Krishnamurti hated the teacher and student relationship because it inspires view of inferiority and superiority. He spoke as a friend, and as an equal. It’s probably true that his listeners did not see it that way though. But imo It’s not just that “he doesn’t want to be responsible for his students”. He isn’t responsible for his students. They are free human beings. He didn’t view them as any different from what he was. Whilst Buddhism tends to push that Bodhisatvas and teachers and somehow “higher” than students and that students should become like them. I understand you spend a lot of time defending that in this video but this is a view I am completely against, and I think it’s one of the reasons why people don’t understand the teachings. Krishnamurti always said something like “I am not important, only listen to what I have to say”.
I totally agree with your description of Km. He was a very kind man. He did, on some occasions, get somewhat frustrated with his dialogees; but that was, I think, because they were smoking too much hashish and kept asking the same stupid questions . He just wanted to have a dialog. Some parts I saw make me believe that he was actually using the audience as a means to gather his own thoughts and how to express these ideas; then when he "found" the answer he was looking for, he would say "the answer" out loud, end it and get up.
Yet there still has to be a teacher out there to teach... not everyone learns just by listening to a friendly conversation... you do you and let the teachers teach 😊
@@ultimatemeaning That is the main criticism that UG Krishnamurti brought up. J. Krishnamurti never freed himself from the world teacher business, and he didn't ''get it'' by gradually listening to lectures.
Amongst the Christians in my country, here in Taiwan, there are HUGE crooks who have built their churches on the western, Baptist, evangelical model: persecute LGBTQ people, call all Taoist, Buddhist, and Confucianism traditions “demonic”, demand money from followers, build huge and expensive churches, and try your damndest to get into politics to sway the legislature in your direction. Basically the same model being used in America. They are succeeding quite well in Korea. And now it is happening here. Breaks my heart to see our culture being dissolved by these western “gurus”.
They christen missionaries and western baptists evlingical zealots do same thing in India and with India's native culture and religions and spirituality they call them as satanic,demonic,pagan,infidels,heathen and devil ans what not. This is the biggest problem of abhramism and abhramic religions. My way or highway. That is what makes them e"vil. One things I h"a"te more then abhramism and abhramic religions is business and politics of abhramism and abhramic religions.
@@ultimatemeaningThey christen missionaries and western baptists evlingical zealots do same thing in India and with India's native culture and religions and spirituality they call them as satanic,demonic,pagan,infidels,heathen and devil ans what not. This is the biggest problem of abhramism and abhramic religions. My way or highway. That is what makes them e"vil. One things I h"a"te more then abhramism and abhramic religions is business and politics of abhramism and abhramic religions.
There is a great film/ documentary about this topic that is also funny. Kumaré - False guru. It's about an American Indian guy who, as an experiment, starts to act as if he is a guru to see if people would follow him. He ends up trying to teach them to not follow others and the ending is quite wholesome. Kumaré - False guru -> seriously go watch it. Very interesting to see how humans behaviour can be.
one of my rapists i got 7 of them really jea really west he, holland. disgusting man hero. watched netflix. i COULD notice his actions, he looked at westerns when he was a boy as a little narcicistic dichehead in the making. he used gossip to make me look like a idiot. (lucky for me is my body not my life so ok, rape me but i will get back to jou, be sure! (i was drgeerd, so jea, never notice the action in real time) but well not everybody, special the people who work in the green, that are people i work with dont watch that nonsens. i dont a have a tv. got rid of it when i was 18. my kids did watch tv, i with them, its amusement. . . but most of the time we did wildcamping or just sing, cook, licht fires. practice shiatsu be creative and the boys did videogames real horrible killing but well boys goes there when they are a teener. tv is a curs.e i have some films i have jou tube. im good. i have the chainsawmonk niow, ha ha love him, i think he is very amusant, and so the reaction-modus.
Hello friend, thank you for your contribution to the conversation. What matters is not so much how we self identify as a Buddhist or Christian et cetera. What matters is that we have the basic foundation of integrity and altruism❤❤❤
Osho became a part of my life early in my budding interest of eastern philosophy/religion. His words from the books of his that were so prevalent around that time were like a gateway into the splendor of eastern thought. His words were so enchanting and they made so much more sense to me than the western traditions that I grew up around! Yet, there was something about him that seemed not quite right. I couldn’t put my finger on it. I had very little knowledge of his life and I had no idea about the whole Oregon story until I watched the documentary that you speak of. That said, I do not regret “finding” him. Many of the things he talked about, especially the Buddha, were some of my first steps that have led me to better understand the dharma. Who is to say that I would be typing these words right now if I had not been exposed to Osho? There are teaching moments everywhere you look! Especially moments that teach what not to do while you are lured to do them! Thank you so much for covering this topic! I was looking forward to hear what you had to say!!
I never met Osho (I was just a kid when he passed away), and I don’t know if he was awake/liberated/etc. But I am thankful to him for introducing me to Gurdjieff, Meher Baba, Ramana Maharshi, and many others.
Even having faith in a conman can be beneficial but it is more dangerous than having faith in an authentic master. (not judging Osho here). And as he was repeating authentic words (he was quite well studied but by no means a scholar) of course they can benefit you. I think it is a different story for those who actually lived with him. There the potential danger is greater.
@@ultimatemeaning I have often thought of Osho as somewhat of a fire. We, who are further removed from him, can benefit by the light. But those who were too close and drawn to him like moths-they tended to get burned.
You had me dying of laughter at 6:25 ......... LOL.... One very important point is that a lot start with a very good intentions and then corruption seeps in ..... fame is the first poison then money then power. So Choga be aware and careful as you are starting to become famous .... Fallen yogis in this age has become the norm.
@@ultimatemeaning I have never met seen or heard of any being who has reached the peak of their existence who is pure evil it seems against their nature. I've heard of aliens going to war on this earth over copper so what do i know anything's possible I guess.
I think this was really important and needed to be said. I have seen and personally experienced the corruption in many religions. But I learned from that corruption and see the fault in myself. I have a lot to learn and a lot to unlearn.📿🙏
The ultimate realisation..!😊❤ I wish every one of us to decipher the good and by grace led to learn and UNLEARN, the world shall soon become a paradise 🎉
For what it is worth, I never resonated with Osho, (and I always listen to my heart and my intuition) but I know people who do, and I respect those folks and resonate with them and their teachings greatly. So, even a broken clock is right twice a day, and besides, anyone can be our teacher if we care to listen. Thanks for the video..
Yeah good analogy, and it is said that it is possible to derive benefit from faith in a mistaken teacher, however it is rather dangerous. But the danger is greater when you are actually living with that teacher in an Ashram for example. The thing is most of what Osho was teaching is stuff he read that comes from authentic sources. He himself may not have lived by his own teachings but these are authentic spiritual truths so if you put them into practice they will most likely bring benefit. 🙏🙏🙏
Everything in life starts with a simple and humble origin. As things grow and evolve, they inevitably become more complex and intricate. It's a natural progression, much like the transformation of light into spoken words. Just as light can be distorted or altered as it is converted into sound, so too can the original intentions or meanings behind something be twisted or misconstrued as it develops. The purity of the initial idea or concept can often be lost as it goes through various stages of growth and expansion. It is important to remember and honor the humble beginnings of things, as well as to strive to maintain clarity and authenticity as they progress.
The biggest danger I see here is teaching high views to people who are not ready for it. It is a sign of a lack of understanding the spiritual path and a trap many teachers have fallen into ♥♥♥
I did not expect you making a video about Osho. You offer a very interesting perspective. I see the fascination and the negativity towards Osho and even met people who took him as their guru. I personally think he was very sharp minded but showed strong signs of a narcissist personality. I am not a psychologist but had my share with narcissists and learned that these people are better left alone. Thank you again for this valuable watch! Greetings from Germany:)
@ yes and it’s good to look at the gurus students to see what kind of results came from his or her teachings. So far I haven’t met anybody from the ocean community who seems to have spiritual maturity. Probably the Australian woman who attempted to assassinate the Oregon politician was the most self aware person From the documentary, that is on the side of the commune. But my feeling is her spiritual growth came from realization that she was in a negative cult
that about narcism is a interesting observation. . .he has indeed that kind of hypnosism in his speaking. . . .ive met more then one narcistic dickhead so. . . thanks for that insicht. oja only god has. . .
Two points (neither of which is original, both are aphorisms): 1. Truth does not deviate under questioning. Thus a man (I use maleness to mean generic humanness) of truth does not see questioning as a threat to his authority and does not deflect nor obfuscate; at the same time he will discard untruths within himself (painful as this is to him) when they are pointed out to him. A teacher who deflects, or obfuscates, or behaves as if he is superior to questioning has within his heart a kernel of untruth that is unworthy of following. A student who does this on behalf of their teacher is an unworthy student. 2. The measure of a leader is the conduct and success of those whom he leads; the measure of a teacher the wisdom of his students. A good teacher will lead a student to the answer in such a way as if the student has answered it himself. A leader who alone is successful, or a teacher who alone is wise, are reprehensible in their functions.
1. such a good point, and one of the best tests to see if you are in a cult 2. Yes very much my point, in Osho's elitist system the worker drones were treated like sheep and only a few of the inner circle were permitted to wield power Thanks for sharing this! 💜
@@mfit7110 Of course a teacher in worldly terms is a very differenet animal, but there is nothing simply about being a spiritual (guide)teacher. For example we don't have high expectations about the conduct or realisation of a University lecturer we are merely concerned about how learned they are in the topic and also their ability to impart that information in a clear and concise manner. But it is a completely different story when it comes to a spiritual guide. In fact there is nothing simple about being a spiritual teacher. But this isn't a point that I expect most to understand. The truth is that few people understand the spiritual path or the results of practice. And so not understanding mind and meditation then of course for them there is no difference between a teacher of secular subjects and a spiritual mentor. 🙏🙏🙏
I call it as "messiah effect". One thing is more dangerous then religion is the business of religion. Capitalism and profitism are religion same like communism it is no different then religion. Osho had more self controle then average person but maya got him. Even his humongous wisdom and experience failed to save him from clutches of maya and primal animal instinct. My advice for average people is do not let and dont allow money,fame,success get in your head. Do not get carried away by this temporary and impermanence things. And do not worships human being as messiah,prophet and god. Enlightenment doesn't demand to be paywalled. Greedy business minded Pope does. And god doesn't need money. Osho was enlightened for sure no doubt about it. But Remember one thing anybody who claims to be enlightened is 100% not enlightened no matter how good his reputation is.
@ultimatemeaning or like Obi Wan Kenobi and Anaken Skywalker. The master can only teach, and the student can distort any teaching. This means Osho's students can still do whatever they want with his teaching.
Great presentation Lama! I thoroughly enjoyed this. I am in hopes that many people will tune in and listen to this most important warning. This type of behavior has been going on for so long, without punishment for their actions. These people will continue to crawl out of their holes as long as they are being fed with material wealth, sex, drugs. What a contrast the beloved Thich Nhat Hanh, 🙏be in peace.
Yeah they often get away with it but also it often leads to their self-destruction. Osho wanted to escape into a drug induced (and painless) suicide, I think this was partially out of a feeling of having failed his students 💓💓💓
@@ultimatemeaning This is what I love about you Lama, you can still have kindness and compassion even when a person, such as Osho have hurt so many. Another Jim Jones! If he did die of suicide, he was a coward to say the least. Many blessings shower you today and all days my kind teacher.💖💖💖
Right on, you did not over speak , I’m so grateful to hear this insightful revelation. You are a blessing to all who are able to hear the truth in what you are saying. Thank you dear sir 💕🍁🙏
Look my friends we may agree or disagree on what this religious figure was actually like, but please be wary of the tendency to look for a quick fix and along with that the lack of caution when giving your freedom over to a guru or his orginisation. Beware of the signs and think for yourself. For example if people get angry and try to suppress you if you ask questions or have doubts this should immediately raise a red flag for you. As it is taught, "not to analyze the teacher is like drinking poison, not to analyze the student is like jumping from a precipice"
Lama Choga, this was a great TEACHING on self responsibility and discernment. Discernment is our own responsibility. It's also a skill and needs to be valued as a part of our practice. As bodhisattva aspirants, we need to observe these controversial con artist figures as good teachers of what NOT TO DO. We should all be asking if these qualities exist within our mind stream and eradicate them at the root. ❤🙏
Osho was closer to the Buddha than most asian monks will ever be, why? because he represented the divine, no rules, no right or wrong, good or bad, he lived to his fullest and expressed that spirituality isn't just a certain way of life, but all ways of life are spiritual as long as you do not harm others or destroy nature.
I'm not sure where you get the notion that Buddha had no rights and wrongs? Ever read the Noble Eightfold Path? There's a whole lot of "Right" in there. I had no idea there were this many delusional spiritual practitioners, but man this video really brought y'all out of the woodworks. This hippy-dippy nonsense of "there's no right and wrong, maaaan" is nonsense. Please do not ever compare the lord Buddha to this fraud again. The evidence of Osho's fraud is in your face and for the World to see and yet you still live in delusion about it?
I don't care you talking about the man , I'm sure that he doesn't mind either if he was alive. but talking about someone whom you seen only for 4 min on a 3.5 long film it's nuts. go watch Satsang he did interviews about everything.
I have considered my opinion about Osho for over 20 years. I am now quite comfortable with my opinion. The organisation has skillful rebranded Rajneesh's image, and so I understand that many post Osho devotees buy into the myth.
My second question upon awakening was, "I don't have to teach this time, do I?" I was a teacher for 30 years; it was an amazing, creative, youthfulness-engendering experience. BUT not easy. Being scrutinized for how a student interprets a lesson is mind bending. Thank you for sharing your interests.
You cannot know [a] Christ through his disciples who were asleep more often than not... The disciple is a disciple exactly because he/she is not the master. Only the master knows the master.
P O T E N T talk 😅😂! Thank you lama 🙏🏾 for the dose of reality as usual. A lot of us come to spirituality as means of recovering from deeply traumatic backgrounds. When there is no true self esteem or embodied sense of self, it is so easy to get lost in grandiose delusions around spirituality. If one is blessed with enough charisma and ruthless enough, i guess you end up with an osho.
Hi Mr. Monk, please answer this, what is your interpretation of Krishnamurti's saying "the observer is the observed". Does this quote have any reference in Buddhism (traditional or otherwise)? What do you understand by this? Thank you!
This is a pretty standard teaching and not specific to JK. Also this isn't a solipsistic view (the one is the only thing that exists and the source of everything) In the Hindu (Advaita) teachings i is the idea of non separation and in the (Buddhist) mind only system the idea that there is merely consciousness and no external or separate reference points. One could also interpret this as to mean that the "I" or "self" is not something that other that the sum of experience. There is a subtle but important difference between these positions and that of the middle way school because there one must also question the substantial existence of consciousness, or the observer. E.G. in the prasangika the interlocutor must ask "can there be an observer, without the observed?", and "can awareness (the observer) be aware of itself?" Hope this helps 🙏🙏🙏
My teacher was color blind. To know how another understands and sees this world is what is enlightening. Nothing about me is enlightened. I wish you all much compassion in this life. Thank you for this video I find no Samsara here Thank you.
This video has given me a lot of food for thought. I am in grad school right now, learning to be a teacher and being guided by teachers. Obviously It has made me think a lot about what high responsibility being a teacher has. And how difficult it is to be a good teacher who, as you say, does more than impart information, but changes ways of thinking. I have a poetry professor now who is trying very hard to help me change my ways of thinking, to help me see the process of writing in a different way. It is interesting to see the parallels between his teaching and spiritual teaching, I don't know if there is any real difference at all. He cannot tell me step by step how to write a poem, he can only convey the bare bones of the process, the mentality required for it. He can't write my poems for me. A lot of humans seem to have this impulse to follow a leader, to be told how and where to go. It's understandable. Finding your own way is hard, intimidating. I don't think we're meant to find our way entirely alone. But depending on someone to lead you through life, to write your poems for you, seems quite dangerous. You give away your autonomy, and humans are fallible, they may fail you. Instead it seems to me we need teachers who will show us how to lead ourselves. Who help us learn how to decide our own lives, rather than tell us what to do with our lives. It's a nuance I do not fully understand yet.
thanks for sharing your thoughts. my first ever introduction to spirituality outside the west was osho and for a while I found what he said to be interesting and helpful. but when he justified democracy being bad because people are too stupid for it to work, I started to question much more of what he had to say... some so called teachers can very easily convince you of things you already made your mind up about, and make you feel as if you are being taught something. and through this they can do such things as wearing gold and driving expensive cars, something going directly against the ideology he supposedly believes in, without the students even noticing/questioning it. always keep an open mind. nobody is ever 100% right about literally everything ❤🙏
America was never supposed to be a Democracy. The founders of this nation set up America as a free Independent Republic. Listen to some of the politicians from the early 1900s and you will understand their warning about the democratization of America. Osho knew that through the democratization of this nation the mass could easily be influenced and controlled through unbridled manipulation of the mega rich. A two tribe system was created and all its peoples were pitted against each other through tribal warfare. America has become a tyrannical state controlled and manipulated by corporations through media and misinformation. The wealth of who we are was stolen and continues to be pillaged every day. Osho knew that and shared that…that why he was murdered.
The ego is poison, which is why it is inevitable that we poison God. It is done unconsciously., and in advertently. We are preventing God from living our body-minds. Everyone is inherently a teacher. Everything teaches. As long as our eyes are open and we live a conscious life we are taught throughout the day every day by life’s circumstances..
Rajneesh prior to Osho had been a professional academic in Pune city in the sub continent India. Rajneesh retired from his teaching role and became a freelance advocate of various interpretations of text. It is obvious he might have had a more peaceful scholarly life if he stuck to his academic career path and stayed in line with faculty which apparently he became alienated from through adopting radical interpretations of text which paradoxically was his job description like the Buddha in context to institutions of power that construct persons in the world. The example is a person who has not seen a movie in ten years but regularly creates moving image content and uploads that to You Tube. You Tube constructs persons who in a sense are non-persons in an institutional sense of the film industry. So the concept of person in contradictory which is at the essence of these new religious movements (NRMs) that emerged through industrialisation and the rise of media.
Unfortunately like most of us he was corrupted by his knowledge (and discovering the potential of hypnotism) and created a narrative in his head where he became a great leader, with power over others. Very sad ♥♥♥
@@ultimatemeaning Indeed, fortune is partly on how any one of us navigates pain as biological experiences and social alienation that stems from means of institutional production and reproduction of ideologies over time.
@@philosophicalmixedmedia Yes I was aware that he was a professor of psychology before becoming a self declared guru. Also that he had experimented with hypnotism. 🙏🙏🙏
Krishnamurti knew that the human mind is really one mind. By questioning himself, he hoped the people listening would ask these questions of themselves but they didn't. They kept asking K questions instead of themselves, that's why he got annoyed. Bagwan Shree Rajneesh was a K ripoff (in certain areas). He was better at more a poetic type of language but was really just a hypnotist. Listen to the way he speaks with the drawn out S's. This is hypnotism.
I can't believe you addressed this. Thank you! I have always been entwined in the spiritual communities of Southern California ... and I finally left them all! I now happily study on my own. I call it the "dead eyes, dead speech of the woo-woos." They act like dr*g-addicts! I just started thinking, coincidentally, before I clicked on your video, that they ARE dr*g addicts!!! Thank you, again, for being the voice of reason out there!!!
There are so many spiritual communities and many of them are well motivated but there are well documented spiritual traps and followers and teachers alike fall into these traps. The danger is until one has tamed one's own negative emotions one is always susceptible to corruption. I am glad that you found your feet my friend and never give up hope for a better world.
“Children of the Cult” explores historical child abuse that was taking place in Oshos cult communities. Children whose innocence was snatched away from them and the parents turned a blind eye to it all.
TH-cam is one of the single best thing happened to spirituality in history of spirituality. And TH-cam live chat & comment sections is also one of the single best things happened to spirituality. they say TH-cam comment section is garbage of internet and I strongly disagree. The fact is TH-cam comment section is packed with more wisdom then then any other social media. The best part of TH-cam comment section is it is full of wisdom and gems of wisdom. Under each comment section of TH-cam video about spirituality,science,existentialism,metaphysics,philosophy(i dont include religion theology) you will find more wisdom then the video itself. It's almost feels like the layman in comment section are more wise and full of wisdom then the spiritual masters,philosophers,and gurus,monks and swamis. 🤣
In my opinion you hit the nail on the head. I have seen some of the most insightful comments on this very platform for sure! But sadly most creators do not engage with their audience in this way🙏🙏🙏
@@silenttriubutetosilentmoun4293 I agree! That is because God is Light. Wherever Light falls something will grow! All Life in Nature bends towards the Light. Each of us is a piece of the Light from God. We are Light Beings. When we get enough Light we can become enlightened. When enough Light is concentrated in Nature we experience Life. When enough Life is concentrated we get to experience the Love of the Creator. Light ✨Life ✨Love ✨🌈♥️😊🫶 it’s all the same :)
Lama I am very thankful for you and your channel. I want to tell you that you have the wrong impression of Jiddu Krishnamurti. I have heard you mention him whenever you bring up bad teachers. Please simply read a synopsis of his life. Jiddu was someone who was groomed to be the leader of a huge cult from childhood- possibly the biggest in the West at the time, meant to have the grandiose title of "The World Teacher". What he did was he totally rejected that power, authority and influence, along with accepting the disappointment he would inevitably bring to thousands including his new foster family who took care of him. He went on living in poverty for years only to end up becoming a speaker. I have met people who knew him both in person and online. He was nothing more than a humble man who wanted people to be not constrained by their minds and not see them divided between each other over differences of beliefs. I cannot make sense of why you would compare such a man who has done no harm in his lifetime to anybody, to essentially a lighter Khamenei-style supreme ruler figurehead of a religious terrorist group. Please also know that K used words he self-defined. He referred to himself as "the speaker" in the third person as to not make himself above others. This is nothing more than negating an ad-hominem, essentially, as he wanted people to pay attention to what was being said irrelevant to who has said it. Krishnamurti's intent was always for people to explore ideas for themselves rather than accept them because of the authority of the person delivering. To him, if he called himself a "teacher" he would have to say he "knows" everything. He wanted people to learn alongside him, so he would lay out the question, break their terms, explain what the terms mean to him, then reach a logical conclusion. Please don't get confused like many people do by his approach. I heard that you also found it puzzling that he was "against meditation." He wasn't. I'd know, I read his book on it. He talks about what meditation isn't, rather than what is because he says most people know it wrong. This is not the place to talk about this. If you like I can get in touch with you via email. Thank you so much for reading if you did Lama. Hoping to learn more with you and from you.
As I said in several videos I respect JK, and I have never said he was bad, but he wasn't enlightened and as an ordinary being was subject to worldly faults like the rest of us ♥🧡🧡
@@ultimatemeaning I do not know if we can claim to "know" if anyone is enlightened. I suppose we could contrast people to a concept of it. He would say such titles are unnecessary and I'm sure he called himself an ordinary man and a nobody plenty of times so there is no reason to dispute that. I think a humble person would turn down that title anyway. He was enlightened about many things, as so are good philosophers and writers. There are a few things I disagree with him on. For example, I do not believe he understood regular people or his audience too well, which may have caused him some frustration. He was freer than anyone but that frustration came from the only thing he seemed to care about which was to help people with his speeches. He was passionate and he didn't berate anyone or anything although he would get impatient sometimes. I can respect that passion regardless. And I don't see you being too different in this regard either by the way and I say that with admiration. You certainly care about this channel and reaching an audience, for example. I personally find you charismatic as well. You also use sensational words in your titles and speech, like escaping the mundane world and reaching the ultimate truth etc. These are not inherently bad things. I do not wish to be someone who becomes totally indifferent. I am personally not clear where the thin thread lies between caring with passion and not being what you would call "ordinary". All I am saying is that I would consider this critique video much better if you didn't compare JK to Osho as I still believe that is wholly misguided and a little disrespectful, considering the criminal Osho and his organization was. I am sure you wouldn't like to be compared to him either. In your video talking about JK you also said you didn't listen to him for too long but I don't know if you did later on. I would just guess not. But it is true that he isn't for most people. Most people I met at his retreat centres doesn't understand him much either. I guess my mind aligned with his style so I learned a decent amount.
@@altaydogahan342 thank you very much for your comment. It's always appreciated when people take the time to write these long and sincere comments full of years of knowledge. I just want to say thank you and it's appreciated ☺️ Thank you for your knowledge May I ask, are there any more of these casual buddhist/spiritual youtubers you may recommend? I'm on the search, I only know of very very few really good ones
@@ultimatemeaninganyone who knows God as Goodness and shares that God✨Goodness with others is an enLightened Be✨ing in my eyes. They enLIGHTen others on what is good….what is good always brings forth more Life.. An enlighten person who remembers their Divinity and shares that Divinity with others to improve Life. JK was absolutely an enlightened being as he was doing God’s work…which is to bring forth more Life into this World ✨🌈🍀
You should read his commentary on Buddha. You will get better understanding. Netflix made a poor documentary on him. He is a dimond, this world has ever produced.
You can say some truths and still be a terrible person. This was Osho. Don't be fooled by fake teachers. Please find an authentic one. If you cannot see why from this video alone that he was a hypocrite and a liar, then I think you have some soul searching to do.
The only quote I have read is that he saw the Buddha's view to be the highest and beyond what his students could comprehend. But Osho said a lot of things, it doesn't mean that he believes them. ♥♥♥
@@ultimatemeaningyou are judging a person's life work through a mere quote, some sensational interviews and a poorly made suspicious documentary. Also you juddge a person by his looks, don't know how to take this, sadhu sadhu sadhu🙏🙏
Pardon my ignorance, but why would you say Osho was a drug addict? I can only see the Divine in his eyes. It's sad that he let Sheela and others ruin his commune. I don't agree with some of his teaching, but he is as enlightened as any human can get in my opinion.
@CrazyLinguiniLegs I find that difficult to believe, but anything is possible. However, if that was the case, there was something they saw in him that was beyond the body-mind construct that kept them there.😬😬😬
@@willcharlt1993 oh, certainly. Osho’s charisma was off the charts. After 20 years, I still don’t know what to make of him. If nothing else, he was an immensely interesting and insightful individual.
I used to be a musician and spent much of my life surrounded by people on drugs. The signs are obvious. For example when he went into custody he had 3 weeks to sober up and the contrast was striking. ♥♥♥
Anyone who claims to be " enlightened" is 100% certainly not, this is a easy way to tell the crooks from the genuine. Peope who claim their personal guru is enlightened are in a delusion , after all how could they possibly know .
I would refute that Sheila was in any way a close student of Osho, he said himself that Sheila never even meditated or followed the teachings. I haven't watched the film so cant comment on it's accuracy in all points. I think the downfall could have been that Osho invited all and sundry to take Sanyas when clearly there were some like Sheila totally unsuited to that path.
@Not.Two.nonduality001 I totally agree. But non screening was part of his teaching. He taught that humans "stucked in physical survival" will never understand and gravitate to his teaching. Therefore, most of his sanyasins were either ethnic Europeans or ethnic Asians.
@@willcharlt1993 I don't see any clear message in anything Osho taught, I mean he read many books and used those words in his own teachings, but fundamentally he was very bitter and resentful ♥♥♥
@ultimatemeaning It is amazing how we humans could "perceive" a person, a teaching, or a concept (the same) and view it 180° from perceiver to perceiver. Donald J. Trump is a very good example. In my opinion, he's a scoundrel, narcissist, conman, and a perpetual liar. To others, he's a messiah. I see Osho as a very awaken teacher, but he still had shadow aspects that grew as he grew spiritually. My opinions only.
I mentioned a bit about Manson in a previous video, and an old friend of mine used to visit him in prison, so I know a bit about him. Jonestown is such a sad story, and I think Rajneesh could have gone a similar direction (we know Osho wanted to commit suicide) but luckily Sheela bailing out caused an internal collapse before that could happen ♥♥♥
The greatest lesson for me here is that to wear crazy clothes, proclaim abundance and drive in a Rolls Royce or to proclaim humility, wear your ¨uniform¨ and walk barefoot can both be ego.
At the end, of note, is that to my knowledge, his material goods were gifts, and he didn't ask for them, or own them. He decided to accept their use to be a guru to wealthy people and increase the reach of his teachings because there was a demand for them at the time. I mean, Rajneesh was just a poor indian guy, and then others elevated him. I'm not sure if it's fair to say that is blameworthy. I am going to review again, but as far as i know, he enjoyed N2O from the dentist, but am not sure that it's fair to say that he was addicted to drugs. Same with Krishnamurti. I do not guess that they devised methods to acquire power or had dictatorial control. People have to tolerate the people around them until they decide to be forcefully assertive about never returning.
Lama, thank you for sharing your thoughts. I am curious what you think of “famous spiritual leaders of the west” such as Alan Watts and Ram Dass. I have been been inspired by them at points in my life, but to your point, the behavior of some of their followers sometimes leave me a bit unsettled. It’s hard to know who to believe, especially if what they say makes a lot of sense to you.
I would need to do more research as I am not familiar with many Western teachers, but so far I suspect that Watts was a hedonist- but I haven't made my mind up on this matter yet? I don't know anything about Ram Das so I can't really comment at this time ♥♥♥ Thanks for the suggestions
But still, we need to have compassion for him because when we engage in negative acts the consequences reverberate throughout multiple lifetimes we are all the same in that we are trapped in the ocean of Samsara, and I hope that one day all beings will be liberated from this predicament♥♥🧡
I've always hated cult leaders. L. Ron Hubbard, founder of the cult the Church of Scientology, claimed to be Maitreya Buddha. He was an awful piece of work. Good video and Namo Amitabha.
Interesting story. Hubbard came up with the idea for the Church of Scientology as part of a drunken bet with his friends on who could rule the world first. Very cynical!
@ultimatemeaning common belief, but there's no evidence for it being *that* malicious. He's quoted as saying "if you want to make money, start a religion", which is an observation anyone can make, but he only started a religion after his Dianetics scam had taken off - he took the Scientology name for his post-Dianetics scam after losing the rights to Dianetics to his creditors in 1951. Scientology took up "the religion angle" as Hubbard called it in an early publication, to avoid being charged with practicing medicine without a license. Jon Atack writes well about it in "Let's Sell These People A Piece of Blue Sky", and Russell Miller in "Bare-Faced Messiah", both good reads if you do that kind of worldly thing.
@@ultimatemeaning common belief, but there's no evidence for it being that malicious. He's quoted as saying "if you want to make money, start a religion", which is an observation anyone can make, but he only started a religion after his Dianetics scam had taken off - he took the Scientology name for his post-Dianetics scam after losing the rights to Dianetics to his creditors in 1951. Scientology took up "the religion angle" as Hubbard called it in an early publication, to avoid being charged with practicing medicine without a license. Jon Atack writes well about it in "Let's Sell These People A Piece of Blue Sky", and Russell Miller in "Bare-Faced Messiah", both good reads if you do that kind of worldly thing.
Also I'm sure this will be controversial but if he's correct which I think he is, Archaix is the most important teacher in the present time for one reason. The Phoniex. Archaix isn't correct about everything but the Phoniex is one of the most important things I've ever heard.
I sincerely hope that you don't get mad or sad, but was watching your videos about Krishnamurti that got me interested in his teachings. Today I think that he helps me a lot, as do you.
The problem with you is you are thinking a lot and not feel his words, I actually see his blessings and no need to listen to him. It is enough for an image of him appears in my mind, the blessings.
@ I don’t care about what he says, even if he says something very controversial. What about his presence? Do you experienced whatsoever before talking about an enlightened being?
@@ultimatemeaning the heroine is simply a symptom. it is a drug released by your own body responding to the contradictions. it is you being pulled like a shadow. all your criticism becomes part of that. it is inevitable. for or against it does not matter. the fact that you believe you can make osho into an enemy, is simply because you do not relate to him directly. even if you cut his head, it will not matter. osho was surrounded by enemies and friends who did not understand his message.
Thank you for this talk ❤. Osho has always been iffy. Says many smart spiritual things, but basically it is all curated from other places. Lana I would love if you could make a video about identifying great spiritual teachers. I feel that when it comes to the Buddha dharma and spirituality, it becomes so much more powerful, when the teacher embodies the things they are trying to teach. Thich Nhat Hanh, Dalai Lama and lama Zopa just to name a few. Since I started practicing I have a hard time following the guidance or a teaching, if I get the feeling that the teacher simply repeat a teaching of the Buddha but seem to lack the conduct of a kind and well meaning person.
Yes, friend, anyone can say smart things, just open a book and repeat. Here is a playlist of videos about finding a true mentor: th-cam.com/play/PLu8Rw0r4aAhQo5P8QsHxcvkIE6NHA-Qsn.html
Hey do you know teacher Vishrant? He was a sanyassin of Osho. Maybe you could ask him things you wanna know. He is very active here on YT. Gives online satsangs etc, technically for free. He Realized in the presence of Osho, I think. There's also footage of him asking questions to Osho in satsang. There are also some videos of him talking about Osho. Vasantha Swaha was also an Osho sanyassin I think. He and Vishrant did two videos together
The Buddha was cradling his head, so a follower asked does the Buddha have a head ache? The Buddha said that he stepped on a thorn once, and even using all of his enlightened powers, could not excape the thorn. The moral is that one can not run away from their problems. If one lost all sense of self concern, it would not make the suffering stop, but allow room for acceptance of suffering, in turn allowing us to have access to the beauty and peace. What do you think of psychological alchemy? I think it can bring out the beauty in the things others would consider suffering.
As your channel name suggests, that's Samsara. I have no problem with your opinions. I don't even care about Osho although I used to find him funny sometimes. But my question is who or what has authority to issue a certificate for enlightenment? I can't find any.
I read Hugh Millne(sp) book titled 'Baghwan, The God that failed' and in the book Hugh mentions that he once visited Osho's family and they asked him 'Does Mohan(Osho) still like to use hypnosis on people?'
Osho said "hypnosis is the best meditation" and based on this statement I could see immediately that he did not understand the meaning of "meditation" ♥♥♥
Swami Prabhupada's take on the Bhagavad Gita has helped me to find the transition from book learning to personal application of knowledge. He's dead, but his purports are written as if he was personally there attempting to share and explain as a teacher and not just an author.
Seems to me that some of the behaviours of certain gurus (and their disciples) to which you object might have their roots in the Baghavad Gita, where "holy war" is sanctioned. This is not to say that I disapprove of the Baghavad Gita; I think it is a remarkable religious text and very much worth reading and pondering (Gandhi, after all, praised it highly and based his actions on it's teaching).
You will find many suitable examples in the ancient scriptures, and these in turn can be interpreted in countless ways, but if there is obvious dissonance between those words and your own conduct, that raises a red flag for me. ♥♥♥
Yes, his hypnotic voice put his followers into a trance and they liked switching off. Jim Jones had a similar "gift" as did Krishnamurti. Sadly Osho and Jones used this power for the wrong reasons 😥
@@ultimatemeaning his voice still put people in trance. Even if they relaise his voice is hypnotic and put them in trance. They just can't help themselves. They just can't get enough of him.🤣🤣
@ultimatemeaning Osho is no Jim Jones by any stretch. Jones was psychopathic, narcissistic, "true believer," and nowhere close to enlightenment. Osho was very awakened, but still had a narcissistic shadow that wasn't quite integrated. This shadow grew unconsciously in his background and was unconsciously projected onto some of his students.
I do feel sorry for Osho, it is clear that he regretted how things turned out and his wish to end his own life is a further sign of his fragility and desperation. ♥♥♥
Sorry i am french so it might not be accurately expressed, 16th Karmapa said that Osho was a great tibetan teacher in the past, i failed to mention this…
Yes I believe the reasons why people are born with a silver tongue can be related to practice in a previous life time, in fact I am convinced of this fact when it comes to Osho, but until one has achieved irreversibility one is always susceptible to corruption. And when it comes to the 16th Karmapa then he only spoke in Tibetan and was often miss quoted, so I would have to hear him speak to give you my opinion. If you know of a recording I can check it out ♥♥♥
Sheela was malignant, like a tumour. There are many of her kind in society today. i like the way you air-quoted the term "students" when talking about Krishnamurti. It's as if his 'students' didn't care for the lesson... they just wanted the answers. "His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb." - John 16 "It's like playing Mozart for particularly malignant children." - Andrew Ryan "Give a thousand malignants a thousand typewriters, and a thousand years, and they might write Shakespeare." - Unknown "All the world's a stage and all the men and women merely players." - Shakespeare Meanwhile... the prophets (including Buddha, of course) have devised a plan so genius, so amazing, and so great, it is known as THE Great Work; elevate the strong so the strong may elevate the meek (referring to wisdom). "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth" - Matthew "Give me anything, good or bad... but strong." - Aleister Crowley 93 love/will 93
@ultimatemeaning These are not just quotes; these are the quotes of the greats in their correct order, in the hopes that the deaf may learn to hear once again. i am a philosopher; we predate the oldest of all the religions... and we are no fools. 93 = Thelema in the Greek practice of Isopsephy. 93 = Agape in the Greek practice of Isopsephy. Thelema is the Greek word for Will. Agape is the Greek word for Love. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. There shall be no other law than do what thou wilt. Love is the law, love under will." - The Book of The Law by Aleister Crowley "Give me anything, good or bad... but strong." - Aleister Crowley Aleister Crowley was a philosopher and the last prophet. He was not just some guy spouting drivel. Crowley has provided the world with a clear message if you have ears to hear: Do or Die. Become wise or be erased. Philosophy literal definition = The love of wisdom. "We speak, and now you will listen." - Esoterica of The Wise 93/93
@ultimatemeaning Yes, i am, but ALL of his works are open to interpretation, just like all the great works. Do what thou wilt shall be half of the law. There shall be other laws than do what thou wilt. Love is the law, love over will. We are no fools. Theology was based on our findings, including Buddha's. Although i heard Buddha said: "Don't make a religion out of me." - but his followers did so regardless. i know it sounds like a bold and pretentious claim, but we philosophers have shaped the world since the agricultural revolution at the latest. We don't tell each other everything, though, unfortunately. ☹️ i implore anyone who reads this: please don't disregard what we say... for we can save you many troubles in the future. In Buddhism, i guess you would need to master Vipassana. Please correct me if i am wrong; i am no expert on Buddhism. i am a Western Esotericist (Hermetic / Thelemic Qabalah).
Namaste, Actually in my past days I was following osho but later on suddenly I stopped listening to him, but parallally I was in touch with Sri ramakrishna ashram, and I follow Sri ramakrishna and swami vivekananda.....recently I started watching thich Nath hanh videos.... He is great teacher ji.... Could explain his teachings on rebirth and non self bit confusing but with the help of other videos I came to know he was enlightened like Ramana maharshi, budhdha... He teaching same thing
Your insight is spot on my friend, but I will add one other caveat, and that is "it is dangerous to teach high views to those who are not ready for it"
I 'd like to hear your opinion on this. Suppose a bodhisattva comes back to Earth would they be born via the womb or emanate physically. Now if they were born from the womb, would they also experience the same rules as us? Would they be born ignorant and experience life to get back to the bodhisattva state of being? Would their body experience suffering by having one foot in the mind and one foot in the no mind whilst relying on the 6 parramittas to not perceive the suffering? And let's say one was to be enlightened , would it not take some time for the conditionings to melt away since it takes some time for physical changes to occur? If i remember correctly, as some point of his life he said "I'm not done yet" and went into silence again. If there is no teacher present, life experiences would be the teacher. And if the conditioning was so deep that one's awareness could not perceive it, then life would have to show it to you with a larger/more concrete example. Maybe a few criticism met a conditioning. In my personal opinion the boddhisattva's that do come back recently have designed a life where they are able to demonstrate the human experience of coming home, to be perceived as equal and friends, and to abolish how humans think they are inferior to "more spiritually advanced beings" and to their imperfect-perfections (that we should ideally all feel from just existing).
"cult tendency to protect/shield the guru" that you mentioned is the trademark of vajrayana Buddhist communities. For example try to constructively criticize Dzongsar Kyentse Rinpoche (or any other), don't even thing about it because you will not get any logical reasoning from their students just irrational reactions and often anger too. And I am talking about rational type of criticism from the side of Buddhist practitioners themselves, not from anti spiritual folks. People are not mature in general, it's not only the case of Osho and theirs. Traditional guru culture doesn't work in the modern times (and why it should, other things can work, it's a culture thing) and actually Osho registered that but rarely some Lama's did even in 2024.
You remember the "Buddha Boy" Ram Bahadur Bomjon who hit the news a fair few years ago? If you don't know about it - it's a real shocker to find out how his life panned out..!
Oh I would love to hear an update on this, because we heard about him in retreat but I haven't seen anything recently. Thanks for bringing my attention to this. My initial impression about him almost 20 years ago was that he was a fraud and was suffering from mental illness. Also that his family was using him for fame and money.
Much worse I'm afraid - he turned into a right piece of work! (allegedly) kidnapping, torture, murder, money laundering, temple desecration, all sorts! He was arrested some time back.
Thank you very much for this important vodeo ! My Zen practice is now very much imbued with the teachings of Chögyam Trungpa, specifically one of his students Pema Chödrön. I was not a little shocked when I recently learned a little more about Chögyam Trungpa's character, though it seems that in his case he may not have been such a good role model himself, but some of his disciples at least have done important work as bodhisattvas. Unfortunately, spiritual groups are a good breeding ground for narcissistic behavior and questionable character development, in my opinion this is largely due to the fact that spiritual teachers are often completely glorified, if this is encouraged by the teacher himself, one would do well to consider taking one's legs in one's hands. One reason why I only practiced in a sangha for the first 10 years and have now been practicing alone for about 16 years is that it is incredibly difficult to find an authentic and above all suitable teacher! But I think the old saying is not entirely wrong: “When the student is ready, the teacher is not far away!” and I have absolutely no time to lose, but I'm not in a hurry either!
It takes a spiritual narcissist to desire a flock of adoring disciples to pamper the ego. Someone truly interested in liberation would not want to be so burdened.
Yeah, her own statements are all self contradictory, but this is just another sign of how she epitomises Osho's own "doctrine" where external appearances contradict inner beliefs. 🙏🙏🙏
@@ultimatemeaning I appreciate so much coming from you - who has explored the continuum of duality and non-duality - the challenging question about "well if everything is god, then why are you trying to kill god, poison god" ... These are deep and stirring invocations from a pure honest soul such as yourself about the trite delusions people harbour, as well as the hypocrisy and disconnect between people's fashionable mimiced beliefs versus their actions. I love the way you walk your talk and analyse the sacred minutiae of life as an expression of values. And then to top it all off you still have room to lighten the mood with your eyeerolls listening to oshos's slurred speech on playback. Always room for play while cultivating perfection!!! Luv your presence. Keep on dear Choga!
@@ninaallchurch3101 hahaha you picked up on the eye rolls! I even had to speed up the dialogue because it was painfully slow, but his followers loved the way he lulled them into a state of trance ♥♥♥
Osho was brilliant and loved to give example of how corrupted masters end up ruining a ideology or even how a idelogy get twisted and corrupted he gave example karl marx,communism and communists,christianity and all the other s""t that went wrong. Osho lived to prove his own point by getting corrupted and hence proving that even him and his teaching and idelogy is not immune to corruptions of spirituality. He lived to make a example of himself and example of what he warned to others and he ended up making example out of him. Example of his own teaching of anti corrupting of ideologies by compromising them. Either you die a hero or live long enough to see yourselves turning inti a villan. The corrupt are into rituals, whereas the virtuous are spiritual.
@@EliseSecond islam,quran and Muhammad are not corrupted but they are products of most worse kind of corruption of humanity. There is nothing spiritual about ezlam to get corrupted. Ezlam itself is outcome of corruption of humanity.
Let me save you time, osho was a Buddha in the truest sense. He was absolutely enlightened and that’s why he’s so misunderstood. The documentary was a hit piece… all they did was interview the guilty. Osho was too far gone to know what was going on.
@@snowflakemelter1172 Buddhas have an energy field around them that literally blows your mind and pushes you into beingness (crown chakra opens). You’ll notice that monks and other spiritual leaders do not have this as they are still in the process of waking up so they can’t vibrate at enlightenment frequency. Just tune in.
@@ultimatemeaningthanks! Osho is just one of my many teachers along the path. He’s not around anymore but I found another awake teacher that Is alive so the work continues
I don't know if this angle applies, but I want to write this out. I have tried to reach ego death many times, and merely reached a state of confusion and bewilderment that got me into a sense of detachment, but also made it impractical to have a conversation with. There is a stubbornness I adhere to that I want others to engage with, I do not mean harm or to infract, I have a presence and wish to engage with the world from my perspective. And what I learned or noticed in my interactions, is that most people do not enjoy being dismantled in their social structures. Or being noticed in their upholding of appearances. I don't know if this is relevant. But I want to share. And this is also for me a way to practice being vulnerable.
Ego death is not a easy as it sounds so please do not become disheartened. Also be wary of this sense of detachment that is like apathy, it is called Acedia, or the malady of monks, is a kind of nihilism, and has been warned of throughout the centuries ♥♥♥
🙏 Thank you for this enlightening talk about Osho Lama ji 😊 nothing surprising for me about this con man and his 93 Roll Royces. I wonder what happened with Sadhguru's wife, a bit disturbing I reckon. Also not at the same scale, I put Tolle somewhere there on the list. An opportunistic entrepreneur jumping on the bandwagon of spirituality at the right moment of time, charging big money to middle class people to go to retreat meditation. Clever man 😊 With loving kindness 💜 Tat twam asi 🙏 🕉️ 📿
Krishnamurti hated the teacher and student relationship because it inspires view of inferiority and superiority. He spoke as a friend, and as an equal. It’s probably true that his listeners did not see it that way though. But imo It’s not just that “he doesn’t want to be responsible for his students”. He isn’t responsible for his students. They are free human beings. He didn’t view them as any different from what he was. Whilst Buddhism tends to push that Bodhisatvas and teachers and somehow “higher” than students and that students should become like them. I understand you spend a lot of time defending that in this video but this is a view I am completely against, and I think it’s one of the reasons why people don’t understand the teachings. Krishnamurti always said something like “I am not important, only listen to what I have to say”.
I totally agree with your description of Km. He was a very kind man. He did, on some occasions, get somewhat frustrated with his dialogees; but that was, I think, because they were smoking too much hashish and kept asking the same stupid questions . He just wanted to have a dialog.
Some parts I saw make me believe that he was actually using the audience as a means to gather his own thoughts and how to express these ideas; then when he "found" the answer he was looking for, he would say "the answer" out loud, end it and get up.
Yet there still has to be a teacher out there to teach... not everyone learns just by listening to a friendly conversation... you do you and let the teachers teach 😊
And yet he spent nearly all his time teaching, I wonder why?
@@ultimatemeaningkeeps you from masturbating 😬
@@ultimatemeaning That is the main criticism that UG Krishnamurti brought up. J. Krishnamurti never freed himself from the world teacher business, and he didn't ''get it'' by gradually listening to lectures.
Amongst the Christians in my country, here in Taiwan, there are HUGE crooks who have built their churches on the western, Baptist, evangelical model: persecute LGBTQ people, call all Taoist, Buddhist, and Confucianism traditions “demonic”, demand money from followers, build huge and expensive churches, and try your damndest to get into politics to sway the legislature in your direction. Basically the same model being used in America. They are succeeding quite well in Korea. And now it is happening here. Breaks my heart to see our culture being dissolved by these western “gurus”.
Have you seen the mega churches in the US and Africa! crazy. makes Rajneeshpuram look like lego
They christen missionaries and western baptists evlingical zealots do same thing in India and with India's native culture and religions and spirituality they call them as satanic,demonic,pagan,infidels,heathen and devil ans what not. This is the biggest problem of abhramism and abhramic religions. My way or highway. That is what makes them e"vil. One things I h"a"te more then abhramism and abhramic religions is business and politics of abhramism and abhramic religions.
@@ultimatemeaningThey christen missionaries and western baptists evlingical zealots do same thing in India and with India's native culture and religions and spirituality they call them as satanic,demonic,pagan,infidels,heathen and devil ans what not. This is the biggest problem of abhramism and abhramic religions. My way or highway. That is what makes them e"vil. One things I h"a"te more then abhramism and abhramic religions is business and politics of abhramism and abhramic religions.
@ Very true, and so very sad.
@@wordscapes5690 ♥ Well at least we can learn from our mistakes right? ♥
There is a great film/ documentary about this topic that is also funny. Kumaré - False guru.
It's about an American Indian guy who, as an experiment, starts to act as if he is a guru to see if people would follow him. He ends up trying to teach them to not follow others and the ending is quite wholesome.
Kumaré - False guru -> seriously go watch it. Very interesting to see how humans behaviour can be.
Hey! thanks for the tip, I will look it up. Is it on Netflicks?
one of my rapists
i got 7 of them
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jea really
west he, holland. disgusting man hero.
watched netflix. i COULD notice his actions, he looked at westerns when he was a boy as a little narcicistic dichehead in the making. he used gossip to make me look like a idiot. (lucky for me is my body not my life so ok, rape me but i will get back to jou, be sure! (i was drgeerd, so jea, never notice the action in real time) but
well not everybody, special the people who work in the green, that are people i work with dont watch that nonsens. i dont a have a tv. got rid of it when i was 18.
my kids did watch tv, i with them, its amusement. . . but most of the time we did wildcamping or just sing, cook, licht fires. practice shiatsu be creative
and the boys did videogames real horrible killing but well boys goes there when they are a teener.
tv is a curs.e
i have some films
i have jou tube. im good.
i have the chainsawmonk niow, ha ha love him, i think he is very amusant, and so the reaction-modus.
@@ultimatemeaning It’s here In TH-cam.
@@ultimatemeaning Cristian Marques is the channel.
I’m not a Buddhist. But appreciate this monk speaking the truth about cheating gurus.
Hello friend, thank you for your contribution to the conversation. What matters is not so much how we self identify as a Buddhist or Christian et cetera. What matters is that we have the basic foundation of integrity and altruism❤❤❤
Osho became a part of my life early in my budding interest of eastern philosophy/religion. His words from the books of his that were so prevalent around that time were like a gateway into the splendor of eastern thought. His words were so enchanting and they made so much more sense to me than the western traditions that I grew up around! Yet, there was something about him that seemed not quite right. I couldn’t put my finger on it.
I had very little knowledge of his life and I had no idea about the whole Oregon story until I watched the documentary that you speak of. That said, I do not regret “finding” him. Many of the things he talked about, especially the Buddha, were some of my first steps that have led me to better understand the dharma.
Who is to say that I would be typing these words right now if I had not been exposed to Osho? There are teaching moments everywhere you look! Especially moments that teach what not to do while you are lured to do them!
Thank you so much for covering this topic! I was looking forward to hear what you had to say!!
I never met Osho (I was just a kid when he passed away), and I don’t know if he was awake/liberated/etc. But I am thankful to him for introducing me to Gurdjieff, Meher Baba, Ramana Maharshi, and many others.
Even having faith in a conman can be beneficial but it is more dangerous than having faith in an authentic master. (not judging Osho here). And as he was repeating authentic words (he was quite well studied but by no means a scholar) of course they can benefit you. I think it is a different story for those who actually lived with him. There the potential danger is greater.
@@CrazyLinguiniLegs Yeah he had studied the words of many modern masters
@@ultimatemeaning No doubt!
@@ultimatemeaning I have often thought of Osho as somewhat of a fire. We, who are further removed from him, can benefit by the light. But those who were too close and drawn to him like moths-they tended to get burned.
You had me dying of laughter at 6:25 ......... LOL.... One very important point is that a lot start with a very good intentions and then corruption seeps in ..... fame is the first poison then money then power. So Choga be aware and careful as you are starting to become famous .... Fallen yogis in this age has become the norm.
lol we get this a lot in Tibetan temples. LAma Yeshe shouts at his students "wake up you are all spaced out, this is supposed to be clarity!" ♥♥♥
Truly unbelievable,they practically cuckooed each other and a country town to the limits of human depravity,guised as spirituality!
Yeah but most can not separate personal gratification from liberation🙏
@ultimatemeaning part of the Human condition..desire.
@@PP-GOne might say craving
22:25 I truly miss the great Master. He was truly a living Bodhisattva in my opinion. What a wonderful human he was! ❤️
I wasn't fortunate enough to meet this master but I know in my heart that he was truly special! ♥♥♥
@@ultimatemeaning I have never met seen or heard of any being who has reached the peak of their existence who is pure evil it seems against their nature. I've heard of aliens going to war on this earth over copper so what do i know anything's possible I guess.
I think this was really important and needed to be said. I have seen and personally experienced the corruption in many religions. But I learned from that corruption and see the fault in myself. I have a lot to learn and a lot to unlearn.📿🙏
Yes so true my friend ♥♥♥
Yeah the spiritual path is always inwards
It's setup with premeditation from the very start. The entire basis is to harm people.
The ultimate realisation..!😊❤ I wish every one of us to decipher the good and by grace led to learn and UNLEARN, the world shall soon become a paradise 🎉
For what it is worth, I never resonated with Osho, (and I always listen to my heart and my intuition) but I know people who do, and I respect those folks and resonate with them and their teachings greatly. So, even a broken clock is right twice a day, and besides, anyone can be our teacher if we care to listen. Thanks for the video..
Yeah good analogy, and it is said that it is possible to derive benefit from faith in a mistaken teacher, however it is rather dangerous. But the danger is greater when you are actually living with that teacher in an Ashram for example.
The thing is most of what Osho was teaching is stuff he read that comes from authentic sources. He himself may not have lived by his own teachings but these are authentic spiritual truths so if you put them into practice they will most likely bring benefit.
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Everything in life starts with a simple and humble origin. As things grow and evolve, they inevitably become more complex and intricate. It's a natural progression, much like the transformation of light into spoken words. Just as light can be distorted or altered as it is converted into sound, so too can the original intentions or meanings behind something be twisted or misconstrued as it develops. The purity of the initial idea or concept can often be lost as it goes through various stages of growth and expansion. It is important to remember and honor the humble beginnings of things, as well as to strive to maintain clarity and authenticity as they progress.
The biggest danger I see here is teaching high views to people who are not ready for it. It is a sign of a lack of understanding the spiritual path and a trap many teachers have fallen into ♥♥♥
I did not expect you making a video about Osho. You offer a very interesting perspective.
I see the fascination and the negativity towards Osho and even met people who took him as their guru. I personally think he was very sharp minded but showed strong signs of a narcissist personality. I am not a psychologist but had my share with narcissists and learned that these people are better left alone.
Thank you again for this valuable watch! Greetings from Germany:)
Perfect example of intelligence lacking Wisdom 🙏🙏🙏
The proof is in the pudding. Most certainly a self-centred person.
@ yes and it’s good to look at the gurus students to see what kind of results came from his or her teachings.
So far I haven’t met anybody from the ocean community who seems to have spiritual maturity.
Probably the Australian woman who attempted to assassinate the Oregon politician was the most self aware person From the documentary, that is on the side of the commune.
But my feeling is her spiritual growth came from realization that she was in a negative cult
that about narcism is a interesting observation. . .he has indeed that kind of hypnosism in his speaking. . . .ive met more then one narcistic dickhead so. . . thanks for that insicht. oja only god has. . .
@@mystosplosion Nearly all self proclaimed messiahs are malignant narcissists. 🙏🙏🙏
Two points (neither of which is original, both are aphorisms):
1. Truth does not deviate under questioning. Thus a man (I use maleness to mean generic humanness) of truth does not see questioning as a threat to his authority and does not deflect nor obfuscate; at the same time he will discard untruths within himself (painful as this is to him) when they are pointed out to him. A teacher who deflects, or obfuscates, or behaves as if he is superior to questioning has within his heart a kernel of untruth that is unworthy of following. A student who does this on behalf of their teacher is an unworthy student.
2. The measure of a leader is the conduct and success of those whom he leads; the measure of a teacher the wisdom of his students. A good teacher will lead a student to the answer in such a way as if the student has answered it himself. A leader who alone is successful, or a teacher who alone is wise, are reprehensible in their functions.
1. such a good point, and one of the best tests to see if you are in a cult
2. Yes very much my point, in Osho's elitist system the worker drones were treated like sheep and only a few of the inner circle were permitted to wield power
Thanks for sharing this!
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A teacher is simply something you learn from. Period. Everything else you said is based in the students fear
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Of course a teacher in worldly terms is a very differenet animal, but there is nothing simply about being a spiritual (guide)teacher.
For example we don't have high expectations about the conduct or realisation of a University lecturer we are merely concerned about how learned they are in the topic and also their ability to impart that information in a clear and concise manner.
But it is a completely different story when it comes to a spiritual guide. In fact there is nothing simple about being a spiritual teacher. But this isn't a point that I expect most to understand.
The truth is that few people understand the spiritual path or the results of practice. And so not understanding mind and meditation then of course for them there is no difference between a teacher of secular subjects and a spiritual mentor.
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@@mfit7110 What does the student fear?
I call it as "messiah effect". One thing is more dangerous then religion is the business of religion. Capitalism and profitism are religion same like communism it is no different then religion.
Osho had more self controle then average person but maya got him. Even his humongous wisdom and experience failed to save him from clutches of maya and primal animal instinct. My advice for average people is do not let and dont allow money,fame,success get in your head. Do not get carried away by this temporary and impermanence things. And do not worships human being as messiah,prophet and god. Enlightenment doesn't demand to be paywalled. Greedy business minded Pope does. And god doesn't need money. Osho was enlightened for sure no doubt about it. But Remember one thing anybody who claims to be enlightened is 100% not enlightened no matter how good his reputation is.
Ah! yes like in the "Life of Brian" 😆🤣😆 I used "Guru trap" as in the "DictatorTrap" that almost always leads to self destruction
@ultimatemeaning or like Obi Wan Kenobi and Anaken Skywalker. The master can only teach, and the student can distort any teaching. This means Osho's students can still do whatever they want with his teaching.
Great presentation Lama! I thoroughly enjoyed this. I am in hopes that many people will tune in and listen to this most important warning. This type of behavior has been going on for so long, without punishment for their actions. These people will continue to crawl out of their holes as long as they are being fed with material wealth, sex, drugs. What a contrast the beloved Thich Nhat Hanh, 🙏be in peace.
Yeah they often get away with it but also it often leads to their self-destruction. Osho wanted to escape into a drug induced (and painless) suicide, I think this was partially out of a feeling of having failed his students 💓💓💓
@@ultimatemeaning This is what I love about you Lama, you can still have kindness and compassion even when a person, such as Osho have hurt so many. Another Jim Jones! If he did die of suicide, he was a coward to say the least.
Many blessings shower you today and all days my kind teacher.💖💖💖
Right on, you did not over speak , I’m so grateful to hear this insightful revelation. You are a blessing to all who are able to hear the truth in what you are saying. Thank you dear sir 💕🍁🙏
Look my friends we may agree or disagree on what this religious figure was actually like, but please be wary of the tendency to look for a quick fix and along with that the lack of caution when giving your freedom over to a guru or his orginisation.
Beware of the signs and think for yourself. For example if people get angry and try to suppress you if you ask questions or have doubts this should immediately raise a red flag for you.
As it is taught, "not to analyze the teacher is like drinking poison, not to analyze the student is like jumping from a precipice"
"The world was on fire and no one could save me but you" - Guru Chris Isaac from the Wicked Game teaching
Yeah, this is the exact rhetoric of those who want power over others! ♥♥♥
Lama Choga, this was a great TEACHING on self responsibility and discernment. Discernment is our own responsibility. It's also a skill and needs to be valued as a part of our practice. As bodhisattva aspirants, we need to observe these controversial con artist figures as good teachers of what NOT TO DO. We should all be asking if these qualities exist within our mind stream and eradicate them at the root. ❤🙏
Yes it is like a map of the mine field for the spiritual path! ♥♥♥
@ultimatemeaning We need it!!!
Osho was closer to the Buddha than most asian monks will ever be, why? because he represented the divine, no rules, no right or wrong, good or bad, he lived to his fullest and expressed that spirituality isn't just a certain way of life, but all ways of life are spiritual as long as you do not harm others or destroy nature.
do you really believe that?
Are you saying Osho didn't harm anyone, or am I missing your point? Thanks for sharing
Why do you associate no right and wrong with the divine?
He loved expensive cars 😅
I'm not sure where you get the notion that Buddha had no rights and wrongs? Ever read the Noble Eightfold Path? There's a whole lot of "Right" in there.
I had no idea there were this many delusional spiritual practitioners, but man this video really brought y'all out of the woodworks. This hippy-dippy nonsense of "there's no right and wrong, maaaan" is nonsense.
Please do not ever compare the lord Buddha to this fraud again. The evidence of Osho's fraud is in your face and for the World to see and yet you still live in delusion about it?
I don't care you talking about the man , I'm sure that he doesn't mind either if he was alive.
but talking about someone whom you seen only for 4 min on a 3.5 long film it's nuts.
go watch Satsang he did interviews about everything.
I have considered my opinion about Osho for over 20 years. I am now quite comfortable with my opinion. The organisation has skillful rebranded Rajneesh's image, and so I understand that many post Osho devotees buy into the myth.
My second question upon awakening was, "I don't have to teach this time, do I?"
I was a teacher for 30 years; it was an amazing, creative, youthfulness-engendering experience. BUT not easy. Being scrutinized for how a student interprets a lesson is mind bending.
Thank you for sharing your interests.
How can be sure you are awakened? It's self proclaimed or you demonstrate obvious signs?
Not all Buddhas teach ♥♥♥
Not a rant. A profound, true, and amazing philosophical analysis of reality.
You cannot know [a] Christ through his disciples who were asleep more often than not... The disciple is a disciple exactly because he/she is not the master. Only the master knows the master.
How do you tell if someone is a good Christian or not?
@ultimatemeaning A good Christian is one who "believes" in Christ teaching, WITHOUT DIRECT EXPERIENCE.
P O T E N T talk 😅😂!
Thank you lama 🙏🏾 for the dose of reality as usual.
A lot of us come to spirituality as means of recovering from deeply traumatic backgrounds. When there is no true self esteem or embodied sense of self, it is so easy to get lost in grandiose delusions around spirituality. If one is blessed with enough charisma and ruthless enough, i guess you end up with an osho.
So long as people believe that they will not progress consciously they will not look within to the source of all wisdom.
Lets hope they (we) make progress🙏🙏🙏
Spectrum of Oshos teaching is like the sky.
Glad to hear you found your teacher❤❤❤
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Hi Mr. Monk, please answer this, what is your interpretation of Krishnamurti's saying "the observer is the observed". Does this quote have any reference in Buddhism (traditional or otherwise)? What do you understand by this? Thank you!
This is a pretty standard teaching and not specific to JK. Also this isn't a solipsistic view (the one is the only thing that exists and the source of everything)
In the Hindu (Advaita) teachings i is the idea of non separation and in the (Buddhist) mind only system the idea that there is merely consciousness and no external or separate reference points.
One could also interpret this as to mean that the "I" or "self" is not something that other that the sum of experience.
There is a subtle but important difference between these positions and that of the middle way school because there one must also question the substantial existence of consciousness, or the observer. E.G. in the prasangika the interlocutor must ask "can there be an observer, without the observed?", and "can awareness (the observer) be aware of itself?"
Hope this helps
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@@ultimatemeaning Thank you for the reply, so does this mean "physical things" do not really exist? It's all mind/consciousness?
My teacher was color blind.
To know how another understands and sees this world is what is enlightening. Nothing about me is enlightened.
I wish you all much compassion in this life.
Thank you for this video
I find no Samsara here Thank you.
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This video has given me a lot of food for thought. I am in grad school right now, learning to be a teacher and being guided by teachers. Obviously It has made me think a lot about what high responsibility being a teacher has. And how difficult it is to be a good teacher who, as you say, does more than impart information, but changes ways of thinking. I have a poetry professor now who is trying very hard to help me change my ways of thinking, to help me see the process of writing in a different way. It is interesting to see the parallels between his teaching and spiritual teaching, I don't know if there is any real difference at all. He cannot tell me step by step how to write a poem, he can only convey the bare bones of the process, the mentality required for it. He can't write my poems for me.
A lot of humans seem to have this impulse to follow a leader, to be told how and where to go. It's understandable. Finding your own way is hard, intimidating. I don't think we're meant to find our way entirely alone. But depending on someone to lead you through life, to write your poems for you, seems quite dangerous. You give away your autonomy, and humans are fallible, they may fail you. Instead it seems to me we need teachers who will show us how to lead ourselves. Who help us learn how to decide our own lives, rather than tell us what to do with our lives. It's a nuance I do not fully understand yet.
Your intuition is good my friend, we need teachers to guides us and to lead by example ♥♥♥
He was very learned man indeed.....who actually read hundred thousand books in a lifetime
I wouldn't say he was very learned but certainly intelligent and fairly well read, but the words are of no use unless you put them into practice ♥♥♥
thanks for sharing your thoughts. my first ever introduction to spirituality outside the west was osho and for a while I found what he said to be interesting and helpful. but when he justified democracy being bad because people are too stupid for it to work, I started to question much more of what he had to say...
some so called teachers can very easily convince you of things you already made your mind up about, and make you feel as if you are being taught something. and through this they can do such things as wearing gold and driving expensive cars, something going directly against the ideology he supposedly believes in, without the students even noticing/questioning it.
always keep an open mind. nobody is ever 100% right about literally everything ❤🙏
Thank you for sharing that insight friend, it help me understand his cynicism better 🙏🙏
America was never supposed to be a Democracy. The founders of this nation set up America as a free Independent Republic. Listen to some of the politicians from the early 1900s and you will understand their warning about the democratization of America. Osho knew that through the democratization of this nation the mass could easily be influenced and controlled through unbridled manipulation of the mega rich. A two tribe system was created and all its peoples were pitted against each other through tribal warfare. America has become a tyrannical state controlled and manipulated by corporations through media and misinformation. The wealth of who we are was stolen and continues to be pillaged every day. Osho knew that and shared that…that why he was murdered.
Well, I don't watch Netflix because it's full of trash. If I need to watch a film, I just pirate it.
My first time but there is a lot more information out their in the public domain so you can check it out for yourself
The ego is poison, which is why it is inevitable that we poison God. It is done unconsciously., and in advertently. We are preventing God from living our body-minds. Everyone is inherently a teacher. Everything teaches. As long as our eyes are open and we live a conscious life we are taught throughout the day every day by life’s circumstances..
Rajneesh prior to Osho had been a professional academic in Pune city in the sub continent India. Rajneesh retired from his teaching role and became a freelance advocate of various interpretations of text. It is obvious he might have had a more peaceful scholarly life if he stuck to his academic career path and stayed in line with faculty which apparently he became alienated from through adopting radical interpretations of text which paradoxically was his job description like the Buddha in context to institutions of power that construct persons in the world. The example is a person who has not seen a movie in ten years but regularly creates moving image content and uploads that to You Tube. You Tube constructs persons who in a sense are non-persons in an institutional sense of the film industry. So the concept of person in contradictory which is at the essence of these new religious movements (NRMs) that emerged through industrialisation and the rise of media.
Unfortunately like most of us he was corrupted by his knowledge (and discovering the potential of hypnotism) and created a narrative in his head where he became a great leader, with power over others. Very sad ♥♥♥
@@ultimatemeaning Indeed, fortune is partly on how any one of us navigates pain as biological experiences and social alienation that stems from means of institutional production and reproduction of ideologies over time.
@@philosophicalmixedmedia Yes I was aware that he was a professor of psychology before becoming a self declared guru. Also that he had experimented with hypnotism. 🙏🙏🙏
This one was raw.
To the very bone I hope! 🍖
Krishnamurti knew that the human mind is really one mind. By questioning himself, he hoped the people listening would ask these questions of themselves but they didn't. They kept asking K questions instead of themselves, that's why he got annoyed. Bagwan Shree Rajneesh was a K ripoff (in certain areas). He was better at more a poetic type of language but was really just a hypnotist. Listen to the way he speaks with the drawn out S's. This is hypnotism.
I can't believe you addressed this. Thank you! I have always been entwined in the spiritual communities of Southern California ... and I finally left them all! I now happily study on my own.
I call it the "dead eyes, dead speech of the woo-woos." They act like dr*g-addicts!
I just started thinking, coincidentally, before I clicked on your video, that they ARE dr*g addicts!!!
Thank you, again, for being the voice of reason out there!!!
There are so many spiritual communities and many of them are well motivated but there are well documented spiritual traps and followers and teachers alike fall into these traps. The danger is until one has tamed one's own negative emotions one is always susceptible to corruption. I am glad that you found your feet my friend and never give up hope for a better world.
“Children of the Cult” explores historical child abuse that was taking place in Oshos cult communities.
Children whose innocence was snatched away from them and the parents turned a blind eye to it all.
Oh! how sad thank you for sharing I will look into this! I suspected the kids were in danger
TH-cam is one of the single best thing happened to spirituality in history of spirituality. And TH-cam live chat & comment sections is also one of the single best things happened to spirituality. they say TH-cam comment section is garbage of internet and I strongly disagree. The fact is TH-cam comment section is packed with more wisdom then then any other social media. The best part of TH-cam comment section is it is full of wisdom and gems of wisdom. Under each comment section of TH-cam video about spirituality,science,existentialism,metaphysics,philosophy(i dont include religion theology) you will find more wisdom then the video itself. It's almost feels like the layman in comment section are more wise and full of wisdom then the spiritual masters,philosophers,and gurus,monks and swamis. 🤣
In my opinion you hit the nail on the head. I have seen some of the most insightful comments on this very platform for sure! But sadly most creators do not engage with their audience in this way🙏🙏🙏
Yeah it’s easier to be real when ur not trying to defend a mental image of urself
@user-kh6ud6xi5e what you mean. Can you explain it clearly.
@@silenttriubutetosilentmoun4293 mental self image is ego, it is not you
@@silenttriubutetosilentmoun4293 I agree! That is because God is Light. Wherever Light falls something will grow! All Life in Nature bends towards the Light. Each of us is a piece of the Light from God. We are Light Beings. When we get enough Light we can become enlightened. When enough Light is concentrated in Nature we experience Life. When enough Life is concentrated we get to experience the Love of the Creator. Light ✨Life ✨Love ✨🌈♥️😊🫶 it’s all the same :)
I would like to talk but I see no point, everyone knows everything.
good point! ♥♥♥
Lama I am very thankful for you and your channel. I want to tell you that you have the wrong impression of Jiddu Krishnamurti. I have heard you mention him whenever you bring up bad teachers. Please simply read a synopsis of his life. Jiddu was someone who was groomed to be the leader of a huge cult from childhood- possibly the biggest in the West at the time, meant to have the grandiose title of "The World Teacher". What he did was he totally rejected that power, authority and influence, along with accepting the disappointment he would inevitably bring to thousands including his new foster family who took care of him. He went on living in poverty for years only to end up becoming a speaker. I have met people who knew him both in person and online. He was nothing more than a humble man who wanted people to be not constrained by their minds and not see them divided between each other over differences of beliefs. I cannot make sense of why you would compare such a man who has done no harm in his lifetime to anybody, to essentially a lighter Khamenei-style supreme ruler figurehead of a religious terrorist group. Please also know that K used words he self-defined. He referred to himself as "the speaker" in the third person as to not make himself above others. This is nothing more than negating an ad-hominem, essentially, as he wanted people to pay attention to what was being said irrelevant to who has said it. Krishnamurti's intent was always for people to explore ideas for themselves rather than accept them because of the authority of the person delivering. To him, if he called himself a "teacher" he would have to say he "knows" everything. He wanted people to learn alongside him, so he would lay out the question, break their terms, explain what the terms mean to him, then reach a logical conclusion. Please don't get confused like many people do by his approach. I heard that you also found it puzzling that he was "against meditation." He wasn't. I'd know, I read his book on it. He talks about what meditation isn't, rather than what is because he says most people know it wrong. This is not the place to talk about this. If you like I can get in touch with you via email. Thank you so much for reading if you did Lama. Hoping to learn more with you and from you.
As I said in several videos I respect JK, and I have never said he was bad, but he wasn't enlightened and as an ordinary being was subject to worldly faults like the rest of us ♥🧡🧡
@@ultimatemeaning I do not know if we can claim to "know" if anyone is enlightened. I suppose we could contrast people to a concept of it. He would say such titles are unnecessary and I'm sure he called himself an ordinary man and a nobody plenty of times so there is no reason to dispute that. I think a humble person would turn down that title anyway. He was enlightened about many things, as so are good philosophers and writers. There are a few things I disagree with him on. For example, I do not believe he understood regular people or his audience too well, which may have caused him some frustration. He was freer than anyone but that frustration came from the only thing he seemed to care about which was to help people with his speeches. He was passionate and he didn't berate anyone or anything although he would get impatient sometimes. I can respect that passion regardless. And I don't see you being too different in this regard either by the way and I say that with admiration. You certainly care about this channel and reaching an audience, for example. I personally find you charismatic as well. You also use sensational words in your titles and speech, like escaping the mundane world and reaching the ultimate truth etc. These are not inherently bad things. I do not wish to be someone who becomes totally indifferent. I am personally not clear where the thin thread lies between caring with passion and not being what you would call "ordinary". All I am saying is that I would consider this critique video much better if you didn't compare JK to Osho as I still believe that is wholly misguided and a little disrespectful, considering the criminal Osho and his organization was. I am sure you wouldn't like to be compared to him either. In your video talking about JK you also said you didn't listen to him for too long but I don't know if you did later on. I would just guess not. But it is true that he isn't for most people. Most people I met at his retreat centres doesn't understand him much either. I guess my mind aligned with his style so I learned a decent amount.
@@altaydogahan342 thank you very much for your comment. It's always appreciated when people take the time to write these long and sincere comments full of years of knowledge. I just want to say thank you and it's appreciated ☺️ Thank you for your knowledge
May I ask, are there any more of these casual buddhist/spiritual youtubers you may recommend? I'm on the search, I only know of very very few really good ones
@@ultimatemeaninganyone who knows God as Goodness and shares that God✨Goodness with others is an enLightened Be✨ing in my eyes. They enLIGHTen others on what is good….what is good always brings forth more Life.. An enlighten person who remembers their Divinity and shares that Divinity with others to improve Life. JK was absolutely an enlightened being as he was doing God’s work…which is to bring forth more Life into this World ✨🌈🍀
You should read his commentary on Buddha. You will get better understanding. Netflix made a poor documentary on him. He is a dimond, this world has ever produced.
You can say some truths and still be a terrible person. This was Osho. Don't be fooled by fake teachers. Please find an authentic one. If you cannot see why from this video alone that he was a hypocrite and a liar, then I think you have some soul searching to do.
The only quote I have read is that he saw the Buddha's view to be the highest and beyond what his students could comprehend. But Osho said a lot of things, it doesn't mean that he believes them. ♥♥♥
@@ultimatemeaningyou are judging a person's life work through a mere quote, some sensational interviews and a poorly made suspicious documentary. Also you juddge a person by his looks, don't know how to take this, sadhu sadhu sadhu🙏🙏
There aren't any true masters outside of the self. The master resides within and guides the self. The self vanishes when the master appears.
This is true friend!
The friend is in all of us
Pardon my ignorance, but why would you say Osho was a drug addict? I can only see the Divine in his eyes. It's sad that he let Sheela and others ruin his commune.
I don't agree with some of his teaching, but he is as enlightened as any human can get in my opinion.
Yeah that accusation is a bit steep...i noticed it too
Several of Osho’s closest pupils from that period have stated that he was taking valium and nitrous oxide on a daily basis during his time in Oregon.
@CrazyLinguiniLegs I find that difficult to believe, but anything is possible. However, if that was the case, there was something they saw in him that was beyond the body-mind construct that kept them there.😬😬😬
@@willcharlt1993 oh, certainly. Osho’s charisma was off the charts. After 20 years, I still don’t know what to make of him. If nothing else, he was an immensely interesting and insightful individual.
I used to be a musician and spent much of my life surrounded by people on drugs. The signs are obvious. For example when he went into custody he had 3 weeks to sober up and the contrast was striking. ♥♥♥
Anyone who claims to be " enlightened" is 100% certainly not, this is a easy way to tell the crooks from the genuine. Peope who claim their personal guru is enlightened are in a delusion , after all how could they possibly know .
Yeah and generally self proclaimed enlightened beings are sociopathic narcissists.
Thank your for your analysis and thoughts on this matter. A lovely watch. Excited to hear more from you.
I would refute that Sheila was in any way a close student of Osho, he said himself that Sheila never even meditated or followed the teachings. I haven't watched the film so cant comment on it's accuracy in all points. I think the downfall could have been that Osho invited all and sundry to take Sanyas when clearly there were some like Sheila totally unsuited to that path.
@Not.Two.nonduality001 I totally agree. But non screening was part of his teaching. He taught that humans "stucked in physical survival" will never understand and gravitate to his teaching. Therefore, most of his sanyasins were either ethnic Europeans or ethnic Asians.
Osho was very naive about human nature and he knew everything was falling apart that's why he wanted to commit suicide ♥♥♥
@@willcharlt1993 I don't see any clear message in anything Osho taught, I mean he read many books and used those words in his own teachings, but fundamentally he was very bitter and resentful ♥♥♥
@ultimatemeaning It is amazing how we humans could "perceive" a person, a teaching, or a concept (the same) and view it 180° from perceiver to perceiver.
Donald J. Trump is a very good example. In my opinion, he's a scoundrel, narcissist, conman, and a perpetual liar. To others, he's a messiah. I see Osho as a very awaken teacher, but he still had shadow aspects that grew as he grew spiritually. My opinions only.
@@willcharlt1993 And I do appreciate you opinion and sincerity too! Thank you for sharing ♥♥♥
Thank you man, you have killed me slightly and I mean it in the best way possible. I should listen to you when I become too arrogant.
Thank you friend it is refreshing to meet people who are self aware ♥♥♥
😂😂😂😂 at 6:10 I died. I've seen this in different areas. Even a guy I worked with, called himself Mr Philosopher, he would try to talk that way
Unrelated, but will you ever do a video about Jonestown and The Manson Family? I'd love to see your takes on them.
I mentioned a bit about Manson in a previous video, and an old friend of mine used to visit him in prison, so I know a bit about him. Jonestown is such a sad story, and I think Rajneesh could have gone a similar direction (we know Osho wanted to commit suicide) but luckily Sheela bailing out caused an internal collapse before that could happen ♥♥♥
To be "enlightened" is to also call out the bull$%it! Thank-you. I think I shall subscribe.
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That’s what Jesus did
Kung Fu Panda 4 is Goated. Great video as always.
The greatest lesson for me here is that to wear crazy clothes, proclaim abundance and drive in a Rolls Royce or to proclaim humility, wear your ¨uniform¨ and walk barefoot can both be ego.
At the end, of note, is that to my knowledge, his material goods were gifts, and he didn't ask for them, or own them. He decided to accept their use to be a guru to wealthy people and increase the reach of his teachings because there was a demand for them at the time. I mean, Rajneesh was just a poor indian guy, and then others elevated him. I'm not sure if it's fair to say that is blameworthy. I am going to review again, but as far as i know, he enjoyed N2O from the dentist, but am not sure that it's fair to say that he was addicted to drugs. Same with Krishnamurti. I do not guess that they devised methods to acquire power or had dictatorial control. People have to tolerate the people around them until they decide to be forcefully assertive about never returning.
Sure, that;s always possible.
Lama, thank you for sharing your thoughts. I am curious what you think of “famous spiritual leaders of the west” such as Alan Watts and Ram Dass. I have been been inspired by them at points in my life, but to your point, the behavior of some of their followers sometimes leave me a bit unsettled. It’s hard to know who to believe, especially if what they say makes a lot of sense to you.
I would need to do more research as I am not familiar with many Western teachers, but so far I suspect that Watts was a hedonist- but I haven't made my mind up on this matter yet?
I don't know anything about Ram Das so I can't really comment at this time ♥♥♥ Thanks for the suggestions
This guy is not enlightened at all. He is judgmental and contradicts himself multiple times.
But still, we need to have compassion for him because when we engage in negative acts the consequences reverberate throughout multiple lifetimes we are all the same in that we are trapped in the ocean of Samsara, and I hope that one day all beings will be liberated from this predicament♥♥🧡
There is only one teaching Osho had - silence. Silence between words. Words doesn't really matter.
Why was he so vocal ? 😂
I've always hated cult leaders. L. Ron Hubbard, founder of the cult the Church of Scientology, claimed to be Maitreya Buddha. He was an awful piece of work. Good video and Namo Amitabha.
Interesting story. Hubbard came up with the idea for the Church of Scientology as part of a drunken bet with his friends on who could rule the world first. Very cynical!
@ultimatemeaning common belief, but there's no evidence for it being *that* malicious. He's quoted as saying "if you want to make money, start a religion", which is an observation anyone can make, but he only started a religion after his Dianetics scam had taken off - he took the Scientology name for his post-Dianetics scam after losing the rights to Dianetics to his creditors in 1951. Scientology took up "the religion angle" as Hubbard called it in an early publication, to avoid being charged with practicing medicine without a license. Jon Atack writes well about it in "Let's Sell These People A Piece of Blue Sky", and Russell Miller in "Bare-Faced Messiah", both good reads if you do that kind of worldly thing.
@@ultimatemeaning common belief, but there's no evidence for it being that malicious. He's quoted as saying "if you want to make money, start a religion", which is an observation anyone can make, but he only started a religion after his Dianetics scam had taken off - he took the Scientology name for his post-Dianetics scam after losing the rights to Dianetics to his creditors in 1951. Scientology took up "the religion angle" as Hubbard called it in an early publication, to avoid being charged with practicing medicine without a license. Jon Atack writes well about it in "Let's Sell These People A Piece of Blue Sky", and Russell Miller in "Bare-Faced Messiah", both good reads if you do that kind of worldly thing.
"cult" "cult" "cult"
Y'all rambling is so funny. People who today calls Osho a "Cult" would have called Buddha a "Greatest cult".
@@aaradhyarawat7589 the Buddha never had multi-million dollar mega mansions or assassination plots. Mind your business.
Thank you for saying ''too much''.
Great vid as always, Lama. Thank you for helping us develop and think criticality. 🙏💚
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Also I'm sure this will be controversial but if he's correct which I think he is, Archaix is the most important teacher in the present time for one reason. The Phoniex. Archaix isn't correct about everything but the Phoniex is one of the most important things I've ever heard.
OK I haven't heard of these teachers thanks for sharing ♥♥♥
I love your videos but this particular ones gave me chills! Let me give you some digital hug 🫂, thank you!
Oh thanks friend that is sweet of you♥♥♥
I sincerely hope that you don't get mad or sad, but was watching your videos about Krishnamurti that got me interested in his teachings. Today I think that he helps me a lot, as do you.
Why on earth would that make me sad. If you have been benefited it is a source of happiness my friend. ♥
The problem with you is you are thinking a lot and not feel his words, I actually see his blessings and no need to listen to him. It is enough for an image of him appears in my mind, the blessings.
I do feel his words they feel like heroine ♥♥♥
@ I don’t care about what he says, even if he says something very controversial. What about his presence? Do you experienced whatsoever before talking about an enlightened being?
@@ultimatemeaning the heroine is simply a symptom. it is a drug released by your own body responding to the contradictions. it is you being pulled like a shadow. all your criticism becomes part of that. it is inevitable. for or against it does not matter. the fact that you believe you can make osho into an enemy, is simply because you do not relate to him directly. even if you cut his head, it will not matter. osho was surrounded by enemies and friends who did not understand his message.
@@Bharata.112u are clinging too much on another being
@@matus1124 I am clinging to the truth, not on an object. Did you ate anything today?
Thank you for this talk ❤. Osho has always been iffy. Says many smart spiritual things, but basically it is all curated from other places.
Lana I would love if you could make a video about identifying great spiritual teachers. I feel that when it comes to the Buddha dharma and spirituality, it becomes so much more powerful, when the teacher embodies the things they are trying to teach. Thich Nhat Hanh, Dalai Lama and lama Zopa just to name a few. Since I started practicing I have a hard time following the guidance or a teaching, if I get the feeling that the teacher simply repeat a teaching of the Buddha but seem to lack the conduct of a kind and well meaning person.
Yes, friend, anyone can say smart things, just open a book and repeat.
Here is a playlist of videos about finding a true mentor:
th-cam.com/play/PLu8Rw0r4aAhQo5P8QsHxcvkIE6NHA-Qsn.html
@@ultimatemeaning Thank you so much!
This monk speaks the truth.
Om shanti shanti shanti
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Write him off. His actions in Oregon are enough to earn our dismissal and rejection.
Well I finally made up my mind (thanks to the help of an old friend) after years of giving him a pass
He h8ed conservarives. The clash was inevitable
Hey do you know teacher Vishrant? He was a sanyassin of Osho. Maybe you could ask him things you wanna know.
He is very active here on YT. Gives online satsangs etc, technically for free. He Realized in the presence of Osho, I think. There's also footage of him asking questions to Osho in satsang. There are also some videos of him talking about Osho.
Vasantha Swaha was also an Osho sanyassin I think. He and Vishrant did two videos together
OH I've heard this name, thanks for the tip I will look him up ♥♥♥ Oh yeah I saw an old interview with him and Osho.
The Buddha was cradling his head, so a follower asked does the Buddha have a head ache? The Buddha said that he stepped on a thorn once, and even using all of his enlightened powers, could not excape the thorn. The moral is that one can not run away from their problems. If one lost all sense of self concern, it would not make the suffering stop, but allow room for acceptance of suffering, in turn allowing us to have access to the beauty and peace. What do you think of psychological alchemy? I think it can bring out the beauty in the things others would consider suffering.
It was that one can not escape karma, there is a difference ♥♥♥
I picked up from his brother that 'he lived as an enlightened person for one day' and that really got me thinking 🤔🤔🤔
Interesting, I guess this is the same celebrity awakening that Jim Carrey had? ♥♥♥
As your channel name suggests, that's Samsara. I have no problem with your opinions. I don't even care about Osho although I used to find him funny sometimes. But my question is who or what has authority to issue a certificate for enlightenment? I can't find any.
I have a recommendation for a topic to talk about. I would like to hear your thoughts about ritual and what it means to you.
great idea thanks ♥♥♥
Thank you for the video ❤
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I read Hugh Millne(sp) book titled 'Baghwan, The God that failed' and in the book Hugh mentions that he once visited Osho's family and they asked him 'Does Mohan(Osho) still like to use hypnosis on people?'
Osho said "hypnosis is the best meditation" and based on this statement I could see immediately that he did not understand the meaning of "meditation" ♥♥♥
Swami Prabhupada's take on the Bhagavad Gita has helped me to find the transition from book learning to personal application of knowledge. He's dead, but his purports are written as if he was personally there attempting to share and explain as a teacher and not just an author.
How wonderful, thank you for sharing your story ♥♥♥
Seems to me that some of the behaviours of certain gurus (and their disciples) to which you object might have their roots in the Baghavad Gita, where "holy war" is sanctioned.
This is not to say that I disapprove of the Baghavad Gita; I think it is a remarkable religious text and very much worth reading and pondering
(Gandhi, after all, praised it highly and based his actions on it's teaching).
You will find many suitable examples in the ancient scriptures, and these in turn can be interpreted in countless ways, but if there is obvious dissonance between those words and your own conduct, that raises a red flag for me. ♥♥♥
I belive a big part of Osho's magnetism was his ASMR inducing voiceeeeee...
Yes, his hypnotic voice put his followers into a trance and they liked switching off. Jim Jones had a similar "gift" as did Krishnamurti. Sadly Osho and Jones used this power for the wrong reasons 😥
@@ultimatemeaning his voice still put people in trance. Even if they relaise his voice is hypnotic and put them in trance. They just can't help themselves. They just can't get enough of him.🤣🤣
@ultimatemeaning Osho is no Jim Jones by any stretch. Jones was psychopathic, narcissistic, "true believer," and nowhere close to enlightenment. Osho was very awakened, but still had a narcissistic shadow that wasn't quite integrated. This shadow grew unconsciously in his background and was unconsciously projected onto some of his students.
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I can feel your compassion even when there are clear issues at play. I commend that 🙏
I do feel sorry for Osho, it is clear that he regretted how things turned out and his wish to end his own life is a further sign of his fragility and desperation. ♥♥♥
You cannot feel what's not there.
Thanks for subjecting me to your rant. Much love.
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Sorry i am french so it might not be accurately expressed, 16th Karmapa said that Osho was a great tibetan teacher in the past, i failed to mention this…
Yes I believe the reasons why people are born with a silver tongue can be related to practice in a previous life time, in fact I am convinced of this fact when it comes to Osho, but until one has achieved irreversibility one is always susceptible to corruption.
And when it comes to the 16th Karmapa then he only spoke in Tibetan and was often miss quoted, so I would have to hear him speak to give you my opinion. If you know of a recording I can check it out ♥♥♥
Teachers aim to share knowledge, whereas these individuals aim to facilitate realisation
OK, thanks, haven't seen any evidence of his realised students but I guess it makes sense in theory at least ♥♥♥
Thank you for all that you do. Thank you for challenging my views, preaching the Dharma, and challenging others to investigate their own beliefs. 🙏
And thank you for keeping an open mind and thinking things through for yourself♥♥♥
Sheela was malignant, like a tumour. There are many of her kind in society today.
i like the way you air-quoted the term "students" when talking about Krishnamurti. It's as if his 'students' didn't care for the lesson... they just wanted the answers.
"His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb." - John 16
"It's like playing Mozart for particularly malignant children." - Andrew Ryan
"Give a thousand malignants a thousand typewriters, and a thousand years, and they might write Shakespeare." - Unknown
"All the world's a stage and all the men and women merely players." - Shakespeare
Meanwhile... the prophets (including Buddha, of course) have devised a plan so genius, so amazing, and so great, it is known as THE Great Work; elevate the strong so the strong may elevate the meek (referring to wisdom).
"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth" - Matthew
"Give me anything, good or bad... but strong." - Aleister Crowley
93 love/will 93
Thanks for the quotes friend ♥♥♥
@ultimatemeaning These are not just quotes; these are the quotes of the greats in their correct order, in the hopes that the deaf may learn to hear once again.
i am a philosopher; we predate the oldest of all the religions... and we are no fools.
93 = Thelema in the Greek practice of Isopsephy. 93 = Agape in the Greek practice of Isopsephy.
Thelema is the Greek word for Will.
Agape is the Greek word for Love.
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. There shall be no other law than do what thou wilt. Love is the law, love under will." - The Book of The Law by Aleister Crowley
"Give me anything, good or bad... but strong." - Aleister Crowley
Aleister Crowley was a philosopher and the last prophet. He was not just some guy spouting drivel.
Crowley has provided the world with a clear message if you have ears to hear: Do or Die. Become wise or be erased.
Philosophy literal definition = The love of wisdom.
"We speak, and now you will listen." - Esoterica of The Wise
93/93
@@hertzeauxduclaire7689 "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" Oh are you a Crowley fan?
@ultimatemeaning Yes, i am, but ALL of his works are open to interpretation, just like all the great works.
Do what thou wilt shall be half of the law. There shall be other laws than do what thou wilt. Love is the law, love over will.
We are no fools. Theology was based on our findings, including Buddha's. Although i heard Buddha said: "Don't make a religion out of me." - but his followers did so regardless.
i know it sounds like a bold and pretentious claim, but we philosophers have shaped the world since the agricultural revolution at the latest. We don't tell each other everything, though, unfortunately. ☹️
i implore anyone who reads this: please don't disregard what we say... for we can save you many troubles in the future. In Buddhism, i guess you would need to master Vipassana. Please correct me if i am wrong; i am no expert on Buddhism. i am a Western Esotericist (Hermetic / Thelemic Qabalah).
Namaste,
Actually in my past days I was following osho but later on suddenly I stopped listening to him, but parallally I was in touch with Sri ramakrishna ashram, and I follow Sri ramakrishna and swami vivekananda.....recently I started watching thich Nath hanh videos.... He is great teacher ji.... Could explain his teachings on rebirth and non self bit confusing but with the help of other videos I came to know he was enlightened like Ramana maharshi, budhdha... He teaching same thing
Thanks for sharing that Mano ♥♥♥
@@ultimatemeaning could you please explain the teaching of thich nhat hanh regarding rebirth or reincarnation
@@manojkumarn2464 Good idea, I will do a bit of research as there may be some difference with the general Zen interpretation
@@ultimatemeaning okay ji namaste
Osho is my favorite example of the inevitable disaster that samadhi without sila, sati without samma, guarantees.
Your insight is spot on my friend, but I will add one other caveat, and that is "it is dangerous to teach high views to those who are not ready for it"
Imagine if Osho was actually Manjusri in disguise oooooffttt. Maybe he's back for another round on Earth
Well if he IS then he will not be concerned about the criticism of others, that is for sure ♥♥♥
I 'd like to hear your opinion on this. Suppose a bodhisattva comes back to Earth would they be born via the womb or emanate physically. Now if they were born from the womb, would they also experience the same rules as us? Would they be born ignorant and experience life to get back to the bodhisattva state of being? Would their body experience suffering by having one foot in the mind and one foot in the no mind whilst relying on the 6 parramittas to not perceive the suffering?
And let's say one was to be enlightened , would it not take some time for the conditionings to melt away since it takes some time for physical changes to occur? If i remember correctly, as some point of his life he said "I'm not done yet" and went into silence again. If there is no teacher present, life experiences would be the teacher. And if the conditioning was so deep that one's awareness could not perceive it, then life would have to show it to you with a larger/more concrete example. Maybe a few criticism met a conditioning.
In my personal opinion the boddhisattva's that do come back recently have designed a life where they are able to demonstrate the human experience of coming home, to be perceived as equal and friends, and to abolish how humans think they are inferior to "more spiritually advanced beings" and to their imperfect-perfections (that we should ideally all feel from just existing).
"cult tendency to protect/shield the guru" that you mentioned is the trademark of vajrayana Buddhist communities. For example try to constructively criticize Dzongsar Kyentse Rinpoche (or any other), don't even thing about it because you will not get any logical reasoning from their students just irrational reactions and often anger too. And I am talking about rational type of criticism from the side of Buddhist practitioners themselves, not from anti spiritual folks. People are not mature in general, it's not only the case of Osho and theirs. Traditional guru culture doesn't work in the modern times (and why it should, other things can work, it's a culture thing) and actually Osho registered that but rarely some Lama's did even in 2024.
Yes agreed you see these signs everywhere, in Tibetan Buddhism, Christian mega churches, and Hindu Ashrams, that's why the signs are so obvious♥♥♥
You remember the "Buddha Boy" Ram Bahadur Bomjon who hit the news a fair few years ago? If you don't know about it - it's a real shocker to find out how his life panned out..!
Oh I would love to hear an update on this, because we heard about him in retreat but I haven't seen anything recently. Thanks for bringing my attention to this.
My initial impression about him almost 20 years ago was that he was a fraud and was suffering from mental illness. Also that his family was using him for fame and money.
Kinda seems like the movie samsara.
Much worse I'm afraid - he turned into a right piece of work! (allegedly) kidnapping, torture, murder, money laundering, temple desecration, all sorts! He was arrested some time back.
Great video!
Glad to have your vote of confidence Nicholas ♥♥♥
Thank you very much for this important vodeo ! My Zen practice is now very much imbued with the teachings of Chögyam Trungpa, specifically one of his students Pema Chödrön. I was not a little shocked when I recently learned a little more about Chögyam Trungpa's character, though it seems that in his case he may not have been such a good role model himself, but some of his disciples at least have done important work as bodhisattvas. Unfortunately, spiritual groups are a good breeding ground for narcissistic behavior and questionable character development, in my opinion this is largely due to the fact that spiritual teachers are often completely glorified, if this is encouraged by the teacher himself, one would do well to consider taking one's legs in one's hands. One reason why I only practiced in a sangha for the first 10 years and have now been practicing alone for about 16 years is that it is incredibly difficult to find an authentic and above all suitable teacher! But I think the old saying is not entirely wrong: “When the student is ready, the teacher is not far away!” and I have absolutely no time to lose, but I'm not in a hurry either!
It takes a spiritual narcissist to desire a flock of adoring disciples to pamper the ego. Someone truly interested in liberation would not want to be so burdened.
Yes James but they were all like children lost in the spiritual supermarket ♥♥♥
And about Sheela, she says today that she never believed in Osho. She got involved out of attraction to him.
Yeah, her own statements are all self contradictory, but this is just another sign of how she epitomises Osho's own "doctrine" where external appearances contradict inner beliefs. 🙏🙏🙏
great commentary thanks as always for your earnest candour, dear choga
Thanks Nina I am taking a bit of a risk here- don't want to offend people too much 💓
@@ultimatemeaning I appreciate so much coming from you - who has explored the continuum of duality and non-duality - the challenging question about "well if everything is god, then why are you trying to kill god, poison god" ... These are deep and stirring invocations from a pure honest soul such as yourself about the trite delusions people harbour, as well as the hypocrisy and disconnect between people's fashionable mimiced beliefs versus their actions. I love the way you walk your talk and analyse the sacred minutiae of life as an expression of values. And then to top it all off you still have room to lighten the mood with your eyeerolls listening to oshos's slurred speech on playback. Always room for play while cultivating perfection!!! Luv your presence. Keep on dear Choga!
@@ninaallchurch3101 hahaha you picked up on the eye rolls! I even had to speed up the dialogue because it was painfully slow, but his followers loved the way he lulled them into a state of trance ♥♥♥
Spot on analysis 🙌
Osho was brilliant and loved to give example of how corrupted masters end up ruining a ideology or even how a idelogy get twisted and corrupted he gave example karl marx,communism and communists,christianity and all the other s""t that went wrong. Osho lived to prove his own point by getting corrupted and hence proving that even him and his teaching and idelogy is not immune to corruptions of spirituality. He lived to make a example of himself and example of what he warned to others and he ended up making example out of him. Example of his own teaching of anti corrupting of ideologies by compromising them.
Either you die a hero or live long enough to see yourselves turning inti a villan.
The corrupt are into rituals, whereas the virtuous are spiritual.
Yes and in the end it was his mistaken ideology (and dogma) that failed him. But most lacking wisdom follow the same path. 🙏🙏🙏
@ultimatemeaning even his wisdom and experience failed to save him from himself.
even his wisdom and experience failed to save him fromhimself.
There are plenty of examples of people that don't get corrupted. Quite sad he ended up confused and corrupted himself.
@@EliseSecond islam,quran and Muhammad are not corrupted but they are products of most worse kind of corruption of humanity. There is nothing spiritual about ezlam to get corrupted. Ezlam itself is outcome of corruption of humanity.
Let me save you time, osho was a Buddha in the truest sense. He was absolutely enlightened and that’s why he’s so misunderstood. The documentary was a hit piece… all they did was interview the guilty. Osho was too far gone to know what was going on.
How do you know who or isn't " enlightened" ?
@@snowflakemelter1172 Buddhas have an energy field around them that literally blows your mind and pushes you into beingness (crown chakra opens). You’ll notice that monks and other spiritual leaders do not have this as they are still in the process of waking up so they can’t vibrate at enlightenment frequency. Just tune in.
Of course my friend it is wonderful that you have faith in your teacher ♥♥♥
@@ultimatemeaningthanks! Osho is just one of my many teachers along the path. He’s not around anymore but I found another awake teacher that Is alive so the work continues
Thanks for that. It certainly gave me some things to think about. I can see quite a bit of room for improvement for myself based on this talk.
Oh it was my pleasure 🙏🙏🙏
I don't know if this angle applies, but I want to write this out.
I have tried to reach ego death many times, and merely reached a state of confusion and bewilderment that got me into a sense of detachment, but also made it impractical to have a conversation with.
There is a stubbornness I adhere to that I want others to engage with, I do not mean harm or to infract, I have a presence and wish to engage with the world from my perspective.
And what I learned or noticed in my interactions, is that most people do not enjoy being dismantled in their social structures. Or being noticed in their upholding of appearances.
I don't know if this is relevant. But I want to share. And this is also for me a way to practice being vulnerable.
Ego death is not a easy as it sounds so please do not become disheartened. Also be wary of this sense of detachment that is like apathy, it is called Acedia, or the malady of monks, is a kind of nihilism, and has been warned of throughout the centuries ♥♥♥
@@ultimatemeaning Oh, very good to know that there is a word for that state of perception.
@@Megaboss_Bor Its a kind of nihilism ♥♥♥
@@ultimatemeaning yes, I want to care about the things and world around me, the philosophy of absurdism has been a paradigm that I strongly enjoy
@@Megaboss_Bor very important to "care" and not be "careless" ♥♥♥
🙏 Thank you for this enlightening talk about Osho Lama ji 😊 nothing surprising for me about this con man and his 93 Roll Royces. I wonder what happened with Sadhguru's wife, a bit disturbing I reckon. Also not at the same scale, I put Tolle somewhere there on the list. An opportunistic entrepreneur jumping on the bandwagon of spirituality at the right moment of time, charging big money to middle class people to go to retreat meditation. Clever man 😊
With loving kindness 💜
Tat twam asi 🙏 🕉️ 📿