this is but a surface exhibit , saying nothing of the constant internal conflict between the members. which is the essence of NW history..it doesn't touch upon the two times Tuomas was ready to disband and how they managed to recover
@@xeleelex146 You could see it at the band press conference dated 2001 on their faces, they knew it was only a matter of time. Probably why 'Once' was so good.
@@xeleelex146 Why would it? The documentary were filmed long before Tarja situation got bad and after Marco already joined to give a mood boost. These were most definitely the happy times.
@@MikkoRantalainen Yes problems with the old bass player Sami Vänskä, which made Tuomas almost disband Nightwish. However I believe this footage is after that when Marco already joined and things where looking good for some time.
Thanks you very much, i tried to see it once but I don't speaking Finnish and i stopped,but now with subtitles i understood it. Yes it was the end of the innocents somehow, many things happen till now,they change two singers and they continue to making masterpieces. I love them all ,their past and their future.
As a newly minted member of the Nightwish Army UK division, thank you so much for this Trinx! I loved seeing so much of the back history of the band. I learnt so much (plus it was awesome seeing them all so young 😍🤘)
I think the most interesting part is at 2:05:22 where Tuomas says that it's mentally so hard for him to say that he doesn't wish to work with one member of the band that he'll rather quit the whole band instead of dealing with the situation. This makes me better understand what happened with Tarja later and why they went with the open letter.
Yes indeed. Marko does mention in his biography, "Stainless?" the fact that no one was really eager to deal with the deteriorating situation (and that this was also repeated in 2012) and that he (Marko) was, more eager to get the stress over and done with as he had fewer emotional ties to the past than the others did. The open letter does kind of seem to be a truly unfortunate attempt to deal with unpleasantness at arms length.
Tuomas and Tarja had known each other since they were teenagers, it was going to be ugly cutting a close friend and a colleague of a decade out. Although the band admitted they could have handled the situation better, years later.
I personally think one of the most important reason was to try to handle the narrative. As there has rarely been a band where one member is as important as Tarja was for Nightwish, and things with Tarja/Marcelo were in a point where there was a risk that it will destroy the whole band. For the band it was life or death situation, for Tarja it was only at most stain on her reputation which wouldn't matter much cos she was becoming solo artist anyway. I think the letter contains certain things that should have been left out, as the honesty/inexperience causes the letter to show anger, and that backfired big time. Also I think the timing was really poor. To handle the letter right after the tour ended. That's really really bad image wise and it certainly felt worse for Tarja too. I get the idea of an open letter though, because it was life or death situation for the band.
@@juzujuzu4555 "I personally think one of the most important reason was to try to handle the narrative." Otherwise known as lies and cowardice. "For the band it was life or death situation" Life and death situation for a band which reinvents itself for every singer? The melodrama is nauseating. "Tarja it was only at most stain on her reputation which wouldn't matter much cos she was becoming solo artist anyway." Horse shit. She fled her home country for 15years because media attention was so intense they staked outside her house. She was humiliated on an international scale. Her reputation is *still* called into question by NW fans 17years later over that letter. ONLY "at most a stain on her reputation which wouldn't matter much"? You disgust me.
@@kimberlyh.5023 literally not one person on this planet cares if they disgust you. Tarja was a cancer in the band who thought she was better than everyone. In her mind, it was "Tarja, with some guys supporting me" The band became 10 times better once that bitch was gone.
Tuomas for president!...Damn that guy is wise. World need more person like him...and he think same way what i think...i feel same as him even im not musician...actor i am but...damn Tuomas has his feet on a ground.
2:03:44 This statement bears a very close resemblance to yesterdays announcement regarding the next album. There will be a new album in 2024 but the following quote is a bit worrying: "After the planned shows for June 2023 we will be “hanging up our spurs” for an indeterminate time, as far as live concert performances go, and won’t be touring the next album. " Let's see to where this will lead us. I hope so much that they just need a well deserved break and will start touring again with the album after the next one.
Given that Floor will soon have two young kids to look after, this is the only right decision imo. Her husband is also a touring musician, which makes things even more complicated.
@@jussihamalainen7692 I know that and I also think that this decision is right. But I also hope that this isn't a goodbye but an actual pause from touring like they said. I guess time will show.
Also only Tuomas is left from the og lineup, Empuu got castrated by the boss for a couple of albums now since there's barely any interesting guitar work
Yes, every child in Finland born in the late 70s and 80s is intimately familiar with the original pedobear :) We all watched his adventures at 6 o'clock every week day.
yes indeed After Forever, see Floor Jansen at 1.24.05 and the rest of the band. And in 2012 Floor became the new singer of Nightwish, so no strangers there! :)
@@kimberlyh.1090 I agree on the unwillingness to talk about problems. Tuomas kicking out Sami via Ewo rather than talking to him first is a prime example of that. Tuomas/Emppu weren't exactly happy about each other around that time as well. I would add that the Scandinavian nations and the young musicians as well are known for excess drinking (and other things). That is another problematic issue that was seen in the documentary. Nowadays in their 40-50, they seem much more mature. As they should be FFS. Sexism doesn't look like a legit issue in this case. I don't know any NW members/their management (past or present) personally so I couldn't know for sure, but from the general information I have heard about the band, that seems unlikely. If the band members had problems with each other in the past, it looks like a case of general douchebaggery, rather than sexism to me. *excuse the gramatic errors, I'm not a native English speaker
@@julianne_warren "Sexism doesn't look like a legit issue in this case. I don't know any NW members/their management (past or present) personally so I couldn't know for sure, but from the general information I have heard about the band, that seems unlikely. If the band members had problems with each other in the past, it looks like a case of general douchebaggery, rather than sexism to me." I'd have thought that way too, except 1). NW kicked out two Female singers in their extremely underhanded, dishonorable way, then made the *extremely* sexist comment to/about Anette saying "make sure to help your Women with the laundry sometimes." Sami was only asked to leave, and he was a bassist; finding a good bassist is much easier than finding a good singer. 2). There's the excerpt "Sing, bitch, sing!" to Tarja in Once Upon a Nightwish. 3). There's the line "Strip of foreskin between your teeth?" in A Day Before Tomorrow.
@@kimberlyh.1090 The open letter fiasco is yet another example how NOT to make changes in a lineup. Passive-agressive exchange of songs between Tuomas and Tarja shows it took years to became civil enough again to even write an e-mail to each other. At the time of the open letter, Tarja has already been on her way out and said so herself. So I don't see any problem with band letting her go. Although the matter in which this was done should be handled better. It was a dumpster fire instead. Anette has had her moments to shine. But if the vocalist has been repeatedly too ill to tour and left nasty remarks towards the two singers who were kind enough to fill in, I wouldn't want someone like that in my band neither. It sounds cold, but being in the music industry is a job. A business should be avoided of excess feelings. That just leads to trouble for everyone involved. Don't know about the laundry quote. It sounds too random and I would have to read the entire text from which this was taken to understand what is that about. The other quotes - not the sweetest of remarks, although I must admit not the worst I have ever heard. My colleagues (both past and present) has been at least as much vulgar or even more than this at times. And most of them has been middle-aged women working back-office in banking and insurance sector. Hearing someone twice my age saying something like that about their husband/boyfriend/relative/friend/colleague is not something I want to hear, but people talk like that. Not all of them and not all the time, but it does happen. I don't care about look-how-edgy-Im-when-I-talk-trash sex talk neither, but I have also left a few nasty angry remarks myself in my life. This is a human issue and reality. I have never met anyone who would think like Stephen Hawking, act like Mother Theresa and talk like William Shakespeare all their life without slipping into the sewer at least once.
this is but a surface exhibit , saying nothing of the constant internal conflict between the members. which is the essence of NW history..it doesn't touch upon the two times Tuomas was ready to disband and how they managed to recover
Hail Trinx of the House Trinxgaryen, the First of Her Name, The Queen of the Nightwishers, the Reacticiders and the First Men, Queen of Trivia, Khaleesi of the Great Gif Sea, Protector of the MarkoTree, Lady Regent of the Seven Servers, Breaker of Rules and Mother of Discords”.
must be something else seeing your thoughts and such come to life in music -- and the ability to find the best tools to do that -- and then there was FLOOR yeeeyyy nuther lvl
It's insane that they had all of this material available on their official DVDs, but somehow chose to paint HER as problematic on the open letter 💀. Like, besties... have you not watched your own tour footage? because... 😅.
That scene towards the end of the documentary where Tarja is asked if she ever thought about leaving the band, have you ever seen a more unhappy bunch of bandmates?
That's all on her. She made everyone miserable, so fans need to stop the feud. Tarja didn't want to be there so her firing was a blessing to all of them.
@@stubones She did cause a lot of friction within the band. Her husband, Marcelo also played a huge part in getting her fired. Diva like attitude along with a Rasputin like influence. Was sorry to see her go, but everything happens for a reason, yes? ☮️
@@stubones Very wrong. She was toned down constantly due to her amazing vocal capabilities because the band couldn't really follow that. For many songs she was asked to really tone down her voice. And in album ONCE, they toned her down the most out of all the albums before. ONCE received horrible reviews due to the band wrecking Tarja's vocals. The band wanted to go more and more into the commercialism, but they can't do it with a powerful voice like Tarja's. They had to choose a more pop voice, something that is easy to digest, like in the song NEMO. Everyone following NIghtwish since mid 90s knows this.
@UCw0fyHcQy3hKsHRCI71g3sQ Bugger the fuck off with your tinfoil hat. Tuomas has stated that he never wants to calculate the way he makes his music, so you can do away with this commercialism crap.
"pystyn lukee justjajust nuotteja ja säestää pianolla jotaki..." /Tuomas Holopainen. Tästä tulee jännittävä katselukokemus! 😳 "..Et voi sanoo et rupesin soittaa kosketinsoittimia vasta 16-vuotiaana"
In case you haven't found the answer yet, it's "Kiteen Pallo", a short intro song that Nightwish did for a Finnish pesäpallo (somewhat similar to baseball) team by the same name. Here's the entire song, only a little over one minute long: th-cam.com/video/uueskECGExo/w-d-xo.html
ALL hale the REAL TRUE QUEEN 👑 of NIGHTWISH and of ALL FEMALE SYMPHONIC METAL SINGERS!!!, the very beautiful looking and very unique voice of the enchanting TARJA!!!😀👍👍🤘
this is but a surface exhibit , saying nothing of the constant internal conflict between the members. which is the essence of NW history..it doesn't touch upon the two times Tuomas was ready to disband and how they managed to recover
Because she probably didn't like them being drunk almost all the time. Drunk Men are not fun for Women to be around, especially when the Woman isn't a heavy drinker herself.
I was experiencing the same problem, because it gave me only the option of Finnish subs.... when I finally decided to go for Finnish just for fun, they turned out to be the English ones. Ta da!
Actually I think she was not a problem ... you see how good friends they are and happy together in time and era of innocence. But she also wanted to do her own musical projects and solo sooner or later. The boys also see, that her husband came to ruin the chemistry and good long time relationship with the boys. Tuomas knew her since 13 years old and they were local school friends and practicing with the same music teacher Mr. Plamen Dimov.
I think the severe issues only started during Once world tour. Century Child tour was a pretty happy time for the band, much of this doc is filmed during that. She was always distant but tbh I would be too seeing how heavily partying the rest of the band were back then.
@@annab4027 i think the same. Maybe it's a personality thing or maturity thing that there's excessively too much partying. I mean it's pretty much a closed case by now and many other factors come into play, but i can't forget that bit about how the members kept on playing while Tarja was sexually assaulted in front of their audience in Mexico. Very hard to not distance oneself from the people, who have known you for many years, and failed to act as decent human beings.
Tarja wasn't just the problem. There's two sides to every story, and it takes to to tango. She wasn't 100% committed to a job she loved (problem #1), and the guys were more boys than men; unable to express their thoughts like adults and come up with/agree on a solution (problem #2). It festered to the point beyond repair (problem #3).
Tarja wasn't a problem at this time. However, as you see around 1:53:25 the band does seem pretty upset when the press asks again why Tarja is still in the band. Around 2004 Tarja had told that she'll would be willing to do two more albums and then will start solo stuff and Tuomas wasn't happy to write any more songs for her after that. In addition, as you can see in the open letter, Tarja was thinking the band more as a entrepreneur project whereas Tuomas was thinking it was just about music and ignored financial stuff as much as possible. I'd guess they could have been able to come up with middle ground if they could have talked about things "like adults" but they failed at that. Instead, they just started to avoid seeing the band outside the gigs, which obviously doesn't work as a long term solution.
I download every doc of these guys, is my favorite band of all times and my inspiration when I'm in bad times.
Thank you for everything Nightwish!!
The world of Nightwish was crazy, so glad this entire movie exists, so valuable
Jukka you'll aways be a member of the band. We love you.
I totally agree
So glad this history is on record
one of the best metal band in the world ❤
But alas the world doesn't know them.😔
Everybody who want to know what Nightwish is, must see this and i think, this videos is the beginning of the end of an era.
this is but a surface exhibit , saying nothing of the constant internal conflict between the members. which is the essence of NW history..it doesn't touch upon the two times Tuomas was ready to disband and how they managed to recover
@@xeleelex146 You could see it at the band press conference dated 2001 on their faces, they knew it was only a matter of time. Probably why 'Once' was so good.
@@xeleelex146 Why would it? The documentary were filmed long before Tarja situation got bad and after Marco already joined to give a mood boost. These were most definitely the happy times.
@@JackM. Nightwish had serious problems before kicking Tarja out. I think Tuomas was having very bad times in 2000 or 2001.
@@MikkoRantalainen Yes problems with the old bass player Sami Vänskä, which made Tuomas almost disband Nightwish. However I believe this footage is after that when Marco already joined and things where looking good for some time.
Thanks you very much, i tried to see it once but I don't speaking Finnish and i stopped,but now with subtitles i understood it. Yes it was the end of the innocents somehow, many things happen till now,they change two singers and they continue to making masterpieces. I love them all ,their past and their future.
As a newly minted member of the Nightwish Army UK division, thank you so much for this Trinx! I loved seeing so much of the back history of the band. I learnt so much (plus it was awesome seeing them all so young 😍🤘)
Brazilian Division in here, also appreciating the learning.
I think the most interesting part is at 2:05:22 where Tuomas says that it's mentally so hard for him to say that he doesn't wish to work with one member of the band that he'll rather quit the whole band instead of dealing with the situation. This makes me better understand what happened with Tarja later and why they went with the open letter.
Yes indeed. Marko does mention in his biography, "Stainless?" the fact that no one was really eager to deal with the deteriorating situation (and that this was also repeated in 2012) and that he (Marko) was, more eager to get the stress over and done with as he had fewer emotional ties to the past than the others did. The open letter does kind of seem to be a truly unfortunate attempt to deal with unpleasantness at arms length.
Tuomas and Tarja had known each other since they were teenagers, it was going to be ugly cutting a close friend and a colleague of a decade out.
Although the band admitted they could have handled the situation better, years later.
I personally think one of the most important reason was to try to handle the narrative. As there has rarely been a band where one member is as important as Tarja was for Nightwish, and things with Tarja/Marcelo were in a point where there was a risk that it will destroy the whole band.
For the band it was life or death situation, for Tarja it was only at most stain on her reputation which wouldn't matter much cos she was becoming solo artist anyway.
I think the letter contains certain things that should have been left out, as the honesty/inexperience causes the letter to show anger, and that backfired big time. Also I think the timing was really poor. To handle the letter right after the tour ended. That's really really bad image wise and it certainly felt worse for Tarja too.
I get the idea of an open letter though, because it was life or death situation for the band.
@@juzujuzu4555 "I personally think one of the most important reason was to try to handle the narrative." Otherwise known as lies and cowardice.
"For the band it was life or death situation" Life and death situation for a band which reinvents itself for every singer? The melodrama is nauseating.
"Tarja it was only at most stain on her reputation which wouldn't matter much cos she was becoming solo artist anyway." Horse shit. She fled her home country for 15years because media attention was so intense they staked outside her house. She was humiliated on an international scale. Her reputation is *still* called into question by NW fans 17years later over that letter. ONLY "at most a stain on her reputation which wouldn't matter much"? You disgust me.
@@kimberlyh.5023 literally not one person on this planet cares if they disgust you. Tarja was a cancer in the band who thought she was better than everyone. In her mind, it was "Tarja, with some guys supporting me" The band became 10 times better once that bitch was gone.
Tuomas for president!...Damn that guy is wise. World need more person like him...and he think same way what i think...i feel same as him even im not musician...actor i am but...damn Tuomas has his feet on a ground.
I love all the Nightwish documentaries for the Emppu content 💛💛
So awesome video how they made the foundation and went through the growing process for the best band and music ever.
Thank you Trinxy! I have not been able to find this one with the English subtitles in a long time. I had only watched it once.
@@janihaavisto79 Sorry to inform you but she passed in June :(
i never forget the concert in 97 or 98 in a small room in Austria... Tarha had hair extension there..
I feel like Tuomas when he say that music reflects yourself. And arts can save us of suicide.
2:03:44 This statement bears a very close resemblance to yesterdays announcement regarding the next album. There will be a new album in 2024 but the following quote is a bit worrying: "After the planned shows for June 2023 we will be “hanging up our spurs” for an indeterminate time, as far as live concert performances go, and won’t be touring the next album. "
Let's see to where this will lead us. I hope so much that they just need a well deserved break and will start touring again with the album after the next one.
Given that Floor will soon have two young kids to look after, this is the only right decision imo. Her husband is also a touring musician, which makes things even more complicated.
@@jussihamalainen7692 I know that and I also think that this decision is right. But I also hope that this isn't a goodbye but an actual pause from touring like they said. I guess time will show.
Also only Tuomas is left from the og lineup, Empuu got castrated by the boss for a couple of albums now since there's barely any interesting guitar work
Thanks Trinx, hug.
super film about Nightwish! )
LOL! Didn´t know Fins have their version of Macko Uško! It´s Nalle Luppakorva! I recognized the song right away! :D
Yes, every child in Finland born in the late 70s and 80s is intimately familiar with the original pedobear :) We all watched his adventures at 6 o'clock every week day.
Olen pieni nalle vain, pullea (?)
@@zedski I was born in mid 70's and that's already drilled in my subconscious
Thank you so much for this.
15:18 After Forever!
23:13 Anneke 😍
yes indeed After Forever, see Floor Jansen at 1.24.05 and the rest of the band. And in 2012 Floor became the new singer of Nightwish, so no strangers there! :)
What a cool vid on their backstory. Good to see Tuomas doing a bungee jump. Scarier than a tandem parachute jump for me.
37:20 Marco's first Raskasta Joulua Tour 😄
1:53:25-1:54:20 That answer and the look on everybody's faces. End of an Era is coming.
Sexism and the inability/unwillingness to talk about inner-personal problems like adults makes for a poor working relationship.
@@kimberlyh.1090 I agree on the unwillingness to talk about problems. Tuomas kicking out Sami via Ewo rather than talking to him first is a prime example of that. Tuomas/Emppu weren't exactly happy about each other around that time as well. I would add that the Scandinavian nations and the young musicians as well are known for excess drinking (and other things). That is another problematic issue that was seen in the documentary. Nowadays in their 40-50, they seem much more mature. As they should be FFS.
Sexism doesn't look like a legit issue in this case. I don't know any NW members/their management (past or present) personally so I couldn't know for sure, but from the general information I have heard about the band, that seems unlikely. If the band members had problems with each other in the past, it looks like a case of general douchebaggery, rather than sexism to me.
*excuse the gramatic errors, I'm not a native English speaker
@@julianne_warren "Sexism doesn't look like a legit issue in this case. I don't know any NW members/their management (past or present) personally so I couldn't know for sure, but from the general information I have heard about the band, that seems unlikely. If the band members had problems with each other in the past, it looks like a case of general douchebaggery, rather than sexism to me."
I'd have thought that way too, except 1). NW kicked out two Female singers in their extremely underhanded, dishonorable way, then made the *extremely* sexist comment to/about Anette saying "make sure to help your Women with the laundry sometimes." Sami was only asked to leave, and he was a bassist; finding a good bassist is much easier than finding a good singer.
2). There's the excerpt "Sing, bitch, sing!" to Tarja in Once Upon a Nightwish.
3). There's the line "Strip of foreskin between your teeth?" in A Day Before Tomorrow.
@@julianne_warren Your is English is fine.
@@kimberlyh.1090 The open letter fiasco is yet another example how NOT to make changes in a lineup. Passive-agressive exchange of songs between Tuomas and Tarja shows it took years to became civil enough again to even write an e-mail to each other. At the time of the open letter, Tarja has already been on her way out and said so herself. So I don't see any problem with band letting her go. Although the matter in which this was done should be handled better. It was a dumpster fire instead.
Anette has had her moments to shine. But if the vocalist has been repeatedly too ill to tour and left nasty remarks towards the two singers who were kind enough to fill in, I wouldn't want someone like that in my band neither. It sounds cold, but being in the music industry is a job. A business should be avoided of excess feelings. That just leads to trouble for everyone involved.
Don't know about the laundry quote. It sounds too random and I would have to read the entire text from which this was taken to understand what is that about.
The other quotes - not the sweetest of remarks, although I must admit not the worst I have ever heard. My colleagues (both past and present) has been at least as much vulgar or even more than this at times. And most of them has been middle-aged women working back-office in banking and insurance sector. Hearing someone twice my age saying something like that about their husband/boyfriend/relative/friend/colleague is not something I want to hear, but people talk like that. Not all of them and not all the time, but it does happen. I don't care about look-how-edgy-Im-when-I-talk-trash sex talk neither, but I have also left a few nasty angry remarks myself in my life. This is a human issue and reality. I have never met anyone who would think like Stephen Hawking, act like Mother Theresa and talk like William Shakespeare all their life without slipping into the sewer at least once.
and then tuomas wrote his masterpiece: the poet and the pendulum
and then tuomas wrote his masterpiece: *insert one of at least a dozen songs from the last 3 albums*
Aside from all the naked men's butts, that was pretty fun. Thanks for sharing it with us Trinxy. I finally finished it. Yay! 😂🤣
this is but a surface exhibit , saying nothing of the constant internal conflict between the members. which is the essence of NW history..it doesn't touch upon the two times Tuomas was ready to disband and how they managed to recover
17:05 - I do appreciate the Pursuit of Vikings.. :) What else scandinavian band techs could check the equipment to :)
Hail Trinx of the House Trinxgaryen, the First of Her Name, The Queen of the Nightwishers, the Reacticiders and the First Men, Queen of Trivia, Khaleesi of the Great Gif Sea, Protector of the MarkoTree, Lady Regent of the Seven Servers, Breaker of Rules and Mother of Discords”.
must be something else seeing your thoughts and such come to life in music -- and the ability to find the best tools to do that -- and then there was FLOOR yeeeyyy nuther lvl
didn't expect to see Floor in a Nightwish documentary from 2003 lol
Timestamp?
1:25:23 Is that Tarja with Angela Gossow?
Tero’s duties after the gig 😂
Not surprised at all that Tarja did not want to spend her time and travel with them.
Idiot.
It's insane that they had all of this material available on their official DVDs, but somehow chose to paint HER as problematic on the open letter 💀. Like, besties... have you not watched your own tour footage? because... 😅.
Seriously, this was hard to watch.. and i was even skipping through just looking for Emppu bits
Seriously, this was hard to watch.. and i was even skipping through just looking for Emppu bits
Well if she's the odd one out that makes her problematic since she doesn't fit the culture.
Omg that Dutch fan jelling "Geile beff slet" just got me laughing in stitches XD
I need a timestamp
@@DeniseHofs Just in case someone's still wondering: 36:40
"Horny beef slut"? Somebody human-translate please?
karlola777 almost haha. Bef or the full verb beffen means to eat a girl out 😂
This was a true Nightwish..amazing era…
LoL *Geile befslet* at: 36:41 hahaha grazy dutch. I love it.
What does it mean?
@@kimberlyh.1090 Hmmm it's hard to translate. It is a made up saying. But it means something like: Hot girl.
Aaaaah ... when they were but babes and had tons of energy (and so did their fans). 😂
That scene towards the end of the documentary where Tarja is asked if she ever thought about leaving the band, have you ever seen a more unhappy bunch of bandmates?
That's all on her. She made everyone miserable, so fans need to stop the feud. Tarja didn't want to be there so her firing was a blessing to all of them.
@@stubones She did cause a lot of friction within the band. Her husband, Marcelo also played a huge part in getting her fired. Diva like attitude along with a Rasputin like influence. Was sorry to see her go, but everything happens for a reason, yes? ☮️
@@stubones Very wrong. She was toned down constantly due to her amazing vocal capabilities because the band couldn't really follow that. For many songs she was asked to really tone down her voice. And in album ONCE, they toned her down the most out of all the albums before. ONCE received horrible reviews due to the band wrecking Tarja's vocals. The band wanted to go more and more into the commercialism, but they can't do it with a powerful voice like Tarja's. They had to choose a more pop voice, something that is easy to digest, like in the song NEMO.
Everyone following NIghtwish since mid 90s knows this.
@UCw0fyHcQy3hKsHRCI71g3sQ Bugger the fuck off with your tinfoil hat. Tuomas has stated that he never wants to calculate the way he makes his music, so you can do away with this commercialism crap.
@@stubones Takes two to tango; it was her-Marcelo *and* the band.
I’m glad Floor is now their singer, their songs are also better with Floor . I have listened Nightwish since their debut album.
Lange Angel. Oh my Godness..Marco and Emppu the Pranksters. Why did they play a Kids Tape forcthe other Group?
Whats the song that plays in the beginning? 0:55
Hey, it's called Kiteen Pallo. It's not a full length song, unfortunately, which is a shame, because its so epic!
For field entrance of local baseball team.
marcoooo
Ahh!!! cool, and i was wondering how da hek i will kill my time thx Trinx!!!
"pystyn lukee justjajust nuotteja ja säestää pianolla jotaki..." /Tuomas Holopainen. Tästä tulee jännittävä katselukokemus! 😳
"..Et voi sanoo et rupesin soittaa kosketinsoittimia vasta 16-vuotiaana"
Is there someone who can help me to get the name of the song starting at 00:13 ? Thanks so much :D
Kiteen Pallo
Ich suche selbst ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤. Wenn ich finde sage ich dir🎉
Ahh the band before the Karens of the world took over, having reaction channels as their nests
I’m probably doing something wrong, because I can’t find English subtitles...
There is a button that adds them
@@trinxikene Ah, thank you. It said Finnish, but was English!
I didnt get any subtitles ☹️
There should be a subtitles button on the video where you can switch them on and off.
Ha ha trust me, everything is so instant these days never thought i would have to click anything ha ha ha!
Thank you
23:44 hahaha Demo Story Fun😂
1.24.05 After Forever with Floor Jansen?
Absolutely! You can clearly hear "Ex Cathedra" which it's Decipher's first track a few seconds earlier :)
Why didn't Tuomas won't Sami in the band ?anyone who nows the reason for that
Sami didn't take Nightwish as seriously as the other members did, he stopped coming to rehearsals and was late/drunk for gigs.
I love you
Amo esta banda pero eran muy borrachos los chicos, poco profesionales en ese sentido, entiendo que Tarja se hubiese cansado de sus actitudes..
poor guy, he can't even lift his eyes when talking about Tarja.
Love to watch this but there are no subtitles to be found. Any advice in how to engage them. I'm watching this on my Samsung Note 8.
There are hidden in options as finnish 😂 I was tricked at first also
What is the song Marko is playing bits of at 20:28 and 20:48? I don't think I recognize it.
I believe it's Lagoon
@@klis7 there it is- in the bridge section. thank you! In 20+ years of listening to NW I somehow manged to miss this lovely song.
57:20 What happened there?
Dunno, Tuomas got so hammered he's staggering?
Tuomas had some trouble with alcohol back then. He was drunk most of the time like the guys in the band back then.
they are all alcoholics..Tarja had to put up with these drunks
@@xeleelex146 she should've drank more herself then I guess 🤷♂️ jokes aside they're all happy and doing what they enjoy and that's all that matters
@@xeleelex146 "are"? I mean sure it's only like an 18-year-old documentary
what song is at the end of the video? pls
In case you haven't found the answer yet, it's "Kiteen Pallo", a short intro song that Nightwish did for a Finnish pesäpallo (somewhat similar to baseball) team by the same name. Here's the entire song, only a little over one minute long: th-cam.com/video/uueskECGExo/w-d-xo.html
в начале музыка,найти не могу,не подскажите?
th-cam.com/video/uueskECGExo/w-d-xo.html
About 33m in what is the song?
Dead to the world! :)
ALL hale the REAL TRUE QUEEN 👑 of NIGHTWISH and of ALL FEMALE SYMPHONIC METAL SINGERS!!!, the very beautiful looking and very unique voice of the enchanting TARJA!!!😀👍👍🤘
0:56 für ein Song???
Nightwish - Kiteen Pallo
this is but a surface exhibit , saying nothing of the constant internal conflict between the members. which is the essence of NW history..it doesn't touch upon the two times Tuomas was ready to disband and how they managed to recover
In 2003? I don't think so.
Does anyone know which song is at the complete end? 2:13:13
Kiteen Pallo :) th-cam.com/video/uueskECGExo/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=karlottokurt
@@Aeger136 Thanks!
@@VeronikaVelez what is it
Just commenting so I can read when someone answers
@@sarex86 @_axu_ that short masterpiece is called Kiteen Pallo
they shared beers and had fun but not with Tarja , why?
Because she probably didn't like them being drunk almost all the time. Drunk Men are not fun for Women to be around, especially when the Woman isn't a heavy drinker herself.
women love it more then men, so shut the hell up@@kimberlyh.5023
❤😘😘😘🤘😍
Die sprechen Finisch? Nocht?
Yep
Why am I not seeing the subtitles?
cause you have to add them in settings?
I was experiencing the same problem, because it gave me only the option of Finnish subs.... when I finally decided to go for Finnish just for fun, they turned out to be the English ones. Ta da!
Am i blind or what... What subtitles??
Als je rechtsboven op die 3 streepje drukt en dan op ondertiteling en dan op " Fins " krijg je Engelse ondertiteling...
@@bettymajoor mahtavaa. Kiitos. Tuosta oli ihan järkyn paljon hyötyä. Suorastaan käänteentekevän massiivisesti
Why Tarja was problem, I don't understend?
Actually I think she was not a problem ... you see how good friends they are and happy together in time and era of innocence. But she also wanted to do her own musical projects and solo sooner or later. The boys also see, that her husband came to ruin the chemistry and good long time relationship with the boys. Tuomas knew her since 13 years old and they were local school friends and practicing with the same music teacher Mr. Plamen Dimov.
I think the severe issues only started during Once world tour. Century Child tour was a pretty happy time for the band, much of this doc is filmed during that. She was always distant but tbh I would be too seeing how heavily partying the rest of the band were back then.
@@annab4027 i think the same. Maybe it's a personality thing or maturity thing that there's excessively too much partying.
I mean it's pretty much a closed case by now and many other factors come into play, but i can't forget that bit about how the members kept on playing while Tarja was sexually assaulted in front of their audience in Mexico.
Very hard to not distance oneself from the people, who have known you for many years, and failed to act as decent human beings.
Tarja wasn't just the problem. There's two sides to every story, and it takes to to tango. She wasn't 100% committed to a job she loved (problem #1), and the guys were more boys than men; unable to express their thoughts like adults and come up with/agree on a solution (problem #2). It festered to the point beyond repair (problem #3).
Tarja wasn't a problem at this time. However, as you see around 1:53:25 the band does seem pretty upset when the press asks again why Tarja is still in the band. Around 2004 Tarja had told that she'll would be willing to do two more albums and then will start solo stuff and Tuomas wasn't happy to write any more songs for her after that. In addition, as you can see in the open letter, Tarja was thinking the band more as a entrepreneur project whereas Tuomas was thinking it was just about music and ignored financial stuff as much as possible. I'd guess they could have been able to come up with middle ground if they could have talked about things "like adults" but they failed at that. Instead, they just started to avoid seeing the band outside the gigs, which obviously doesn't work as a long term solution.
I dont see English subtitles
Jukka folding up like a Swiss knife will never not be funny 8:01
1:36:21
Dude there’s no subtitles in this
Nvm I got it lol my bad
Als je rechtsboven op die 3 stipjes drukt en dan op ondertiteling en dan op '" Fins " , krijg je Engelse ondertiteling...
Not a single word of Tarja in the document. That show how Thuomas "control" the band.
Not surprised at all that Tarja did not want to spend her time and travel with them.
Are you too young and dont understand whats happening ???
Or are yor REAL DUMB ?????? 😂😂😂