I think it is ridiculous! The National Parks belong to us! $300? That's criminal! So TH-camr's will have to get one for each National Park they want to film at? That's insane!
This is absolute abuse of the intention of this rule. The National Parks ORIGINALLY only had permits for LARGE PRODUCTION COMPANIES, because they brought it large trucks, set up meal wagons and had lots of feet on the ground which caused a certain amount of DISTURBANCE and often damage to the area within the park. Smaller productions were exempt, because they did not do the damage that larger productions did and smaller productions do not DISTURB the aesthetics of the park and the park EXPERIENCE. TH-camrs DO NONE OF THAT! They don't DISTURB anything and they don't DESTROY anything. THE TELL TALE OF THIS is that if you don't monetize, you can shoot the same exact thing you would if you monetized, but if you get paid, you have to pay the park to shoot the same exact thing you were allowed to photograph had you not been monetize. THAT MEANS IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING EXCEPT ANOTHER WAY FOR OUR GOVERNMENT TO EXPLOIT AND EXTORT MONEY FROM CITIZENS. The only variable in the rule is if you are MONETIZED. BEING MONETIZED DOES NOTHING TO HARM OR DAMAGE THE PARK. Same person, sitting in the same car, taking the same photo or video as the TH-camR does not have to pay anything to use the video on their page. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY OBSCENE TO ME... ABSOLUTE ABUSE OF TAXPAYERS who already pay taxes to build and maintain the parks, then have to pay an entry fee to get into the park they paid taxes to build and maintain. THIS NONSENSE HAS TO STOP! $300 to LOOK at an application and another $200 or MORE to issue a permit? THIS IS FINANCIAL RAPE as far as I am concerned. HIGHWAY ROBBERY! Americans should pull together and DEMAND this ABUSE BE ELIMINATED! ABSOLUTELY INSANE!
@@traceytrotter9934 NOTHING belongs to the Federal Government, they don't own a single thing. Everything they MANAGE is THE PEOPLE'S. BOUGHT WITH CITIZEN TAXES... Money that does not BELONG to the government, they are only CHARGED WITH MANAGING OUR FUNDS FOR PRIMARILY, THE #1 FUNCTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is to PROVIDE SAFETY AND SECURITY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES. Beyond that, every dime they spend is REQUIRED BY LAW to be FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES, ie; THE TAXPAYERS BY WHOM, FOR WHOM THEY LAWFULLY, LEGALLY, CONTSTITUTIONALLY ARE EMPLOYED.
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This is the greed of the government. And it's Biden's policies. Keep an eye on Capitol Hill and you'll see the things that are going on. And the worst part of it is those three branches of the government that are supporting these evil plans
@@DIZEMANPHOTO yes I agree with you 100%. And Biden continues to tax us more with more rules and regulations, just like a dictator. I apologize I didn't mean to get political. But it's part of it. And if you thinks this is the only way to get us out of our national debt, then we need to stop spending the money. Actually wasting it by sending it to foreign countries to fight Wars that we are not or do not want to be a part of. The wolf is at the door, and we need to bar it. And hang the wolf
Addendum to 'PERMIT to film in National Parks' and in the context of 'big brother': Find out who you are not allowed to criticize, then you know who rules you.
This is ridiculous and I have heard several TH-camrs reporting on this. Your report was the most thorough! I want to know what we as US citizens can do to overturn this stupid, stupid rule? Does anybody have any suggestions? I feel it's high time we start sticking up for our rights. I'm tired of all the fees and taxes. It's nothing but money grubbing.
Sarah, do not give in to those ridiculous fees, there’s plenty of other scenic places for you to go. If enough people refuse to pay for those applications, they’ll go away eventually
Are you sure about that? It is like "if enough people refuse to pay speeding tickets, they'll go away (or the system gets overwhelmed)". Does not work that way!
This is a way for the Park Service to keep people from enjoying our National Parks. discourage people from coming, gives them less work and they can hide their problems in the park if people can not take pictures of them. This doesn't cover just National Parks but all federal land everywhere, B.L.M. land, National Forest land and National Monuments, also National Recreational lands, like Lake Meade National recreational area. Everything that belongs to the federal government, It does not belong to the people anymore, it just belongs to the Federal Government .
Please be aware that individual states may also charge commercial photographers rates and fees for state parks; Nevada does. Their daily rates range from $50 to $3,500 per day. A "class A" permit is $500 annually, which I presume is a rate that covers only basic photographic activities. Nevada has some +- 25 state parks that require payments from commercial photographers. Valley of Fire state park has its own fee schedule. I believe Utah has a payment schedule for commercial photographers as well, per state park. I am a pro photographer and I simply avoid state and federal parks to do my work. I can (maybe) understand charging large groups that could have an impact on the park's resources, but you're required pay even if you take a client to a state park for an hour or so to , say, take class photos. I and my wife are overlanders and photographers and we avoid state and federal parks... our goal is solitude, anyway. All this boils down to is pathetic politicians perpetuating their worthless jobs.
Excuse me last I checked this is the United States of America 🇺🇸 I understand the entrance fees that helps maintain the roads and facilities but a filming fee this is way out of hand 🤬
I'm very middle-of-the-road politically but this rule is the most blatant government overreach I've heard of in my 73 years! Looks like TH-cam creators and us subscribers need to bombard our senators and representatives with emails demanding a change to this ridiculously repressive rule. I refuse to believe that whoever created this rule way back when intended it to be applied in this way. As you point out, the application itself is geared toward movie makers and commercial producers, not one person with a camera sharing their park experiences.
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SO IF AN AVERAGE OF 93% CONSIDERED WILDERNESS AND ABSOLUTELY UN RECORDABLE WHAT GOOD IS THE 7 PERCENT THAT'S LEFT AS THERE'S BOUND TO BE PART OF THAT 93% IN THE BACKGROUND IT'S NOT EVEN SAFE TO DO A RECORDING OF A VISTAGE AS YOU'RE BOUND TO GET SOME OF THAT STUFF IN THE BACKGROUND AND END UP BEING DEMONITORISED FROM TH-cam AND YOU BETTER TAKE ALL YOUR OLD STUFF DOWN 👇 BUT MIGHT POSSIBLY HAVE ANY PART OF THAT 93% AVERAGE I DON'T KNOW IF THE TH-cam MANAGEMENT IS AWARE OF THIS BUT AS SOON AS THEY ARE THE TH-cam POLICE WILL BE DOING EVERYTHING FROM THE MONITOR RISING $$$ TO PUTTING THEM IN TH-cam JAIL
They really should introduce a "permit for filming for a small TH-cam channel" that is valid for a year and all parks, and does not require all those details. Just for "travel all over the country and doing ad-hoc filming by a single person without setting up props and otherwise altering the environment". That should solve it for all those youtubers that are affected by this, without again causing an unequal treatment vs the commercial film studios.
or maybe just different tiers when you pay your entry fee. One price for families and vistors, one price for individual amateur filmmakers, one Amateur groups, and one for studios and businesses with over 15 employees.
@@ThatTieDyeGuy I think the issue is not that they want to receive money, and want more money from those that are filming, but they want to regulate the use of parks as film sets, via a permit system. A permit application can be evaluated and the permit can be refused. That is what it is about. They really did not want to do this for the individual filming a park as they travel through it, but AFAIK some stakeholder protested against unequal treatment and the court ruled that the same permit system should be in place for all commercial filming.
@@Rob2 basically what I see is happening is that some wealthy jerk got charged to make a film in a national park and then when he sees people making a living doing better films than their "professionals," they went apeshit and started demanding "equal treatment" knowing full and well the high permit fees would destroy the uppity TH-camrs and their little channels. Power and control.... or mine mine mine mine, profit profit profit..... I for one am sick and tired of it. If the wealthy people want to play a Live Action Full Contact reenactment of the french revolution, they should keep stuff like this up. Not to insight violence... right now it could go one of three ways; france 1780-1812, or Germany 1933 - onward; OR we find a third way that does not make as big of a bloody mess. Like maybe not doing shit like this to good people who want nothing more to get by and be left alone. We Get To Choose Our Own Adventure ;)> So what's it gonna be...
This is GREED to the highest degree !!! Really pisses me off that they would enforce such nonsense on You Tuber's !! Give me a freakin break !! Grateful that this country has many wonderful places to explore and you will continue to take us on your journey. You can tell us about your viisits to the parks in your live video's. No filming needed ! You are a great story teller Sarah ! We are right there with you girl....got your back ! ❤❤
Possible alternative...taking pictures (for personal use) and compiling those with added narrative. Now, I've never done video editing, so I don't really know what kind of work is involved. I admit I don't really know what I'm asking. Was just trying to brainstorm a work-around... Anyway, good luck, safe travels & thanks for letting me look through your eyes. 💚
Just use still photos instead of video. Turn it into a slideshow, or maybe pan around within each still photo like a Ken Burns film. Section 5.2 (b) as you show at just 3 seconds into this video, makes it clear that you're allowed to take and use still photos commercially with no permit required, and it also shows what the exceptions that do require a permit are (using models, sets, props; photographing places not open to the public, etc.) Use an audio recording app rather than video recording, if you want the narration to be from while you're there taking the photos. Until the "commercial video permit" issue gets fixed (and it will) the above is a perfectly usable workaround. The line between what is a burst of still photos, and what is a video, is a blurry line anyway, though the feds are the wrong folks to push the envelope with on that, to make a test case. For sure, if you have to click a shutter button by hand each time a still photo is taken, you are good to go. Semi-auto vs automatic is a very good analogy to this. So don't try using the photographic equivalent of a bump stock or any other trick to speed up pushing the shutter. Setting a camera intervalometer to automatically take a still 5 or 10 times per second would be pushing your luck. One still frame per second, you might win (due to the slow rate which could be just as easily achieved by hand) or lose in court (due to it being achieved AUTOmatically by machine). Somewhere around 1 photo per second or slower, it's pretty clearly a series of still photos rather than a video, though I'd be careful and not present that series of stills as a time-lapse video. Some folks judge the line between still photography and video photography by whether they see movement, some by what word most people use, some judge by what word the camera maker uses, some judge by technical details (frame rate, resolution, etc), some judge by how you present the results (as in the "slide show" vs "time lapse video" presentation of exactly the same series of photos already taken.) Just hit the shutter button once for each photo, don't present it in a way showing movement like a video, and you're good to go.
Sarah, not sure if this is in the comments section yet, but there is a bill moving slowly though congress which will allow free filming in national parks as long you meet certain conditions. look it up, call and e-mail your repesentive in congress, lets get this passed this year. H.R.1576 - FILM Act
National parks are public, not a public business corporation. The application's question "if you intend to claim you first ammendment rights" should be taken to the American Institute for Justice. They are on youtube. Look them up.
This is absolutely ridiculous for us small timers to go through all of that!! Good luck getting it changed though. I live in SC and will contact my state reps to see if anything can be done. Everyone else needs to do the same!! Love your spot by Sequoia, been around that area a lot!! There are many amazing places to go that aren’t in a NP!!
Anyone on TH-cam filming in National Parks is respectful of others and follows the Leave No Trace ethics. They are promoting the Parks so it's ridiculous the NPS wants to charge a permit. They should pay me for wearing that hoodie I bought with the park's name on it. I'm giving them free advertising every time I wear it and so are the TH-camr's who film there.
When I was in Costa Maya, Mexico at the Chacchoben ruins in January, they did charge $4 for the content creators to film. I think if the National parks charged content creators a flat fee like $50 would be fair. If it's for a production company then charge the permits and fees. It's strange they are charging so much for content creators.
There are tons of hunting and fishing videos on TH-cam showing hunts on National Forests, designated Wilderness areas. I guarantee very few if any of them have permits.
I also got one year probation for having an open container at the Grand Canyon and they even impounded my truck that I was living in so be careful of national parks
Federal law requires a permit for all commercial filming, no matter the size of the crew or the type of equipment. This includes individuals or small groups that don’t use much equipment, but generate revenue by posting footage on websites, such as TH-cam and TikTok. The PRIMARY FOCUS of the NPS, however, is on COMMERCIAL filming that has the potential to IMPACT park resources and visitors BEYOND what occurs from normal visitor use of park areas. Examples of this type of filming are productions that use substantial equipment such as sets and lighting, productions with crews that exceed 5 people, and filming in closed areas, wilderness areas, or in locations that would create conflicts with other visitors or harm sensitive resources.
I honestly don't have a problem with there being a small fee being charged to for profit businesses (which a monetized YT channel is) for using our National Parks to make money. I think the $300 is way too much!. I could see an individual You Tuber being charged that for an annual pass that gives them access to ALL national parks, but for a single park it is excessive.
All about control. Money. Etc. It's our earth, not just one persons. I think you nailed it when you said some people can't see these places and you want to share it. Bingo. Less money in governments pocket because they watch it for free instead of paying high entrance fees.
Control and censorship deleted all the answers from yesterday. This is again typical and was to be expected. Their game will be over soon. We are the 99%. 😂😂😂
20 or more years ago I became disolusioned with the National Parks and have become resentful of any more of America falling under their jurisdiction. Write you congress man and woman and complain. this May we have the oportunity to vote against incumbents.
15:27 I try to abide by the rules and regulations, but sometimes it's better to beg for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission if it even comes up. As you mentioned, you're a one woman TH-camr, not a Hollywood studio. We'll stay with you and your channel with them or without them. 🤙
Okay though i am shocked to the permit, it is for any *commercial* reasons only if one intends to upload the videos which in my opinion is just wrong. The government just looks at making money off anything. $300 per permit is just ridiculous. If anything the government should look at it is for free advertisement. I could see maybe $25 to $50 dollars per permit if that and even that amount would be unnecessary as the national parks are making money off everyone visiting anyhow. Sarah thank you kindly for bringing this to our attention. It simply is not worth the drama on the national parks attempt to closing our channels down. God bless you sweetie and stay safe on your travels.
I think the law/rules need adjusted for INDIVIDUALS. I agree that form seems more for major productions. In your situation, I think this calls for civil disobedience, and some letters to representatives. This also feels like being double taxed. You already get 1099's by TH-cam on monetized videos, and pay taxes on those earnings.
After doing some more research, apparently if it falls under the jurisdiction of the National Park Service, it requires a permit to film for commercial purposes. This apparently includes most (but not all) National Monuments. For example, some National Monuments relate to military history, over which apparently the National Park Service does not have jurisdiction. National forests, on the other hand, are managed by the US Forest Service, under the Department of Agriculture, and therefore (currently) do not require permits for filming.
The NPS purposefully makes it difficult and confusing to discourage one from filming in our National Parks. (I fly a drone and I know that flying drones are prohibited in National and State Parks without a permit). Since The National Park Service requires a commercial permit, one would think that you would not have to repeat the process for each of the National Parks. Are they not the jurisdictional body over all of the national parks? One blanket permit should suffice. I would not want to pay $300 for each national park I visit and want to capture video and take still photography in. There are 62 national parks! A permit for each of them would total $18,600! That would be a very expensive road trip for a traveling TH-camr sharing their adventures in them. It is my hope that the NPS take a more reasonable position on this permit thing. It is absurd. Thank you for sharing the process.
Any National Park Employee has to advise us accurately on the regulations of the park--whether they agree with them or not. Unfortunately--it's obvious these regulations were created at least 50 years ago--long before there was such a thing of social media. Hopefully you bringing awareness to this issue--will start applying pressure to get these regulations updated to the current times. Unfortunately--Government often moves at a snails pace until enough attention is brought to bear on it. It's not a conspiracy. It's not Government against our Freedoms. It's more like Government still has more catching up to do. Thanks
it costs a lot of money to maintain / operate National Parks. I see comments that the are already paid for, they aren't factoring in the annual upkeep costs.
That's crazy I do hope they change that soon , anyways like you said Sarah there is plenty of other scenery out there. Give little one a hug and stay safe love ya
Most rules are to handle the extremes. If you didn't need a permit random people would set up to film anywhere that might interfere with other users. Its just because there are so many thoughtless people that we need rules.
I would write your Congress person and US Senators about this. This application fee for each park is insane! Just thinking of Moab with multiple oarks within 50 miles.
Another point would be, someone watched your video about a Park and says hey I'd like to visit that in person! Your video would be a free tourism ad for the Park.
My understanding is that you only need a permit to film or take still pictures if you're trying to make money off your recordings in any way, shape or form. If you are only filming for your vacation memories and your group consists of 7 or less people, you don't need a permit. My understanding is that it does NOT apply to National Forests. It does for sure apply to National Parks, I'm not sure about National Monuments. But it CAN BE much much more expensive than what you've shared. Under some conditions they will require a park ranger to monitor you and follow you around, and I believe the fee for that is like $50 per hour. Yikes.
Rather than making stuff up, or saying what your "understanding is", just pause this video 3 seconds in, and READ THE LAW. If you had done that, half the stuff you said goes out the window, and you'd know what you're talking about. Just regarding National Parks, where it's extremely simple to figure out, you're mostly right about video, you're mostly wrong about still photos. But you're not completely right about almost anything you said. There's nothing surprising about that. It is completely normal for uninformed people who get their info from other uninformed people, and won't stop and read the actual answer when it's put right in front of their eyes 3 seconds into a video.
@@EfficientRVer I did not "make stuff up." I qualified my statements with "my understanding" because I did READ THE LAW but it was a few months ago before my trip to a national park (whom I also called about this), and things may have changed since then. And yes, at the time the way I READ THE LAW commercial still photography required a permit. I just checked the National Park Service web site and YES, it still says "Filming & Still Photography Permits" in which it explicitly states "In most cases, a permit is not necessary for visitors engaging in casual, non-commercial still photography. There are some circumstances when a permit is needed for commercial still photography and filming." At the very minimum for Wandering Jeepsy's case, she shows a still image of herself at her location in almost every single one of her thumbnails, and as such she is therefore considered a model for her commercial publishing, and therefore the permit for still photography applies to her. Since she films herself at her location, she is again considered a model for her commercial publishing, and again there is no question the filming permit requirement also applies to her. The businesses about small groups and a park ranger sometimes following people around to monitor them at something like $50/hour (from memory) came from a phone call to the park I was visiting when I asked them about the permitting process. Is it possible that person I talked to was wrong or things have changed since then? Sure. But FAR more importantly, nowhere does the government say you are required to be an a-hole and rain down on people who are trying to be helpful by providing their interpretation of what they know to others. People ARE allowed to be wrong or make mistakes, too, *and everyone knows that.* As such, ultimately each person is required to "READ THE LAW" before they proceed with their activity. But others sharing what they know to give each person a "heads up" for what to expect *is still a good thing.* Shame on you for vilifying others who share what they believe to be true when trying to be helpful, even if they've made a mistake. All that can come of that is people being afraid to try to help others. That would be a terrible world. Correcting others mistakes in a respectful manner is also a good thing. We can all learn that way. Fortunately I'm old, and don't give the tiniest iota of a crap what you think, and it won't ever stop me from trying to be helpful. All you do with a post like that is show the world what a jerk you can be. I'm out. I have no more time or patience for you. If you reply, it WILL be ignored, so I suggest you save your breath.
The $300 non refundable application fee is too much! Plus cost of the actual permit. Crazy! I'm sad you will not be able to share videos with us from the National Parks!
Yes! Let our legislators know what we feel on this. If no one says anything, they won’t know & it won’t likely be changed. It really doesn’t do much to complain to one another other than it gives us a chance to unload our frustration. We elected all of them, it’s our responsibility to tell them.
Omg! Absolutely insane that they are charging to film/photo. Those parks etc were established for all of us to see/take pictures etc of. I can’t believe it’s being turned into a money making business. So many people are probably not aware of what’s going on. It’s going to be interesting seeing rangers going after 200+ visitors with TH-cam channels. We were out there in 1968. My dad would’ve freaked if this happened back then. I truly hope this changes. Breathe, small steps, one day at a time. Sending lots of positive thoughts your way. Love you Sarah!!❤️❤️❤️
I think they do that not to make the parks into a money making business, but to prevent others from making the parks into a money making business for them. And not so much for the money making itself, but for the nuisance they cause to other visitors that are there to enjoy the beauty and silence and do not want to be part of a film set. A reasonable system would somehow differentiate between youtubers that just film what they encounter, and those (youtubers and filming companies alike) that setup a movie set and perform repeated takes of setup scenes. In fact that was more like the previous ruling, but it was overturned after it was protested by one of the stakeholders.
Still commercial photography is absolutely allowed without any permit or payment, with a few exceptions. Restart the video, stop it 3 or 5 seconds in, and read the law. The law will be improved/fixed at some point, though currently one certain party wants to link it to things like privatizing more stuff to do with the parks. The current law is stupid and out of touch, but it's easy to work around via still photography (plus audio recording if you wish) at no cost or hassle. The sky is not falling. The situation is not bad enough to accept any privatization garbage being mixed in with the fix.
There are some very shady practices going on in our National parks. There is a new bill with the potential to limit access to parks, it has come to light that park reservations were artificially limited below capacity, and they’re quickly changing the regulations regarding filming. The question about exercising a fundamental right I think is very telling about the situation. The truth is that corporations are managing access to our public lands. These are for profit, publicly traded companies that are engaging in what appears to be bad behavior with the potential for much worse in the future.
I disagree; we need to rise and shine against this atrocity; there are more of us than there are of them; we can change it if we come together; but that's the problem with the world today; division. Love your vibes!
Sarah you will simply have to do what you can afford and i am sure I for one will enjoy the places you go and what you do. You are very correct when you state there are plenty of beautiful areas to see without paying fees and getting permits. I am looking forward to your adventure down the road. Best wishes and good health to you.
I hear people many times say they don't think taxes are all that high. However, add up all the little fees , levy, tariff, imposition, duty, excise, impost, assessments and we end up having much higher taxes with less freedoms. Sadly this is our future.
This is round 2 on this issue. At this point, I don't think it's likely to change. Sucks & will be keeping many of us TH-camrs out of these parks for the very reason that you state. There are many other places to visit.
Wow, that's a really tricky one! As one of the people you mention, who can't get out and explore these places in person (not least because I'm disabled and in the UK!), I'm sad you're not going to be able to share them. 😔 And I'm so sorry as it must be a right pain to have to now change all your plans. I guess I can see their point of view in wanting to charge but it seems crazy to me that a single youtuber should have to pay the same as a large film company, to be allowed to film. Feels like any charge should at least have something proportional to the scale of the channel. As you say, I hope they rethink the rules soon. ❤
One of the problems is telling them you want to "film." That is an industry term used by pro companies. Recording a video on your phone or DSLR is not filming. Unfortunately because everyone today refers to it as filming, the parks mindset is that it is the same as a production company. I went to a park to video with prosumer camera I had just purchased and I wanted to test it out and I was approached by a ranger saying that I needed a permit to "film". I informed him I wasn't filming but videotaping. There is a difference. And he didn't know the difference nor understand the industry. 3 other rangers arrived and were asking me questions as I was putting my equipment away. Q: What are you filming? A. Nothing, I'm video recording. Q: That looks like a professional camera. A: I know, pretty cool huh? But it isn't a pro camera. Q: Did you apply for a permit? A: No because I don't need one for private use. Rangers pause...pause....pause. A: a permit is not necessary for casual filming for personal enjoyment. But thanks for checking. Silence...they walk away. A person recording video while at a national park is not breaking the law. It's none of their business. A lot of times when dealing with the government, it's important to know what NOT to say , as it is to know what to say. THAT BEING SAID... I know they've since changed the regulations because of the amount of video posters online that make money. But there are easy loopholes around the ridiculousness of it all. And they won't enforce it, they'll just ask you to stop and leave. Sure they could impose a fine but that can be beat in court because: regulations requiring permits violate freedom of expression, and requiring permits and paying fees for commercial filming is “unconstitutional under the First Amendment.” If you want to take it that far.. Or you can say I'm not making any money on this, because in reality...you aren't.
Bad advice in too many ways to mention. Getting different reactions, claims, or interpretations from multiple people, including rangers, cops, security guards, property owners, or anyone else, is not shocking. This is not even an extreme example of that. If you want a fun example, ask 10 cops what to do if you see a drone zipping by 100 feet over your swimming pool every 2 minutes for a half hour. One will want to come track down the drone operator and tell them to stop, one will tell you that you're SOL because airspace is federal, one will give you a wink and nod if you ask whether birdshot might solve the problem. #1 is helpful but overstepping, #2 is useless except for being correct, #3 is leading you down the path to committing a federal felony, shooting down an aircraft. The quality, price, or professionalism of the camera has nothing to do with your right to use it for personal use in a park, except that it sure gets their attention when you show up with truly professional gear. At private venues, pro gear will often get you kicked out, especially things like sporting events and concerts. I accidentally became "that guy" who caused a venue to make stricter rules, after photographing a personal friend playing at a concert in a big casino bar with the group he was in the Rock Hall of Fame with (The Animals). Nobody bothered me at the time, but I guess casino security reviewed tapes of it later and decided no "pro photo equipment" should be allowed in the venue in the future. Oops, the 200mm f/2.0 Nikkor was too stout for them. But I digress.... In National Parks, whether it is film or video has nothing to do with it. If you think a law, court, judge, or jury in 2023 would not treat a video exactly the same as a film movie, you are wrong. Both walk like a duck and quack like a duck, so they are both ducks. The technology and nomenclature don't matter, it's what they are used for that matters. You have the same chance of weaseling out of video being considered filming, as you have of getting out of a speeding ticket because you're driving an EV, and speeding laws were written when cars all had combustion engines. For truly personal, non-commercial use, you can use a million dollar camera of any type to take film, video, photos, anything you want..., as long as it doesn't violate any rule about disturbing others, create a hazard, have too big a crew, go where you shouldn't, need an area closed off or secured, etc. You'll be scrutinized, interrogated, maybe improperly kicked out on one day out of 3, but in the end if the law is on your side, you'll eventually be allowed to do what the law allows you to do.
@@EfficientRVer And I agree. Which is why I said what I did at the end. I know the rules have changed. I would think for independent filmmakers you should pull a permit. But for personal, non commercial use...
Intentionally breaking federal law is not one of those times, especially after you start a discussion of the law and your complaints about it, online. Bad idea.
Didn't know you needed permits to fill in national parks. I think your email was very appropriate and really 6:09 what you do. 1st amendment rights- really a strange question! Wow have to do it for each national park. $300 nonrefundable application fee wow!!😮 Such a complex process! We appreciate that we are able see places you take us through your videos!!
Big business does not want to compete with small businesses. Technology has so enabled the small business world and with their unique skills, they have become competition for the larger ones, hence the big ones get the regulations they want. The regulations are clearly meant to be discriminatory. The Park service does not need the fees and regs to do their job. They are to protect the parks not sell them.
The reason the NP are requiring permits now is because some people on social media have damaged some of the parks by going in to areas that are restricted. It’s sad what some people will do for a couple of bucks. Another problem is people trashing the land resulting in the closing of public land to camping and hiking. It’s a shame all this is happening. I just don’t understand why people are so inconsiderate that they ruin a good thing for others.
What I'm seeing is the application fee and Zero dollars a day for 1 or 2 people with simple gear. So not sure if application is required at each park, but Zero dollars is affordable. Earn $300 for each park, get permit and head on in. Also , you cant sell still images or print them on things to sell without permits and fees. Just nuts. But at least if you stay small, the fees are manageable.
Well bummer!!! You did everything right and they want to charge you that much for each park, that is just nuts! I bet there's lots of folks who video and don't know about this.
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"The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable"
~Frank Zappa~
My TH-cam channel is not monetized however this is my country my National Park and I will film where the hell I want a film.
I think it is ridiculous!
The National Parks belong to us!
$300?
That's criminal!
So TH-camr's will have to get one for each National Park they want to film at?
That's insane!
This is absolute abuse of the intention of this rule. The National Parks ORIGINALLY only had permits for LARGE PRODUCTION COMPANIES, because they brought it large trucks, set up meal wagons and had lots of feet on the ground which caused a certain amount of DISTURBANCE and often damage to the area within the park.
Smaller productions were exempt, because they did not do the damage that larger productions did and smaller productions do not DISTURB the aesthetics of the park and the park EXPERIENCE. TH-camrs DO NONE OF THAT!
They don't DISTURB anything and they don't DESTROY anything. THE TELL TALE OF THIS is that if you don't monetize, you can shoot the same exact thing you would if you monetized, but if you get paid, you have to pay the park to shoot the same exact thing you were allowed to photograph had you not been monetize.
THAT MEANS IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING EXCEPT ANOTHER WAY FOR OUR GOVERNMENT TO EXPLOIT AND EXTORT MONEY FROM CITIZENS.
The only variable in the rule is if you are MONETIZED.
BEING MONETIZED DOES NOTHING TO HARM OR DAMAGE THE PARK.
Same person, sitting in the same car, taking the same photo or video as the TH-camR does not have to pay anything to use the video on their page.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY OBSCENE TO ME... ABSOLUTE ABUSE OF TAXPAYERS who already pay taxes to build and maintain the parks, then have to pay an entry fee to get into the park they paid taxes to build and maintain.
THIS NONSENSE HAS TO STOP!
$300 to LOOK at an application and another $200 or MORE to issue a permit?
THIS IS FINANCIAL RAPE as far as I am concerned.
HIGHWAY ROBBERY!
Americans should pull together and DEMAND this ABUSE BE ELIMINATED! ABSOLUTELY INSANE!
@@traceytrotter9934 NOTHING belongs to the Federal Government, they don't own a single thing. Everything they MANAGE is THE PEOPLE'S. BOUGHT WITH CITIZEN TAXES... Money that does not BELONG to the government, they are only CHARGED WITH MANAGING OUR FUNDS FOR PRIMARILY, THE #1 FUNCTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is to PROVIDE SAFETY AND SECURITY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES. Beyond that, every dime they spend is REQUIRED BY LAW to be FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES, ie; THE TAXPAYERS BY WHOM, FOR WHOM THEY LAWFULLY, LEGALLY, CONTSTITUTIONALLY ARE EMPLOYED.
@@traceytrotter9934 Republicans rock Democrats started the KKK and they wanted to continue with slavery they're also responsible for the Jim crowe laws Biden gave a eulage at a klansmans funeral he also said the guy was a Great man see for yourself.
This is the greed of the government. And it's Biden's policies. Keep an eye on Capitol Hill and you'll see the things that are going on. And the worst part of it is those three branches of the government that are supporting these evil plans
@@DIZEMANPHOTO yes I agree with you 100%. And Biden continues to tax us more with more rules and regulations, just like a dictator. I apologize I didn't mean to get political. But it's part of it. And if you thinks this is the only way to get us out of our national debt, then we need to stop spending the money. Actually wasting it by sending it to foreign countries to fight Wars that we are not or do not want to be a part of. The wolf is at the door, and we need to bar it. And hang the wolf
Big brother is getting bolder and bolder.
The censorship deleted all the answers from yesterday. This is again typical and was to be expected.
Addendum to 'PERMIT to film in National Parks' and in the context of 'big brother': Find out who you are not allowed to criticize, then you know who rules you.
Be aware of contracted vendors that operate the gift shops in National Parks asking for donations to the park. It's a scam.
So this is the freedom that servicemen have been fighting for for 200 years that I have been hearing about.
This is ridiculous and I have heard several TH-camrs reporting on this. Your report was the most thorough! I want to know what we as US citizens can do to overturn this stupid, stupid rule? Does anybody have any suggestions? I feel it's high time we start sticking up for our rights. I'm tired of all the fees and taxes. It's nothing but money grubbing.
Sarah, do not give in to those ridiculous fees, there’s plenty of other scenic places for you to go. If enough people refuse to pay for those applications, they’ll go away eventually
Are you sure about that?
It is like "if enough people refuse to pay speeding tickets, they'll go away (or the system gets overwhelmed)". Does not work that way!
... They won't go away ,, they will just increase the taxes on everyone to cover the costs ,,just like everything else ..
This is a way for the Park Service to keep people from enjoying our National Parks. discourage people from coming, gives them less work and they can hide their problems in the park if people can not take pictures of them. This doesn't cover just National Parks but all federal land everywhere, B.L.M. land, National Forest land and National Monuments, also National Recreational lands, like Lake Meade National recreational area. Everything that belongs to the federal government, It does not belong to the people anymore, it just belongs to the Federal Government .
We lose more rights everyday. 🌻👣
There are many state parks, explore some of those for us !
Please be aware that individual states may also charge commercial photographers rates and fees for state parks; Nevada does. Their daily rates range from $50 to $3,500 per day. A "class A" permit is $500 annually, which I presume is a rate that covers only basic photographic activities. Nevada has some +- 25 state parks that require payments from commercial photographers. Valley of Fire state park has its own fee schedule.
I believe Utah has a payment schedule for commercial photographers as well, per state park.
I am a pro photographer and I simply avoid state and federal parks to do my work.
I can (maybe) understand charging large groups that could have an impact on the park's resources, but you're required pay even if you take a client to a state park for an hour or so to , say, take class photos.
I and my wife are overlanders and photographers and we avoid state and federal parks... our goal is solitude, anyway.
All this boils down to is pathetic politicians perpetuating their worthless jobs.
Excuse me last I checked this is the United States of America 🇺🇸 I understand the entrance fees that helps maintain the roads and facilities but a filming fee this is way out of hand 🤬
I'm very middle-of-the-road politically but this rule is the most blatant government overreach I've heard of in my 73 years! Looks like TH-cam creators and us subscribers need to bombard our senators and representatives with emails demanding a change to this ridiculously repressive rule. I refuse to believe that whoever created this rule way back when intended it to be applied in this way. As you point out, the application itself is geared toward movie makers and commercial producers, not one person with a camera sharing their park experiences.
They dont care.. FIRST RESPONDERS URGE 9/11 INVESTIGATION SEPT 11 2019. All the proof you need. They do not care.
Good luck, Joe and the Dems need money !
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Private corporations manage National parks. They are the ones lobbying for these changes.
SO IF AN AVERAGE OF 93% CONSIDERED WILDERNESS AND ABSOLUTELY UN RECORDABLE WHAT GOOD IS THE 7 PERCENT THAT'S LEFT AS THERE'S BOUND TO BE PART OF THAT 93% IN THE BACKGROUND IT'S NOT EVEN SAFE TO DO A RECORDING OF A VISTAGE
AS YOU'RE BOUND TO GET SOME OF THAT STUFF IN THE BACKGROUND AND END UP BEING DEMONITORISED FROM TH-cam AND YOU BETTER TAKE ALL YOUR OLD STUFF DOWN 👇 BUT MIGHT POSSIBLY HAVE ANY PART OF THAT 93% AVERAGE I DON'T KNOW IF THE TH-cam MANAGEMENT IS AWARE OF THIS BUT AS SOON AS THEY ARE THE TH-cam POLICE WILL BE DOING EVERYTHING FROM THE MONITOR RISING $$$ TO PUTTING THEM IN TH-cam JAIL
They really should introduce a "permit for filming for a small TH-cam channel" that is valid for a year and all parks, and does not require all those details.
Just for "travel all over the country and doing ad-hoc filming by a single person without setting up props and otherwise altering the environment".
That should solve it for all those youtubers that are affected by this, without again causing an unequal treatment vs the commercial film studios.
or maybe just different tiers when you pay your entry fee. One price for families and vistors, one price for individual amateur filmmakers, one Amateur groups, and one for studios and businesses with over 15 employees.
@@ThatTieDyeGuy I think the issue is not that they want to receive money, and want more money from those that are filming, but they want to regulate the use of parks as film sets, via a permit system.
A permit application can be evaluated and the permit can be refused. That is what it is about.
They really did not want to do this for the individual filming a park as they travel through it, but AFAIK some stakeholder protested against unequal treatment and the court ruled that the same permit system should be in place for all commercial filming.
@@Rob2 basically what I see is happening is that some wealthy jerk got charged to make a film in a national park and then when he sees people making a living doing better films than their "professionals," they went apeshit and started demanding "equal treatment" knowing full and well the high permit fees would destroy the uppity TH-camrs and their little channels. Power and control.... or mine mine mine mine, profit profit profit..... I for one am sick and tired of it. If the wealthy people want to play a Live Action Full Contact reenactment of the french revolution, they should keep stuff like this up. Not to insight violence... right now it could go one of three ways; france 1780-1812, or Germany 1933 - onward; OR we find a third way that does not make as big of a bloody mess. Like maybe not doing shit like this to good people who want nothing more to get by and be left alone. We Get To Choose Our Own Adventure ;)>
So what's it gonna be...
I'll feign ignorance.....I fought for my freedoms here in the USA.
This is GREED to the highest degree !!! Really pisses me off that they would enforce such nonsense on You Tuber's !! Give me a freakin break !! Grateful that this country has many wonderful places to explore and you will continue to take us on your journey. You can tell us about your viisits to the parks in your live video's. No filming needed ! You are a great story teller Sarah ! We are right there with you girl....got your back ! ❤❤
It's absolutely wrong. They just wanna make money. I'm disabled and enjoy all that you show I think we need to start a petition. Crazy. Love you Sara
I also watched your video on the cabin. I pray for someday for you to have that piece of heaven on your property.
I discovered your channel through this video. That is just crazy to learn about! Time to go explore the Canadian parks ;)
Possible alternative...taking pictures (for personal use) and compiling those with added narrative.
Now, I've never done video editing, so I don't really know what kind of work is involved. I admit I don't really know what I'm asking. Was just trying to brainstorm a work-around...
Anyway, good luck, safe travels & thanks for letting me look through your eyes. 💚
And yes, I think those are ridiculous fees too.
I can't even do pictures 😒
Just use still photos instead of video. Turn it into a slideshow, or maybe pan around within each still photo like a Ken Burns film. Section 5.2 (b) as you show at just 3 seconds into this video, makes it clear that you're allowed to take and use still photos commercially with no permit required, and it also shows what the exceptions that do require a permit are (using models, sets, props; photographing places not open to the public, etc.)
Use an audio recording app rather than video recording, if you want the narration to be from while you're there taking the photos.
Until the "commercial video permit" issue gets fixed (and it will) the above is a perfectly usable workaround.
The line between what is a burst of still photos, and what is a video, is a blurry line anyway, though the feds are the wrong folks to push the envelope with on that, to make a test case. For sure, if you have to click a shutter button by hand each time a still photo is taken, you are good to go. Semi-auto vs automatic is a very good analogy to this. So don't try using the photographic equivalent of a bump stock or any other trick to speed up pushing the shutter.
Setting a camera intervalometer to automatically take a still 5 or 10 times per second would be pushing your luck. One still frame per second, you might win (due to the slow rate which could be just as easily achieved by hand) or lose in court (due to it being achieved AUTOmatically by machine).
Somewhere around 1 photo per second or slower, it's pretty clearly a series of still photos rather than a video, though I'd be careful and not present that series of stills as a time-lapse video. Some folks judge the line between still photography and video photography by whether they see movement, some by what word most people use, some judge by what word the camera maker uses, some judge by technical details (frame rate, resolution, etc), some judge by how you present the results (as in the "slide show" vs "time lapse video" presentation of exactly the same series of photos already taken.)
Just hit the shutter button once for each photo, don't present it in a way showing movement like a video, and you're good to go.
You are so right about seeing new things. We love watching new areas that we have never seen. Thank You for sharing.
They should not to charge!!! It should be free this is America and they need change policy on this
Good video. Sad you and anyone else has to go through this process. Just another “tax” we have to pay now.
I guess you’ll have to go to Canada for the summer…. And film on!
Great informative video on this idiotic mess taxpayers are already funding. Stay safe Sarah!
Sarah, not sure if this is in the comments section yet, but there is a bill moving slowly though congress which will allow free filming in national parks as long you meet certain conditions. look it up, call and e-mail your repesentive in congress, lets get this passed this year. H.R.1576 - FILM Act
National parks are public, not a public business corporation. The application's question "if you intend to claim you first ammendment rights" should be taken to the American Institute for Justice. They are on youtube. Look them up.
This is absolutely ridiculous for us small timers to go through all of that!! Good luck getting it changed though. I live in SC and will contact my state reps to see if anything can be done. Everyone else needs to do the same!! Love your spot by Sequoia, been around that area a lot!! There are many amazing places to go that aren’t in a NP!!
Anyone on TH-cam filming in National Parks is respectful of others and follows the Leave No Trace ethics. They are promoting the Parks so it's ridiculous the NPS wants to charge a permit. They should pay me for wearing that hoodie I bought with the park's name on it. I'm giving them free advertising every time I wear it and so are the TH-camr's who film there.
Wow! I never would have imagined this to be a thing in America!
When I was in Costa Maya, Mexico at the Chacchoben ruins in January, they did charge $4 for the content creators to film. I think if the National parks charged content creators a flat fee like $50 would be fair. If it's for a production company then charge the permits and fees. It's strange they are charging so much for content creators.
There are tons of hunting and fishing videos on TH-cam showing hunts on National Forests, designated Wilderness areas. I guarantee very few if any of them have permits.
I agree with this caveat. Commercial filming. You make money, you pay the piper.
You also generally can't dispersed camp on NP land. That said, the BLM or USFS land directly adjacent is usually completely free to camp or film.
I also got one year probation for having an open container at the Grand Canyon and they even impounded my truck that I was living in so be careful of national parks
Don't mess with the feds!
@@EfficientRVer Their game will be over soon. We are the 99%.
Federal law requires a permit for all commercial filming, no matter the size of the crew or the type of equipment. This includes individuals or small groups that don’t use much equipment, but generate revenue by posting footage on websites, such as TH-cam and TikTok. The PRIMARY FOCUS of the NPS, however, is on COMMERCIAL filming that has the potential to IMPACT park resources and visitors BEYOND what occurs from normal visitor use of park areas. Examples of this type of filming are productions that use substantial equipment such as sets and lighting, productions with crews that exceed 5 people, and filming in closed areas, wilderness areas, or in locations that would create conflicts with other visitors or harm sensitive resources.
I honestly don't have a problem with there being a small fee being charged to for profit businesses (which a monetized YT channel is) for using our National Parks to make money. I think the $300 is way too much!. I could see an individual You Tuber being charged that for an annual pass that gives them access to ALL national parks, but for a single park it is excessive.
All power to you Sarah ! Look fwd to seeing other beautiful non national park areas 🙌🏽
I have a permit....it's called paying my taxes....
The true permit is the 1st amendment to the Constitution of the United States
These rules are absolutely ridiculous.
All about control. Money. Etc.
It's our earth, not just one persons.
I think you nailed it when you said some people can't see these places and you want to share it. Bingo. Less money in governments pocket because they watch it for free instead of paying high entrance fees.
Control and censorship deleted all the answers from yesterday. This is again typical and was to be expected. Their game will be over soon. We are the 99%. 😂😂😂
Are my Dad's old 8mm's from the 60's Grandfathered in if I converted them and posted them ?
20 or more years ago I became disolusioned with the National Parks and have become resentful of any more of America falling under their jurisdiction. Write you congress man and woman and complain. this May we have the oportunity to vote against incumbents.
So, very SAD.. rent and purchasing homes are high up in the sky and now the National Parks. Are drowning " we the people "
15:27 I try to abide by the rules and regulations, but sometimes it's better to beg for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission if it even comes up. As you mentioned, you're a one woman TH-camr, not a Hollywood studio.
We'll stay with you and your channel with them or without them. 🤙
Found out about this months ago. Sin city outdoors had to stop filming lake Mead fishing trips.
The parks belong to the people it is not worth it to give the corrupt government be tough Sarah its not worth it
Your first mistake was to ask. It's always easier to apologize later but thank you for sharing this information.
Looks like it's time to add special effects, aircraft and a horse trailer to the jeep, that $300 fee seems like the main problem
Okay though i am shocked to the permit, it is for any *commercial* reasons only if one intends to upload the videos which in my opinion is just wrong. The government just looks at making money off anything. $300 per permit is just ridiculous. If anything the government should look at it is for free advertisement. I could see maybe $25 to $50 dollars per permit if that and even that amount would be unnecessary as the national parks are making money off everyone visiting anyhow. Sarah thank you kindly for bringing this to our attention. It simply is not worth the drama on the national parks attempt to closing our channels down. God bless you sweetie and stay safe on your travels.
I think the law/rules need adjusted for INDIVIDUALS. I agree that form seems more for major productions. In your situation, I think this calls for civil disobedience, and some letters to representatives. This also feels like being double taxed. You already get 1099's by TH-cam on monetized videos, and pay taxes on those earnings.
After doing some more research, apparently if it falls under the jurisdiction of the National Park Service, it requires a permit to film for commercial purposes. This apparently includes most (but not all) National Monuments. For example, some National Monuments relate to military history, over which apparently the National Park Service does not have jurisdiction. National forests, on the other hand, are managed by the US Forest Service, under the Department of Agriculture, and therefore (currently) do not require permits for filming.
Yes we must not record in the Kings parks, these clowns in government must go. 🤡 Take Sarah, love your videos. 👍❤️🇺🇸
The NPS purposefully makes it difficult and confusing to discourage one from filming in our National Parks.
(I fly a drone and I know that flying drones are prohibited in National and State Parks without a permit).
Since The National Park Service requires a commercial permit, one would think that you would not have to repeat the process for each of the National Parks. Are they not the jurisdictional body over all of the national parks? One blanket permit should suffice. I would not want to pay $300 for each national park I visit and want to capture video and take still photography in. There are 62 national parks! A permit for each of them would total $18,600! That would be a very expensive road trip for a traveling TH-camr sharing their adventures in them.
It is my hope that the NPS take a more reasonable position on this permit thing. It is absurd.
Thank you for sharing the process.
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Any National Park Employee has to advise us accurately on the regulations of the park--whether they agree with them or not. Unfortunately--it's obvious these regulations were created at least 50 years ago--long before there was such a thing of social media. Hopefully you bringing awareness to this issue--will start applying pressure to get these regulations updated to the current times. Unfortunately--Government often moves at a snails pace until enough attention is brought to bear on it. It's not a conspiracy. It's not Government against our Freedoms. It's more like Government still has more catching up to do. Thanks
That’s crazy ,I could understand if it included all of them but not every one
Thank you for sharing.
it costs a lot of money to maintain / operate National Parks. I see comments that the are already paid for, they aren't factoring in the annual upkeep costs.
That's going to get expensive. Wow.
That's crazy I do hope they change that soon , anyways like you said Sarah there is plenty of other scenery out there. Give little one a hug and stay safe love ya
I’m happy to hear your still going to the parks. They are totally worth it. We have been to 18 so far. Loved every second.
Most rules are to handle the extremes. If you didn't need a permit random people would set up to film anywhere that might interfere with other users. Its just because there are so many thoughtless people that we need rules.
We have gone through this same thing. It’s ridiculous that we have to pay such a big fee at each park.
I would write your Congress person and US Senators about this. This application fee for each park is insane! Just thinking of Moab with multiple oarks within 50 miles.
Another point would be, someone watched your video about a Park and says hey I'd like to visit that in person! Your video would be a free tourism ad for the Park.
My understanding is that you only need a permit to film or take still pictures if you're trying to make money off your recordings in any way, shape or form. If you are only filming for your vacation memories and your group consists of 7 or less people, you don't need a permit. My understanding is that it does NOT apply to National Forests. It does for sure apply to National Parks, I'm not sure about National Monuments. But it CAN BE much much more expensive than what you've shared. Under some conditions they will require a park ranger to monitor you and follow you around, and I believe the fee for that is like $50 per hour. Yikes.
Rather than making stuff up, or saying what your "understanding is", just pause this video 3 seconds in, and READ THE LAW. If you had done that, half the stuff you said goes out the window, and you'd know what you're talking about.
Just regarding National Parks, where it's extremely simple to figure out, you're mostly right about video, you're mostly wrong about still photos. But you're not completely right about almost anything you said.
There's nothing surprising about that. It is completely normal for uninformed people who get their info from other uninformed people, and won't stop and read the actual answer when it's put right in front of their eyes 3 seconds into a video.
@@EfficientRVer I did not "make stuff up." I qualified my statements with "my understanding" because I did READ THE LAW but it was a few months ago before my trip to a national park (whom I also called about this), and things may have changed since then. And yes, at the time the way I READ THE LAW commercial still photography required a permit. I just checked the National Park Service web site and YES, it still says "Filming & Still Photography Permits" in which it explicitly states "In most cases, a permit is not necessary for visitors engaging in casual, non-commercial still photography. There are some circumstances when a permit is needed for commercial still photography and filming." At the very minimum for Wandering Jeepsy's case, she shows a still image of herself at her location in almost every single one of her thumbnails, and as such she is therefore considered a model for her commercial publishing, and therefore the permit for still photography applies to her. Since she films herself at her location, she is again considered a model for her commercial publishing, and again there is no question the filming permit requirement also applies to her. The businesses about small groups and a park ranger sometimes following people around to monitor them at something like $50/hour (from memory) came from a phone call to the park I was visiting when I asked them about the permitting process. Is it possible that person I talked to was wrong or things have changed since then? Sure.
But FAR more importantly, nowhere does the government say you are required to be an a-hole and rain down on people who are trying to be helpful by providing their interpretation of what they know to others. People ARE allowed to be wrong or make mistakes, too, *and everyone knows that.* As such, ultimately each person is required to "READ THE LAW" before they proceed with their activity. But others sharing what they know to give each person a "heads up" for what to expect *is still a good thing.*
Shame on you for vilifying others who share what they believe to be true when trying to be helpful, even if they've made a mistake. All that can come of that is people being afraid to try to help others. That would be a terrible world. Correcting others mistakes in a respectful manner is also a good thing. We can all learn that way. Fortunately I'm old, and don't give the tiniest iota of a crap what you think, and it won't ever stop me from trying to be helpful. All you do with a post like that is show the world what a jerk you can be. I'm out. I have no more time or patience for you. If you reply, it WILL be ignored, so I suggest you save your breath.
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yes thats true must have proper permits
Wow Sarah! Are other TH-camrs paying? That seems like a lot! ❤
I can't imagine that, it is a lot compared to the income that most small youtubers would have from a day of filming...
Welcome to America where every little thing costs something👍👍👍👍
The $300 non refundable application fee is too much!
Plus cost of the actual permit. Crazy!
I'm sad you will not be able to share videos with us from the National Parks!
That's the government as Wonderhussey says! You should start a letter writing to the congressman among the You Tubers to get an exemption.
Yes! Let our legislators know what we feel on this. If no one says anything, they won’t know & it won’t likely be changed. It really doesn’t do much to complain to one another other than it gives us a chance to unload our frustration. We elected all of them, it’s our responsibility to tell them.
You Tube is a new thing? It was launched in 2005
The federal government wants a permit to film in the parks? This is the single most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time.
Little by little our betters are shoving us off of the land and into human beehives.
Omg! Absolutely insane that they are charging to film/photo. Those parks etc were established for all of us to see/take pictures etc of. I can’t believe it’s being turned into a money making business. So many people are probably not aware of what’s going on. It’s going to be interesting seeing rangers going after 200+ visitors with TH-cam channels. We were out there in 1968. My dad would’ve freaked if this happened back then. I truly hope this changes. Breathe, small steps, one day at a time. Sending lots of positive thoughts your way. Love you Sarah!!❤️❤️❤️
I think they do that not to make the parks into a money making business, but to prevent others from making the parks into a money making business for them.
And not so much for the money making itself, but for the nuisance they cause to other visitors that are there to enjoy the beauty and silence and do not want to be part of a film set.
A reasonable system would somehow differentiate between youtubers that just film what they encounter, and those (youtubers and filming companies alike) that setup a movie set and perform repeated takes of setup scenes.
In fact that was more like the previous ruling, but it was overturned after it was protested by one of the stakeholders.
Still commercial photography is absolutely allowed without any permit or payment, with a few exceptions. Restart the video, stop it 3 or 5 seconds in, and read the law.
The law will be improved/fixed at some point, though currently one certain party wants to link it to things like privatizing more stuff to do with the parks.
The current law is stupid and out of touch, but it's easy to work around via still photography (plus audio recording if you wish) at no cost or hassle. The sky is not falling. The situation is not bad enough to accept any privatization garbage being mixed in with the fix.
There are some very shady practices going on in our National parks. There is a new bill with the potential to limit access to parks, it has come to light that park reservations were artificially limited below capacity, and they’re quickly changing the regulations regarding filming.
The question about exercising a fundamental right I think is very telling about the situation.
The truth is that corporations are managing access to our public lands. These are for profit, publicly traded companies that are engaging in what appears to be bad behavior with the potential for much worse in the future.
I disagree; we need to rise and shine against this atrocity; there are more of us than there are of them; we can change it if we come together; but that's the problem with the world today; division. Love your vibes!
Sarah you will simply have to do what you can afford and i am sure I for one will enjoy the places you go and what you do. You are very correct when you state there are plenty of beautiful areas to see without paying fees and getting permits. I am looking forward to your adventure down the road. Best wishes and good health to you.
Love you keep caring on I for one love you're channel just be simple and free ❤
Who was wrong? Not who won. That'll help clear your thinking about it.
Maybe it give them a little indigestion meantime enjoy state parks ect
Just wish someone would give a solid explanation as to why. Some of our local metro parks are the same way. We can drive by and video and no problem.
Who says this country isn't for sale?
I hear people many times say they don't think taxes are all that high. However, add up all the little fees , levy, tariff, imposition, duty, excise, impost, assessments and we end up having much higher taxes with less freedoms. Sadly this is our future.
This is round 2 on this issue. At this point, I don't think it's likely to change. Sucks & will be keeping many of us TH-camrs out of these parks for the very reason that you state. There are many other places to visit.
Wow, that's a really tricky one! As one of the people you mention, who can't get out and explore these places in person (not least because I'm disabled and in the UK!), I'm sad you're not going to be able to share them. 😔 And I'm so sorry as it must be a right pain to have to now change all your plans.
I guess I can see their point of view in wanting to charge but it seems crazy to me that a single youtuber should have to pay the same as a large film company, to be allowed to film. Feels like any charge should at least have something proportional to the scale of the channel. As you say, I hope they rethink the rules soon. ❤
One of the problems is telling them you want to "film." That is an industry term used by pro companies. Recording a video on your phone or DSLR is not filming. Unfortunately because everyone today refers to it as filming, the parks mindset is that it is the same as a production company.
I went to a park to video with prosumer camera I had just purchased and I wanted to test it out and I was approached by a ranger saying that I needed a permit to "film". I informed him I wasn't filming but videotaping. There is a difference. And he didn't know the difference nor understand the industry.
3 other rangers arrived and were asking me questions as I was putting my equipment away.
Q: What are you filming? A. Nothing, I'm video recording.
Q: That looks like a professional camera. A: I know, pretty cool huh? But it isn't a pro camera.
Q: Did you apply for a permit? A: No because I don't need one for private use.
Rangers pause...pause....pause. A: a permit is not necessary for casual filming for personal enjoyment. But thanks for checking.
Silence...they walk away.
A person recording video while at a national park is not breaking the law. It's none of their business.
A lot of times when dealing with the government, it's important to know what NOT to say , as it is to know what to say.
THAT BEING SAID... I know they've since changed the regulations because of the amount of video posters online that make money. But there are easy loopholes around the ridiculousness of it all. And they won't enforce it, they'll just ask you to stop and leave. Sure they could impose a fine but that can be beat in court because: regulations requiring permits violate freedom of expression, and requiring permits and paying fees for commercial filming is “unconstitutional under the First Amendment.” If you want to take it that far..
Or you can say I'm not making any money on this, because in reality...you aren't.
Bad advice in too many ways to mention. Getting different reactions, claims, or interpretations from multiple people, including rangers, cops, security guards, property owners, or anyone else, is not shocking. This is not even an extreme example of that. If you want a fun example, ask 10 cops what to do if you see a drone zipping by 100 feet over your swimming pool every 2 minutes for a half hour. One will want to come track down the drone operator and tell them to stop, one will tell you that you're SOL because airspace is federal, one will give you a wink and nod if you ask whether birdshot might solve the problem. #1 is helpful but overstepping, #2 is useless except for being correct, #3 is leading you down the path to committing a federal felony, shooting down an aircraft.
The quality, price, or professionalism of the camera has nothing to do with your right to use it for personal use in a park, except that it sure gets their attention when you show up with truly professional gear. At private venues, pro gear will often get you kicked out, especially things like sporting events and concerts. I accidentally became "that guy" who caused a venue to make stricter rules, after photographing a personal friend playing at a concert in a big casino bar with the group he was in the Rock Hall of Fame with (The Animals). Nobody bothered me at the time, but I guess casino security reviewed tapes of it later and decided no "pro photo equipment" should be allowed in the venue in the future. Oops, the 200mm f/2.0 Nikkor was too stout for them. But I digress....
In National Parks, whether it is film or video has nothing to do with it. If you think a law, court, judge, or jury in 2023 would not treat a video exactly the same as a film movie, you are wrong. Both walk like a duck and quack like a duck, so they are both ducks. The technology and nomenclature don't matter, it's what they are used for that matters. You have the same chance of weaseling out of video being considered filming, as you have of getting out of a speeding ticket because you're driving an EV, and speeding laws were written when cars all had combustion engines.
For truly personal, non-commercial use, you can use a million dollar camera of any type to take film, video, photos, anything you want..., as long as it doesn't violate any rule about disturbing others, create a hazard, have too big a crew, go where you shouldn't, need an area closed off or secured, etc. You'll be scrutinized, interrogated, maybe improperly kicked out on one day out of 3, but in the end if the law is on your side, you'll eventually be allowed to do what the law allows you to do.
@@EfficientRVer And I agree. Which is why I said what I did at the end. I know the rules have changed. I would think for independent filmmakers you should pull a permit. But for personal, non commercial use...
The bureaucracy strikes again!
What if your TH-cam channel is not monetized? Or just filming home-movies for yourself, friends & relatives?
It is often better to seek forgiveness than to seek permission.
Intentionally breaking federal law is not one of those times, especially after you start a discussion of the law and your complaints about it, online. Bad idea.
@@EfficientRVer Exactly correct. Should have kept quiet and just got on with it like many other vloggers.. No fine on a first offence.
So if you encounter an emergency in the Park, fire, car wreck, by the time you get the permit it might be too late.
Didn't know you needed permits to fill in national parks. I think your email was very appropriate and really 6:09 what you do. 1st amendment rights- really a strange question! Wow have to do it for each national park. $300 nonrefundable application fee wow!!😮 Such a complex process! We appreciate that we are able see places you take us through your videos!!
Only if you are seeking monetary benefits. If you are filming for personal use a permit is not needed.
Big business does not want to compete with small businesses. Technology has so enabled the small business world and with their unique skills, they have become competition for the larger ones, hence the big ones get the regulations they want. The regulations are clearly meant to be discriminatory. The Park service does not need the fees and regs to do their job. They are to protect the parks not sell them.
That's insane! A permit for each park?!
The reason the NP are requiring permits now is because some people on social media have damaged some of the parks by going in to areas that are restricted. It’s sad what some people will do for a couple of bucks. Another problem is people trashing the land resulting in the closing of public land to camping and hiking. It’s a shame all this is happening. I just don’t understand why people are so inconsiderate that they ruin a good thing for others.
B S the plan is to ban the sheeple or the useless eaters from the parks all together . the elite have already picked out homesites in all the parks .
You're full of it
Hahahaha,, you work for the park's??
@@sukokino2409
Not sure what you’re getting at? I don’t work for the parks.
@@kerrischuh8000 all I'm saying no excuse for charging anybody for a permit,, no matter what,, Kerri I'm sorry I didn't know it was you,,
"public" doesn't mean what we think it means, apparently.
What I'm seeing is the application fee and Zero dollars a day for 1 or 2 people with simple gear. So not sure if application is required at each park, but Zero dollars is affordable. Earn $300 for each park, get permit and head on in. Also , you cant sell still images or print them on things to sell without permits and fees. Just nuts. But at least if you stay small, the fees are manageable.
Well bummer!!! You did everything right and they want to charge you that much for each park, that is just nuts! I bet there's lots of folks who video and don't know about this.