Every time I need to understand something about archery for my kids this is now the go-to place. Perfectly explained. Very grateful for all your effort.
First I would like to say how much I enjoy your videos! This video would be more useful if you showed how to fine tune the plunger: 1) how far out should it be and 2) how do you adjust stiffness.
I've decided for myself that I'm better off with several "colour-coded" Shibuya plungers than one Beiter. They are very nicely made, and spare tips can be easily bought (if needed, they are durable). Switching from indoor to outdoor arrows becomes just a matter of simple arrow rest adjustment. While Beiters do have some marks to set up tension they still have to be adjusted for correct arrow offset and basically be tuned again.
I personally prefer a button with an all metal tip...those rubber head ones come off and you can't replace the tip once you lose it meaning if you make a mistake and the fletching hits the cushion not only to you shred the fletching but good luck finding the tip on the grass. So yeah bit of free advice for beginners go for the one with an all metal head unless you like buying more buttons or at least thats my opinion.
i've just been recommended by my club to get my plunger fitted along with a new arrow rest, we noticed the plastic rest was cutting into the fletchings as the arrow left the bow. we have tried to tune the bow but now this is the next stage on eliminating the issue.
Hey mate, Thanks for this video it's just what i was after - Appreciate it. Also going of what Iain Thornton said, I doubt bow crafting is beyond your ability, I was curious about it and met a guy who is now teaching me to make my own traditional flat bow out of spotted gum, whiles its hard to get the hang of, its not too difficult. Cheers.
Hello sensei..can you help me to give info about size bolt plunger standar..and distance (in cm) of plunger hole from floor of window? Because i try to make riser from wood (DIY) for my son but i dont have real sample, especially for mounting accessories. And the second what are sizes 2 bolt for Sight mounting + distance between 2 bolt mounting sight. Thanks a lot 🙏
Excellent video on cushion plungers. I'll be checking out more of your channel. I shoot fingers, however on a compound, (Martin Scepter V, & a Mathews Apex 8) after watching this, I've discovered my NAP low profile cushion plunger was sticking, the tube was bent. I have narrowed my search to the mid- range plungers for now A Spigarelli click button, Cartel Midas plus, X-Spot Deluxe, Cartel Midas MX, and a Cartel NX.. I'm leaning towards the X-spot, only because I've seen bad reviews about the Cartels. what sort of arrow rest ( support arm) would be most effective with a compound? ( center cut ). centershot for me is about 11/16th to 3/4 out from the inside of the riser. thank you
There's nothing really out there that's catching my eye. The hoodies are all the same now and there isn't much AC4 stuff out other than a few belts. I'm more or less done with Ubiworkshop merchandise for now.
You often talk about vibration causing screws to fall off. Have you tried Loctite 222 (purple)? The blue and red will keep it from ever moving but purple is for this kind of thing.
Your videos are awesome! I do have kind of a general question though. For a beginner (6 months in) who is planning the future step up from beginners barebow to olympic recurve, would there be any point in skiping the "upgrading in steps" and just going for the high end stuff? I'm thinking accessories like sights, plunger and so on?
If i have bow without plunger and in my group i have arrows 2inch far from each other and i will shoot perfectli same with plunger, will be there some differece in the grouping?
Excellent video! Thank you for posting! My 30+ year old Berry Button finally broke, and now I'm in the market for a plunger. Question for you, do you see any issues with using NON permanent Loc-Tite on the set screws to keep them in place?
Pls help me I bought a cheap armex bow and it came with a pressure button that has no spring it just hard and it's just sold an also has an arrow rest to but its a solid plunger at first I thought it was a sight lol sorry but please advise me lol very great full thanks
It would make increased accuracy easier. But so would a compound bow with a scope and stabilizers. I don't think easier accuracy due to more complicated equipment would make me happier.
With my new bow, I received a complementary plunger button. But it also came with this metal bulb looking thing that has a screw on the other end. I have no idea what it is and I can't find any information on it online. I can't seem to screw it into the plunger. My best guess as that it's supposed to screw somewhere into the riser but I don't know where. Do you have any idea of what I'm talking about, what it is, and where it should go?
have you ever heard of Debut? I have seen there equipment lately and thinking of getting a plunger from them. they are cheap in price, but not sure about how good they are.
Bows don't need plungers at all. What plungers offer is fine tuning. A trad bow can shoot fine without a plunger, but you need to be more selective with your shafts or accept that it's not going to be perfectly tuned.
If buying new, they generally aren't included. However, I often see used risers going on sale on eBay with both the plunger, rest and clicker included.
I just ordered a beiter and am waiting for it in the post. I've heard that it comes with three springs with varying tensions. How will I know which spring to use?
Use the one that is already installed, and only change if you feel like you really need to change the tension beyond what you can already adjust (if you are doing serious tuning).
Are plungers some kind of magnetic to hold the Arrow in place? Or does the Arrow just fall off if you hold the bow sideways? I would like to know because I am thinking of changing my Arrow rest. Atm I am using a compound bow Arrow rest because it holds the Arrow in place but I think it causes accuracy issues.
They're not magnetic, the arrow falls off if you hold the bow sideways. I would expect clearance problems with using a compound rest on a recurve / longbow.
@@eslixgaming756 I couldn't help answering the question, in case it was helpful to someone else. Has spending all that money resulted in a bow that brings you more joy, or just made it easier to get smaller groups?
@@DarxusC i slowly upgraded over time. Switched between recurve and compound a few times. Eventually switched to compound permanently. I noticed my score increased a little bit when I bought a more expensive stabilizer, scope and arrow rest. But the biggest increase was when i got better arrows. Arrows are definitely worth to invet in. When I eventually bought my 1500$ bow I shot my PR the first time I shot it. So yes, equipment matters to an extend. Ofcourse you have to have good form for equipment to do its job. Also I have more joy because its a beautiful bow.
I am still having to shoot disabled and need my Hoyt Target Compound Bow but I still have and shoot my Hoyt Formula Recurve and I use only the best and I can say if your going to be competing just save like he said and get the best you can buy these plungers do make a different's
I often get conflicting answers on how to set up the centershot of a plunger. It's either 'arrow completely center' or 'arrow slightly pointing left'. Would you explain this for me please? Thanks.
Due to the flex of the arrow and displacement of the string, it is conventional to have the arrow slightly pointing left (for a RH shooter) in order to attain the right tune.
Man I hate to say it but this is the third video where you said you lost a nut or screw,,,,you should look into threadlocker I use the Loctite blue dont get the red,,,,
You're more than just an archer :) don't be so hard on yourself also you could just decorate a bow or something I've made my own bows and I'm 12 I also have the attention span of a 7 year old XD so I bet you could do it :) also you could try PVC bows like backyardbowyer.
This stuff kills me, you don't need a frickin plunger!! I've shot archery for a number of years and have been extremely consistent. In fact it's more satisfying to be accurate and consistent without all of the junk hanging off my bow. Seems like someone somewhere decided more money needed to be made on accessories so they come up with all of that crap. Instead of a person putting in the time and practice needed to be accurate and consistent. Every one wants good results ASAP, result of the lazy man's world. I bet if you took an English Archer from 1500 years ago and put that guy up against that fancy plungerised bow I bet he'd put that to shame and be just as accurate. Why, because his life depended on it, depended on practice, dedication and time.
And the best English archer from a thousand years ago would not be able to match an average competitive archer in a test of accuracy and precision. You say that you are extremely consistent. What is your qualifying score on a standard 70/720 round? No modern barebow archer comes close to that quality of shooting, let alone a historical archer with far more variables in their technique and equipment. Look past the romanticised view of archer and recognise the diverging pathways of archery: a modern archery does it for sport and uses more precision equipment to attain a level far beyond what is achievable without. Nor does modern equipment replace skill - a bad archer with precision equipment is still going to shoot worse than a skilled barebow shooter. No item acts as a crutch. If you are more satisfied with shooting traditional, that's great. That's exactly why many people enjoy it. But if you're claiming that you can be as consistent in the same style of archer practised by modern sport archers, feel free to prove it.
Every time I need to understand something about archery for my kids this is now the go-to place. Perfectly explained. Very grateful for all your effort.
Man if you want something explained clearly this is the guy. All the other videos have just left me with more questions. Great job.
You are saving me so much time and headaches as I sort out what to even make of getting into recurve target archery. Great job with all these videos.
Your videos will help me look less of a noob when I go to the range for the first time. Very informative. Thanks!
First I would like to say how much I enjoy your videos! This video would be more useful if you showed how to fine tune the plunger: 1) how far out should it be and 2) how do you adjust stiffness.
Your method of explanation is really good. Bravo
Could u do a video on how to put on a new arrow rest properly and configure with the pressure button
I still have no idea what a plunger on a bow is for. How about showing one in actual use?
I've decided for myself that I'm better off with several "colour-coded" Shibuya plungers than one Beiter. They are very nicely made, and spare tips can be easily bought (if needed, they are durable). Switching from indoor to outdoor arrows becomes just a matter of simple arrow rest adjustment. While Beiters do have some marks to set up tension they still have to be adjusted for correct arrow offset and basically be tuned again.
thank you i was wondering what that threaded hole in my riser was for.
Thanks for the helpful video. Just got my first bow, and was wondering what the plunger was used for, and now I know!
Very interesting, thanks for the full explanation of how a plunger works. =)
I personally prefer a button with an all metal tip...those rubber head ones come off and you can't replace the tip once you lose it meaning if you make a mistake and the fletching hits the cushion not only to you shred the fletching but good luck finding the tip on the grass.
So yeah bit of free advice for beginners go for the one with an all metal head unless you like buying more buttons or at least thats my opinion.
i've just been recommended by my club to get my plunger fitted along with a new arrow rest, we noticed the plastic rest was cutting into the fletchings as the arrow left the bow. we have tried to tune the bow but now this is the next stage on eliminating the issue.
That's way beyond my abilities -- you're looking at some rather advanced woodworking or metalworking. I'm just an archer.
Brilliant. I didn't know what this was for. now I am off to buy one with a good idea of what one is right for me. THANKS! subbed
Never even heard of an archery plunger...and I've been to two archery ranges where I've taken basic instruction!
Thanks though :-)
Hey mate, Thanks for this video it's just what i was after - Appreciate it.
Also going of what Iain Thornton said, I doubt bow crafting is beyond your ability, I was curious about it and met a guy who is now teaching me to make my own traditional flat bow out of spotted gum, whiles its hard to get the hang of, its not too difficult. Cheers.
would Love to see you making a video about All those arrowrest.
from the Small that sticks on... to the One you Put in s
with a screw. 😀
Hello sensei..can you help me to give info about size bolt plunger standar..and distance (in cm) of plunger hole from floor of window? Because i try to make riser from wood (DIY) for my son but i dont have real sample, especially for mounting accessories. And the second what are sizes 2 bolt for Sight mounting + distance between 2 bolt mounting sight. Thanks a lot 🙏
Excellent video on cushion plungers. I'll be checking out more of your channel.
I shoot fingers, however on a compound, (Martin Scepter V, & a Mathews Apex 8)
after watching this, I've discovered my NAP low profile cushion plunger was sticking, the tube was bent. I have narrowed my search to the mid- range plungers for now
A Spigarelli click button, Cartel Midas plus, X-Spot Deluxe, Cartel Midas MX, and a Cartel NX.. I'm leaning towards the X-spot, only because I've seen bad reviews about the Cartels. what sort of arrow rest ( support arm) would be most effective with a compound? ( center cut ). centershot for me is about 11/16th to 3/4 out from the inside of the riser. thank you
There's nothing really out there that's catching my eye. The hoodies are all the same now and there isn't much AC4 stuff out other than a few belts. I'm more or less done with Ubiworkshop merchandise for now.
You often talk about vibration causing screws to fall off. Have you tried Loctite 222 (purple)? The blue and red will keep it from ever moving but purple is for this kind of thing.
Excellent explanation! Very helpful! Thanks!
Your videos are awesome!
I do have kind of a general question though. For a beginner (6 months in) who is planning the future step up from beginners barebow to olympic recurve, would there be any point in skiping the "upgrading in steps" and just going for the high end stuff? I'm thinking accessories like sights, plunger and so on?
The only factor is money. Otherwise, if you can afford a good kit, go straight for it. There's no need to advance through all the price points.
+NUSensei Thank you, that actually makes things a lot clearer :)
If i have bow without plunger and in my group i have arrows 2inch far from each other and i will shoot perfectli same with plunger, will be there some differece in the grouping?
Excellent video! Thank you for posting! My 30+ year old Berry Button finally broke, and now I'm in the market for a plunger. Question for you, do you see any issues with using NON permanent Loc-Tite on the set screws to keep them in place?
Pls help me I bought a cheap armex bow and it came with a pressure button that has no spring it just hard and it's just sold an also has an arrow rest to but its a solid plunger at first I thought it was a sight lol sorry but please advise me lol very great full thanks
That's what I ordered from my brother abroad a plunger but the one that he sent is the plunger that you use for the toilet bowl
I’m shooting 25# “Sage” design bow with the Bear weatherrest. Will I benefit from a plunger (and a different elevated rest, obviously)?
It would make increased accuracy easier. But so would a compound bow with a scope and stabilizers. I don't think easier accuracy due to more complicated equipment would make me happier.
What's the term people used when they refer to a sticky plunger?
What was the first name of a Plunger?
why doesnt compound bow uses plunger?
Compound bows (with a release aid) don't have the same variation in lateral movement from a finger release, so there's no need for a buffer.
With my new bow, I received a complementary plunger button. But it also came with this metal bulb looking thing that has a screw on the other end. I have no idea what it is and I can't find any information on it online. I can't seem to screw it into the plunger. My best guess as that it's supposed to screw somewhere into the riser but I don't know where. Do you have any idea of what I'm talking about, what it is, and where it should go?
Sounds like the clicker extension.
Interesting. I'll look into that. Thank you.
I want to know is my plunger tune or not?
how I can tune it?
thanks by regard
have you ever heard of Debut? I have seen there equipment lately and thinking of getting a plunger from them. they are cheap in price, but not sure about how good they are.
Hades decut makes great products
what type of arrow rest that should be used with plunger? what best between magnetic, plastic, etc?
Either can be used fine.
Question - How come most traditional bows don't need a plunger? Is it because of the distance? TIA~
Bows don't need plungers at all. What plungers offer is fine tuning. A trad bow can shoot fine without a plunger, but you need to be more selective with your shafts or accept that it's not going to be perfectly tuned.
@@NUSensei - Thank you!! 💟 Always learning from your channel 🥰
I have about 1/4 of an inch of plastic left on the tip pf my plunger. Would it effect my groupings and will I need to purchase a new one?
LegitimatelyAxeL as long as the tip is still: “ l ” it is still good but if the tip is: “ ) “ get a new one
i still dont really understand, what is the point of this object when an arrow rest serves as the same thing right?
The plunger acts as a buffer for the arrow. This allows for much finer tuning and cleaner clearance than without one.
The plunger and the rest arrow are included when you buy a riser? or they must be purchased sepparetly?
If buying new, they generally aren't included. However, I often see used risers going on sale on eBay with both the plunger, rest and clicker included.
Thanks
I just ordered a beiter and am waiting for it in the post. I've heard that it comes with three springs with varying tensions. How will I know which spring to use?
Use the one that is already installed, and only change if you feel like you really need to change the tension beyond what you can already adjust (if you are doing serious tuning).
NUSensei thanks man
Are plungers some kind of magnetic to hold the Arrow in place? Or does the Arrow just fall off if you hold the bow sideways?
I would like to know because I am thinking of changing my Arrow rest. Atm I am using a compound bow Arrow rest because it holds the Arrow in place but I think it causes accuracy issues.
They're not magnetic, the arrow falls off if you hold the bow sideways. I would expect clearance problems with using a compound rest on a recurve / longbow.
@@DarxusC damn this comment of mine is 2 years old. Ive learned so much in that time. Right now I shoot a 3000$ set up lmao.
@@eslixgaming756 I couldn't help answering the question, in case it was helpful to someone else.
Has spending all that money resulted in a bow that brings you more joy, or just made it easier to get smaller groups?
@@DarxusC i slowly upgraded over time. Switched between recurve and compound a few times. Eventually switched to compound permanently.
I noticed my score increased a little bit when I bought a more expensive stabilizer, scope and arrow rest. But the biggest increase was when i got better arrows. Arrows are definitely worth to invet in.
When I eventually bought my 1500$ bow I shot my PR the first time I shot it. So yes, equipment matters to an extend. Ofcourse you have to have good form for equipment to do its job. Also I have more joy because its a beautiful bow.
@@eslixgaming756 I'm glad you enjoy the beauty of it. All the rest of that seemed to have nothing to do with my question.
+NUSensei i have a shibuya pressure button is that quit durable
Yes, Shibuya is one of the best plungers.
+NUSensei thanks
I am still having to shoot disabled and need my Hoyt Target Compound Bow but I still have and shoot my Hoyt Formula Recurve and I use only the best and I can say if your going to be competing just save like he said and get the best you can buy these plungers do make a different's
Nice video mate :) btw when are you making more ubisoft merchandise videos?
Are plungers the same as clickers and brush buttons?
Zander Gladman-Mitchell Clickers are entirely different from plungers.
Do you have a video on what clickers are? I am more into bare bow shooting so I'm not too familiar with the competition recurves
Yes I do:
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Awesome video thanx mate
Need to get some loctite on those screws.
I often get conflicting answers on how to set up the centershot of a plunger. It's either 'arrow completely center' or 'arrow slightly pointing left'. Would you explain this for me please?
Thanks.
Due to the flex of the arrow and displacement of the string, it is conventional to have the arrow slightly pointing left (for a RH shooter) in order to attain the right tune.
+NUSensei I see. So basically, setting it full center is a bad idea.
Man I hate to say it but this is the third video where you said you lost a nut or screw,,,,you should look into threadlocker I use the Loctite blue dont get the red,,,,
Its just me or shibuya more smoother than baiter?
look into blue loctite for the threads, man!
Loctite
Until this video, only plunger I knew was for unclogging a toilet.
You're more than just an archer :) don't be so hard on yourself also you could just decorate a bow or something I've made my own bows and I'm 12 I also have the attention span of a 7 year old XD so I bet you could do it :) also you could try PVC bows like backyardbowyer.
Okay :) why don't you try making your own cool stuff based off of video games like a ac themed bow or a skyrim themed bow?
Poor man pays twice, get the top dollar one if it "lasts a lifetime"
I haven't even seen an actual bow irl ever, why am I here
This stuff kills me, you don't need a frickin plunger!! I've shot archery for a number of years and have been extremely consistent. In fact it's more satisfying to be accurate and consistent without all of the junk hanging off my bow. Seems like someone somewhere decided more money needed to be made on accessories so they come up with all of that crap. Instead of a person putting in the time and practice needed to be accurate and consistent. Every one wants good results ASAP, result of the lazy man's world. I bet if you took an English Archer from 1500 years ago and put that guy up against that fancy plungerised bow I bet he'd put that to shame and be just as accurate. Why, because his life depended on it, depended on practice, dedication and time.
And the best English archer from a thousand years ago would not be able to match an average competitive archer in a test of accuracy and precision. You say that you are extremely consistent. What is your qualifying score on a standard 70/720 round? No modern barebow archer comes close to that quality of shooting, let alone a historical archer with far more variables in their technique and equipment. Look past the romanticised view of archer and recognise the diverging pathways of archery: a modern archery does it for sport and uses more precision equipment to attain a level far beyond what is achievable without.
Nor does modern equipment replace skill - a bad archer with precision equipment is still going to shoot worse than a skilled barebow shooter. No item acts as a crutch.
If you are more satisfied with shooting traditional, that's great. That's exactly why many people enjoy it. But if you're claiming that you can be as consistent in the same style of archer practised by modern sport archers, feel free to prove it.