Day 7 of asking for you to build a large plane with a runaway on top, and take off and land on it with a smaller plane, but you're not allowed to use anchor pins or tractor beams
This dogfight has revealed some critical information on how the game spawns projectiles at speed and shows why your weapon propelled speed vehicles have been self-destruction so badly. If you watch the other plain off in the distance, you can see the bullets from his own mini guns actually manifesting in front of him.
This was such a cool challenge to watch and I imagine quite fun to participate in. But what about a dogfight with unconventional means of propulsion? By this I mean rotating servos, steering hinges the sort you don't see often.
Interestingly enough, in a dogfight like this, I think the best tactic is to try and aim for a game of chicken with your opponent and fly in a more or less straight line away from them after the pass, adjusting only slightly to throw off the opposing lock-on. Chasing is a very poor idea and turning to keep the gap between the two planes from getting too big is, while a habit from doing normal dogfights, actually hindering your potential damage output by guaranteeing that you lose your lock while giving your opponent no reason to break theirs. In short, hit and run tactics taken to the extreme are probably the best way to use a minigun powered craft like these in combat.
Your tactic of flying in a straight line wouldn’t work, the enemy could simply just not try and attack you, forcing you to have to find a way to attack them instead. You should instead always be manuevering, and since the enemy has to be flying away to attack you, they would eventually have to turn towards you to be able to make back distance, at which point you can get them in your sights
I feel like a gun powered race might be even cooler. Would defo have to have a solution for the landslide effect of the person in first shooting backwards. Maybe forward mounted rockets are allowed?
Maybe have the last place win, and have everyone keep moving forward. That way, the first in line would be able to shoot everyone else but would also be in the last place in the race. Edit: The seat would need to be at the back of the vehicle, being destroyed means you finished the race. That way, whoever gets destroyed first wins.
@@Belzemat I know, right? A gun powered race where the winner is the last to finish the race, and everyone must go forward, would be so strange. I'm sure at least one person will forget that the winner is the one who finishes last, during the race. :)) =]]
In this game, maneuverability was kinda mute because of the unconventional attacks. Scrapman's tankiness was key because he could afford to lose more parts, but he had just as much fire power, and could reliably hit Yeuzi just as much as he got hit.
Also, I believe Yeuzei’s quad tail design kinda screwed him over. It was shown that losing just one piece made Yeuzei spin out, and I believe that if he went with a more traditional design he would have had a lot better runs.
Seeing the bullet tracing for Yzuei actually explains why you kept exploding yourself trying to use the original cannons as propulsion. At some seemingly arbitrary speed the projectile actually starts off behind the gun/cannon firing it. So for the original cannons that meant the the projectile was hitting the cannon from the other side. I wonder if the Trailmakers Devs would be able to tweak that.
That was awesome! I loved watching you fight the instinct to chase and get into the turning/energy battle early on as the tactics developed. I do find in Trailmakers, though (and I suppose in combat aircraft in general), any TWR less than 1 is crippling.
What seat was yzuei using? Is it like a dev seat given to certain content creators for like a freecam mode for thumbnails? I couldn't find the seat online other than in scrapmans thumbnails so im just using an educated guess. Edit: I found it online, second page of Google, its called the vip seat reserved for special players I'm going to see what it does other than being 0.2 kg more than the standard seat
Hear me out: use cameras to see backwards and reverse your controls while you're facing backwards (i.e. rotating the left-right steering by 180 degrees), so you can drive normally even while going backwards.
Wow, that was very creative and quite amusing! My goodness Scrapman, you were really struggling to adjust to the wonky flight profile required to get Yzuei into your gunsight, you kept turning in towards him to get him in front of you rather than turning away to get a shot off 😂
Dogfighting Demo derby style: Each plane can have multiple sets of wings all set to detach or payloads to chuck at the enemy, anything goes except for weapons. No guns, rockets, or bomb bays, although the original explosives may be used but not voluntarily detached. Feel free to use bits and pieces of this idea, and to modify as you please.
Isn't scrap man just hunting the Chirpo birds that he had gone out of his way to save? Or was he just saving them to hunt them himself as he attacking chirpoplane
Oh yeah, it's literally that. The only thing missing here is using these aircraft to destroy battleships. Though I'd guess a battle like that would have to be heavily balanced in the battleships' favor because of just how much consistent firepower these planes put out and how slow ships tend to be.
Yzuei was robbed in this challenge. Based on plane size and maneuverability, he should have won all three rounds... especially the second. As far as new challenges go, I also like the idea of revisiting old challenges from before the weapons and damage update.
Idea for challenge : Have 2 teams with 2 players on each team 1 team has a train : the train has 2 gunners (2 anti air and 1 anti ground) and just drives forward on a straight path automatically 2nd team has : 1 ground vehicle (No rocket launcer) and 1 air vehicle (with bombs) Winner (as team 1) is who can last the longest without their train being stopped or both of their gunner seats being destroyed
I thought of something interesting, what if you had your guns facing to the side's like you did for the air balloon battles. That way you have to do fly bys
If he didn't extend the circular design he used to mount the mini guns and put the wings in the side of it with the cockpit in the center, it would have been more maneuverable and faster, because it would have less mass and it would also be harder to hit, the circular mounting system for the miniguns is smart, because it means that the miniguns have a better chance of hitting the opponent.
"I don't usually use yaw" from the guy who says yaw 5 times per video even when not showing any air vehicles. Lol, could literally be a drinking game bro.
Now I'm wondering how a dog fight on the high seas map, where you have to worry about winds, would play out, especially if you can find an area with strong winds that change frequiently.
Hey scrapman! I have an idea since I've gotten into trailblazers recently and I'm obsessed with airships. You guys should do an airship versus planes battle.
Instead of Dogfight, a multiplayer Monday Jousting Competition Format inside a row of giant rings.. a proper middle gallery for spectators.. multiple passes
You should try doing a challenge where you both make two planes: one with the new guns and one without, and on one turn, one of you would be the old and the other new, and vice versa. If you want to make the video longer, do a battle with just and old and then just new. You could record it as well if you want to see if the new pieces make these battles faster
Another day of asking ScrapMan to do old challenges (Evolution, King of the Hill, etc.) with the boys (Kan, Kosmo, Moonbo) now that the High Seas and Airbourne DLCs are out
maybe for the next one u should do this as a challenge after the first match u swap creations to how the other person's creation handles or maybe a round at the end once the winner is decided
It would be so cool if you and three of your other friends would do a blimp versus planes battle like a huge one that two people use with the new parts and vice versa
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What should be the next challenge be?
Hi
And an evolution idea I think
An blayblade evolution battle will be really cool as the game physics are changed
You could even have a demolition derby evolution as the game physics have changed
@@cricfan1880 That would be best with 3-4 players.
With the new damage and weapons update you should revisit some of your old multiplayer challenges.
Dethrone and battlebots come to mind.
I’ve loved all the new interesting challenges but I agree a revival of dethrone battlebots would be so cool
I want dethrone evolution.
They've already done at least one
Tank evolution would be interesting with the new damage and weapons.
Day 7 of asking for you to build a large plane with a runaway on top, and take off and land on it with a smaller plane, but you're not allowed to use anchor pins or tractor beams
GO TO THE TOP MY MAN
I agree
I WANT THISS!!!!!!!
This comment has more likes than yzuei’s comment
This!!!
This dogfight has revealed some critical information on how the game spawns projectiles at speed and shows why your weapon propelled speed vehicles have been self-destruction so badly. If you watch the other plain off in the distance, you can see the bullets from his own mini guns actually manifesting in front of him.
This was such a cool challenge to watch and I imagine quite fun to participate in. But what about a dogfight with unconventional means of propulsion?
By this I mean rotating servos, steering hinges the sort you don't see often.
ornithopter dogfight would be incredible
Interestingly enough, in a dogfight like this, I think the best tactic is to try and aim for a game of chicken with your opponent and fly in a more or less straight line away from them after the pass, adjusting only slightly to throw off the opposing lock-on. Chasing is a very poor idea and turning to keep the gap between the two planes from getting too big is, while a habit from doing normal dogfights, actually hindering your potential damage output by guaranteeing that you lose your lock while giving your opponent no reason to break theirs.
In short, hit and run tactics taken to the extreme are probably the best way to use a minigun powered craft like these in combat.
Your tactic of flying in a straight line wouldn’t work, the enemy could simply just not try and attack you, forcing you to have to find a way to attack them instead. You should instead always be manuevering, and since the enemy has to be flying away to attack you, they would eventually have to turn towards you to be able to make back distance, at which point you can get them in your sights
I feel like a gun powered race might be even cooler. Would defo have to have a solution for the landslide effect of the person in first shooting backwards. Maybe forward mounted rockets are allowed?
Maybe have the last place win, and have everyone keep moving forward. That way, the first in line would be able to shoot everyone else but would also be in the last place in the race. Edit: The seat would need to be at the back of the vehicle, being destroyed means you finished the race. That way, whoever gets destroyed first wins.
@@SapioiT that is hella wacky, definitely a different feel than an actual race
@@Belzemat I know, right? A gun powered race where the winner is the last to finish the race, and everyone must go forward, would be so strange. I'm sure at least one person will forget that the winner is the one who finishes last, during the race. :)) =]]
The Kzinti Lesson: "A reaction drive's efficiency as a weapon is in direct proportion to its efficiency as a drive."
16:30 Great commentary sCrapman
it feels illegal to be this early
respect the work put into this scrapman
In this game, maneuverability was kinda mute because of the unconventional attacks. Scrapman's tankiness was key because he could afford to lose more parts, but he had just as much fire power, and could reliably hit Yeuzi just as much as he got hit.
It seems sustained climb rate was pretty important
Also, I believe Yeuzei’s quad tail design kinda screwed him over. It was shown that losing just one piece made Yeuzei spin out, and I believe that if he went with a more traditional design he would have had a lot better runs.
Nah its coz yeuzi was chasing the whole time.
@@RexDCnly the first round. The other two Scrapman was foolishly chasing and only pulled a win once because he was just tanky enough to survive.
DogFight Evolution Each round you can add things to your plane/heli/sub/land
Has nobody noticed Scrapman made a "GunBarrel"?
You should do a 1v1 Supersonic dogfight with unlimited power cores with Yzuei.
Hope you read this.
Seeing the bullet tracing for Yzuei actually explains why you kept exploding yourself trying to use the original cannons as propulsion. At some seemingly arbitrary speed the projectile actually starts off behind the gun/cannon firing it. So for the original cannons that meant the the projectile was hitting the cannon from the other side. I wonder if the Trailmakers Devs would be able to tweak that.
That was awesome! I loved watching you fight the instinct to chase and get into the turning/energy battle early on as the tactics developed. I do find in Trailmakers, though (and I suppose in combat aircraft in general), any TWR less than 1 is crippling.
scrap man at start : pls help me
scrap man at last : beg for help
Lol
What seat was yzuei using? Is it like a dev seat given to certain content creators for like a freecam mode for thumbnails? I couldn't find the seat online other than in scrapmans thumbnails so im just using an educated guess.
Edit: I found it online, second page of Google, its called the vip seat reserved for special players I'm going to see what it does other than being 0.2 kg more than the standard seat
Hear me out: use cameras to see backwards and reverse your controls while you're facing backwards (i.e. rotating the left-right steering by 180 degrees), so you can drive normally even while going backwards.
Squidfight! Loved it!
Would love to see your old minigames come back too...
Wow, that was very creative and quite amusing! My goodness Scrapman, you were really struggling to adjust to the wonky flight profile required to get Yzuei into your gunsight, you kept turning in towards him to get him in front of you rather than turning away to get a shot off 😂
Dogfighting Demo derby style: Each plane can have multiple sets of wings all set to detach or payloads to chuck at the enemy, anything goes except for weapons. No guns, rockets, or bomb bays, although the original explosives may be used but not voluntarily detached. Feel free to use bits and pieces of this idea, and to modify as you please.
Me starting this video: This is where the fun begins
Bro ain't the red baron, he's the red barrel
FACTS
This idea is weird but creative
Isn't scrap man just hunting the Chirpo birds that he had gone out of his way to save? Or was he just saving them to hunt them himself as he attacking chirpoplane
Very excited to watch it
Does when you’re locking on to something on a diagonal compared to your craft change the direction of the trust?
Planes vs Subs would be neat. Especially in the Ocean Map
That would be crazy. Planes can barely fly and it would be very difficult for a sub to get a proper lock on. Would like to see it
noice video scrapman rocks
This reminds me of Jetpack Joyride, with its signature machine gun Jetpack.
Also, this reminds of Luftrausers.
Oh yeah, it's literally that. The only thing missing here is using these aircraft to destroy battleships. Though I'd guess a battle like that would have to be heavily balanced in the battleships' favor because of just how much consistent firepower these planes put out and how slow ships tend to be.
Dude me and my friend did this! So seeing you have the same idea is soooo cool!
DogFight Evolution each round you can add things to you Heli/plane
Yzuei was robbed in this challenge. Based on plane size and maneuverability, he should have won all three rounds... especially the second.
As far as new challenges go, I also like the idea of revisiting old challenges from before the weapons and damage update.
Idea for challenge :
Have 2 teams with 2 players on each team
1 team has a train : the train has 2 gunners (2 anti air and 1 anti ground) and just drives forward on a straight path automatically
2nd team has : 1 ground vehicle (No rocket launcer) and 1 air vehicle (with bombs)
Winner (as team 1) is who can last the longest without their train being stopped or both of their gunner seats being destroyed
Feeling that being the most aerodynamic in this challenge is better for too speed, so you can stay infront of thwm more
This was ballin
1:55 Yzuei's plane looks so awesome wtf. It's like the Hawkzord from Power Rangers Ninja Storm.
gives a whole new meaning to gunship
The huge empty cavity where the centre of mass (where the guns target for) may be a major benefitvas well
This was like a dogfighting tron planes
I love when you and yzuei do gameplay together
Wow, scrapman and yzuei are starting to become best friend just like how scrapman become friends with kozmo
Yooo Scrapman is such a multiplayer VET 😅 he's just wrecking devs and cats left and right.
Once again, I will not let you forget that Mario doesn’t say “it’s Morbin time”
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I love your vids keep it up
I would love to see you guys revisit the car PvP challenge (dethrone?) you did a while ago!
Jetpack joyride intensifies
I thought of something interesting, what if you had your guns facing to the side's like you did for the air balloon battles. That way you have to do fly bys
This would be a good choice for an evolution episode.
this sort of thing should deffinitely be done with more people in the future
Really good battle. Cheers
Piston and weight blocks now with center of gravity could make some cool builds. Could potentially turn in mid air jamming the weight forward or back.
You could flip the task to defend the other from your self and try to get behind :-D
Thx For the Vid
If he didn't extend the circular design he used to mount the mini guns and put the wings in the side of it with the cockpit in the center, it would have been more maneuverable and faster, because it would have less mass and it would also be harder to hit, the circular mounting system for the miniguns is smart, because it means that the miniguns have a better chance of hitting the opponent.
Scrapmans creation gave me the bad piggies vibes😂
"I don't usually use yaw" from the guy who says yaw 5 times per video even when not showing any air vehicles. Lol, could literally be a drinking game bro.
Trailmaker updates:
Land
Sea
Air
Space?!?!
scrap man i loved your message to ctop
Smart but delicate vs stupid but tough
great match!!
The Ailerons are on the front wings, the ELEVATORS are on the tail end.
Yzuei's creations are always smaller than scrap man's but more athescially pleasing
I have bad spe||ing
KAMISATO ART : SUIYUU
Video idea: make a ekranoplan in main esemble or how ever its named coz u could make it look super cool btw why did u stop playing it?
You should do some of these aerial challenges in the high seas to see how it is with the wind blowing.
I would like to see Kosmo, Kan, and Corndog do this as a free for all.
This new jetpack joyride update is crazy
Now I'm wondering how a dog fight on the high seas map, where you have to worry about winds, would play out, especially if you can find an area with strong winds that change frequiently.
Hey scrapman! I have an idea since I've gotten into trailblazers recently and I'm obsessed with airships. You guys should do an airship versus planes battle.
what happenedb to cosmo
Instead of Dogfight, a multiplayer Monday Jousting Competition Format inside a row of giant rings.. a proper middle gallery for spectators.. multiple passes
You should try doing a challenge where you both make two planes: one with the new guns and one without, and on one turn, one of you would be the old and the other new, and vice versa. If you want to make the video longer, do a battle with just and old and then just new. You could record it as well if you want to see if the new pieces make these battles faster
when you dont sleep so you can watch at 7:00
when you work night shift so you can watch this during your lunch
I made a recoil plane the day of the update and i can say 10/10 most fun flying since i learned how to fly in the first place
I wonder when Kosmo and kAN will get to play with Scrapman and Yzuei...
I miss them lots
Another day of asking ScrapMan to do old challenges (Evolution, King of the Hill, etc.) with the boys (Kan, Kosmo, Moonbo) now that the High Seas and Airbourne DLCs are out
maybe for the next one u should do this as a challenge after the first match u swap creations to how the other person's creation handles or maybe a round at the end once the winner is decided
first win for zuei after a lot of lose :)
cool video
It would be so cool if you and three of your other friends would do a blimp versus planes battle like a huge one that two people use with the new parts and vice versa
Missiles only allowed for limp though otherwise it would be too easy based on size ratio
That's a RECOIL PLANE
😂😂😂😂
I think you should have both back and front weapons
or perhaps like challenge of you must spin your weapon
You should pick an actual plane and build it in trailmakers then fight to see who did theirs better
SCRAPMAN YOUR THE BEST!!!!!
Scrapman basically made a flying fortress
When you take a gunship to realistic extremes
You should switch vehicles one round every episode
this is a wierd but very nice game
Next challenge anti air turret vs plane ,you should take out the tower with the plane and try to defend it with the anti air turret.
Yzueis builds are amazing
Scarp man can probably flick the back around more due to the extra. Unintentional genuis
It was more like a skunk-fight than a dogfight.
we need new trailmakers vehicle evolution challenges, involving the new parts and mechanics
It is like watching an overweight elephant with dumbo ears fight against a nimble falcon with GAU 8 avenger
Minigun propelled helicopters ? just same concept, but with only upward thrust (so downward shooting)
Chicken 🐔 fight next. Whoever dodges loses, whoever got the least dmg wins. No guns
We did it. We have butt cannons on scrapmans channel 😂😂. What will we think of next.
Lil Yuz is down to one taileron.. Can he survive Scrapman's Lead Wind?!