Creepy joe How does green gas mod compare to duster gas stock TM, also I think if the test was done with duster gas for the TM it may have been more efficient
tm is the shit. operates at cold temperature, very accurate even for AEG standard, cerakoted receivers for eye candy. wait until someone makes steel replacement parts to take this to another level, then it won't even be a 50-50 with the GHK-even within the restrictions from Japanese laws it's already a tie-from my pov leaning pretty heavily to the TM side.
TM is shooting at 100mps using 0.3g bb and green gas, and about 110mps using 0.2g bb, which suits Hong Kong quite well It is hard to actually compare TM m4 gbb with other brands on the market. TM is totally giving up realistic internal to enhance durability and gas efficiency, while still providing the realistic operation (eg. the first m4 gbb with working forward assist function), and acceptable external looking(the receiver coating, at least). If you want to have a gbb m4 to shoot someone in wargame without having to modify something, go for TM If you are collecting one as a model, TM may not be a good choice
I couldn't have put it better myself, although not for lack of trying ;-) While my impression has changed somewhat after recently picking up another GHK M4 (MOD1), I still firmly believe that they both represent the best in GBB M4 platforms. Therefore anyone on the crossroads of which one to choose, one could boil it all down to your last paragraph.
+OasisHo Ho For both rifles I used Propane and the TM M4 magazines in the standard configuration can only accept roughly 5-6 seconds fill of gas before its full. Modified for green gas (internal silver tube removed) it can accept up to 20 seconds before its full. The GHK magazine had the same second input as stated by the manufacturer specifications.
aRANDOMqUICKIE You'll have to excuse the hyperbole in my original post, I love my WE. It breaks down from time to time and GHK owners try giving me shit but I've had it almost 3 years and I doubt any gas rifle would last as long as that without breaking down. And the fact is, whilst yeah they may go down more often than AEGs, they're so much easier to fix.
Being a GBB gamer in Hong Kong I don't think the mags is the most important to concern. Since the area to play wargame in Hong Kong is limited and small. There is no necessary to bring too many mags. Two to three mags is totally enough to close your enemies. In a shorten distance, using a pistol is more useful than using a rifle. So, I the accuracy is the most importance as it determines how many enemies you can tackle before having the CQB combat.
Nice video, one of the very few that compares between the TM and GHK M4s. But I still can't decide which to get especially after watching your GHK Mod 1 review. The gbbr is more of a collector's item for me and will not be used for games, and in this aspect the GHK's more realistic internals and sheer amount of steel parts seem to give it the edge, but man I do love the cerakote finishing on the TM, and then of course there's TM's reputation for quality and its supposedly wonderful hop up for backyard plinking. If I leave both guns absolutely stock, which would you recommend in terms of:1. realism, both externally and internally2. out of the box performance and accuracy3. long term longevity of partsThanks so much!
+Liang Weihao If its a rifle which would suit your need as a collector more than skirmish rifle, I recommend the GHK. The internals for example are far more realistic than those on the TM. The feel of the action also is very authentic, right down to pulling back on the charging handle and feeling the bolt carrier slide over the hammer. Definitely wins in that department over the TM. The TM while unrealistic under the hood, provides a slick and fast reciprocation and in terms of actually getting a bb to hit the target it just about takes the lead over the GHK. Of course easily matched with upgrades but as you stated, absolutely stock. GHK offers blank receivers also, so if you were to pick up one, you could have your own choice of trades applied and cerakote if you wish. (Yeah it would be expensive in the long run, but how awesome would it be when finished!) Longevity wise, they both do just fine. User reports from both systems are very positive.
Great Video, just subbed. I have decided to jump into the world of GBBR and recently asked which would be a better choice between the GHK and TM MWS. I was sent a link to this video. Some great tests that answered some of the questions I had. A really good comparison video.
+David TS41 Thanks for the support! The choice is made even more difficult with the recent introduction of the Version 2 GHK M4. It has a few improvements and is supplied with their next gen magazine, which is lighter. Whatever you choose, GHK or TM, you can’t lose! They are both great at what they do. I’m working on making a follow up video featuring these two.
BadaBingPictures yeah I know. I am leaning more towards the TM based on this video and the magazine mod, however a lot of guys I attend games with all run GHK, so if I had any issues with a GHK I'd have on hand tech guys to help where as I'd have to go source help for a TM. So, still a lot of decision making to do. But I'll wait until your new comparison vid comes out and see if that helps any.
+David TS41 The beauty of GBBR’s is if you experience any issues, the internals are quite easy to work on. That and both communities are very helpful on FB groups. See if you can get to a shop where they’re sold and try them out.
BadaBing, sorry if I'm reviving a really old video but what's your honest view now? I'm after a gbbr for milsim use so reloading/re-gasing is not that big an issue for me (I'm ignoring any mods to mags) and I just want something to take out the box and shoot. I'm just wanting your honest, current opinion on which of these 2 would be better (I've discard the hk416a5, even though I love the look of it)
Hey You’re right, it is an old video! I have a part 2 video on the horizon that will feature the newest generation GHK M4. I’ve got a few videos coming up before that one will be finished, though. In this video I was leaning towards the Marui M4 but with the latest version 2 GHK, the choice is even more difficult! Unstoppable force vs the immovable object. Until the new comparison comes out you can check out my recent videos featuring these two. They’ll give you a break down of pros and cons, hopefully one of the two would match up with your requirements. In regards to the green gas mod for the Marui, yes most people adopt the method, but others run them as they come and do just fine.
Sadly not for a while. I’ve been very lucky to have had companies sending me things to review and most of my time has been taken up by producing those videos. The only downside to that is I have little time to focus on my own projects. Rest assured it *is* coming and I want to see it completed and online as much as you guys.
I have the TM m4 and have been running it on propane for over 2000 rounds and I've already had two failures. One was the buffer, the other was the nozzle spring. I think I'm going to buy a GHK and run that until there are some aftermarket parts for the MWS that can handle propane.
That sucks man, these things happen. When they released their MP7, many nozzles started to crack when running on propane. Some broke after the first magazine, others went after several thousand bbs, like mine and I've heard there's a few still out there running on completely original parts. Wasn't long till polycarbonate nozzles came out and its still going strong today. It'll get there. Out of interest, what happened to the buffer? The GHK is a fine GBBR no doubt about that, if you've got the dough go for it!
I wouldn't own one myself (not my cup of tea) But from what I've read and videos on here that I've seen, it's certainly a decent alternative option to the mainstream AR GBBR's, with a vast network of spares and some aftermarket upgrades/support available too. Also an added bonus that they make pmags/emags along with the LM4 stanags so that's cool. And I quite like KWA products.
Mr. Bing, would you say its possible to run the ghk under 350fps on co2 all year round using the low power nozzle. Additionally how do you replace the nozzle as I believe them to be around 400fps on import, is it as easy as un clipping that circlip at the back of the bolt carrier and sliding out or is it more involved? I,m afraid i'm a bit of a skinflint when it comes to mags that are £55 - £60 each and I don't want to buy 12... Once again thanks a lot - I've passed The heresey group onto you as he had questions about the TM MTR 16 which I believe you've reviewed.
Mr Mills, welcome back. Cool, thanks. I'm no expert but I'll give it a go if any questions come of it. Absolutely. Recently my stock GHK 14" had a runaway fps of about 420 this summer, and that was on a Low Powered nozzle. It was 310-320 during mild-cold weather. But you can use various methods to regulate the speed. 1. Open up the nozzle and either shim the back, or remove coils off the floating valve spring. This is quite invasive and involves using a hot air gun to melt the glue that holds the nozzle halves together. 2. Drill and tap a thread into the side of the nozzle which can utilise a grub screw to reduce the gas flow. FG Airsoft made these but supplies may be drying up as he's giving up that business. 3. Replace inner barrel. You can use a shorter length inner barrel and this will naturally reduce the fps. If you use a widebore barrel this will reduce it a little more. I've got plans to use an Orga 6.23 in my GHK to help kill off the fps without resorting to messing around with adjustable nozzles. I tried this tactic in my friends MOD 1 and his doesn't fire over site limits, even in summer. He uses it in conjunction with an adjustable nozzle, so he doesn't have to restrict the gas flow too much. There may be other methods but this is what's come to mind.
@@BadaBingPictures Thanks for the rapid reply again, as you can tell I'm doing my homework long before I spring the green on any platform and basically I'm after a solid investment that will perform all year round. The Tm HK45 tac in placcy looks like it will fit the bill and like I say a GHK m4 and it looks like propane for most of the year and nuprol black gas if I get stuck now after this advice as I don't rate my chances hacking open nozzles (video opportunity). Once again thanks very much, your definitely the best resource for this kind of thing. You really must contact these companies and start your own web shop aka recon brothers as you do have a niche market here... Just sayin'.....
I don't rate my chances of success with opening up a nozzle. I think I'd rather throw in £50 for a shorter wide bore inner barrel to tame the FPS. The rifle and pistol sounds like a winning combination to me. Nuprol Black gas didn't really impress me for winter skirmishing. It felt like a strong green gas. Guard Power Up gas, on the other hand...Its not quite Co2 but its definitely canned heat! Its quite easy to remove the nozzle. Just remove the side nozzle guide and the C Clip. Although that C clip can be annoying to get back onto the spring guide. so have fun with that ;-) I'd like to do something like this but I'm so busy with my regular job. Hectic shifts that span across days/nights. Never close, open 7 days a week. Having said that, I have been in contact with a couple of new retailers that might be hooking me up with products to review. We'll see..
@@Gchang54 more like Porsches. They're reliable, have great performance, and great credibility. They're just complex and full of small parts that are a pain to fix.
At the moment, I have all the proper M4 GBBRs : MWS,GHK and VFC. All I can tell is that you're making a mistake by choosing one of these, since they're all lovely with their own personal pros, and there is nothing wrong with having them all at once if you got the coin :D . I honestly can't pick the very best one.
@@jordanrial166 here comes the "real gun" dude, why do you come to airsoft videos to comment toy shit? You know were you are, if this is too childish for you go get shot by your friends with some 5.56 and then come back here to comment the big man you are... this is the kind of ppl who buys the biggest car in the market to compensate things
Hi, There are no external differences. Although in 2018/19 they upgraded the surface coating of the receivers. Check out my review and you can see the differences between the V1 and V2 M4’s. @4mins 42sec th-cam.com/video/KJtNuD8CkeI/w-d-xo.html
About the mags. Which is why the GHK will win IMO. The ghk can use CO2 mags which are lighter than the standard gas mags. CO2 also gives the gun a louder harder kick as well as a boost to the rof. Not to mention aftermarket parts for the GHK means it has the capacity for new replacement parts and upgrades down the line.
Agreed. That's a plus on GHK's side. Versatility. Capability of using GHK's very own C02 magazines/ DH mod, to achieve absolute top performance. But then TM's absolute top performance only requires a humble can of propane. However TM's not as fun to shoot as a GHK running the hot stuff. Nowadays both platforms have a vast amount of aftermarket support.
GHK - Way better aftermarket (price AND assortment wise), CO2 option is there. Marui - Realy good out of the box. Aftermarket is *meh* (less options, more expensive)
Hello, after 6 years (and nev v2 ghk) what do you recommend for every week shooting? Price doesnt matter for me. Looking for ar gbbr which can withstand gampleay with aegs and hpa as close as possible :)
TM is the one you want. GHK, for all the nice realism that it gives you, is overpriced and has horrendous QC. TM is the ultimate gun to compete against AEG and HPA users. Use the best bbs you can afford and it’ll do the rest.
Maybe swap out the bucking to help kick out those rounds. The stock one is too soft for heavier bbs. Search SixG gunsmithing. They make a brass nub which works wonders for long range.
I still stand by my decision. The Tokyo Marui M4 MWS is the better option than the GHK M4......VERSION 1. Their Version 2, however. Catch me on separate days and my opinions will be different. That’s how close these two come.
Is it ok? using green gas with TM mws m4? Some people think TM which is made in Japan weak against green gas, in japan B.B. gun have to be made weaker then steel that is why.. How do you think about that? By the way, I have a TM mws m4
Hi, I have used Green Gas/Propane in my TM MWS since this was released and it has worked just fine. Great in fact! After a year or so, the nozzle spring broke. But that was because the bolt carrier fires too quickly and the original spring wasn’t designed for that kind of speed. It was no big deal as the upgraded spring set is cheap and easy to fit.
I Have the GHK Colt Licensed M4A1 SOPMOD Block 2 rifle and I can't get thru a single magazine without a bb getting hung up and causing all the gas to suddenly vent from the mag. It's awesome when it actually works, but I have no idea whats wrong with it.
You may have a hairline crack in your magazine feedlips and it could be chambering 2 bbs at the same time. This could lead to the carrier being out of battery and when you pull the trigger the gas won't be channelled through the nozzle properly and it'll vent. This is likely the case. Check your magazines. GHK produce feedlips which are quite narrow and they can crack or break all together. A common mod is to lightly file away the inner walls. Continued shooting in this condition can eventually crack your plastic hop up chamber, so beware!
that tm on full auto holy shit. someone made a really good observation about the TM. something that helped open my eyes to how tm once again reinvented the game. the statement was (paraphrasing of course) that its designed not to completely emulate a real steel m4 to a T on purpose. rather its designed to preform well as an airsoft gun. its really that simple. *shrugs shoulders* thoughts?
I agree, they didn't make it as real as it could be, but to make it as good as it can be. If their GBBR Zet system continues to be as good as it is, then they have the formula to base an entire GBBR line from, with the number one priority being reliability. So long as it's with 134a/144a lol. As also reportedly it has better gas efficiency with that stuff too. (However temperature must be favourable of course).
Certainly. Guns Modify and G&P (maybe some others) make upgraded hammer triggers sets that outperform the original. In regards to the total weight, I'm not sure at this time. Check out my HK416A5 versus videos because I have a data card at the beginning.
How would you compare the MWS with GHK m4 nowadays? with the UAC and angrygun released their upgrades, it should increased the performance and the cycling is it faster and better on the MWS or the GHK?
+Rozan Roif Since my recent purchase of another GHK M4 (review up btw), I can say that the GHK has made it even more difficult to choose one or the other. Both systems advantages balance out so well, it's actually quite annoying. For sure the cyclic rate on the MWS is slightly better. Throw the MWS buffer & spring inside the GHK and it's essentially the TM MWS with realistic internals. (Although due to the shape of the buffer face it's not technically compatible with the GHK bolt) I'll let you all know regarding the UAC upgrades very soon! Ultra lightweight Bolt Carrier on the way!
There are a couple things that totally invalidate your gas efficiency test. Firstly, you did not do the "green gas mod" to the TM mag. TM mags have a metering feature to prevent over/under filling. This is why TM mags "leak" while filling. For this mod, you remove the tube in the mag that gives it this feature, and this allows the TM mags to hold almost triple the amount of liquid gas. Point being, the stock TM mags inherently cannot hold as much liquid gas as a GHK mag. Secondly, you didn't show how long you filled each mag, though doesn't really matter for the unmodded TM mag since its metered. But for the GHK, it can make an enormous difference. For a test like this to be valid, You'd need to weigh each mag and account for the difference in mag shell weight to ensure they are filled with the same volume of liquid propane. I would bet if you went back and did a test like this, you'd find the TM to be superior. There are videos of overfilled TM mags cycling well over 100 times. BUT this test, even if done right, can be misleading. When it comes down to it, you'd never actually want to fill the mags for either platform to the point where they can fire this many times. Overfilling mags to this point causes performance issues, mainly on full auto because the level of the liquid gas in the mag is too high and the liquid gets siphoned out, which is why you see clouds of gas sometimes. This causes the cool-down effect to happen much more rapidly, which results in very poor performance. Fact is, both platforms, with properly filled mags, perform about the same efficiency wise. Both get through the entire mag and lock back, whether on semi or full. I own both platforms. GHK mags like to be filled between 6-8 seconds. My TM mags perform best when filled for 8-10 seconds.
Hi Alex Absolutely right. There are lots of things I could have included within the video and I hope to feature these in the follow-up when I account for the Version2 GHK. Bear in mind this is a very old video now. There are many things I know now that I didn’t when I made this way back in 2015. These days some people don’t usually bother with the GG mod. Apparently the refinements TM have introduced over time kind of make the modification redundant. I have no first hand experience of this though. Nor the spare funds to buy another TM to feed my curiosity.
+chazbox1987 Thanks for watching! Funnily enough I have been working on a part 2. Also GHK are releasing their version 2.0 M4 soon. Hmmm I wonder if it's worth investing in...?
+신재호 Yeah this is kind of outdated now, I have recently bought another GHK M4. The one in this video was a earlier batch. I have a review of my new GHK here: th-cam.com/video/xIU7SaUKsX4/w-d-xo.html
Well, this video is super old! The simple passage of time has proven the Marui to be the superior choice. GHK’s quality control over the last few years has taken a nose dive. Casting flaws, sub-par materials, finishing and to this day it still has its infamously narrow magazine feedlips - the list goes on. Honestly, you’ll likely have a better platform in the latest VFC Knights SR-16 E3 Mod 2 or VFC BCM MCMR. Those have the most up-to-date improvements. That is if you want a realistic AR pattern that isn’t the Marui M4 system. Failing that…just buy the Marui 😂
Hey buddy i have one question to ask you which sould i go for the VIPER TECH stock buffer or the VIPER TECH Direct Impact CNC buffer for my ghk m4 ??????
I'm not sure to be honest. I only replaced the stock spring for the Viper Tech spring. I kept the stock buffer. Are you looking for a heavier recoil setup?
+BadaBingPictures yes i was thinking because the of the spring and buffer set aslo the offer a CNC buffer as well just want to know if its worth getting both and which buffer was better the stock VT of the CNC one??
Hmm. If you're running C02 mags or DH modded gg mags then either option would be cool. All I can say is that it gets very thirsty when you start using stiffer springs etc.. That's why I went back to using the stock internals as with the cold weather on propane, it was able to cope that bit better.
+Reborndragon If it were my money I'd choose GHK every time. Having the full sized bolt reciprocating into your shoulder and lock open on empty is just awesome. Also because the action of the Tippmann is obviously more toy like. Using green gas is fine but performance would decrease during colder weather, although the great thing about GHK is that C02 magazines are available and would maintain the best performance possible all year round. For regular green gas usage: I use propane and refill smaller cans from larger tanks and this significantly reduces running costs to pennies. If I'm out during the winter I'll pick up Black Gas to reduce the effects of the cold. You could use a similar method for C02 and devil hunter mod C02 magazines so that you can refill them with C02 from a larger tank, which is another great fuel solution and cheaper than buying the capsules.
+Reborndragon It all depends on you, your local field fps rules and of course your regions climate. In my experience the consistency between green gas and C02 is marginal. Sure C02 has better resistance to cooldown, especially in winter, but in mild to hot weather the consistency remains stable between the two fuels. C02 giving you an increased snap over green gas.
For this video for the looks, I would pick the TM. But as for the gas efficiency and the BB's, I'd pick up the GHK. But since this is an older video and it's the version 1 of GHK, I would say you should make a review of the Marui M4A1 and the GHK M4 v2. See which one is better now. For me personally, I am currently in the market for one of those M4's and I was nearly setting for the GHK v2, but the TM looks accurate and good aswell. And I am not particually a TM fanboy :P, I just like products that have good quality and therefore if GHK v2 is better, I'd pick that one up. If not, I'll go for the TM. Could you make a video of the GHK v2 and the TM?
This is a very old video, has my opinion changed with the V2 GHK? Yes it has but only personal preferences as opposed to a comparison of individual merits. The TM M4 you see in this video does not represent what they’re like nowadays. Marui have made slight changes along the way. My magazines were from the first batch and they struggled to swallow enough green gas to cycle the rifle to a positive lock up. This was especially true in rapid fire or cold weather. I needed to perform the Green Gas Mod (GGM) to enable more room for gas. This increased the total gas capacity and ensured it had enough puff to run off an entire magazine with dependable bolt lock. Disadvantage-wise it’s too easy to overfill with gas. These days you don’t need to do this. But it’s still an option depending on users preference. GHK have fallen from grace over the past couple of years. Their QC has taken a nose dive, sadly. Flaws in manufacturing have gotten through the cracks and there are a fair few users which addressed their concerns on various Facebook groups. However if you get a well made GHK, they’re great. Although I think TM have dominance in the M4 GBB market. They’re the best out of the box M4’s out there. I’d like to make another versus video but I have loads of other videos to work through and they’re a higher priority.
@@BadaBingPictures I understand. :) Atleast I appreciate the honest anwser you've given me. I am still doubting though and I would still like to go for the GHK v2 simply because I can either go for GBB or for CO2, that what the TM can't. Otherwise I would've taken the TM. If the TM can do CO2 and GBB with their latest versions, I would go for the TM straight away!
The TM will not be able to withstand CO2. It’s designed to be used on 144a/duster gas and CO2 is at a level 2 or 3 times stronger. The magazines will likely blow apart or pop the valves. If you absolutely must use that type of gas, GHK all the way. Look into the devil hunter modification. Reinforces their regular green gas magazines with CO2 type valves and you can charge it using a CO2 paintball bottle or soda stream can just like regular green gas. Far superior to the little 12g capsules.
Jams with GHK m4 are usually caused by running soft bbs. GHK m4 requires high quality hard bbs. Also file your feedlips. Join the facebook GHK M4 and Samoon groups for more help
Whereas the Tokyo Marui's proprietary internals are very much quick and efficient, and the fact that TM Cerakotes their receivers is pretty amazing - keep in mind that the MWS is operating at velocities within Japanese legality, and there are currently no parts to increase said muzzle velocity. The facts are that we have no idea how the MWS will perform at the level of large events within the United States should someone even release the necessary components - even to the point of competing with the GHK M4 or LM4.
+TheFatAssCat We are seeing more parts now than at the time of this comment, however we still have lots of ground to cover. Looks promising, but we aren't there yet.
In terms of reliability they are about the same. Although I'm still waiting for more magazines so I can thoroughly confirm TM's reliability. TM's efficiency can be increased when using propane by removing the hollow tube from inside the magazine. So that kind of evens it out.
What's the size of the gas reservoirs in the magazines? The weight difference between the two leads me to believe the GHK might have a bigger reservoir in it. If that's the case it's not really fair to claim the GHK is more gas efficient, since it might actually use more gas per BB but just has a bigger reservoir so it looks like it is more efficient. Still a good comparison video, and I'm very tempted to buy the Tokyo Marui.
Thanks! The thing is with the TM magazine and why it lacks in its efficiency, all boils down to the silver tube that is attached to the fill valve inside the magazine. It restricts the amount of gas (I use propane) that can be filled in the magazine. So it's full after about 10 seconds (typical TM mag indication of full, when gas spews out of the fill valve). With the silver tube removed, this allows more gas to enter the magazine and can be charged up to 30 seconds. This greatly increases its efficiency on par with GHK. So for anyone wishing to use green gas or similar propellant, this is THE number 1 mod that should be performed. And it's quick and easy.
Thanks for the quick response! Good to know that there are mods that allow more gas to be charged in the TM one. However, and please excuse my nitpicking, you still can't know for certain which one is more gas efficient since you don't know how much gas each magazine actually holds. You can say both guns can now fire 70 BB's on one refill, but this doesn't mean they are equally efficient, since the refills can use different amounts of gas, meaning in the long run one gun will use up more bottles of propane than the other for the same amount of BB's shot. In the end this is all very arbitrary though, and I'm sure the differences are neglible.
No worries. Well on my scales with propane: Empty Standard magazine 465g Full Standard magazine 471g Empty Green gas Modified magazine 460g Full Green Gas Modified magazine 485g Now I don't have a GHK M4 anymore but here's some stats I have found. Empty GHK Mag 657g Full GHK Mag 671g Hope this helps
+Felix Chan I don't have that particular style loader, but I do have a King Arms 200rd speed loaded with a similar pistol magazine loader adapter. That works with the Marui M4 MWS Magazine.
Either one would be a fine choice. TM has better aftermarket support, excellent quality control (Japanese is always the best), brilliant out of the box accuracy and all wrapped in a reliable and stable GBB platform. GHK being more realistic and durable. Gas efficient magazines and a good spare parts support. The recoil is slightly heavier too. I could go on all day, theres a lot to unwrap here.
@@BadaBingPictures it's hard to hear in the video. I know the sound of MWS and think it sounds ok and so my own WE PDW which probably also sounds more metallic but which one sounds best I do not really know, different I would say. So now I'm curious about that GHK. I want my WE replaced with something that works every time, but it's hard enough to decide, have one more month before a big milsim game where I have to use it :)
+swatti87 To be fair they're about the same. Gas and weather dependant. On a cold day the Marui will deplete its gas tank with maybe a bb or two left over. But with the green gas mod (increases the volume inside its mag) it'll be ok to complete the magazine but slow towards the end. GHK would probably do it but last few shots will be slower.
I'd honestly rather have the GHK it's more realistic. I'm just getting into airsoft but I'm very familiar with real firearms and real AR's, I'm genuinely surprised how similar it is to the real thing. Seems like the best AR platform airsoft rifle in any price range. Looks better to me then the $1,000 ones. I already have optics for it and all the parts from real AR's so I wouldn't even need anything other then the rifle, magazines, ammo and gas. I also have plate carriers, mag pouches, helmets, goggles and etc also. Not too worried about the coating if it's made of Aluminum like the real rifle.
Sure, the realism is quite astounding. Although these days it’s better to invest in the VFC AR instead as their GBBR’s over the past few years have been constantly improved upon. GHK not so much. QC has been getting worse and worse.
Most people I've encountered on the Facebook groups have been running them completely stock. Using some decent heavy weight bbs eg. .30g. It uses aeg type inner barrels and rubbers so there's a plethora of different upgrade options available. Also upgradable metal hop up units have also been released.
Hello. I don’t have much of a budget to buy another GBB M4. Owning a GHK and a Marui M4 is very expensive and that’s not including magazines. The KWA LM4 isn’t widely available here and I don’t see it as a worthy investment. Do you own a KWA?
No problemo If you like your KWA and it works well for you, you don’t need my opinion 😉. Gas it up and go! I was interested in looking at their newish 416 and that’s practically the same apart from externals. Maybe one day.
Frustratingly, as I live in the northern United States, gas guns just aren't a viable option for about half the year for me, as much as I'd like to use one.
I never owned the GHK M4 at the time when I had the Pro Win mags. If I recall the Pro Win Gen2 magazines I had with my old Inokatsu M4 wouldn't work well in the G5 I had at the time. The valve lock had to be removed in order for it to operate but performance overall was weak. I'm assuming the experience would be similar in the GHK M4. Best results use GHK's mags in GHK guns. Thanks
The TM M4 uses its own proprietary magazines and the Pro Win/WA won’t even fit into the magwell. GHK M4: Not without modifications, and even then it’s taking a big step back in performance.
You don't seem to have covered what I heard was the main weakness of the TM version. I'm told on Green/Propane the TM hits at around 370 FPS (Aka not skirmishable as an auto weapon in the UK), and there's no NPAS equivalent yet... And it's nowhere near as snappy on 144a.
Sure. Using green indoors with .2g's I was clocking results in the region of 330-340 FPS. So mine is perfectly acceptable at most outdoor sites here in the UK.
The GHK mags are more realistic, they are weighted to real steel stanags. So to me, they win over the TM. You dont by a GBB to not have realism. I like TM, I do but the GHK was more efficient, more realistic, better spares support, just as if not more accurate but the TM won?
The TM won it for me, however on paper GHK just pulled ahead because of those reasons you've listed. Also the availability of C02 magazines, which for some players is a must (climate etc), stands out over the TM. I do believe that the GHK is a superb weapon system and could be considered to live upon a higher tier than the TM MWS because of its realism, vast support and widespread use. Whereas TM exists on a level along with WE and KJW. For myself I couldn't afford to keep and run both, along with having a decent battle load of mags, the one I chose also happened to be cheaper. GHK magazines for example costing up to £20 more than TM's. At that price I could afford to buy more and it's a big plus if they weigh less especially if one is carrying more magazines. That's why I said that my choice was with TM. Along with everything else I tried to cover in this video, I had totally forgot to address the price comparison.
+airsoft guy They're both pretty much bomb proof. GHK with its steel internals and TM with its complex but tough guts. They just work, you'd do no wrong with either choice to be honest.
Pretty decent review. However if this is a versus review, you should be objective and not let your fanboy side over take your overall judgement. It stains your credibility. If you want to fanboy do a separate one on just the TM then. It's clear from the tests alone and all the other extra such as aftermarket support the GHK is the clear winner and TM is clearly late to the game. It's okay to be a fan of something just don't let it override your job of reviewing the products.
You're dead right, on paper the GHK wins and I'd like to be able to keep it but something which I totally forgot to mention on the video is that the TM system is slightly cheaper and when GHK magazines can be up to £20 more expensive than TM's, I can't afford to keep both systems and have the magazines etc. So for me this is another reason for my irrational conclusion. Thanks for your input, I appreciate the guidance I get from comments/messages, it's all good. Also thanks for watching!
You're review on both platforms were really solid. You did a superb job of that. You provided the facts and did rather extensive testing as well outdoors. Testing in the actual elements where these guns can truly show their capabilities. Very few reviews I've seen have done it and it was always in optimal situations. If picking a side becomes difficult or may conflict with your personal views than the best compromise is just showing the pros and cons and letting the viewer decide. Even the response you given me, as you mentioned, if that was provided in the end it would divert much of the heat. Keep up the amazing work! You certainly earned a subscribe from me!
im going with the tm too, it just is more tested, a work of the masters of airsoft id say. it could be better but its still the most reliable gas m4 out there I would bet.
Oh yes. I tried this yesterday. And boy does it shoot quick! Has the best of both worlds. Although the TM buffer has a rounded face which meets with the rear of the TM carrier perfectly. However the GHK buffer is flat. GHK carrier may damage the TM buffer and with no available spares at this time, I'm not going to push it too far. It has began to scratch the TM buffer surface. Definitely would be interesting to get a spare and then flatten the face of it.
+BadaBingPictures i wonder in the WE buffers or ghk ones may fit. or even a WE spring? im finding the cool down indoors is quick using green gas thats full auto though lol
+Rasmus Hellgren Yeah I've heard of the DH mod. Great idea, unfortunately I don't have anywhere local that sells C02 in cans. Only those little capsules. Propane is far easier to obtain and relatively cheap.
+Rasmus Hellgren That's a very good idea. But then it's another type of gas to buy just for one gas gun. That's the beauty of the TM, runs superb from regular old propane and even better efficiency with the green gas mod for the mags. ;-) Having said that, kudos to the GHK system for being adaptable. That's something that truly puts itself in a class of its own.
you focused too much on the TM. if it WAS a competition, the GHK could've win. But I understand that you are a fan boy of TM'S but put a little emphasis on the real champion. which is the GHK. the production model of the GHK M4A1 14.5 has better internals than the one you have right now that can easily kick TM'S ass. TM has a lot of malfunctions that's why it has a vast spare part options. but over all Nice video. (y) really learned something.
+Gian Karlo Bacalso I agree with you. Yes it's a very TM MWS emphasised video because at the time it was just released. I also agree with you regarding the current generation of GHK M4's being revised over their first release batches. As of yesterday I bought a new GHK M4 MOD 1 and have been filming its review over this weekend. It's so much better than my old GHK! Back in the day I wanted their M4 to be as great as their G5. Only it didn't have that enjoyable snap in the shoulder as the G5 has..however the current gen M4's are as good as the G5. If not better! I'm very impressed! Right now in terms of a winner, I simply cannot choose. Unstoppable force and the unmovable object. The two represent the best GBB AR15's on the market, both in out of the box function/performance, reliability, efficiency (see TM MWS green gas mod video😉), durability and aftermarket support. Thanks and stay tuned 😊👍
+Gian Karlo Bacalso True that. Hmm sniper rifles aren't really my thing to be honest. I don't have the patience for it. But if they made the Hk PSG1......😍
theyre both similar, i just like the shorter, more carbine style look of the GHK, and goddamn, im not that rich, the TM just eats through the gas like crazy. also, with the smoother and more durable gen 2 release, and the release of the lighter gen 2 mags, hehe boi...
That's true. Their gas system and lightweight magazines in general make it more appealing than the TM. The bad news is GHK have poor quality control and it's gotten worse over the years. Sometimes you just don't know what you're getting until it arrives at your door. In that regard the TM rules. Japanese QC is the best.
+GV DRAGONFISTS Depends on what classifies as "better". In a lot of countries the FPS limit is 360, in that case the TM is better because it doesn't need a valve change or a NPAS to shoot under the limit.
fps= nothing, fps can be increased and downgraded, more fps doesnt equal more range nor accuracy, a 280 fps marui will out range most 350+ guns in any field simply because its magical hop up
+Liana Smith I think TM only cares for the Japanese market, as far as I know they do not directly ship outside of their home country. Thus having to comply with their own laws in regards to build materials and FPS restrictions. Distributors/retailers are the reason we gain their products. I think the only metal external guns are their recoil series and new M4 GBBR. The rest is plastic made. Having said that I think their plastic made GBB pistols absolutely rock.
Liana Smith, that's actually a pretty western comment. While western companies like to dominate the world as seen by all the American products flooding everywhere. Asian companies tend to focus on its local market first, fine tune everything to satisfy the needs and wants of its local clients and the laws in its own government. Keep manufacturing within its country to keep locals employed and such. It's an Asian thing that the main goal of everything is for the betterment of the greater good of the community. The community being the family, the neighborhood, the town or city, the province, the region and the nation. If the international market picks up on it then good, but they usually will still retain its local finetunings, the international market has to deal with the local market and not the other way around.
Well, I'm still mad at Tokyo Marui for that horrible gearbox design they inflicted on us (even though it made airsoft more popular). They never go for realism, just look at the VSR10, a bolt action that doesn't open up and has the mag almost at the muzzle. So, even though I'm not going to buy either of these (because they are M4s), GHK wins.
@@BadaBingPictures haha I didn't expect a reply to an old clip I have been watching though over time , as I have your attention I have been wanting a gbb rif for a wile what's your recommendation, money's not a problem unless it's really expensive
@@charlie91757 cool cool mate. You’ve chosen a fortuitous time to get into the GBB game. There’s sooooooooo much choice these days, and so many solid options. It’s really up to your own tastes. There’s something for everybody. If you just want to dip your toe in, not knowing if it’ll be for you, you cannot go wrong with the humble WE G36. Reliable, good performance as standard, and best of all its affordable. Try it and find it’s not for you, then you haven’t forked out £500+ cost of mags etc… Only a few hundred to get you on the field. I could name a host of GBB’s but really it’s down to you. Also, don’t just take my advice. There’s a thriving community of GBB users at the Heavy Recoil Club. It’s a discord server which organises mostly all platforms under their own specific sub-threads. Check them out: discord.gg/heavyrecoilclub
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The GHK’s double the gas efficiency over the TM really surprised me!
But then you green has mod the mws and there is no competition
Creepy joe How does green gas mod compare to duster gas stock TM, also I think if the test was done with duster gas for the TM it may have been more efficient
Rice To Meat You duster gas is a lot more expensive to run and propane gives better performance
Creepy joe devil hunter mod the ghk mags for co2 and it has the mws beat in any weather.
@@NorotorFC how much does that cost? $30 per mag? I change out a $20 spring and I beat your stock Ghk m4 immediately
good vid - thx
but, no question -- GHK for me
tm is the shit. operates at cold temperature, very accurate even for AEG standard, cerakoted receivers for eye candy.
wait until someone makes steel replacement parts to take this to another level, then it won't even be a 50-50 with the GHK-even within the restrictions from Japanese laws it's already a tie-from my pov leaning pretty heavily to the TM side.
right? marui master race
TM is shooting at 100mps using 0.3g bb and green gas, and about 110mps using 0.2g bb, which suits Hong Kong quite well
It is hard to actually compare TM m4 gbb with other brands on the market. TM is totally giving up realistic internal to enhance durability and gas efficiency, while still providing the realistic operation (eg. the first m4 gbb with working forward assist function), and acceptable external looking(the receiver coating, at least).
If you want to have a gbb m4 to shoot someone in wargame without having to modify something, go for TM
If you are collecting one as a model, TM may not be a good choice
I don't think the comparison is fare for TM M4, there is no mention which green gas you are using. Also, how many seconds you charge for 1 mag?
I couldn't have put it better myself, although not for lack of trying ;-)
While my impression has changed somewhat after recently picking up another GHK M4 (MOD1), I still firmly believe that they both represent the best in GBB M4 platforms. Therefore anyone on the crossroads of which one to choose, one could boil it all down to your last paragraph.
+OasisHo Ho For both rifles I used Propane and the TM M4 magazines in the standard configuration can only accept roughly 5-6 seconds fill of gas before its full. Modified for green gas (internal silver tube removed) it can accept up to 20 seconds before its full.
The GHK magazine had the same second input as stated by the manufacturer specifications.
KJW had working forward assist. Not that you would ever need one in a GBBR...
first m4 gbb with working foward assist? first, its pretty useless, second, I guess you've never seen a kj m4...
WE Master race reporting in. They say suffering builds character, and thanks to my WE M4, I have plenty of character!
Haha! I know what you mean. 😉
I've owned VFC. I still wake up in the middle of the night screaming.
+Alex Mckillmore Im lucky and have not suffered as a WE gbbr owner. Only had issues with the 1911 but they fixes were simple.
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You'll have to excuse the hyperbole in my original post, I love my WE. It breaks down from time to time and GHK owners try giving me shit but I've had it almost 3 years and I doubt any gas rifle would last as long as that without breaking down.
And the fact is, whilst yeah they may go down more often than AEGs, they're so much easier to fix.
+Alex Mckillmore no need to say that. I knew it was kind of a joke.
+BadaBingPictures I was lucky enough to find a new VFC hk417 GBBR and i dont regret the high price tag
Being a GBB gamer in Hong Kong I don't think the mags is the most important to concern. Since the area to play wargame in Hong Kong is limited and small. There is no necessary to bring too many mags. Two to three mags is totally enough to close your enemies. In a shorten distance, using a pistol is more useful than using a rifle. So, I the accuracy is the most importance as it determines how many enemies you can tackle before having the CQB combat.
Nice video, one of the very few that compares between the TM and GHK M4s. But I still can't decide which to get especially after watching your GHK Mod 1 review. The gbbr is more of a collector's item for me and will not be used for games, and in this aspect the GHK's more realistic internals and sheer amount of steel parts seem to give it the edge, but man I do love the cerakote finishing on the TM, and then of course there's TM's reputation for quality and its supposedly wonderful hop up for backyard plinking. If I leave both guns absolutely stock, which would you recommend in terms of:1. realism, both externally and internally2. out of the box performance and accuracy3. long term longevity of partsThanks so much!
+Liang Weihao If its a rifle which would suit your need as a collector more than skirmish rifle, I recommend the GHK.
The internals for example are far more realistic than those on the TM. The feel of the action also is very authentic, right down to pulling back on the charging handle and feeling the bolt carrier slide over the hammer. Definitely wins in that department over the TM.
The TM while unrealistic under the hood, provides a slick and fast reciprocation and in terms of actually getting a bb to hit the target it just about takes the lead over the GHK. Of course easily matched with upgrades but as you stated, absolutely stock.
GHK offers blank receivers also, so if you were to pick up one, you could have your own choice of trades applied and cerakote if you wish. (Yeah it would be expensive in the long run, but how awesome would it be when finished!)
Longevity wise, they both do just fine. User reports from both systems are very positive.
Great Video, just subbed.
I have decided to jump into the world of GBBR and recently asked which would be a better choice between the GHK and TM MWS. I was sent a link to this video.
Some great tests that answered some of the questions I had. A really good comparison video.
+David TS41
Thanks for the support!
The choice is made even more difficult with the recent introduction of the Version 2 GHK M4.
It has a few improvements and is supplied with their next gen magazine, which is lighter.
Whatever you choose, GHK or TM, you can’t lose! They are both great at what they do.
I’m working on making a follow up video featuring these two.
BadaBingPictures yeah I know. I am leaning more towards the TM based on this video and the magazine mod, however a lot of guys I attend games with all run GHK, so if I had any issues with a GHK I'd have on hand tech guys to help where as I'd have to go source help for a TM. So, still a lot of decision making to do. But I'll wait until your new comparison vid comes out and see if that helps any.
+David TS41
The beauty of GBBR’s is if you experience any issues, the internals are quite easy to work on. That and both communities are very helpful on FB groups.
See if you can get to a shop where they’re sold and try them out.
check out Kwa Lm4 Ptr
@@davidnyeste7282 which brand do you choose?
just polish the top of the hammer and bottom of the bolt carrier for the ghk it helps a lot
BadaBing, sorry if I'm reviving a really old video but what's your honest view now? I'm after a gbbr for milsim use so reloading/re-gasing is not that big an issue for me (I'm ignoring any mods to mags) and I just want something to take out the box and shoot.
I'm just wanting your honest, current opinion on which of these 2 would be better (I've discard the hk416a5, even though I love the look of it)
Hey
You’re right, it is an old video! I have a part 2 video on the horizon that will feature the newest generation GHK M4.
I’ve got a few videos coming up before that one will be finished, though.
In this video I was leaning towards the Marui M4 but with the latest version 2 GHK, the choice is even more difficult!
Unstoppable force vs the immovable object. Until the new comparison comes out you can check out my recent videos featuring these two.
They’ll give you a break down of pros and cons, hopefully one of the two would match up with your requirements.
In regards to the green gas mod for the Marui, yes most people adopt the method, but others run them as they come and do just fine.
BadaBingPictures
Thank you for speed reply. I will check them out shortly :-)
You’re welcome!
Thanks for watching
Sadly not for a while. I’ve been very lucky to have had companies sending me things to review and most of my time has been taken up by producing those videos.
The only downside to that is I have little time to focus on my own projects. Rest assured it *is* coming and I want to see it completed and online as much as you guys.
I have the TM m4 and have been running it on propane for over 2000 rounds and I've already had two failures. One was the buffer, the other was the nozzle spring. I think I'm going to buy a GHK and run that until there are some aftermarket parts for the MWS that can handle propane.
That sucks man, these things happen. When they released their MP7, many nozzles started to crack when running on propane. Some broke after the first magazine, others went after several thousand bbs, like mine and I've heard there's a few still out there running on completely original parts.
Wasn't long till polycarbonate nozzles came out and its still going strong today.
It'll get there.
Out of interest, what happened to the buffer?
The GHK is a fine GBBR no doubt about that, if you've got the dough go for it!
+BadaBingPictures
Some material got chewed off on the smaller end of the buffer. The gun still functions fine though.
+BadaBingPictures Whats your opinion on the Magpul PTS Masada gbbr from KWA?
I wouldn't own one myself (not my cup of tea) But from what I've read and videos on here that I've seen, it's certainly a decent alternative option to the mainstream AR GBBR's, with a vast network of spares and some aftermarket upgrades/support available too.
Also an added bonus that they make pmags/emags along with the LM4 stanags so that's cool.
And I quite like KWA products.
I don't know, the shooting test is just satisfying. You should make an ASMR video with all the shooting tests of the guns that you've reviewed.
Mr. Bing, would you say its possible to run the ghk under 350fps on co2 all year round using the low power nozzle. Additionally how do you replace the nozzle as I believe them to be around 400fps on import, is it as easy as un clipping that circlip at the back of the bolt carrier and sliding out or is it more involved? I,m afraid i'm a bit of a skinflint when it comes to mags that are £55 - £60 each and I don't want to buy 12...
Once again thanks a lot - I've passed The heresey group onto you as he had questions about the TM MTR 16 which I believe you've reviewed.
Mr Mills, welcome back.
Cool, thanks. I'm no expert but I'll give it a go if any questions come of it.
Absolutely. Recently my stock GHK 14" had a runaway fps of about 420 this summer, and that was on a Low Powered nozzle. It was 310-320 during mild-cold weather.
But you can use various methods to regulate the speed.
1. Open up the nozzle and either shim the back, or remove coils off the floating valve spring.
This is quite invasive and involves using a hot air gun to melt the glue that holds the nozzle halves together.
2. Drill and tap a thread into the side of the nozzle which can utilise a grub screw to reduce the gas flow. FG Airsoft made these but supplies may be drying up as he's giving up that business. 3. Replace inner barrel.
You can use a shorter length inner barrel and this will naturally reduce the fps. If you use a widebore barrel this will reduce it a little more. I've got plans to use an Orga 6.23 in my GHK to help kill off the fps without resorting to messing around with adjustable nozzles.
I tried this tactic in my friends MOD 1 and his doesn't fire over site limits, even in summer. He uses it in conjunction with an adjustable nozzle, so he doesn't have to restrict the gas flow too much.
There may be other methods but this is what's come to mind.
@@BadaBingPictures Thanks for the rapid reply again, as you can tell I'm doing my homework long before I spring the green on any platform and basically I'm after a solid investment that will perform all year round. The Tm HK45 tac in placcy looks like it will fit the bill and like I say a GHK m4 and it looks like propane for most of the year and nuprol black gas if I get stuck now after this advice as I don't rate my chances hacking open nozzles (video opportunity).
Once again thanks very much, your definitely the best resource for this kind of thing. You really must contact these companies and start your own web shop aka recon brothers as you do have a niche market here... Just sayin'.....
Oh and how is the nozzle swapped again please?
I don't rate my chances of success with opening up a nozzle. I think I'd rather throw in £50 for a shorter wide bore inner barrel to tame the FPS.
The rifle and pistol sounds like a winning combination to me. Nuprol Black gas didn't really impress me for winter skirmishing. It felt like a strong green gas.
Guard Power Up gas, on the other hand...Its not quite Co2 but its definitely canned heat!
Its quite easy to remove the nozzle. Just remove the side nozzle guide and the C Clip. Although that C clip can be annoying to get back onto the spring guide. so have fun with that ;-)
I'd like to do something like this but I'm so busy with my regular job. Hectic shifts that span across days/nights. Never close, open 7 days a week. Having said that, I have been in contact with a couple of new retailers that might be hooking me up with products to review. We'll see..
My biggest problem with the TM is that more parts means more possible malfunctions.
Not always, sometimes it comes down to *how* it works
@@seppalastname4574 True, and years down the line it has proven right, TM’s ZET efficiency and longevity trumps the GHK it seems. Still both are 👌
@@Allegro_Giusto i think so so far thats what i've seen on youtube and forums
Its TM, they're like the hondas of airsoft
@@Gchang54 more like Porsches. They're reliable, have great performance, and great credibility. They're just complex and full of small parts that are a pain to fix.
At the moment, I have all the proper M4 GBBRs : MWS,GHK and VFC. All I can tell is that you're making a mistake by choosing one of these, since they're all lovely with their own personal pros, and there is nothing wrong with having them all at once if you got the coin :D . I honestly can't pick the very best one.
I don’t think it’s worth all that money on toy guns I would only get 1
@@jordanrial166 apparently, you are not a gun lover.
@@TehSnake586 toy gun lover*
@@jordanrial166 Shootin friends with toy guns lover. just give it a good try.
@@jordanrial166 here comes the "real gun" dude, why do you come to airsoft videos to comment toy shit? You know were you are, if this is too childish for you go get shot by your friends with some 5.56 and then come back here to comment the big man you are... this is the kind of ppl who buys the biggest car in the market to compensate things
Hi dear Sir.
How do I see the difference on a ghk m4a1 ris v2 and a version 1 on the second marke. Like not buying from the shop...?? Any hints??
Hi,
There are no external differences. Although in 2018/19 they upgraded the surface coating of the receivers.
Check out my review and you can see the differences between the V1 and V2 M4’s. @4mins 42sec
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About the mags. Which is why the GHK will win IMO. The ghk can use CO2 mags which are lighter than the standard gas mags. CO2 also gives the gun a louder harder kick as well as a boost to the rof. Not to mention aftermarket parts for the GHK means it has the capacity for new replacement parts and upgrades down the line.
Agreed. That's a plus on GHK's side. Versatility.
Capability of using GHK's very own C02 magazines/ DH mod, to achieve absolute top performance.
But then TM's absolute top performance only requires a humble can of propane.
However TM's not as fun to shoot as a GHK running the hot stuff.
Nowadays both platforms have a vast amount of aftermarket support.
I need to ask are the TM mags are only compatible with other mags like GHK, WE,KJW Etc? I live in the states but don't know if it's possible?
Sure. The TM mags will only work with the TM M4.
GHK - Way better aftermarket (price AND assortment wise), CO2 option is there.
Marui - Realy good out of the box. Aftermarket is *meh* (less options, more expensive)
Hello, after 6 years (and nev v2 ghk) what do you recommend for every week shooting? Price doesnt matter for me. Looking for ar gbbr which can withstand gampleay with aegs and hpa as close as possible :)
TM is the one you want.
GHK, for all the nice realism that it gives you, is overpriced and has horrendous QC.
TM is the ultimate gun to compete against AEG and HPA users. Use the best bbs you can afford and it’ll do the rest.
@@BadaBingPictures any mods needed to use ith with 1.8J?
Maybe swap out the bucking to help kick out those rounds. The stock one is too soft for heavier bbs. Search SixG gunsmithing. They make a brass nub which works wonders for long range.
@@BadaBingPictures thank you very much :) greetings
With the hindsight of two years ownership, I wonder how this comparison stacks up now
I still stand by my decision. The Tokyo Marui M4 MWS is the better option than the GHK M4......VERSION 1.
Their Version 2, however. Catch me on separate days and my opinions will be different. That’s how close these two come.
Is it ok? using green gas with TM mws m4? Some people think TM which is made in Japan weak against green gas, in japan B.B. gun have to be made weaker then steel that is why..
How do you think about that?
By the way, I have a TM mws m4
Hi,
I have used Green Gas/Propane in my TM MWS since this was released and it has worked just fine. Great in fact!
After a year or so, the nozzle spring broke. But that was because the bolt carrier fires too quickly and the original spring wasn’t designed for that kind of speed. It was no big deal as the upgraded spring set is cheap and easy to fit.
I Have the GHK Colt Licensed M4A1 SOPMOD Block 2 rifle and I can't get thru a single magazine without a bb getting hung up and causing all the gas to suddenly vent from the mag. It's awesome when it actually works, but I have no idea whats wrong with it.
You may have a hairline crack in your magazine feedlips and it could be chambering 2 bbs at the same time. This could lead to the carrier being out of battery and when you pull the trigger the gas won't be channelled through the nozzle properly and it'll vent. This is likely the case.
Check your magazines. GHK produce feedlips which are quite narrow and they can crack or break all together. A common mod is to lightly file away the inner walls. Continued shooting in this condition can eventually crack your plastic hop up chamber, so beware!
that tm on full auto holy shit. someone made a really good observation about the TM. something that helped open my eyes to how tm once again reinvented the game. the statement was (paraphrasing of course) that its designed not to completely emulate a real steel m4 to a T on purpose. rather its designed to preform well as an airsoft gun. its really that simple. *shrugs shoulders* thoughts?
I agree, they didn't make it as real as it could be, but to make it as good as it can be. If their GBBR Zet system continues to be as good as it is, then they have the formula to base an entire GBBR line from, with the number one priority being reliability.
So long as it's with 134a/144a lol. As also reportedly it has better gas efficiency with that stuff too. (However temperature must be favourable of course).
Are there any after market (upgrades) triggers for the TM MWS? TM magazines are lighter but whats the total loaded weight of each rifle?
Certainly. Guns Modify and G&P (maybe some others) make upgraded hammer triggers sets that outperform the original.
In regards to the total weight, I'm not sure at this time. Check out my HK416A5 versus videos because I have a data card at the beginning.
How would you compare the MWS with GHK m4 nowadays? with the UAC and angrygun released their upgrades, it should increased the performance
and the cycling is it faster and better on the MWS or the GHK?
+Rozan Roif Since my recent purchase of another GHK M4 (review up btw), I can say that the GHK has made it even more difficult to choose one or the other. Both systems advantages balance out so well, it's actually quite annoying.
For sure the cyclic rate on the MWS is slightly better. Throw the MWS buffer & spring inside the GHK and it's essentially the TM MWS with realistic internals. (Although due to the shape of the buffer face it's not technically compatible with the GHK bolt)
I'll let you all know regarding the UAC upgrades very soon! Ultra lightweight Bolt Carrier on the way!
sounds great! I'll be wondering about the UAC upgrades as well
There are a couple things that totally invalidate your gas efficiency test.
Firstly, you did not do the "green gas mod" to the TM mag. TM mags have a metering feature to prevent over/under filling. This is why TM mags "leak" while filling. For this mod, you remove the tube in the mag that gives it this feature, and this allows the TM mags to hold almost triple the amount of liquid gas. Point being, the stock TM mags inherently cannot hold as much liquid gas as a GHK mag.
Secondly, you didn't show how long you filled each mag, though doesn't really matter for the unmodded TM mag since its metered. But for the GHK, it can make an enormous difference.
For a test like this to be valid, You'd need to weigh each mag and account for the difference in mag shell weight to ensure they are filled with the same volume of liquid propane.
I would bet if you went back and did a test like this, you'd find the TM to be superior. There are videos of overfilled TM mags cycling well over 100 times.
BUT this test, even if done right, can be misleading. When it comes down to it, you'd never actually want to fill the mags for either platform to the point where they can fire this many times. Overfilling mags to this point causes performance issues, mainly on full auto because the level of the liquid gas in the mag is too high and the liquid gets siphoned out, which is why you see clouds of gas sometimes. This causes the cool-down effect to happen much more rapidly, which results in very poor performance.
Fact is, both platforms, with properly filled mags, perform about the same efficiency wise. Both get through the entire mag and lock back, whether on semi or full.
I own both platforms. GHK mags like to be filled between 6-8 seconds. My TM mags perform best when filled for 8-10 seconds.
Hi Alex
Absolutely right. There are lots of things I could have included within the video and I hope to feature these in the follow-up when I account for the Version2 GHK.
Bear in mind this is a very old video now. There are many things I know now that I didn’t when I made this way back in 2015.
These days some people don’t usually bother with the GG mod. Apparently the refinements TM have introduced over time kind of make the modification redundant. I have no first hand experience of this though. Nor the spare funds to buy another TM to feed my curiosity.
How to do green gas mod
I think the way Badabing tested is right.
You shouldn’t be testing a modded gun to an unmodded gun in a fair test.
GHK M4 got Colt’s trademark in the upper of 2018, and then will present MK18 Mod1 in 2019 due to get the Daniel and Defense’s trademark too
Yep. It’s an amazing option for people wanting a Mk18.
Plus, they have updated the receiver finish too!
This needs a revisit. What with all the upgrade parts that are now available for the MWS. Great channel man.
+chazbox1987
Thanks for watching!
Funnily enough I have been working on a part 2. Also GHK are releasing their version 2.0 M4 soon. Hmmm I wonder if it's worth investing in...?
What an sun of beach.Never seen the conclusion like that
+신재호 Yeah this is kind of outdated now, I have recently bought another GHK M4.
The one in this video was a earlier batch.
I have a review of my new GHK here: th-cam.com/video/xIU7SaUKsX4/w-d-xo.html
6 years later, you still like the mws better than the ghk? I want to buy an gbbr m4 so i really need help.😂😂😂
Well, this video is super old!
The simple passage of time has proven the Marui to be the superior choice. GHK’s quality control over the last few years has taken a nose dive. Casting flaws, sub-par materials, finishing and to this day it still has its infamously narrow magazine feedlips - the list goes on.
Honestly, you’ll likely have a better platform in the latest VFC Knights SR-16 E3 Mod 2 or VFC BCM MCMR. Those have the most up-to-date improvements. That is if you want a realistic AR pattern that isn’t the Marui M4 system.
Failing that…just buy the Marui 😂
Does the GHK now have Full-Auto?
Hey buddy i have one question to ask you which sould i go for the VIPER TECH stock buffer or the VIPER TECH Direct Impact CNC buffer for my ghk m4 ??????
I'm not sure to be honest. I only replaced the stock spring for the Viper Tech spring. I kept the stock buffer. Are you looking for a heavier recoil setup?
+BadaBingPictures yes i was thinking because the of the spring and buffer set aslo the offer a CNC buffer as well just want to know if its worth getting both and which buffer was better the stock VT of the CNC one??
Hmm. If you're running C02 mags or DH modded gg mags then either option would be cool. All I can say is that it gets very thirsty when you start using stiffer springs etc..
That's why I went back to using the stock internals as with the cold weather on propane, it was able to cope that bit better.
I'm thinking about getting a tippmann m4 or ghk m4. Which one would you prefer? What are the pros and cons of green gas and co2?
+Reborndragon
If it were my money I'd choose GHK every time. Having the full sized bolt reciprocating into your shoulder and lock open on empty is just awesome. Also because the action of the Tippmann is obviously more toy like.
Using green gas is fine but performance would decrease during colder weather, although the great thing about GHK is that C02 magazines are available and would maintain the best performance possible all year round.
For regular green gas usage:
I use propane and refill smaller cans from larger tanks and this significantly reduces running costs to pennies.
If I'm out during the winter I'll pick up Black Gas to reduce the effects of the cold.
You could use a similar method for C02 and devil hunter mod C02 magazines so that you can refill them with C02 from a larger tank, which is another great fuel solution and cheaper than buying the capsules.
Do you recommend me to covert the ghk m4 magazines to co2? Is co2 more consistent overall compare to green gas?
+Reborndragon
It all depends on you, your local field fps rules and of course your regions climate.
In my experience the consistency between green gas and C02 is marginal. Sure C02 has better resistance to cooldown, especially in winter, but in mild to hot weather the consistency remains stable between the two fuels. C02 giving you an increased snap over green gas.
Do you know if magpul moe plus grip will work on ghk m4?
+Reborndragon as long as it's real AR or GBB spec it should fit just fine. 👍
For this video for the looks, I would pick the TM. But as for the gas efficiency and the BB's, I'd pick up the GHK. But since this is an older video and it's the version 1 of GHK, I would say you should make a review of the Marui M4A1 and the GHK M4 v2. See which one is better now.
For me personally, I am currently in the market for one of those M4's and I was nearly setting for the GHK v2, but the TM looks accurate and good aswell. And I am not particually a TM fanboy :P,
I just like products that have good quality and therefore if GHK v2 is better, I'd pick that one up. If not, I'll go for the TM.
Could you make a video of the GHK v2 and the TM?
This is a very old video, has my opinion changed with the V2 GHK? Yes it has but only personal preferences as opposed to a comparison of individual merits.
The TM M4 you see in this video does not represent what they’re like nowadays. Marui have made slight changes along the way. My magazines were from the first batch and they struggled to swallow enough green gas to cycle the rifle to a positive lock up. This was especially true in rapid fire or cold weather. I needed to perform the Green Gas Mod (GGM) to enable more room for gas. This increased the total gas capacity and ensured it had enough puff to run off an entire magazine with dependable bolt lock. Disadvantage-wise it’s too easy to overfill with gas.
These days you don’t need to do this. But it’s still an option depending on users preference.
GHK have fallen from grace over the past couple of years. Their QC has taken a nose dive, sadly. Flaws in manufacturing have gotten through the cracks and there are a fair few users which addressed their concerns on various Facebook groups.
However if you get a well made GHK, they’re great. Although I think TM have dominance in the M4 GBB market. They’re the best out of the box M4’s out there.
I’d like to make another versus video but I have loads of other videos to work through and they’re a higher priority.
@@BadaBingPictures I understand. :)
Atleast I appreciate the honest anwser you've given me. I am still doubting though and I would still like to go for the GHK v2 simply because I can either go for GBB or for CO2, that what the TM can't. Otherwise I would've taken the TM. If the TM can do CO2 and GBB with their latest versions, I would go for the TM straight away!
The TM will not be able to withstand CO2. It’s designed to be used on 144a/duster gas and CO2 is at a level 2 or 3 times stronger. The magazines will likely blow apart or pop the valves.
If you absolutely must use that type of gas, GHK all the way. Look into the devil hunter modification. Reinforces their regular green gas magazines with CO2 type valves and you can charge it using a CO2 paintball bottle or soda stream can just like regular green gas. Far superior to the little 12g capsules.
The same comparison in Japan gives the opposite result, because Marui is optimized for the gas used in Japan. GHK airsoft is also popular in Japan!
My cybergun scar h mk17 last about 70 rounds in gas efficiency. I might get a GHK sniper rifle next.
why his ghk m4 run so well?my ghk m4 bolt will stuck sometimes,it jammed by bb so stuck,worst one time the bolt damaged so I need to replace 3parts of
Jams with GHK m4 are usually caused by running soft bbs. GHK m4 requires high quality hard bbs. Also file your feedlips. Join the facebook GHK M4 and Samoon groups for more help
What was that explosive at the end?
I know it can't be tanerite because that wouldn't go off from and airsoft bb.
He didn't use a airsoft gun .... So it could be whatever you thought it was...
Whereas the Tokyo Marui's proprietary internals are very much quick and efficient, and the fact that TM Cerakotes their receivers is pretty amazing - keep in mind that the MWS is operating at velocities within Japanese legality, and there are currently no parts to increase said muzzle velocity. The facts are that we have no idea how the MWS will perform at the level of large events within the United States should someone even release the necessary components - even to the point of competing with the GHK M4 or LM4.
+TheFatAssCat We are seeing more parts now than at the time of this comment, however we still have lots of ground to cover. Looks promising, but we aren't there yet.
Is tm more reliable? I would rather go for reliability than efficiency.
In terms of reliability they are about the same. Although I'm still waiting for more magazines so I can thoroughly confirm TM's reliability.
TM's efficiency can be increased when using propane by removing the hollow tube from inside the magazine. So that kind of evens it out.
+BadaBingPictures I see, i will wait for more videos then.
What's the size of the gas reservoirs in the magazines? The weight difference between the two leads me to believe the GHK might have a bigger reservoir in it. If that's the case it's not really fair to claim the GHK is more gas efficient, since it might actually use more gas per BB but just has a bigger reservoir so it looks like it is more efficient.
Still a good comparison video, and I'm very tempted to buy the Tokyo Marui.
Thanks! The thing is with the TM magazine and why it lacks in its efficiency, all boils down to the silver tube that is attached to the fill valve inside the magazine. It restricts the amount of gas (I use propane) that can be filled in the magazine.
So it's full after about 10 seconds (typical TM mag indication of full, when gas spews out of the fill valve).
With the silver tube removed, this allows more gas to enter the magazine and can be charged up to 30 seconds. This greatly increases its efficiency on par with GHK. So for anyone wishing to use green gas or similar propellant, this is THE number 1 mod that should be performed. And it's quick and easy.
Thanks for the quick response! Good to know that there are mods that allow more gas to be charged in the TM one.
However, and please excuse my nitpicking, you still can't know for certain which one is more gas efficient since you don't know how much gas each magazine actually holds. You can say both guns can now fire 70 BB's on one refill, but this doesn't mean they are equally efficient, since the refills can use different amounts of gas, meaning in the long run one gun will use up more bottles of propane than the other for the same amount of BB's shot.
In the end this is all very arbitrary though, and I'm sure the differences are neglible.
No worries. Well on my scales with propane:
Empty Standard magazine 465g
Full Standard magazine 471g
Empty Green gas Modified magazine 460g
Full Green Gas Modified magazine 485g
Now I don't have a GHK M4 anymore but here's some stats I have found.
Empty GHK Mag 657g
Full GHK Mag 671g
Hope this helps
Will the Tokyo Marui 400 round M4 mag style loader be able to load the MWS' mag?
+Felix Chan
I don't have that particular style loader, but I do have a King Arms 200rd speed loaded with a similar pistol magazine loader adapter.
That works with the Marui M4 MWS Magazine.
Which one will you suggest for me
Either one would be a fine choice.
TM has better aftermarket support, excellent quality control (Japanese is always the best), brilliant out of the box accuracy and all wrapped in a reliable and stable GBB platform.
GHK being more realistic and durable. Gas efficient magazines and a good spare parts support. The recoil is slightly heavier too.
I could go on all day, theres a lot to unwrap here.
@@BadaBingPictures which has more stronger impact of bbs when get shot
The recoil of the GHK m4 is stronge but slow,
The recoil of the TM m4 isn't as strong as the GHK one but it's very snappy
Do the GHK sound much better all in all?
Definitely. Sounds like a beast in comparison.
More metallic.
@@BadaBingPictures it's hard to hear in the video. I know the sound of MWS and think it sounds ok and so my own WE PDW which probably also sounds more metallic but which one sounds best I do not really know, different I would say. So now I'm curious about that GHK. I want my WE replaced with something that works every time, but it's hard enough to decide, have one more month before a big milsim game where I have to use it :)
Cooldown on full auto? Which is better?
+swatti87 To be fair they're about the same. Gas and weather dependant.
On a cold day the Marui will deplete its gas tank with maybe a bb or two left over. But with the green gas mod (increases the volume inside its mag) it'll be ok to complete the magazine but slow towards the end.
GHK would probably do it but last few shots will be slower.
I'd honestly rather have the GHK it's more realistic. I'm just getting into airsoft but I'm very familiar with real firearms and real AR's, I'm genuinely surprised how similar it is to the real thing. Seems like the best AR platform airsoft rifle in any price range. Looks better to me then the $1,000 ones. I already have optics for it and all the parts from real AR's so I wouldn't even need anything other then the rifle, magazines, ammo and gas. I also have plate carriers, mag pouches, helmets, goggles and etc also. Not too worried about the coating if it's made of Aluminum like the real rifle.
Sure, the realism is quite astounding. Although these days it’s better to invest in the VFC AR instead as their GBBR’s over the past few years have been constantly improved upon.
GHK not so much. QC has been getting worse and worse.
I have a question
Are the magazines interchangeable
No. They are not compatible.
The internals are not compatible either.
Thank you very much MrBadabing
did you remember to fill the tm mags for 10-15 sec?
NICE VID! just got my from airsoft zone (: really happy with it!
So what kind of mods could you do to the GHK to improve the accuracy?
Most people I've encountered on the Facebook groups have been running them completely stock. Using some decent heavy weight bbs eg. .30g.
It uses aeg type inner barrels and rubbers so there's a plethora of different upgrade options available. Also upgradable metal hop up units have also been released.
Hi, I would like to see your oppinion about KWA M4 GBB! KWA vs something.
I know there's nothing to do with this video. Sorry
Thank you !
Hello.
I don’t have much of a budget to buy another GBB M4. Owning a GHK and a Marui M4 is very expensive and that’s not including magazines.
The KWA LM4 isn’t widely available here and I don’t see it as a worthy investment. Do you own a KWA?
BadaBingPictures I'm sorry for that, I did not know! I have yes, I would just like to see your opinion! It’s okay !! Thank you !!
No problemo
If you like your KWA and it works well for you, you don’t need my opinion 😉. Gas it up and go!
I was interested in looking at their newish 416 and that’s practically the same apart from externals. Maybe one day.
BadaBingPictures Sure, Thank you, I'm following you! 👊🏻💪🏻 Instagram and TH-cam!
Thank you for your support!
😁☕️👍
Good video!! The TM M4 is missing in my collection!
+Wings Li HDTV Thanks! You need one in your collection 😉
Frustratingly, as I live in the northern United States, gas guns just aren't a viable option for about half the year for me, as much as I'd like to use one.
GHK co2, could help?
ghk makes best gbbr thats all
Can u add a suppressor to these guns? For looks of course
Yes. Both come with 14mm negative threads for different flash hiders and suppressors.
do you know if you can use the g5 prowin mags in the ghk m4? cheers
I never owned the GHK M4 at the time when I had the Pro Win mags.
If I recall the Pro Win Gen2 magazines I had with my old Inokatsu M4 wouldn't work well in the G5 I had at the time. The valve lock had to be removed in order for it to operate but performance overall was weak. I'm assuming the experience would be similar in the GHK M4.
Best results use GHK's mags in GHK guns.
Thanks
GHKs mags are the best on the market. They're proprietary and expansive as fuck. But theres no beating them.
ghk win!
Should have measured the FPS of every round in gas efficiency test.
Are Pro Win WA/Ino Mags compatible?
The TM M4 uses its own proprietary magazines and the Pro Win/WA won’t even fit into the magwell.
GHK M4: Not without modifications, and even then it’s taking a big step back in performance.
You don't seem to have covered what I heard was the main weakness of the TM version. I'm told on Green/Propane the TM hits at around 370 FPS (Aka not skirmishable as an auto weapon in the UK), and there's no NPAS equivalent yet... And it's nowhere near as snappy on 144a.
Sure. Using green indoors with .2g's I was clocking results in the region of 330-340 FPS. So mine is perfectly acceptable at most outdoor sites here in the UK.
+BadaBingPictures huh. That's pretty cool, looks like I heard wrong :).
Can you swap out the outer barrel on the TM to the ghk
No they are not compatible.
14.5 barrel?
The GHK mags are more realistic, they are weighted to real steel stanags. So to me, they win over the TM. You dont by a GBB to not have realism.
I like TM, I do but the GHK was more efficient, more realistic, better spares support, just as if not more accurate but the TM won?
The TM won it for me, however on paper GHK just pulled ahead because of those reasons you've listed. Also the availability of C02 magazines, which for some players is a must (climate etc), stands out over the TM. I do believe that the GHK is a superb weapon system and could be considered to live upon a higher tier than the TM MWS because of its realism, vast support and widespread use.
Whereas TM exists on a level along with WE and KJW.
For myself I couldn't afford to keep and run both, along with having a decent battle load of mags, the one I chose also happened to be cheaper. GHK magazines for example costing up to £20 more than TM's. At that price I could afford to buy more and it's a big plus if they weigh less especially if one is carrying more magazines.
That's why I said that my choice was with TM. Along with everything else I tried to cover in this video, I had totally forgot to address the price comparison.
That's incorrect, TM mags are closer in weight to real mags than GHK. Real mags with 30 rounds of .223/5.56mm ammo weigh around 480-500g.
which would last longer im guessing the tm but still i want one that wont break down in 3 months
+airsoft guy They're both pretty much bomb proof. GHK with its steel internals and TM with its complex but tough guts.
They just work, you'd do no wrong with either choice to be honest.
Ghk....how much?
Pretty decent review. However if this is a versus review, you should be objective and not let your fanboy side over take your overall judgement. It stains your credibility. If you want to fanboy do a separate one on just the TM then. It's clear from the tests alone and all the other extra such as aftermarket support the GHK is the clear winner and TM is clearly late to the game. It's okay to be a fan of something just don't let it override your job of reviewing the products.
You're dead right, on paper the GHK wins and I'd like to be able to keep it but something which I totally forgot to mention on the video is that the TM system is slightly cheaper and when GHK magazines can be up to £20 more expensive than TM's, I can't afford to keep both systems and have the magazines etc.
So for me this is another reason for my irrational conclusion.
Thanks for your input, I appreciate the guidance I get from comments/messages, it's all good.
Also thanks for watching!
You're review on both platforms were really solid. You did a superb job of that. You provided the facts and did rather extensive testing as well outdoors. Testing in the actual elements where these guns can truly show their capabilities. Very few reviews I've seen have done it and it was always in optimal situations. If picking a side becomes difficult or may conflict with your personal views than the best compromise is just showing the pros and cons and letting the viewer decide. Even the response you given me, as you mentioned, if that was provided in the end it would divert much of the heat. Keep up the amazing work! You certainly earned a subscribe from me!
im going with the tm too, it just is more tested, a work of the masters of airsoft id say. it could be better but its still the most reliable gas m4 out there I would bet.
Thanks Jesus!
Time will tell but at the moment I'm happier with the TM than GHK. It just shoots better.
Metal receiver on the Marui?
I swapped my Marui MK18 with GHk one! TM is sissy only shoots 350 fps max! GHk is manly and powerful! no regret!
Perfect but as long I can find a place that sale Tm GBBR mags. I'm good
I suspect that if you try the tm spring and buffer in the ghk you'll get a similar snap
Oh yes. I tried this yesterday. And boy does it shoot quick! Has the best of both worlds. Although the TM buffer has a rounded face which meets with the rear of the TM carrier perfectly.
However the GHK buffer is flat. GHK carrier may damage the TM buffer and with no available spares at this time, I'm not going to push it too far. It has began to scratch the TM buffer surface. Definitely would be interesting to get a spare and then flatten the face of it.
+BadaBingPictures i wonder in the WE buffers or ghk ones may fit. or even a WE spring? im finding the cool down indoors is quick using green gas thats full auto though lol
Tokyo Marui "proprietary? It's Tokyo Marui! Everything else should be proprietary and a clone of TM.
Ricky Jr. Nomura it only came out this year so wa is the standard
Yeah, but TM is the gold standard.
Not when it comes to GBBRs. When it comes to them I would argue that GHK is the gold standard.
Will WE mags work in the TM?
+xJKAirsoft Nope, they aren't compatible.
Please turn off video stabilization!
Sorry about that.
Stabilisation has been removed!
u should put an eo tech with bagnifier on one of those gbbrs it is my fav combo for an m4a1
+airsoft guy I have a real EOtech at the moment (I'm actually selling it) but no magnifier to sit behind it.
BadaBingPictures ok mk
There is literally no wrong choice here
cual es mejor?
you should devilhunter mod your ghk gas magazines. then you can fill co2 in them.
+Rasmus Hellgren
Yeah I've heard of the DH mod. Great idea, unfortunately I don't have anywhere local that sells C02 in cans. Only those little capsules.
Propane is far easier to obtain and relatively cheap.
BadaBingPictures you can buy a co2 fire extinguisher and turn that into a fill station then use paintball co2 to fill the mags
+Rasmus Hellgren
That's a very good idea. But then it's another type of gas to buy just for one gas gun. That's the beauty of the TM, runs superb from regular old propane and even better efficiency with the green gas mod for the mags. ;-)
Having said that, kudos to the GHK system for being adaptable. That's something that truly puts itself in a class of its own.
Marui FTW!
you focused too much on the TM. if it WAS a competition, the GHK could've win. But I understand that you are a fan boy of TM'S but put a little emphasis on the real champion. which is the GHK. the production model of the GHK M4A1 14.5 has better internals than the one you have right now that can easily kick TM'S ass. TM has a lot of malfunctions that's why it has a vast spare part options. but over all Nice video. (y) really learned something.
+Gian Karlo Bacalso I agree with you. Yes it's a very TM MWS emphasised video because at the time it was just released.
I also agree with you regarding the current generation of GHK M4's being revised over their first release batches. As of yesterday I bought a new GHK M4 MOD 1 and have been filming its review over this weekend. It's so much better than my old GHK! Back in the day I wanted their M4 to be as great as their G5.
Only it didn't have that enjoyable snap in the shoulder as the G5 has..however the current gen M4's are as good as the G5. If not better!
I'm very impressed! Right now in terms of a winner, I simply cannot choose.
Unstoppable force and the unmovable object. The two represent the best GBB AR15's on the market, both in out of the box function/performance, reliability, efficiency (see TM MWS green gas mod video😉), durability and aftermarket support.
Thanks and stay tuned 😊👍
Exactly. But hey, we all have our choice of poison. Hope you will have a review of the VFC M40A5 Sniper Rifle soon!
+Gian Karlo Bacalso True that. Hmm sniper rifles aren't really my thing to be honest. I don't have the patience for it. But if they made the Hk PSG1......😍
theyre both similar, i just like the shorter, more carbine style look of the GHK, and goddamn, im not that rich, the TM just eats through the gas like crazy. also, with the smoother and more durable gen 2 release, and the release of the lighter gen 2 mags, hehe boi...
That's true. Their gas system and lightweight magazines in general make it more appealing than the TM. The bad news is GHK have poor quality control and it's gotten worse over the years. Sometimes you just don't know what you're getting until it arrives at your door.
In that regard the TM rules. Japanese QC is the best.
I believe the ghk has better fps as well.
+GV DRAGONFISTS Depends on what classifies as "better". In a lot of countries the FPS limit is 360, in that case the TM is better because it doesn't need a valve change or a NPAS to shoot under the limit.
fps= nothing, fps can be increased and downgraded, more fps doesnt equal more range nor accuracy, a 280 fps marui will out range most 350+ guns in any field simply because its magical hop up
Esteban, generally fps would mean more range, but. Like you said TM hop up is great.
going in for second run :D
how much you buy it for
I paid £460 with 3 extra magazines and shipped from Japan. Great deal really.
@@BadaBingPictures Old comment i know but what sites do you buy from? I live in Europe if that matters.
@@Keaza. google.com 👌
Thank you for this post.
GHK is very very GOOD!!!!!!
I love ghk..why hasn't TM moved away from Japan. make metal guns instead of plastic. they would dominate I'm sure.
+Liana Smith I think TM only cares for the Japanese market, as far as I know they do not directly ship outside of their home country. Thus having to comply with their own laws in regards to build materials and FPS restrictions. Distributors/retailers are the reason we gain their products.
I think the only metal external guns are their recoil series and new M4 GBBR. The rest is plastic made. Having said that I think their plastic made GBB pistols absolutely rock.
Liana Smith, that's actually a pretty western comment.
While western companies like to dominate the world as seen by all the American products flooding everywhere. Asian companies tend to focus on its local market first, fine tune everything to satisfy the needs and wants of its local clients and the laws in its own government. Keep manufacturing within its country to keep locals employed and such. It's an Asian thing that the main goal of everything is for the betterment of the greater good of the community. The community being the family, the neighborhood, the town or city, the province, the region and the nation.
If the international market picks up on it then good, but they usually will still retain its local finetunings, the international market has to deal with the local market and not the other way around.
Thanks bud
I really wish u had a chronograph :(
Well, I'm still mad at Tokyo Marui for that horrible gearbox design they inflicted on us (even though it made airsoft more popular). They never go for realism, just look at the VSR10, a bolt action that doesn't open up and has the mag almost at the muzzle. So, even though I'm not going to buy either of these (because they are M4s), GHK wins.
Marui is better
But the GHK is significantly cheaper...
+Aleksi Karppinen GHK is actually slightly more expensive. Both the rifle and magazines.
Where i live the GHK is 200€ cheaper than the TM...
heyyy bada bing here... lolol
watched this on the random after watching a newer clip you look way better with a bald head
Hahah. These old videos are like a time capsule! How I looked and such.
Thanks buddy, I appreciate the support 👍
@@BadaBingPictures haha I didn't expect a reply to an old clip I have been watching though over time , as I have your attention I have been wanting a gbb rif for a wile what's your recommendation, money's not a problem unless it's really expensive
@@charlie91757 cool cool mate.
You’ve chosen a fortuitous time to get into the GBB game. There’s sooooooooo much choice these days, and so many solid options.
It’s really up to your own tastes. There’s something for everybody.
If you just want to dip your toe in, not knowing if it’ll be for you, you cannot go wrong with the humble WE G36. Reliable, good performance as standard, and best of all its affordable.
Try it and find it’s not for you, then you haven’t forked out £500+ cost of mags etc…
Only a few hundred to get you on the field.
I could name a host of GBB’s but really it’s down to you. Also, don’t just take my advice. There’s a thriving community of GBB users at the Heavy Recoil Club. It’s a discord server which organises mostly all platforms under their own specific sub-threads.
Check them out:
discord.gg/heavyrecoilclub
Ghk400fps &TM IS 300-330
Accuracy test???????? Your hipfiring.......