will repeat itself I hope in this case they were wrong😢❤
why did the camps in the east be abandoned weeks(?) before the soviets arrived yet stay there ?
My ex-girlfriend’s late father was in the 4th Armored Division and was there when they liberated the camp.
My father was there also!
@@stephenmeiresonne6947 Mine too.
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They forced, German pples to look....so they couldn't deny
MY Dad was there
😮WOW!!😮
Well. Reckon they had it coming
Awful, expressionless narration.....
Please say OARdruff.
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Dachau was the first
During any war war crimes are committed by both sides then when it over the winners get to kill the others sides war criminals but do NOTHING TO THEIR OWN, they Both should be punished, for instance the nuking of Japan by Truman was a war crime millions of innocents died.
You are not well-educated regarding WW 2 are you? The war had to end. We stupid Americans did NOT start the war. Imperial Japan was given warning after warning re: the bomb. The question that you should be asking is why did it take 2 bombs? Why didn't Japan surrender after the first one? They were given apple opportunity. And what about the multiple leaflet drops as warning??? Due to your brilliances, I'm sure you are fully aware that ALL surviving POWs in Japan and in countries still under their control were to be executed with in 2 weeks of the last bomb dropped. And I am sure you are fully aware of the near starvation of the Japanese people due to the interruption of transport for food stuff to the cities? And I am sure you are aware of the intent of ALL Japanese to full arm themselves and kill as many Americans as possible if invasion were to occur? The correct choice was made. It saved millions of lives. Oh yea, mangopog, the firebombing of Tokyo killed far more people.
And one more thing I forgot: Japan, unlike Germany, has NEVER taught their people about WW2 and all the crimes THEY committed everywhere in the world. NEVER. To this day, Japanese students know that the bombs were dropped by the Americans, but few know the cause. Unbelievably, we have members in our House of Representatives that think that the US started WW2 by dropping bombs on Japan!!! (AOC)
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My state has many DoC facilities, the majority of which are located in three counties that neighbor eachother.
The can only be accessed from one highway. Do you know what would happen if the highways were destroyed and the tractor/trailers (I won't name co's, don't ask) that deliver the ingredients used in the canteens were neutralized?
Think about it. My father was a logistian before, during, and after his time as a DoD member, and he has taught me many principles and and methods of logistics.
#SecondgenerationEuropeanAmerican
please tell us what would a u.s. army air corp. man be doing at a concentration camp
captured by the germans after being shot down somewhere over nazi occupied europe maybe
maybe from NAZI eyes, he appeared to be of Jewish or Roma (Gypsie) background. Also at the end of the war, many of the roads and railways had been cut off by allied forces, and this was the only place to put him, even if he should have been at a POW camp.
@@colonelfustercluck486 maybe dose not cut it ! mark felton would have the facts ! could be you have a bias a cause to feel or show inclination or prejudice for or against someone or something.
"the search results are biased by the specific queries used" so do you have a Jewish or Roma (Gypsie) background.. is that what these videos are all about a form of propaganda ?
@@chrisjarvis4449 good try chrisjarvis4449, as I mentioned in my reply to you, 'maybe from NAZI eyes'.... and certainly not mine.
I was just mooting a couple of possible explanations as to why an American airman was found dead in a German controlled concentration camp...... and that's all. I wrote it from an neutral observer perspective.
Good luck with your mission. What ever that may be.
There are other accounts of Allied military being held/sent to these types of camps. Members of SAS Operation Loyton are one example.
Good doco
Pity the AI narration featured a very gay voice 🤢
Too many Nazis got off with no punishment. Socialism always results in this.
NAZIs of course being the opposite of socialism. You wouldn't have an American education by any chance?
@@peterf1 I disagree. The Third Reich was premised very consciously on the ideology of National Socialism, and drew on both nationalism and on socialism to pursue its conception of a utopia. If nationalism ultimately eclipsed socialism in their project, the socialist influences of enforced equality, elimination of democracy, and totalitarian measures (the end just any means) were enormously in operation to produce the cataclysmic end result.
Moreover, turn your attention to the socialist regimes that prevailed subsequent to the defeat of Germany: enforced equality, elimination of democracy, and the very same totalitarian measures to attain their utopian fantasy, with only the reality gulags, genocides and generations living in terror to show for the 75-year failed experiment. I measure ideologies by their outcomes, not by their professed intentions.
@@MrHammerkop Completely incorrect. The NAZIs hated, hated socialists. They murdered their contemporary socialist competition on their way to power. They only put the word socialist in their name to fool the easily fooled. They did not nationalize private enterprise. They dominated private businesses through good old fashioned dictatorship policies. But mostly your suggestion that they "enforced equality" is so wildly ignorant of NAZI life in pre-war and wartime Germany makes us think you haven't studied even a little bit of history. Additionally your post-war observations are so utterly Right Wing misinformed it's quite hilarious. The US competes regularly with the EU which is nearly as large as the US' GDP and ahead in other measurements. Private enterprises of all kinds thrive in these democratic-socialists environments. There's more to socialism than Venezuela. Plus it can be measured that these 'evil socialist' countries provide far safer societies with far less violent civilizations and far more protections for citizens from corporate greed or 'good luck to 'ya' retirements. You need to get out more.
@@MrHammerkop It had nothing to do with socialism as the term is currently used. It was ultra right-wing fascism combined with crony capitalism, propped up by nationalism and racism. As peterf1 says, pretty much the opposite of socialism. And yes, sounds like American education at work.
Its sheer CORRUPTION that allowed so many SS to escape.
Welcome to MAGA 2025
Why are you still using this appalling VO? Ruins it for me. Great history but can’t listen to it!
Remember... not much food around due to allied boming.
Maybe they should have dropped cheese sandwiches too ?
That really isn’t a justification for what these animals did.
Remember, Germany started the war and the bombing.
The Allied executed about 500k - 1 million Germans after the war, the Soviet 1 - 3 million.
Where is your documentation? I know that there were Germans that continued to kill GIs (Operation Werewolf). And of course, the GIs what were in concentration camps who died during and after liberation.
Where is my comments?? 😢😮
Your comments were hid by the absolutely non-double standarded algorythm, written by the programmers of also absolutely non-double standarded google, which has no double standard. Did I mention double standard that's the opposite of what google and yt do? The free world... The Soviet Union would cry on their knees for the recipe, I tell you.
How can one "Execute" a "reprisal"? Were there people called 'reprisals'? Your title it sense makes none.
Ok
The AI audio sucks.
The allies also committed war crimes.
Gosh, we've never heard that before! Thanks for rushing to the defense of the Nazis!
Stupid Much?
It is called Retribution. Look it up.
@@ObservantHistorian i am defending no one ,just pointing out some inconvenient truths.
@@MW-bi1pi retrebution is
Not justice ,sound like llack of disapline by allied soldiers.
If it wasn't the victorious parties... most of these would be named "murders", too. And not "executions".
I don't say it wasn't deserved... just stating facts.
Same thing happened in the Pacific. Marines just mowed down any Japanese soldier who tried to surrender in many cases. Due to widespread knowledge of Japanese mistreatment of prisoners and their propensity to boobytrap themselves, then appear to surrender.
@@2TrackMind-c6iAnd Australian diggers were just as ruthless also and drove them into the sea at Buna Gona,war turns men into beasts..
@@Wilt8v92 Beasts are not capable of Retribution. Only Civilized men engage in righteous Retribution. It is the most elemental form of Justice. Look up retribution definition and you will see.
@@MW-bi1pi You sure about that? That no animal will remember and get revenge? Please read Conrad Lorenze. He got the Nobel in biology (animal behavior) and wrote the book "On Aggression". Just say'n...
model for modern day America.
Explain please?