Standard clip is my latest go to clipper, well worth the 25 bucks. I’ve been using it on every mix and am sooo happy with the results. The ability to add saturation is the icing on the cake for this plugin. It turns dull mixes into a crispy , aggressive beast of a song !
Clipping also interacts with whatever’s playing along with your transient-sounds (especially with kick drums). It can provide kicks with the mid/highs they may lack to « click » through a busy session
you should also try bigclipper, v-clip and elephant on clip mode! big clipper is really good at making the transient pop, elephant is generally extremely clean but it sound less loud and punchy but is the one with less distortion and v clip is... great, so many different algorithm to choose from, amazing plugin!
After all these years I still like the dial on IK Multimedia's Classic Clipper as one can choose a setting between hard and soft. As David at Mix Bus TV observed, it's rather "transparent" too. I tried the new one from Brainworx recently but think the former is still gonna be my preference. typed that before you got to it in the vid lol
event horizon is one of my favorite plugins. dave, the demo notification might be appearing because it is actually a free plugin. its a trial that never expires so you just get a popup asking you to pay everytime you open it.
I love Dave Pensado the only thing I don't like is that he still not decide which plugin is his favorite, in every video I watch he have a favorite plugin.
Strat Cat Same. I find that MB clipping seems to work better before the master buss compressor than after it. I guess the lower the dynamic range, the more of an effect you get to neighboring frequencies. Not sure and I'm sure it depends on the quality of the plugin. I am going to have to try the last one he demoed. I'm always a fan of multiband.
crap comparing to KClip, the problem is the attack in the Glue, it is not fast enough to catch ISP and transients, that's why on the master bus you can't use it for the purpose that Dave showed.
nah man, especially on the master you shouldn’t use it. it only has 2x oversampling if you enable it and that’s not enough to prevent aliasing; you’ll still get a SHIT ton of it. Look at kclip or standardclip, which have up to 64x, 128x or even 256x oversampling.
I don't make music for audio engineers, so I've never had any comments from fans and listeners about audible aliasing or that I should use higher oversampling.
maybe i'm in the minority, but damn I think the kick always sounds better clean. any tinge of distortion in the low end never sounds nice to my ears. but hey whatever floats your boat :)
Whats the difference between these plugins and using a limiter/MB Compressor like FabFilter Pro-C or Pro MB. or iZotope Ozone's Maximizer on the master channel?
I don't know, personally, my entire history of using software clippers render useless. It always sounded worst after many a/b ing. Different story with clipping a/d or d/a of high end converters, here I was successful to get transparent 2-3dB of 'shaving' stage a/d or d/a or combining them both to get better results
Regan Owen Keeping it short: With Clipping everything above 0 kinda get’s chopped off. With limiting it get’s pushed down. I prefer working with clippers for like 5 years now, but never without a multiband dynamics processor.
Regan Owen HipHop/Trap songs usually need a hard kick. In my opinion you can get a way harder kick with a clipper. For something like a smooth rocksong, I’d rather use a limiter.
Clipping means the digital signal reaches its limit, its all 1s. It squares the wave. Limiting means you push down the sound in an attempt to keep the sonics. Clipping if done subtly can add excitement but if overdone makes it sound really harsh and electronic. Limiting can be more transparent but may squeeze the dynamics out of the mix if overdone.
i dont understand why i would want to destroy my mix with clipping. loudness lies in the mix not in the final compressor. though subtle overdrive is a must but for limiting i'd always chose something like the fabfilter pro-l to catch the last 0.3-2db of true peaks
Sometimes a limiter pushes transient information back in a non-pleasant way, especially live drums. Clipping even slightly to shave off the peaks instead of limiter retains the energy better. Obviously you quickly lose the dynamics completely, so it's a very subtle artform.
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You can clip loud transients like kick and snare just to bring rest of the track in volume. Clipping short transients is not so noticable and might even sound neat.
TH-cam videos are so difficult to hear nuance. Basically you are just distorting the very loudest parts of the song which are so fast you barely notice them. If you clip a lot, it will sound like distortion basically.
If you done a null test you would realize they all sound exactly the same (as long as you are in hard clipping mode, which you appear to be in all of them) hard clipping is hard clipping no matter what you use, they are literally just chopping off the peaks of the signal without taking "time" in to consideration (no attack and release) Maybe the oversampling is slightly different but when chopping off just a few db there really isnt any difference, just different UI's
you know what confuses me dave the fact that people in hi end studios would even need to use clipping as a technique at all. Why would they need to still maximize the final audio with master clipping if they have all this gear to compress and level everything in a professional way. If I make audio I'm likely to put it in Wavelab and boost the levels to my desired Lufs range and in doing so I usually have to brickwall various extremes by anywhere from 3 - 6 db. If I had more expensive gear to push the levels before mixdown why would I need to worry about master clipping?
Notice how he was using a hip hop instrumental, it all depends on genre and the loudness war is not stopping anytime soon. A great mix engineer (and one of Dave’s friends) Mike Dean recently said that his final masters usually read -6 dB RMS but recently he has pushed it to -4 dB and higher, he does this with clipping! Clipping is an essential part o flow mixing if you want to keep up to date with this on going war.
those numbers -4 and -6 rms don't mean much to me. I read the aes form on final masters the other night and they never mentioned rms once, I think that term is outdated now except for speaker measurement and hi fi audio terminology. the document was all about using k20 +35db for professional audio not k14 or k12. I'm not sure as to what you guys are talking about, clipping the audio merely reduces the dynamics of a project. I have a way to flatten the entire output volume without losing any dynamics but I'm keeping that to myself. As for clipping is essential I would have to disagree with you unless you mean adding gain "distortion." If anything theory is complete opposite in that the higher the watts the more energy you can pass through a system allowing for less distortion but he doesn't talk about all that technical mumbo jumbo. If you play guitar through a 200 watt cabinet the guitars "distortion/clipping/gain" will sound better than the same settings going through a 90 watt speaker cabinet. When he references master bus clipping I assume he means on the master as in final mixdown and not something that can be tooled for a single snare drum channel.
If you consider the shift in music consumption in the past decade I think it’s safe to say that the Loudness Wars are over. As far as releases from main stream mastering engineers, they’re only in continuation of old bad habits. Everything from Apple Music to TH-cam and Radio to Television has implemented perceived loudness normaliztion by default. The only major streaming platform that hasn’t is SoundCloud and I expect that to change soon. Physical CD purchases are down, vinyl purchases are up and vinyl itself has a breaking point once a signal exceeds a certain level to where the information can’t even be pressed to the vinyl. Lossless streaming seems to be the next big move as well. Tidal already has their end covered but Spotify is secretly engaging in price testing on a lossless streaming plan to find an appropriate price point before going public. Anyone who tries to justify crushing and distorting sounds for the sake of loudness in 2018 is completely indenial. Now if it’s for the sake of effect and aesthetic that’s one thing. The new loudness normalization implementation encourages the utilization of all the dynamic range that digital audio made possible.
I like what you had to say Mixed by Drops and can agree but more specifically what you said about old guys carrying old habits into a newer world that was interesting I never thought about it like that. I only cleaned lined the audio file with brickwall after the fact because I would know if someone looked at it they would think visually the file as unpolished and that's of course what you are talking about. For years how we have compared what an audio looks like and how the "pros" look instead of using our ears to compare.
I like Dave but this is a terrible video he literally didn’t explain anything what do you need to know is that clipping if used right can gain headroom while retaining the perceived loudness of your tracks
Legit every video like this with pensado, I feel like he is not going into details, his use of the plugins is very basic everytime and makes literally no diffence from his A to B comparisons, and I'm listening on my k702's from which you can hear the smallest changes.
HORNGEN4. Well they did invent VSTs, so all their products work together.. The DAW comes with everything a person would need to start and finish a project. Menus and features are well organized, don't need take a class or memorize keycommands to get started, but also do have some extra advance features that may take some learning.
Very cool to see you using KClip 3! The Crisp mode is based off of some famous "blue" hardware, by the way. :)
Yeah, The Lavry Blue's Soft Sat is what the Crisp mode is based on
Standard clip is my latest go to clipper, well worth the 25 bucks. I’ve been using it on every mix and am sooo happy with the results. The ability to add saturation is the icing on the cake for this plugin. It turns dull mixes into a crispy , aggressive beast of a song !
+1
I totally agree, standard CLIP is awesome. So much flexibility, it's real bang for buck.
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SKIP TO TEST DIFF CLIPPERS
Clipping also interacts with whatever’s playing along with your transient-sounds (especially with kick drums). It can provide kicks with the mid/highs they may lack to « click » through a busy session
I use TRacks Soft Clipper on my master after I have a nice mix. Makes it really shine and sound polished. Industry cheat code lol
Yeah just started using it myself.
I like it but its not as good as others I've used. not as crunchy as I like my soft clippers
@@ecklectic3126 Can you recommend some others?
@@ecklectic3126 like which others?
i was like daaaaaamn lmao 3:27
Unrelated but this beat is hard as hell lol
for reallll lol
Exactly what I’m saying
facts
Facts lol
Exactly
Dave with the sauce?
Ave Mcree right tho!
3:27
Just subscribed to your channel and went through a couple vid that came up through suggestions. Now I'm seeing you on Pensado's channel :)
you should also try bigclipper, v-clip and elephant on clip mode!
big clipper is really good at making the transient pop, elephant is generally extremely clean but it sound less loud and punchy but is the one with less distortion and v clip is... great, so many different algorithm to choose from, amazing plugin!
Hi Lil Dave!
After all these years I still like the dial on IK Multimedia's Classic Clipper as one can choose a setting between hard and soft. As David at Mix Bus TV observed, it's rather "transparent" too. I tried the new one from Brainworx recently but think the former is still gonna be my preference.
typed that before you got to it in the vid lol
event horizon is one of my favorite plugins. dave, the demo notification might be appearing because it is actually a free plugin. its a trial that never expires so you just get a popup asking you to pay everytime you open it.
it's an honor system. It's so good, its worth buying. I finally did after a good while of using it.
@@Ottomastering doesnt work on m1 i forgot this pugin existed
@@waynepayne864 works for
Me on m1
I love Dave Pensado the only thing I don't like is that he still not decide which plugin is his favorite, in every video I watch he have a favorite plugin.
Is Lara Mercy he has 5000 plugins and only 500 favs
master bus clipping.. my new focus of study
Strat Cat Same. I find that MB clipping seems to work better before the master buss compressor than after it. I guess the lower the dynamic range, the more of an effect you get to neighboring frequencies. Not sure and I'm sure it depends on the quality of the plugin. I am going to have to try the last one he demoed. I'm always a fan of multiband.
I just got Acustica Audio "Diamond Lift2". Very easy to overdo on metal mixes. Still tweaking things but sounds good.
When he played the beat first time I was like “Rah man like Dave go on then” 😭
This cracked me up 😂😂
i have been using JST clip for over a year on my master bus and all my friends thought i was crazy!
Then they hear your absolutely slamming mixes and shut up ;) that plugin is gold
can't go wrong with Joey Sturgis' plugins! Especially if you mainly produce Metal!
Have you checked out boz's new clipping plugin? I think the multiband functionality is nice.
Do you typically use soft clipping as part of your mixing or mastering process?
both
Dudes. Give AirWindows' PurestDrive a shot. Genius plugin.
Love the life from the t-racks
The soft clip in Ableton Live's Glue Compressor is gold.
crap comparing to KClip, the problem is the attack in the Glue, it is not fast enough to catch ISP and transients, that's why on the master bus you can't use it for the purpose that Dave showed.
Junk Action I use it all the time on master buss and my tracks sound fine on radio and digital streaming.
nah man, especially on the master you shouldn’t use it. it only has 2x oversampling if you enable it and that’s not enough to prevent aliasing; you’ll still get a SHIT ton of it. Look at kclip or standardclip, which have up to 64x, 128x or even 256x oversampling.
I don't make music for audio engineers, so I've never had any comments from fans and listeners about audible aliasing or that I should use higher oversampling.
Yeah it's great. My other is presswerk.
Dave is the man. Game over.
Thanks Dave for the wisdom.
Is this what the UAD Elysia Alpha Compressor plug-in is doing when you use “soft clip”?
Yes
I have the Plugin Alliance version
Did not expect that beat.
and that beat is very nice! I wannna know who made it
maybe i'm in the minority, but damn I think the kick always sounds better clean. any tinge of distortion in the low end never sounds nice to my ears. but hey whatever floats your boat :)
I take it you don't listen to any hip hop then lol
Then you use a clipper that allows you to clip in different ranges
I listen to plenty of hip hop just nothing from the past 5-10 years, mostly older
Liam Gaughan Agreed. I usually think guitar or vocals first and kick last. I like my kicks clean and punchy.
all the new trap sounds are clipped, it's like a new sound
*V-Clip* and *LVC Clipshifter* are superior!
+1 for V Clip. Great clipper. Haven't used LVC Clipshifter though. How would you compare it to V Clip?
G-Clip is a really good clipping plugin that utilizes oversampling, and its free!
Yes yes. That's a hidden treasure :)
Free clip too
Whats the difference between these plugins and using a limiter/MB Compressor like FabFilter Pro-C or Pro MB. or iZotope Ozone's Maximizer on the master channel?
sound
that beat though
Fruity soft clipper is gold
It this fr? How about g clip vs fruity clip?
Man this beat goes so hard!!!!
What are your fav's now Dave? :)
If I do apply clipping I using the clipper in DMG Limitless
I am using Flatline.
I don't know, personally, my entire history of using software clippers render useless. It always sounded worst after many a/b ing. Different story with clipping a/d or d/a of high end converters, here I was successful to get transparent 2-3dB of 'shaving' stage a/d or d/a or combining them both to get better results
So everyone is selling us plugins and we need hw?
Bro i stand with you the soft clip plugin may sound good but not even close to my mastering converter
Try Advanced Clipper from Thimeo Stereo Tool.
MSaturator is free and probably the most versatile.
thecliqueshallsetyoufree yes
Newb question. What's the difference between this and limiting?
Regan Owen Keeping it short: With Clipping everything above 0 kinda get’s chopped off. With limiting it get’s pushed down. I prefer working with clippers for like 5 years now, but never without a multiband dynamics processor.
Regan Owen HipHop/Trap songs usually need a hard kick. In my opinion you can get a way harder kick with a clipper. For something like a smooth rocksong, I’d rather use a limiter.
Clipping means the digital signal reaches its limit, its all 1s. It squares the wave. Limiting means you push down the sound in an attempt to keep the sonics. Clipping if done subtly can add excitement but if overdone makes it sound really harsh and electronic. Limiting can be more transparent but may squeeze the dynamics out of the mix if overdone.
limiters have attack and release speed, whereas clippers do not.
KClip is really good.
Awesome tip, Thanks Pensado! 🎧👌
Waaaaaaaa Ive been using Event Horizon for forever, thought it was ok. Never mind hahahahahah
i dont understand why i would want to destroy my mix with clipping. loudness lies in the mix not in the final compressor. though subtle overdrive is a must but for limiting i'd always chose something like the fabfilter pro-l to catch the last 0.3-2db of true peaks
distorted sound sometimes sound good, depends on your aesthetic preference ofc.
@@jasoncruizer nice to know, thx
Sometimes a limiter pushes transient information back in a non-pleasant way, especially live drums. Clipping even slightly to shave off the peaks instead of limiter retains the energy better.
Obviously you quickly lose the dynamics completely, so it's a very subtle artform.
Link us to all of your Grammy winning records, would love to listen to them.
Clipping is to digital what tape was to analog-A. Chill.
buen final ahí
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And here i am with nothing on my mixbus, tf you guys doing???
did he just say lavry fucking gold? im buying
I can't even tell the difference :(
What's the purpose of clipping?
You can clip loud transients like kick and snare just to bring rest of the track in volume.
Clipping short transients is not so noticable and might even sound neat.
TH-cam videos are so difficult to hear nuance. Basically you are just distorting the very loudest parts of the song which are so fast you barely notice them. If you clip a lot, it will sound like distortion basically.
Reduce dynamic range, and distort sound.
It's not hard to hear difference in youtube videos btw.
Just got JST clipper!!😁
@Muso Snoop lol. Who cares. Sound is all that matters
hi, its me
superrrr
If you done a null test you would realize they all sound exactly the same (as long as you are in hard clipping mode, which you appear to be in all of them) hard clipping is hard clipping no matter what you use, they are literally just chopping off the peaks of the signal without taking "time" in to consideration (no attack and release) Maybe the oversampling is slightly different but when chopping off just a few db there really isnt any difference, just different UI's
you know what confuses me dave the fact that people in hi end studios would even need to use clipping as a technique at all. Why would they need to still maximize the final audio with master clipping if they have all this gear to compress and level everything in a professional way. If I make audio I'm likely to put it in Wavelab and boost the levels to my desired Lufs range and in doing so I usually have to brickwall various extremes by anywhere from 3 - 6 db. If I had more expensive gear to push the levels before mixdown why would I need to worry about master clipping?
Clayton Brown he is not using clipping for volume, its for improving the excitement,the transients ,to make the drums 'pop' imo
Notice how he was using a hip hop instrumental, it all depends on genre and the loudness war is not stopping anytime soon. A great mix engineer (and one of Dave’s friends) Mike Dean recently said that his final masters usually read -6 dB RMS but recently he has pushed it to -4 dB and higher, he does this with clipping! Clipping is an essential part o flow mixing if you want to keep up to date with this on going war.
those numbers -4 and -6 rms don't mean much to me. I read the aes form on final masters the other night and they never mentioned rms once, I think that term is outdated now except for speaker measurement and hi fi audio terminology. the document was all about using k20 +35db for professional audio not k14 or k12. I'm not sure as to what you guys are talking about, clipping the audio merely reduces the dynamics of a project. I have a way to flatten the entire output volume without losing any dynamics but I'm keeping that to myself.
As for clipping is essential I would have to disagree with you unless you mean adding gain "distortion."
If anything theory is complete opposite in that the higher the watts the more energy you can pass through a system allowing for less distortion but he doesn't talk about all that technical mumbo jumbo. If you play guitar through a 200 watt cabinet the guitars "distortion/clipping/gain" will sound better than the same settings going through a 90 watt speaker cabinet. When he references master bus clipping I assume he means on the master as in final mixdown and not something that can be tooled for a single snare drum channel.
If you consider the shift in music consumption in the past decade I think it’s safe to say that the Loudness Wars are over. As far as releases from main stream mastering engineers, they’re only in continuation of old bad habits. Everything from Apple Music to TH-cam and Radio to Television has implemented perceived loudness normaliztion by default. The only major streaming platform that hasn’t is SoundCloud and I expect that to change soon. Physical CD purchases are down, vinyl purchases are up and vinyl itself has a breaking point once a signal exceeds a certain level to where the information can’t even be pressed to the vinyl. Lossless streaming seems to be the next big move as well. Tidal already has their end covered but Spotify is secretly engaging in price testing on a lossless streaming plan to find an appropriate price point before going public. Anyone who tries to justify crushing and distorting sounds for the sake of loudness in 2018 is completely indenial. Now if it’s for the sake of effect and aesthetic that’s one thing. The new loudness normalization implementation encourages the utilization of all the dynamic range that digital audio made possible.
I like what you had to say Mixed by Drops and can agree but more specifically what you said about old guys carrying old habits into a newer world that was interesting I never thought about it like that. I only cleaned lined the audio file with brickwall after the fact because I would know if someone looked at it they would think visually the file as unpolished and that's of course what you are talking about. For years how we have compared what an audio looks like and how the "pros" look instead of using our ears to compare.
Ivy League educated 😂 Bulllsheeet
Dave’s humor has a subtety to it that the other ones don’t have.
hi Great video
can I get ur e-mail
I want u to analysis my mix for me
I like Dave but this is a terrible video he literally didn’t explain anything what do you need to know is that clipping if used right can gain headroom while retaining the perceived loudness of your tracks
Legit every video like this with pensado, I feel like he is not going into details, his use of the plugins is very basic everytime and makes literally no diffence from his A to B comparisons, and I'm listening on my k702's from which you can hear the smallest changes.
listen to kick since it's loudest part of song. If u had for example snare the loudest then snare would sound different.
looking for an advantage? ... go with Cubase
facts
why
HORNGEN4. Well they did invent VSTs, so all their products work together.. The DAW comes with everything a person would need to start and finish a project. Menus and features are well organized, don't need take a class or memorize keycommands to get started, but also do have some extra advance features that may take some learning.
jmac2050 cubase went out with the ark.
jmac2050 the same can be said about Logic Pro X and PreSonus Studio One.
Ever heard of loudness normalization? Streaming services do that. We all can stop now. Seriously.
Nope, we can't, even in 2022. There is still loudness and perceived loudness.
@@xanderpills Oh wow. That was my opinion 3 years ago? Meanwhile I've completely changed my mind on the topic.Was so passive aggressive too 😅