Is this FULL TRAY Soil Blocker a Game Changer?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Soil blocking is both great for plants and hard on farmers. So does this new soil blocker design change the game? Let's break it down.
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In the 70,s a growing operation near me that had 7 acres under cover had an automatic soil blocker and air seeder , they were ahead of the game .
Protip: you can soak the rusty blocker in vinegar for a day and then hose it off with a little abrasion (maybe a scouring pad or the jet function on a hose nozzle) and it won't really be rusty anymore.
Vinegar does wonders when it comes to rust.
FYI, An anti-rust treatment like Evaporust gives a longer lasting result than vinegar.
@@ellellbee fyi that doesn't remove rust and literally any oil will prevent rust. Just use some olive oil, or vegetable oil or whatever.
I've been loving ours! I'd been moving more towards the winstrip trays the last few years, but this might be my new favorite. Something to consider about the 200 - it has the same soil volume as the 128 winstrip tray. I think you are really going to enjoy the smaller blocks once you get used to them.
Once you've packed the soil into the soil blocker you should lift the packed blocks into a clean tray. That would save you having to clean the sides out.
Great video! We spray our soil blockers with organic Pam-type spray to keep them from rusting. We've had the hand ones for over 20 years.
Thank you so much for this video! The other day I found a little nugget somewhere else, where they used the empty barrel of an old BIC pen to drop single seeds faster and more precisely into each cell. I thought that idea was brilliant and also a timesaver. Load it up, bump the open back against the palm of your hand and with the index finger gently tapping the tip drop the seeds. :D Thought you might find it useful. Thanks again for the wonderful information you are sharing with us!
Shoutout to the bench knife doing duty as a soil scraper! I use those to divide dough. 😊I'm just a backyard gardener so I'll likely never need a soil blocker, but I still appreciate the time and effort you're willing to put into trialing this kind of equipment and sharing the results to help other growers.
I love soil block videos, it seems like most garden channels now barely cover it and prefer to push their own seed starting trays that they make or sell(or just push affiliate linked trays). After blocking(for home use) for a couple years now I strongly prefer it
This has been our first year finally trying soil blocks after a couple years of wanting to cannot believe the difference. Thanks for another great Sunday morning Jesse your awesome
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It reminds me of the old ice cube trays. Too expensive for my small homestead/mini CSA, but wow, I Love that. I always use my fingers to push the soil into the blocker at the end, to make sure they are totally full, so this would be a huge timesaver. And I've always wished there was something between the mini 1/2" maker and the 1.5" maker. The mini is just so small, the seeds are always rolling off the top. Somebody really needs to come out with a 1" blocker with deeper holes.
That is exactly what I thought, the old aluminum ice cube trays. I might try this with ice cube trays, but still would have to poke holes for seeds which would take time, or just lay on top and poke it in with a pencil or dibbler? Wish they were less expensive also, but putting on my wish list :)
@@sn232 I'm very inexperienced with this stuff yet, so maybe this wouldn't work, but couldn't one build a dibbler thing out of like 1/2in. board and lil tiny furniture feet ( like the size one might find on the bottom of a jewelry box or other small item) or dowel sections. To whatever specs you need. Obviously, making it would take awhile, and u may have to use linseed oil now n then to protect it, but I'm thinking that some partnership with a local high-school shop class, a 4H or homeschool kid or group project, scout's woodworking project...maybe get some kids to make it for you/me... ! Could be interesting and inspirational for them, so, a win-win !
Couldn't you just load the swift blocker in a separate solid bottomed tray, or even on a table top, wipe off the sides of the swift blocker, and THEN place it into your planting trays to empty? That way you avoid the time of scraping out the excess soil on the inside sides of your planting tray? They do look amazingly uniform!
was thinking the same. maybe some fall out?
That's what I've been doing. Load it flat on my table, then lift it into the tray to press out
Yeah someone else suggested that as well. It's worth a shot as long as the mix is not too wet, the blocks should stay in place.
That's the first thing I thought as well. Maybe build a solid tray form. To help speed up scraping the tops and eliminate the excess on the sides.
Depending on the stability of your wheelbarrow, you could load the bottom tray on a board resting across the wheelbarrow directly, letting you scrape any excess from the tray (and the board between trays) directly back into the pile. All in all, gives me a strong "brick pit scene" vibe from _The Ten Commandments._
When you're talking about corrosion back there the new equipment is stainless steel so it won't rust (unless it's a poor grade), but your old blocker was galvanised, that's why it rusted.
His book is totally worth it! If your on the fence about buying it just do yourself and your garden a favor and buy it.
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ProSoilblocker in Europe makes a 136 blocks version for 1020 trays
Good to know!
I love your humour. Thank u for that.
Great product it definitely makes my decision making easier
Thanks
Hands down the best video. Your narration sir, it is on point and hilarious. Even kept me from skipping to 7:15 or whatever, I watched it all and am convinced I need to begin soil blocking, probably not on this level yet, but I watched it all regardless. Nice work.
I absolutely love this idea! In addition to a 128, I reckon there’s a need for a 48 or 52 (~2” blocks) with square dibblers for up-blocking minis
You Can't Eat the Grass channel with Ian & Serina, have a flower bouquet business in Canada, & use soil blocks for thousands of seeds. It's a modern miracle to quickly make blocks.
I'm about ready to commit to buying one for production next year.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
It looks good.😊
You should do it! I'm loving mine so far
@@YouCantEatTheGrass So funny you answered!
Have a great day.
Thank Jes for sharing your information and videos.
I think it's incredibly cool that they're already making a 128 - they liked your suggestion =D
Heard about these a few years ago in my soil block group on Facebook - so cool to actually see it in action
A round headed screw, washers and a nut will replace the lost dibbles nicely. That's what we used.
I’ve been fawning over these. That will likely persist considering funds spent towards other garden investments.
A 128 option has my vote, too!
I tried blockers, gave them a solid shot. But when I evaluated my operation, I wasnt wasting plastic from the trays because we purchased durable trays which were reused many times, and could crank out tray making at a much higher clip..maybe 10 fold faster. Laid out around 20 trays on the seeding bench, used a shovel to fill them up, wipe, press with a tray mold, refill, wipe off excess soil, dibble and then vacuum seed. The blocks just take too long and you are still using plastic, albeit half the amount of plastic. I also found too often the blocks slowed harvest down, when cell roots connect. We also ran a single wheel water transplanter and they cells were stronger in the trays. But man I love your commitment!
What trays are you using? Any recommendations?
Dang! 200 at a time. I like it
Ex-NASCAR tire changer; I could hit 5-lug nuts in .4 seconds. Took me years to stop trying to do everything at max potential. Do they offer a slow-blocker for recovering min/max people like me, such as a Robin to distract from the task?
Y'all be well, stay safe, and thank you!
Ha ! " The struggle is real".. . I'm a former dairy farmer ( with my Dad/family) and our farm & family had some extra, extra financial and otherwise hard times during my teens n 20s. I was the oldest there during that era ( have an older sis, 'nother story) and my many little siblings were still very little or being born, so, me and my next down sibling, brother, were the work-force. My mom drove tractor a lot too. I was main barn-area person during 3 seasons and we had a farm stretched out on a ridge, too. So busy, some of those years are still just a blur. Anyways, we practically ran everywhere, some years. I was so used to looking at the time, trying to keep things rolling (milking on no more than a 12 hour schedule matters for milk production)..I became addicted to looking ta my watch, then it broke ( coming between a slamming cow and pipe will do that to even a reliable $12 K-mart Casio... RIP, sweet friend !). I wasn't able to get to town to get another right away ( & we did have a clock in the middle of the barn) and then gave it to my brother when he needed it suddenly and more. So, I gradually broke my obsession, and while my ability to manage well suffered slightly, I was able to start ton relax a tad. Once I quit farming, I also learned that not everyone does their job at a fast walk... little annoying a times... but also nice to also not have others expecting that to be normal. It's not and it shouldn't be ! IMO :) . At times, yeah. Not being a slow-poke or shovel-leaner, sure. Plz. But not taking a pushing hard during a seasonal peak, or during hard time, and making that a 365 normal and holding everyone to that ! Burning out people's adrenals.. . Anyways, I have some understanding, I think, and hope you're recovering, without losing the cool skills ( incl. the gitRdone mindset) too much !
Are you presoaking seeds in compost extract or tea? Putting a few drops down during planting? If not, it will greatly increase your yields, plant health, and soil health.
For some seeds yes. We did a recent video on seed priming in fact 👍
I created something extremely close to this idea 2 years ago and 3D printed it out! Mine was 1/2 a tray at a time.
Wondering ... ( my husband's nephew has one and they're both very good at making things with metal), did you make the top part like seen here ? And if so, did you do dibblers, too ? If so, how so ? Thanks !
Really hoping for a full paper-pot tray model sometime in the future. A 128 (~1 3/8") for my basil starts would be perfect. A 78 block (~1 7/8") for block-uppable tomatoes, peppers, and cucurbits would be dandy too.
A sliver of wood between the blocker and the tray would eliminate the amount of soil down the sides. Lots of scraping, wouldn't dropping the tray be helpful to reduce the need to press in the soil. Ideally it would be more like print screen printing, one movement removing the soil from the tray. I think Steve Larson visited Mexico to see how blocking was done originally and posted on Instagram. It would be interested to see blocking done in situ, prepared soil over clay perhaps. I only say this because this year our seeds were started in using sifted soil covered in sifted woodchip and they are the best seedlings I've every grown. The soil was from the chicken run and the chips were over 12 months old. Great product, great video ❤
Hey Jessie, I've been lurking for a few weeks now, I'm from an agricultural worker family and want to have a home stead (small holding here in the UK) with market garden to support it.
I am also very interested in regenerative, no till and organic approach.
You and several others have been inspirational in helping me get a business plan from just in my head to getting something that I can give to potential land leasers and even the dreaded finance people 😮.
Unfortunately I couldn't get your book from your site but it arrived earlier this week looking forward to digesting it.
Thank you
I would love to take a couple trays of different blocked soil and really try to measure the variance in block weight. You could analytically tell which blocker provides the most uniform results!
I don't think so? The mix is loose but it doesn't fall out super easy unless is too wet. I think the plunger part is kinda necessary
Sorry just seeing this nearly a year later. I was meaning at some point you showed that are different in size and hard to precision seed. You could also analyze this by weight. It's a boring trial but if you did a couple trays with each blocker type and then weigh each block individually you can measure how precise each one is.
Overkill? Definitely. Worth it? For a shout-out yes 😅
Never seen these before but they are very similar to gel-capsule makers. We make our own turmeric capsules just like this process.
Funny you say that. Did they make those capsule makers illegal? Can’t find them on eBay but tell our customers it’s the best to maintain purity for their turmeric in pill form
I love the multi 35. Your slamming technique is different ... from a standing position you can put your whole body weight behind it, I find it makes very even blocks.
We've done both. the slamming method has just done well for us to quickly and evenly fill the blocks.
Omg- looks like it’s so much easier on your hands too!
Absolutely - my employee is quite thankful for these.
Hey Jessie, I've been lurking for a few weeks now, I'm from an agricultural worker family and want to have a home stead (small holding here in the UK) with market garden to support it.
I am also very interested in regenerative, no till and organic approach.
You and several others have been inspirational in helping me get a business plan from just in my head to getting something that I can give to potential land leasers and even the dreaded finance people 😮.
Unfortunately I couldn't get your book from your site but it arrived earlier this week looking forwcard to digesting it.
Thank you
Try dusting the bottom of the top Swift blocker. It will release much easier. You could use lime, flour, diatomaceous earth.
try filling your base on the table with the soil mix pressed in tight, and then lifting up and into the tray. this may eliminate the side glob issue in the trays.
That is kinda badass! Thanks for sharing.
Another follow-up: could they just make the cover press and mould one piece, and then you just press the full contraption into soil and gently shake the blocks loose?
Just thought of an idea: to exact the soil usage and make for a quick easy scrape for the trays you could fill the tray perfectly all around then measure the volume in a measuring cup to know the exact amount to add each time, maybe adding slightly more and thus having a smaller amount to scrape out. I don’t know if this is time consuming enough to make that change and when doing hundreds of flats I know every movement can count in production. Let me know what you think!
Maybe something like that could be figured out but even little bits of scraps can get caught so 🤷
(10"x20"x.75")/12³ is a little over a half gallon of soil mix. Nerd
Just now learning about soil blocking and thinking this might be a better investment than the hand blocker
Thanks for the video!
Great video as always. As someone who loves wins trip trays I always get a headache looking at people making soil blocks like this. I get that it is different for everyone but oof it makes my head hurt! Kudos to you for having the will power
I get it. We've tried both pretty extensively and I still prefer soil blocks for our system. Only place we use winstrips now is cucurbits for root separation
@@notillgrowers What do you mean about root separation? To keep them from going into the other soil blocks you would have made for them if you did that instead of the winstrips? Would love to know, and good to know :)
Did you notice any more blocks rooting into each other? Theyre so closely laid together I could see roots hopping that gap easier
Had the same thought. Blocks are VERY close
Can you "up block" your starts to the next size with the swift system the way you can with other soil blockers?
Very cool body cam footage
Thanks for the reminder that I'm awesome. 😉 I am really excited about these because as a petite woman with an autoimmune disease that affects my hands, I really struggle with the hand held soil blocker I bought. Hubby has no issues with it, at least at first. That said, we haven't used it a ton because its a friction point for us both. This seems like a better system. Would you say it would be easier to use for people with hand issues like arthritis?
I can't believe I didn't think of that
That's brilliant!
We would love a 50. We do most of our crops in the Johnny's stand up 12. Gives us 50 per tray...but we are definitely considering a 72
Great job
I'm green with envy 😀😀
Thanks!
thank YOU 🙌
Sad that I already spent so much money on the stand up soil blocker last year. This looks like a vast improvement in time and especially space when nursery space is very limited. Too expensive for me to try out right now. Thanks for the video!
though now that I've watched to the end and you made the point about the 200 tray making blocks a bit too small...hmm. Let us know how lettuce compares in each size!
Yeah, sometimes I like the slightly larger blocks too because that adds a little more soil mix to he garden--it's sort of part of our fertility system.
Awesome Awesome!
Great info thanks!
Talk about streamlining the process....efficiency is key
I'm assuming the blocks don't fall out unless you're actively pushing them out with the dibler. Wouldnt it then be easier to make the blocks on a plywood sheet or something and then lift them into the tray and push them out? That way you dont have to clean the trays from excess dirt.
Love the hobo gloves bro! Respect dude!
You would think they would use a stainless steel fastener with a large head to replace all the little rubber dibblers.
I don't know enough about these things but maybe that adds a greater expense?
@@notillgrowers oh I’m sure there are factors that make the rubber a good choice. But everybody likes options.
Fill and press the blocks _outside_ of the tray; pick up the filled frame and put into the tray and _then_ press out the blocks: no stray soil the clean out of the plastic tray!
That's an interesting idea, though I'd be curious if all the blocks would hold when you pick it up. Sometimes it may be too wet
@@notillgrowers I guess that that might happen. If it does maybe try turning/twisting the frame back and forth and then _sliding_ it off the table to break any vacuum instead of just lifting it directly.
Thanks for the review, have been considering these. I do personally like the hand held -20 mini soil blocker as it allows for greater real estate in a small green house (9’x13’; intentional for heat saving purposes) and don’t feel as bad when a seed fails to germinate (have yet to try seed priming, will watch next). Also like the amount of seeds I can start quickly, up to 17,280 not that I do since they’ll need to be up-blocked and/or sphered-up (coining terms), but even the 1.5” or 2” blocks mostly likely need to be anyway. Would like to know the dimensions of both the 200 and 72 (the website does not mention)? since I use fiberglass trays, and want to make sure they fit. I like the lightness, sturdiness and shallower sides of the trays as they allow for more air flow, ease of bottom watering, and have noted they don’t cause algal growth. What I do like about the trays is the center space/divide between the two columns of minis that allow for a wider watering “canal” (for lack of a better term) as to avoid top watering these minis, as you mentioned; they tend to crumble more readily. I do use a mister for tea, but just don’t have the time to water-mist daily. So, the swift spacer may be useful in this case. Lastly, do you know if the 75 comes with dibblers to fit the 200? It would make this that much sweeter! Or future accessory(ies)?
This last question (I promise) is regarding cover crop sowing. May seem silly but, the book nor vlogs have mentioned how you sow cover crops? I’ve been using a mini grass broadcast seeder, which is for the most part effective, then lightly rake to cover. But have been considering the Jang double shoe for this??? Your expertise is greatly valued and appreciated! Anyways, I feel like you…rambling. Thanks a bunch and happy soil stewarding 🌱
I've been using an Earthway seeder for cover crops and have been happy with the results. Better germination than broadcast and rake. There was a SARE funded study on using the Earthway for cover crops that has a chart with the proper plate to use for each crop (which honestly, was the same plate for most things).
For cover crops yeah we use the earthway or hang depending on the situation and the seed. If it's a broadcast situation, we'll just use our hands to broadcast the seed, then rake it lightly, and press the seeds in with a roller.
I don't have the exact measurements in front of me. I would just write them? The dibblers are interchangeable 👍
Interesting
I found that letting the blocking mix hydrate overnight or longer helped the packing.
The biggest drawback I see for this product is the hand strength it takes to compress and remove the blocker.
The euro vw e bus comes in a larger commercial option. Hope they offer camper add ons.
great content
Hey J, do you find that this leaves soil blocks too close together leading to seeds rooting into neighboring blocks? Curious if that creates problems with breakage when you go to separate them?
I'm curious as well!
I mean it happens a little bit so we don't start cucurbits in soil blocks like this, but mostly it's fine. Never been a huge problem for us
4:52 Would you say you want the potting media a bit above field capacity, in terms of saturation?
Not sure if we will ever go with a Soil Blocker as we are not into the "bigger" production like you are? Then I can also see many advantages for others like you. We kind of like the laid back and slowly relaxing way we get our seeds going!
I'm only a home-use grower so far, and I love my soil blocker. For all the reasons soil blocks are beneficial, preferable to most other methods ( watch Jesse's older videos on that) and space saving/maximizing for my seedling area, too. Obviously, getting even a cheapest one may not be in the budget/immediately worth it to many folks, but just sayin', even for those of us not doing them by the hundreds, they can be a worthy investment. I had little $, and so went with the size I though would be best for me, the 2 in. , in handheld, makes 4 at a time. That was before I saw how Jesse "up-pots" by hand into what he calls "soil balls" I think.. and how well that seems to work. I now wish I'd gotten the mini instead. That was also before I'd realized how much I guess I did want to start early, indoors. Like more flowers and herbs to interplant with, among other things ( I usually had learned to prefer direct sowing above all, it's so much easier than trying to learn to not kill, damage, etc. indoor seedlings... but I'm learning and also finally am making a cattle-panel hoop-house/greenhouse ). I'm in zone 4 WI btw. .
@@ajb.822 Thank You for the share. We have a smaller garden. Probably about 6,000 square feet. So like this year we are going to raise 34 tomato plants. Then doing corn in this method is not a good idea from all that I have read. If we did get a soil blocker, most likely it would be the one doing four at a time. I do agree as to potting up because we almost always do. Another "drawback" is that our grow light system and so forth is all set up in a specific manner. Which means that we have a lot of trays to start the seedlings.
Yes as we are always learning as well. I do know that we will be purchasing a heat map for next Spring or even possibly to use for the fall planting. Does this learning process ever end? We are in Zone 7, Southern New Mexico. That said the weather has been so unpredictable. It was in the upper 30's this morning and tomorrow a high in the 80's. Again, Thank You for sharing!
One of these days I want to try soil blocking, but my plastic trays from 3 years ago are still holding on for the time being
Awesome
Hello, I am curious what is the thickness of the stainless steel walls of the structure pls?
Good morning Jesse.
Drink more coffee.
Respect from Africa 🇿🇦
O yes nice video.
Saw this soil blocker from @youcanteatthegrass , Have a wonderful week:)
I had a lot of trouble with my swiftblocker size 6x12. I am a super senior, so the weight was a problem for me. However it has to be that heavy or it would be too flimsy, thus that is my problem, not swiftblockers. I had problems getting a good moisture in my mix. It was too wet in parts and not wet enough in others unless I mixed it forever thus taking a lot of time and negating the benefit of making many blocks at once. Lifting the top tray was too hard and I only had one semi successful tray out of at least 6 tries. This was probably a problem of getting the right moisture and how much I packed it. Possibly a younger person after many tries could use the swiftblocker. I am going to try the winstrip system as it sounds better for me. I am sure that it will not be as simple as it sounds, but I need something easier for me than swiftblocker. Also winstrip will not rust and Conor says he has never had to wash or sanitize his winstrips thus saving time. If winstrip does not work for me, I will go back to my 3 oz cups with the bottom cut out but then I can only get 36 cups per tray instead of 72 which I do not like. Wish me luck with the winstrip trays. I will try to post a result.
@No-Till Growers Have you tried the standing block maker with the tray on a clean hard surface on the ground? It looks like it would save you a lot of time from the video?
Jesse, what’s your experience with transplanting the 200’s? We’re finding that there’s a bit too little soil volume in them, even for lettuce, so we’re basically transplanting bare roots. Would love it if they made a 100 block version. Until then I’ll keep experimenting with it but am not quite ready to give up the 35 blocker.
Oh we've actually enjoyed it so far! We can hold and plant multiple blocks with one hand, which speeds things up. That said, it may be about the soil prep and conditions. Not sure. We've only done a couple rounds, too, so check back with me in a month or so.
Game changer
I’m glad that someone is at least trying to make that process easier and quicker. I think the only thing that can truly make it faster are robots. I find it odd to have written that, but it’s also very real which makes it very awkward.
Hi, what do you think about using a metal table with a vibrator motor connected..
8:19 plus it seems like you “wasted” quite a bit of compost. 😂
Sounds like I need to get one, but I use 128 a lot though
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Also w soda pop
Some of the cells seem quite united with the adjacent ones. Does air pruning actually happens?
Oh yeah, same as with any soil blocker.
:: crossing fingers :: Here’s to your 2025 VW! 😆
How do you get the first blocks out of a 200 tray without destroying block?
Oh that parts easy. The roots bind the blocks together.
Can I just say watching you fill those trays was pretty intense and now I feel lazy
For new homesteaders:
1. What is soil blocking?
2. Is this for specific seeds or crops
3. Why should we use this method vs other methods?
I'd recommend going to his previous videos which cover all that. If not on their own playlist ( I don't recall), use the TH-cam search bar : " No-till growers soil blocks
Nice video! A bit off topic, what ever happened to Josh Sattin? Is he still part of No Till Growers?
Oh I think Josh is just focusing on his cinematography stuff. He has a whole channel dedicated to it now
@@notillgrowers so he’s still farming but not making videos on it?
It would be nice if they would make the dibble portion so that it could be a vacuum tray as well and then you could kill two birds with one stone. Perhaps that something you could recommend
If I added mods to the design it would be making dibblers that were more accentuated for deeper penetration and have a better fitting mechanism so they dont pop off. Put a hole through the dibbler with an open funnel design at the top side of the plate and a tube to connext the funnel opening that feeds into the dibbler...
The funnels fit on the pressure plate means you wouldnt have to be as tedious with the seed placement.
It would give you a large area to just toss the seed in instead of acting like you are sewing while youre sowing 🤣
Need to go to Lowe Depot and get some 1/4" mesh. Nail it on to a wooden box with bottom taken off and sift your soil. I think your tray with sides is complicating the process.
I think you can prolly oil it and put it in the oven so it can have some nonstick property and be a lil rust resistant lmao.
I'm asking myself if in general you're getting too much anaerobic conditions in those super wet blocks.
Not that I've seen, but it's all about starting with a good soil mix. It has to have a decent aeration element
@@notillgrowers Did you check under a microscope after some time?
Is there a way to watch this channel in ‘English’ only? I use to enjoy the channel, now takes me twice the time to watch a video
Wait what language are you getting it in? You should be able to change your settings if it's automatically dubbing it.
@@notillgrowers if does both English and Spanish. It will do one for a spot and then then the other for that segment
So i am interested in these soil blockers. However is there a way to make the soil without peat OR coco coir? I mean i am looking for true sustainable methods and that means i need to source it from my region. I dont wish to add things to my plant production tha requires the material to travel have way across the country let alone the world. I live in the middle of the US so not alot of coconut growing here. Anyone have any suggestions?
Some people are using grain-hulls. you could search for that? Not sure about folks in your region.
Is dibbler a technical term?
I have no idea but it kinda works right? haha
Are you saying you would rather 72 soilblock, than 72 windstrip? I thought everyone was raving about those high dollar trays? Like it was something to aspire to??
Yeah, I'm not a huge fan. We still use them a bit, but I find loading them and keeping them moist to both be exceedingly difficult in our system. We sold most of ours. I've got a video about it.