Krav Maga Doesn't Work
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2024
- Apologies to Jeff Phillips for spelling his name wrong in the video. I only noticed it after I uploaded it, and was too lazy to fix it.
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I'm fully aware that some Krav Mageeks are going to scream at me in the comments, and I want you to know that your tears are delicious.
CLARIFICATION: Krav Maga is perfectly adequate as a way to instill an aggressive mentality in soldiers, which is its real purpose.
It fails when used as a system of fighting, which is what many people attempt to use it for.
i practice it. i agree about the aggression but from personal experience i can tell you it's all about the fighter and not the "art".
it's been pretty effective from what i seen, my instructor has a blackbelt in jujitsu so my training might be a little more comprehensive that the basic standup most will learn.
Been an instructor, bouncer, officer, fighter for almost 30 years. I've studied numerous arts and have been in plenty of street fights. Krav Maga does work, when trained properly. McDojos exist in all systems/arts. Many Krav Maga studios are more or less similar to fitness kick boxing. A guy studies various arts, picks up a cert after a few days of training.... Bam.... School. Training must have full contact, often painful, unpredictable attackers. From shock knives, simunition, to tremendous stress, etc. In addition, the system must evolve. Meaning through real events, experience in actual confrontations, etc. Most arts/schools have set techniques, forms, non responsive attackers, etc. Doesn't work. True KM is brutal. Get attacked, figure it out or get shot, get stabbed, get punched, get knocked out. Many people avoid training in studios like this, or they try and never come back because it scares them. Under this high pressure, you find what works and what doesn't. What you see on TH-cam isn't KM. It's impressive moves. KM is trial by fire, if it's not, it's not KM, it's not self defense. Again! All arts, all schools suffer the same fate. It's the individual, it's the instructor that makes the system successful or fail. Through all of my training, in many arts, KM is the most effective, when translated correctly. Self defense is about principles, timing, tactics and the will of the individual to fight. Not moves. 👍 If KM is terrible, then all martial arts are terrible.
@@TheDTInstructor I really don't think this guy doing the video has ever been in a fist fight. I am sure he has not been in one that involves more than two people. or one where sticks and knives were involved. I probably have not been involved in as many fights as you but I have had some over the years along with restraining some for arrest. I agree with your assessment of KM.
I never understood how or why KM ever crossed over to the western civilian world. From my experience all KM was is that annoying time in basic training when we learned weapon strikes\ defense from knives in the unfortunately likely case we will need it. I cant see how anything we practiced then will be of any use to me unarmed. The "aggressive mentality" can be achieved just as well with other contact sports.
@@olegbukhalo First , KM stated in the Western world during WWII as a street fighting method to oppose Nazi's by unarmed resisters. If you have no prior fighting experience it may help. We hear the story but I have no idea how effective it was for those poor oppressed people of that time.
Yes, KM teaching knife, gun and stick defenses. it is nice to know but to me they are a last hope of defense after all else fails. It is better to run if you can. Thankfully I never had to use what I learned.
KM was invented by a VERY gifted athlete well trained in boxing and wrestling and some other Martial arts like Karate. Any martial art works better if you are a very very good athlete that is well trained and have the fighting spirit. He was also involved in Martial arts sports. SO that must always be considered when looking at his method. What worked for him may not work for you.
The one thing he did was make Km very simple (for the most part). It was designed for the very guy to learn quickly. Simple self defense moves and aggressive mores are a good start for the average person. . For many the best thing KM does to prepare the for a fight is to teach them an aggressive way to start a fight. This is helpful to a person in fear and or never fought before.
KM is not perfect but for some people with limited training time or money or those not interested in long-term practice of a MA it has its place. At least something like it has a useful place. It teaches thing they may never get otherwise. Not everyone will enjoy hours a week in the gym.
People that don't give a damn about gym talk or martial arts need to know self -defense too. Asking them to learn a MA is not practical. A gym will not be able to earn a living off those only interested in self-defense. They will not be long-term learners. They have other interest in life. They may never watch a MMA match.
Lets face it most of what you spend time learning in any formal MA is useless on the street anyway. You are an expert at NO Martial art after taking KM. But you get a lot in a short period of time to enable you a better chance of defending yourself.
Krav Maga instructor here. You are pretty much spot on. Much of what is called Krav in the U.S. is often junk. I have an MMA and BJJ base and the Krav organization I am affiliated with is the same and we practice regular sparring. We follow the principles you mentioned, and if it doesn't work, we ditch it as it's too complicated. Good video.
From my experience, majority of IDF soldiers couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag either if they don't have a rifle. Not sure if military Krav Maga is equally ineffective or armed forces don't get much in the way of lessons.
@@spectre9065 true, but the same could be said of nearly any regular infantry soldier. I’ve sparred with a lot of untrained Marines (except for their military combatives training) and a few special forces guys, and you are correct, they often are overwhelmed by a moderately trained fighter.
@@dustinsegers4534 As can be said for a majority of black belts. A lot of them are teenagers or soccer parents who take it as a fun activity and have no desire to compete. In fact, they are worse off than an average combat soldier because they don't have the psychological toughness to keep from breaking down when push comes to shove.
@@spectre9065 Yes indeed. A very good point.
Military combatives are only basic hand-to-hand as an emergency backup in a SHTF scenario. A soldier's main weapons are rifles, tanks and heavy artillery. If you are forced to fight hand-to-hand things have gone very very wrong.
That bit about "you're going to get whatever your instructor's background is" is extremely important - one of my earliest friend's father was a private self defense instructor, with a background in Karate and kickboxing, and essentially just taught a loose-form, high-aggression mixture of those arts sold as "Krav Maga" because the name gets people in the door.
I always say "Krav Maga is more of an attitude than it is a style." There's nothing wrong with their ten principles, generally speaking. The rest is instructor dependent.
If the instructor is good, then you will get a decent mix of close range striking, clinch fighting, vitals targeting, takedown defense, simple weapons, disarms, and non-sport scenarios (location, surprise, size difference, etc). If the instructor is bad, then you get a lot of yelling and cosplay.
The first one is severely limiting your defense game.
Id rather take the “krav maga attitude” of finishing a fight quickly but just apply muay thai, boxing, bjj to finish tht fight quickly lol
100%. It's sloppy ju jitsu made to get out of bad situations and not to control someone.
I've practiced Krav Maga for 9 years, and it actually helped to defend myself from a knife attack. But, my instructor had a different approach, he taught us how to utilize our arms, how to evade and how to strike effectively. Once he had the basics layouted for us, he would give our pair knifes, clubs and other stuff and just "toss" us into the dojo while saying things like "Theory will get you so far... Now practice and die a few times here so you don't have to die out there" - The fights were quite real, our attackers would grab our shirts, try to tackle us down, slice several times at once etc...
Said and done, the knifes would mark us with red paint and the objective was to get rid of the attacker without dying. This was it, plus the sparring which was focused on learning how to parry, dodge and counter-attack.
THAT is awesome! 👏🏼 Bravo to your instructor!
I took Krav Maga for 2 years, you're absolutely right. After 2 months of Muay Thai, I was already more competent at fighting then after 2 years of Krav 😂
I practice Krav Maga myself it’s the perfect balance for myself you might have signed up to a mcdojo for krav my guy glad you found a place with Muay Thai
@thomo2127 yeah. I'm definitely making generalizations here. It's just that a lot of Krav gyms are mcdojos, so I'd generally recommend a combat sport
that's the problem of your trainers not the style itself
@badfoody read my above comment. Where I do agree I made generalizations and that there is a variety of quality. The issue is the lack of quality control
@@badfoodyexcept when your "style" but rather a culmination of techniques and you are more likely to find bad dojos then good ones. Then it shouldn't even be a style at all. Why not just join a proven combat sport gym then try your luck with finding a good krav maga gym. And MMA is better than krav maga anyways, why even go through the effort at all? Because it has a military aesthetic and it makes you feel more badass?
If fighting is not allowed in a martial art,then that's not a martial art,it's just cardio/fitness😂
Well yea, no sparring/fighting is like going to a dry gym without a pool and trying to learn how to swim without ever actually getting in the water 😂
Did it on and off for a couple of years. Some of it has great application, while others, such as the "plucking" choke defenses, have no place in real life. My instructor knew this and also taught kickboxing for an hour before the actual Krav class. This turned out to be a genius move. It gave us real insight on how to apply MMA principles to a self-defense situation. I kind of wish more schools did that.
This backs up my experience. 21 year veteran of the US Army and life-long martial artist. I've trained at some well-known and highly regarded MMA gyms, and decided to try a local KM school. After a few months of classes, I came to the conclusion that all I was getting from it was sub-par MMA instruction.
This sounds like my friends and me shitting about whatever in high school just for the sake of shitting on something.
What I've noticed about the rare occassions that I've seen good Krav Maga experts in action, it starts looking incredibly similar to Muy Thai, JJ, and wrestling, just with extra face or groin stomps at the end of every altercation.
This is correct. Because it's a system, like Jeet Kun Do, that takes the best techniques from all forms or self-defense/martial arts and integrates them into real world scenarios.
I've met some Krav Maga practitioners with a base in MMA. They are worth their salt.
Those would be the instructors who didn’t survive in the MMA gym market
@@gunna2k No, they are still doing MMA as well as Krav Maga. That's why they are worth their salt.
@@Agtren You might be talking about the smart ones who teach MMA techniques in jeans and boots. Because “Krav Maga” sells better.
"If you pre-emptively stab the guy in the eye with a pen, YOU'RE THE BADGUY" hahahahaha! Love it.
"You go STRAIGHT to JAIL". Yup. Lol.
We are also trained on the laws, perceptions, self defense and obviously respect. What that principal is talking about is that the person who strikes first has the advantage than someone reacting. Does that makes sense? If someone has a gun to your head assume he is willing to use it. Etc. there are many other principles that prepare you for the reality of the streets or is it best to wait for the referee to blow the whistle?
My personal opinion is that Krav Maga is one of those martial arts that in order for it to work for an individual, you need to have at the bare minimum intermediate to advanced abilities in legit striking and grappling styles and to be pretty athletic on top of that in order to make Krav Maga work, and by the time you've gained the tool set and attributes to make Krav Maga work, the tools you've already acquired are more likely than not more reliable and effective than the tools you're now physically capable of pulling off through Krav Maga. It is certainly not a style a beginner in any style should take or someone should for civilian self defense. If you want to be good at defending yourself simply learn how to fight
Your opinion is pointless if you start with "Krav Maga is one of those martial arts" ... as it is not a martial art.
Is gunning a person can be considered as krav maga
@@batmeme9349 100%
Spot on!
@@philcliffe6909average keyboard warrior that’s never practiced
I had a sparing session with a bar owner that was a black belt in krav maga. I have trained mma for 3 years he still beat me
if you want to use life experience as evidence atleast show proof it actually happened. Because no one here believes you
Okay karate white belt, don't go around calling you're self martal artist and getting beat by overweight person who can even throw a punch to save their life.
I don't know any KM that have belts
I have clearly been doing a very different Krav Maga than what you have been seeing. The reason there's no competitions is because it isn't a sport, its fighting--and very dirty fighting at that. I'm also not sure where you got the conception that it's just a set of principles and not techniques. Anyway, I'm very interested as to where the disparity is! If I had to guess, it's that you are coming from a combat sports perspective, and myself and my instructors are coming at it from a self-defense perspective. And yes, we do spar, and yes, it has very much been adapted for civilians, and they very much have tested to moves. I mean, it was originally (before Israel was a country) developed to fight Nazi sympathizer gangs in the streets to keep them out of your nice, Jewish neighborhood. We are also absolutely taught the legal ramifications of our actions and appropriate use of force, which I know is where some schools go wrong, so I dunno, I must be in a good area!
I know my instructor has real world experience: he was a bodyguard and a bouncer, as well as having been in some notable fights throughout his life (as one might imagine of that career). He definitely has some things to say about certain schools, but overall seems to have good faith in Krav Maga techniques and principles.
I'm very curious as to where you found your video examples. It looks almost nothing like that Krav I've seen here on the East Coast!
Anyway, would love some good literature and links if you'll spare the time. I'm always interested to learn more!
I got pretty much all the examples by searching "krav maga" and "real krav maga" on TH-cam.
Here's some of the videos I used:
th-cam.com/video/N-ss_OfxsgA/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/qWJlooO_4jQ/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/wSMKdeUjw1s/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/2uc44atkviU/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/jzewx6980Go/w-d-xo.html
I can't remember if I used clips from all of these, because I'm too lazy to re-watch my own video, but these should contain almost all of the clips I used.
Krav Maga is very much a set of principles. Schools obviously teach specific techniques, but what the techniques are vary by school. Even in the IDF, the instructor teaches moves from whatever their background happens to be. And it can all be considered Krav Maga if it abides by the correct philosophy and principles. At least, that's how it's used in the IDF. I don't know if the civilian schools have an outlined curriculum.
Hopefully, your school IS one of the better ones. But be aware that having competitions is a critical aspect of fighting effectiveness. If your martial art doesn't compete, it needs to at least pay attention to the ones that do compete.
@@ArmchairViolence I appreciate a little more insight to your experience. Thank you for your time!
@@ArmchairViolence yeah I recognized your arguments from prior videos . I knew where you got then without the links but thanks.
Majority of bouncers are just big dudes, they're not strong or skilled at anything fight related.
If you are trying to quickly fight off someone on the streets, it doesn't matter. With any legit martial art, just get a few months of training and the average asshole on the street will become mundane to you unless you are physically incapable.
@@spectre9065should really read what dude was saying because it’s facts if you doubt legit Krav you’ve only been seeing mcdojos
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I trained Krav Maga for about a year and while this video doesn’t reflect my experience exactly, my instructor would have been the first to tell you that Krav Maga has a quality control problem. He had the whole class in a FB group chat and would regularly post videos from Krav Maga McDojos and have us critique their zero resistance, aikido-esque nonsense and propose more viable, realistic defenses to whatever “attack” was coming their way.
There was also very real expectations set about what Krav Maga was and was not. We weren’t learning to become John Wick, we were training to have the broadest possible array of situational defenses to defend ourselves against the least common denominator. The argument was for developing breadth of knowledge vs depth of knowledge. I ultimately left because that’s not how I like to learn, but I can see the value in a **well-curated** Krav Maga practice as long as everyone involved is being honest with themselves about what skills such a program does and does not grant.
So your instructor and his teaching methods and views pretty much agrees with Jake but your experience does not?
So, you’re anecdotal story is the exact thing they’re talking about towards the end, that it depends on your instructor, their background and mindset outside of krav, but that you’re experience is excruciatingly hard to find and not the norm, so you are, by the percentage of bullshit available, better off choosing a good BJJ gym. That’s the point they make and you just walked into it like a door
Go try fighting someone in the Israeli Defense Force. You'll see how ineffective they are in a melee. Military get a very brief Krav Maga course and never use it on the modern battlefield. If you still think hand to hand has applications in a world where wars are won by firearms and heavy ordinance, you are going off video games which compress range and exaggerate durability.
I think that role of testing as means to prove techniques is secondary to the fact that it's impossible to even reliably learn techniques without testing them personally, due to way human acquire that kind of skills (see sport theory about motor learning stages for open type skills or something around those lines).
As you said in another video, "A good martial art uses high percentage techniques". In war this means weapons and projectiles. Ming dynasty unarmed combat was 3 months. General Qijiguan said that unarmed combat was nearly worthless in war, but it kept his soldiers in shape and raised morale to have unarmed bouts. This was before "kung fu" as we know it was created with forms etc. Personally I think marine pugil sticks are overlooked. They are arguably better at teaching the vectors, angles, and circles of combat, range aggression etc.
Great video. You nailed it in every corner it's unbelievable. Every krav school you can actually tell what martial art background the teacher had lmao.
To be fair, suggesting that a tournament is a good way of testing something's effectiveness is a bit limited because if both people are using the same style of fighting, it is immediately representing an unrealistic scenario.
Alright this video was hilarious. I was rolling when you started talking about preemptively stabbing someone in the eye until they stop moving!
Well, Master ken would be agree with that statement.
To be fair that would be effective, and he never denies that, but you will go to prison (depending on the situation ofc.) I'm usually armed so I can give examples of times when it would be acceptable to go there, but they're limited and if you have at least a semi-functioning brain you can figure out when it's okay to go all of the way there.
@@msihcs8171 this. Very hard to plead self-defense if you strike first
So it’s basically a less clearly obviously LARP version of ninjutsu. Instead of larping as a ninja who didn’t even fight that way, you’re larping as a soldier who doesn’t even fight that way.
Funny how that works
Just like aikido
Interesting take. I found some of the arguments a little short sighted, stereotypical, and cherry picked from the typical "krav" videos on TH-cam -- but either way, as someone who has been doing Krav for years and very much aware of the good and the bad, I get it. There are flaws (as there are with any system though). Krav has sort of made itself easy to pick on in some regards.
While there are flaws, it's hard for me to make a blanket statement and say that the whole system doesn't work. That's a pretty strong accusation. Perhaps I've just been lucky in my experience? Who knows. In my experience (training or teaching), we have always sparred, pressure tested, sought to improve curriculum, discussed legality in self-defense, cross trained, etc. I dont mind "admitting" to cross training either because I don't think that proves that it doesnt work. Don't all styles have to cross train to a certain degree? BJJ needs striking. Striking needs grappling. Almost all of them lack weapons training and environmental based scenarios (car, home, outside, etc) which Krav can provide.
Perhaps it's more of the principles and "idea" of Krav that I think are still very applicable. Krav isnt just Krav. It's SUPPOSED to be whatever works best -- and if that's supplementing or changing the curriculum to involve more mma, grappling, different knife techniques, etc. then cool! I'm all for advancement and improvement. But hey, that can be a high bar to reach for some and without a doubt there is, unfortunately, a lot of terrible Krav out there. Hurts my little Krav heart, but it is what it is.
Anyway, just my thoughts. I don't really get offended. I'm just a dude that likes to train and learn. 6 years of Krav. 3 years of Muay Thai, Dutch Kickboxing, and Jits. I love them all! Either way, I appreciate the time, effort, and balls it takes to put a video out like this haha. 🙏
I suppose the promotion of it didn't help itself though didn't it lol When it first started making its way around every one was quickly becoming an instructor and slagging everything else off but using stuff from the arts it was slagging off
You're absolutely right, Krav is non comparable because it's basically "using whatever is best for the situation you're in" i.e. in an MMA fight, use MMA. If someone stabs you, use ur second nature
@@davidordman1991 mma is not a style Krav is also mma lmao
If you trained thai boxing.. and have trained and roll regularly or compete.. you must no krav mega is bullshit iv trained thai boxing then judo to blackbelt then Bjj to purple and sum sambo my old judo m8 Ryan found a sambo school the teacher is Russian in his 50s left Russia in his 20s but was also a junior national judo champion before he got into sambo ir was fun and there was women there that were absolutely beautiful... but if you have been doing randori for years and sparring you no all this he does this then I do that.. like in aikido you understand fighting doesn't work like that I grab this he with do oops iv just been caught in a flying triangle or a quick osoto gari... or iminari roll to a leglock you can't predict what your opponents going to do in the heat of combat... you training Bjj must know this high level blackbelts get caught and tapped every tournament and they are masters how can a guy after training krav mega think he can judge someone attacking them with a knife they can't as a judoka having had a randori session with a aikido master.. it was like throwing a stiff first class ever white belt when changing grips on him he would just straighten his arms out so you could grip over the top control him and when you throw him you and he tries his own attacks but you just out grip him and throw him again you see in there face it's like a guy that's never grappled before in his life ... aikido is no use against anyone
But wearing camo pants means my enemy won't see my groin kicks coming!
I've trained krav maga for 30 days
So far i've killed 341 attackers
Why are your numbers so low😁
I've trained with two krav guys. First guy was a cop and had a back ground in a variant in Japanese jujutsu which he used regularly against criminals. The other guy was from Israel and he trained their police. There were times he'd show us how they used to do it and then tell us how someone died doing that so they changed. For awhile, I used what they showed to great effect (their weapons stuff was a million times better than the system I was doing taught and they still weren't all that great). Now I tend to use stuff that's from wrestling and bjj mixed with karate, which was where I learned striking.
said. " Now I tend to use stuff that's from wrestling and bjj mixed with karate, which was where I learned striking"
Why do you use karate as they seem to me to be long distance strikes? What about clenching?
You say you tend to use them, what do you mean ? How and when are you using them?
BTW I think KM is very weak on ground fighting so Wrestling and BJJ are good to add with any self -defense system. SO my questions relate more to the standup fighting. In a self defense fight I don't like the idea of going to the ground if it can be avoided.
@@Cuffsmaster the style of karate I learned wasn't long range. It was more up close. We used a lot of short punches and elbow strikes and what not
@@Cuffsmaster and I learned how to clinch from karate
A cop is basically an untrained guy in a real fight.
I hope you’re ready for all the wannabe commandos you just made angry
Hey! Former Krav Maga practitioner here with over 12 years of training. First, this is a great video and actually pretty spot on considering you have never trained it yourself. I can confirm that most of what you said was true. Only thing I'd like to correct is that traditional schools do have a curriculum and won't accept anything outside said curriculum as krav maga.
With that said, After that humongous time training, I have seen SOME stuff that actually works in reality (specially the stick defense principles, those are actually pretty simple and useful).
I have been training MMA for some time now and since then, I have been able to filter a most of km's bullcrap. I teach self defense without following KM's curriculum, only teaching what I have been able to test and prove that works, which also includes a short number of krav techniques.
What about the things in Krav that you can't test in MMA? The stuff that would be illegal?
@@IronSharpensIron127 check out the old UFC or pankration no rules or lethwei with the head butts th-cam.com/users/shortso8KpAfO-H3o?feature=share
@@MBryy 🤣😂 now that's some krav tactics
@@IronSharpensIron127 "what about the things in KM you can't test in MMA that would be illegal"
They are only illegal if you can't explain why they are excessive force. They is no more force that a gun being fired and it is not always considered excessive force. It would be the same for forcing your fingers in a guys eyes.
Any aggressive action must be justified later by you explaining. That includes any violent behavior including just a shove.
@@CuffsmasterUnderrated comment. Laws always come down to you and a few people talking and explaining things in a courtroom.
Former Israeli infantry man here. You are absolutely right.
Krav maga is not a martial art but a set of ideas. It's goal originally is to teach people who never fought in their life what to do in case they get into melee (which is already a fail), in two weeks. Even the most elite army units in Israel train 99.9% of their time in physical conditioning (mostly running with weight, crawling etc), marksmanship and group tactics. There is simply not enough time for any proper melee training, let alone a real sports training like boxing, wrestling of bjj. That is why they teach Krav Maga just in case they get into melee, which they should avoid at all cost.
Also, 70% of military Krav Maga is focused of melee strikes with your rifle. TBH I do not understand people who go to Krav Maga classes in their civilian life. Krav Maga came out of necessity and time limitation. With time of your hands you better go do a real sport like boxing or wrestling, which will also be more effective as self defence practice.
You just woke up my neighbors ;-) (My tendency to laugh too loud played a role too...)
If you're a soldier, in combat there's a high probability that you're wearing a helmet. Headbutting might be a more viable option. Also, if you didn't have your guns but you still had a loaded magazine, maybe you could wrap your fist around it and punch the enemy with it. These are the sort of things that come to my mind when I think of soldiers improvising weapons in a fist fight. Not something I could use.
In my head, I always think of throwing a lamp, or those scenes in old samurai movie where the samurai has lost his weapon and throws sand in his attackers eyes
100% and that is also what was shown years ago when krav maga was still kinda new. Like using the barrel of the gun to push against an enemy.
A train boxer will knock out any Krav Maga pro anyday.
In a boxing match, yes. In a life or death situation, no.
@@candchydeIn either yes, 95% of the time wake up.
@@candchydeeven in a life or death situation. The sheer speed, reactions and accuracy alone of a pro will overwhelm any Krav magoo idiot.
@@putinski666not even a pro, an amateur
I’m a 30+ yr retired veteran. I started boxing when I was 15. I moved into Hapkido in my 20s. Jumped on the BJJ & Sambo bandwagon several years ago. Recently, I’ve added KM. I’m not one of those people who bash any fighting style. They all have their strengths & weaknesses, and certainly some are better than others against trained fighters. But to be effective you should continuously expand your skills & your mind across various disciplines (including marksmanship). If you think KM is worthless, I think you’re sadly mistaken. It’s the dirty fighting of the martial arts world. Victory is not the objective in KM. Survival is the singular goal. And to that end, I find it very effective. Just my opinion.
“Undercook fish: jail. Overcook chicken: jail”
I have often seen Krav-Maga-Videos where someone has been stabbed in the back with a pistol, even a submachine gun, and within a second the guy that was threatened had deflected that attack with a graceful twist and sweep with his hand or arm, disarming the attacker. That always struck me as extremely unbelievable. And dangerous, too, for after all in reality the attacker only has to bend his finger on the trigger.
So what would you do? Just crap your pants? There are psychological aspects to disarm someone, distractions, timing, distance, complying till the opportunity to attic, etc.
Any school with camo pants is extremely suspect.
As icy Mike said, name one thing you can get good at without doing? Without live sparring a martial art can't be practical. And even then it takes so damn long to get good at. Last night we drilled scissor sweeps for 25 minutes and I still couldn't land one while rolling after.
It's so hard to land the moves you just drilled while rolling, because the other guy KNOWS you want them. 😂
@@ArmchairViolence that might have been it actually. I had swept the same guy last week with a much worse scissor sweep. He knew damn well what I was doing when I hipped left this time though haha.
@@jasoncronin9145 See, if you already crushed him with a scissor sweep, he's putting 100% of his focus on not getting scissor swept. Now it's impossible! But if you make him hyper focused on the scissor sweep, you can catch him in everything else haha!
@@ArmchairViolence I did immediately arm bar him!
The legitimacy of 'well the military uses it so obviously it works' disappears when you see videos of the Soviets practicing karate drills
That's because the Soviets are intelligent fighters and even invented a well philosophize martial art system called Systema that teaches you how to ignore pain and build your own defense from relaxing by building awareness to your own psyche. This military system compared on paper to me is lot more realistic and fluid than Krav Maga logically speaking because Krav Maga's mindset only just relies on doing brutal tactics whatever you can with no thought processing for strategies and puts heavy emphasis on using your opponent's movements to build your own defense this comes at the cost for the assailant taking in the advantage to dramatically outmaneuver the Krav Maga guy depending on the user's mental strain or trauma especially if the assailant is also acknowledged with martial arts which will likely be a difficult situation to deal with. the system is defense-oriented that's not focused on fighting while Systema has a better balance focus on full aspects of defense and fighting at least in my opinion.
@@Lex_Blade Yes the Russians _definitely_ use Systema and not Sambo...
This delusion was shattered for me when I started training at an MMA gym right outside a major military base. Something like 80% of the guys coming through the door are military and while they're in great shape and have the natural aggression that makes for good fighters, the newbies are absolutely lost on the mats. They get rolled up by average hobbyists who train maybe 3 times per week. Really makes me wonder why we waste tax dollars on these military combatives systems when we could be subsidizing MMA training for members of the armed forces. Frankly, anyone who wanted to open a chain of gyms on military bases that teach standard MMA curriculum and then maybe add in some work in full gear and some warfare specific situational training would probably make an absolute fortune.
My buddy is a bjj brown belt, reasonable good judo player and boxed to a decent standard had about 15 fights. There is a Krav studio in the gym we go to lift weights. There was a bit of banter between them and the krav instructor said any time !!! So my mate went in a few days later about 10 minutes into his class. He said come on then. Long story short the krav instructor ran at him with a flying knee and unloaded a few punches to his ear. Nothing really landed. My mate sweeped him too the floor, put him in a kimura, broke his arm and punched his face in. My Krav Maga story.
similar experience here vs a 5th degree TKD black belt and Krav expert LOL - the shots that hit me I could barely even feel, they had no sense of balance, grappling, contact manipulation, locks, parries etc. literally like fighting a new student in their first lesson
Sounds about right.
I would honestly bet on some 15 year old karate kid with a decent amount of sparring experience over a krav maga instructor.
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Riiiiight
Sorry but i don't believe that shit
One thing that so called reality based systems have in common is they absolutely refuse to test any of their techniques in real time against a resisting person. I’m not even talking about someone fighting back, I’m talking about any kind of resistance. My advice is to never trust an instructor who wears camo haha
I have the same feeling about a barefoot guy in his white pajamas. In 72 years I have never seen one of those guys on the street much less been in a fight with one. Most were wearing blue jeans and a short sleeve shirt.
On the contrary, I have trained Krav Maga for 8 years and almost every single class is ended with stress drills or some form of legit resistance. There’s a lot of lame KM out there but any decent school has loads of resistance each and every class.
@@BlazeTSU I think Krav Maga is good for self defense and perhaps among the best for the average person not interested in becoming addicted to the gym or fighting. It is not a sport therefore is open to including wicked things in basic training.
The average person would win a certain percent of street fights without any training. Most martial arts training and self defense courses would add to that and increase the percentage of fights you'd win.
There are going to be some fights you will lose no matter how much you train be it the guy is luck - uses a gun or knife - or is just a better fighter SO that percent you will not win.
I think Krav Maga would put you at the high point of the bell curve and you'd have a very good chance at winning a fight.
You will not win a BBJ sprot match against a blue belt
You will not win a Judo match
You will not win a boxing sport match under boxing rules against a skilled boxer.
You will not win a MMA fight in the cage. Who cares?
BUt you have a very good chance of winning a fight to protect your life. You will be much higher on the bell curve of fights you can win,
In addition, there is training time verses effect on winning. TO be good at MMA or effective at Sport BJJ you need to spend a lot of time each week. Just like training for any sport.
Self defense courses require less time as they should. For me self defense is something you do for protection. For the average person to win most fights it takes less hours and training. . Hell most fight last less than 30 seconds.
The average person knowing little about fighting on the street can gain a lot from KM. I don't consider KM anything but self-defense which is my interest. I don't care must about sport BJJ or MMA. I seldom watch any MMA fights and have never paying to view one on fight night.
I mean really what are you changes of getting into a street fight with a ranked MMA fighter or purple belt in BJJ. Again time needed in training to defend yourself is less. . What is effective for the time you spend training if self-defense is your goal.
You want to be an MMA fighter - then ignore KM
If you want to do sport wrestling or grabbing then don't train in KM
If you want self defense for the street then consider it
@@Cuffsmaster agreed!
@@Cuffsmaster this is what I'm thinking the City I am living in is becoming dangerous I'd like to be able to protect my self , or random woman I see get harrased. Any form of martial arts besides takewondo should help in that. But what I'm trying to figure out is which one is best
Before taking krav, I took kickboxing and bjj. I prefer krav, and yes we do sparring. Why? Because it gives me quite a few more fun tools in my tool box. Simple. It's essentially dirty MMA. And you're right, it depends on the school.
As a ATA student 19 years ago it was required for us in the instructor program to learn it I didn’t really care for it that much to me it was more hype then what you needed to know for everyday protection as a taekwondo instructor I teach more combat skills than how high you can kick
So glad Icy Mike led me to your channel.
Same
Many years ago a Krav instructor from Israel came to my academy. He told me he was an IDF trainer. I asked him why he chose to come to my school, which was a JKD and Filipino martial arts school, instead of a Krav school. He said he couldn't find one legitimate Krav school here. He said there was no quality control in the Krav here so he wanted to try another similar style. So he signed up with me for a few years.
Damn you’re improving with your humour ... as for Krav Maga.. that’s pretty spot on. I actually used to like it as a pre-teen, but I remember someone else debunking it back then..
We all go through a phase where we like Krav Maga. It's a part of growing up! lol
Debunking Krav? Lol.
@@elaines5750 wym?
@@darkghoul4049 I mean that Krav is an effective fighting method. You have to train properly and you have to be trained by a certified instructor, not a wannabe. Too many wannabes out there, sadly, giving Krav a bad name. I ended up in the ER after my orange belt test but I managed to finish. The guy who put my teeth through my lip wasn't so lucky. He got his nose broken later in the test by someone else lol.
@@indubhushan8304 So you're saying if I'm attacked by someone and I use a Krav move to defend myself, I'll go to jail??? Huh??? But if I use a BJJ move, that's okay? LMAO. Our class was structured. We learned specific moves taught by a certified Krav Maga black belt instructor. It's legit.
How do you think if I take part in a competition with a gun .KM is not fit for competition as it focus on survival
Could you take a look at "Urban Combativs Netherlands" and let me know what you think?
I've done (doing) some KM and while I admit that I certainly don't have a lot of experience I thought I just share a bit. We tend to do 75% + sparing with partners during every session. It is always very much hands on and I usually have a number of bruises after each class, certainly not from punching air. Who knows maybe it is one of the better classes you've mentioned. I find that it really puts you in the mindset of awareness and a defensive mode and I am exhausted after the classes (in a good way). Believe me I am definitely a very peaceful person but have had the experience of being attacked in the past. Not pleasant. In the classes we have never ever been told to attack first as you've mentioned. It is always to react fast but not to engage in any way if unprovoked (where you know a hit is just about to land in your face). We even practice this for example with punches coming your way or being shoved and then "punched" at. I am sure though that some idiots will use it for unprovoked aggression but that's on them then. Also "eye stabbing" hasn't been part of that at all either. At least to what I know. Thanks for the video. Certainly interesting to hear other opinions. I am not claiming that I know everything.
Watch real life fights your not being taught krav because he’s teaching you moves from other martial arts not krav is what he’s saying
@@tankbeast8480 Yeah, quite possibly. I admit I probably don't know enough of other martial arts at this point in time.
@@specimon
To me the point of this vid is that good KM still has fundamentals (sparring and grappling)
Which means whatever else that good KM then teaches will more likely be effective bc you know the basics of how to deal with a resisting opponent.
Really none of his criticism in this vid will only apply to just Krav Maga...there are lot of mcdojos out there in almost every martial art/street combat/self defense.
If you train with honest pressure testing then that is probably a good place to be.
@@memegazer yeah makes sense. Thanks for the reply!
@@tankbeast8480 KM is nothing but moves from other fighting styles and was a MMA type system before MMA even existed. I am not sure about what they call a 360 defense in KM as I never learned it but KM seems to be about teaching basic self-defense moves.
You don't need complex Martial Arts skills for self defense in most case because the average fight only last about 10 seconds. Or at least that is what they clam. They always seemed a lot longer to me however. Almost all fights are won with simple basic moves. The winner uses aggression one it starts.
If you look at the curriculum of KM it is a combination of several arts. It gives you basic moves in boxing - judo- wrestling - ground fighting - clenching - dirty fighting. It must be simple to be remembered when used at the high stress and speed of a real life fight.
Is it the best for self defense? I don't know but if you safe yourself in a real fight then who cares. Many real fights are deadly or at least there is a high possibility you will be in need of medical care after it. Me included as I broke a finger on a guys head during a fight. They moves for fights in that high stress must be simple and easy to execute. You just don't remember complex moves in a fight. Well that is my experience anyway. But they may well be because I didn't constantly take a self defense class.
My training was a little like KM in that it was based on moves from self defense and controlling the other party. These moves were taken from many arts.
I've gone back and forth with this myself. Is it good? Is it shit? At best, like you said, it's going to teach you a poor mans MMA. Poor mans MMA with situational awareness and some weapon stuff that could also be shit. Honestly, at its best, I'd say it's passable for defending yourself in a street encounter. Mainly because, as much as a lot of these systems like to push the boogeyman that is the "Street Fighter", the reality is, most people you're going to encounter on "Da ST33T!!!!" couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. So knowing at least something and maybe having enough confidence to try and pull it off, you've got a decent shot of coming out on top.
Which to be honest, can be said about really any martial arts worth its salt.
If you come up against someone else that's had significant training in a full contact combat art? I'd say your chances are pretty fucked. No amount of "Dirty street moves" are going to overcome good solid fighting fundamentals and you'd probably be asleep or on your arse before you got the chance to try out your dirty nut grab technique.
Though the biggest problem is in what you've said. The above is speaking through the idea of finding a good Krav gym. The quality control with Krav is completely non-existent and your more likely to walk into a terrible one than a good one. Hell I've seen a lot of systems that teach it exclusively online. Or where you can go through your entire belt curriculum online. Often by someone in tactical gear or camo pants. That's either severely overweight or is stick thin. Which also share commonality with Aikido and other arts just like it.
The reason being is that anyone can open a Krav gym. I could open one tomorrow and start teaching my style of Krav Maga and milk idiots for money. You, yes you reading this could probably do that too. Lack of quality control leads to that.
Though yeah, the biggest blunder you point out is the almost complete emission of competition. If you're not competing, how do you know if your shit works? How have you tested your shit? You have no fighting experience. Fighting experience is important. There's stress and adrenaline there that no amount of co-operative training is going to help you deal with. Sure, you have to omit some moves. Big whoop. You're forced to get better at your foundation, so as to beat the other person who also could have a solid foundation. The other person that has a steak in beating you up, whether it be for pride or purse or both.
The response you get from this is "I get my fight experience from DA ST333T!!!" Okay.... How? Maybe if you're a bouncer or law enforcement where in your trade requires you to be in constant confrontation (Though even move police officers that have come to train at the place I train tend to suck, though they have weapons and strength in numbers to sort that out) I could understand that. If you're Joe Blogs, and you're getting into enough fights in the street to be able to master an art of fighting... Then either you're talking bullshit or you're the problem.
Anyway. Closing out, I see this is a relatively new channel that's going to be jumping into some controversial subjects. You've got a subscriber out of me, good luck with your channel.
I love the old "biro in the eye" trick. Haha you are the bad guy 😂
What martial art should I go into instead?
Combat sports are usually a good place to start. But it depends on what you want to do!
Hey. I’m an audio engineer. If you need someone to clean up your audio, let me know. I love your content. Rare to see someone start out so good.
Is the audio that bad? I'm using a mic similar to Icy Mike's in a quieter environment.
Although, I do have very soft background music. Is that making it sound muddy to viewers? Or is it something else?
@@ArmchairViolence it’s the wall being directly behind you probably. Icy smile is usually in a more open room
It works as well as any other self protection system. Doing a sport such as boxing/mma without some street smarts/self protection training= failure Doing Krav without some sparring/developing actual usable skills= failure. Both have their place.
First intelligent comment I’ve on the video.
We would spar all the time. I've seen worse with American Karate giving out black belts to 8 year olds. Like any martial art there are bad schools and top notch instructors who actually teach the art. It doesn't mean the art is shit because of the bad instructors.
The best explanation I've heard until now
Here’s the thing though: Krav Maga isn’t a martial art. It’s self defense. And it was developed for civilians. It’s supposed to teach a little of everything so if you run into a Muay Thai guy, hopefully you can switch to grappling or whatnot. The thing about krav is there is supposed to be pressure testing, and a good instructor can make sure that happens. It’s also supposed to find things that don’t work and discard them in favor of things that do work. It’s supposed to be constantly incomplete. And while that may sound bad, i think it allows for exploration through a ton of martial arts. It’s a good system. Are there bad instructors? Yes. Tons of them. Especially those who change things for the sake of changing them. But the people who do have students spar or roll and pressure test techniques and make changes and are honest about what krav is supposed to do, that’s proper Krav Maga. Again, it was not developed for the military, they just adapted it.
I believe you definitely had valid points with specific gyms teaching “Krav Maga”. I would definitely look into Nick Hughes as he is the chief instructor of my Krav gym and as you read about him can definitely tell you what’s effective and what’s not
I've taken it for multiple years. The thing with this style is that it's for brutal violence and to stop the threat. It's more realistic for situations
It also isn't always taught to use a weapon. It's taught to use your forearm, side of your fist, elbow.
They should link this video in Wikipedia for krav maga.
I was a collegiate and freestyle wrestler and an instructor after my competitive days. I also have a fairly extensive boxing background. I have studied various martial arts over the years. My understanding of Krav Maga is that it is best used as a supplement to the more restrictive restrictive martial arts. I think it’s dangerous to give people the impression that a year or two of Krav Maga will save you in a real down and dirty street fight. It’s good way for people to get their asses kicked. But might be better than nothing for some people. I don’t like this guys’ arrogant attitude.
@@neilmuscatiello6424 I understand all that, and I agree with you. I think the question is not only the fact that it was developed for an entirely different scenario in a military environment, but the legitimacy of the instructors themselves as they are not regulated in any way. For example; a boxing or wrestling coach, you can easily check the fighting record of him or his students.
So what is the best way to defend myself if I say decide to ride my motorcycle around the world?
Krav magoons scromiting at this one because their Rex Kwon Do got dunked on.
During my basic training I've had a few hours of krav maga training . Later, during my service, we had never a krav maga training again. Later on we were basicly teached to shoot an attacker. I am not aware of a soldier in my or other units that used krav maga to overcome an attacker. They always used their guns. Many years later I've participated in a few civilian krav maga trainings. They used different (watered down) techniques to be used. The scenarious were not adapted to real encounters. The techniques teached were often useless and/ or dangerous. TBH if your opponent has a knive or a gun just run or give him your money.
Although you make some good points, I would disagree with Aikido aspect to some extent. The current look of Krav is vastly different to what Aikido is like. Principles are also different. Just because the roots might be based in a particular art doesn't mean it now resembles the same thing. Also anything can be ineffective if it is used out of context. Still, you've put the video together well and you get the point across!
It's true it doesn't (usually) look like Aikido. That point was to show that, IF it's influenced by other martial arts, it's probably not the good ones.
So if my Krav instructor long ago had a Karate background. I learned watered down Karate with stick disarms and no katas or belts to take home and make my momma proud 🥺
Laugh at me now for doing wing chun dad!
About to test for black belt in Krav and I don’t think he’s wrong. There are many things the upper ranks at my school believe do not work, based on the lack of actual resistance during training. I still like the system, but as an introduction to self-defense, not the whole package. I frequently tell students that have been in the class for a while to take BJJ courses or another striking course in order to actually be effective in using the techniques taught in our Krav classes
Krav doesn't have belts...
I personally like to train with soccer moms. They don't care about what color belt to wear, they smell better and they are not afraid to lose a fight. Once I got a nasty scratch on an arm from those big nails though. Much better to fight with then the Karens who are out there in our parking lots.
Can Krav Maga work in movie for fight choreography?
Anything can work for fight choreography! As long as it fits with the plot and characters!
Thank you for this video (and all your other videos that I binge watched recently). It made me take a step back and reevaluate my Krav Maga class. The things I noticed:
-A person training there for 5 years still getting basic training cues as to how to throw an elbow (red flag for me) or not be able to explain the different use cases to me of two simple block techniques (which he should know if he wants to utilize either of them)
-Other people who have been going to the class for at least a year now are at least the same amount lost in basic techniques as I am who just started.
-Hard2Hurt had a video about this: Coach making people do meaningless (running around) warm ups instead of sport specific or drill based warmup. (huge waste of time)
-As someone who brushed up pretty extensively on general strength training methodology it always bothered me that the coach does a 35-40min tabata at the beginning of the class (and the moves were not even related to fighting, just basic fitness elements) saying that in real life scenario, you would be tired and it simulates real life how you would do techniques under stress. And after this was the part where he taught new techniques. Which in my opinion is a badly structured "workout". You always place the skill work after the warmup but before the strength component to have your athlete be fresh to learn new stuff. I guess this is also one of the reason other pupils were suffering the lack of skills.
-The last drop was when I went to his fight training hoping to stress test at least those simple techniques that I learned and instead there was no actual sparring, just a back and forth striking where the training partner played the punching/kicking bag. This resulted in me having two large hematomas on my inside thighs due to repeated low kicks because this is supposed to be "conditioning".
All this (even though I know were wrong) I managed to overlook in the beginning because I was so excited to resume training after 10 years of absence. Then your video popped up in my feed and helped me reevaluate my training by asking questions to my self. Needless to say I am not planning on going back to a place that neglects, basic training principles, structuring material and fails a proper (and safe) stress testing of the techniques they teach.
I am probably going to take a few weeks to heal and like you said look for a proper combat sports (BJJ or Muay Thai) class near me.
Thanks again for causing a ripple in my calm waters! :)
I beg to differ. Krav works however the issue is there is too many Krav schools out here that have watered down programs. It's a matter of finding the right school with instructors that have trained in authentic Krav. Of course that is few and far between.
You know that's what he said right?
@@dogman5791 I forgot to add that it is a great form of self defense if you are trained properly.
He said the schools that teach good KM don’t even teach KM in the first place.
@@Sorel366 my guess is he's never trained in true KM so he only gets his knowledge from bad KM videos.
@@thomasbrannan9701 I wonder if the guy has ever been in a fight on the street opposing one on one or two on one. You have to understand that mindset or the mindset of that person in that kind of fight.
Sadly good Krav places are the exception
That's actually what they are tho, just mma place with weapon disarms
Martial art: *exists*
Jake from Armchair Violence: It doesn't work!
I'm just kidding here 🤗
Biggest problem with martial arts or self defense systems nowadays is that everybody just slaps a label of whatever is big on demand on it sells it as the real stuff.
BUT I’D RATHER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 😤😡💪🏻
I love how that phrase is basically a meme at this point 😂
@@ArmchairViolence sadly, some still mean it.
Is my AK-47 ineffective because there are no AK-47 fight competitions?
Your shooting would be less effective if you haven't done timed shooting competitions so, yeah, kind of.
But it's also less about the individual and more about the system. If the ballistics, accuracy, and stopping power of a particular gun had never ever been tested in a controlled setting, and no one had ever used it in a shooting competition, would you choose to buy THAT gun, or would you go with a different one?
Another example is red dot sights. We know that red dot sights make people more accurate than iron sights (at least with handguns). But we only know this because of competition. If red dot sights were dominating all shooting competitions, only an idiot would say "red dot sights don't work in the STREET! Iron sights are better for self-defense!" Because shooting a target is shooting a target and punching and kicking is punching and kicking. It's close enough to reality that trying to do something totally different in a "real" fight would be kind of stupid.
"There are no AK-47 fight competitions"
You are definitely not the United States.
I haven't seen it in the search results, but maybe one you can cover is Systema (if it isn't covered in another video). Also, any stance on supposed prison systems like 52 Blocks?
I guess you could have a KM school that was very open about saying "we just help you get used to extreme aggression, bring your own techniques", but I feel like at that point it's just a self help school, not a martial art. Still, I would definitely go to an aggression class. Sounds like fun.
Normal people don't need "rip their throat out!" levels of aggression!
But if they marketed it as "you can be wildly violent on our realistic dummy and extremely padded training partners here" it would honestly be fun! Lol
I wouldn't go to a school like that. Too scared of getting yeeted by some muscle head twice my size!
I’ve been teaching Krav for a few years now and something I try to instill in all my students is that it’s not special and it’s not gonna turn you into a living weapon since that’s apparently the idea that a lot of civilians have about it. My students often ask why I’m bothering to teach them boxing, Muay Thai, mma, or wrestling techniques and the answer is always because those are fighting styles which are constantly being proven to be effective and are always under evolution and development. This has lead to more of said students starting to take classes in other martial arts and I’m glad that in this way Krav Maga can be kind of a gateway martial art for people who might be a little intimidated by standard combat sports. I practiced Krav my whole life growing up but it wasn’t until I actually got into kickboxing and Muay Thai (more than ten years into my martial arts journey) that I learned how to properly fight. I was getting my ass kicked by people who were much less experienced in martial arts and it was because all I knew how to do was walk forward and throw basic combos. No real footwork, no lateral movement, no knowledge of strategy or of how to read what the opponent was doing. It took a lot of time and effort working with some really kind and understanding pros before I actually got any good at fighting and I’m so thankful that I went outside of the Krav-sphere as it’s given me a much greater perspective of martial arts and how fighting works. Don’t try to catch knives y’all
Can confirm I did 3 years of Krav Maga and 3 years of BJJ(blue belt) when your doing “good” Krav Maga it’s just shitty mma we did spare in Krav about twice a week and the sparring winds up being shitty kickboxing with takedowns.
Yes it’s make believe fighting for people too scared to have a real fight.
Good video, entertaining, understandable points, good audio and video quality. But your thumbnail needs more enhancement (just never use that font). You can take hard2hurt's thumbnails as example.
Btw, congrats for the 1k!
Where i train we do spar and pressure test and it works
Seems that you didn't actually test it yourself and do much background work on this. I know that because of the claim that there isn't a regular curriculum in Krav Maga. There are a couple of different professional Krav Maga organizations and they both have standardized curriculum that come from the original one developed by Imi. When I've looked up other Krav Maga schools and watched their TH-cam content I see the same core techniques being taught across the board.
There are some bad schools out there and unfortunately they have the loudest voices so people get the wrong impression, but if you ever go to a school that's licensed under one of the professional organizations you'll find it's far different than the thing you're describing here. Honestly what you are describing doesn't bear any resemblance to the Krav Maga I know.
You also said that sparring is often discouraged in Krav Maga schools. That's also not true in my experience, not at all. Almost every Level 1 class I ever went to ended in a stress test scenario, often based on real life like making you sit on a couch like you were just in your living room at home and then a home invasion happens and someone is attacking you while you have to somehow get up and fight your way free. At Level 2 they start throwing in free sparring in addition to ending each class with a stress test.
As far as the comment that "any soldier who gets into extended mele on the battlefield has made a lot of mistakes", go read the Medal of Honor citation for David Bellavia and then tell me if you're going to go lecture him on how he shouldn't have beaten someone to death with his body armor.
Now to the claim that Krav Maga is too heavily influenced by Aikido. That is again not true. Level 1 and 2 are almost all striking. Imi disliked anything that involved highly technical moves and the people he handed it off to, while they had experience in other styles, still kept the core the same and you don't get into anything even remotely related to Aikido until level 2 (one technique) or higher.
Near the end you say that Krav Maga instructors deliberately lean into their strikes to try to look cool. That's also not true. Every instructor I've had emphasized NOT leaning into strikes but rather using good rotation to get power in your strikes.
Just one last point, you used some clips from hard2hurt, but NOT the clip where a Krav instructor left him doubled over in pain... Props to him for being fair and unbiased. Try it some time.
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Even considering that military training has to accommodate for knives, so much of their training is lacking, and a lot of times when a soldier is really good at fighting, it's because they took time out of their own schedule outside of their military training to learn it.
Not bashing it in any way, but like you said, if a soldier has to fight melee for a while, they screwed up. The bigger priority for them is to have training with guns and knives, and general tactical knowledge. There's a limited amount of time they have to work on H2H combat. Same goes for cops.
TLDR: Just because cops and soldiers use it, doesn't mean it's effective
Very true. The military cares very little about their H2H abilities, but most people don't understand that. That's why some systems use their military connections to appear legit.
Krav is fine for the IDF because all the IDF wants is to give their soldiers an aggressive mindset. The problem is when people think that Krav can give them actual SKILLS lol
@@ArmchairViolence the military is to Krav Maga as the Shaolin Monks are to Kung Fu
People who have seriously trained martial arts for years are certainly going to have a leg up on military that did a few hand to hand courses in basic. Basically the same as a person who went to a few martial arts seminars.
Same for shooting. A civilian competition shooter will be better trained than a military "marksman" who qualified with their weapon every year.
You have to put in the time.
Edit: I'm not in any way trying to put down the military. They have a lot of varied material they need to cover in a short time. Breadth not depth.
@@shinobi-no-bueno I have heard that the US military H2H is based on combat sports now, and I'm proud to be an American lol
I agree that cops need to have more H2H. The military shouldn't need it, but cops have to restrain people all the time. I've seen videos of cops having to resort to weapons against people that I could takedown and control with one hand. It's tragic.
Infantry NCO and Close Quarters Combat Instructor here; much of the techniques taught to soldiers use gross motor functions, as it's assumed that the sympathetic nervous system will be a huge factor in the soldier's ability to execute techniques. Life or death fights come with that activation, and the training seeks to emulate those conditions.
This was exactly what i was looking to hear, thank you bro
Gotta thank YT suggesting me this channel
Great content, practical and real life orientated concepts, theories and suggestions presented with a good mix of seriousness and jokes
The fact that he states that he knows the correct spelling but is "too lazy" to change it says the rest
there are many forms of krav maga including civilian based krav maga. it was originally developed to protect people from the soldiers who carried weaponry such as guns n knives. much of its basis actually useful for real situations because in todays world (dont know where you live) many people are strapped and if you live in poverty you are pretty much defending yourself against scared people with guns much like military soldiers. The idea is that with bare hands you are still equipped with the spirit/grit and therefore ability to defend yourself. i do agree that many teachings of the art via social media aren’t situational based as much as they are just trying to make content snd money but the idea and structure of the true combat and mentality is not useless
You didn’t finish the video did you
I trained for 2y and I pretty much agree on, it's not going to work the way they want it to.
Great video!
Hand to hand combat frankly makes so little sense it's not even really taught kn my countries. was in a European military for almost 4 years, was deployed and everything. I was NEVER taught hand to hand combat. And why would you need to? You need to practice regularly for several months to actually become effective and sparring at the very minimum is essential to keep everyone honest about their abilities
I wasted two years learning krav maga, it taught me a lot of bad habits that I am now having to unlearn.
what bad habits did you learn
@@Enriqueistaken The Krav technique for blocking leaves you very open to being countered, it might work against someone throwing wild punches but against a trained boxer or even against anyone that has been taught to throw a straight punch you will get countered very easily.
I'm finding it very hard to unlearn.
@@australienski6687 sorry to hear that man i've been exposing Krap maga for 10 years and warning ppl to avoid it, headbutts, palm strikes, groin kicks all stupid and dangerous moves that will get u hurt seriously, when u confront them on their BS they go all defensive and say oh well you have to travel to the deep ends of the earth to find real Crap maga that works, and you have to learn it from an Israeli ex Commando!! I smelled BS from a mile away, it was a trap by Israelis to cash in on the MA scene and make a rep for themselves all a long, they are duping westerners the most cuz of the relationship they have, they throw bs stories that it works effectively against their enemies, Israelis are badass elites you should learn how to be a fighter from them! all propaganda for their military and cash in millions from people who believe their shit good thing you found out and left
SOoooooooooo what martial art do you actually recommend?
Sambo, Kickboxing, Boxing, Wrestling, Bjj, Sanda, Muay Thai, MMA, ect... Basicly if it is used over and over again in the UFC it probably works.
Hey, have you watched the Krav Maga competitions?
What do you think about kajukenbo?
Met some AWESOME people in that system. Met some that couldn't fight their way out of a bag. As with all (most?) styles, depends on the instructor. My opinion.....
I had to look it up, but from the videos I've seen...
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...it's very bad lol
Very compliant training partners, absurdly long combos, fanciful knife defense, etc. Very bad. Maybe certain schools are better, but the stuff I'm seeing on TH-cam does not look great.
Although, everything always depends on the school or person, to a certain extent. But some systems are definitely better than others.
Some people that do Kajukenbo might be able to fight, but Kajukenbo itself looks pretty bad, at first glance.
But maybe TH-cam doesn't have an accurate representation.
@@ArmchairViolence thanks for the reply
@@ArmchairViolence kajukenbo works great but if your a coward like jake (armchair) and sensei seth then it's very bad 😓 trust me. CodenamePyro what martial arts have you tried before? or is this your first time learning?
@@sunnyshine4513 I've never done a martial art before, what would you recommend, if you have?
Hi great video and some good points. But all fighting style do not work in the "real world". As a martial artist you are taught respect, so in a competition you respect your opponent. In BJJ if you get your opponent to the ground, put them in an arm bar, if they refuse to tap out, as a sane, moral, respectful person, you don't keep going until you dislocate their arm or break it, you stop you let them up. We only do what we practice, can we take it up to 100? I don't know if I could. If we do are we not as bad as the person that is attacking us?. And so what if it doesn't work, ' in the real world' let's be honest, outside of the dojo how many times have you had to use your skills. As many other have said, as long as you enjoy what you are doing, then keep doing it.
Hopefully, we never have to fight outside of a gym or competition!
But I do want to add that, in BJJ and MMA competitions, people are typically trained to finish the armbar. You would never do that to your training partners in the gym, but I would absolutely break someone's arm in a sanctioned competition (assuming they don't tap). Most competitors are trained to do so.
"So What if it doesn't work in the real world" This question would be fine if there wasn't a claim that it does work in the real world. If you claim your system is more than a sport or workout program or military cosplay, and that it's an effective form of self defense, it better be an effective form of self defense. Otherwise you're giving people a false sense of security that could lead to serious injury or death if something were to happen "in da streetz". That is why it matters.
Great Video!
The problem is that there is a big hype around Krav Maga so people just brand their stuff as Krav Maga to get people to train at their clubs which makes it hard for many people to find a good place to train. I have a combat sambo background and train at a Krav Maga club where a lot of mma is trained and we do pressure testing every day. But it’s generally a problem with many of these martial arts that they don’t have any quality tests or curriculum
In other news, water is still wet.
I noted the subtle reference to BJJ as the "ultimate functional martial art". While nobody can deny it can be quite effective, it's certainly not an "ultimate" anything, unless it's the ultimate "promotional success story", as it seems to have hypnotized half the planet into thinking it eclipses all other martial arts and self-defense systems. This is patently untrue. 1) It focuses almost exclusively on ground fighting, which is unrealistic. / 2) It's first and foremost a sport, with necessary and typical safety restrictions. / 3) Rather than avoiding being taken down in the first place, the emphasis is on floor work, attempting complicated grappling moves, rather than quick and simple strikes, due to its sports nature. / 4) It fails to recognize that no real attack is going to take place on a soft mat in a gym: the ground is hard, often wet or even icy, uneven, strewn with rocks, glass, et cetera. / 5) It seems to have bamboozled the world into thinking that all fights will end up on the ground, which is untrue, especially if the person attacked does his/her best to avoid it. 6) Ground grappling is almost totally ineffective against armed and/or multiple attackers. So the bottom line is that while very effective as far as it goes (Like all martial arts and self-defense systems), BJJ is certainly not the "magic bullet" of martial arts people have been hypnotized into believing it is. As we've all been truthfully told many, many times, the best system is a comprehensive combination of practical techniques, and good, effective training. That's my take on all this, anyway. You're certainly welcome to disagree and thank you for letting me spiel. Have a great day, everybody.
Why does everyone assume BJJ people can't also strike or pull guns like everyone else?
If you've been to any decent school, they'd give context/explain the nuances of a sport vs street technique. Aka alter your take downs to not crash on your knees. Head placement to significantly reduce someone's punches. Not pulling guard on the street. Staying off your back on the street. Squaring off and staying on your knees as a general principle. The principles of maintaining a dominant position. Why do you think BJJ has had such a significant impact on the police community? Because we can control dangerous situation/people without punching them. List goes on. Im not boxing multiple either. Im running or shooting them. Getting knocked out by a bad guy's buddy that you cant see because yourr tunnel-visioned isnt any better of a scenario.
Natural momentum of two people fighting is why a fight ends up on the ground. It's not about WANTING to go to the ground, it's knowing what the fuck do when it CAN happen. At some point someone makes a mistake, someone's force continues, the other person has no choice but to take the ground. That is not a choice you can anticipate nor force unless you back out of a fight altogether.
There is literally nothing complicated about triangles, armbars, kimuras/americanas, chokes. They're the same submissions from different positions. Hence the versatility for when you end up in a position you didnt anticipate.
And even the schools that heavily emphasize competition produce absolute monsters/athletes. They'd fair just fine. And much better than you or anyone, that doesn't train. Fighting isn't something you magically rise to the occasion to. It's just as much of a mental game. Grit you only develop when you can sparr at varying intensities. For example boxing and grappling. Not tai chi or wing chun. Quite literally what was explained im the video.
Thanks ! I am tired of having this bs promoted as a MA by people who don’t know better. what a joke.
you're antisemetic that's what they will tell you
To be honest with you if you think of wing chun vs krav maga krav maga would honestly have a better close combat style but im now talking about a different topic at this point im just sharing my thoughts
what is the best "real world" self defense fighting system/martial art for just an ordinary everyday person that just wants to be able to defend and fight back
He would probably say competition sports that have rules, no weapons and only one opponent. Haha