When you put ALL your eggs in one basket! When you trust greedy corporations and expect them to be “nice”. Used ESXi for 12+ years and was happy enough (wanted hourly snapshots), but last year, I saw/felt where things were going and decided to only use Open Source for all critical tasks. Took a deeper look and ended with KVM + ZFS and very happy with it and now I have hourly snapshots, plus last 2 days of actual vm clones ready to go, replication to other servers and can script it all. But you do need people that actually understand Linux, Networking, Software (incl coding/compiling) and yes, hardware too.
The "we don't know what we don't know" comment resonates with a lot of engineers, right now. I've been using VMware since 08, when Telco companies started going virtual, and I don't have much exposure to anything else. We're all going to be kicking the tires of different hypervisors in the next couple of years to prepare for the mass corporate exodus.
One other note: I don't see on premise VM going away anytime soon, period. Too many clients I have are that way for obvious reasons: you have areas where the total bandwidth to the internet is less than 50Mb/s. There is no possible way they can support warehouse software, engineering software, and graphics design software on limited bandwidth at the same t ime, combined with a WiFi network for scan guns/etc. When we talk about the options available in the marketspace, we have to recognize how many markets in the US do not have the bandwidth required, but still have key needs where VM is crucial to their functionality.
Many places prefer capex to opex too. TCO is lower for on prem period. Any company that’s thinking ahead and isn’t a live fast/die fast company, should probably stay on prem for most workloads.
I see this breaking into two or three types of clients: Large enterprise is too invested in VMware to move away, so they will stay. Mid/Large but under the "large enterprise" - Hyper-V is probably the way to go. They already own the DC licensing for their vSphere environments, and for base feature set (VMs, templates, HA, Load-Balancing, VM and Storage migration online, etc...) Hyper-V + System Center Virtual Machine Manager is equivalent to VMware. Below that level, I see a lot of companies going towards xcp-ng and proxmox.
There are many companies in countries in which cloud solution are just not feasible as the infrastructure to connect doesn't give you the confidence to operate purely in the cloud.
Great discussion guys, im on an internal it team and we are going from VMWare to Azure and a mix of proxmox. Promox locally for location specific vm deployments, azure for our enterprise spanning services. Not sure how I feel about that direction though, Azure is going to be more expensive than I think the buisness is estimating. No more one off projects quickly deployed on a vm, instead its....how much is it going to cost to run a month lol. We'll see what happens.
Great job everyone. I'm an old fart too. I implemented probably the first virtual production environment here on the central coast.(2004 ish). It turned out to be ESX (which ran on RedHat at the time) only because Xen and Linux KVM) didn't support windows vm's. All of the work leading up to that was the result of me traching myself in my homelab. I've been a Linux KVM user for a long time now in the homelab and some companies. Currently about to jump onto the xcp-ng bandwagon because the majority of Linux KVM support comes out of RedHat and I'm not sure where their heading 😢 thanks to IBM
This is one of those topics that I'm wondering if we should bring up to our elected officials. Like can this actually be legal? I think M&A is fine but, the outcome is supposed to better than the original situation. This is more extortion than anything else. Want to get rid of the free stuff. OK. Want to sell off pieces that aren't making money. OK. Want to raise the price of the core technology that is making money. OK, everyone does that. But, this is not within any reason. 10-15 even 25% increase would have been "acceptable". No one would like it. But, you really would have not want to move off of it. Because your have a lot of the products they make. They are WAY WAY past that as an increase. And that should be stopped.
Tom is not old. He's seasoned! 🙂
When you put ALL your eggs in one basket!
When you trust greedy corporations and expect them to be “nice”.
Used ESXi for 12+ years and was happy enough (wanted hourly snapshots), but last year, I saw/felt where things were going and decided to only use Open Source for all critical tasks.
Took a deeper look and ended with KVM + ZFS and very happy with it and now I have hourly snapshots, plus last 2 days of actual vm clones ready to go, replication to other servers and can script it all.
But you do need people that actually understand Linux, Networking, Software (incl coding/compiling) and yes, hardware too.
Or they can use ProxMox as it's really KVM under the hood.
The "we don't know what we don't know" comment resonates with a lot of engineers, right now. I've been using VMware since 08, when Telco companies started going virtual, and I don't have much exposure to anything else. We're all going to be kicking the tires of different hypervisors in the next couple of years to prepare for the mass corporate exodus.
I like to call them the unknown unknowns, coined by Donald Rumsfeld
Guys, thanks a lot for sharing this.
One other note: I don't see on premise VM going away anytime soon, period. Too many clients I have are that way for obvious reasons: you have areas where the total bandwidth to the internet is less than 50Mb/s. There is no possible way they can support warehouse software, engineering software, and graphics design software on limited bandwidth at the same t ime, combined with a WiFi network for scan guns/etc. When we talk about the options available in the marketspace, we have to recognize how many markets in the US do not have the bandwidth required, but still have key needs where VM is crucial to their functionality.
Many places prefer capex to opex too. TCO is lower for on prem period. Any company that’s thinking ahead and isn’t a live fast/die fast company, should probably stay on prem for most workloads.
I see this breaking into two or three types of clients: Large enterprise is too invested in VMware to move away, so they will stay. Mid/Large but under the "large enterprise" - Hyper-V is probably the way to go. They already own the DC licensing for their vSphere environments, and for base feature set (VMs, templates, HA, Load-Balancing, VM and Storage migration online, etc...) Hyper-V + System Center Virtual Machine Manager is equivalent to VMware. Below that level, I see a lot of companies going towards xcp-ng and proxmox.
There are many companies in countries in which cloud solution are just not feasible as the infrastructure to connect doesn't give you the confidence to operate purely in the cloud.
Great discussion guys, im on an internal it team and we are going from VMWare to Azure and a mix of proxmox. Promox locally for location specific vm deployments, azure for our enterprise spanning services. Not sure how I feel about that direction though, Azure is going to be more expensive than I think the buisness is estimating. No more one off projects quickly deployed on a vm, instead its....how much is it going to cost to run a month lol. We'll see what happens.
Jeeeesus Eric Hanson was still in bed and Jackie Putman needs to upgrade his 56k modem ,Norm Legare couldn’t care less was always gone.
Great job everyone. I'm an old fart too. I implemented probably the first virtual production environment here on the central coast.(2004 ish). It turned out to be ESX (which ran on RedHat at the time) only because Xen and Linux KVM) didn't support windows vm's. All of the work leading up to that was the result of me traching myself in my homelab. I've been a Linux KVM user for a long time now in the homelab and some companies. Currently about to jump onto the xcp-ng bandwagon because the majority of Linux KVM support comes out of RedHat and I'm not sure where their heading 😢 thanks to IBM
they must not deal with the manufacture space. on prem everything, tape, it's all there
This is one of those topics that I'm wondering if we should bring up to our elected officials. Like can this actually be legal? I think M&A is fine but, the outcome is supposed to better than the original situation. This is more extortion than anything else. Want to get rid of the free stuff. OK. Want to sell off pieces that aren't making money. OK. Want to raise the price of the core technology that is making money. OK, everyone does that. But, this is not within any reason. 10-15 even 25% increase would have been "acceptable". No one would like it. But, you really would have not want to move off of it. Because your have a lot of the products they make. They are WAY WAY past that as an increase. And that should be stopped.
Wish you would have covered the vcpp providers that got dropped in the change. VMware is forcing the providers under 3500 cores to forklift.
Why wouldn't a company wring billions out of the market if they could?
Why people eat and chew in front of cameras … very impolite
Anybody keeping an eye on distributed cloud solutions like azure stack HCI, google distributed edge?
WTF is up with Eric H?
BSD Berkley is POSIX,bind is made by posix , so broadcom,brocade,avago is nothing when BSD degrate the chip, nothing runs, simple,
So many of these guys look like it's the first time they have been on camera.
Nah, they're all smart enough to not have to care.
I thought the same. But they are all among know people and friends, and just don't care.
Tom is KING