nice diy! just one point, the LOWER the percentage, the DARKER %, the tint. e.g. 5% is much darker than 50% because it only lets 5% of the light through. Just in case someone wanted to go look for tint in order to do this. Thanks again for the vid!
I'm like 4 years late but I've just tried this for my aquarium and it kinda works. Just make sure the film you're using is of good quality. Mine tore apart at some places when I tried to get the air bubbles out and ended up being a more grey-ish colour instead of black. Other than that, I can confirm that adding water to the glass before applying the film does help a lot.
A good alternative to painting acrylic is using Plasti dip. paint on or spray can. they peel off easy and they are a flat finish. bonds well to acrylic. Also that tint looks like 5% tint not 50%.
the frosted glass looks great for the back i would recommend using plasti dip in a spray can. you can use several coats and it will gibe you the same results and its pealable leaving no residue
For a in the wall aquarium you could use a mirrored window tint on the front so when the lights are off you have a mirror when aquarium lights on you will see the fish
I used to work for a vinyl wrap installation company. If you take a piece of felt or microfiber cloth and wrap it around the squeegee it will prevent you from scratching the vinyl. I think if you're careful you can get away with how it's done in this video. However, if you have some laying around, you might as well use it.
Joey, where do you purchase the black tint 50 percent you use on the acrylic? I looked on Amazon and Walmart but there were too many to choose from. Any item number or part number or brand? Thanks....
I do window tinting and car wrapping for a living so I wrapped the back of my tank black! The stuff I used was a air realise so bubble can simply be pushed out though the film. Also that's very bad window tint and probably won't last with the heat of the fish tank... I recommend solar guard when we tint a car they go with a 10 year warranty so it's pretty strong stuff :)
great vid, it helped me get some idea for my next tank set up, but watch those frosted film prices goes up on amazon, ebay and LFS going to have tons of them in stock after this vid.
This is my all time favorite DIY of the year from you...at least for me. You took the most mundane and "hated" task in tank prep and solved my #1 problem...using stupid packing tape to seal cheap black aquarium backgrounds and later regretting the unsightly water and calcium deposits that build up between the glass and crappy background over time. K.I.S.S. always RULZ!
Joey good day, Lex here from dubai. I need a help from you 😊 I made an internal filter but the problem is i couldn't find black acrylic in my area so i ended up with a clear one. I am wanting to paint it black, is there any acrylic paint safe for fish?
very nice video Joey have you ever tried to use an epoxy background? I have been experimenting with a metallic epoxy on a wooden backboard separated 1/2 inch from the back of the aquarium it looks pretty cool
will the background stick for long? i once tried a aquarium background and used water to stick it but after a few months it eventually came off. any suggestions? ive seen others use vaseline and oil. are those good substitute to water?
did this cleaned og the chalk and applied it with water, it's looks perfect on the backside but the inside have all those white stripes, it it because I used plain normal tap water?
Joey - What is the link to this? I'm looking for a white to finish off my sump (it's got red baffles), just trying to make it look sharp. I am trying to find 18" x 48" long but striking out. Needs to be removable.
Love these wonderful videos. very good for aquariests in rural areas. Thanks Joey... I have your... free phone app too, that I use for reference, as well. lol. ...as for TH-cam I really hate how the like and dislike buttons are so close together on youtube... its frustrating because I always have to double check. lol. I liked the video though. .. and shared so we are good!
Oh, Joey. If only it were as depicted. You say spray water when the instructions say soapy water. I think 'hmm would rather use plain water on an aquarium and that's what Joey did'. You say that the window tint is not sticky. HA! It's bloody Gorilla Tape in a super wide roll; sticks to EVERYTHING and especially itself! Painful experience that leads me to paint which I was going to avoid with this tint. I might have been able to work with it if I had not read the instructions and realized there is a clear liner to peel apart and had just stuck it up with the liner still on it.
I have an idea, but don’t know where to start… I’d like to build a somewhat 3D Star Wars Tatooine background using pool filter sand as the substrate and being able to use some figure items making the theme fit in a 75 gallon… what would you use? I’m curious if you could do one , im sure there are plenty of Star Wars fans that would appreciate it
Could you layer the frosted and the tint. By that I mean trace out an image or symbol with the frosted put that on the glass then put the tint over it? Making almost a water mark look or smoky image look?
Hello Joey.... I truly enjoy your videos that's why I'm subscribed to your channel and you have helped me out so much with my tank. Now to my question.... I don't want to build a glass tank but I would like to know where I could possible buy some use ones and I want to go bigger. I'm using an 150 gallon now but I have falling in love with this hobbit and want to have at least two more big tanks... So can you help me find some or do you sell the ones you make ?
Krylon makes a "sea glass" line of spraypaints to frost glass. I was thinking of using that to frost the back of my tank AND add the color I want. Just another option and/or idea for everyone looking to get a frosted look.
Good sir very nice video good n All the best for other future videos 👌👍👍👍 ,,, Sir which paint we can use for painting inside of Aquarium fish tank ,,,?????? Please reply me sir its very important for me 🤕🤕🤕🤕
Where do you buy your fish joey? I have an empty tank and would like to get some healthy reliable fish from a reliable breeder. If anyone has a suggestion that would be amazing!
Hi. First of all, love your videos. Keep it up. Second, english isn't my native language. About painting acryl. Have you ever tried Plastidip? Its easy to remove in certain thickness (like 3 layers) from almost every material. I don't know how is it looks like as a painted background, but it might worth a try.
Dude the office tank is awesome! Can't wait to see it for real! Also thanks for all the videos and ideas! Makes this hobby alot more affordable and fun for me!
Im so glad you gave the water tip! Im getting my two aquatic turtles a new tank (sudden growth spurts lol) and wanted to put a backround. I was thinking of contact paper, since i want a design back round. I was thinking marble maybe. But obviously the problem with that is that the design is not on the sticky side. do you have any ideas i could use? I dont want to glue it on the tank in case i want to change it later and i dont think taping it would look nice. any idea what I could possibly do??
hi i had that same problem. my background has been on for 2 years now and what i did was take cooking oil and spread it on the part i wanted. after that it stuck on pretty well after removing the bubbles
Tip: using quickrete hydraulic water stop cement works best!! 100% water proof...last!! Remember with this, no big details! Mix this thick!! Can make really good details with cement! Also makes great rocks!!! Best stuff I have ever seen!!!! Printable in about 7 days with water base latex...fish safe paint!!! This does have additives! So wait at least the full 7 days before putting in with fish!! I have had mine in tanks for last 4 years!! No problems, and no redoing!!! This stuff last!
Hey Joey, I'm thinking about making an internal sump in my next 60+ Gallon planted tank, & chances are i'll have to go with glass instead of acrylic (as you showed in your built video), can i apply this film thingy on the sump wall? i mean is it aquarium safe to use this film inside a tank? Update: Oh boy....Half way through the video...Saw a sneak peak of the office tank built. It's very similar to what i have in mind...I think i'll wait till that built series comes out. 90% of my aquarium builds & set up are based & inspired by your videos. Was bit set backed as you don't have much in the Planted section but i'm glad i'll be getting that too. Hope it comes out before Christmas... ^_^
tint is actually rated as the lower the number, the darker it is. 5% is super dark, only allowing 5% of light in. 70% is almost clear, most car Windows are 70-77% from factory.
Actually, for tint used on glass (example, for homes and cars), the lower the percentage number the darker the tint. Many factory car tints range from a light 75% (front doors) down to a darker 35-25% (rear doors). Limo tint is around 5%. (0% would be pitch black, 100% would be totally clear)
Will definitely use this idea! Would you also be able to do a video on what your opinions are regarding the biggest tank size floors can support. I want to upgrade but I'm not sure what's the biggest tank my apartment floor can support. I would like a 65G 36x18x24 and a 40B on the same wall but at each corner. I found some mixed answers online. Thank you!
hey recently I purchased a fish but it died while temp. accelating i took some steps to save it.. i TH-cam searched but the only research but all useless stuff (magical healing with prayers & stuff) so pls can you help us with some visual advise(non txt) coz what you speak makes sense so pls help us through this bullshit info on TH-cam & make something useful.. by the way keep up the awesome work..
hey recently I purchased a fish but it died while temp. accelating i took some steps to save it.. i TH-cam searched but the only research but all useless stuff (magical healing with prayers & stuff) so pls can you help us with some visual advise(non txt) coz what you speak makes sense so pls help us through this bullshit info on TH-cam & make something useful.. by the way keep up the awesome work..
Just used Joey's video and frosted my nano-tank. The hardest part was peeling the backing off the film. Does anyone have any tips on how to do this more easily??? I spent like 20 minutes trying to peel that dang backing off! Lol
Tint most definitely is stickey there is a clear cover in addition to the white cover. Use your teeth to seperate it. unless it's "peel and stick removable tint"
You meant to say "the lower the percentage the darker the tint" not the higher the percentage.. and pretty sure that's not a 50% tint as I have many films at home at 50% and it's very see-through. That looks more like a 5% tint
would doing the tints hide scratches that are visible in the glass....or could they actually have negative effect and instead highlight and make the scratches more obvious
What are the pros and cons between painting vs using a film? I'm looking to do my tank black, I would prefer to use the film because it seems easier and less messy, but is the look as nice as black paint?
Excellent video. This may have been mentioned in comments already but in regards to the tint darkness if it is anything like window tint for a car the higher the number the the lighter the tint not darker. 50% tint lets in 50% of light, 80% lets in 80% light, 5% tint lets in 5% light so almost no light getting through.
you have some killer tanks man! what brand tanks do you use?? I need to bring my 4 Comet Goldfish indoors from outdoor pond this week. any suggestions on tanks?
I have a bare bottom tank, can I use the static cling or window tint on the bottom to reduce the shine of the glass? Could it be harmful to the fish or leech anything into the water?
I have a 60 gallon aquarium with guppies in it! I noticed this morning that some have ick, I need help getting rid of it! What's A Fast Way To Get Rid Of It? ?
Get a heater and get the tank up to 80° Fahrenheit. do .3% salt dosage. 1 tablespoon for 5gal. Do 12 tablespoons of salt, that's .1% the next day add another .1% till you get to .3% salt dosage. Use aquarium salt
Sir, i am left with these white marks on the inside of the poster after doing your technique, could you please tell me how to rectify it My mom is getting really mad
nice diy! just one point, the LOWER the percentage, the DARKER %, the tint. e.g. 5% is much darker than 50% because it only lets 5% of the light through. Just in case someone wanted to go look for tint in order to do this. Thanks again for the vid!
For black just use black board paint and a roller. Let a tin layer dry and do the second after it. Cheap and easy.
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The lower the % in tint the darker it is btw
I'm like 4 years late but I've just tried this for my aquarium and it kinda works. Just make sure the film you're using is of good quality. Mine tore apart at some places when I tried to get the air bubbles out and ended up being a more grey-ish colour instead of black. Other than that, I can confirm that adding water to the glass before applying the film does help a lot.
A good alternative to painting acrylic is using Plasti dip. paint on or spray can. they peel off easy and they are a flat finish. bonds well to acrylic. Also that tint looks like 5% tint not 50%.
Good tip and love the new long low tank.
the frosted glass looks great for the back i would recommend using plasti dip in a spray can. you can use several coats and it will gibe you the same results and its pealable leaving no residue
For a in the wall aquarium you could use a mirrored window tint on the front so when the lights are off you have a mirror when aquarium lights on you will see the fish
A bit late, but on window film, isn't the mirror on the adhesive side already?
I used to take those colored aluminum foil backgrounds and just crunch them into creases and crevices looking. Not bad. Sort of a rock background.
I used to work for a vinyl wrap installation company. If you take a piece of felt or microfiber cloth and wrap it around the squeegee it will prevent you from scratching the vinyl. I think if you're careful you can get away with how it's done in this video. However, if you have some laying around, you might as well use it.
Joey, where do you purchase the black tint 50 percent you use on the acrylic? I looked on Amazon and Walmart but there were too many to choose from. Any item number or part number or brand? Thanks....
What kind of goldfish are those? Tank looks great.
I do window tinting and car wrapping for a living so I wrapped the back of my tank black! The stuff I used was a air realise so bubble can simply be pushed out though the film. Also that's very bad window tint and probably won't last with the heat of the fish tank... I recommend solar guard when we tint a car they go with a 10 year warranty so it's pretty strong stuff :)
Buttttt it's a flat surface so it should be fine
How do you get rid of the reflection from the inside of the aquarium, so the fish don't see themselves?
Just get pretty fish so they dont mind seeing themselfs.
You put square mirrors at the bottom of the tank.
I want the long and short tank. cant wait to see what your going to do with it
Great tips and peek into the future projects Joey
Great video very informational, never thought about the window tinting thx😁🐟🦈🐳😁
thanks lobe your videos. would love a video that covers different kinds of filters pros cons which is right for what situation?
i used plastic bag....worked fine
great vid, it helped me get some idea for my next tank set up,
but watch those frosted film prices goes up on amazon, ebay and LFS going to have tons of them in stock after this vid.
There are a wide variety of these films available at the big orange and big blue box stores in the window departments.
This is my all time favorite DIY of the year from you...at least for me. You took the most mundane and "hated" task in tank prep and solved my #1 problem...using stupid packing tape to seal cheap black aquarium backgrounds and later regretting the unsightly water and calcium deposits that build up between the glass and crappy background over time.
K.I.S.S. always RULZ!
Thank You Joey!
Joey good day, Lex here from dubai. I need a help from you 😊
I made an internal filter but the problem is i couldn't find black acrylic in my area so i ended up with a clear one. I am wanting to paint it black, is there any acrylic paint safe for fish?
Where can i buy that background in blue color ?
very nice video Joey have you ever tried to use an epoxy background? I have been experimenting with a metallic epoxy on a wooden backboard separated 1/2 inch from the back of the aquarium it looks pretty cool
will the background stick for long? i once tried a aquarium background and used water to stick it but after a few months it eventually came off. any suggestions? ive seen others use vaseline and oil. are those good substitute to water?
Good video!
I thought we would get a sneek peak on the planted tank with plants in there lol :)
But its oké, keep it up!
did this cleaned og the chalk and applied it with water, it's looks perfect on the backside but the inside have all those white stripes, it it because I used plain normal tap water?
Joey - What is the link to this? I'm looking for a white to finish off my sump (it's got red baffles), just trying to make it look sharp. I am trying to find 18" x 48" long but striking out. Needs to be removable.
Love these wonderful videos. very good for aquariests in rural areas. Thanks Joey... I have your... free phone app
too, that I use for reference, as well. lol.
...as for TH-cam
I really hate how the like and dislike buttons are so close together on youtube... its frustrating because I always have to double check. lol.
I liked the video though. .. and shared so we are good!
Oh, Joey. If only it were as depicted. You say spray water when the instructions say soapy water. I think 'hmm would rather use plain water on an aquarium and that's what Joey did'. You say that the window tint is not sticky. HA! It's bloody Gorilla Tape in a super wide roll; sticks to EVERYTHING and especially itself! Painful experience that leads me to paint which I was going to avoid with this tint. I might have been able to work with it if I had not read the instructions and realized there is a clear liner to peel apart and had just stuck it up with the liner still on it.
l love this channel I always watch at least one advertisement. Keep up the good work DIY!
I have an idea, but don’t know where to start… I’d like to build a somewhat 3D Star Wars Tatooine background using pool filter sand as the substrate and being able to use some figure items making the theme fit in a 75 gallon… what would you use? I’m curious if you could do one , im sure there are plenty of Star Wars fans that would appreciate it
Could you layer the frosted and the tint. By that I mean trace out an image or symbol with the frosted put that on the glass then put the tint over it? Making almost a water mark look or smoky image look?
Hello Joey.... I truly enjoy your videos that's why I'm subscribed to your channel and you have helped me out so much with my tank. Now to my question.... I don't want to build a glass tank but I would like to know where I could possible buy some use ones and I want to go bigger. I'm using an 150 gallon now but I have falling in love with this hobbit and want to have at least two more big tanks... So can you help me find some or do you sell the ones you make ?
hey joey how much a 75 to 90 gallon would cost me do to it I'm trying to find prices on the net and I don't get any price
Krylon makes a "sea glass" line of spraypaints to frost glass. I was thinking of using that to frost the back of my tank AND add the color I want. Just another option and/or idea for everyone looking to get a frosted look.
Good sir very nice video good n All the best for other future videos 👌👍👍👍 ,,,
Sir which paint we can use for painting inside of Aquarium fish tank ,,,??????
Please reply me sir its very important for me 🤕🤕🤕🤕
Where do you buy your fish joey? I have an empty tank and would like to get some healthy reliable fish from a reliable breeder. If anyone has a suggestion that would be amazing!
Hi. First of all, love your videos. Keep it up. Second, english isn't my native language. About painting acryl. Have you ever tried Plastidip? Its easy to remove in certain thickness (like 3 layers) from almost every material. I don't know how is it looks like as a painted background, but it might worth a try.
I might give that a shot. I need to black out my emblems on my car so I'll have some.
Where can I get that in blue for my 125g
Thank god you uploaded this video I was gonna go and buy some backgrounds for my tank XD thx keep up the great work!
are you going to backlight the planted tank
thinkin about putting a mirror on the back of my 22 long is thgis a good idea lot of people say it meeses with the fish and they go crazy is this true
That's a good question but I think it's beautiful
where can I this kind of film aside from online?
BRO total how many number of aquariums you are having recently?
I'm easy and cheap. A panel of foamcore and a roll of aluminum foil and I'm done.
Soap water??
Never thought about adding water to help with the air bubbles. Thanks!
You can also spray it onto it once its on the tank,it stops the squeegee from ripping it
Dude the office tank is awesome! Can't wait to see it for real! Also thanks for all the videos and ideas! Makes this hobby alot more affordable and fun for me!
+Joe's Aquarium wait till you see what I did with it!
+The king of DIY I'm sure it's epic!
Hi Joey.. I love these ideas.. great job. Excellent video. I'm looking forward to seeing your tanks up and running as always!
What thickness acrylic is this? ..could you have gone thinner?
I thought- the lower the percentage, the darker the tint?
They sell spray window frost spray at Home Depot $4.00.
Im so glad you gave the water tip! Im getting my two aquatic turtles a new tank (sudden growth spurts lol) and wanted to put a backround. I was thinking of contact paper, since i want a design back round. I was thinking marble maybe. But obviously the problem with that is that the design is not on the sticky side. do you have any ideas i could use? I dont want to glue it on the tank in case i want to change it later and i dont think taping it would look nice. any idea what I could possibly do??
hi i had that same problem. my background has been on for 2 years now and what i did was take cooking oil and spread it on the part i wanted. after that it stuck on pretty well after removing the bubbles
Higher tint percentage = more light coming in meaning, the lower tint percentage, the darker color it is.
Tip: using quickrete hydraulic water stop cement works best!! 100% water proof...last!! Remember with this, no big details! Mix this thick!! Can make really good details with cement! Also makes great rocks!!! Best stuff I have ever seen!!!! Printable in about 7 days with water base latex...fish safe paint!!! This does have additives! So wait at least the full 7 days before putting in with fish!! I have had mine in tanks for last 4 years!! No problems, and no redoing!!! This stuff last!
99 cent black spray paint from Walmart or HomeDepot. Easy and cheap! Easily removed as well, do it for all my tanks. Thanks
Glass tanks only
what is the name of that black background? and where from will I get that ?? please mention it
It is a window tint ,you will get it in any hardware store or you will definitely find it on amazon .
Please can you have subtitles?
Thank you!
Hi king whats the name of that background? Is that vinyl?
Did you found it?
Hey joey, a tip instead of doing a frosted like film you can spray on some plasti dip clear and it'll dry just like that film looks.
If an acrylic tank has a permanent blue acrylic background panel, is there a way to make it black? Th tank has 18"x 8" inch openings on top.
Very cool! Thanks.
I used a frosted shower curtain from the dollar store and did all of my tank backgrounds for $1. That's value
Hey Joey,
I'm thinking about making an internal sump in my next 60+ Gallon planted tank, & chances are i'll have to go with glass instead of acrylic (as you showed in your built video), can i apply this film thingy on the sump wall? i mean is it aquarium safe to use this film inside a tank?
Update: Oh boy....Half way through the video...Saw a sneak peak of the office tank built. It's very similar to what i have in mind...I think i'll wait till that built series comes out. 90% of my aquarium builds & set up are based & inspired by your videos. Was bit set backed as you don't have much in the Planted section but i'm glad i'll be getting that too. Hope it comes out before Christmas... ^_^
tint is actually rated as the lower the number, the darker it is. 5% is super dark, only allowing 5% of light in. 70% is almost clear, most car Windows are 70-77% from factory.
Actually, for tint used on glass (example, for homes and cars), the lower the percentage number the darker the tint. Many factory car tints range from a light 75% (front doors) down to a darker 35-25% (rear doors). Limo tint is around 5%.
(0% would be pitch black, 100% would be totally clear)
Will definitely use this idea! Would you also be able to do a video on what your opinions are regarding the biggest tank size floors can support. I want to upgrade but I'm not sure what's the biggest tank my apartment floor can support. I would like a 65G 36x18x24 and a 40B on the same wall but at each corner. I found some mixed answers online. Thank you!
hey recently I purchased a fish but it died while temp. accelating i took some steps to save it.. i TH-cam searched but the only research but all useless stuff (magical healing with prayers & stuff) so pls can you help us with some visual advise(non txt) coz what you speak makes sense so pls help us through this bullshit info on TH-cam & make something useful.. by the way keep up the awesome work..
can u show me how to make a light for my hexagon tank
Same way you'd make them for any other tank, just follow his led strips guide
ok thx
Please do a video about how to make aquarium roof...
hey recently I purchased a fish but it died while temp. accelating i took some steps to save it.. i TH-cam searched but the only research but all useless stuff (magical healing with prayers & stuff) so pls can you help us with some visual advise(non txt) coz what you speak makes sense so pls help us through this bullshit info on TH-cam & make something useful.. by the way keep up the awesome work..
6:40 what is that liquid ?
Water
Just used Joey's video and frosted my nano-tank. The hardest part was peeling the backing off the film. Does anyone have any tips on how to do this more easily???
I spent like 20 minutes trying to peel that dang backing off! Lol
awesome video. i am picking up a 240 gallon and was thinking about what to do for the background. now i know. thanks.
Can you put a mirror in the background
Tint most definitely is stickey there is a clear cover in addition to the white cover. Use your teeth to seperate it. unless it's "peel and stick removable tint"
You meant to say "the lower the percentage the darker the tint" not the higher the percentage.. and pretty sure that's not a 50% tint as I have many films at home at 50% and it's very see-through. That looks more like a 5% tint
would doing the tints hide scratches that are visible in the glass....or could they actually have negative effect and instead highlight and make the scratches more obvious
What are the pros and cons between painting vs using a film? I'm looking to do my tank black, I would prefer to use the film because it seems easier and less messy, but is the look as nice as black paint?
do you order your acrylic online? I've been trying to do a build but it's hard to find acrylic. would you mind sharing where you get yours from
Or you can just paint paper black lol
I like to theme my tanks so I use wrapping paper lol
crystal salter ooh that sounds good. Any pictures?
CHRISTMAS FISH
Awesomeness. Quick question, what kind of substrate do you use? If i am not mistaken, people do use salt and pepper caribsea sand..
hi there joey! what do you call it? is it tinting film or window tint? I'm just a little confused. thanks!
Excellent video. This may have been mentioned in comments already but in regards to the tint darkness if it is anything like window tint for a car the higher the number the the lighter the tint not darker. 50% tint lets in 50% of light, 80% lets in 80% light, 5% tint lets in 5% light so almost no light getting through.
Is the plywood is free is it worth doing a plywood aquarium than a glass one because of safety?
you have some killer tanks man! what brand tanks do you use?? I need to bring my 4 Comet Goldfish indoors from outdoor pond this week. any suggestions on tanks?
I would love to be able to build that very long fish tank for my betta females any advise or how I can build acrylic tank.
I have a bare bottom tank, can I use the static cling or window tint on the bottom to reduce the shine of the glass? Could it be harmful to the fish or leech anything into the water?
A super instructive video. Thank you!!! From Las Vegas
I have a 60 gallon aquarium with guppies in it! I noticed this morning that some have ick, I need help getting rid of it! What's A Fast Way To Get Rid Of It? ?
Get a heater and get the tank up to 80° Fahrenheit. do .3% salt dosage. 1 tablespoon for 5gal. Do 12 tablespoons of salt, that's .1% the next day add another .1% till you get to .3% salt dosage. Use aquarium salt
Just listing my opinion. I prefer using the natural way.
Cool.
I want an aquarium industry height taller than I want to base possible standards. please
Sir, i am left with these white marks on the inside of the poster after doing your technique, could you please tell me how to rectify it
My mom is getting really mad
I needed a black background thanks
+Aquarium Lover you're welcome!
Add oskers with your awarona
If I put such background in tank that has sump, should I put it on before drilling or I can do it after?