Lombardi Live! Spotlights: Freddie Gruber (Episode 30)
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- Freddie Gruber was on the scene in New York during the heyday of the Big Band and BeBop eras and, through his close friendships with just about all of the top drummers of the day, became one of the most influential drum teachers of the late 20th Century. His students included Steve Smith, Dave Weckl, Neil Peart just to name a few. In this episode of Lombardi Live! Don shares a video he did with Freddie specifically discussing Buddy’s technique and touching on how Freddie explained Buddy’s technique to him. This is an introduction to a course coming to Drum Channel early next year. Join us every Tuesday at 5 PM PT for a new episode of Lombardi Live!
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My Dad and Freddie were good friends. I was a kid (I'm now 70) and a budding drummer like my Dad. They hung in NY on the music scene together. My Dad and Mom followed close behind Freddie when he moved to CA. Freddie gave me a few lessons here and there for free. Believe me, I've seen him play. He could DEFINITELY play! All these disrespectful comments that he couldn't play are B S.!! How would YOU know?!
As a weekly student of FRED GRUBER for over 20 years I wholeheartedly concur with you
Well said! And wow what a lot of fascinating stories you will all have had from that history!
Awesome! Even more so seeing anything of Freddie. Im from Brazil and studied, here, with a former student of his. A great luck. But seeing HIM explaining these things, that my teacher got from him, and I had the luck to study so many years ago… just priceless. Thank you.
Thanks Don. At a bare minimum you’re opening our minds to new ways of thinking about collaborating with the natural mechanics of momentum.
I love Freddie and remember watching this when it aired on the Drum Channel.
Buddy had a near perfect technique using natural ability, it’s amazing as Freddie said, how much in touch Buddy was with natural motion. I saw Buddy live in 1980, blew my mind.
This is a great lesson. This is like the short game technique in golf, it's an art in itself. 👍🥁👍DC
this is great! Thank you!
Thank you for posting. I was fortunate enough to have studied with Freddie for 3 1/2 years and I’m very grateful he took me on as a student. He was a drum teacher of inestimable value. Freddie was to teaching drums as Buddy Rich was to playing drums. It’s no surprise that many pros sought his tutelage, especially those whose playing ability would be considered beyond reproach. I’ll be forever thankful.
I’m curious when did you study with Freddie? what years were you with FRED I wonder if I ever saw you at the house?!
I was there almost Every day during the last year of his life, did I meet you there?
Did you ever see Freddie actually play the drums?
Actually he never player the drums
@@andreadidomenico6759 : don’t be an idiot, Andrea of course he played drums. If I had a dollar for every time I saw him play drums and play them with excellence in authority. I wouldn’t be here arguing with TROLLS like you I’d be sitting on the beach in the Bahamas, drinking piña coladas!
@@unclerhombus : yes, I have seen him play thousands of times so screw you!
I studied with him for over 30 years, so I guess I’m the authority here, not you!
Dave You have incredible technique flawless rolls precision articulation just Fantastic god Bless you I love this Channel.
Don?
That was great, THANK YOU
Excellent analysis of gravity, motion and relaxed control. As I recall growing up in NYC and studying in the very early 70s much of this was taught at the Henry Adler studios by Ed Shaughnessy, Sonny Igoe and my teacher Joe Cusatis. Although they were all great drummers, they all looked at Buddy as the one far above everyone else. Buddy’s rhythmic mind and body were one and his technique was natural to him. To this day very few approach him technically and drive a big band the way he did. Thanks for what you’re doing Don!
Happy to see you mention Joe Cusatis! My teacher in 1971 took me through the Cusatis book. Sad how overlooked Joe is. Thus far, I have only found one video of Joe.
@@tomcarr4630 Hi Tom. How is wonderful. A great player and teacher. I have upload some videos of him here. Check it out: th-cam.com/video/cuxdqL5msvo/w-d-xo.html
Excellent video! A real eye opener for being able to utilize the laws of nature to make the sticks flow!
I’m a huge fan of Freddie! I learned many of Freddie’s techniques over the years and apply them and teach them everyday! Freddie was out there but a genius teacher and had a great understanding of ergonomic movements and relaxed motion!
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Freddie Gruber such a drumming legend! Thank you Don Lombardi for this amazing footage and great show!!! Thank you Buddy Rich!!!!!
Can you provide any footage of Freddie’s legendary drumming?
Just learned about Freddie Gruber after watching a documentary on Rush and learning that Neil Peart, after a career of being one of the world's all-time best rock drummers, decided he needed to keep learning - and he studied with Freddie. In the documentary Freddie talked about the great importance of the silences, the spaces, the movement between the 'hits' - as important or more important than the actual strikes/hits. Such a helpful way to conceptualize/approach and bring more space into our drumming!
the move in circular motions helped me stop the pain i was getting in my backbeat hand, wrist, etc.. also started slanting the snare toward the ft as i noticed leonard haze did
There is no question Freddie was an expert on spaces and demonstrates this by never ever hitting a thing. Ever.
he talked but did he play?
@@sticksbass In a world where videos have been around for over 100 years and Freddie was born in 1927 ( I think) there would or should have been at LEAST one grainy video especially in the 50’s and 60’s with this master playing with high level musicians. None…..ex….ist.
@@WD5035 i saw a vid of him sitting behind a drum set while holding sticks but he was still only talking. lol
That last clip of Buddy, AMAZING! He was a monster with finesse and groove, a class all his own.
who is Budday?? Are you stu-pay??
@@caseygenemans5970 hey, thanks pal
Gold!
Excellent
Hold the sticks so loose that they fall and that’s about right ! Chapin taught me this he was soooooo cool !
I was excited to see how well Don Lombardi can play. No wonder DW drums are so great!
Don Lombardi can play very well. Freddie could not - he was a farce.
@@unclerhombus Had you been in L.A. in the 50s and early 60s, you could have seen Freddie play, and if you studied with him, you would have seen him play and demonstrate what he was teaching. If he was a farce, do you think all those great drummers would have studied with him? Please stop making ignorant statements about things that you know nothing about.
yeah man Don has some really killin chops in that demo
@@unclerhombus This entirely shows that you don't know what you're talking about- much as I love him Don Lombardi is terrible! The antithesis of a 'natural drummer'!
Anyone heard an update when this course will be available? Was supposed to be early 2022..it is now a year later
All this amazing technique, and he never practiced! Imagine that.
He was a master of the fakeout. Just when you think after YEARS of searching videos, you think : “ Will he ACTUALLY hit the drum for at least ONE note in THIS video?”. Up comes the stick and it stays in orbit.
I am fascinated with this "inside release" concept..I know Don said they'll release something for this early 2022..anyone have any more info than that?
It’s relative to the “constant release” taught by Gary Chester!
Genius!
Wonderful discussion!
I completely relate to this, from many years of struggling behind the kit. No need for him to play
Follow that !
Freddie gave lessons to Dave Weckl and Neil Peart.
...and Steve Smith
Probably shouldn’t have, though. You cannot find a single audio or video recording of Freddie actually playing drums.
@@unclerhombus nobody forced these drummers to study with Freddie. I sat at Freddie’s feet many times while he played the drums for me. Just because you weren’t there makes it invalid? Freddie had many many students that you don’t know who will attest to his tutelage. Do you really think Don Lombardi of DW and Drum Channel would waste his time and energy putting this together if it wasn’t important to him. Come on look past your nose and get hip. Empty your cup and pay attention to what is being said here. There is no one I know who dedicated his life more to helping his students than Freddie Gruber. Freddie’s been gone 10 years now and you’re still talking about him so where there’s smoke there must be fire.
@@MichaelDubinMusic : Michael you are so right!
@@unclerhombus When Neil Peart was producing the Burning For Buddy album, he noticed Steve Smith just sounded better on the drums. More relaxed, more fluid. Neil Peart asked Steve Smith how he was able to achieve that. Steve Smith gave a two word answer: Freddie Gruber.
Sit your ass down and show some respect to those who have helped others achieve their potential on the drums.
I know Freddie Gruber was a great educator but why can I not find video of him actually playing. Was he good on an actual kit. I remember hearing a quote on your show from Buddy Rich that he could be a great player if he played more than a practice pad. Did he have stage fright or was he more comfortable with snare then kit.
@Drummer J.L.H. ; There IS an album with Freddie GRUBER and TIny Khan on it!
The title of the album is : “THE BAND THAT NEVER WAS” it was issued by a U K indie label : SPOT LIGHT RECORDS Try to find it if you can that’s all I’m gonna say about it! As far as being an opportunist isn’t everybody especially in the music Industry opportunists!?! I mean just being a master at your craft is not enough you got to get out there and self promote you got to get out there and make yourself known that’s what Freddy did he didn’t do anything that any other professional musician would’n have done he worked at It so he Would see and be seen! Everybody does this! Come on now you know it’s true!
@Drummer J.L.H. ; Yeah I like yourpsycho
Analysis of Freddy! It’s cute! so now you’re his psychiatrist hey come on man your statements are ludicrous at least and downright hilarious at best! I don’t know what kind of a vendetta you have against Freddy but it doesn’t sound like it’s very healthy! As for Freddy and tiny being on an album at the same time, what’s so unusual about that? it’s a common practice one album can have several Drummers on it on different tracks or several piano players or several bass players what the H kind of conclusion are you drawing here and yeah I know about tiny, I don’t need a lesson on tiny, I’ve read all about him over the years do you know he was Jewish?! Probably not! And no It was not relevant to the conversation, you probably didn’t even know that and if you did well congratulations! And as far as Freddie playing on an album together what the fuck’s so unusual about that?!?! ! I got to ask it again I mean you’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel here aren’t you!?
All right we got a third times a charm I deluxe right I don’t have bacon on it I don’t want the regular quarter pounder all right quarter pounder deluxe all right thank you
Sounds to me you’re like a dedicated student of Leonard feathers encyclopedia of jazz well good for you!
FYI: “THE BAND THAT NEVER WAS “ It’s a rehearsal band a pet project in Gene Roland the arranger!, And AL PORCINO was on that band and Charlie Parker was on that session
I suggest you read the book “BIRDS DIARY”
By Ken Vail On page 58 or something like that there’s a two page article on the band with Freddy quotes! Just saying if you don’t already have the book you might find it eye-opening anyway this whole discussion is about FRED GRUBER as a teacher not a player? Or so I thought!
@Drummer J.L.H. : That’s “YOUR” (truth??!!)
on GRUBER!…. NOT THE TRUTH!
I know THE truth I Studied with him for over 30 years and you evidently did not! So I guess I’m the credible one here! So yeah I’m done with this so-called “ discussion”! As well! I’m sure we both have better things to do with our time they go back-and-forth on this so bye-bye! Take care of yourself but don’t expect me to ever come around to your way of thinking because it ain’t gonna happen and I know you ain’t ever going to come around to mine so there you go! peace and love!!!!!
SHALOM Indeed!
Two Jews on one album why not?!LOL!
@Drummer J.L.H. ; Well congratulations are in order to you too! Not only are you muted
But you’re also….DELETED! Way to go GLH! (I mean JLH) B
Now go practice your double paradiddles or something! Your dismissed!!!!
10:01 a new genre is born
How come there's no video of Gruber playing anywhere?
because he couldn't actually play LOL
@@U2WB that's what I'm thinking. He talked a good game.
@@OBGynKenobi He sounded like a snake oil salesman in the one "teaching" video I saw.
@@U2WB: oh, yeah, he could play you should be as good a player is he was, but I doubt you are!
@@nealsausen4651 Well, not according to Joe Morello. He said Freddy couldn't play.
I fail to see what was so great about this guy.
Had you studied with him, you would have a different opinion.
@@farshimelt That's the thing- I don't think that this guy has studied with any of the greats and never will (not that there are many of them left!!) apart from anything, with an attitude like that, they simply wouldn't accept him as a student.
Bruce Becker!!
well, that was interesting.
Why couldnt Fred tell Buddy to fix his posture?
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When the dust settles drummers will discover Henry Adler...the one and only !
Fred studied with Henri Adler!
I talked to Henri many times and he loved Freddy. He thought he was one of the most talented students. now you must remember Freddie was like 15 or 16 when he went to Henry Adler.
@@nealsausen4651 My first teacher, Irv Kluger, studied with Adler and passed it on to me.
@@farshimelt ; yeah, Irv Kluger was a bitch. He was a great player and I’m guessing a great teacher, though I never met him. I knew a lot of people who knew him.
You mean STEVEN Adler!
The stick becomes like a seesaw! ; when the tip of the stick strikes the drum (or pad) the The resulting “KINETIC ENRGRY” Produced, propels the front of the stick up (And away from the Drum) while simultaneously the “ass end” of the stick goes down BELOW or UNDER the drum (or pad). Just relax your elbow. ( Note: that when playing on an Actual snare drum this Heel of the stick going under the drum is more “CONCEPTUAL” than Actually physical)! The Weight of the stick is now “FELT” in the heel or butt end of the stick. When the hand (And ass end or butt end of the stick) comes up the weight is now being Concentrated in the FRONT END or the tip of the stick as the tip now points down towards the drum (or pad) while the ass end of the stick points up. this “SEE-SAW” like weight shift takes place over the middle finger in the right hand and the left hand (if you’re using match grip) and if you’re using traditional grip the fulcrum or balance point is the “crotch” or the gripping point of the thumb and the base of the index finger. when the tip of the stick Points down, the front part of the stick is HEAVY! that’s where the weight or mass is concentrated and when the tip of the stick flies/ Rebounds upward away from the drum the weight or mass of the stick is in the “ASS END” of the stick or the butt end of the stick. and this constant back-and-forth between tip and butt; this constant weight shift takes place over the middle finger of the right hand and the grip with the left hand this isn’t rocket science! This is simply physics! ****( YOU WILL HAVE THE RIGHT IIDEA IF YOU THINK OF THE DRUM STICK AS A HOLLOW TUBE WITH A HEAVY, WEIGHTED BALL INSIDE AND THIS WEIGHTED BALL IS FREE TO ROLL BACK AND FORTH, FROM TIP TO BUTT, BACK TO TIP AGAIN)! Remember: “Every action results in an equal and opposite reaction”! In this case when the stick rebounds upward away from the drum or pad the weight is in the heel of the stick and the hands are in the low position, the heel of the stick is below the drum or pad. While conversely when the hand and heel of the stick comes up and the tip of the stick points down the weight is now in the front part or tip and shoulder of the stick and the process just reverses back-and-forth! Just stay out of your own way! It’s really just a matter of holding onto the stick and Letting the kinetic energy of the stick interacting with the drum do the work For you. Getting the stick up and off and away from the drum…. you hardly have to do anything you’re just controlling the dynamics, the tempo, the rhythm, etc…. No you don’t have to make The stroke ….happen…. you just LET (The) stroke (or strokes) happen! Bringing the fulcrum wrist bounce and fingers and a combination of the two as well as other parts of the “chop” into play is a matter of delving into this deeper by Studying And learning how the laws of physics come into play In regards to the art of playing drums or at least the snare drum. the other drums follow suit. And the same principles apply to the feet! FREDDIE GRUBER knew this and he knew how to relay this information to the student This is part of the true genius that was Freddie Gruber I know because I studied with him for over 30 years and I’m still studying his approach to the hands and feet TO THIS DAY!
BTW: The segment of Don‘s single strokes sound great! Love your singles Don!
💯 right on Neal! 😎🥁
@@MichaelDubinMusic :Right back at ya!
A drumstick made out of wood is a solid piece of mass. The energy created by a drum stroke or a stick bouncing off a drum does not make this mass act like a “hollow tube with a heavy, weighted ball inside”. It’s a drummer’s job to control the motion of the stick-the weight of the stick is a constant and shouldn’t have anything to do with it. You DO have to make the stroke happen. Drummers constantly have to create motion to keep the stick moving-we aren’t drumming out in space! It is true we can use rebound to make drumming easier, but rebound isn’t always available. A rim shot or the shoulder of the stick on the high-hat produce zero rebound. Lastly, you don’t need to understand the “laws of physics” to be a good drummer, you just need to create the right kind of motion with a pair of sticks.
@@howtobeatadrum : first of all I in NO way Mean to imply that the stick bouncing off of a Drum makes the mass act like a hollow tube the hollow tube analogy was just that an analogy! just A way of thinking about the weight shift taking place over the fulcrum like a seesaw; when the stick is pointed down (the tip) ; the weight is in the front of the Stick, when the tip is pointed up the weight is in the back of the stick it was just an analog y it wasn’t meant to be taken literally OK I hope I cleared that up for you! number 2: NO! of course you don’t have to know physics to play drums hey but it can’t hurt since mass and energy and motion are subject to laws of physics even though we don’t think about that when we play it doesn’t hurt to have some rudimentary understanding if you want to go that way now I’m not saying that you have to know physics I wasn’t saying that at all OK!? That’s up to each individual but that’s the way MY mind works I like to know how things work if that’s all right with you! And when I said you don’t make it happen you let it happen the connotation there and this might be my bad because maybe I wasn’t clear enough is that you just relax and control the stroke you do make it happen to a certain extent but if you try to make it happen too much you get in your own way and inhibit the flow you inhibit the Flow of energy, so yes while you do have to make it happen to a certain extent you have to let it happen to even more of an extent I hope I made myself clear to you and I apologize for any misunderstandings my previous comment may have garnered but hey who is perfect?!
PS: and I’m course I’m not referring to specialty strokes like rim shots or stick on stick or Crosstick my whole comet was addressing basic strokes and the hollow tube analogy was just an illustration not to be taken literally man I hope I cleared that up for you!
@@nealsausen4651 Hey Neal, thank you for your reply. I want to let you know I think it is cool you spend time thinking about this kind of stuff, and I appreciate you.
Hard to believe this guy gave lessons to Neil Peart.
Not at all - Fred gave lessons to drummers of all skill levels - even ones worse than Peart ;-)
@@dankenton 🤣
And ruined Peart.
@@7319Drummer 🤣🤣
@@7319Drummer agreed.
I just want to see one video of Freddie with a band. It’s a unicorn to find.
@@CASolorzanoSpeakeandAuthor: you don’t have to see any videos of Freddy playing. He made his mark as a teacher not necessarily a performer, realize the difference between the two.
@@CASolorzanoSpeakeandAuthor : OH FRED had a legacy of playing before he started teaching come on stop with that bullshit don’t be ignorant. He played with buddy DeFranco he played with Charlie Parker. He played with a lot of people. Yes, he got experience playing and hey newsflash for you you are.NOT DAVE WECKL, STEVE SMITH, NEIL PEART, AND THEY ALL CLAIM THAT FREDDIE HELPED HER PLAYING IMMEASURABLY. YOUR OPINION DOESN’T COUNT MY OPINION DOES NOT COUNT IT’S WHAT THOSE GUYS FEEL ABOUT FREDDY’S TEACHING AND I WASN’T EVEN THINKING ABOUT HIS PLAYING LEGACY WHEN I TOOK MY FIRST LESSON WITH HIM ON APRIL 2, 1969. ALL I KNOW IS WHAT I SAW, IN OTHER STUDENTS WHO WERE STUDYING WITH HIM AND THEY WERE MOTHERFUCKERS ABSOLUTELY MOTHERFUCKERS SO WHEN I GOT A CHANCE TO STUDY WITH HIM, I WENT FOR IT AND HE HELPED ME MEASURABLY NOBODY BUT YOU GIVES A FUCK WHAT YOU THINK OR SAY ONCE YOU LEARN THAT, I THINK YOU’LL BE A HAPPIER PERSON, NO ONE GIVES A FUCK WHAT I THINK OR SAY, AND I REALIZE THAT YEARS AGO AND I’M A LOT BETTER OFF FOR IT SOwhatever
@@CASolorzanoSpeakeandAuthor : so don’t take any lesson from him who needs ya?!
You couldn’t study with him anyway, as he passed away in 2011, you blew it man you missed your chance!
@@CASolorzanoSpeakeandAuthor : who gives a shit I certainly don’t. I wrote a book of Phil Collins transcriptions for a major label Warner Brothers, so I know about that bullshit it doesn’t mean anything and you don’t mean anything to me I don’t even know why I am bothering you I really don’t care what you’ve done what you’re doing or what you will do it’s none of my business so take your credentials and stick them with the sun don’t shine because I’m not impressed. I’ve got my challenges to deal with and I just have no patience withyoung people like you
@@CASolorzanoSpeakeandAuthor : hey, I lived and taught DRUMS in Japan for 10 years and I was featured in the Drum magazine ( “DRUMS AND PERCUSSION MAGAZINE (RITTOR MUSIC) Several times taught for Yamaha was an endorser there in Japan for 10 years! So who gives a shit it doesn’t mean anything and neither does your so-called accomplishments mean anything not to me anyway thank you!!!😚
And I’m sorry I can’t be impressed by all the gigs you’ve done….I’ve been playing professionally since 1972 and even earlier so your so-called playing all those gigs means nothing to me. I played 10,000s of gigs since 72 nothing but memories that’s it don’t be so full of yourself man you ain’t that hot I’m sure otherwise I would’ve heard of you.!
Freddie sounds almost esoteric just for the sake of it and almost gets into a place where it sounds like utter hocus pocus bullshit, until you hear the before and after in the drummers he's taught.
Neil Peart was a better drummer before Gruber got to him.
@@unclerhombus ;That’s a matter of opinion that’s a matter of conjecture on your part! I hung out with NEIL At Fred’s house the last few months of Fred’s life and he unequivocally told me to my face that he thought his playing had improved by leaps and bounds since getting with FRED GRUBER!just saying!
Now aesthetically you may have preferred Neil Peart’s playing BEFORE He got with GRUBER, and that’s fine but listen his hands were getting messed up from playing in massive stadiums, auditoriums, arenas, and other huge venues For all those years and when you’re competing against a massive wall of amplifiers like that you got to be taking a toll on your hands! That’s just a fact hands-down! Pun intended! FRED GRUBER did help NEIL Save his chops to the extent that he would not have been able to had he (Neil) not gone to GRUBER sorry that’s just the way it is and that’s not coming for me originally this was told to me by Peart him self
@@unclerhombus disagree...freddy completely changed Neil's approach. For one thing he turned his grip over to traditional. And the flow to his playing became a lot more airy and breathable. Freddy did wonders for him. It's not even debatable frankly.
@@JA-io8nx he switched to traditional grip for only one album - Test For Echo. After that recording, he switched back to matched grip.
@@unclerhombus for sure, but we're talking about the impact Freddy had on him. It was monumental.
I don’t think either of theses guys could play ,,,,they analyze buddy to death ,,,,Buddy was genius
Don’t worry your little tail feathers any FRED GRUBER could play you better believe he could I know firsthand he could I had studied with him for over 25 years!
So what if they couldn't?
@@calmac9720 : oh, but they can!
Freddie would literally do anything except actually play the drums.
Seriously! This drum guru that we never see play even a practice pad.
Years and years I have been looking for a shred of Freddie ACTUALLY playing. I’d be happy with just some technique on a pad! Nothing! I think this guy is a hoax. You learn from a teacher largely from demonstration….except this guy. WTF? There are guys older than him with recordings or videos. That argument of a guy this famous playing before recorded videos were invented while guys older than him are on video….is just nonsense.
@@WD5035 : god, are you way off base!
@@CarlosSolorzanoDesertDrummer : don’t be an idiot!!
@@WD5035 : if you don’t know what you’re talking about best to just to shut up and not say anything at all, cause your ignorance is showing at that point!
Still waiting for evidence that Freddie can play. To this day I'm still not understanding what he added to Peart's playing. Neil had a great technique that didn't require so much bashing before Freddie was around. I can understand why Neil felt the need to retire if playing that hard was required. Not hating on anyone - just not understanding
In all fairness to Freddie, his teaching was cerebral, intellectual, analytical. Not for beginners... Did Einstein fly into Space? I mean Einstein provided KNOWLEDGE and theory that brought MAN to outer space. He neednt have been an astronaut or even a pilot!! See what Im sayin!!
@@arthorvonblomberg1624 "not for beginners" 😂😂 at my age I almost wish I could say I was a beginner as I'm getting old as fuck. But on a more serious note - much like any dedicated musician I've explored various techniques and teachings over the years. I love the fact that Neil felt the need to try to better himself after accomplishing so much. It just seemed that he started playing much harder in the later years and it had to be exhausting for him. Originally he had more of a Keith Moon lighter style that would have, IMO, been much easier to sustain as an older man. I also grew up in the 80s when engineers wanted everyone to hit as hard as possible because of reverb gates. Being someone who also played guitar I found it incredibly hard to play with a drummer hitting that hard because it's so fucking LOUD. It's just my two cents - you know what they say about opinions. Probably doesn't matter as much these days with in-ear monitors
th-cam.com/video/T_kuYGZQQrE/w-d-xo.html at 0:56 the "evidence" you was looking for. Good luck now!
@@gsoltis29 As brilliant and creative as Neil was, I think there was some kind of issue with his drum stroke, and this is why he sought out Freddie. To me, Neil never seemed completely relaxed when he was playing. He had to “muscle” his way around the drums, instead of letting the motion of his stroke do the work for him. I think this gets harder to do the older you get, and it also makes drumming less enjoyable. I think he knew there was something missing in his playing, but he never quite figured out what it was. But his legacy as one of the greatest rock drummers ever remains intact, so in the end it doesn’t matter. He’s been gone for two years and he is still getting more press than most of if not all of his contemporaries…crazy
@@howtobeatadrum I always thought that exit stage left video was the most comfortable he ever looked. He seemed to have a flow there. As far as drum stoke I have to agree. Until I found a "thumbs up" position for my hands I never felt right. It's amazing how much more power you can get thumbs up. I noticed Bonham doing it in the song remains the same. It also saves the wrist which helps as you age
I have never heard him demonstrate anything.
That's because you didn't study with him.
@@farshimelt exactly!😊
Yes, the drummers set up their drumset wrong, they held the sticks wrong and their movements were not economical. All these things the stars have learned and they have noticed that their playing is much easier. One of the first was Steve Smith and the others noticed that.
No, you can't find any video of Freddie Gruber playing drums... but where are all the videos of your school teachers working and applying what they teach in "real life"???? You can be a good teacher of theory without having practical skills.
I don't understand this guy he has never been seen playing the drums. Knows the method of the way a stick hits the drum.
Ya .Dr. Gruber , was He Buddy's .. Forget the rest its all B.S.
Agreed. There are literally zero recordings or videos of him actually playing drums. I honestly don’t think he could play.
@@unclerhombus : Oh yes! GRUBER could play all right! I can attest to that, I wouldn’t lie to you!
No!…… no I wouldn’t!
@@unclerhombus Gruber was a talker, not a doer
Snake oil salesman. Joe Morello flat out said that he wasn't a drummer.
You actually don’t have to study drumming to this excruciating point of minutiae to be good at it. If you can learn a solid fundamental single stroke, the rest of your technique can develop naturally from that.
How to beat: OK that’s your opinion!…, But NOT everybody thinks like you! I like to analyze things I like to get inside of things and tinker with them and analyze it from the inside out ( so sue me already) from the bottom up! That’s just me it’s not meant to be excruciating at all!…. it’s not excruciating at all if that’s your bent mentally! Knowing how things work what makes them tick newsflash there’s nothing wrong with that if that’s not your thing fine no problem that’s your right! you DO have a right to your opinion but don’t diminish other people for How they approach things that’s not cool!
@@nealsausen4651 : Analysis is all well and good; the bottom line is this: are we giving the music what it needs?
@@Riddim4 : well if analyzing things leads to a better technique and a better technique leads to more freedom on your instrument no matter what that may be and more freedom on your instrument allows you to tend to the needs of the music more effectively and approach the music in a more musical manner, well then yeah I guess so what’s wrong with analytics as long as you don’t get hung up in the analytics it’s a means to an end it’s not the end that’s a mistake a lot of people make chops or technique or mechanical skills becomes the end and that’s not Necessarily what you want do you want the technique to complement the music you don’t want the music to complement the technique! makes sense?
@@nealsausen4651 I do know that virtuoso drummers such as Buddy rely on the feel of their drum stroke when creating these incredibly complex patterns. Really, the jazz feel he creates in this video can be analyzed, but it can’t be taught. It’s something you have to experience for yourself. But that is hard to do unless you have this kind of experience on the drums-starting at two years of age and playing shows for a solid 50+ years. This is why you don’t see any drummers around that play like Buddy
@@howtobeatadrum ; You are exactly correct! Excellently stated! Buddy was a once in a lifetime phenomenon and you are totally correct!
It is funny how the teaching is with the hands but not the bottom. They could not play motown for example with just all these rolls, you needed strong bottom.
Buddy Rich with respect was only a pure jazz drummer, big band.
I could never see Buddy playing Squib Cakes or Oakland Stoke for example.
@Drummer J.L.H. Again, a series of rolls. Garibaldi funks!
@Drummer J.L.H. Buddy is out dated. He can be the grandfather but he is outdated.
@Drummer J.L.H. th-cam.com/video/GkqXd2kQPjs/w-d-xo.html
Buddy is old school. Big band, series of rolls and cymbals flairs. Funk drumming has more feel and punch. Funk, Latin, etc was not in Buddy's era. If is was, he never played it nor grew up in that type of feel.
I'd rather play like Garibaldi, Gadd, Chambers, Hakim, Smith, Vinnie.
@Drummer J.L.H. I have seen Buddy for years. Question back at you, have you picked up sticks before.
Buddy only grew up playing big band jazz. Everyone is not influenced by Buddy rich. He is like Babe Ruth. Was awesome in his time.
Buddy had great feet, and was certainly around to hear T.O.P. - I just don't think he cared for that kind of music otherwise I think he could have played it- but Buddy playing that style without loving it would have probably sounded terrible! Incidentally Gruber did teach the feet- Steve Smith demonstrates this at some length in one of hid dvd's
In a way this is kinda rediculos. 😂
I don’t get the worship of this guy.
And you most likely never will!
Humanoids that were duped.
I don’t either because he “almost” hits drums and pads….ALMOST. Folks just believe this guy was for real because he was endorsed by drummers that people admire. I think he may have been allergic to actually playing.
Mmmmmmm I just don't know.... I may be wrong (and I'm very sorry also) but if you ask me the guy was a total bluff and I do not care how many great drummers swear by him. I'll change my mind when showed something decent played by the guy, no problem.
Did you ever see or hear George L. Stone play?
I own Stick Control and in my opinion that's good stuff, if you asked me.@@farshimelt
This guy is a kook. I teach drums and if i layed this bullshit on my students they would bail halfway thru lesson one.
If you don't get it- well that's your problem. And don't flatter yourself that any good teacher would have you or your students to study under them.
@calmac9720 what's there to "get?" Put your money where your mouth is and get behind a REAL kit and play instead of "mystifying" us with a buncha balloon juice.
@@tomkelsey2303 ha ha fair enough!
Excuse me, what's up with Freddie's hand??
Freedie is a joke
So is your comment!
So is your playing.
@@myballsr.hangin8155 :👍🏻👌
Most successful drummers didn't need that 😂
I'm sorry but Gruber literally sounds senile. Peart got taken for a ride lmao
Does this guy ever PLAY THE DRUMS? We always hear him talk. Where is his performance legacy? Can we even see him play on a practice pad? Is this why Joe Morello said he wasn't really a drummer? At least we can see Joe play and teach. All this snake oil salesman did was talk and it seems like he duped a bunch of guys.
Neil peart was better before him I bet he can't play a rush tune 😂
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