At this point in the timeline, SG1 had just recently recovered a ZPM in the season 8 episodes Moebius. The timing was perfect, it enabled the SGC to send backup through the gate and then deliver it (ZPM) via a ship in 3 days. It was nice how the two shows were in sync.
I never like the ZPM's. To me it was lazy writing. What they should have done to limit the ZPMs use is make getting the power out of it difficult. If they did it wrong it could damage the ZPM. The ZPM then could explode (bigger than a large Nuke). This is why they are kept in the Pegasus galaxy since that is where the only tech is to asses it is. There is also a limited supply of them.
What I've been considering is that the reason why the Ancients were so unconcerned about limited availability of ZPMs when designing their high-end equipment was because they never actually phased out the Destiny's solar scoop system as their go-to power source for starships. ZPMs are more like real-life RTGs, to be used in case whatever needed power wasn't capable of visiting a star for a quick fuel run, such as ground installations and Atlantis-type city ships (which are actually quite fragile even in canon once their shields are down).
They got stuck in the past and their versions from other reality had to fix it for them, which means that the ZPM was recovered in the third reality. So the expedition from the original was destroyed by Wraiths and the other one never existed.
@@amitakartok I'm assuming the Ancients had some kind of factory somewhere that let them build as many ZPMs as they wanted, but that factory either wasn't on Atlantis too begin with or was disassembled and taken with them once they left Atlantis for Earth. ZPMs were only limited because by the time the SGC made it to Atlantis no one but the Pegasus replicators had made any in thousands of years.
This was imo the strongest moment in season 1. Imagine if the SGC hadn't been able to get the ZPM in time and the Atlantis expedition was forced to abandon and scuttle Atlantis, fleeing into the depths of the Pegasus galaxy possibly to never be heard from again. This could have very well been the very last thing anyone on earth ever heard from the Pegasus expedition. Their final goodbye
they thought there all personal that went to Pegasus (Atlantis) was lost after not hearing them for a long while then got a message from them. the moment there know there alive and need help.
I always found it odd that they never asked the Asgard to check up on Atlantis. Their hyperdrive tech is extremely fast so it wouldn't have even taken long. One of their ships might have even been able to fight off the hive ships in combination with the other defenses such as the satellite weapon and puddle jumpers/atlantis drones. It wouldn't be like the Daedalus which was completely useless once its beaming technology was blocked.
+TKGriffiths More annoying was that the Asgard didn't bother giving their hyperdrive tech to the SGC at all. Hermiod lived on the Daedelus so much you think he'd tell the High Command "Dude, we HAVE to give them our intergalactic drives. The commute is KILLING me."
TKGriffiths - One of their ships might have even been able to fight off the hive ships in combination with the other defenses such as the satellite weapon and puddle jumpers/atlantis drones. It wouldn't be like the Daedalus which was completely useless once its beaming technology was blocked. - According to the Story line , The original Atlanteans could win every single engagement even though they were outnumbered by the Wraiths . They closed up shop in the Pegasus Galaxy and returned to Earth because they couldn't win the overall war , meaning no matter how many Wraith vessels or Wraiths themselves were destroyed , the Wraiths kept coming . The only way to win was to wipe the Wraiths out of existence , if you defend against an attack by any Nation and successfully defeat your attackers, they will go away and not return . Supposedly this wasn't the case with the Wraiths , no matter how many ships you destroyed more would arrive and attack .Your suggestion is why couldn't the Asgards send a ship to check up on the Atlantis Expedition . The 1 Asgard Ship Would be forever engaged in battle with the Wraiths protecting the Atlantis Team unless the Wraiths actually defeated the 1 Asgard vessel .Remember there is an episode where Dr.'s McKay and Jackson actually met Pegasus Galaxy Asgards , The Wraiths drove them into an irradiated planetary system where they were forced to survive for the previous 10,000 years , they only came out of hiding because of the activation of the Otero device .
Ye but those Pegasus Asgard were cut off from the rest of the Asgard for thousands of years, so they didn't have the technological advances like the O'Neill class ships or the new beam weaponry. Their outdated ships lost against traveller ships, even. The modern Asgard ships would do even better against the wraith ships than the Daedalus and Apollo did (after they got beam weapons). The reason the wraith were able to keep coming indefinitely against the ancients were their ZPM-powered cloning facilities, which weren't active anymore during the time of the atlantis expedition. The one facility that did start up again was destroyed soon after.
Imagine if they'd just used the device O'neil built to dial the Asgard to call Atlantis. After all, it worked in two separate universes and only required a zat blast to recharge.
I don't remember a zat blast being involved in the recharging, pretty sure it happened off-screen. You might be thinking of when O'Neill increased the efficiency of a cargo ship's hyperdrive on their way to Praclarush Taonas. Also, it's a miracle that they managed to get the thing working again at all (it took two Carters), and it can be assumed that it was destroyed beyond repair by the second use.
@@IBeforeAExceptAfterK that thing was built on Earth, i see no reason (except plot reasons) to not do some reverse-engineering and build more of the devices. With some more tries and experiments it could be just the ideal device for travels to another galaxies, or even boosting ship´s shields for a short time. Also, if i remember correctly, there was an episode, in which one of the Ancients hidden in Carter´s house built his own little Stargate by using only home electronics, which held only for few seconds, but that also meant building such advanced technology wasn´t impossible with Earth´s tech. Even in case circuitry will short, that doesn´t mean entire structure will fall apart, so it should be repairable. Which means - in emergency situations, gates like that one could be used for evacuation around the world, just not simultaneously. There are tons of things full of badly described plotholes created just for exact plot in exact episode (mostly the same as it was with TV series Eureka and/or Warehouse 13, which was held in the same universum). These entire universes only work if you don´t think about it.
@@Morpheus-pt3wq in the case of the minigate, I distinctly remember the ancient saying something on the lines of "they won't be able to rebuild it because x reason". I think he always meant for the components inside it to melt so much that they would be indistinguishiable from one another, but that's mostly headcannon. In regards to "let's build the mini zpm o'niell made" I actually have no counter. I don't remember that well that episode. Internal continuity can indeed be a real bitch to deal with, I know it from personal experience, and usually issues with it would be resolved in subsequent redrafts of the story. The fact that in a 10 year long tv show that was mostly written as it went along there are so little continuity breaking moments is actually quite remarkable, and a testament to the skills of the writers involved with the show
The device was left behind in the alternate reality, and they had no schematics, O'neill built it using the knowledge of the Ancients...So they were kinda stuck.
@@Morpheus-pt3wq Eureka and WH13 were to fantastical for me. I like science rooted in fact. SG-1 did this and built on top of that, it makes for a more plausible reality.
After watching season 4 of Atlantis, I wish they’ve gone back to season 1 roots. Having lost contact with earth that would’ve made a better season. But only got 2 episodes.
If memory serves me correctly, the Atlantis team found an extremely drained one that only had enough power for a couple seconds at most. That's why the personnel all over Atlantis composed letters and mission debriefings to send back to Earth. It was basically a recap episode.
@@Marcus_Postma They never got that one, locals stole it and hid it elsewhere before they could even get back to the Gate. They had to use standard Naqhuda Generators. Couldn't last long enough to send a person, but they could send a data transmission.
I think it was a planet of energy based lifeforms. They captured the team because the race would start to die if they tried to send people. So they cut a deal, let us send a momentary message and we will never return. The aliens agreed
@@Privatepain1234 That was a much earlier episode. Here they used their Naqhuda Generators. While they didn't have enough power to send a person, they did have enough to send a message.
Time stamp 0:09 where you see the 7 chevrons activated and in red....there's a problem with that. 8 chevrons should be activated there, not 7. Atlantis, just like Hala (first homeworld of the Asgard) is outside of our galaxy, meaning it requires an 8th chevron to reach.
Yes and no... because is required the 8 chevrons to be able to transport solid material, like humans but sending information that is basically just energy isn't necessary but I see your point, as they're getting something outside the grid: just like when telephone lines where "pitched" by spies decades ago. Also as was shown when the Asurans attack Atlantis with their Satellite, while there's enough energy from the In-put Gate, the Out-put Gate will remains active indefinitely.
Freevee is completly fucking up the timecodes with their misplaced ads, ending Atlantis episodes too early, so I came here to watch the last 30 seconds of that episode.
Nah, it was an inbound wormhole, so I'm pretty sure the chevrons are irrelevant. Offworld activations don't spin up the receiving gate, the wormhole just gets connected almost immediately. As for why the computer shows 7 chevrons, I assume they still have their computer system set to the default 7 chevrons since they can't dial out to 8 chevron addresses, which is why it looks like that, but I wouldn't call that a mistake.
@@Hans-gb4mv it was actually stated in one episode that the last 10 or so addresses are saved in the memory buffers of the dhd's. While the gate on Earth doesn't have a dhd, it wouldn't be hard to program the computers to do the same, so there is a short call history. That being said, I'm pretty sure they never mentioned it again, continuity can be a bit difficult over the years.
Pegasus the winged horse mobile red winged horse Navy Seals red wing horse operation Redwing starting to sound familiar yet but there's no codes in TV shows
This one 32 second clip is making me want to go back and rewatch all 17 seasons, because it's been a year since I last did that 😅
Me too mate. Me too
Stargate... the best Sci-fi series ever
I read 17, and I'm thinking "surely he means 15. Oh. He's including *those*"
@@rhas356 universe is amazing! Dont slam!!
Yea same here watched one clip and now i get one after the other recommended xD
At this point in the timeline, SG1 had just recently recovered a ZPM in the season 8 episodes Moebius. The timing was perfect, it enabled the SGC to send backup through the gate and then deliver it (ZPM) via a ship in 3 days. It was nice how the two shows were in sync.
Only at the cost of General O'Neill now having fish in his lake.
I never like the ZPM's. To me it was lazy writing. What they should have done to limit the ZPMs use is make getting the power out of it difficult. If they did it wrong it could damage the ZPM. The ZPM then could explode (bigger than a large Nuke). This is why they are kept in the Pegasus galaxy since that is where the only tech is to asses it is. There is also a limited supply of them.
What I've been considering is that the reason why the Ancients were so unconcerned about limited availability of ZPMs when designing their high-end equipment was because they never actually phased out the Destiny's solar scoop system as their go-to power source for starships. ZPMs are more like real-life RTGs, to be used in case whatever needed power wasn't capable of visiting a star for a quick fuel run, such as ground installations and Atlantis-type city ships (which are actually quite fragile even in canon once their shields are down).
They got stuck in the past and their versions from other reality had to fix it for them, which means that the ZPM was recovered in the third reality. So the expedition from the original was destroyed by Wraiths and the other one never existed.
@@amitakartok I'm assuming the Ancients had some kind of factory somewhere that let them build as many ZPMs as they wanted, but that factory either wasn't on Atlantis too begin with or was disassembled and taken with them once they left Atlantis for Earth. ZPMs were only limited because by the time the SGC made it to Atlantis no one but the Pegasus replicators had made any in thousands of years.
I loved this scene so much as a kid. It was like getting a brief glimpse of home, after being away on Atlantis so long.
This was imo the strongest moment in season 1. Imagine if the SGC hadn't been able to get the ZPM in time and the Atlantis expedition was forced to abandon and scuttle Atlantis, fleeing into the depths of the Pegasus galaxy possibly to never be heard from again. This could have very well been the very last thing anyone on earth ever heard from the Pegasus expedition. Their final goodbye
This moment is so powerful. Makes me tear up every time.
"establish a wormhole for 1.3 seconds." I'm no expert, but that was more than 1.3 seconds.
he did say it was not a hard number.
Time is relative. Carter would explain to you better.
It takes time to form, the 1.3 was how long it was stable and open
Are you experiencing time dilation, dizzyness or the urge to dring chocolate milk?
I'm more impressed they managed to compress all that video from the key personnels into a 1 second burst of data.
they thought there all personal that went to Pegasus (Atlantis) was lost after not hearing them for a long while then got a message from them. the moment there know there alive and need help.
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@@owenphillips5600 I wam more of a sergeant Syler fan, but okay.
One of my favorite shows, *EVER!!*
I already wanna watch it again and I just finished my re-run only a month ago.
I'm so glad the wormhole scenes got less screamy over the years
Remember the SG-1 episode where they tried to go to Atlantis at a much earlier point using Promethius? Imagine if that had actually suceeded
Good old Valla ;)
I always found it odd that they never asked the Asgard to check up on Atlantis. Their hyperdrive tech is extremely fast so it wouldn't have even taken long.
One of their ships might have even been able to fight off the hive ships in combination with the other defenses such as the satellite weapon and puddle jumpers/atlantis drones. It wouldn't be like the Daedalus which was completely useless once its beaming technology was blocked.
+TKGriffiths More annoying was that the Asgard didn't bother giving their hyperdrive tech to the SGC at all. Hermiod lived on the Daedelus so much you think he'd tell the High Command "Dude, we HAVE to give them our intergalactic drives. The commute is KILLING me."
TKGriffiths - One of their ships might have even been able to fight off the hive ships in combination with the other defenses such as the satellite weapon and puddle jumpers/atlantis drones. It wouldn't be like the Daedalus which was completely useless once its beaming technology was blocked. - According to the Story line , The original Atlanteans could win every single engagement even though they were outnumbered by the Wraiths . They closed up shop in the Pegasus Galaxy and returned to Earth because they couldn't win the overall war , meaning no matter how many Wraith vessels or Wraiths themselves were destroyed , the Wraiths kept coming . The only way to win was to wipe the Wraiths out of existence , if you defend against an attack by any Nation and successfully defeat your attackers, they will go away and not return . Supposedly this wasn't the case with the Wraiths , no matter how many ships you destroyed more would arrive and attack .Your suggestion is why couldn't the Asgards send a ship to check up on the Atlantis Expedition . The 1 Asgard Ship Would be forever engaged in battle with the Wraiths protecting the Atlantis Team unless the Wraiths actually defeated the 1 Asgard vessel .Remember there is an episode where Dr.'s McKay and Jackson actually met Pegasus Galaxy Asgards , The Wraiths drove them into an irradiated planetary system where they were forced to survive for the previous 10,000 years , they only came out of hiding because of the activation of the Otero device .
Ye but those Pegasus Asgard were cut off from the rest of the Asgard for thousands of years, so they didn't have the technological advances like the O'Neill class ships or the new beam weaponry. Their outdated ships lost against traveller ships, even. The modern Asgard ships would do even better against the wraith ships than the Daedalus and Apollo did (after they got beam weapons).
The reason the wraith were able to keep coming indefinitely against the ancients were their ZPM-powered cloning facilities, which weren't active anymore during the time of the atlantis expedition. The one facility that did start up again was destroyed soon after.
Imagine if they'd just used the device O'neil built to dial the Asgard to call Atlantis. After all, it worked in two separate universes and only required a zat blast to recharge.
I don't remember a zat blast being involved in the recharging, pretty sure it happened off-screen. You might be thinking of when O'Neill increased the efficiency of a cargo ship's hyperdrive on their way to Praclarush Taonas. Also, it's a miracle that they managed to get the thing working again at all (it took two Carters), and it can be assumed that it was destroyed beyond repair by the second use.
@@IBeforeAExceptAfterK that thing was built on Earth, i see no reason (except plot reasons) to not do some reverse-engineering and build more of the devices. With some more tries and experiments it could be just the ideal device for travels to another galaxies, or even boosting ship´s shields for a short time. Also, if i remember correctly, there was an episode, in which one of the Ancients hidden in Carter´s house built his own little Stargate by using only home electronics, which held only for few seconds, but that also meant building such advanced technology wasn´t impossible with Earth´s tech. Even in case circuitry will short, that doesn´t mean entire structure will fall apart, so it should be repairable. Which means - in emergency situations, gates like that one could be used for evacuation around the world, just not simultaneously.
There are tons of things full of badly described plotholes created just for exact plot in exact episode (mostly the same as it was with TV series Eureka and/or Warehouse 13, which was held in the same universum). These entire universes only work if you don´t think about it.
@@Morpheus-pt3wq in the case of the minigate, I distinctly remember the ancient saying something on the lines of "they won't be able to rebuild it because x reason". I think he always meant for the components inside it to melt so much that they would be indistinguishiable from one another, but that's mostly headcannon. In regards to "let's build the mini zpm o'niell made" I actually have no counter. I don't remember that well that episode.
Internal continuity can indeed be a real bitch to deal with, I know it from personal experience, and usually issues with it would be resolved in subsequent redrafts of the story. The fact that in a 10 year long tv show that was mostly written as it went along there are so little continuity breaking moments is actually quite remarkable, and a testament to the skills of the writers involved with the show
The device was left behind in the alternate reality, and they had no schematics, O'neill built it using the knowledge of the Ancients...So they were kinda stuck.
@@Morpheus-pt3wq Eureka and WH13 were to fantastical for me. I like science rooted in fact. SG-1 did this and built on top of that, it makes for a more plausible reality.
Probably the most sweet episode from SG:A
Atlantis was so damn good!!! It should have gone on for far more years.
I still LOVE all of the Atlantis theme. The soft chiming outro is just DAYMN good.
Ok, I’m gonna dust of my DVD boxes and rewatch the whole thing. Except I don’t have season 5 😢
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"Atlantis telephone home."
Gives me shivers all the time
After watching season 4 of Atlantis, I wish they’ve gone back to season 1 roots. Having lost contact with earth that would’ve made a better season. But only got 2 episodes.
best scene thanks
Atlantis-best SG series
What is that beautiful music in the end?
Its Stargate Atlantis Op
It's called "Messages", you can find it on TH-cam pretty easily. It mainly appears in the first season.
I dont quite remember how they managed to activate the portal? Did they have a ZPM?
If memory serves me correctly, the Atlantis team found an extremely drained one that only had enough power for a couple seconds at most. That's why the personnel all over Atlantis composed letters and mission debriefings to send back to Earth. It was basically a recap episode.
@@Marcus_Postma They never got that one, locals stole it and hid it elsewhere before they could even get back to the Gate. They had to use standard Naqhuda Generators. Couldn't last long enough to send a person, but they could send a data transmission.
I think it was a planet of energy based lifeforms. They captured the team because the race would start to die if they tried to send people. So they cut a deal, let us send a momentary message and we will never return. The aliens agreed
They only had the power to open it for a few seconds. Nowhere near long enough to send a person, but they could send a message.
@@Privatepain1234 That was a much earlier episode. Here they used their Naqhuda Generators. While they didn't have enough power to send a person, they did have enough to send a message.
That sure seemed like more than 1.3 seconds 😂
Time stamp 0:09 where you see the 7 chevrons activated and in red....there's a problem with that. 8 chevrons should be activated there, not 7. Atlantis, just like Hala (first homeworld of the Asgard) is outside of our galaxy, meaning it requires an 8th chevron to reach.
Yes and no... because is required the 8 chevrons to be able to transport solid material, like humans but sending information that is basically just energy isn't necessary but I see your point, as they're getting something outside the grid: just like when telephone lines where "pitched" by spies decades ago.
Also as was shown when the Asurans attack Atlantis with their Satellite, while there's enough energy from the In-put Gate, the Out-put Gate will remains active indefinitely.
Would have been longer if SG1 didn’t get cancelled.
Only enough power to send a compact message before shutting down. Wraiths being the issue if I remember.
This was the most amazing tv shows i have seen in my life. need much more!
Freevee is completly fucking up the timecodes with their misplaced ads, ending Atlantis episodes too early, so I came here to watch the last 30 seconds of that episode.
Has anyone noticed at 9 seconds in on the computer screen. Only 7 chevrons instead of the 8 needed to dial Atlantes😁
Nah, it was an inbound wormhole, so I'm pretty sure the chevrons are irrelevant. Offworld activations don't spin up the receiving gate, the wormhole just gets connected almost immediately. As for why the computer shows 7 chevrons, I assume they still have their computer system set to the default 7 chevrons since they can't dial out to 8 chevron addresses, which is why it looks like that, but I wouldn't call that a mistake.
Gates don't have caller ID nor do they have a call history, They make bad telephones,
Stargate speed dailing
@@Hans-gb4mv it was actually stated in one episode that the last 10 or so addresses are saved in the memory buffers of the dhd's. While the gate on Earth doesn't have a dhd, it wouldn't be hard to program the computers to do the same, so there is a short call history. That being said, I'm pretty sure they never mentioned it again, continuity can be a bit difficult over the years.
@@Marcus_Postma Those memory buffers in the DHD's only work for outbound dialing not incoming wormholes.
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The title tho lol. Ugh
By this time, SG-1 was crap.