This makes a ton of sense from a physiology aspect. I'm a 49 year-old beer leaguer who's getting back into the crease after about 20 years, and the RVH didn't exist when I used to play. The development of a technique that can cover the post that doesn't invite hip & joint injury is great. I got a hip strain my first season back & spent the summer doing PT. I'd already decided I wasn't going to risk even learning RVH (not that beer leaguers need to). But this could give me a viable technique to keep in the tool box for post coverage. Thanks for the video!
This is awesome to see, especially how he was commenting how much better it is for joint/hip health. I actually tore my lateral meniscus cause of the RVH.
My son has been doing this for a while now. I always wondered what he was doing, as his coach never taught it, but looks like its a good thing then. Its funny that Brian mentions Tuukka, as he's my sons idol and favorite all time goalie.
Never knew this had a name for it. I’m not a super tall goalie relatively speaking so I’ve never been a huge rvh guy unless it’s a play below the goal line. I’ve always found the “panda” pretty useful to help me from not getting burned on those rvh plays.
I been already doing a version of this because I lack flexibility the difference being I still stay inside the post. The leg on post is basically below you and easy to get up. It works well for me
Very interesting. As a 44 y/o beer leaguer I don’t get practices to play around with it but will definitely go to some drop-ins and experiment with it. My only concerns are as an undersized goalie if I remain flat after transition line will I be exposing too much net? I’m 5’5” and even if I’m playing an aggressive depth and fully squared I’m exposing a a good amount over my shoulders as I have a low stance. That said, I love the step out technique as I’ve somewhat been employing a similar variation of that the past year or so; nonetheless, excited to go try a technique and see how it can fit my game.
Great content!! I can see it having some uses, especially if the shooter is starting to drive along the bottom of the circle. I do have 2 concerns: 1) If the shooter is on their off wing (RH coming down LW) then I worry that if you go “full panda” and go completely flat that it’ll open up the far side and you’ll get chipped over your shoulder. 2) As with any overlap technique, I’m always concerned with the possibility that I’ll get my heel caught on the post if I have to push to the far side - hello groin pull city! I’ll definitely at least try this, but maybe rather than going completely flat I’ll do a “half panda” and have my back leg pointing somewhere towards the bottom of the opposite circle.
Game speed I see some issues with holes in the gloves like you mentioned and as well on weird plays that may occur on the short-side post. Definitely an interesting new technique i'll be looking out for its implementation by the pros.
This is spectacular content. I have started trying to incorporate this into my own game as I'm playing a bit this summer and I already love it. Using it on the walkouts is something I haven't tried yet but I really think it's a cool concept to mess around with
I’ve always been an overlap goalie, I could never commit to VH, and use RVH religiously for deep plays. These appears to me to be a hybrid of Overlap and RVH, which is exciting to me. I know the kids I coach have a really difficult time using VH, but it was the best solution to low-angle shots…until now…?? Also I was pump to see him demonstrate the wrap-step…it’s something my body automatically does and my brain screams “Why you do dat?!!”, I know it’s right but can’t describe why. Good stuff. Thanks.
He keeps referencing the “transition line” is there a specific spot that he is referencing or is it a spot where/when a move is made? Is there a diagram?
Being slow, old and fat, having my foot outside the post will definitely prevent me from getting to the other post before a shooter. I agree that it will help the hips out a lot. Stick side Panda will be easier to cover the far side with the glove. So, maybe VH glove side, and inside the post (Rask style) Panda on the stick side for me.
I’ve always believed the RVH isn’t a great technique. It has created so many more of those short-side, over the shoulder goals than there used to be when goalies just stood up and hugged the post. I know part of the thought is that the RVH makes it easier to follow a pass across, but I’ve always believed it gives up more short-angle/dead-angle goals than it saves goals by increasing the ability to follow the play across. Plus, in the pass across scenario, the other team has to make two plays - the pass and the shot. If they’re going to go short side high on the RVH, it’s only one play - the shot.
Dustin Wolf, 2022 AHL Goalie of the Year uses this technique. He’s only 6’0 so it helps him cover the net; he also has the agility and speed to stay in position.
A lot of it is instinct. Vasi's chops is what Brodeur usually did. There are videos from 10-15 years ago on social media where he said he preferred it to more popular options back in his day.
Solide thinking but back in my Day (10 years ago) we use to Do the knee down in that situation...can Anybody Tell me why its not used anymore? Thx in advance
I’ve been doing this but I felt like this was very wrong so I try to actively Not do this. It makes sense but there’s some risks there I’m just not good at it because I always tried to Not do this. Maybe I’ll try it out more and get better at it
i bet people criticized you.. now they'll say you're just trying to copy the new trend. seems like hockey goalie school of thought is very narrow to a few norms that are proven most effective. maybe its just the case
I think I’ll be integrating this in my post play. I still rely on the VH and don’t use the RVH due to the ankle/hip strain risk. I wish the video covered the post to post play starting in panda. I can’t visualize the what you would transition out to if the play came back out along the boards to a winger from a fake out wraparound . Maybe you would go from a panda to a slide then a reset and shuffle t/ t-push?
I'm usually an early adopter of things. Looks like it can be a good tool but I think unlike VH and RVH, let's figure out the best situation to actually use it. I'm buying maybe 30% of the situation that BD is describing.
Give up more far side high spots now though....Im teaching youth goalies more VH, not RVH. So transistions from a full butterfly overlap to VH and back to overlap and then up to feet. In the case made for Panda, I believe it might have the unfortunate possibility of being a go-to way to play goal like this at every angle, not just dead angles. To evolve into the older style "one knee down" or half butterfly style (hybrid) more often is not a tried and true way to play net in this decade anymore.
I think in the panda the load on the hips is also high. The modern goal game requires professional training. Amateurs probably shouldn't adopt the techniques of professional league goalkeepers. It will keep you healthy.
I love this idea. But I would really like to see it done again more professionally: no one else on the ice creating background noise, wider angle/planned shots so we can see the “transition” he refers to, and then run the drills!! I realize you’re just covering this…but maybe you can tell him; ppl love it, show more!!
New name but doesn't sound hockey at all . but isn't anything ground breaking ,a lot of guys have been over lapping on shots left or right post when guys shot close in but they just butterfly square to the shooter and over lap one pad outside the post .
The name comes from pandas rubbing their backs on trees like the goalie is to the post here😂 i think its the flat overlap with a rvh save selection that makes it unique
I had to sign into my dormant account for this. This entire problem is solved by properly learning the dead arm one knee down or just knee down Technique. This creates so many problems and over engineers goaltending. This is snake oil don’t buy it.
The Panda is a WASTE of time. I don't know why everyone and their mother seems to be avoiding the shin lock (The "Tuuka Rask") method, but FULLY expect it to be the norm in a few years. I guess they need a few more guys to blow their hips and knees out before the common sense kicks in.
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This makes a ton of sense from a physiology aspect. I'm a 49 year-old beer leaguer who's getting back into the crease after about 20 years, and the RVH didn't exist when I used to play. The development of a technique that can cover the post that doesn't invite hip & joint injury is great. I got a hip strain my first season back & spent the summer doing PT. I'd already decided I wasn't going to risk even learning RVH (not that beer leaguers need to). But this could give me a viable technique to keep in the tool box for post coverage. Thanks for the video!
This is awesome to see, especially how he was commenting how much better it is for joint/hip health. I actually tore my lateral meniscus cause of the RVH.
My ankle sprain in juniors was because of rvh
I've done this accidentally when really tired. Seeing it thought out is really enlightening. Thank you for adding a formidable tool to my toolbox!
My son has been doing this for a while now. I always wondered what he was doing, as his coach never taught it, but looks like its a good thing then. Its funny that Brian mentions Tuukka, as he's my sons idol and favorite all time goalie.
100% learned that from watching Rask, I started playing the puck more watching Brodeur growing up
Never knew this had a name for it. I’m not a super tall goalie relatively speaking so I’ve never been a huge rvh guy unless it’s a play below the goal line. I’ve always found the “panda” pretty useful to help me from not getting burned on those rvh plays.
I been already doing a version of this because I lack flexibility the difference being I still stay inside the post. The leg on post is basically below you and easy to get up. It works well for me
Very interesting. As a 44 y/o beer leaguer I don’t get practices to play around with it but will definitely go to some drop-ins and experiment with it. My only concerns are as an undersized goalie if I remain flat after transition line will I be exposing too much net? I’m 5’5” and even if I’m playing an aggressive depth and fully squared I’m exposing a a good amount over my shoulders as I have a low stance. That said, I love the step out technique as I’ve somewhat been employing a similar variation of that the past year or so; nonetheless, excited to go try a technique and see how it can fit my game.
Igor implemented this so smoothly into his game. Surprised we didn’t talk about him more at GGR
Great content!!
I can see it having some uses, especially if the shooter is starting to drive along the bottom of the circle. I do have 2 concerns:
1) If the shooter is on their off wing (RH coming down LW) then I worry that if you go “full panda” and go completely flat that it’ll open up the far side and you’ll get chipped over your shoulder.
2) As with any overlap technique, I’m always concerned with the possibility that I’ll get my heel caught on the post if I have to push to the far side - hello groin pull city!
I’ll definitely at least try this, but maybe rather than going completely flat I’ll do a “half panda” and have my back leg pointing somewhere towards the bottom of the opposite circle.
This is phenomenal. I'm definitely going to give this a try. Thanks for sharing Kasimir!
Ryan Miller (I'm 99% sure it was Miller), years ago mentioned he'd slightly square up towards the corner to keep the rebounds towards the boards.
Amazing videos u have been posting lately love to see these new techniques that i can implement into my game.
Very informative! Thank you!
Great stuff! Thanks for sharing
I played in an era when the puck was the biggest threat to your safety ,nowadays it seems the technique is the biggest danger.
Game speed I see some issues with holes in the gloves like you mentioned and as well on weird plays that may occur on the short-side post. Definitely an interesting new technique i'll be looking out for its implementation by the pros.
I think the transition when player goes behind the net is a tricky one if tries to bank it off the back
@@KasimirKaskisuoOfficial Thats certainly concerning, like us goalies the players are always improving too. Keep up the great videos!
This is spectacular content. I have started trying to incorporate this into my own game as I'm playing a bit this summer and I already love it. Using it on the walkouts is something I haven't tried yet but I really think it's a cool concept to mess around with
I’ve always been an overlap goalie, I could never commit to VH, and use RVH religiously for deep plays. These appears to me to be a hybrid of Overlap and RVH, which is exciting to me. I know the kids I coach have a really difficult time using VH, but it was the best solution to low-angle shots…until now…??
Also I was pump to see him demonstrate the wrap-step…it’s something my body automatically does and my brain screams “Why you do dat?!!”, I know it’s right but can’t describe why.
Good stuff. Thanks.
He keeps referencing the “transition line” is there a specific spot that he is referencing or is it a spot where/when a move is made? Is there a diagram?
Id say its around where bottom of the circle is, the area where goalies normally go from feet to rvh
Post to top hashmark board side of circle, draw a line between
Being slow, old and fat, having my foot outside the post will definitely prevent me from getting to the other post before a shooter. I agree that it will help the hips out a lot. Stick side Panda will be easier to cover the far side with the glove. So, maybe VH glove side, and inside the post (Rask style) Panda on the stick side for me.
Great video and I'm thankful for sharing it.
I’ve always believed the RVH isn’t a great technique. It has created so many more of those short-side, over the shoulder goals than there used to be when goalies just stood up and hugged the post. I know part of the thought is that the RVH makes it easier to follow a pass across, but I’ve always believed it gives up more short-angle/dead-angle goals than it saves goals by increasing the ability to follow the play across. Plus, in the pass across scenario, the other team has to make two plays - the pass and the shot. If they’re going to go short side high on the RVH, it’s only one play - the shot.
Tokarski ahead of the times. Saw him doing this when he played for Buffalo.
so how do you move for a pass to the high slot?
Dustin Wolf, 2022 AHL Goalie of the Year uses this technique. He’s only 6’0 so it helps him cover the net; he also has the agility and speed to stay in position.
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Thank you for the video. What do you think of this technique after the season? Have you used it? Interested in a new video about it.
I’ll definitely be playing around with it when I’m on the ice and also with my goalies I coach.
A lot of it is instinct.
Vasi's chops is what Brodeur usually did. There are videos from 10-15 years ago on social media where he said he preferred it to more popular options back in his day.
Hey Kasimir! I’m really enjoying the vids. Side question: what chest protector do you use?
Solide thinking but back in my Day (10 years ago) we use to Do the knee down in that situation...can Anybody Tell me why its not used anymore? Thx in advance
I’ve been doing this but I felt like this was very wrong so I try to actively Not do this. It makes sense but there’s some risks there I’m just not good at it because I always tried to Not do this. Maybe I’ll try it out more and get better at it
PANDA, PANDA, PANDA!
That is All I hear when I hear about this new ‘technique’ 🎶🎵 🤣🤣🤣
I have been doing this for years. Never even realized I was doing it. Now it's been given a name.
i bet people criticized you.. now they'll say you're just trying to copy the new trend.
seems like hockey goalie school of thought is very narrow to a few norms that are proven most effective. maybe its just the case
I think I’ll be integrating this in my post play. I still rely on the VH and don’t use the RVH due to the ankle/hip strain risk.
I wish the video covered the post to post play starting in panda. I can’t visualize the what you would transition out to if the play came back out along the boards to a winger from a fake out wraparound . Maybe you would go from a panda to a slide then a reset and shuffle t/ t-push?
Would you use the Panda technique on a dead or bad angle walk?
Great content, can you by chance make a video on how your glove gets broken in
Mine come game-ready, i love the feeling of new gloves
Oh ok thanks so much! Stay safe.
RVH messed up my ankles - this looks like something that could help goalies stay healthy too.
I'm usually an early adopter of things. Looks like it can be a good tool but I think unlike VH and RVH, let's figure out the best situation to actually use it. I'm buying maybe 30% of the situation that BD is describing.
The PANDA 🐼
I would hate to have my skate outside of the post, and thinking of pushing off like that.
Is that vasy?
Curtis McElhinney is who he is because clearly vasy would not be there when he is training with his team for the SCF
Got a lot of my skills from watching you
Give up more far side high spots now though....Im teaching youth goalies more VH, not RVH. So transistions from a full butterfly overlap to VH and back to overlap and then up to feet. In the case made for Panda, I believe it might have the unfortunate possibility of being a go-to way to play goal like this at every angle, not just dead angles. To evolve into the older style "one knee down" or half butterfly style (hybrid) more often is not a tried and true way to play net in this decade anymore.
Why is is called the panda?
From a coach: because the goalie has their back and butt on the post like a panda scratching on a tree😅
I’m 5’5 I just try to play like hasek lol whatever stops the puck
I do that in my channel, i think my hips is good
RVH is starting to kill my hips and at 43 yrs old it's time to start trying things like this or my goalie days are numbered.
I think in the panda the load on the hips is also high. The modern goal game requires professional training. Amateurs probably shouldn't adopt the techniques of professional league goalkeepers. It will keep you healthy.
I see a lot of smaller goalies getting bank in of the head goals
It's happened to every size of goalie.
I love this idea. But I would really like to see it done again more professionally: no one else on the ice creating background noise, wider angle/planned shots so we can see the “transition” he refers to, and then run the drills!!
I realize you’re just covering this…but maybe you can tell him; ppl love it, show more!!
Let’s go
New name but doesn't sound hockey at all . but isn't anything ground breaking ,a lot of guys have been over lapping on shots left or right post when guys shot close in but they just butterfly square to the shooter and over lap one pad outside the post .
The name comes from pandas rubbing their backs on trees like the goalie is to the post here😂 i think its the flat overlap with a rvh save selection that makes it unique
why this is called "PANDA"?
you look like justin bieber
Can we stop calling it the PANDA? RVH Overlap is more descriptive.
I had to sign into my dormant account for this. This entire problem is solved by properly learning the dead arm one knee down or just knee down Technique. This creates so many problems and over engineers goaltending. This is snake oil don’t buy it.
Personally, your just covering negative space and overall I don’t think it’s effective, just stay on your feet and don’t sit on your post
The Panda is a WASTE of time. I don't know why everyone and their mother seems to be avoiding the shin lock (The "Tuuka Rask") method, but FULLY expect it to be the norm in a few years. I guess they need a few more guys to blow their hips and knees out before the common sense kicks in.
That's some bullshit
Not a fan. Guys will bank it off the goalies ass in no time behind the net