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This was the point where Zero started depressing me too much lol, it reminded me of episode 9 of Game of Thrones when you realized they were not playin'
Kiritsugu making such personal excuses to act in the most brutal ways possible shows the limitarion of his way of doing things. Zero saber was created to bounce off that guy and act as a overly moral and pontificating force...but shes really the worst one for this conversation as she acted even more like a machine to protect britain including getting dirty when she needed to.
from the other hand, Kiritsugu once left situation without finishing it personally and it ended horribly. I guess he doesn`t want to do this mistake again.
I don't think there's anything personal at all in his "excuses". His entire character is about being completely impersonal; completely detached from personal feelings in order to carry out the greater good. If there was a less brutal way to efficiently bring about the same outcome, he would take it. As he said, he uses the most efficient tools at his disposal. One can argue about the philosophical implications of taking an ends justifies the means approach, but nothing he said is inherently wrong or an excuse.
because "THIS holy grail" is not the ordinally holy grail in King arthur story, this is just a artificial human made magic item, a wise mechanicals only, but is very powerful
This is why Emiya is the goat. He doesn’t use the fallacies of his father, Emiya and want to be a hero of justice who saves everyone. Yes I know, I used Emiya twice, I’m feeling a little silly rn
Not a spoiler. All Masters of this game have a good and bad side that made them realistic humans. And Emiya Kiritsugu is the prime example of a morally gray character. You can imagine this is a guy turned unhinged after witnessing the Cruelty of the world. He still wanted to save the world with the wish of "Global Peace" and he will do anything just to win even if he dies portrayed as a villain.
See Zero Saber minds because she is written to be fragile but Normal Saber would be all into ruthless murder like Kiritsugu is lol. Normal saber while she can fight with Honor and is into it what she likes more is winning.
@@thedimondminerz9049 It kinda depends on the situation, She was cool with dueling False Assassin fairly but fully ready to use exaclibur to nuke the whole neighborhood when Medea's skeleton army invaded Shirou's home
@@casuallectures2655 Yeah, it really depends, it mainly fluctuates with the stakes. The rematch with Assasin(at least from what I interpreted) seemed like she was speeding up and going faster than the first encounter.
While she likes fighting, she also has a code of honor. The way Kiritsugu betrays that code of honor in this particular plan is especially sickening and disrespectful to her. I feel like that's exactly how she would react, given how much mutual respect she and Diarmuid had for each other. He basically tramples all over that and spits in both their faces and Diarmuid dies believing Saber was in on the plan. Like, how gross does that feel? I couldn't imagine. Idk, this Saber doesn't seem fragile to me. Seems very on-brand for her character.
Have little idea of the Fate deep lore but couldn't that be because precisely meeting kiritsugu and admitting she was kind of naive? both when she talked to Gil and Alexander and after talking to Kiritsugu, after all, Zero happened before normal Fate, couldn't that mean she grew to agree slightly with Kiritsugu?
About when the HGW occurs: The Makiri, Tohsaka and Einzbern families made the grail system to charge up for 60 years and then summon servants, etc. To sum up Garnt's video: First War - Cool! Who wants to make a wish first? (they kill each other, no winner) Second War - So that won't happen I'll kill them all first! (no survivors, no winner) Third War - We need rules? Okay, so the church can be the referee.... (no winner) Fourth War - Going swimmingly so far! Sure nothing bad will happen!
This is one of my favorite dialogue in the series because they’re ideologically are both right to a degree but their personalities are completely opposite of each other. These two will never see eye to eye because of that
I just noticed that you finally got to my favorite anime and you’re talkin crap about my favorite character any anything ever lol. Kiritsugu is my spirit animal. Can’t wait to see what you say about him in later episodes
It’s already been episode 16, and you can’t even remember the most basic character names, nor do you know the most basic settings of the story background, and this is all even when Chat is there to help you explain it. Perfection
If you think about it, all servants are not equal and there will always be a servant much stronger than the other and if you are given a weak servant, there is no way you can win the war. Kiritsugu is what I deem to be the most realistic character in the show. Instead of just forcing servants to fight and pray that your servant wins, he is trying to win the war through his own capabilities too. This episode just shows that he desires victory more than Lancer’s master. Some may call his tactics underhanded, but as he said, in war, you either win or lose.
"If you are given a weak servant" well that would be the master fault. The master has the responsability of getting the relics that allow them to summon the stronger servant. If they let the summoning in "azar" hands that's up to them
@@MarcosPerez-wx1fx Not everyone has the resources to get an amazing servant. Without a relic, you just get paired with someone with high compatibility, which may be better than a strong servant that hates your guts. Ryuunosuke got Giles because they're both serial killers and got along swimmingly. Tokiomi got Gilgamesh, who is the strongest servant, but hates him. Kayneth would have had Iskander, but Waver stole the relic so he had to scramble for Diarmuid. If you have to summon an assassin, in the Fuyuki Grail Wars, it has to be one of the Hashashin, who all pretty much suck unless you get King Hassan or No Name Assassin.
After fate zero, you should definitely watch "fate: unlimited blade works". It is a story about the fifth war, Rin (the little girl) and Kiritsugu's adopted child will be in there.
It is a Holy Grail War, by rules, everyone IS SUPPOSED to kill each other until only one remain (without getting into spoilers area), nor matter the costs, utilizing all tools and methods regardless if its dirty or not.
@@lop90ful1Nah, it's a strategic play and necessary by Kiritsugu's POV coz master is also skillfull mage and can affect the results of Holy Grail War even without a servant. If Kiritsugu had let Kayneth go, there's no guarantee that Kayneth won't shoot Kiritsugu in the back, help the other mages or sign a new contract with another servant that lost its master. Plus, anyone can enter and use the Holy Grail once its activated, Kayneth, if survived and is the first one to touch the Holy Grail can obtain it even without a servant. But I get what you mean, servants dying is all that is required to activate the Holy Grail. Killing Master is not a requirement to activate it but still necessary from a strategy POV.
Actually not really........there is three majore rules:participance can only fight at night,they have to keep the casualties unaware of war and you cannot go to churches terrytory until you won or lost your servant then you can ask for your protection becuase the priest to supposed to make sure the rules are followed therefore he has to be neutral......but this rule was broken from the get go
@@rabela1810 Kiritsugu could just take them hostage and lock them somewhere they can't escape till the end.Considering that they both crippled and Keyneth can't use magecraft i doubt they could escape on their own.Also you can't touch the grail without a servant it was stated multiple times!
I actually laughed a bit when you said that you don't like Kiritsugu anymore after this scene. When I first saw that it actually confirmed to my edgy self that Kiritsugu is the most based man who had ever lived. That is how you wage war. Honor is for pussies, everything goes. Using every method possible to completely annihilate the enemy.
I'm glad you know better now 😂 "war is the real inhumanity!" Wow such poetic words kiritsugu 😅 told to a woman who knows a lot more about human suffering and war than he does
@@mizukumecasko1216 It's not like he didn't know that he would be miserable. The problem was that the goal itself was unachievable from the very beginning. I still don't have any problems with his methods
@@MrInuhanyou123 To be fair, Kiritsugu has seen A LOT of war and human suffering. The only problem was with him thinking that humanity can somehow be saved
I know another reactor who said that Kiritsugu is his favorite character after this scene but after episode 24 said that Kiritsugu is now the most hated character for him.That was hillarious🤣🤣considering that he did the same thing there as he did here!Also anihilate the enemy is easier say than do becuase as we see later even Saber can become the enemy and then what he will do? Yes in order to survive and live at war you need to be inhumane but you CAN'T end it by being inhumane......
Any saber outside of zero's "I want to crush saber" would be pissed that her one on one duel was interrupted but wouldn't question the methods and morality, back when we had the big monster caster saber would be the first one to suggest to remove the curse so she can excalibur caster out of this world
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Luke got mad surprised that an assassin known as Mage Slayer assassinated a mage :P Kiritsugu was never out there pretending to be a knight.
This was the point where Zero started depressing me too much lol, it reminded me of episode 9 of Game of Thrones when you realized they were not playin'
Somebody get me the Incredibles meme with Kiritsugu going "Killing people is killing people!"
why this when you have "people die when they are killed". He is Emiya after all)
Kiritsugu making such personal excuses to act in the most brutal ways possible shows the limitarion of his way of doing things. Zero saber was created to bounce off that guy and act as a overly moral and pontificating force...but shes really the worst one for this conversation as she acted even more like a machine to protect britain including getting dirty when she needed to.
from the other hand, Kiritsugu once left situation without finishing it personally and it ended horribly. I guess he doesn`t want to do this mistake again.
I don't think there's anything personal at all in his "excuses". His entire character is about being completely impersonal; completely detached from personal feelings in order to carry out the greater good. If there was a less brutal way to efficiently bring about the same outcome, he would take it. As he said, he uses the most efficient tools at his disposal. One can argue about the philosophical implications of taking an ends justifies the means approach, but nothing he said is inherently wrong or an excuse.
His woman was under lancers curse that makes women simp for lancer.
because "THIS holy grail" is not the ordinally holy grail in King arthur story, this is just a artificial human made magic item, a wise mechanicals only, but is very powerful
This is why Emiya is the goat. He doesn’t use the fallacies of his father, Emiya and want to be a hero of justice who saves everyone.
Yes I know, I used Emiya twice, I’m feeling a little silly rn
Not a spoiler.
All Masters of this game have a good and bad side that made them realistic humans.
And Emiya Kiritsugu is the prime example of a morally gray character.
You can imagine this is a guy turned unhinged after witnessing the Cruelty of the world.
He still wanted to save the world with the wish of "Global Peace" and he will do anything just to win even if he dies portrayed as a villain.
See Zero Saber minds because she is written to be fragile but Normal Saber would be all into ruthless murder like Kiritsugu is lol.
Normal saber while she can fight with Honor and is into it what she likes more is winning.
I wouldn’t say “down with it” but she definitely wouldn’t be acting like what Zero depicted her as
@@thedimondminerz9049 It kinda depends on the situation, She was cool with dueling False Assassin fairly but fully ready to use exaclibur to nuke the whole neighborhood when Medea's skeleton army invaded Shirou's home
@@casuallectures2655 Yeah, it really depends, it mainly fluctuates with the stakes. The rematch with Assasin(at least from what I interpreted) seemed like she was speeding up and going faster than the first encounter.
While she likes fighting, she also has a code of honor.
The way Kiritsugu betrays that code of honor in this particular plan is especially sickening and disrespectful to her. I feel like that's exactly how she would react, given how much mutual respect she and Diarmuid had for each other. He basically tramples all over that and spits in both their faces and Diarmuid dies believing Saber was in on the plan. Like, how gross does that feel? I couldn't imagine.
Idk, this Saber doesn't seem fragile to me. Seems very on-brand for her character.
Have little idea of the Fate deep lore but couldn't that be because precisely meeting kiritsugu and admitting she was kind of naive? both when she talked to Gil and Alexander and after talking to Kiritsugu, after all, Zero happened before normal Fate, couldn't that mean she grew to agree slightly with Kiritsugu?
About when the HGW occurs: The Makiri, Tohsaka and Einzbern families made the grail system to charge up for 60 years and then summon servants, etc. To sum up Garnt's video:
First War - Cool! Who wants to make a wish first? (they kill each other, no winner)
Second War - So that won't happen I'll kill them all first! (no survivors, no winner)
Third War - We need rules? Okay, so the church can be the referee.... (no winner)
Fourth War - Going swimmingly so far! Sure nothing bad will happen!
This is one of my favorite dialogue in the series because they’re ideologically are both right to a degree but their personalities are completely opposite of each other. These two will never see eye to eye because of that
Best episode tho
Genious scene
Genious dialogue with saber
10/10
One of the best episodes in Anime to be fair.
Not even close
This is where downhill of this rollercoaster starts
“Lancer, shit yourself”
definitely brutal, but most brutal fate episode for me will always be unlimited blade works episode 15. no spoilers. if you know, you know.
No we can properly say: Welcome to Fate/Zero
This episode and the next one define this series perfectly, at least for me.
This anime so fire!!! I can't wait for "THAT MOMENTS!!! Luke reaction for that scene will be so precious!😂😂😂😂
I just noticed that you finally got to my favorite anime and you’re talkin crap about my favorite character any anything ever lol. Kiritsugu is my spirit animal. Can’t wait to see what you say about him in later episodes
It’s already been episode 16, and you can’t even remember the most basic character names, nor do you know the most basic settings of the story background, and this is all even when Chat is there to help you explain it. Perfection
If you think about it, all servants are not equal and there will always be a servant much stronger than the other and if you are given a weak servant, there is no way you can win the war.
Kiritsugu is what I deem to be the most realistic character in the show. Instead of just forcing servants to fight and pray that your servant wins, he is trying to win the war through his own capabilities too. This episode just shows that he desires victory more than Lancer’s master. Some may call his tactics underhanded, but as he said, in war, you either win or lose.
"If you are given a weak servant" well that would be the master fault. The master has the responsability of getting the relics that allow them to summon the stronger servant. If they let the summoning in "azar" hands that's up to them
@@MarcosPerez-wx1fx Not everyone has the resources to get an amazing servant. Without a relic, you just get paired with someone with high compatibility, which may be better than a strong servant that hates your guts. Ryuunosuke got Giles because they're both serial killers and got along swimmingly. Tokiomi got Gilgamesh, who is the strongest servant, but hates him. Kayneth would have had Iskander, but Waver stole the relic so he had to scramble for Diarmuid. If you have to summon an assassin, in the Fuyuki Grail Wars, it has to be one of the Hashashin, who all pretty much suck unless you get King Hassan or No Name Assassin.
War is arguably worse then Hell. there are no innocents in Hell, but there is in War.
Get ready for emotional roller coaster in ep.17
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After fate zero, you should definitely watch "fate: unlimited blade works". It is a story about the fifth war, Rin (the little girl) and Kiritsugu's adopted child will be in there.
I hope the next Fate you will upload will be done on main channel
>Kirei is now cool, and this guy sucks!
... Ah yeah, I can't wait for the next episode reaction...
All is fair in love and war.
is Urobutcher.. everyone gotta die
It is a Holy Grail War, by rules, everyone IS SUPPOSED to kill each other until only one remain (without getting into spoilers area), nor matter the costs, utilizing all tools and methods regardless if its dirty or not.
as long as it can be kept in secret from normal world
The only those that need to die are servant you dont need to kill the master Kiritsugu was just being extra lol
@@lop90ful1Nah, it's a strategic play and necessary by Kiritsugu's POV coz master is also skillfull mage and can affect the results of Holy Grail War even without a servant.
If Kiritsugu had let Kayneth go, there's no guarantee that Kayneth won't shoot Kiritsugu in the back, help the other mages or sign a new contract with another servant that lost its master.
Plus, anyone can enter and use the Holy Grail once its activated, Kayneth, if survived and is the first one to touch the Holy Grail can obtain it even without a servant.
But I get what you mean, servants dying is all that is required to activate the Holy Grail. Killing Master is not a requirement to activate it but still necessary from a strategy POV.
Actually not really........there is three majore rules:participance can only fight at night,they have to keep the casualties unaware of war and you cannot go to churches terrytory until you won or lost your servant then you can ask for your protection becuase the priest to supposed to make sure the rules are followed therefore he has to be neutral......but this rule was broken from the get go
@@rabela1810 Kiritsugu could just take them hostage and lock them somewhere they can't escape till the end.Considering that they both crippled and Keyneth can't use magecraft i doubt they could escape on their own.Also you can't touch the grail without a servant it was stated multiple times!
Lansa ga shinda!!!
I actually laughed a bit when you said that you don't like Kiritsugu anymore after this scene. When I first saw that it actually confirmed to my edgy self that Kiritsugu is the most based man who had ever lived. That is how you wage war. Honor is for pussies, everything goes. Using every method possible to completely annihilate the enemy.
I'm glad you know better now 😂 "war is the real inhumanity!" Wow such poetic words kiritsugu 😅 told to a woman who knows a lot more about human suffering and war than he does
Ahh yes and look what happened to him at the end of the anime
More miserable tham before provint him more wrong in the series
@@mizukumecasko1216 It's not like he didn't know that he would be miserable. The problem was that the goal itself was unachievable from the very beginning. I still don't have any problems with his methods
@@MrInuhanyou123 To be fair, Kiritsugu has seen A LOT of war and human suffering. The only problem was with him thinking that humanity can somehow be saved
I know another reactor who said that Kiritsugu is his favorite character after this scene but after episode 24 said that Kiritsugu is now the most hated character for him.That was hillarious🤣🤣considering that he did the same thing there as he did here!Also anihilate the enemy is easier say than do becuase as we see later even Saber can become the enemy and then what he will do? Yes in order to survive and live at war you need to be inhumane but you CAN'T end it by being inhumane......
TBH he's right like Saber has excused all her ways in the name of chivarly. In some messed up sense he is right.
Any saber outside of zero's "I want to crush saber" would be pissed that her one on one duel was interrupted but wouldn't question the methods and morality, back when we had the big monster caster saber would be the first one to suggest to remove the curse so she can excalibur caster out of this world