I’m glad you guys are pointing out the negativity the metal genre brews and negativity the album is receiving, it’s unfortunate that a lot of people don’t like this album
I'm personally a fan of the album myself, but I can also openly admit that it's not as good as the "The river, stitch, etc" era.. most just probably know how great they are at that sound, and they don't do it anymore unfortunately
It's so weird to watch you guys sitting in hoodies when I'm here in Denver in my bathing suit getting ready to take a dip in the pool. 92 degrees (F), 33 (C). It's a little toasty here. :D
This song doesn’t blow me away necessarily, but after listening to the whole album, this is the one that got stuck in my head. I found myself coming back to listen to this one specifically.
I'm not going to hate on the album, however, I do believe it's a step back for them. I still believe Manic is their best work and is a 10/10 from start to finish. WIth this album, I really only liked the songs that had Cody's cleans on them and even then, those songs didn't hit as hard as the Clean songs on the Manic Record. I did read that they've been working on this album for 3 years, so before Manic. If they believe it's their best work and they're proud of it, I'm not going to bash them for trying new things like a lot of other people are, kudos to them for doing what makes them happy.
Agreed manic was a 10 and this album isn’t bad but didn’t quite live up to the last one for me. The only songs I can truly say I dig are is this how it ends? Magnetic, Hellbent . Couple others aren’t bad but still ways away from manic 🤷🏼♂️
Agreed. Cody is so darned talented, it's a shame to see him take a back seat vocally for quite a bit of this album. I get a lot of "night club scene at the beginning of the original Matrix movie" vibes from a lot of this album haha very 'rave metal' or something. It's pretty silly for people to be so butthurt about a band evolving. If they didn't try new things, people would be complaining that every song sounds the same. There's no winning for these bands sometimes. Props to them for writing music that they like, and making it in an extremely difficult industry. Not every song or every album is going to resonate with every single fan, and that's ok.
I love you guys, you said what i really feel about this whole scene, although i liked the album, my favorites are still Manic and Pressure, the heavier songs of Stigma didn't win me over, but the more emotional lyrics like Blur and Hellbent, remind me of the vibe of Manic and Pressure, and that won me over!
Funny enough, before I fully listened to the album, I had actually watched multiple reaction videos first (I know, ass backwards). The level of negative reaction to this album had inadvertently given me a bit of unfair bias towards the album. Once I caught myself thinking so illogically, I decided to just listen to the whole thing start to finish. This was a GREAT album. Nowhere near deserving of the negativity its getting; to mimic Johnny's point, I 100% can see if someone was not a fan of the album if they went in expecting a completely heavy album from start to finish, but having heard and experienced Cody as a singer/songwriter over the last several years, this album really showed his and the rest of the band's range and versatility. To diminish the band as a whole over some subjective experience over tracks people may/may not like is just silly. Metal/rock elitism is just musical boomer mentality. Shoutout to other bands as well such as Bad Omens and Sleep Token for really breaking the mold on what "metal" or "metalcore" is, which is an ever-evolving artistic expression of emotion and thought. Great takes on this, great reaction gents.
I have no issue with them trying new things, I like some of the songs. My issue is actually the fact that pretty much every song has a breakdown, some of them feel like they should have a nice solo rather than a breakdown, thats just my opinion though. Love that they're trying new stuff.
I might get some hate for this, but this song really does sound like the band was in a blurry state while writing this one; the forced "blur-ur-ur-ur-ur" irritates the hell outta me. Rest of the record is solid. Also: new To The Grave in August babyyyyyyyy.
I'm genuinely curious whether Wage War is proud and can say they put their heart and soul in each track...i feel like the record company put a lot of pressure on the timing on this album as it didn't seem orchestrated well, nor seem to find its footing/flow in coming together as an album.
The album was finished a LONG time ago. The guys are hella proud, as they should be. They are making the music they wanted regardless of how it’s received
My shitpost response: God this album is straight cheeks My real response: Wage War has never been a band that pushes the envelope or tries anything no-one has ever tried before. They’ve mostly followed the popular trends in metalcore and made albums around that, but that’s okay, because they were REALLY good at writing albums like that. Blueprints/Deadweight/Pressure/most of Manic didn’t do anything different, they were just a quality version of the style that was popular at the time. Cody (and I say Cody because he has been the main songwriter for the band) was always great at writing metalcore. I just think there’s only so much you can do with a hard rock riff before it’s boring. I mean look at the new ADTR track, the new Falling in Reverse stuff, etc, the songwriting is just… there. It’s just kind of background noise. I just think the group is starting to lose steam, as hard rock is making a comeback, and frankly, they’re just not good at writing it. For me personally, the only song that grabbed my attention was the closer, because it brought back some of that riffing from earlier material that they were really good at. I could say a bunch of shitty comments about how the whole album sounds AI generated, or that it’s WWE-core at its finest, but honestly it’s just not worth it. It’s just boring. It’s not even a good attempt to keep up with this hard-rock trend. I genuinely have no desire to listen to this album again and it really seems to be the prevailing opinion. 1/10.
Im generally an octane core fan, but I just don't think this album does it well. Tombstone was awesome, the riff to end the song was awesome. I wasn't interested by anything else. I couldnt stand magnetic, and Blur isnt bad but is just so generic. I will relisten to stigma because those heavy parts you mentioned really didnt stand out to me, it did not seem heavy
Took the words right out of my mouth. Tombstone was a banger, but the rest of the album seemed like it was written for octane, when probably 4% (maybe) of WW fans even have Sirius.
Metalcore fan here: I HATE METALHEADS. I understand why people wouldnt like this song but it's bullshit to just talk shit and hate on it just cz IT DOESNT SUIT THEIR TASTE??! Such a good band, bery good song, and whoever doesnt like it can just go listen to iron maiden or smth😭
I'd never heard of wage war before this newest album and when I put it on I just thought it was incredibly generic and boring. Maybe people are critical not because they just hate new things but because its kind of dull? Not all hate is unwarranted, although yes the internet takes it too far.
What’s unfortunate is that they have one of the absolute best songwriters in the world as their guitarist, yet they only had one good song on the whole album in my opinion. I feel like every band in this genre does this weird thing where they make like two or three good heavy albums, then make a softer album that is hated by the masses, and then have to correct course back to heavy. If you make music for millions of people to enjoy, and the vast majority of your audience doesn’t enjoy it, you wouldn’t want that feedback? I know I would. The fans pay the bills, not Octane radio. It’s a weird take that you guys justify being honest, but seem to denounce people that have and voice a negative opinion of this album. We are consumers too, we just don’t have a YT channel.
We're not the same people throughout our lives as we grow and change. Musical artists do the same. The new release is my least favorite of WW, but there is no reason to get negative.
Alright you probably won't hear this but my opinion on the album is this. It seems like it's all over the place. No set direction or sound. Some song sound like they haven't decided which direction they want to go. I love wage war I'm getting the manic album tattooed on me. But this album is just not it for me.
People don't like it because it's "octane core". It's the same route that Architects went down. It's radio friendly music (in the sense of satellite radio aka Octane radio). They aren't experimenting. It's incorporating pop into your sound. That's an easy route to go down as pop is the most popular genre in the world. It's lazy.
The great thing about music is that it's subjective.. And the metal umbrella has very opinionated fans.. Can't please anyone. that being said, i liked all the songs individually but the album didn't flow well at all and didn't fit contextually and most of the tracks had a pretty bad emotional outcome.
I’m pretty sure Cody is genuinely responsible for at least 10% of what is currently on Octane rotation at the moment. Dude is killing it. And the ppl that aren’t fucking with WW are just the loud minority, if you didn’t check social media comments you’d be under the impression that Stigma would be AOTY contender
I’m glad you guys are pointing out the negativity the metal genre brews and negativity the album is receiving, it’s unfortunate that a lot of people don’t like this album
I love the album. All of it 🙏🎧
I'm personally a fan of the album myself, but I can also openly admit that it's not as good as the "The river, stitch, etc" era.. most just probably know how great they are at that sound, and they don't do it anymore unfortunately
I honestly agree with that statement, I did wish the album was more heavy. But, I appreciate what the band is doing now
I love this whole album so much!
This is one of my favourites from the album :D
This song gives me Abandon All Ships vibes and I love it!
I’ve listened through the whole album several times already. I really like it
It's so weird to watch you guys sitting in hoodies when I'm here in Denver in my bathing suit getting ready to take a dip in the pool. 92 degrees (F), 33 (C). It's a little toasty here. :D
It's been hot in Denver!!! I'm cooking in SE Denver. That 6000 foot altitude makes that sun hawt 🔥
I’m with them its cold where I am
A beautifully crafted tune. New album is so good!
I bloody absolutely love this song , this album is great. The old stuff , the new stuff great band
This song doesn’t blow me away necessarily, but after listening to the whole album, this is the one that got stuck in my head. I found myself coming back to listen to this one specifically.
I'm not going to hate on the album, however, I do believe it's a step back for them.
I still believe Manic is their best work and is a 10/10 from start to finish.
WIth this album, I really only liked the songs that had Cody's cleans on them and even then, those songs didn't hit as hard as the Clean songs on the Manic Record.
I did read that they've been working on this album for 3 years, so before Manic. If they believe it's their best work and they're proud of it, I'm not going to bash them for trying new things like a lot of other people are, kudos to them for doing what makes them happy.
Agreed manic was a 10 and this album isn’t bad but didn’t quite live up to the last one for me. The only songs I can truly say I dig are is this how it ends? Magnetic, Hellbent . Couple others aren’t bad but still ways away from manic 🤷🏼♂️
You said it all mate! Manic is truly their best work, a perfect mix of heavy and soft songs, plus the lyrics really get to you
Agreed. Cody is so darned talented, it's a shame to see him take a back seat vocally for quite a bit of this album. I get a lot of "night club scene at the beginning of the original Matrix movie" vibes from a lot of this album haha very 'rave metal' or something.
It's pretty silly for people to be so butthurt about a band evolving. If they didn't try new things, people would be complaining that every song sounds the same. There's no winning for these bands sometimes. Props to them for writing music that they like, and making it in an extremely difficult industry. Not every song or every album is going to resonate with every single fan, and that's ok.
Not every album has to be better than the last, it's still a good wage war album
fit for a king 2.0
As a metalcorehead, I love this whole album!
Same
I love you guys, you said what i really feel about this whole scene, although i liked the album, my favorites are still Manic and Pressure, the heavier songs of Stigma didn't win me over, but the more emotional lyrics like Blur and Hellbent, remind me of the vibe of Manic and Pressure, and that won me over!
It's sounds like they're getting ADTR's b tracks and Im' here for it
That would be a compliment if it were like 2013 ADTR. They’ve been in a bit of a drought for a while
Haven't they worked with Jeremy from ADTR though?
@@ProducerJames91 Not on this track I don't think so
@@21roy_ you mean, not on this whole album?
@@ProducerJames91 I have no idea about the rest of the album
Just like wage war, yall are the best ❤
“When it’s high-noon in Florida even the devil gets hot. There’s a reason he’s in Georgia, and not in the swamp.”Best lyric.
I know it's a different genre but have you guys checked out the new one by Kids In Glass Houses - Theme from Pink Flamingo?
I agree 100% why stay the same when you can grow as a band
Funny enough, before I fully listened to the album, I had actually watched multiple reaction videos first (I know, ass backwards). The level of negative reaction to this album had inadvertently given me a bit of unfair bias towards the album. Once I caught myself thinking so illogically, I decided to just listen to the whole thing start to finish.
This was a GREAT album. Nowhere near deserving of the negativity its getting; to mimic Johnny's point, I 100% can see if someone was not a fan of the album if they went in expecting a completely heavy album from start to finish, but having heard and experienced Cody as a singer/songwriter over the last several years, this album really showed his and the rest of the band's range and versatility. To diminish the band as a whole over some subjective experience over tracks people may/may not like is just silly. Metal/rock elitism is just musical boomer mentality. Shoutout to other bands as well such as Bad Omens and Sleep Token for really breaking the mold on what "metal" or "metalcore" is, which is an ever-evolving artistic expression of emotion and thought.
Great takes on this, great reaction gents.
they missed this vibe like five years ago when BMTH switched over with amo. Not a fan of them going this way but they can do whatever they want!
I have no issue with them trying new things, I like some of the songs. My issue is actually the fact that pretty much every song has a breakdown, some of them feel like they should have a nice solo rather than a breakdown, thats just my opinion though. Love that they're trying new stuff.
I can see both sides. There are some absolute bangers on the album, like this one but... There are some that are flat, for WW.
A lot of people I know (my wife included) can't stand heavy music and this is the stuff i can get away with.
I might get some hate for this, but this song really does sound like the band was in a blurry state while writing this one; the forced "blur-ur-ur-ur-ur" irritates the hell outta me. Rest of the record is solid. Also: new To The Grave in August babyyyyyyyy.
I'm genuinely curious whether Wage War is proud and can say they put their heart and soul in each track...i feel like the record company put a lot of pressure on the timing on this album as it didn't seem orchestrated well, nor seem to find its footing/flow in coming together as an album.
The album was finished a LONG time ago.
The guys are hella proud, as they should be. They are making the music they wanted regardless of how it’s received
My shitpost response: God this album is straight cheeks
My real response: Wage War has never been a band that pushes the envelope or tries anything no-one has ever tried before. They’ve mostly followed the popular trends in metalcore and made albums around that, but that’s okay, because they were REALLY good at writing albums like that. Blueprints/Deadweight/Pressure/most of Manic didn’t do anything different, they were just a quality version of the style that was popular at the time. Cody (and I say Cody because he has been the main songwriter for the band) was always great at writing metalcore. I just think there’s only so much you can do with a hard rock riff before it’s boring. I mean look at the new ADTR track, the new Falling in Reverse stuff, etc, the songwriting is just… there. It’s just kind of background noise. I just think the group is starting to lose steam, as hard rock is making a comeback, and frankly, they’re just not good at writing it. For me personally, the only song that grabbed my attention was the closer, because it brought back some of that riffing from earlier material that they were really good at. I could say a bunch of shitty comments about how the whole album sounds AI generated, or that it’s WWE-core at its finest, but honestly it’s just not worth it. It’s just boring. It’s not even a good attempt to keep up with this hard-rock trend. I genuinely have no desire to listen to this album again and it really seems to be the prevailing opinion.
1/10.
Im generally an octane core fan, but I just don't think this album does it well. Tombstone was awesome, the riff to end the song was awesome. I wasn't interested by anything else. I couldnt stand magnetic, and Blur isnt bad but is just so generic. I will relisten to stigma because those heavy parts you mentioned really didnt stand out to me, it did not seem heavy
Took the words right out of my mouth. Tombstone was a banger, but the rest of the album seemed like it was written for octane, when probably 4% (maybe) of WW fans even have Sirius.
STIGMA??
The album
So many gatekeepers out there. I love the new wage war album but I’m the asshole lol
Metalcore fan here: I HATE METALHEADS. I understand why people wouldnt like this song but it's bullshit to just talk shit and hate on it just cz IT DOESNT SUIT THEIR TASTE??! Such a good band, bery good song, and whoever doesnt like it can just go listen to iron maiden or smth😭
everyone gets a participation trophy!
I'd never heard of wage war before this newest album and when I put it on I just thought it was incredibly generic and boring. Maybe people are critical not because they just hate new things but because its kind of dull? Not all hate is unwarranted, although yes the internet takes it too far.
What’s unfortunate is that they have one of the absolute best songwriters in the world as their guitarist, yet they only had one good song on the whole album in my opinion.
I feel like every band in this genre does this weird thing where they make like two or three good heavy albums, then make a softer album that is hated by the masses, and then have to correct course back to heavy.
If you make music for millions of people to enjoy, and the vast majority of your audience doesn’t enjoy it, you wouldn’t want that feedback? I know I would. The fans pay the bills, not Octane radio. It’s a weird take that you guys justify being honest, but seem to denounce people that have and voice a negative opinion of this album. We are consumers too, we just don’t have a YT channel.
We're not the same people throughout our lives as we grow and change.
Musical artists do the same.
The new release is my least favorite of WW, but there is no reason to get negative.
I LOVED manic but for some reason I don't feel the need or interest to even check out this album
Alright you probably won't hear this but my opinion on the album is this. It seems like it's all over the place. No set direction or sound. Some song sound like they haven't decided which direction they want to go. I love wage war I'm getting the manic album tattooed on me. But this album is just not it for me.
Great album
People suck
How’m I first ??
People don't like it because it's "octane core". It's the same route that Architects went down. It's radio friendly music (in the sense of satellite radio aka Octane radio). They aren't experimenting. It's incorporating pop into your sound. That's an easy route to go down as pop is the most popular genre in the world. It's lazy.
The great thing about music is that it's subjective.. And the metal umbrella has very opinionated fans.. Can't please anyone.
that being said, i liked all the songs individually but the album didn't flow well at all and didn't fit contextually and most of the tracks had a pretty bad emotional outcome.
First!
I genuinely love this album, what I don't love is also the metalcore "fans" who cried when the band released Magnetic!
I’m pretty sure Cody is genuinely responsible for at least 10% of what is currently on Octane rotation at the moment. Dude is killing it. And the ppl that aren’t fucking with WW are just the loud minority, if you didn’t check social media comments you’d be under the impression that Stigma would be AOTY contender