Was the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy Good? A Retrospective
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ย. 2024
- The Star Wars Sequel Trilogy is a giant point of contention in fandom. While I personally enjoyed the first two films, The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi very, very much, the final entry THE RISE OF SKYWALKER made me rethink a lot of what I felt. It is unfortunate that the final Skywalker Saga entry was a bit of a mess while also retreading story beats without really pushing further. My retrospective is of course my own opinions so no worries if you LOVE each of these films equally. For me, it didnt work out that way. Thankfully we got some interesting new characters like Kylo Ren and Rey but I definitely wished for more.
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It's interesting how many folks think I gave the ST a good grade. Just proves that once you hear one thing you disagree with... cognitive dissonance takes over.
I'll save you guys time 😉
C- is the grade.
I agree mostly with what you say. I still love TFA & TLJ. Call a me a sellout or whatever. But TROS Kinda kills all of the previous 2 hard work. So in the end its like a ship that its ultimately sunk by a single mechanical failure. I'd give the sequel an overall 5.8/10. Due to the TROS killing all the potential both previous films had. But YFA is a solid 9/10 for me and TLJ is 8/10. I kinda wish episode ix didn't exist tbh.
@@torahibiki Thats kinda literally how I feel. I feel that TROS made me enjoy it all much less when its all said and done. But Ive also gone through Star Wars disappointment before with the PT, which as I stated, now look like MUCH better movies in hindsight because at least they tell a story that mostly makes sense imo.
@@ATATChat I agree.
The sequel trilogy kinda fell flat on its face, the shortest way to describe it is 'set-up with no payoff'. Thank goodness we got clone wars tho, that did what the sequels tried to do, but actually good
@@christo7072 Amen
The prequels were a great story executed poorly. The sequel trilogy was a bad story told badly, but with amazing imagery
I'd say they had the potential of being a great story and we're retroactively made better by the existence of The Clone Wars.
@Geralt of Trivia The visuals were nice but I don't consider it as good visual story telling. IMO all the money going to Kathleen's pockets should go to the artists because they carried this movie on their shoulders.
@Geralt of Trivia I'm not OP but could rebutt some. First off, weird flex to throw around writing credits from other projects. Vince Gilligan wrote Breaking Bad, Rian directed it sure, but the groundwork was already there. Also, to excel in another context is not necessarily to do justice to Star Wars.
OT remakes being labeled as bad stories may be due to the fact that they are exactly that, remakes, complete rehashes. That DOES NOT mean the original trilogy has a bad story, and the whole notion is a pretty lazy argument. By that standard we should praise every franchise that just remakes the first film if it was great. I still think the biggest reason why people criticise the new trilogy's story is that it's not coherent as a whole. It's not actually a trilogy, it's three separate movies with clashing views of what are the themes and what should it be about. For all its failures, the prequel trilogy still had a logical narrative that went from a to b to c, whereas TFA gave us a rehash of A New Hope, TLJ told us to forget everything that happened in TFA (and everything about Star Wars anyway) and TROS hastily tried to erase the narrative of TLJ and just focused on making up a new big baddy for the final film. Hence, the individual films may have their merits, but the trilogy as a whole is a big fucking mess with more narrative and thematical holes in it than swiss cheese.
Well, that's sure a wall of text. Some nice pointers too, though I could do without the constant talking down, hopefully we're all adults here. Also, repeating "ironic" does not make your arguments any more valid.
Considering BB and Gilligan, I would still give very little to no weight to directors praising directors they've worked with. It's a circle jerk of empty gestures that are required to keep you working.
I am fully aware of the works that inspired Star Wars, but it's one thing to pay homage to Kurosawa or Leone and from that build a space opera of immense scale, and wholly another to replicate the plot line within the universe. The OT trilogy is an original story within the parameters of the lore, the sequels are not. The same can be applied to your point of Harrison Ford playing a similar character. That is a notion of him being typecasted and has nothing to do with Star Wars.
I don't disagree that the actual handling of the narrative was lacklustre in the prequel trilogy. It was very lifeless. What I would argue though is that beneath all that nonsense was a coherent script that enhanced and built upon the Star Wars universe, instead of copying it and cheapening the original trilogy, as the sequels in my mind did. The sequel trilogy compeletely erased all feeling of achievement and weight of the story from Episode VI. "Guess what, Palps didn't die and another Empire just came up and we don't really feel like explaining why".
I'm not sure I totally grabbed your point with the snippets from TFA, other than you nicely pointed out how they recycled all the concepts.
About TROS and its connection to TLJ and what I meant by erasing the narrative: First off, Rose gets totally sidelined, as if the script writers forgot she existed until they were shooting. TLJ makes a point of Kylo's coming to his own, and removing his helmet when Snoke scolds him. ROTS instantly returns Kylo to the state of mind he had in TFA, also reinstating the Knights of Ren who were nowhere to be found in TLJ and turned out to be a complete waste of space. Rey's parentage and soul searching gets wrecked, this needs no further explanation. Also in hindsight the whole spark for the rebellion narrative amounts to nothing since in the beginning of ROTS they're still a small band of misfits and the deus ex machina finale armada just falls from the sky.
And what I meant by the new big baddy is that Palps suddenly making an entrance is cheap writing, nothing more. There's the diminishing of episode VI, of which I wrote earlier, also there's the missed opportunity of Kylo Ren actually being in charge instead of yet again playing the second fiddle. Also the whole scenario is a writing rookie mistake 101, where a villain appears without notion and suddenly has an armada of amazing power. It's a move that flies in the very face of dramaturgy. Lessing is rolling in his grave.
Amazing imagery rings hollow non stop though, and isn't remotely enough to make up for the rest ot the garbage. It would have worked much better as a game trilogy with cutting edge graphics. With good gameplay it's easier to forgive garbage characters and events, but never in a movie
The only redeeming quality for the sequels is Adam Driver and his amazing acting ability.
John Boyega is also awesome, it's a shame how underused his abilities were.
@@piercetaliaferro5393 Boyega deserved better, being sidelined for an entire movie pretty much killed his character.
in a movie about space wizards and laser swords...talkin about the quality acting from an actor is meaning less. Wow he really acted his butt off...i really believed his pain wen he got stabbed with that laser sword.lmao
Honestly I didn't wanna see TROS but I watched it yesterday and the fact Kylo could look like a menacing Sith dictator and a scared misguided manchild was amazing.
All the actors were great. It's just Kylo had the best character arc.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Err… no.
Longer answer: nope.
short answer: nope
long answer: it's fucking infuriating how it started on solid footing, with EVERYTHING on a silver platter to be great, and then immediately went on tobe the greatest waste of concepts, characters and acting in a long, loooong time
Bro your name is dickens, your opinion doesn't count
Emanueliox Never said it did, but it seems to matter to you and your inferiority complex.
Let’s agree to disagree and enjoy RotS
The fact that the “big bad” in the sequel trilogy was basically the Empire 2.0 doomed this trilogy from the start. It made it seem like the efforts and victories of the heroes in the OT were ultimately meaningless as the universe was basically back to square one by the beginning of the ST. The ST carries no momentum from the OT and the plot lines between the two are disjointed as hell. The bad guys needed to start out as the unexpected underdogs in this trilogy.
@Owen Grady they could have shown a galaxy where problems overwhelming the Republic, leads some planets to long for a more prosperous time under the Empire. Several systems trade their independence for the promise of the return to a more secure time.
this also put Anakin's sacrifice in vain
he destroyed the sith like he was destined to but they returned
now that filthy bitch rey took all the credit
The trilogies felt like they were arguing with each other. like rise of skywalker was trying to undo the criticisms of last jedi, and it seemed like abrams was still adamant on going with his direction. but the deconstruction of the last jedi already cemented what direction it was going in. I know people are mad at Rian Johnson way more, but rise of skywalker could've been completely different. Everything they did with ROS was way worse than last jedi
This is 100% accurate. They should've gone in a different direction straight from the start. The Force Awakens was just a complete replica of A New Hope, The Last Jedi fucked it up even further and with nothing left to save, Return of Skywalker was already doomed...
@Owen Grady they weren't too old. In Legends, when they fight the Yuzhang Vong they are in their late 50's, early 60's and in the ST Luke and Leia are early 50's, they could have had them fighting new enemies.
"Is the sequel trilogy good?" - saw the length and thought: "Is this just gonna be a 25min 48sec clip of Darth Vader screaming 'NOOOOOOOOO!!!'?"
Unfortunately, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yee funny every time REYYYYTYYY
If you don’t like the sequels, why did you click on the video then...
@@Adamvs100 to get others opinion, obviously
that would have fit.
Honestly without the sequel trilogy I might have not really gotten into Starwars.
Either way, I'm grateful the ST exists. It was a fun 5 years.
Regrettable that this was your intro to SW
The sequel trilogy also made me a die-hard star wars fan. Before the trilogy, I was only a casual fan
@LikeNobodii Would've been a lot better without you.
While I may not like the sequel trilogy at all, I'm happy that it got you into star wars. The more fans the better, and I'm happy to have you join our ranks padawan!😊
Respectfully, I do not agree that the sequel trilogy is better than the prequels. The prequels dialogue is not the best but I think it’s fine. They add lore to the force itself and the galaxy as a whole. I feel like the natural progression from the prequels to the OT is well done because of the cohesive story George put together. The sequels however, don’t feel like the next natural step in the story. 30 years and no world building, nothing new, no new order, and a Luke who should have grown wiser just did the same thing Yoda and obiwan did. Luke should have learned from the mistakes of the Jedi of old and not make the same mistakes. Kylo was literally his responsibility and you think the natural response was to run and hide. The last Jedi talked about how the Jedi of old failed and he literally did what the Jedi of old did.
Luke DID learn from the mistakes of the Jedi. That was like.... The whole point of TLJ and how he was against the Jedi. But yea he was similar to them in ways but i dont think thats bad. Also yea they didn't world build too well but i do think it was a VERY natural progression. With a young boy trying so hard to be Darth Vader and another character who is a big fan of the Jedi and Luke's legacy really wanting to be like them and they did a good job fixing the whole problem with everybody being the same bloodline and made it so anyone could be a force user but then episode 9 ruined that..... Pretty much just forget episode 9 lmao. But it felt like pretty natural progression
Also yes Luke was responsible for Kylo turning and i definitely think running and hiding from that makes complete sense. When you create something terrible sometimes you're so ashamed and unmotivated that you become depressed instead of being motivated to fix your mistake. I think it made Luke a relatable character and just shows why he's the most interesting character in these movies. Also these movies are about war so im not sure why portraying war torn heroes as recluses is bad. It might seem repetitive but it just makes sense.c
Bill Button no he never did, luke is a failure. The jedi order is in the same place it was 30 years ago. It’s just doing the same thing over again.
i agree with you on somethings and not on others, but i would just like to point out that your criticism of the sequels and complementing of the prequels are things that were said about the prequels and the originals back when the prequels came out. And in 10 years probably everything you said about the prequels will be used the defened the sequels, and for luke the jedis of old didn't run away they forced their idiology to the point of creating that which they feared the most, in the mind of luke he came to understand the jedis had as much contribution to the creation of vader as the emperor.
@@pugonadrone976 he's a failure how? I mean he successfully helped turn kylo before he died. He helped Rey continue his legacy while seemingly have her question the way things are done in the past.
I feel the prequels defantisyed the force making more sci fi than fantasy. It feels like a video game tool in the prequels not like the description yoda gave it.
The new Star Wars trilogy is like a rollercoaster it has its ups, it has its downs, and by the time you get off, you might be feeling nauseous by the things you saw along the way.
That was perfect. Lol
That’s a massive insult to rollercoasters.
cut the ups
not a single good fight, not a single good character, lore breaking, cringe, etc.
Last film was like:
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It was pretty bad
@@ATATChat no it wasn’t
Brings the force timeline to a close in my mind. I don’t disagree that one could find themselves wanting more, but if you follow the force through all characters, you’ve no doubt it ended the way it has to. Beautiful in my mind.
Uninspiring, hollow, and wasteful cash grab. No one in charge was competent for this project.
As if the prequels weren't cash grabs.
@@Stretchdiazz I don't think the prequels were cash grabs. George Lucas actually wanted to tell the story of the prequels first but he wasn't allowed to because 20th Century Fox didn't like the idea. They thought it was too dark and wanted Lucas to change the story. He went through so many revisions until the story was right for the audience. Remember that Star Wars came out in 1977. During that time, we were going through so much war and conflict. People didn't need a dark story. They needed hope and that's why Star Wars became the franchise that it is today. I personally like the prequels because they're dark but I understand why 20th Century Fox didn't allow Lucas to make them due to the time they were in.
@@DeadmanRedux That's literally what JJ Abrams did for Episode 7.
@Wil Streete If listen to the OST compared to the final cut of the movie it's obvious that they changed the cut last second.
@@Stretchdiazz You don't know what you're talking about.
My personal favorite was The Last Jedi. The issue is how the Sequel Trilogy got two directors with very different visions. Abrams is nostalgic and wanted to connect the Sequel Trilogy with the Original Trilogy in a cyclical way. (Lucas: "It's like poetry. It rhymes.) Johnson is iconoclastic (for better or worse) and wanted to break the cycle with new ideas. Either way, I always enjoy watching Star Wars.
Nice retrospective! The sequels was pretty good for me. In the end i rather enjoy than being critical, and it served. Loved all of it!
Good insight. I definitely agree with all of what you said here. Imo TLJ is far and away the best of the sequel trilogy PRECISELY because it dared to be different.
wow... TLJ? Seriously? LOL (Some people are just fucking morons.) "Johnson is iconoclastic and wanted to break the cycle with new ideas" HAHA. Hey, maybe episode 8 of a series that's been going on for over 40 years is not the time to go and change things up???? Ryan 'fuck nut' Johnson completely derailed any chance of a cohesive story that was setup in The Force Awakens and by doing that left a steaming pile of shit that Episode 9 had to try and patch together. Let me guess, you enjoyed the progressive plot points Johnson put into the story? ..... the world is full of dipshits.
Mr_ Batsu Wow. You’re pretty butthurt over someone’s opinion. Boo! TLJ is my favorite too!! So Spooky!!
Dude get over it lol. People like this movie, including me. The fact that people like a certain movie doesn’t make them a dipshit. Film is art, and art is subjective. TLJ is the closest Star Wars movie we have to an A24 Sundance film.
And I’m a huge A24 Shill. Hereditary, The Witch, and Get Out are my favorite movies of all time.
@@Mr.Batsu12 Yikes! Looks like someone is triggered
Well, the day has come. This is a long look back on the entire Sequel Trilogy. Most of you already know my feelings on TROS. For anyone that LOVES all these films equally, no worries. This isnt a video to judge you. These are all my own opinions. Excited to hear what you think down below! Please LIKE, SHARE and SUBSCRIBE to help the channel keep growing!
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Great video man!
🤟 thanks Enzo!
What did not like about Ep7 was Rey quickly getting Force powers out of the blue and Kylo Ren the main antagonist losing in his first outing. Everything else was well and good.
@@ursaber Kylo Ren was wounded. He was limping and bleeding throughout the fight. The physical impact of the Wookie Bowcaster and the psychological impact of killing Han Solo had messed him up. Plus the Force was controlling Rey's actions, at least that's how I saw it.
AT-AT Chat I agree the sequel trilogy lost its way... 👍 Amazing work!
Here’s a thought: J.J. had the right idea with Palpatine and The Sith Eternal it’s execution was just poor.
Ben’s redemption should have took place over the entirety of the film with him slowly becoming a better person as the film went on.
Instead of rebel fleet ex. machina at the end, they should have stuck with the whole First Order becoming a benevolent empire concept so when Ben finally fully turns back to the light he reforms The First Order into The Third Republic, and they come and save the resistance from the Final Order on Exegol. Seeing Rebel Troops and Stormtroopers fighting side by side against the Sith Troopers would have been a water shed moment for Star Wars. It would have gave incredible meaning to the end of the saga. The Empire, Vader, Kylo, and First Order were never the true enemy, they were just symptoms of a greater evil(Palpatine)
To expand upon that:
Palpatine should have never been behind The First Order. And pickled Snoke should have never been a thing. Snoke should have just been some random darkside user that took control of Palpatine’s abandoned Empire remnants. The Final Order would be a military Palpatine created in exile for the sole purpose of destroying the galaxy he believed abandoned him-actually give Palpatine some character development instead of copy his ROTJ self. Make it clear that he did fail in ROTJ and because of that failure he is back with a vengeance, and instead of putting him into the opening crawl make it a plot twist. Him and Kylo Ren working together should have never happened, and Ren wanting to take the Sith throne should have never been a thing because it was a total retcon of what TLJ set up with his character.
Dude....That's sick. 👍
This is rad to read
AT-AT Chat Kevin Strom Glad y’all liked it!
Yes. yes. and more yes. If bringing Palp back was going to be a thing, then this was the natural arc. It made less than 0 sense to have Kylo working with palp in any form. Ultimately the entirety of ST being super successful was Kylo's arc as the Skywalker descendant, especially once TLJ came out and his character earned much deserved popularity. And they effed that up royally in under-serving both Kylo and Ben Solo in IX. They could have written satisfying arcs for both Rey and Kylo in IX, there was room.
Finally I found someone that doesn't hate the last jedi like me.
I liked the last jedi very much, it is one of my favourite star wars actually (I know unpopular opinion)
@@gipsnadel6418 no it's not an unpopular opinion. People love TLJ too
@@seanfernandes3979 Not really lol... But love for all you guys
Gips Nadel agreed. I loved tfa and tlj
theres tons of people that liked you just need to find a different part of the internet
The sequels taught me that we will always be tested in life, fail, and act stupidly at times. Despite this, we will always succeed if we try hard enough no matter what circumstance we find ourselves in.
One of the biggest problems post OT Star Wars has had is that they’ve tried to shove super complex stories into just three films. If I was Disney, I’d tell the folks at Lucas film to make as many movies in a series as they need to tell a good story.
This
@@fredy2041 White Knight
True. I especially thought the Rise of Skywalker needed much more time to develop its plot, leading to it feeling a bit too fast paced in my opinion.
I reckon they could benefit from a series like the Clone Wars did.
@Geralt of Trivia It wasnt even really NIKE...it was Women in the AIR force. But people online believe anything they want to. These two dudes are hilarious to see comment every 3 hours.
"Rey Skywalker."
Ben : "Had I lived you'd be a Solo."
@@vintagescvrlet Billy Butcher to Rey: Where's your fucking self respect!?!?
Nah thanks , but she will keep her own name..
@@ΙωάνναΛ-κ8ο Palpatine ?
The rise of skywalker is like mcdonald’s it’s rushed and kinda bad but it’s a quick meal that tastes good for what it is
And it makes me SHIT MY BRAINS OUT
There's a reason I never eat at McDonalds
I kinda agree. Lol it’s not good but it has its moments and quality’s. On a good day I’ll give TROS a 6/10 but it’s really a 5/10
That logic should only apply to the spin-off movies.
I disagree. I did not enjoy this movie at all. I had way more fun watching TLJ. During RoS I was just not there at all, not feeling anything and mainly rolling my eyes at the ensuing events. T'was just a bad movie and a bad Star Wars movie. Honestly I can't remember a single thing from it other than the Emperor cosplaying GLaDOS.
Of all 3 movies that I've seen from the sequel trilogy, I thought Force Awakens had a solid way to set up the narrative, it would've been better if JJ Abrams to direct Episode 8 maintaining storyline consistency (with a different title), while keeping Colin Trevorrow for Episode 9: Duel of the Fates. Between the last two movies, it's hard for me to decide which is more re-watchable, but I would lean towards The Last Jedi for its bold yet fucking derivative creative approach. The Rise of Skywalker felt like it was plagued by so much nostalgia and lazy writing with its final act. Ending would've been better if Rey died to save Ben Solo, then making him the Last Skywalker.
It would've been nice to see a pay off for Finn's arc, and a better family character for Rey. I've had this idea if Rey had a grandmother who was conceived by the Force, much like Anakin, but had a more peaceful life. She would cross paths with Darth Vader eventually, then she and her family were on the run from the Empire until their defeat. She taught Rey's mother/father to use the force. Rey's parents were trained by Luke, until they had Rey so they left the Jedi Order. Kylo Ren and the First Order rise to prominence, forcing them to hide Rey in Jakku. Therefore, I could imagine Rey's arc to be another from of a Force Messiah to finally bring balance to the Force and the galaxy.
The reason I hate the sequels so much is that they don't have a soul. They don't have a reason to exist apart from money. They didn't try to make a plan and so it ended with JJ winning the tug of war match
Winning? TROS is pretty god damn bad haha. Hence my C minis rating for the entire Trilogy.
@@ATATChat winning being that he got two films whilst johnson got one. And he was able to choose how the trilogy ended. But yeah TROS is shit
They don't have a soul even with the creative minds and ideas in it?
Those who grew up with the originals will have that trilogy as their favourite, the same goes for people who grew up with the prequels. I’m not saying the sequels are amazing, heck they don’t hold a candle to the movies of old. But they aren’t as bad as the toxic fandom makes it out to be, stop acting like the OT and PT are flawless diamonds and critiquing every slip up of disney, considering tv show quality has dropped since the past, we should be happy today’s kids even HAVE Star wars
Whole trilogy is trash and shit.
It could’ve been better.
That's what I think about basically every SW movie...
And with such simple and obvious changes too. Keep Ben alive, have Anakin do something meaningful so as not to contradict the Chosen One prophecy (meeting with his grandson was such an obvious thing to do!), some explanation as to how Palpatine survived etc.
@Leon Russell k
My Major gripe with the Sequel Trilogy was how they all fell disjointed. It never felt like it was leading to anything.
it did to me
the original trilogy was the same way though
@@henrykastenberg3438 The original trilogy lead up to Luke’s final confrontation with Vader
@@cael4065 george lucas didn’t even know vader was luke’s father until esb
@@henrykastenberg3438 Yet it makes complete sense, is well written, and makes for the best reveal in cinema.
The sequels don’t accomplish the same thing
Honestly, here's my thoughts on the films in the sequel trilogy: outside of star wars and not being connected to that world and it's lore and established rules, as if it were it's own thing, the sequels really aren't that bad. The issues start coming in when you realize this is supposed to be the continuation of an already developed story "Skywalker Saga". Even in terms of a trilogy, I wouldn't say they're incredibly great when it comes to telling a coherent and good-flowing story as a whole. But I personally find them fine if they were considered seperate films that was in its own world.
So for me, imo, the sequels aren't bad movies, but they're not very good Star Wars films.
Fair assessment in some regards
"as if it were it's own thing" Tbh this is the kind of talk i just honestly dont understand when some people keep saying things like, "if you look at them as standalone movies, their own separate thing etc, etc" Such words just sound like excuses for the ST and like they're words coming from "Casual Fans".
They're simply NOT meant to be viewed as separate and standalone movies. The Disney Sequel Trilogy was always meant to be the concluding part of the continuing Skywalker Saga.
Maybe its because im a big passionate Star Wars that i simply cant seem to view ep7 ep8 and ep9 as standalone movies on their own.
Ofcourse its all subjective i guess and you can view these movies in anyway you like, but if you do prefer to just think of them as "Standalone" movies and just "movies" in general, that just really shows the Disney Trilogy is a failure overall.
@@RaikenXion
I say that because the sequel trilogy seemingly disregards so many things that were established in previous films, from continuity errors to the rules itself. If it was its own movie(s) without worrying about appeasing to these rules and established continuities from previous films, it wouldn't have mattered. Now what do I mean by these disregards? Bare with me and my lengthy comment (which I apologize for).
The Sequel Trilogy seemingly just says no to Episode 6. It wasn't entirely that way initially, I feel..it kind of was, but it only REALLY got that way when they decided to make Palpatine's resurrection a thing.
Everything in the OT built up to this moment - Vader's redemption and the defeat of the Emperor. And that was fine, we had a nice little trilogy with a solid beginning and a solid ending. Then the Prequel Trilogy came out, and it was all about building up to this moment - the birth of Vader and the rise of the Emperor to power. What I'm getting at here is that even though the PT came out after the OT, the OT feels like a natural narrative progression of and result of the events in the PT. Or to be more blunt about it, the PT feels like the end of an era but not like the end of the story. Episode 6 feels like the end of the story. The Emperor is dead, Anakin has been redeemed, the Empire has lost it's two most important leaders and its superweapon, and the galaxy is entering a new era of peace. The events of the Sequel Trilogy don't feel like a natural progression or result of the outcome of the OT. Everything that happens that is interesting that would have set up the ST nicely happens in the 30 year time skip that we NEVER get to see. This leads to a bunch of questions that everyone has already knows about or has asked, that can all be summarily explained by "Disney didn't plan out what they were going to do," and that's so obvious with their reintroduction of Palpatine. They said "no" to the ending of all that the PT and OT built towards, and made a series of movies which, to this day, don't feel like they really belong in the mythos despite being canon.
Then there's the added fact that a good portion of The Sequels feels and has so many parallels to "Rebels vs Empire" which we've already seen in 1970/80s for the Star Wars Universe. Even taking the secondary material into account, I feel like so much of the ST was Disney trying to make a bigger, better OT, not actually trying to make something that would flow naturally from the results of the OT. Again, if this wasn't connected to Star Wars itself or if it were it's own films, it wouldn't just feel like a blatant repeat of what has already happened.
I also feel like you can also be a major star wars fan but still criticize the Sequels and see where they went wrong. I love the prequels, I felt like they added so much to Star Wars and it's universe. However, just because I'm a big fan of it it doesn't mean I should be blind to valid criticisms the movies face because a lot of them are valid. From bad dialogue, to forced relationships, it wasn't perfect in any way. I hope if you decide to continue this conversation we can do so in a civil way, which I'm sure we can.
@@sentinal_entity the story in the sequels don’t flow consistently or coherently. That’s literally the main criticism of the films
Still better than the prequels
Original vs Sequel
Original:
A person on a desert planet meets a droid thing that has resistance plans against a large, unfair empire that has been raging for years. The protagonist realizes they are force sensitive and go to a distant planet to learn about the force from a Jedi master, the last jedi left. They gain knowledge from the master, who died later on. They duel with the evil person, but also need to get sidetracked to save a friend from a 3rd party. They find out that they have a strong connection to the evil person. (This next part includes prequels) Then in the 3rd movie they realize Palpatine was,the true villain, playing *everyone* from the beginning, so that that the protagonist would join them on a conquest to rule the galaxy. (Not including the prequels anymore.) The original evil person turns on Palpatine, and the protagonist fights Palpatine with the now good person. Now good person dies and said Palpatine also dies. Peace is returned to the galaxy, but for how long?
Sequels:
A person on a desert planet meets a droid thing that has resistance plans against a large, unfair empire that has been raging for years. The protagonist realizes they are force sensitive and go to a distant planet to learn about the force from a Jedi master, the last jedi left. They gain knowledge from the master, who died later on. They duel with the evil person, but also need to get sidetracked to save a friend from a 3rd party. They find out that they have a strong connection to the evil person. (This next part includes prequels) Then in the 3rd movie they realize Palpatine was,the true villain, playing *everyone* from the beginning, so that that the protagonist would join them on a conquest to rule the galaxy. (Not including the prequels anymore.) The original evil person turns on Palpatine, and the protagonist fights Palpatine with the now good person. Now good person dies and said Palpatine also dies. Peace is returned to the galaxy, but for how long?
Ok this is my first time watching this channel, but the fact that it isn’t called ChAT-AT is criminal.
Lol
My first time a year later, definitely true
TFA: soft reboot, played it safe, pretty enjoyable the first time around.
TLJ: a weird mixture of GREAT and awful scenes. Visually the best in the series.
TROS: absolutely abysmal, hardly feels like Star Wars. Relied way too much on nostalgia.
The trilogy was a disjointed mess that ultimately ends the same way ROTJ ended and it feels like a waste of time. But in the end, it had good moments and I’m glad it introduced a new generation to Star Wars.
Also I’m happy if anyone really enjoys these movies, I really wish I did too!
@@fredy2041 White Knight
Bautista Siciliano TROS is definitely the worst IMO.
But if you couldn’t tell I wasn’t really a big fan of the trilogy as a whole, hell i actually hated TLJ when it first came out (still I don’t particularly like it). TFA is my favorite of the bunch it’s just a shame JJ Abrams completely lacks creativity and nuance.
TLJ one good scene the rest are awful
The main fight is garbage just like the rest of the film
@@fredy2041 he can say he does not like the sequels. What he said is that another person's opinion is wrong and his is correct
@@JP-hk6xw not frustrated in the slightest to be honest. More curious as to how many comments those two will post across the channel..
I love TLJ as my favorite movie. I like TROS moderately, I liked the way they resolved Ben and Rey stuff but it all felt so dumbed down. There was so much needless fan service, and it felt like a sequel to TFA. The lightsaber is repaired? The helmet is repaired? Rey still has her white outfit? The dialogue was so simple and childish too. "if you don't face Palpatine, it will mean the end of the Jedi and the war will be lost"
Agree
I honestly think in the next few years TLJ will get the love it deserves. I remember seeing on opening day and thinking it was meh but the more I've watched it the more I love it.
The Luke/Rey/Kylo stuff is god tier star wars.
@Geralt of Trivia i agree that they would have rebuilt the lightsaber immediately, so yes practically it makes sense.
But it still contributed to the feeling that nothing in the previous movie mattered to this one except Rey and Ben's arcs.
One of the most irritating things about that movie is that Rey gets a cool ass lightsaber, but never even uses it because they chose to repair the blue one. That gold contrast of her blade in Palpatine's blue throne room would have looked stunning too. Fixing the helmet was dumb too. In the marketing, I thought it looked cool with the red cracks, but in the film it just gets in the way and makes all of Kylo's scenes less intimate. I thought he grew out of the Vader wanna be stuff anyways. Such a bummer.
@@fredy2041 White Knight
I think Finn didn't want to kill innocent people but was still a coward and didn't cared for the first order or resistance in TFA
Gamer King yeah, I mean he’s fighting for his freedom and against people shooting him, compared to him killing defenseless civilians, that sounds like a terrible reason to not like his character lol
This Trilogy basically comes down to three things; Some neat to even great ideas implemented by people without the talent to handle them properly. Using nostalgia and "mystery box" plot elements as a substitute for good writing and creativity. And, having no real plan and two directors that basically ignored each other's work and made their own thing.
One thing I definitely enjoyed throughout the sequel trilogy was all the ruins and wreckage of things from the old trilogy. It was so cool to see and made for some great set pieces!
The Death Star surviving that much is ridiculous tho
@@cael4065 True, but it looked cool.
I guess from a story perspective, the ST is about Palpatine’s revenge against those who overthrew him, his final attempt to return to power and gambit for reclaiming the galaxy. On a deeper level, I would say the ST is oddly enough, mainly about the past. Our upbringing, how that defines us, our choices we make and how those define us, learning from the mistakes of old in order to work towards a better future, rather than trying to “let the past die.” If there was a central theme for the ST, in my opinion it would be that no matter where you come from, you have the opportunity to do good. This was mainly pushed by TROS, but in any case, Rey, Finn, and Poe all came from places of evil (the dark side, the First Order, and the criminal underworld) yet they rose to become the new saviors and leaders of the galaxy. And I think that’s a really cool message. Overall, I love the ST despite its faults, and while I wish some aspects were better or more coherent, I enjoy it as Star Wars all the same. Nice retrospective, ATAT, btw.
Interestingly the saga was never actually called the Skywalker Saga until Rise of Skywalker was being marketed. Chris Terrio and JJ actually talked about making the Sequel Trilogy retroactively about the Skywalker legacy, a family tale and poetically wrap as the tale of the battle between Anakin Skywalker and Emperor Palpatine. Anakin chose to be selfless, Palpatine chose to be selfish. So it isn't just Anakin's descendant this is fighting against Palpatine but his own descendant too. Rey and Ben are both Anakin's legacy and finished what he started. Rey, a Palpatine completing Skywalker's fight and finishing off the undead Emperor, Ben, a Skywalker doing what his grandfathet initially couldn't. Save the one he cared about from dying. Not by being selfish and being controlling death, but by being selfish and embracing death.
@@Bryan-dr5qy I was thinking a similar thing, however, you meant "selfless" at the end there, right?
@@Bryan-dr5qy i seem to remember the last Jedi first being described as the "next entry in the Skywalker saga"
@@bauloprete3905 Sorry that didn't you enjoy TLJ, but just because we did, it doesn't make us "brainwashed" or "morons" (you really have to immediately go with that lack of tact or respect, huh?). The movie is controversial for a reason. There's a lot of stuff that you're either going to love or hate. The things I love are probably what you despise, in fact. If you hated the movie with every fiber of your being, I disagree, but I'm not going to hound you for it. I have friends who hate this movie, and I let them be.
So please, do me a favor, and let us be for having a different opinion than you on a movie. TLJ is not "objectively bad" nor is it "objectively good." It exists, people have their opinions on it, and little is going to change those opinions. I love it, you evidently don't, so let's agree to disagree and move on with our lives. Sound good?
@@bauloprete3905 the fact that u made an entire essay just to say the sequels are "objectively" bad is utterly hilarious, get a life dude
Okay, but the mom joke might have a little more meaning... Hux is an orphan who resented his parents quite a bit. This threw him off even more.
Just wish it was part of the movies narrative rather than outside of that.
He wasn’t an orphan his father was a headmaster at an Imperial Academy who had an affair with a kitchen lady. Hux was physically and verbally abused by his father as he brought nothing but shame to him. When Hux meet Gallius Rax, Rax put child soldiers under Hux’s command and when he’s ordered them to murder a few Stormtroopers Hux got a sadistic thrill and later when Hux got the rank of General in the First Order he’d had his father killed
@@bauloprete3905 u really love the word "brainwash" don't you?
Bautista Siciliano
What?
@@deryklei4411 it really brings out the irony in his comments
Rise of sky walker is like that one friend you have that you really like but you hate at the same time
YES, actually this is exactly my relationship with it, hahaha.
Lmfaooo facts
@@maxotto9877 it was the ending of the trilogy
@@maxotto9877 I know ethers why it’s good
@@maxotto9877 i think one of the reasons i like it is that i love Kylo Ren's character
The sequel trilogy’s underlying theme is money, pure and simple.
Agreed
So was the prequels
@@thesweuteen no, the prequels were in george lucas mind since the beginning
@@thesweuteen no they weren't. George Lucas wanted to complete the story that he made. He also had plans to do a sequel trilogy what Bob Iger threw into the bin
@@thesweuteen get out
I have a great many thoughts about Star Wars, and the Sequel Trilogy in particular.
1. It's time for the griping to end. Every Star Wars movie since the Prequels has taken flak for doing EXACTLY what the fans wanted it to do. UGH.
2. Bullying actors for playing their roles WAS NEVER OKAY! Jake Lloyd's life was damaged beyond repair. Ahmed Best was suicidal at one point. Kelly Marie Tran and Daisy Ridley were called awful things and have left social media all together. ARE YOU HAPPY, Fandom Menace?
For me, I got pretty much everything I wanted out of the Sequel Trilogy.
I must make two things clear:
1. The Expanded Universe (pre-Disney) was NEVER canon. NEVER. George Lucas didn't really like it, and took a few things from it, but again, IT WAS NEVER CANON. Star Wars really was six movies and a TV show when Disney bought it. The EU was a pretty interesting place, I cannot lie. Timothy Zahn's original Thrawn trilogy is a REALLY good read. But all the EU was ever going to amount to was fun stories that never really happened.
2. Continuing on from Return of the Jedi and the fall of the Empire was going to take the OT characters places that we would never like, for one reason or another. It was inevitable, considering just how toxic the fanbase can be. I like Star Wars; I do NOT like being a FAN of Star Wars.
The Force Awakens got me SUPER hyped for this new era, though. The trailers looked amazing, and it was the first movie that I'd ever gone to see more than once in the theaters. I liked the new cast- all of them. Rey and Finn and Poe and Kylo and Hux. Han Solo was the best he ever was in this movie. Carrie Fisher nailed it as Leia. Han and Ben's conversation is awesome, my favorite moment in pretty much all of Star Wars.
The thing is, many of us should have known that the big left turn was going to be Episode VIII. The look on Luke's face when he sees Rey with the saber should have clued us in about where Luke was going to be in the next movie- and it wasn't how he was in Return of the Jedi. No. People do not stay the same for three decades. That's not how life works. Having to carry the legacy of the Jedi on his shoulders would have worn him down eventually, and few of us saw it through the hype.
Episode VIII should not have surprised us as much as it did. The Luke-Kylo-Rey stuff is truly amazing. The dyad, the slow reveal of the story of Ben Solo's fall, all of it. Fantastic. Poe vs. Holdo is also good because it's actually rather realistic. Holdo outranks Poe. Poe cannot speak to a superior officer the way he does and not expect consequences, and Holdo was never really obligated to speak to Poe for any reason. Finn's arc, while strange, actually makes sense. The first things Finn does in TLJ are, in order:
1. Try to find Rey aboard the Raddus.
2. Try to leave the Raddus to find Rey.
Finn had left the First Order, but he needed to commit himself to the Resistance. The best way to do that would be to tempt him with what he would have if he had followed through with leaving on Takodana. (The casino is a bit over-the-top, but the message was clear: There are other people who care more about their own agendas than they do about the actual conflict. No matter who wins, THEY win.) Rose was there as something of a counter to DJ, trying to get Finn to see that some things are worth fighting for simply because they are in the right.
And all roads led to Crait. Poe took a page from Holdo's book and led the Resistance to safety (showing that he could become the leader Leia needed him to be), Finn committed himself to the Resistance (going so far as to try and die for it), Rey committed herself to trying to find her own path, and Kylo began to understand that the path he chose wasn't the one he was supposed to take.
TROS kinda crammed as much as it could into its runtime, and here I will give my thoughts as to how it should have gone. I would have split it into two movies, actually, because kriff a trilogy, we have too many goodies to explore, we need another movie:
1. The First Order- This one would have actually been Kylo-and-Hux-centric, as these two consolidate their grip on the galaxy and snipe at each other. However, something is emerging from the darkness- something is taunting Kylo Ren's rule by saying that "I could do it better." This thing turns out to be a Dark Side clone of Rey- and Hux is pulling the strings. He successfully deposes Kylo Ren through the clone. Also, Force Ghost Luke haunts Kylo throughout the movie, fulfilling a promise he had made to Kylo on Crait. As a side plot, Rey trains under Luke, and whenever Kylo reaches out through the Dyad, Rey shuts him down. The last scene of the movie is Ben Solo being rescued by Rey.
2. The Rise of Skywalker- Ben Solo works to redeem himself over the course of the movie, as Rey finally learns her story- she is a clone of the Emperor, as is the new Dark Side version of herself- and Palpatine is trying to come back to life, but has not yet succeeded. Rey and Ben Solo break off to find ways to eliminate Palpatine for good, as Poe Dameron rallies the Resistance (and the peoples of the galaxy) across both TFO and TROS in the wake of Leia's passing for a final stand against General Hux. We venture across the galaxy, to Naboo and Kashyyk and Endor and numerous other places. Enter people like Hera Syndulla, Ahsoka Tano (the Jedi who just WON'T DIE), and so many others. The final battle takes places over Naboo, with Wedge Antilles coming in clutch at a crucial moment with a massive armada of Star Destroyers and fighters within. Rey and Ben Solo go to the surface to engage the clone, and win, with the ghosts of Luke, Leia, Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Qui-Gon jumping in to assist. The Rey clone dies via the Dagger of Mortis and the final scene is of Rey and Ben laying the Skywalker sabers to rest (Leia gave her saber to Poe, who passed it on to Rey and Ben) at the tomb of Padme Amidala Skywalker, before flying off into the sunset.
3. Post-credit scene: Rey and Ben's first recruit is Temiri Blagg, who was in TLJ as the boy with the broom. These three will be a new order of Force-users, combining both the Light and the Dark. The name of this new order? Skywalker.
These are my thoughts. The Sequel Trilogy is a great addition to the story.
Every word you said was right
Amazing, every word of what you just said
was GREAT
@@felicitys3621 You had me in the first half not gonna lie.
Liar
What do you mean every movie since the prequels has taken flak for doing exactly what fans wanted it to do?
I really don’t care about the others opinion I like every film and I don’t really care
Same here
Same
How dare you have your own opinion, heretic!
Couldn't agree more
Same
I enjoyed it overall albeit it’s far from perfect. I think it’s not as bad as many fans make it out to be though and I enjoyed a lot of moments from characters like kylo, Rey, Luke, c3-p0, Finn, Poe and BB-8. Overall I definitely wish it could have been better and there are things I would have changed but I don’t think it’s terrible.
I’d give it an overall 5 or 6 out of ten.
And how I would rank the films I’d like this from best to worst.
Force Awakens (8/10)
Last Jedi (7/10)
Rise of Skywalker (6/10)
Ironic that it’s in order lol.
We're pretty close in ranking
AT-AT Chat nice 😁
PLEASE READ ALL: Coming from a Star Wars family (I.e. My parents met on a blind date to 1980s The Empire Strikes Back, 9 months later, my older sister was born) I grew up never thinking there would be movies after ROTJ. I would play w my SW figures acting out what I thought would happen after ROTJ. Finally being able to watch the sequel trilogy brought Joy to my heart. I loved it. TROS is now my favorite SW film. “Every generation has a legend. Every generation has chosen one. Every chosen one will bring balance to the force” I watched TROS 24 times in cinema. Thx for helping restore positivity to the Star Wars galaxy. Your continued content is appreciated by myself and my family more than you’ll ever know. Especially during this odd time. Thank you ATAT. MTFBWY.... always
A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy Thanks for subscribing. That means a lot.
Although I don’t think TROS is a good film overall, I respect how this movie has made a positive impact and I’m happy to see that in a person
The Rise of Skywalker was a total mess. A hodgepodge that rounded everything up in 2 hrs when it needed more time because not everything was answered. Love Palpatine, but he should never have been brought back, stupid storyline.
24 times? That’s insane! I loved the film! I think it’s amazing to see Star Wars fans that still positive and actually enjoying the films! That’s what they are for!
Otinad I hear ya. We very few must restore positivity to the galaxy. MTFBWY.... always
"The Last Jedi" has become my favorite of the sequel trilogy - a deeper, more serious character tone, especially Luke's arc and ultimate sacrifice.
René Peraza True. :)
I remember when everyone thought the prequels were the worst star wars. The new trilogy said “hold my beer” and then proceeded to ruin the franchise.
The prequels ruined SW for me. That the sequels were terrible still doesn't compare to the incredible gut punch the prequels gave me. By the time the sequels came my expectations were low so just making a competent movie was welcome which TFA succeeded at mostly. It was down hill from there but I'm OG about it and I understand younger fans have different opinions.
@Zachary Robinson dont try to be normal or reasonable around these kinds of folk!! They don't like it!!
@@honuman39 ok I was wondering if people still had this opinion. cause I remember being a kid and hearing so many pick apart everything that was bad about the prequels. But now I'm hearing people say they were never bad, and that people didn't think they were bad, and I was wonderin if I accidentally got stuck in the mandela universe
@@ATATChat right, because you're above arguing over SW. The guy who uses '!!!!' in his posts.
What saved the prequels were the memes
Oh and I wish so much that episode 9 could have been 9 and 10. Two movies would have helped IMMENSELY.
But trilogy gotta trilogy I guess.
@Poe Dameron It would have helped with the super fast pace so much.
Btw love you Poe 😛
Episode IX Part I
Episode IX Part II
Problem solved, still a trilogy.
@@Ludwig1970 yeah like Harry Potter Deathly Hallows 1 and 2 or maybe instead of 2 parts, we can have a show to try to fix most if not all of the problems of this mess of a trilogy similar to what the Clone Wars did to the prequels.
"TROS is a remake of the OT"
I disagree.
Its more a combination of different scenes of different movies that are like "hey, remember this? you liked that right?"
TROS as a story is muddled but has a lot of good ideas. Done well mostly. With a few big slips us in there. Not really like any of the OT movies - like how TFA is like ANH (though not entirely).
I love the sequel trilogy and the Prequels despite all of their flaws.
Same
Same
They are growing on me I liked 7, didn’t like 8 and tolerated 9 but 9 and 8 are growing on me bc in the end it’s starwars
@@XxjesusxX09 I just wished we had a longer battle on exogal (forgot how to spell it)
@@MrZackavelli The Prequels have tons of flaws
The problems with new trilogy begin in the premise. You can’t have a continuation of a story and start it off as a soft reboot. You seriously can’t do it. How or why is there a need to continue a story as well by telling a story that’s already been told? They should’ve did their own new thing. The “Skywalker saga” ended with return of the Jedi. They still could’ve used the old characters in the first or second movies, but have the story be about something completely different. I get so frustrated talking about the new trilogy with people who defend it. You can’t just go into a trilogy with no idea where its gonna go, let alone BUILD ON TOP OF STORY THATS ALREADY BEEN CONCLUDED with no idea where you’re taking the story. It’s baffling to me.
So, I just learned that is was Kasdan who brought any nuance to TFA. I wasn't surprised. Imagine if he wasn't involved....
But to your point, yea, it's definitely strange in a sense. It's why I really enjoyed TLJ for being the only "new" story out of the 3. TROS tried so hard. But beyond it being visually star wars and rampant...the story is so whacky.
Here's to Mandalorian season 2 and Taikas film 🙏
YES! That's what I've been saying!
Does anyone else feel like besides Adam Driver, the only thing running the sequels was nostalgia?
Steve47Block I mean... Finn also run screaming Rey like an idiot most of the time
'Member the 80's?
It’s not nostalgia if you take a massive shit on the memories.
It was a complete rehash of the original trilogy.... The entire purpose of the Sequels was to erase the original characters along with their legacies and replace them with new bland ones
I really think trying to focus on the trilogy as a janky shift of vision between JJ and Rian is such a glib way to view it and puts too much cynical emphasis on what seems retconned. It’s like saying Vader and Leia was never being alluded to being Luke’s father and sister prior to their reveals because of different visions. From a certain point of view, that is the case and it was conflicting visions within George’s own head because he couldn’t make up his mind. The sequels may have purposely tried to mirror that jankiness because it’s in Star Wars’s DNA. Star Wars has always been abstract art, each movie retroactively retcons each other with uncomfortable differences like the prequels being primarily advanced planets with rich civilization while the originals were primarily environment planets.
Internet cynicism and a broader knowledge of filmmaking nowadays really makes us much more apprehensive about the movies’ choices rather than going with the flow. As opposed to thinking “oh wow there was more to Rey’s story as JJ said,” fans went “JJ THREW OUT RIAN’S IDEAS.” As opposed to thinking “what made Luke so sad and depraved?,” fans went “RIAN JOHNSON NEVER WATCHED A SINGLE STAR WARS MOVIE GODDAMMIT I WANT HIM KILL HIMSELF AND I WANT TO KILL MYSELF.” If this kind of climate existed back when ESB came out, Darth Vader’s father reveal would be received with “IRVIN KERSHNER COMPLETELY IGNORED OBI-WAN TALKING ABOUT HOW VADER KILLED LUKE’S FATHER.” and completely ignore George’s involvement like how they ignored JJ’s involvement with TLJ. Over time, TROS will feel it naturally flows with TLJ and it does for me. I often hear people claim that the prequels and originals flow together well unlike the sequels and that’s really just the 2000s generation’s perspective (my generation) because their Star Wars were those 6 movies so it’s hard to process whatever’s new when you become older. Once I became a more mature adult, I started seeing how the prequel and original trilogies really differ.
The Final Order’s abrupt appearance is meant to contribute to that surprise factor and yet we just criticize it because of internet cynicism. I don’t think it ever mattered whether it needed to be alluded to, considering the OT’s deuce ex machina nature. It’s also part of the “phantom menace” idea with Palpatine pulling the strings behind The First Order. I never saw the The First Order as being undermined by The Final Order either, it just became an extension of it. Like, the first order of Palpatine’s contingency was to inject fear by blowing up the dominant government then the final order of Palpatine’s contingency is to then further take control with the Sith fleet while the galaxy was expected to not be able to stand up for themselves because they aren’t able to rely on the government. This is what “they’re just people” means and the “navy” was referring to the New Republic navy.
I actually disagree with this entire post. But that's aok!
I have to disagree with you in the Last Jedi. Some things that were suppose to be explained and needed answers to were completely dropped in the movie. While there was balls, there’s lore to the universe that was completely ignored in what I can only image as an ego driven subversion tactic that the best editing and cinematography in the world couldn’t save. Who was Snoke? Doesn’t matter. Yes it does! How did this almighty powerful force user rise to power and pluck a bloodline student of Luke’s right out from under him? This is a sequel, the OT created rules and a state in the galaxy that needs to be addressed. Same with the inconsistencies in Luke. Yes it’s fine to have him be wise, old and probably thinking the Jedi need to end. All great things to explore along with new force powers. But for him to literally want to kill his own nephew for having a bad dream and then hide away to die while that nephew is kicking his friends asses is no where near inline with his character, the same person who was the only one who saw good in the second most evil person in the entire galaxy in the OT.
And to have Kylo be the only remaining bad guy for the final film leaves little to no stakes for the final film because Rey already kicked his ass in The Force Awakens and there’s nothing extra training he goes through in The Last Jedi since it takes place 3 minutes after the previous movie so it’d be very hard to believe he can best her when she whooped him with no training at all.
Luke didn't want to kill Ben. He had an extremely brief moment of weakness where he considered it, but then thought better. Ben didn't see it that way, though.
@@caelinnis This character refused to kill his father or Palpatine in anger but was so scared of a dream he was going to kill his innocent nephew? FUCK OFF with that shit man. Dude had the balls to willingly let himself be captured in RotJ you cannot tell me he's so cowardly he would try to cut down his nephew in his sleep over a dream.
Alec McInnis
Didn’t he ignite his light sabre... not brief enough I suppose?
@@SeemsLikeSomething Show me don't tell me, is Rule #1 in film. Showing the sabre ignited shows his feeling more than a mere voiceover would. Luke felt afraid enough for a moment to kill someone who is family. Now that is some serious character work and makes Luke exponentially more interesting. Almost as interesting as Kylo's conflict. The dark side's pull never completely goes away. Flaws make characters shine more brightly than dull perfection.
Everyone says it had balls but for me the ballsy move would of been to have Ray turn and join Kylo.
Dare I say it? My favorite Star Wars trilogy. These movies were my open door to Star Wars and I loved each one of them.
For me the problems really started with TROS, but I love the movie now and I think there are things that could have been handled better but I also think there are some really awesome pay offs to both TFA and TLJ and I loved the Rey Skywalker ending.
It also could have been done better, but I found myself rewatching the scene a lot of times and finding new interpretations, not only what it means to Rey's character, but to Star Wars as a whole and it just makes me so happy that she is the first SW character that is actually very close to the two suns (Not even a sunset, sunrise).
But I'm not ready to say goodbye to these characters. We need a post TROS animated series and perhaps, like Clone Wars, it could change our way of viewing the sequels as whole. TROS changed the way I watch TLJ and TFA and I've grown to love these films even more.
In Rey's words: "If there is one thing I'm beginning to learn, Poe, is that you can't dwell on changing the past. Concentrate on the present. Work with what you have."
And I have these films as my comfort films, so, I'm happy.
JOÃO GUILHERME That’s amazing! I’m sure as you, a lot of people will find Star Wars because of this trilogy, and in time even with its flaws, people will learn to love its beauty and to appreciate them as the great movies they are!
Instead of saying what happens AFTER the rebels beat the empire, Palpatine exploded, evil Skywalker dies saving someone from the Emperor, and desert planet hero turns into the last jedi after finding out they're the offspring of a sith lord... Disney just told that story again while swapping names out. Death Star is now Starkiller, we got a new drug smuggler turned ace rebel pilot. I could go on for pages and pages.
The galaxy is in the sane spot post TROS as it is post ROTJ
In Force Awakens and A New Hope the heroes go to a Cantina to find a Smuggler to bring the Droids to the Empire. There's even a deleted scene in TFA of Rey being bullied in the bar and that bully losing his arms like Luke in ANH. In A New Hope it was World building. In TFA it was fanservice. Utter shit trilogy IMO
I also find comfort in these films because I got to meet and grow up with these new characters. Yes, I see the flaws too but that doesn’t stop from loving these films. I never got to grow up with Anakin, Obi-Wan and Padme but I got the chance to grow up with Rey, Finn, Poe and Kylo, who is one of my favorite Star Wars villains.
@@MinuteLeech2 my bro shut up you like the prequal trilogy rigth? In 10 years every one on the internet will love this trilogy bc it presented star wars to them, and the delet scenes was an omage chill bro
Brothers Channel or it will be hated and forgotten. Not every single thing is suddenly beloved a decade later.
I definitely disagree with most you said, but i like how you explain in great detail why you like/hate stuff in the movies in a very detailed way
Appreciate the comment. This trilogy isn't for everyone. And I get it.
@@ATATChat glad you understand and im happy to meet respectful people on yt, thanks
I just can’t wrap my head around the fact that they never even had a three movie plan. Like they were just seeing what everyone said and trying to please everyone. And “If you try to please everyone, you please no one.”
The sequel trilogy is about Rey and Ben and how we don’t have to define ourselves as purely light or dark in my opinion.
it barely explores that at all.
Ben and Rey barely have character or personality and their motivations are convoluted.
For me, Ben and Rey make this trilogy. I can't bring myself to watch the movies in a row though...
Awesome profile pic by the way
@@splashnskillz37 I know. HISHE rules😁
@@GabiBrooks Damn right
I can only watch 1 - 7. I'll just with TFA and end the saga there.
@Geralt of Trivia hi😁🤚
I think they are fine movies. Not as bad as some other SW movies but not as good
Perfectly balanced as all things should be
Still better than Attack of The Clones.
@@Stretchdiazz Yep. The two worst Star Wars films are Attack Of The Clones and The Phantom Menace, in my opinion. When I see people ranking Star Wars films and they don't have Attack Of The Clones and The Phantom Menace as their two worst ranked Star Wars films, I give them a dislike and report them for spam...lol just kidding but I do think they are the two worst Star Wars films.
@@darthtrip7188 euh not really. TLJ is far worse than AOTC. First of all AOTC actually mattered in the grand scheme of things and put things in motion. The clone wars started, dooku was introduced.... TLJ showed us how the 'resistance or rebellion' idk but the movie doesn't either so what does it matter, showed as a slow chase that took like 3/4 of the movie and made no sense at all and was boring af... So all the pacing issues u have with AOTC are even worse in TLJ and the bad lines such as 'i don't like sand' and the majority of the romance comes back in TLJ too. 'saving what we love' and pretty much rose's entire character...
TLJ mainly served to kill off luke. Nothing else happened but the near destruction of the resistance because of the inside job from Holdo.... Oh and rey became god after 2 half-assed not even correct lessons from jake skywalker. I'm sorry but AOTC and TPM are far better than TLJ that did more damage to the franchise than add anything. Oh the bombers...Yeah those.
@@beskardian6798 Nope, sorry. The Last Jedi is a much better film than The Phantom Menace and Attack Of The Clones.
Personally, I love TFA and TLJ and I totally fell in love with Rey been a nobody. I really didn't like Rey Palpatine idea...hated that retcon. But everytime I rewatch episodes 7 and 8, in my mind she is not a Palpatine. Call me crazy, but for me she is Palpatine's granddaughter in episode 9 but not in episode 7 and 8. In the first two movies, she is a nobody for me (It would have been cool that she stayed way....).
Blame the fans who constantly bashed TLJ for being too different. It drove lucasfilm to try and appeal to them by doing fan service
@@superkamiguru5354 Thats not what people hated about TLJ. We wanted different, we got "subversion". "Ahh, Luke by now should be a great Jedi Master!" Ryan: "Sike! He's a hermit!" Mark Hamill himself has said countless times the movie doesn't do Luke right, and Space Walk Leia is a slap in the face. There are hundreds of thousands of TLJ reviews that explain why its disliked. It's completely okay for you to like the movie, but you saying stuff like that makes you no better than the toxic fandom you're talking about.
The prequels were a masterpiece compared to the sequels
That’s just a false statement
Every word you just said, was wrong
Agreed
@@jakesgames1020 You are so wrong lol
1 and 3 were good so was 7 and 8
Idk if you’ll see this comment, but I just need to tell you how awesome you are as a Star Wars youtuber. You’re one of the few out there that doesn’t blindly hate on everything and you’re so civil in your opinions that even if I disagree I can’t deny that you made me think differently about something. Thanks AT AT.
Now, about the sequel trilogy: it was the first trilogy I ever saw in theatres and the energy during my first ever screening of TFA was electric. Same with TLJ, and even to a degree with TROS. I acknowledge they all have issues individually as films but I can’t lie to myself and downplay how much I enjoyed them because I just had such a great time with each one. Is it a bit derivative? Yeah. Are there some missed opportunities? Yeah. Should some things have been explained better? Definitely. But at the end of the day I just love these movies so much for the joy they gave me. Great video, and keep making great content!
I hope sees it!
@@bauloprete3905 dude were not telling you to like something but you don't need to scream out you opinion
"I love it because it brings me joy" might just be the single best reason to like any piece of art.
I have to disagree with you on The Last Jedi, yes it had interesting moments but it didn't tie those moments together into a coherent story with themes, even worse a lot the movie ended up contradicting itself, like when Rose' sister sacrifices herself heroically saving the entire resistance the movie later goes on to tell us through Rose that this is wrong and "we win by saving what we love not fighting what we hate".
To me TLJ felt like it didn't know what it had to say while also cynically trying to subvert what Star Wars did before.
Ultimately I don't feel bad for any of the personalities at the top of this thing, they bought something for 4 BILLION DOLLARS and didn't even bother to plan what do with it - if someone does something this stupid, chances are they've always been like that and they'll keep doing it, absolutely unredeemable
You misunderstood that scene but that's fine. No need to debate a film you dislike TBH. And it's perfectly fine to dislike the ST. I do find it strange that everyone is hung up on the same film. I firmly believe tros is the most incoherent of all three.
@@ATATChat You are a smart guy (and I love your channel and thoughtfulness). But isn't it clear why so many people's passions here hinge on TLJ? Luke was the most anticipated hero return in modern film history, and *this* is how they handled it. In a way that would obviously polarize fans. The thing with TLJ is that it is consistent to like it as a film and also have deep distaste for its choices, esp. wrt Luke. Even while thinking the Fisher King motif is cool if done in a certain way. What I like least about the sequels is how it treated all of the legacy heroes: "Let's just make their accomplishments go away, so the new guys can do it". At at the end of 9 we are no farther than the end of RoTJ. Lazy storytelling. Again, this is consistent with liking many things about them.
@@Munedawg idk i think It was neat to see luke as a depressed hermit and he has good reason to
The Last Jedi isn't without its faults but it is the only one in the trilogy to have clear themes lol
@@nglidk8496But good ideas have to be executed well. And that wasn't.
People love to critique the 'Star Wars' sequel film trilogy for not having been fully planned out, but neither were the other 2 'Star Wars' film trilogies. George Lucas didn't come up with Darth Vader secretly being Anakin Skywalker until he wrote the script for 'Star Wars - Episode 5: The Empire Strikes Back' after 'Star Wars - Episode 4: A New Hope' was released, and he didn't come up with Luke and Leia being biological siblings until he wrote the script for 'Star Wars - Episode 6: Return of The Jedi' after 'Star Wars - Episode 5: The Empire Strikes Back' was released. However, the concept of Rey being Darth Sidious's granddaughter was actually thrown around while 'Star Wars - Episode 7: The Force Awakens' was being made, in addition to the concept of Rey being a Kenobi.
To effectively answer this question in any form of media or art, whether it be music, video games, film, fashion etc..., you need to ask how close it came to living up to its premise. In the case of the Star Wars sequels, there was no plan. They were written in a haste.
For that reason, all I can say about the Star Wars sequels is that we received the sequels we deserved by thinking JJ Abrams was a good writer and director.
As I said, TFA was great. TROS in the hands of JJ and Terrio alone? Bad.
The problem was that there was no planning for the trilogy. Each movie is like a standalone movie trying to be a trilogy
So you didn't watch the first six films?
i agree, but oddly enough, that can be said for a few of the other entries. the phantom menace stands as an oddly standalone tale, with not much to do with the rest of the planned trilogy.
but it still makes sense, so who cares?
Why did Episode 7 have to sacrifice story to "remind" us how SW feels like? Is it too much to ask for a new story and to feel like part of the SW trilogy?
kingkusnacht thiiiis so much. We could’ve had the excitement of a new Star Wars films as well with a new story, something creative, that had, as he says in the video, balls. But nooo, let’s do another Death Star because of reasons
This is it
I think we may well have gotten that with a director like Christopher Nolan, or Jon Favreau or even George Miller. Those talented directors have the "balls" to do something different but also stay true to what came before.
The reason is simple. The prequel trilogy was met with so much toxicity for not being “as good as the originals”. So disney wanted to play it safe and give fans something familiar. That’s why you get jj abrams. Just look at what he did for star trek. It was a strategy. They got rian johnson for the second one to do new things and take star wars into new territory. This obviously did not please everyone because star wars is considered sacred by a lot of the fandom. Imo the problem with star wars is the fandom. It became evident to me this was the problem with the prequels. Look at all the hate on jar jar, anakin, and the politics involved. They pretty much made george lucas sick of star wars which is a pretty amazing and sad thing to happen.
@@Heathboy420 It's not so simple. Blaming everything on "toxic" fans is never the entire story. It only serves as a great excuse for untalented and lazy "artists". The rejection of Johnson had nothing to do with the franchise being "sacred", even the dumbest fans are aware that SW is mass-producing corporate machine. Every fanbase has toxicity and it is handled quite well in most fanbases (and btw, criticism is not toxicity or hate, a differentiation many can't comprehend).
And when it comes to George Lucas, the man was sick of Star Wars in 1980. There's a reason there was almost a 20 year gap and I think one can argue that it's because he's a man who never totally comprehended his own creation or what worked about it. And say what you want, but it was clear that his main reason to return was money.
I don’t care about anyone
I love every Star Wars movie I don’t really care about the Flaws in the prequels and the sequels that’s because it’s Star Wars there all great to me as much as the originals
Ah, finally some that has a brain
TFA = 7-8/10
TLJ = 5-6/10
TROS = 1-2/10
Sounds about right for me only i would give TLJ 1/10 and only 1 because it had ONE single nice moment between Luke and R2 and that was seriously brief.
Honestly if they had actually had a coherent story and Rey didn't just know all the force powers and win right off the bat I could have liked these films... So much is 'good' but the good is largely due to the Disney budget rather than good character development and story telling. Will need to re-watch these again but it's hard re-watching these when their flaws are so prevalent.
To me, they could've been so much better, instead of just tearing down all the old accomplishments like getting rid of the new republic, Lukes Jedi, and making the empire back and having more death stars and rebellions.
We should've got to see Luke, Han and Leia's children at the forefront, Mara Jade as well, this way they have way more characters and story options, it should've focused on Lukes new jedi order fighting a new threat, not just Palpatine again, have one of the Solo twins fall to the dark side and Have Lukes son, Leias Daughter and a new Jedi character be the main characters, trying to get there family back together, there is so much more weight this way.
Have the focus be on the ot characters in the first part of the trilogy and slowly melt the two together, then once people like these new characters, they could just do more films with them.
I wanted to see part of the eu and something new with the sequel trilogy and combine them together to create something original. Luke doesn't need to be an all-powerful god jedi, I simply wanted to see him at his highest point, see what Luke was like training a new generation, cause we never got that.
The sequels aren't in my canon because they are just too lazy and unoriginal and make the OT completely meaningless in the grand scheme of the saga. Ill stick with the eu Thrawn trilogy, but I do liek alot from them, and Adam Driver was the best thing about them
*To me they could have been absolutely good
You insinuated that the ST was good, but could be better. That's false; The ST was equivalent to Jar Jar taking a shit on a bantha before mating with a droidika's exhaust pipe.
The force awakens: fun movie
The last jedi: it was ok
The rise of skywalker: WHY IS PALPATINE HERE
Because he's a main villain of saga and powerful Sith who wanted and worked for immortal in revenge of the sith 🤦♀️ That cause of that is a good decision
For those who like the Sequels, I'm happy for you. I loved the first two films, and was counting the days until TROS premiered. Then, I found out how it ended, and spent the next week crying my eyes out. The Sequels had their problems, after all, no movie or TV show is perfect, but I can forgive a lot of flaws if it's able to stick the landing. TROS, in my opinion, not only failed the landing, it crashed and burned.
I think one of the earliest problems for the whole Trilogy was Poe Dameron surviving and being a main character. I'm not bashing on Oscar Issac, I think he did a good job with what he was given, and I can't wait to see him as Duke Leto in Dune. But having Poe as a main character was one too many for the writers to handle, and I think that ended up dragging down TLJ a good bit. If there hadn't been a Poe storyline then that would have been more time to flesh out Canto Bight, and we could have gotten more Rey and Ben.
Another thing is that a lot of fans wanted Poe and Finn to hook up, which would have been ballsy, to say the least. Not everyone would have liked it, but I'm all for a gay main character if they're done right. My favorite from the Aftermath Trilogy was a guy named Sinjer, he liked other guys, and I freaking loved him because he was a three dimensional character who had a relatable arc, which was, to put it simply, dealing with the sins of his past.
I loved having Rey as a nobody, and the message that was sending, but at the end of the day I can accept her being a Palpatine. But the biggest problem I have, and this is what had me in tears, was Ben's death. The entire Sequel Trilogy had set up a great enemies-to-lovers arc between Rey and Ben, and after everything those two had been through they deserved a life together. Yeah, Ben had done terrible things, but he was still a young man in his prime and should have had a chance to atone. Even if the rest of the galaxy didn't forgive him, that doesn't mean it wasn't worth trying. This will probably change in a few years with books, TV shows, etc., but as things are right now Ben was robbed of his chance to make things right, and Rey was robbed of the family and belonging she'd wanted for most of her life. This isn't how you treat your main couple in a fairy tail. I have no idea what DLF was thinking when this ending was decided, but for a movie that was supposed to wrap up the Skywalker Saga, it failed utterly.
In a meta sense I love how Chris Terrio and JJ actually talked about making the Sequel Trilogy retroactively about the Skywalker legacy, a family tale and poetically wrap as the tale of the battle between Anakin Skywalker and Emperor Palpatine. Anakin chose to be selfless, Palpatine chose to be selfish. So it isn't just Anakin's descendant this is fighting against Palpatine but his own descendant too. Rey and Ben are both Anakin's legacy and finished what he started. Rey, a Palpatine completing Skywalker's fight and finishing off the undead Emperor, Ben, a Skywalker doing what his grandfather initially couldn't. Save the one he cared about from dying. Not by being selfish and being controlling death, but by being selfish and embracing death.
Initially I thought JJ made Rey a Palpatine to pander to fan theorists but it actually added on to Last Jedi more than I thought. Last Jedi was about exploring what make Rey's tick, she wants to fit into a nice legacy that would give her a place in the galaxy. But Last Jedi says she has to define herself and choose her own path. Her arc can't end with the second movie so Rise of Skywalker is saying even if you come from evil you define who you are not your blood, some things are thicker than blood. And that's the message the Sequel Trilogy is sending
Ben did make things right by selflessly giving up his own life to save Rey's. Rey does have a family with Chewie, Finn, Poe, BB-8 and C-3PO. Ben living would've been heartbreaking as he has no one left in his life except Rey and in order for her to live he had to die. I thought it was very beautiful I'm sorry you were so upset
The Force awakens Isn't sitting in that box office takings Number 1 slot because it's a phenomenal film...it certainly isn't.
It's only sitting in that top position because 35 years of SW fans wanted to find out what happened to Luke, Han and Leia.
So many millions of people worldwide went to find out what happened to them and most of them only showed up once.
you could have laid a turd and put the SW logo on it, told everyone this is the continuing saga of Luke, Han and Leia
and the cinemas everywhere opening weekend would still have been packed.
It sucks how the Disney paid media still flogs this stat like some amazing achievement.
I can't think of a greater cinema example where the anticipation and excitement
was such a monumental guarantee of thru the roof ticket sales opening week.
The final figure is not a true gauge of that movies actual merits or failings.
Honestly, I don't have any problems with Luke's character in TLJ. I do, however, have a problem with him throwing the lightsaber over his shoulder. I legitimately hate that moment.
This is truly the best review for the Star Wars Sequels.
I love all 3 movies in their own way. TFA is the most rewatchable, TLJ is controversial in a good way with great acting and cinematography and TROS is the ultimate fanboy movie which I have blast with.
For me, the Sequel Trilogy is a 9/10 while the PT gets a 7/10 and the OT is of course a 10/10.
I'd say that's a fair score for each trilogy.
Jonas Music I agree, yes revenge of the sith is my joint favourite with empire strikes back, but I much prefer the sequels if you get my meaning
I have been waiting a long time for this.
Okay passing thought that has nothing to do with this .
Imagine Padme meeting the extended Skywalker family in the afterlife.
Ranting.
About how the Skywalker bloodline keeps on messing with the orders of the galaxy.
Padme : "It was fine until you messed it up. I shouldn't have married Annekin. Could've saved us all a good amount of drama."
The force awakens was the worst of them all. It was not a soft reboot, it was a total destruction of the premise and universe of the original trilogy. The rest of the trilogy was hopeless there and then.
I initially liked what they did with Luke, but I still dislike how he just decides to kill his nephew in his sleep, really felt out of character for him.
dude , watch the movie again, he did not decided to kill him, he felt he should and then he regreted completely, but his lightsaber was already Lit and he had no time to explain anything
He didn’t try to kill his nephew. Luke had a brief moment of intense fear based on what he saw in a vision, and all the darkness that would come, so he ignited saber.. only to immediately regret it. But he was too late
I think the ST is about the story of the Jedi that took the Skywalker legacy after none of them will be there to do it. At least that's my point of view.
I really liked this video and this is exactly how I feel about the Sequel Trilogy. Honestly in my opinion I do like the Rise of Skywalker but in general this is exactly what I try to say but can never explain. Also I think this video really made me understand why I really like the Sequel Trilogy and why I think it's very underrated
Same here
I find it fascinating, and ironic, that same people who criticized the fan reaction of TLJ are now reacting in the exact same vein to TROS.
Except.....no one made a career off it. Nor did I create 500 videos bemoaning my issues. Thanks for playing tho. 😉
Give it 10 or 20 years and I feel like there will be a critical reevaluation of the sequel trilogy. Just like the prequels now
I definitely agree
I absolutely agree, these movies will be mostly loved in about 10 years
@Dave Blackman exactly the same things were said about the prequels
Oh my gosh! You said it!!! At long last, someone says what I’ve been saying about the sequel trilogy since the day I watched the last Jedi!!😁✨✨✨
I don’t think so. At least the prequels had some sense of what they wanted to do, and the films are actually coherent. They fit with the original trilogy. The sequels are a massive contradiction, and mess with what was already established in episodes 1-6, so this isn’t really the same case.
Darth Vader gave us the answer 15 years ago: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Darth vader turned out not to be as strong as his voice
My view of the trilogy:
TFA: A movie that made me happy from start to finish. It did what it needed to do. Be a callback to the OG Star Wars. And remind us why we love it.
TLJ: Used to like it. But I realized how big of a narrative failure it is. Not because of the TH-cam videos. But just rethinking the film, and seeing that it suffered from poor story choices. Rian is a good filmmaker, but like Sam Witwer said, he didn’t do his homework. Also, I think there are good scenes in it. Like the Throne Room fight. But I would appreciate this movie more if they written some of the characters better. Get rid of the pointless comedy. And for God’s sake, just cut out the Canto Bight sequence. Basically, I really can’t say this was a good Star Wars movie anymore. It’s just, meh.
TROS: I mean, I liked it better than TLJ. But yeah, it ain’t great. It ain’t great at all.
I'll agree on the comedy criticism of TLJ. Without examples of what else you're talking about, it's tough to know what you mean. Cheers!
Watch the throne room fight closely... its absolute garbage. Guards just not attacking for no reason, missing rey on purpose etc.
SideshowBoB44 i feel like you just described most fight scenes. It’s the same movie tropes. Heroes surrounded by villains yet they attack one at a time. Or they are surrounded and instead of just killing them, they tell to freeze or put down their weapons.
@@SideshowBob44 I mean, that's not exclusive to that fight scene, even within the Star Wars saga
@@change023
No he means It was poorly choregraphed.
I like TFA. It was safe sure, but it was also fun and got me excited for the characters.
TLJ I thought was amazing. Everything with Luke/Rey/Kylo blew my mind. The visuals were amazing and I found the twists to be satisfying.
I wasn’t sure how I felt about TROS. There’s a lot I like but a decent amount of things I could see change for the better. It kinda felt like a ton of fan service but it definitely had its moments. I think I could see myself come around to it more in the future.
Overall, ya the trilogy does feel a tad disjointed when it comes to storytelling. But I still love watching them and I think their quality far outshines the prequels. Now all that’s left is to wait for the Old Republic films haha
you said it great, thats just how i feel
Great video man!
TFA: awesome and fun introduction
TLJ: my favorite SW movie
TROS: :/
That throne room fight among other things really takes me out of it. There was so much potential with the First Order but instead of making them a serious military threat like the Empire they turned them into stereotypical mustache twirling cartoon villains. That first scene in a New Hope where we see Tarkin and all the other high ranking officers was perfect. They felt like a serious military bureaucracy grounded in reality instead we get someone as obnoxious as Hux making hitler type speeches to an already brainwashed army. First Order having planet destroying star destroyers and then countless ships showing up feels like something a child would write.
Ultimately, I think the sequel trilogy is actually an above average film series. A lot of the criticisms about each of the films are totally valid, as are criticisms about how they hold up as a trilogy, but I think people kinda lose sight of how rare a consistently good movie trilogy actually is… or how none of these movies are actually, genuinely awful on their own merits in the first place. As a Star Wars fan, there are things that really, REALLY irritate me about Rise of Skywalker, but… it is *actually* bad overall? Honestly, no.
I think that the sequels were actually pretty good and kinda underrated. They’re not masterpieces, not even close, they have plenty of flaws (some more minor or major than others), however I don’t they’re these movies are bad at all. The sequels are what introduced me to Star Wars (force awakens to be specific) so I am pretty biased towards them.
On the idea that the First Order was replaced with the Final Order, I’m pretty sure the First Order merged with the a Sith Fleet to create the Final Order, ie, the Final Order is the First Order.
Totally, I think that's what the intention was but as a viewer, before reading the novelization, it was kinda unclear to me what exactly happened. I thought the way the first order was portrayed on Kijimi was very interesting and kinda wished there was a bit more connective tissue to the one shot above cloud city. Cheers! 🤟
@@ATATChat It seems like there is a lot of confusion with the viewers in Palpatine's return/the Final Order/the First Order. It's all one thing. It's all Palpatine's contingency plan. That's why I'm always shocked when people say that Palpatine's return comes out of nowhere, and the First Order is just a copy of the Empire.... No, the First Order IS the Empire, in it's next phase. Then the Final Order is the next phase after the First Order, and Palpatine has always had a massive presence in the entire trilogy because the First Order is a continuation of his influence and creation. I don't blame the audience for being confused, maybe it could have been more clear, but yeah, Palpatine, the First Order, The Final Order, the Empire, it's all one thing, it's all connected. I think that's a huge part of why people think that this trilogy seems disjointed, it's that they don't understand this.
Our One True Emperor true as the emperor said that the first order was the beginning like in the prequels the clones become from galactic republic to galactic empire
if george lucas could have got his hands on adam when he filmed the prequels
Thank God he didn't. Hayden was lightyears better.
Driver's acting actually pulled me out of the movie on several instances. He never felt like a real person inside that universe. Plus, his character was poorly written to begin with. I mean, prior to TFA people turned to the dark side for actual reasons (like saving their loved ones).. but now one becomes a mass murderer because of fanboyism?? Like.. seriously?!
@@fundhund62 lol adam driver character was bad . He acted very well in marriage story
I thanked the ST for giving us Daisy Ridley, a truly angel
She deserved better from these films. I feel bad for all the hate the actors got.
Simp
And Adam driver
@@Mateocabrera2389 it's called a compliment
A Mary Sue?
6 things that I liked in the new trilogy
1. The worldbuilding
2. An understanding of the themes in Star Wars (particularly in Last Jedi)
3. Han Solo
4. Luke Skywalker (minus trying to murder Kylo)
5. Rey and Kylo's dynamic and parallels (this holds the trilogy together for me)
6. The introduction to Rey, Finn, Kylo and Poe in The Force Awakens
9 things that I hated
1. Wasting Finn's character
2. Cheating death at every turn
3. Starkiller Base
4. Inability to tell a cohesive story
5. Not exploring the First Order and Resistance
6. Finn and Rose in Last Jedi
7. The Emperor was behind it all and is Rey's grandfather
8. Logic stops making sense by Rise Of Skywalker
9. The sequel trilogy renders the OT useless
Also, I'm disappointed how we will never get another scene with Luke, Han and Leia all together
I agree with most of your points here, but worldbuilding??? It was so lackluster and the thing that makes me dislike these films the most.
@@lukar7306 I agree. Only TFA felt alive in the galaxy, but it wasn't even that because it was the same events from ANH. I liked the 1000 word wikipedia articles about people like Bom Vimdin.
@@waffletdt5603 exactly! I get that Force Awakens is extremely similar to A New Hope but it still felt like Star Wars and it introduced a lot of cool new ideas and environments.
@@lukar7306 Probably my favorite of the sequels. I wish that they included the Imperial Remnant, and the Imperial Remnant fought alongside the Republic in TLJ just to explain the war OUTSIDE of the main characters. That would have been so cool!
I really love The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, those movies make me expect an epic final episode, my hype was in the clouds ... and then Rise of Skywalker happened and... I felt so mixed about it, I really don't understand why Palpatine had to return, I don't know why Rey must be related to someone, why... just why?
I 2nd that thought.
Get off it.
SW fans when the Prequels just came out: *_It sucks._*
SW fans after 15 years: *_Oh,its beautiful._*
SW fans when Sequels just came out: *_It sucks._*
You get it?
Same thing will likely happen
People who grew up with prequels are now on Internet. When people who grew up with sequel get older sequel hate will be drowned
It’s like poetry, it rhymes
The prequels are now getting love because they have things that the sequels lack. A set vision, a good story, and good world building. Most of the recent love for the prequels I've seen has been because of that. I don't think the sequels will age well because they're not nearly as compelling a story as the other two trilogies.
@@gbrow1604 dont be so sure. in time the sequels will be appreciated
I think the sequels succeeded on creating a new generation of Star Wars fans
Problem is that it didn’t. The merchandise doesn’t sell. Kids care about Marvel now not Star Wars. I was 12 when the trilogy started and my brother was 8 and neither of us liked it. I already loved Star Wars. It turned my brother away from becoming a fan
Eric Shawn I became a fan through the sequel movies
Team Tundra 2
Ok so that’s 1...
SeemsLikeSomething I mean for the movies. I used to just watch the clone wars show
@@teamtundra2619 Disney needs you to buy a billion unsold toys
As someone who loves this trilogy, your review was very fair and respectable. I’ve been in the Star Wars community for quite a while I’ve seen fans bully actors because they didn’t like their character and they spend most of there time hating on these movies and being jerks to people who actually like them. One time when I said that I loved the Sequel Trilogy and thinks there better than the Prequels, one person called me an average 10 year old and that my opinion is wrong and another person said that I had terrible taste and that it was an embarrassment that I liked these movies. I used to think all Star Wars fans are like this but I was so relieved to see that while your not the biggest fan of these movies, you treat your opinion as an opinion like it should be and you are very respectful. AT-AT Chat this was an amazing review I’m very glad to see that this toxic fandom still has positivity.
I disagree.
The problem with the whole sequels trilogy is TFA because issues that followed are caused by this movie.
It lacks a logical and well-thought world-building. There is no reason why there is a first-order, why the republic is not strong enough, why there are rebels, and so on. It forced the status quo to rebuild the conflict of the originals.
The world didn't feel alive or as a logical follow up from episode 6.
All the small things, like light speed attacks/jumping, etc are just a prove that the writers didn't do their homework and really care about the lore and the Star Wars Univers. They only did what could look "cool" and what the audience could like, not what help the plot or what characters would really do.
Fairly on point, imo. I would score TFA higher tho, since it was near perfect for what it was. TLJ had some of the best Star Wars moments in the saga, but it also was 1 of the clunkiest up to that point. So, I'd put them both around and 8.5 or 9. TRoS, as just a movie, is barely passable, which for me is a score of around 6. However, since I read the novelizations, the book actually saved the story for me. Imo, the novelization is a required companion to the film, and elevates it to a 7.
The only parts of the last jedi I genuinely love to rewatch are Kylo, Luke and Reys entire scenes, the rest like canto bite/Poe and Holdo ship plots I skip past, cause they are boring and that time should've gone to developing more of the great stuff like the history between Ben and Luke
@@BRONZALiVE I didn't care for the Canto Bight sequence either, but my boy enjoyed that part the most, so I'm forgiving of it. I want Star Wars to b multi-generational and even multi-cultural/sexual. I like that my Asian wife is enjoying Star Wars now, since they r including more Asians and women, which help her feel a personal connection. I enjoyed the Holdo/Poe stuff, regardless. I like the subversive nature of the movie. I even like the homage to BSG with the "slow space chase of the last survivors". But, I agree with u that the Rey/Kylo and Luke storylines were by far the best parts of the movie. The throne room battle is now my favorite moment in the entire saga. Gave me goosebumps even after multiple viewings.
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Great video and breakdown of the sequel trilogy. I really wish TROS would have continued the path TLJ laid out. Upon further review, it's pretty astounding how different my view of the sequel trilogy would be if TROS wasn't such a mess. Especially since watching Clone Wars and Rebels and reading Ahsoka, Rebel Rising, and Catalyst (in conjunction with my love of Rogue One) has turned me from a casual viewer of Star Wars to a Padawan level fan...I'm more invested in the overall story and see even more the missed opportunity of the sequel trilogy.
Honestly TFA and TLJ are my favorite SW films. TFA for being really fun and exciting, TLJ for slowing down and delving deeper into the characters. I really don’t like TROS but overall I think the ST is very good and does not deserve all the hate it gets.
@Leon Russell lmao, what a weird way to say "I personally dislike this". If you want to use the objective fallacy, by all means. But you look foolish commenting on every, single, comment. 😂
Also, just saying, I love how the scene where Luke confronts Kylo as a force projection has subtle hints that Luke isn't exactly there, namely that his hair is different and he's using the blue lightsaber, which Rey took
Fun fact: Rey is actually her middle name, Rey's full name is Mer Rey Sue
It's Ma-Rey Sue 🤦
Hahaahahhahahahah funny Mary Sue joke! Hahahahah so funny.