In this video I demonstrate my "new" way to structure and route summing stacks and aux tracks for mixing. Enjoy! Note: You must have Logic 10.7.5 or higher to "nest" track stacks. Download my 35-part Logic Course here! ➛ www.logicproguide.com For mixing/mastering work, contact me at my website ➛ carneymediagroup.com Follow MusicTechHelpGuy on Instagram ➛ instagram.com/musictechhelpguy Support the channel on Patreon ➛ patreon.com/musictechhelpguy CHAPTERS: 0:00 Introduction 0:55 Lead Vox Summing Stack 2:57 Lead Vox Aux Tracks 4:51 Time-Based Effects 8:17 Dealing with Automation 9:09 Backing Vocals 10:12 Dry Bus Processing 11:40 Nested Summing Stacks 12:52 Mixing Down to Stems
I just wanna say dude, ur content genuinely brings a smile to my face when I watch it. Your easy spoken manner combined with the fact that for years you have never deviated from your original intent which is to help people learn logic plain and simple, are appreciated. One last thing I will say is I cannot stress enough how much I appreciate the fact that unlike 99% of other audio help content creators, you never fell victim to turning your channel into a secret product promo channel disguised as a help channel. Please never fall into that trap because like I said all other content on TH-cam is all disguised promo content and because of that, all the info ends up being watered down, no substance or downright bad information. We appreciate you brother🙏🏼
Your videos should have like 100,000 likes at least, you have been so helpful to me throughout a few years and still learning from you Joshua. Thank you very much.
The little aux-in-a-stack trick is an awesome way to drive down the plugin count. Your way of making them is way better than what I have been doing. Very nice. Thank you!
This is the answer I've been searching for!!!!!!!!! This workflow while I'm producing will save so much time when I have to send stems to a mix engineer. I love how you separate the time-based effects from compression, eq, etc...so that when you're all done you can just select the track stack and bounce. Can I export the track stacks too?
Would love to see a video on dealing with the remaining PDC issues, or any other timing bugs that occasionally pop up in logic. Given your experience, you've probably encountered some interesting ones. Thanks
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Learned so much with you during the last years, thanks!
My track organization is a mess as I´m more a musician than mixing guy. Your video shows me a much better way not to get lost and gives me the security to do the job correctly. Thanks so much for your whole series on Logic, I follow them since years.
You can also select AUX and change to READ. Just found that out couple weeks back. Once you change back it will automatically place the AUX back to the left. I don’t have a flipping clue why Apple won’t allow you to just drag channels around. They’re like freaking narcissists. EVERY OTHER DAW ALLOWS YOU TO DRAG THEM AROUND!!!!!! 🙄 Thanks for all of your videos though brother!
I may do one on stem mastering soon. I have an electronic album I'm working on, and while I don't think I can show the entire mixing process, I could show the stem mastering process.
I really enjoyed watching your work flow here. I have a question - My mix template takes groups of like tracks (e.g. vocals) and then I send the output of those to a bus (e.g. VOX BUS) so I end up with a limited number of buses where I can apply top-down mixing at the bus level (as well as track level mixing if necessary). All my sends though are outside the bus in aux tracks which allows me to use, e.g., a similar reverb on multiple busses limiting the number of instances of the plugin. But it seems to me, I'm losing something relative to what you do. But in essence, aren't my busses similar to your summing tracks, and if I sent the output of the aux tracks to the same output busses as the tracks they pertain to (and created more instances for each bus) would I basically be doing the same thing? Or is there something different going on with summing tracks than my method? Thanks Josh.
Hey Josh , Great Video! Really love that it´s now possible to nest Stacks in 10.7.5 !!! For al long time that was a major downsize for me in Logic. So good it´s available with the new update
Another great video! On your last point about bouncing the stems, I think you can also just select all the tracks stack tracks and do an export as audio files, and it will make the separate stems. As for the Barsamian, this is what I have been doing, and I find it so tedious. Why can’t it have an option to place new aux tracks Into the current stock? We’re just making so much easier. I’m on we’re at it I would love to be able to just type in bus numbers instead of using the pulldown menu.
Out of curiosity - Can you use this method to group KI & KO > SNT & SNB > TOMS > HH > THEN make a DRUM BUS? Essentially processing both kick mics together & so on & so forth with the rest of the instruments - then just grouping them all together to process them also as a DRUM GROUP? Was hoping you'd open your drum folder to get an idea of your processing, thanks in advanced!
Hey Josh! I'm with kiethdo2551 below: What a coincidence! Last night I watched a "masterclass" on scoring for film in Logic and at the end he showed the same technique of "Summing Stacks". What was interesting about the way he provided "stems" was (and I can't explain how he did it - you'd know how) he had empty, labeled tracks below the mix, armed them to record and then played his mixdown. That made ALL the stems at one pass, saving time. Thanks for this tutorial! Gianni♥
Thanks for the great tutorial Josh! I’m currently mixing a song in Logic using summing stacks much like you are here and ran into an issue with panning when using them. The song has a lot of tracks and a lot of panning and I noticed that a panned track in solo was coming equally out of both speakers. Testing other tracks out produced the same results and looked into it online and the closest thing I found were people suggesting a bug was causing it with summing stacks. I converted everything to folder stacks and that fixed the problem but now I lose the functions of summing which I liked. Any experience with this?
First off thanks for the video. 2ndly. I have a question. I created a summing stack to control 3 different audio sources but every time I try to turn the summing stack volume down I can still hear the instrument. There’s no reverb or anything on it. It’s dry EXCEPT for the fact it came from omnisphere. Tried burning it into the track and everything and it’s still not quieting unless I click the individual track. Any solutions to this? Thanks again. Oh and it works on a different 3 instruments in the same session so I know it’s not a session thing.
I used to swear by Kensington trackballs, ergonomically I love them. And they allow me to not have to move my hand much on the desk, w which is especially helpful when it's covered in gear. However, I've owned like 4 of them in 10 years, and that seems a bit excessive in terms of them breaking down. Especially the newer models. I also can't stand wireless peripherals, especially when I'm making tutorial videos, they cut out all the time -- so an Apple trackpad or Magic Mouse is out of the question. So I've switched over to a Logitech G502 wired gaming mouse and I love it.
hello josh thanks for helpfully video, currently in my logic i cant do as your precisely like my logic settings isn't right when i have track stack (summing) - then i make several track inside stack send to fx track, the fx track doesnt has audio played when i soloed but when i place the send in stack track directly the fx track has normally sounded when it soloed any recommendation setting so i can hear the fx track when it soloed without send via stack track? thank you
How many summing stack can you nest together? From what I understand one can only do 2 layers of summing stacks and I wish that was not a limitation. Is there a workaround? Thank you :)
I've just moved over from years of Pro Tools to Logic. Working in film and tv, and have a need to have options when exporting stems. I have "Main" Track Stacks for my main groups (Winds, Brass etc) but also sub Track Stacks within them (eg Winds Long, Winds Short, Brass Long, Brass Short). Everything is routed correctly within those sub groups to go out the main group. Metering all fine too. My problem is that when I select the "main" track stacks and command+E to export those main groups they export as silent files. The sub groups export perfectly, but the main groups are silent. The strange thing is when I "export all tracks as audio" the main groups have audio on them and export fine. I just want to know why I can't seem to export the master track stacks I've selected with audio on them (and without having to "export all tracks as audio..."). Is this possible or a known issue?
hi sir much obliged Is ProTools or Logic more suitable for busing arrangements? Do you also mix with Pro Tools? If so, is the perception that Pro Tools yields superior results just that? Please provide a tutorial on this subject as well.
The only thing I ever use Pro Tools for these days is when I go to a bigger studio and track there. Or if a mixing client sends me a PT session. Mostly because the studios just have Pro Tools and nothing else. Then I just export and bring over into Logic to finish. You will not get superior results because of a DAW. The audio quality is the same. Audio mixed in PT doesn't sound any different than any other DAW. It's a matter of what tools and plugins you use, and ultimately the skill of the mixer.
I have been doing this for while but I often have issues with the routing of the aux tracks. Is there a way to get them to consistently route properly when adding them to a track stack? I have been using inst tracks as aux tracks lately because they are better at automatically setting the output where I want it.
In this video I demonstrate my "new" way to structure and route summing stacks and aux tracks for mixing. Enjoy! Note: You must have Logic 10.7.5 or higher to "nest" track stacks.
Download my 35-part Logic Course here! ➛ www.logicproguide.com
For mixing/mastering work, contact me at my website ➛ carneymediagroup.com
Follow MusicTechHelpGuy on Instagram ➛ instagram.com/musictechhelpguy
Support the channel on Patreon ➛ patreon.com/musictechhelpguy
CHAPTERS:
0:00 Introduction
0:55 Lead Vox Summing Stack
2:57 Lead Vox Aux Tracks
4:51 Time-Based Effects
8:17 Dealing with Automation
9:09 Backing Vocals
10:12 Dry Bus Processing
11:40 Nested Summing Stacks
12:52 Mixing Down to Stems
I just wanna say dude, ur content genuinely brings a smile to my face when I watch it. Your easy spoken manner combined with the fact that for years you have never deviated from your original intent which is to help people learn logic plain and simple, are appreciated. One last thing I will say is I cannot stress enough how much I appreciate the fact that unlike 99% of other audio help content creators, you never fell victim to turning your channel into a secret product promo channel disguised as a help channel. Please never fall into that trap because like I said all other content on TH-cam is all disguised promo content and because of that, all the info ends up being watered down, no substance or downright bad information. We appreciate you brother🙏🏼
The Master Boss riding the master bus!
Yes! Moving the auxs into the arrange next to the channels is way better organized. Can’t wait to use this! Thanks Josh!!
Best logic tutorial channel by far, thanks so much!
Your videos should have like 100,000 likes at least, you have been so helpful to me throughout a few years and still learning from you Joshua. Thank you very much.
How did you know exactly what I needed help with at this moment in time, Josh? 🤯 Youre the man!
Josh watches us through our computers. I used to feel worried about my privacy until I realized he does it so he can make videos for us.
The little aux-in-a-stack trick is an awesome way to drive down the plugin count. Your way of making them is way better than what I have been doing. Very nice. Thank you!
Fantastic video Josh, so clever and brilliant arrangement
He is by far my favourite logic instructor
Man this is the best workflow awesome!
This is the answer I've been searching for!!!!!!!!! This workflow while I'm producing will save so much time when I have to send stems to a mix engineer. I love how you separate the time-based effects from compression, eq, etc...so that when you're all done you can just select the track stack and bounce. Can I export the track stacks too?
Would love to see a video on dealing with the remaining PDC issues, or any other timing bugs that occasionally pop up in logic. Given your experience, you've probably encountered some interesting ones. Thanks
Learned so much with you during the last years, thanks!
The nested summing stacks is very interesting. I'm going to have to watch this one a couple of times. Thank you!
Outstanding info, soooo clear
Oh my god. This information is invaluable! Thank you so much for this!
Oh my gosh thanks so much for this! So worth watching!
Great video! Really well explained as usual. Sounds like a nice song too!
My track organization is a mess as I´m more a musician than mixing guy. Your video shows me a much better way not to get lost and gives me the security to do the job correctly. Thanks so much for your whole series on Logic, I follow them since years.
Thanks. Your videos never fail on me🎉.
Great video, very handy technique this
You can also select AUX and change to READ. Just found that out couple weeks back. Once you change back it will automatically place the AUX back to the left. I don’t have a flipping clue why Apple won’t allow you to just drag channels around. They’re like freaking narcissists. EVERY OTHER DAW ALLOWS YOU TO DRAG THEM AROUND!!!!!! 🙄 Thanks for all of your videos though brother!
It’s always interesting the hills DAW developers end up dying on 😅
Masterclass in working in the real world and looking at this process both from a creative and a business model.
Wouldn’t mind a vid going into detail about mixing an EP and your process that you touched on near the end.
I may do one on stem mastering soon. I have an electronic album I'm working on, and while I don't think I can show the entire mixing process, I could show the stem mastering process.
I really enjoyed watching your work flow here. I have a question - My mix template takes groups of like tracks (e.g. vocals) and then I send the output of those to a bus (e.g. VOX BUS) so I end up with a limited number of buses where I can apply top-down mixing at the bus level (as well as track level mixing if necessary). All my sends though are outside the bus in aux tracks which allows me to use, e.g., a similar reverb on multiple busses limiting the number of instances of the plugin. But it seems to me, I'm losing something relative to what you do. But in essence, aren't my busses similar to your summing tracks, and if I sent the output of the aux tracks to the same output busses as the tracks they pertain to (and created more instances for each bus) would I basically be doing the same thing? Or is there something different going on with summing tracks than my method? Thanks Josh.
thanz for a great video .. the gain plugin, cant this be done with a VCA instead?
Hey Josh , Great Video! Really love that it´s now possible to nest Stacks in 10.7.5 !!! For al long time that was a major downsize for me in Logic. So good it´s available with the new update
Another great video! On your last point about bouncing the stems, I think you can also just select all the tracks stack tracks and do an export as audio files, and it will make the separate stems. As for the Barsamian, this is what I have been doing, and I find it so tedious. Why can’t it have an option to place new aux tracks Into the current stock? We’re just making so much easier. I’m on we’re at it I would love to be able to just type in bus numbers instead of using the pulldown menu.
Out of curiosity - Can you use this method to group KI & KO > SNT & SNB > TOMS > HH > THEN make a DRUM BUS? Essentially processing both kick mics together & so on & so forth with the rest of the instruments - then just grouping them all together to process them also as a DRUM GROUP? Was hoping you'd open your drum folder to get an idea of your processing, thanks in advanced!
Hey Josh! I'm with kiethdo2551 below: What a coincidence! Last night I watched a "masterclass" on scoring for film in Logic and at the end he showed the same technique of "Summing Stacks". What was interesting about the way he provided "stems" was (and I can't explain how he did it - you'd know how) he had empty, labeled tracks below the mix, armed them to record and then played his mixdown. That made ALL the stems at one pass, saving time.
Thanks for this tutorial! Gianni♥
How do you create a folder to begin with?
The flower you put your lead vocals in
Thanks for the great tutorial Josh! I’m currently mixing a song in Logic using summing stacks much like you are here and ran into an issue with panning when using them. The song has a lot of tracks and a lot of panning and I noticed that a panned track in solo was coming equally out of both speakers. Testing other tracks out produced the same results and looked into it online and the closest thing I found were people suggesting a bug was causing it with summing stacks. I converted everything to folder stacks and that fixed the problem but now I lose the functions of summing which I liked. Any experience with this?
Thank you. I assume you cannot pan individual tracks using this method?
You absolutely still can pan individual tracks.
I get it now- though the different panning options interacting summing might be good to cover. Great work thanks
Awesome video! So in short, what is the true difference between a Folder and a Summing stack?
Summing stack functions like a bus + folder. Folder does not sum any signal together on a bus, but is purely organization like a folder.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy that’s awesome man. Thank you for your continuous hard work over the years, been following you for a long time now! 👏
Genius!
What's the benefit to using a bus channel only?
Thanks bro
First off thanks for the video. 2ndly. I have a question. I created a summing stack to control 3 different audio sources but every time I try to turn the summing stack volume down I can still hear the instrument. There’s no reverb or anything on it. It’s dry EXCEPT for the fact it came from omnisphere. Tried burning it into the track and everything and it’s still not quieting unless I click the individual track. Any solutions to this? Thanks again. Oh and it works on a different 3 instruments in the same session so I know it’s not a session thing.
Random question to @musictechhelpguy what do you use for your mouse in logic? Trackpad, magic mouse, other. THanks!
I used to swear by Kensington trackballs, ergonomically I love them. And they allow me to not have to move my hand much on the desk, w which is especially helpful when it's covered in gear. However, I've owned like 4 of them in 10 years, and that seems a bit excessive in terms of them breaking down. Especially the newer models. I also can't stand wireless peripherals, especially when I'm making tutorial videos, they cut out all the time -- so an Apple trackpad or Magic Mouse is out of the question. So I've switched over to a Logitech G502 wired gaming mouse and I love it.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy Appreciate the reply! And thanks also for the fantastic Logic Pro Tutorial series.
hello josh thanks for helpfully video, currently in my logic i cant do as your precisely like my logic settings isn't right
when i have track stack (summing) - then i make several track inside stack send to fx track, the fx track doesnt has audio played when i soloed
but when i place the send in stack track directly the fx track has normally sounded when it soloed
any recommendation setting so i can hear the fx track when it soloed without send via stack track?
thank you
How many summing stack can you nest together? From what I understand one can only do 2 layers of summing stacks and I wish that was not a limitation. Is there a workaround? Thank you :)
I've just moved over from years of Pro Tools to Logic. Working in film and tv, and have a need to have options when exporting stems. I have "Main" Track Stacks for my main groups (Winds, Brass etc) but also sub Track Stacks within them (eg Winds Long, Winds Short, Brass Long, Brass Short). Everything is routed correctly within those sub groups to go out the main group. Metering all fine too. My problem is that when I select the "main" track stacks and command+E to export those main groups they export as silent files. The sub groups export perfectly, but the main groups are silent. The strange thing is when I "export all tracks as audio" the main groups have audio on them and export fine. I just want to know why I can't seem to export the master track stacks I've selected with audio on them (and without having to "export all tracks as audio..."). Is this possible or a known issue?
gracias........
hi sir
much obliged
Is ProTools or Logic more suitable for busing arrangements? Do you also mix with Pro Tools? If so, is the perception that Pro Tools yields superior results just that?
Please provide a tutorial on this subject as well.
The only thing I ever use Pro Tools for these days is when I go to a bigger studio and track there. Or if a mixing client sends me a PT session. Mostly because the studios just have Pro Tools and nothing else. Then I just export and bring over into Logic to finish. You will not get superior results because of a DAW. The audio quality is the same. Audio mixed in PT doesn't sound any different than any other DAW. It's a matter of what tools and plugins you use, and ultimately the skill of the mixer.
thanks a lot sir, there are few who can match your teaching skills@@MusicTechHelpGuy
I have been doing this for while but I often have issues with the routing of the aux tracks. Is there a way to get them to consistently route properly when adding them to a track stack? I have been using inst tracks as aux tracks lately because they are better at automatically setting the output where I want it.
I swear by it.