Why I don't read young adult fiction (YA) - a discussion
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I totally get your points. The issue with Young Adult Fiction is that a lot of people tend to get stuck in the "genre". Italo Calvino wrote a beautiful essay called "Why read the classics?" that cross my mind whenever someone argues 'against classics'. For those who haven't read, the essay was published in a book of the same title. Thanks!
Wait there are people who argue against reading classics????
I grew out of Booktube because I was getting interested in more adult and mature books and almost every booktuber still reads only YA and it's frustrating because I'm way younger than them and I have zero interests in YA anymore.
Check out BookishPrincess; she reads mostly classics. I always wondered how Booktubers read â50+ books in one year!â and then I read some YA books & found out how easy of a task that was.
the fact that almost every booktuber talks exclusively about YA is the reason why I watch your videos (when I can understand them, that is haha). You discuss interesting and diverse books. Thanks to you, I'm browsing the middle eastern, french, and classic sections of the libraries
The top booktubers are sponsored by those book publishers so they get free books in exchange for good reviews
looking for book recs is so difficult when the space is FLOODED with YA. itâs not that iâm looking down on it but the genre is so predictably and bland now that iâm in my 20ies I feel like Iâve read and seen it all. I canât find anything outside of it and itâs frustrating
To name a few, Iâd recommend the channels â *emmie* â, âBetter Than Foodâ, âCarolyn Marie Readsâ and âEmma Angelineâ
I understand you saying that when you read YA you don't get introduced to Literature but I do think this depends on the goal you have when you read. For instance, my stepmom also reads a lot, but she only reads crime books. The reason why she doesn't read anything else is because her goal is to relax, to have an adventure. Whereas my goal is to read widely, broadly, diversely. I think many of the YA readers here also start with just reading for their pleasure and some will go on reading to learn more or to broaden their horizons. It's the same with movies: many people go to the movies but you have entertaining movies and you have more intellectual movies. Many people go to the movies just for pleasure, they don't go to see how the lighting is, the directing, ... that's for the people who adore movies, who want to learn more from it, who want to deep dive.
You are a reader that wants to learn as much as you can, that's why you read so diiferently zn dhave a different research strategy.
I find it great that so many people are reading more, whether it is YA or crime or whatever. reading is great and I don't want to downtalk anyone that reads.
I think you're looking at this from a single perspective. You are someone who lives for literature, and you care deeply about learning every detail there is to know about literature. As a teacher and someone who is on their way to obtaining a phd, you are very different from the average person reading fiction, and especially YA. Some people read because they care about the characters and the stories. They don't care about the morals behind the character's choices, or how this text will affect the world in 20 years. They only care about the relationships in the books, the story surrounding the characters, and the t-shirts they can buy that proves they are fans. Which is totally fine. You're reading for a totally different reason than what most people who read YA are. You read to learn. They read to escape their own lives, and to experience a different world within the book for the sake of it. I think YA readers are mostly fans of the authors and the characters create. And I think they are more so into sharing an experience with friends they wouldn't have otherwise, whereas someone like you values intent, morality, definition, and world impact. Both forms of reading are fine in my opinion. I guess it comes down to purely entertainment vs knowledge. There's a little bit of both in either choice, but YA is almost all entertainment whereas classics and other literature is largely knowledge with a healthy dose of entertainment. But this is just how I see it.
I read YA (and other genres) for both reasons--but for me it's entertainment second, "knowledge" first. I love to analyze every part of literature, I don't care if it's YA or historical fiction, etc.
I read books purely for entertainment, I have ADD etc, Iâve never been big into school and I learn better through a video format, so books (when I read them) are purely entertainment or they donât get my attention. Iâve read like less than 15 books my entire life and I know like every title of every book and they were all fiction (YA I do believe, some Middle School). I donât care about literature the same as anyone else does.
Creativity that satisfies & affirms your world view is Entertainment. Creativity that challenges & disrupts your world view is Art.
pip HARD disagree. This is a very Western Capitalist view of what makes art.
Tori Ashley Matos could you expand on that?
I get the appeal of YA, but I do not understand why someone would read only that when there is so much more out there! Are they not even curious?? The classics I've read have enriched my life in tremendous ways.
I would rather read pynchons gravity's rainbow once than read a 100 young adult books.
Cause classics aint for me and i prefer YA books. That doesnt make me less cultarally rich than you.
@@artemis3822 But isn't it reading for pure entertainment then ? YA books don't push you enough to challenge your critical thinking and analysis. You should read 'how to read a book'. It's a great books on reading (about 400 pages). Search it on z lib.
@@artemis3822 Yes it does actually.
My theory is that it has something to do with the decline of teaching poetry, at least in the US. The popularity of YA among adults seems to be part of a larger trend of contemporary literature becoming increasingly focused on genre fiction devices like plot and character and less focused on literary devices like musicality and metaphor. Content has definitely overtaken style
i feel like those ya readers who claim to only read ya because of their diversity have never bothered themselves to look for classics who aren't american/british or simply written by white authors.
YA can be a 'gateway drug' into better fiction for many teens. It gets them hooked and as they get older, they'll read some of the classics. So it's a good thing. Many teens would be put off reading by something like Crime & Punishment because they'd get frustrated and bored. But once they've read a bit more widely and had more experience of the world, they'll get it. It's analogous to the way that some people are put off reading or watching Shakespeare by the way it's taught in schools. You really need to be older to appreciate it fully, but many people never go back to it. Which is quite a tragedy.
Gateway? It's not working.
Peut-Être que les adultes qui ne lisent que de la YA, le font parce pour eux la lecture n'a qu'un but de "divertissement".
Ce n'est pas le mÊme domaine mais parce exemple concernant les films je regarde 90% du temps des films fantastiques/science-fiction/super-hÃĐros/horreur etc. Mon but quand je regarde un film est seulement d'Être divertie (je ne cherche ni de la profondeur, ni de la rÃĐflexion). J'ai dÃĐjà regardÃĐ du cinema d'auteur et il y a de trÃĻs bon films mais gÃĐnÃĐralement ils ne coÃŊncident pas avec ce que je "recherche" lorsque je regarde un film. Je pense que c'est un peu la mÊme chose avec les gens qui ne lisent que ce type de livres ðĪ·ðŧââïļ Que leur but aprÃĻs une grosse journÃĐe est de relaxer en lisant un petit livre tranquille et pas de "se prendre la tÊte" en lisant du Zola (mÊme si c'est un trÃĻs bon ÃĐcrivain selon moi).
PREACH!!!
Je trouve que lire Zola c'est relaxant perso ^^ C'est sÃŧrement une question d'ÃĐducation aussi, de milieu socio-culturel... Si on a l'habitude de lire un peu de tout depuis trÃĻs jeune on arrive plus facilement à lire des classiques, à les lire aussi bien en lecture "dÃĐtente" qu'en lecture analytique.
Que ce soit en littÃĐrature ou en cinema je trouve que c'est dommage de se limiter à une catÃĐgorie dâÅuvres, une "posture" de spectateur/lecteur. C'est passer à cÃītÃĐ de plein dâÅuvres magnifiques...
Maud Je suis pas vraiment d'accord concernant le milieu socio-cu ^^ Je pense qu'il en va de la curiositÃĐ personnel, que chacun peut dÃĐvelopper indÃĐpendamment de son milieu socio-cu .
J'aime beaucoup Zola, je trouve ses oeuvres touchantes mais je ne suis pas spÃĐcialement "dÃĐtendu", pas autant que je pourrais l'Être en lisant Harry Potter mettons. Mais je ne vois pas ça comme une mauvaise chose.
Et aussi j'ai vraiment pas (mais alors pas du tout) l'impression de louper quoi que ce soit en ne regardant que certains type de films ðĪ·ðŧââïļ Aussi je trouve que ce sont les personnes avec des goÃŧts plus ÃĐclectiques (en cinÃĐma pour moi par exemple) chez qui j'ai sentie le plus de condescendance. Genre "T'as des goÃŧts pourris en films", t'as moins de culture, etc.. Non j'ai juste des goÃŧts diffÃĐrents et je me permettrais jamais de faire ce genre de rÃĐflexion à qqn personnellement ð
Peut-Être pour Antastesia, câest la mÊme situationðĪdoes she have any videos about her favorite movies?
@@maud3676 encore une fois chacun ses goÃŧts
Hi Antastesia,
Thank you for all your valid points. I, like you, don't read YA, for similar reasons. I don't think I ever have. I loved Harry Potter as a kid (still do!), and as an adult but I don't consider it YA but children's literature. I'm not a voracious reader nor do I read as widely as you, although I am making efforts to read more.
One thing I would say is that reading anything is almost always better than not reading at all. It will enrich your vocabulary, your expression and your imagination.
When I was a kid I felt like I was sociaized into not reading comic books because it was "not serious".
No one really stopped me from reading comic books, but I felt like there was a social stigma to it perpetrated mostly by adults.
It's possible I internalized a few negative comments and blew it out of proportion. Nevertheless it prevented me from reading comics. Although I owned comics, and had access to many at my school library, I rarely read them. And it's one of my biggest regrets because I noticed that so many great writers and directors were inspired by comics and stories they read as children.
This made me come to the conclusion that if you don't feed your imagination as a child by reading a ton, and allowing yourself to be creative, it's almost too late when you start as an adult because you don't have a deep well of inspiration that most people acquire young through the books and comics they read in childhood. Again I am hope I am wrong on this. Nevertheless I've decided to read children's classics now.
I have a question for you in regards to children's literature. Do you agree with the following C.S. Lewis quote:
_âA childrenâs story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good childrenâs story in the slightest.â_
And would you say the same thing about YA?
thank you for your comment.
I absolutely agree with that quote.
Agreed with everything you said in this video, especially about classics. Personally the reason that I don't read YA is because the vast majority of books are very similar in terms of the story which is: Girl is in trouble, Girl meets boy, Boy helps girl somehow, Girl falls in love with boy, happy romance ending. More so it is the girl is in trouble than the boy too, which is VERY boring in my opinion.
Please make a video about classic literature. :)
Sooo true noticed that when two years ago I tried looking for booktubers who review valuable contemporary/reportage/classic literature and I couldnât find anyone because everyone was reviewing YA...
2 years 2 late, but check out BookishPrincess! She mostly reads Classics & biographies
I totally agree with a lot of this. I'm 20 and I still read YA from time to time, but it tends to be just skim-reading a whole book in one day for the sake of light entertainment. Importantly, the enjoyment only lasts while I'm actually reading it and is purely plot-based - there's nothing interesting stylistically and it doesn't inspire a lot of deeper thought or questions afterwards. But if that's all you want out of the reading experience then there's nothing wrong with that! There can be a kind of elitist attitude to reading that it should always be a deep, meaningful "academic" experience and this can discourage people from reading at all. I know intelligent people who have only ever read the books they studied in school because they have never seen reading as a leisure activity.
As a child I also read lots of classics, but I was lucky enough not to feel intimidated by not understanding everything I read - I would happily just skip over it and not worry about it. A lot of other people don't have that same confidence, which can make reading anything above YA level feel like a chore and take all the enjoyment out of reading the classics. A lot of my peers at school thought I must be super smart for being able to read them, mistakenly thinking it meant I understood everything, when in actual fact all it meant was that I could put aside my ignorance to enjoy what I could understand. I think it's important for people to feel free to read what they enjoy (even if it's hard to understand why they enjoy it!) and not feel like they have to read only certain books, otherwise they just don't read at all.
I've steadily been growing dissatisfied with YA. Funny thing is my interest in children's and middle grade has increased mostly because I am breaking into classic lit and am finding interesting themes in kids books that you just don't find in YA. Which is weird...
I whole heartedly agree with that feeling of condescendense that some YA works leave you with nowadays. I believe YA such as hunger games, Harry Potter and other lovely books that have come out not that long ago are great for introducing to other great works that are highly complex and returning to them for nostalgia. But the way certain easily marketable books, written within the span of a couple of months seem to talk down to their young but extremely capable audience is insulting. Children and teenagers are young, not stupid, and there's so much potential within them that they're not even aware of and needs to be nurtured, and that is constantly forgotten when faced with the possibility of making easy money out of a copy paste, washed out book. YA could be great if only it weren't so "trendy" and easy to sell
Yess thank you. I feel the same, the booktubers whe they review YA i feel its always the same themes
Hello ! Je voulais juste signaler qu'on ÃĐtudie la littÃĐrature jeunesse (YA, album, romans ados et tout le toutim) à l'universitÃĐ... Et mÊme à l'Ecole normale supÃĐrieure, oÃđ j'ÃĐtais et oÃđ nous avions d'ailleurs organisÃĐ un sÃĐminaire portant sur la littÃĐrature jeunesse et le genre. C'est une littÃĐrature riche et pleine de surprise, extrÊmement complexe et je trouve que ton approche rÃĐductrice et peu informÃĐe. Je suis personnellement une grande dÃĐvoreuse de romans et fictions, et j'ai ÃĐvidemment ÃĐclusÃĐ mon comptant de littÃĐrature canonique, en raison de mon parcours acadÃĐmique mais aussi par goÃŧt. Dire que le canon littÃĐraire, qui exclue la littÃĐrature jeunesse, se base sur une qualitÃĐ d'ÃĐcriture comme motif discriminant (et si la littÃĐ jeunesse n'y figure pas, c'est donc bien qu'elle est nÃĐcessairement "moins bien ÃĐcrite", "moins intÃĐressante", "moins profonde"), c'est franchement mÃĐconnaÃŪtre l'histoire du canon et ses enjeux. Le canon est ÃĐtabli par une certaine catÃĐgorie de personnes bien particuliÃĻres (notamment les universitaires, qui sont en majoritÃĐ des hommes blancs d'un certain age et d'un certain capital culturel), je suis sÃŧre que je ne t'apprends rien. La littÃĐrature qu'ils choisissent de valoriser leur ressemble, et permet aussi de crÃĐer une culture d'ÃĐlite. DÃĻs lors, le reste devient de la para-littÃĐrature, une sous-littÃĐrature qui sert à amuser, distraire, au mieux, mais qui n'est en aucun cas de l'art. Lisez de la littÃĐrature jeunesse, renseignez-vous ! Vous serez surpris-e-s de dÃĐcouvrir ses spÃĐcificitÃĐs formidables : car cette diffÃĐrence de statut et cette absence de lÃĐgitimisation apporte aussi une dimension politique et subversive à la littÃĐrature de jeunesse, qui peut se permettre dâinventer, de dÃĐnoncer, dâinnover, loin des instances de canonisation normalisantes.
Si tu veux des titres qui correspondent à tes goÃŧts (que je commence à connaÃŪtre), je suis disponible pour t'en donner !
Coucou ! RÃĐponse trÃĻs intÃĐressante à cette vidÃĐo que je trouve aussi trÃĻs intÃĐressante, c'est vrai que la littÃĐrature de jeunesse est souvent mise de cÃītÃĐ et placÃĐe en position d'infÃĐrioritÃĐ... Je m'y connais trÃĻs mal en littÃĐrature de jeunesse et personnellement ça m'intÃĐresserait que tu partages quelques titres histoire que je puisse dÃĐcouvrir cette littÃĐrature à partir de conseils avisÃĐs ! :) bonne soirÃĐe
merci de ton commentaire!
toutefois ce que je trouve assez rÃĐducteur c'est de penser que mon avis n'est pas informÃĐ vu qu'il s'oppose au tien. ...
et je prÃĐcise justement dans la vidÃĐo que les classiques peuvent Être problÃĐmatiques ... mais surtout... je pense que les classiques s'imposent de multiples façons, bien au delà de cet ÃĐtablissement par cette catÃĐgorie particuliÃĻre de personnes comme tu dis, et que les choses bougent ÃĐnormÃĐment à ce sujet à l'heure actuelle. Tu reprends par ailleurs l'argument du canon comme ÃĐtant presque un carcan "normalisant", ce avec quoi je ne suis pas d'accord (et que je mentionne ÃĐgalement dans la vidÃĐo).
Donc, si tu aimes la littÃĐrature jeunesse, tant mieux pour toi :) et c'est super que certain.e.s s'y intÃĐressent, thÃĐorisent dessus et permettent à cette littÃĐrature de prospÃĐrer car elle convient effectivement à un certain public, mais tout le monde n'est pas forcÃĐ d'y adhÃĐrer, et quand il me reste tous ces auteurs et toutes ces autrices incroyables à dÃĐcouvrir, qui font ÃĐcho à des situations, des sentiments, des problÃĐmatiques qui correspondent à mon age et touchent parfois mÊme à l'atemporel ... eh bien oui, je prÃĐfÃĻre me tourner vers ces Åuvres là , qui en plus, sont d'une richesse stylistique parfois ÃĐpoustouflante que vers des ouvrages destinÃĐs aux adolescents...
(au passage, je prÃĐcise aussi qu'il y a plusieurs sortes de YA Ã mon sens, et que certains de ces livres peuvent devenir des classiques, donc ma position n'est pas aussi simple que ce que peut laisse penser ton commentaire !)
@@Antastesia Quels sont livres que tu conseillerais pour dÃĐvelopper son style ? Je ne sais pas par quoi commencer. Si tu pouvais me citer un ou deux livres avec un trÃĻs bon style j'en serai ravie!! Merci par avance
@@SeiYume Moi j'ai beaucoup aimÃĐ "Les champs d'honneur" de Jean Rouaud. Et aussi "Juste la fin du monde", de Jean-Luc Lagarce. Et parce que tout ça est trÃĻs masculin, je citerais aussi GaÃŦlle Josse, qui a une plume sublime, tellement sensible et poÃĐtique mais pourtant si sobre. J'ai lu "Un ÃĐtÃĐ Ã 4 mains" et "Le dernier gardien d'Ellis Island" qui sont magnifiques.
Voilà , ce sont trois auteurs qui ont beaucoup influencÃĐ mon style, ou en tous cas qui l'ont fait ÃĐvoluer, parce que leur sensibilitÃĐ et les sujets qu'ils abordent me font ÃĐcho. Donc si je pouvais te donner un conseil, ce serait de chercher des livres, des auteurs qui te parlent, qui font ÃĐcho à ton projet d'ÃĐcriture, parce que c'est là qu'il va vraiment se passer quelque chose :) ! Et aussi faire du pastiche (recopier le style d'un auteur pour lui rendre hommage) c'est trÃĻs intÃĐressant, ça fait vachement ÃĐvoluer le style vu que ça te fait ÃĐcrire en te pliant à un style qui n'est pas le tien et donc expÃĐrimenter des choses auxquelles tu n'aurais pas pensÃĐ. Et sinon les ateliers d'ÃĐcriture c'est top aussi de ce cÃītÃĐ-là (mais souvent cher...) !
@@lilyrose1364 Oh super! Merci beaucoup pour ta rÃĐponse j'apprÃĐcie les conseils!
A point: YA is not a genre, it is a reading level. This is something everyone seems to forget in the BookTube community.
Exactly! Thank you!
Iâve tried to re-read YA books that I used to love as a teenager but I canât relate anymore. I mostly just read literary fiction nowadays.
I don't think I ever got into reading YA as such, not even as a teenager. I had (and still have) the same issues as you, and I always felt they were not as deep or engaging as I'd like a book to be. That being said, what "bothers" me the most about these novels is the huge advertisement campaing they usually have behind them. The fact that most booktube channels consist of book hauls is actually quite telling of the way books have turned into a commodity so the publishing industry can make more profit out of it. I'm not saying authors shouldn't benefit from this, it only makes me think what happens to those books that won't do well enough in such an ever-changing market that relies so much on social media and ephimeral hype. As in, I feel that with this best-seller sort of mentality that seems to be such a part of YA and contemporary literature (I'm overgeneralizing for the sake of making my point, of course), we're missing on key texts that, even though they might not be as "popular" they can be extremely thought-provoking and contribute to the whole development of ideas and social issues. In other words, I find it a bit unsettling that books are starting to be sold in a similar way as clothes or beauty products or technology items... and we might be missing the whole point of what literature stands for (or simply we no longer care about literature any more as long as money is flowing).
10'30 by knowing history! Not enough people are interested in History when they read classics. In my opinion you just can't truly understand any classic if you only have a few ideas on what happened during the author's century... History and Litterature are inseparable
Which is why I think people should first learn about ancient Greece to better understand the context behind Plato and Aristotle, for example. Until college I almost understood nothing about that time period besides Athens, Sparta, and the most important figures of the era.
I think people read for different reasons. Saying young adult shouldn't be read once you've passed a certain maturity is maybe normal for you who wants to read things you can analyse but some people read for distraction, for fun, also to find ourselves in the characters and YA books often represent so much better minorities than other books. We find ourselves and that feeling is beautiful. We don't all read to aanalyse. There is quality to books that you don't consider classics, quality in the way it makes us feel good. It can be entertainment. Maybe it's not the only entertainment you want, but if we like that kind of entertainment then why tell us that we should change what makes us happy?
I only read YA at night when I'm too tired to use my brain too much, or if I'm having a tough time and I want to be comforted and feel like a kid. No joke... I need to be 100% present and engaged when I read really good literature. To me it's basically the difference between instant coffee and brewed coffee.
I don't read YA as an adult because I never read it in my childhood. I grew up homeschooled in a strict household and I was not even aloud to read things like Harry Potter. So my literary upbringing has been based on classics, the very old ones at that. My grandfather gave me his classic poetry collection and his old copy of Platos complete works before he died and so I latched on to those and loved them. I've only been branching out and reading more contemporary and nonfiction works in the past few years. I can verbally recite Dante Alighieri at will, which makes for a good party trick, but I can't tell you the first thing about John Green ðĪ·ââïļ
However, I don't think there's anything wrong with YA. My best friend reads it but she treats it like a form of media, it's exciting and entertaining for her. But, I don't really read books for that purpose. Maybe I'm just assuming but I feel like people who exclusively read YA, use reading and literature for a different purposes or to meet a different need than people who read classics, modern adult works, and/or nonfiction.
YA has a lot of really heavy sex scenes now too. I recently read a court of thorns and roses series and I was like whoa this is YA?!
I feel like YA as a genre in terms of publishing and marketing has created constraints in terms of what you can sell to publishers.
YA is mainly meant to target and explore the issues of people in a certain age group. I feel like even if you tried to introduce these wider deeper concepts and philosophies it wouldn't be seen as marketable.
They create a cycle by limiting the exposure and information of what classic literature is like which creates less demand and therefore less representation and bottlenecks itself.
Maybe initially it was marked to bridge the gap but saw the popularity and market for it and allowed it to be money making.
I understand when people that write YA books read YA if they are above the age range as knowledge of the market is key especially considering the competitive market for YA due to its popularity.
Honestly this is just my own rambling but as an aspiring author I would love to bring some more high concept ideas into YA than what I personally see and learn more about classics.
yess !! well said. i felt the same way too but i just didnt know how to explain it.
I'm commenting before reading anyone else's comments just so this is as pure of a reaction as possible.
As a teenager that reads a wide variety of literature, including YA and classics (though I'm not as well-versed in classics as you), I can understand your frustration with people that only read YA. However, to use the argument that these people are getting stuck in a rut of reading patterns and to say that this is YA's fault is ignorant. I'm sure there's just as many people out there that only read classics and high-brow literature (just like you), and that's just as detrimental. Especially when you say that the difficulty of reading classics opens your mind to different ideas, I don't think it does if you're still only reading classics!
Young adult books, just like classics, come in a wide variety of writing styles and with a wide variety of themes. And yes, I agree that because books are much easier to publish nowadays, YA has turned into a market where large number of authors utilize the same themes in their books to sell copies. However, that same fact, that books are easier to publish now, also lends it's way to more authors with diverse themes in their books as well. We can compare this to the internet and the rapid spread of ideas. The internet, along with social media, has made it possible for bloggers and TH-camrs and such to appeal to the general populace in exchange for more money and collaborations with advertisers. However, the internet has also made it possible for people that wouldn't otherwise be able to spread their ideas to do so. In the TH-cam world, these may be the people with less subscribers, so they're less likely to pop up in your recommended, but they're still there. In the YA world, there's plenty of thought-provoking, revolutionary literature that may not appeal to the general populace, so it doesn't pop up on bestseller lists or on TH-cam. But these books are still there! It's just up to the reader to discern which YA books they think are quality content.
On that note, even if a book is written for YA readers and is on bestseller lists and touted throughout the Booktube community, it would be a shame to write that book off with the belief that all these readers were fooled by the YA market. Several YA books (think The Hate U Give or Simon vs. the Homo Sapien's Agenda) climb bestseller lists because they tell important stories in accessible formats.
I think you are absolutely right that classics are filled with more history, so they are more complex in many ways. It's important to read classics to form connections in your brain that wouldn't be formed otherwise. However, YA literature is also important because it lets a breadth of individuals give their takes on contemporary topics while those topics are still contemporary.
Vaibhavi H i agree so much with this
Your thoughts on classics would highly interest me. =)
YA is simply not litterature (I see what you mean), but what is litterature? How do you define which books go into it?
By the way do you know/like the vlogbrothers' videos? I discovered other things John Green did and was very much surprised. I mean this channel quickly became one of my favourites. ^^
VidÃĐo super intÃĐressante, merci !
Jâai 15 ans et il y a quelques annÃĐes, jâai eu une ÃĐnorme pÃĐriode oÃđ je lisais du young-adult. Et puis aprÃĻs, le vide. SÃŧrement par manque de temps et peut-Être dâenvie ÃĐgalement, mais jâai eu beaucoup de mal à me remettre à la lecture et en particulier au young-adult, car il ne mâapportait peut-Être plus assez. Cependant, je voulais lire beaucoup plus de classiques mais cela mâÃĐtait difficile, car je voyais uniquement leur complexitÃĐ et le fait que ÂŦ je nâallais pas y arriver Âŧ. En effet, comme toi, je pense quâil y a une marche entre le young-adult et les classiques, ÃĐvidemment en premier lieu parce que ce nâest pas fait pour le mÊme public, mais il nâempÊche, il est vrai, en ne lisant que du YA (malgrÃĐ les ÂŦ sous-genres Âŧ qui existent), on ne sait pas ce quâest la littÃĐrature dans son entiÃĻretÃĐ. MalgrÃĐ cela, le YA me semble un passage nÃĐcessaire pour aller vers tout ce qui est plus complexe, les classiques donc. Maintenant, jâessaie de lire un peu plus de classiques mÊme si ce nâest pas ÃĐvident. Mais la richesse de ces lectures mâimpressionnent : Antigone de Anouilh, que jâai ÃĐtudiÃĐe en classe de 3e, mâa tout simplement ÃĐpoustouflÃĐe ! Des YA qui mâont autant apportÃĐ, mâont amenÃĐe à me poser autant de questions, il y en a peu (je ne vais pas dire quâil nây en a pas eu, il y a de trÃĻs bons YA !)
AprÃĻs, jâimagine que nous nâavons pas tous le mÊme but. Lire nâest pas la mÊme chose chez tout le monde, on ne recherche pas tous une forme de ÂŦ culture Âŧ dans les livres, mÊme sâils en sont la reprÃĐsentation. Parfois, chez certaines personnes, lire est juste synonyme de dÃĐtente. AprÃĻs, si dans la lecture on recherche une forme de dÃĐpassement de soi, une maniÃĻre de se cultiver, dâen apprendre plus sur le monde, de se bÃĒtir une opinion etc... alors oui, ne lire que des YA nâest peut-Être pas la solution.
Merci! Jâai vraiment beaucoup de difficultÃĐs à trouver des chaÃŪnes du booktube qui parlent de classiques du monde entier comme tu le fais. Si tu as des chaÃŪnes en tÊte, je serais ravie de les dÃĐcouvrir (je suis par exemple trÃĻs contente dâavoir dÃĐcouvert Hajarread grÃĒce à toi).
Ouiii je suis trop d'accord j'aimerais trop des suggestions booktube!
You don't have to excuse yourself and say that your opinion about this doesn't matter (just to not trigger some people) - because your opinion I guess it matters for people who follow you here.
Thank you for talking about this! I find it difficult to find authentic channels that discuss books/life honestly and this is why I look forward to your presence. I would love if you could create a video discussing classics: recommendations (Europe, Middle East, Asia, Latin), lessons you've learned, your thoughts on why classics are perceived as intimidating, and your suggestions on analysis process to get the most out of the reading experience. Do you think that we try to over-analyze classic literature/poetry and therefore it leaves an overwhelming feeling or do you think it's a generational difference in language style, both, or more? Also, after studying literature and becoming a teacher, do you see a difference in your reading experience and how has it changed/developed? Thanks again! Sending my love
A video on classics sounds amazing
Super interesting, as always âĪïļ I do think however than young adult fiction can be a way for poeple (teenagers especially) to enter literature, itâs a first and easy contact with it and then it opens to more
I know that this type of literature got me into reading, and then the more I read it the more I wanted to read and the more I realized all of it was pretty bad, not very well written etc...
So I turned myself towardsÂŦ better Âŧ literature, and later with my studies, towards classics âĪïļ
VidÃĐo sur des classiques sâil te plaÃŪt ! âĪïļ
100% agree with you! Thank you for posting this. It's a shame to me that so many people these days want only to be entertained instead of exploring the vastness of humanity, our emotions, philosophies, the human experience in general. It's often hard for me to talk about books with people because they have only read what is popular and easy, which are books that I just cannot get into; they really don't hold my interest at all. Glad there are a few of us out there who just can't can't into the YA genre.
I would rather read Dr. Seuss than YA.
video series idea: weekly/monthly(?) book recommendations of "classics" with an interesting theme.: diversity, colonialism, feminism etc etc.
Something like "So you liked [enter YA novel] and you want to read more about [enter a theme], how about reading [a classic with said theme]". Viewers could suggest the themes they're interested in.
Anyhow, great video. bisous x
I donât watch a lot of booktube and Iâm sort of removed from the whole YA debate but what youâre saying resonates with me a lot in terms of poetry, namely the whole rupi kaur phenomenon.
I've been wondering about this. Thank you so much for uploading!ð
you should make a video on ''instagram poets'' like rupi kaur, atticus etc
Je me reconnais totalement et je suis tout à fait d'accord !!! TrÃĻs intÃĐressant et c'est gÃĐnial que tu ai pu filmer cette vidÃĐo et d'en avoir le courage !! Gros bisous et tout mon soutien ( j'en garde un peu pour moi quand mÊme parce que demain bac blanc de philo et de physique chimie !)
Zazie Hattemer Bon courage pour ton bac blanc! ⥠Do your very best. :)
Bon courage pour ton bac blanc !! :) tu vas y arriver ðŠð
@@niranjana9060 merci beaucoup ððð ça me touche ÃĐnormÃĐment
@@prisonnierauberceau6056 merci de croire en moi ððð je t'embrasse fort et t'envoie plein de bonnes ondes
Zazie Hattemer câest moi qui tâen envoie aussi :) fais de ton mieux :)ðŠ
I definitely get your points. And from your perspective I can understand why you are kind of getting frustrated by YA. I agree with the marketing aspect a lot and that's definitely something that has been bothering me. On the other hand though you can't really blame most people for not being into literature as you are and put as much "effort" into it. I think the reality is that people don't want to invest that much energy and time which I think is understandable. I find it really interesting that thinking back to my school years when we had to read and analize the sh*t out of classics, I absolutely hated it. It bored me so much. So yeah I think it might has a lot to do with how education/school promotes and works with classics.
Je suis d'accord dans l'ensemble. J'aime surtout que tu aies discutÃĐ de la diversitÃĐ qui existe dans le domaine de "classics" et l'importance de lire au-delà de son niveau actuel. Cependant, je ne pense pas que ce soit "facile" d'Être publiÃĐ dans le domaine de YA. Le simple fait qu'il y a *tellement* de gens qui veulent Être publiÃĐ dans cette catÃĐgorie signifie, à moi, que c'est plutÃīt chanceux, pas forcÃĐment facile.. De plus, je pense que certains gens lisent beaucoup de YA quand ils ont beaucoup de contact avec les ados (les enseignants, par exemple) pour rester courants à la perspective de leurs ÃĐtudiants, mais aussi pour les prÃĐsenter la littÃĐrature au-delà de YA (en utilisant YA/les sujets reprÃĐsentÃĐs ici comme une transition)...mais c'est la pÃĐdanterie...
J'aime toujours ces vidÃĐos de discussion. Merci beaucoup
Have you read This Earth of Mankind? Random foreign literature recommendation.
I totally agree with you. I've read 1 YA series in the last year and it was just for fun. I always wonder about people's mind sets who are adults but are so fascinated reading about teenagers. I'd much rather read about late 20-40 age group. I will admit I read fantasy a lot, but I'm really picky about good writing so only a few authors with long series. Have you tried any fantasy/scifi? I also love classics though, and certain authors like Murakami.
Not to mention YA authors have an easier time writing than people who write..."literary" novels, I guess you could call it. Like you said, you can tell from the first sentences if it is YA and I think it's because it's not good writing most of the time. I'm so glad you talk about classics, I don't know any other booktubers who do except Lucythereader.
I have read one YA book not knowing the genre (or as correctly said - category) and come to some TH-cam videos to deeply know about them. Thank you for expressing your opinion, I found it helpful for myself. I am not going to close this genre for 100%, but it would be less than 10% of my read books. And no, I am going to not read them because "I am against mainstream, I am not like the others" and so, but I find other books more interesting and I apreciate my time and regret when I spend it which is not at least inspiring (for example most of videos on TH-cam - at the same time loving this platform).
P.S: Thanks to the English language so I can understand french people being russian-speaking belorussian. It is really amazing.
Dostoyevkiy is hard even for russian people, most of them know only the name of author, and more intermediates know basic plot. But everything (Tostoy, Tchechov, Dostoyevkiy, Gogol, Turgenev, Pushkin, Lomonosov and many other foreign classic authors) are read in school, so many people just put a tick "I read that" for the entire live.
Super vidÃĐo merci !
Je suis d'accord avec toi sur les choses que tu dit dans la vidÃĐo mais j'ai comme un sorte de peur qui peut paraÃŪtre un peu stupide : quand je lit un livre jeunesse, je pars tjr avec cet a priori qu'il sera moins profond, moins bien ÃĐcrit et intÃĐressant qu'un classique oÃđ qu'un livre plus "reconnu". Par consÃĐquent, je me demande si ce biai n'influence parfois pas mon avis d'autant plus que je n'ai pas de grandes connaissances en littÃĐrature et que cela rend mon avis moins objectif et construit.
Voilà commentaire super inutile dÃĐso
Please, do a video on classics âĪ
Awesome video itâs great to hear about your opinion on books like these!ð
I think itâs really important to remember that the determination of the âclassicsâ is based on white Christian settler colonialism and the structures of capitalism and classism inherent in that hegemonic reality. It is impossible to separate that fact. It might be easier if one is themselves white, privileged, and benefits clearly from that structure. Yes, one can appreciate these books but one must also recognize and grapple with that structures they uphold and what voices they oppress and silence before one celebrates them as being inherently better than another genre.
Tori Ashley Matos or it was, at some point - but the literary canon is forever shifting, adjusting itself to contemporary ideologies and social issues. Take Zadie Smithâs work, for example. Her work is already being compared to, say, Dickens, or Zola. Toni Morrison - her novels are celebrated worldwide as American classics. You have placed your finger on something very interesting; on the marginalized, lost voices, and many have indeed been silenced by a majority of what are deemed as classics. But you have to take into account how they themselves emerged; how they were considered subversive or revolutionary at their time. However classics arenât just one literary genre, neither are they limited to a specific time frame, and they are above all indeed debatable :)
Beth Symon I have to tell the truth: I agree classics can show the evolution of Western thought and these books were often âsubversive,â in their own time. But I am not in any way compelled to read books by white people trying to shake off the mortal coil of their self-imposed oppression. I just donât have the stomach for it. But I appreciate your outlook on it.
Seriously...classics can be written by anyone. There have been POC and LGBT authors in the 19th century and before that. Have you ever thought about reading Japanese classics? Nigerian classics? No, instead you're thinking of white authors and that's your issue.
I agree that literature reflects the material conditions of the society that created it. Thatâs why Iâm critical of YA and the dumbed-down narcissism in art being produced by late-stage burgerpunk capitalism
Merci pour cette vidÃĐo trÃĻs intÃĐressante :)âĪïļ
Câest un vÃĐritable plaisir de regarder tes vidÃĐos à chaque fois !
ððž je partage aussi le mÊme avis que toi sur ce sujet ! :)
Je nâen lis plus non plus !
Et moi aussi quand jâÃĐtais petite et que jâallais à la bibliothÃĻque, jâen lisais mais je suis allÃĐe aussi trÃĻs vite vers le rayon pour les adultes avec les classiques ! :) ils sont indispensables, importants et invitent à penser :)
Loveee âĪïļð
Je sais que ça n'a rien avoir avec le sujet mais peux-tu nous faire une vidÃĐo en donnant quelques conseils pratiques et astuces pour apprendre l'anglais ? Thank you ð
I'm so excited that I found your channel. Almost every booktuber talks exclusively about YA, and the way you describe what it feels like to read these books hits the nail right on the head. In university I read a lot of French literature and it was really thought provoking and fulfilling and I'm honestly looking for more of that
really loving your video topics lately :)
Always wondered why children don't grow out of it, like clothes that no longer fit them.
Qu'est-ce que tu penses de Jules Verne d'ailleurs?
Merci pour ta vidÃĐo, Ã bientÃīt !
Je ne sais pas quoi penser de ta video parce qu'en un sens je suis d'accord mais en mÊme temps pas d'accord. DÃĐjà , un dÃĐtail mais je trouve ça un peu dommage de juger sur des extraits, c'est comme juger un film sur sa bande annonce. Bref...
Personnellement je lis beaucoup de YA et je sais que ce n'est pas de la grande littÃĐrature et en fait... I don't care :D Je lis pour me dÃĐtendre et franchement les "classiques" ce n'est pas ce qui va me dÃĐtendre (mÊme ceux que j'ai adorÃĐs). Bien sÃŧr c'est mon goÃŧt personnel, parce que je pense que j'ai une approche de la lecture trÃĻs diffÃĐrente de la tienne et c'est comme ça, et je n'irai pas juger les gens qui ne lisent autres chose...
Ensuite, personnellement, j'aime voir tous ces jeunes booktubers qui lisent ÃĐnormÃĐment. Oui beaucoup ne lisent que du YA (mÊme si le genre est assez vaste et que j'en vois beaucoup qui lisent des choses trÃĻs diffÃĐrentes d'un livre à l'autre) et donc... et alors ? Le principal n'est-il pas de lire plutÃīt que de lire des "classics" ?
Je suis d'accord que c'est bien d'ÃĐlargir ces horizons, d'essayer d'autres styles, d'autres genres, ne serait-ce que pour avoir un regard plus critique sur certaines lectures. Mais je crois fermement que la lecture doit rester un plaisir. Quand j'ÃĐtais plus jeune j'avais beaucoup plus de mal à lire, parce qu'on me faisait lire des choses que je n'aimais pas, soit à l'ÃĐcole, soit mes parents et je trouve ça dommage au final. Mais une fois que ce sera un plaisir les gens vont essayer d'autres choses et ça leur plaira ou ça ne leur plaira pas et ils reviendront au YA ou ils essaieront autre chose et ce n'est pas grave.
Enfin, je ne comprends pas trop cette dichotomie voir gueguerre que je vois de temps en temps entre YA versus Classics... DÃĐjà les 2 regroupent beaucoup de genres diffÃĐrents. Moi qui aiment beaucoup les dystopies, je vais adorer lire Hunger Games mais je n'ai aucune envie de lire Flaubert et je vais prÃĐfÃĐrer lire Orwell à John Green. Les 3 mousquetaires c'est un classique ET un YA. et que faire de tous les autres livres? Les romans policiers, les romans de fantasy, oÃđ classer des auteurs comme Gaiman, Pennac, Murakami qui ne sont pas des YA mais peut-Être pas encore des classiques non plus...
Au final, la littÃĐrature c'est comme n'importe quel art. Il y a de tout et tout ne peut pas plaire à tout le monde. Il faut apprendre à dÃĐcouvrir, à rester ouvert mais on ne peut pas se forcer à aimer et on ne peut pas attendre des autres qu'ils aiment les mÊmes choses :)
I love your accent better then Macron's. You sound really good
Have you read The Alchemist? and Ishmael? Your thoughts?
I was going to make a video about why I don't read YA and I thought I'd be the only one cause there is an overwhelming amount of booktubers who just talk about YA. Thankgod there are other people too . I agree with most of the points you make in this video ðð―âĪïļ
D'accord je peux comprendre que tu n'aime pas le Y.A. C'est normal, on a tous des goÃŧts diffÃĐrents. Mais je ne comprends pas pourquoi ça te gÊne autant qu'il y ait des gens qui ne lisent que ça. Et alors ? Qu'est-ce qu'il y a de mal à ne lire que du Young Adult ? Ce n'est pas une honte comme tu le dis, les gens ont le droit. Ce n'est pas "vide" non plus. On lit tous pour des raisons diffÃĐrentes. Toi pour apprendre de nouvelles choses, peut-Être. Mais certains lisent pour se divertir, pour rÊver, pour s'ÃĐvader. C'est pour ça que je ne comprends pas ce qu'il y a de si choquant à lire du Young Adult. Je trouve ça formidable de proposer des romans adaptÃĐ Ã un public plus jeune, plus large aussi peut-Être, car plus simple. Le Young Adult est plus accessible, c'est la vÃĐritÃĐ. Ce n'est pas parce que c'est nouveau que c'est mauvais. Parfois il faut accepter le changement. Je peux comprendre que ça t'ÃĐnerve que des romans Y.A sont beaucoup plus mis en avant que les romans classiques, contemporains. Mais je ne crois pas qu'on puisse changer ça pour l'instant. Peut-Être que des annÃĐes plus tard, le Y.A ne sera plus à la mode, qui sait ?
Essaye de t'intÃĐresser aux romans Young Adult si tu veux. Comme tu le dis, il y a plein de genres diffÃĐrents. D'accord, certaines histoires se ressemblent, mais je crois que c'est le cas pour tous les romans en gÃĐnÃĐral. Personne ne peut crÃĐer un roman totalement inÃĐdit, qui n'a jamais ÃĐtÃĐ pensÃĐ avant. Les auteurs s'inspirent des Åuvres qu'ils lisent, reprennent des morceaux d'histoires (fictives ou non), crÃĐÃĐent de nouvelles histoires qui inspireront d'autres auteurs à leur tour. Bon je m'ÃĐgare haha. Je sais que c'est ton avis et tu as le droit de penser de cette maniÃĻre, mais essaye de d'Être plus ouverte sur le choix des autres. Ce n'est pas une critique, juste une opinion (comme toi) j'adore tes vidÃĐos et ta personnalitÃĐ (: Voilà , j'espÃĻre que je ne t'ai pas offensÃĐ.
Hello, je regarde ta vidÃĐo avec beaucoup d'intÃĐrÊt ! Personnellement j'aime vraiment les YA et pourtant je passe de Pullman à Tolkien à Zola sans aucun souci. Je trouve qu'il y a un vrai souci sur booktube car il est assez compliquÃĐ de trouver des personnes qui parlent plus de classique et contemporain. Peut-Être est-ce parce qu'il y a quelque chose d'assez gÃĐnÃĐrationnel avec TH-cam ... Je ne sais pas.
Pour Être quelqu'un qui navigue dans environ tous les styles et univers, je trouve que dorÃĐnavant il y a des romans YA qui sont classÃĐs comme tels mais qui sont trÃĻs matures : il y a de la diversitÃĐ, de la reprÃĐsentation, des mondes inventÃĐs. On peut toujours trouver son compte. Par contre je suis d'accord avec toi mÊme si j'aime Green comme ça pour passer une bonne soirÃĐe (c'est un peu comme regarder une comÃĐdie romantique pour moi), je vais vraiment adorer des autrices comme Schwab et Bardugo qui ont des univers à tomber.
Le problÃĻme avec les classiques c'est qu'on les colle souvent trop tÃīt avec une obligation de les lire, une sanction à la fin avec une note. ForcÃĐment, ça change la façon dont on voit les classiques. Enfin voilà beaucoup de blabla pour rien :D
Ta vidÃĐo est intÃĐressante, bien que j'ai un avis moins tranchÃĐ que le tien sur la question. Comme dit un autre commentaire, ça dÃĐpend surtout de l'objectif qu'on recherche en lisant : se divertir ? Apprendre ? Se remettre en question en ouvrant son esprit ?
Je te rejoins sur une chose : les chaÃŪnes Booktube sont composÃĐes majoritairement de YA, voire de littÃĐrature jeunesse et de SFFF. On nous dit "c'est pas vrai, il y a une grande diversitÃĐ de lecteurs, il faut juste chercher", oui, mais le voilà le problÃĻme : il faut chercher, et souvent longtemps. Pour du YA, t'as pas besoin de chercher vraiment, tu trouves ton bonheur tout de suite. AprÃĻs, c'est pas grave, à l'exception de quelques chaÃŪnes, Booktube n'est pas fait pour moi et puis je vais ailleurs (sur les blogs par exemple). Mais il faut arrÊter l'hypocrisie ambiante : OUI, on trouve une majoritÃĐ de chaÃŪnes qui parlent de YA.
je suis passÃĐe par ne phase oÃđ j'ai lu beaucoup de YA, voir seulement de la YA, et ça m'as donnÃĐ l'envie de travailler dans le monde du livre. Maintenant je suis en fac de lettres et j'adore lire des classiques, mais il y a 3 ans ce n'ÃĐtait pas mon cas. La YA peut Être un tremplin vers d'autres littÃĐratures.
Just on the point you mentioned about booktube being overrun by YA, as you said, itâs highly marketable and popular, why wouldnât people take advantage of that? Probably why the other genres arenât as prominent online... the audience online (on this platform mostly) would fit that age group as well. So they get stuck in it, because theyâre not being introduced to other genres.
The reasons you meantion at 15:10 actually play a huge part in my decision making when choosing to read or not of the âclassicalsâ.
I remember so well how essential was the literature teacher when I was in school, how I thought âthank god I have this amazing teacher here that knows so so much about literature and all the historic / cultural / social / artistic context of this book!â I could never get from the book by reading it alone what I got from it with the teacher. I recently was going to finally buy Crime and Punishment but instead I bought something more actual because I knew that without a mini teacher I would probably just be âwastingâ great literature...
oh well... But Iâll have to get over that because Iâm not going to have any more literature teachers for the rest of my life...
Je suis juste tellement content de trouver la premiÃĻre chaine qui parle en deux langues. Je voulais le faire. Je vais le faire du coup.
Salut ! Je trouve ta vidÃĐo trÃĻs intÃĐressante bien que je ne partage pas toujours ton opinion et c'est pourquoi je voudrais rÃĐagir.
La lecture est mon principal loisir, en parallÃĻle je suis ÃĐtudiante en Master FLE et j'ai beaucoup de lectures scientifiques à faire dans le cadre de mes cours, avant cela, j'ÃĐtais en licence d'anglais et j'avais bien entendu des cours de littÃĐrature, donc quand je lis pour le "plaisir" j'aime me pencher sur des livres plus faciles d'accÃĻs (mÊme si j'aime toujours lire des livres avec des messages forts, je vais plutÃīt vers des livres qui se liront rapidement puisque je n'ai pas beaucoup de temps à y consacrer) lors de mes annÃĐes licence j'ai adorÃĐ les cours de littÃĐrature, ÃĐcrire des dossiers de recherche etc, mais ce n'est pas la partie de lecture du classique qui m'a le plus plu, c'est son analyse, et sans elle je n'aurais pas pu apprÃĐcier certains livres à leur juste valeur, c'est pourquoi j'ai plus de mal à me tourner vers les classiques.
Je pense que le fait que tu "target" le genre YA n'est pas entiÃĻrement juste.. Il y a des YA qui abordent des sujets difficiles (je pense à l'autrice irlandaise Louise O'Neil qui fait un fabuleux travail de sensibilisation au fÃĐminisme auprÃĻs de ce public), qui ont une plume travaillÃĐe (notre nationale Christelle Dabos), simplement comme tu le dis c'est destinÃĐ Ã un public plus jeune donc c'est abordÃĐ diffÃĐremment. Je lis souvent du YA (sÃĐlectionnÃĐ mÃĐticuleusement, car les livres qui ont toujours les mÊmes patterns comme tu dis ne m'intÃĐressent pas non plus) car j'aime voir la maniÃĻre dont certains sujets peuvent Être traitÃĐs avec des ados puisque c'est un public qui m'intÃĐresse particuliÃĻrement. D'un autre cÃītÃĐ, penses tu que lire des livres Hugo roman, du Marc Levy ou autres auteurs commerciaux valent mieux que de lire certains excellents YA sous principe que l'ÃĒge ciblÃĐ correspond ? Comme tu le dis il y a, au mÊme titre que dans la littÃĐrature adulte, diffÃĐrents genres.
J'attends ta rÃĐponse car ton avis m'intÃĐresse beaucoup
Merci pour tes vidÃĐos, je te souhaite une bonne journÃĐe :)
Salut, ta vidÃĐo ÃĐtait trÃĻs intÃĐressante ! Personnellement, j'ai 23 ans et je lis encore pas mal de livres qu'on pourrait qualifier de "young adult". En fait, durant mon adolescence, je n'en ai pratiquement pas lu car j'avais beaucoup de livres à lire pour l'ÃĐcole (j"ÃĐtais en filiÃĻre scientifique pourtant), qui ÃĐtaient le plus souvent des classiques. Bien que ça ait dÃĐtournÃĐ plusieurs de mes copains de la lecture, je suis tout à fait d'accord qu'il faut lire des classiques lorsqu'on est jeune (tant que ça reste des classiques abordables). Ce qui m'a finalement le plus dÃĐrangÃĐ Ã ce moment-là c'ÃĐtait le fait que les livres ÃĐtaient imposÃĐs, et à cÃītÃĐ je n'avais pratiquement pas le temps de lire pour moi.
Donc à 18 ans, quand je suis sortie de l'ÃĐcole secondaire, je me suis de suite tournÃĐe vers des livres qui m'attiraient plus et j'ai passÃĐ un ou deux ans à ne lire pratiquement que ça. AprÃĻs, tous les livres de ce genre ne se valent pas : il y a des pÃĐpites, comme des livres trÃĻs mal ÃĐcrits et sans aucun intÃĐrÊt. Je pense que j'aime encore lire du young adult à mon ÃĒge (enfin je ne suis pas si vieille que ça ;) ) parce que ça me fait replonger dans mon adolescence (j'ai beaucoup aimÃĐ cette pÃĐriode de ma vie) ou dans d'autres mondes (j'adore le fantasy et la science-fiction). Depuis quelques annÃĐes, je recommence à incorporer d'autres genres dans ce que je lis, par exemple des livres sur le vÃĐganisme, la nutrition, le fÃĐminisme ... et aussi des classiques (en partie grÃĒce à ta chaÃŪne, tu m'as donnÃĐ envie de dÃĐcouvrir Flaubert). Et je suis tout à fait d'accord avec toi sur le fait que le young adult monopolise les mÃĐdias et rÃĐseaux sociaux, ça ne donne pas envie aux lecteurs de sortir de leur zone de confort, c'est dommage.
Have you read more political YA- like 'the hate you give,' I quite enjoyed that and 'the outsiders' which I older obviously but written by a teenager and definitely YA. There are definitely classics that I think lack depth and there's no classification along YA/classics/adult or even fantasy/dystopia/genres in general that can be definitive. i.e. we can't say 'this is not a deep genre' about anything because really what we need is diversity in reading- we don't know what novels will be considered classics today (probably ASOIAF, maybe even HP?? who knows). I read classics, or more accurately, 'dense' novels, but I also get tired of them and I like reading political YAs- either dystopias or present-day. I also think saying that representation in classics is even remotely comparable to the representation in YA is dishonest. I think it's important to read diverse representations in classics as well and it teaches a lot and I connect a lot to queer characters particularly but also anyone who seems to have my learning disability but I have to read YA to see myself represented as a trans person. If you know of a novel in French, English or Spanish or translated into those that is a classic and shows a transgender person going through transition (social transition even) I would be more than happy to read it. For the moment I like deep YA, cruisy but political YA and deep classics. that's my reading pool +ASOIAF whenever a new book comes out.
to answer. you're taking an exemple that's quite dishonest as most classics were written when there was no possibility for transgender people to go through transition as you think of. but there are novels written for ADULTS that do tackle those subjects. but hey, as I said good for you if you can read YA and books written for people (not for a specific age group)!
@@Antastesia but that's what I mean, YA/Adult now has more options for representation, it's not dishonest to point out that someone reading YA for diversity might be reading it for things like that- disability is a big one because past understandings of, particularly severe physical disabilities, were minimal and obviously people with certain disabilities couldn't write novels. To see my experience in a novel and not be bombarded by cissexism I have to read YA/modern adult novels. I should've said I also read adult novels. In recent times my tastes have changed a lot and I don't really read fantasy, historical fiction or classics (which are obviously set in the past, or past predictions of the future) very much anymore because I got a bit burnt out- possibly because of my English studies at university. I just find modern works more accessible/relatable without squinting (if that makes any sense?). I don't think I could ONLY read any one genre or age-group-target. I do still like YA for it's lightness while still taking things seriously, especially on upsetting subjects like the murder of black men by police in the US. I can rarely read an adult novel on things that hit too close to home, but YA I can survive.
The Hate You Give is an exception in the YA universe, it is not the norm. Most YA is minor literature IMHO.
Je pense exactement comme toi , la young adult quoiqu'on en dise n'est pas trÃĻs dÃĐveloppÃĐe dans le style et reste trÃĻs en surface, c'est juste objectif de dire ca bien sur il y a des exceptions comme toujours mais bon....Et je trouve aussi dommage que ceux qui ne jurent que par ca en pensant ne pas aimer les classiques n'essaient pas tout simplement... mais je pense qu'ils lisent pour " dÃĐcompresser" et donc ne veulent pas faire cet effort intellectuel. Moi certains bouquins ( des classiques aussi ) ont carrÃĐment changÃĐ ma vie , m'ont fait fait grandir intellectuellement, m'ont ouvert sur d'autres cultures et modes de pensÃĐes, m'ont permis de voir ce que les gens pensaient, faisaient à une certaine ÃĐpoque. Et je ne suis pas d'accord avec certains commentaires qui disent qu'on est pas tous obligÃĐ d'analyser un livre quand on lit, elle ne dit pas ca et moi quand je lis un classique je ne l'analyse pas je prends juste du plaisir à lire une ÃĐcriture aussi belle et de m'ÃĐmerger dans une histoire aussi riche. Ca ne veut pas dire que tous les classiques sont biens/bons ou intouchables, ca rejoint ta vidÃĐo des classiques que tu n'aimes pas, on en a tous.
Par contre ils restent objectivement mieux ÃĐcrits et plus profonds dans tous les sens du terme c'est aussi mon avis j'ai assez lu dans ma vie dans toutes les catÃĐgories et tous les genres pour en Être sÃŧre !
Mais je tenais à dire que j'ai une place dans mon coeur autant pour Zola, Hugo , Camus que Roald Dahl ou encore R.L Stine ( auteur des chairs de poule ) ou encore Pullman qui sont pour le coup de trÃĻs bon auteurs pour enfants et qui m'ont poussÃĐ Ã lire encore plus et par la suite à lire plein de classiques. Je n'ai donc pas le mÊme parcours que toi mais je pense comme toi ! Et aujourd'hui je ne lirais plus de la jeunesse/enfant mais il m'arrive de m'y replonger par nostalgie :)
Coucou dans quelle catÃĐgorie est-ce que tu met AmÃĐlie Nothomb ?? Jâadore vraiment ses livres parce que je trouve quâils sont toujours un peu fous et drÃīles et notamment ses romans biographiques sur le Japon,... et jâaime aussi bcp Murakami pour les mÊmes raisons mais jâai que 18 ans et jâavoue ne pas vraiment savoir si câest de la littÃĐrature ÂŦ sÃĐrieuse Âŧ ou pas ð
Beaucoup pensent que du AmÃĐlie Nothomb c'est plus du divertissement que de la vrai littÃĐrature, mais certains de ses livres m'ont fait vraiment rÃĐflÃĐchir et ressentir d'ÃĐtranges ÃĐmotions. Il m'arrive mÊme de rire à voix haute en la lisant. Donc moi je considÃĻre qu'elle fait de la vraie littÃĐrature mÊme si certains de ses livres sont moins forts.
I just stopped reading YA and I was amazed at the Universe and diversity that has been hidden from me in adult books. I think you're absolutely right; YA does not teach you anything, make you wiser or bring you to explore more books and topics. What it does is entertain you enough to make you want another one... Les personnages sont tous similaires et non rÃĐalistes. Ãa renforce toujours les mÊmes thÃĻmes, promotes unhealthy ways of thinking and lifestyles et ne t'incite pas à dÃĐcouvrir une littÃĐrature plus riche et plus intÃĐressante.
Cependant, d'un autre cÃītÃĐ, je ne vois rien de mal à lire des romans YA pour se dÃĐtendre et les lire de la mÊme façon que l'on regarderait un film. For escapism. Mais que ce soit le seul "genre" that you read te permet difficilement d'amÃĐliorer ta conception du monde, d'ÃĐvoluer en tant que personne et d'amÃĐliorer ta propre ÃĐcriture pour un roman qui va plus loin que les mots.
Bref, je me rÃĐpÃĻte un peu, mais tout ça pour dire que je suis d'accord avec ce que tu rapportes et suis trÃĻs heureuse d'avoir dÃĐcouvert qu'il y a plus à la littÃĐrature que le genre pour lequel tous les TH-camrs les plus cÃĐlÃĻbres ne font que parler.
Cc antastesia tu pourrais mettre des sous titres français et anglais jâai beaucoup tâes vidÃĐo elle mâaide à apprendre lâanglais câest parce que je dois à chaque fois couper la vidÃĐo et allez sur Google traduction
Je me disais justement cette semaine que tes videos sur les livres etaient mille fois mieux que toutes les chaines booktube qui sont d'une nullitÃĐ terrible (sauf quelques rares exceptions) et ils ne parlent que de bouquins hallucinants comme outlander etc...... impossible de trouver une chaine booktube adulte, qui parle de bouquins diversifiÃĐs, sauf toi et Solange te parle quand elle en parle.
moi aussi antastesia et solange sont mes seules rÃĐfÃĐrences youtube de littÃĐrature
dommage que solange ne fait plus autant de bilan cul
Well, I would say I agree with you, but not for everything you said. I'm 17 and I read YA and classics and other things, and I definitely agree with you about the fact that YA is really... Repetitive ? I mean, the plots are pretty much always the same. But I still like it, sometimes I like reading something clichÃĐ that ends well and everything. But I think the problem with YA is not just that people only read that, I think the problem isn't only with YA itself, it's with the overrepresentation (I actually don't know if this word exists) of it. Because honestly I started reading classics because someone convinced me that I was missing something by not doing it, but I don't think I would have done it myself. So the problem with YA is that there is YA like everywhere, and it's more enhanced than classics. Here is the issue. And by the way, I don't think (but that's another discussion) that literature at school makes children or teenagers want to read classics by themselves... But it might depend on what teacher you got and everything, I don't know.
je suis complÃĻtement d'accord avec vous, j'ai aussi du mal à lire de la littÃĐrature YA malgrÃĐ le fait que, sur internet, on a l'impression que tout le monde ne lit que ça, ou alors de la fantaisie. je lisais de la YA quand j'ÃĐtais ado, mais du moment que j'ai commencÃĐ Ã lire des classiques et de la "literary fiction" j'ai perdu complÃĻtement l'intÃĐrÊt. je crois pourtant que le fait que des nombreux adultes lisent surtout de l'YA c'est un peu dÃŧ à la concurrence des formes de divertissement, il y a une abondance aujourd'hui de produits culturels trÃĻs faciles à "consommer", et à mon avis ça fait que certaines personnes aient du mal à faire l'effort cognitif de lire un livre plus complexe. enfin, j'ai peut-Être tort (:
sinon, je suis vraiment contente d'avoir trouvÃĐ votre chaÃŪne, j'y retrouve plein de suggestions de lectures qui me paraissent gÃĐniales! :D
*Wow, so charmful.*
*I am going to watch your video now, see ya.*
Je comprend tout a fait ce point de vue. Personnellement j essaie de lire un peu de tout donc mes genres prÃĐfÃĐrÃĐs sont surement policier et YA mais je ne veux pas me limiter à ça parce que les classiques ont vraiments d'autres perspectives et connaisances historiques à offrir donc j en lis aussi de temps en temps et meme de plus en plus parceque l'ecriture est souvent bien plus belle. Donc je conseille a tout le monde de s'interesser a tout : classiques, poÃĐsie, contemporain, fantastique, non fiction...
Thank you. This. All of it. I feel like such an ass hole when I totally judge a grown adult person who defines themselves as âwell readâ and than names a slew of YA books as their ultimate favorites.... am I an ass hole? Probably. Iâm ok taking that title, I suppose. Does it mean I disrespect or view somebody who only reads YA as a lesser human? No.
Witchy Dog Mom yea, you kind of are an asshole
@@unexpected_girl wow trigger y/a fangirls
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I know that I've read some YA. I don't recall any of it though. I hope at least I got some relaxation out of it .. but can't remember that either.
Bonjour, bien que que tu ne lises pas de romans dit "Young Adult", tu as parlÃĐ du sujet de l'inceste dans une de tes vidÃĐos (je suis navrÃĐe, je ne sais plus laquelle!) je voudrais tout de mÊme te conseiller le roman de Tabitha Suzuma 'Forbidden" qui aprÃĻs certaines polÃĐmiques, dues au sujet et à certaines scÃĻnes dÃĐcrites, a ÃĐtÃĐ classÃĐ en "New Adult". L'inceste est un sujet trÃĻs trÃĻs peu abordÃĐ en littrÃĐrature et ce roman m'a bouleversÃĐe! Je ne spoile pas, mais ce roman traite de l'inceste consenti entre un frÃĻre et une soeur.
I read Dostoevsky a little bit earlier than I should have. I'm sure there are sophisticated 18-19 year old minds that would be able to carry the weight of the ideas presented in those kinds of books, but I felt like the majority of the "wisdom" I acquired during that time was kind of useless to me. I wasn't deep enough to assimilate that information in any meaningful way. The ideas were interesting and abstract, but they were like artificial limbs on my body: it was someone else's lived wisdom but it wasn't mine. (Schopenhauer warned about this.)
I think the appeal of YA is in the fact that the characters in those novels are trying to come to terms with "themselves". The pursuit of personal truth is perhaps the only reliable truth we can aspire to. I don't think that's something that you necessarily outgrow. It just comes packaged differently in YA.
So sometimes I read a little Plato, sometimes I read a little Nick Hornby. I'm in no hurry to grow up.
I read YA for a short time, in my early teens. Sometime around 14/15, it just become to boring and repetetive to me. That was, ironically, the time Harry Potter became really popular (I'm in my early 30s) - which I had considered books for the 10-12 age group even while I read YA. Most people read for casual entertainment, much like watching TV. Definitely not to learn or appreciate the writer. Adults reading YA is no worse or better than "chic lit" for women (so much is wrong with the name of that genre!). At least they read at all. I was very happy to find booktube exists, for about an hour, when I realised all these people read is YA.
C'est ça, cette littÃĐrature manque de profondeur. Ou ses thÃĻmes ne nous intÃĐressent plus lorsque nous sommes adultes, à moins d'Être nostalgiques de notre jeunesse peut-Être ?
Have you ever read THE MASTER AND MARGARITA? It was written by a Russian and recommended to me by an Israeli. Let me know if you have and what you think.
MuseMediaUSA i think itâs such a popular (but also very good) book that itâs impossible she hasnât
I read it because I grew up with it. Harry Potter came out when I was 12. I grew up with Harry Potter. The first time I touched a classic was via VHS. I now write a lot of Pride and Prejudice fanfiction because of the fond memories of that classic and how I associate it with my grandmother. I read everything though growing up. I adore Clive Cussler and Dennis Lehane. I soaked up Harry Potter like it was water in a drought. I read trashy romance novels. I read grand adventure novels. Then I just stopped reading.
It saddens me because I have no desire to read anymore. I struggled to reread Mansfield Park and I have zero interest of reading Emma although I have read Sense and Sensibility as well. I have zero interest in reading, and I don't know why.
I also read a lot of non-fiction. I read a political memoir of Barack Obama's treasurer (?) that had me captivated, and then I read more financial books to understand some of the terminology used. It was a fun rabbit hole to lose myself in.
YA is rechurning the same crap. It's not producing quality characters anymore. It's embracing problematic choices - incest, etc - that should be better restricted to 18+ simply due to how bad those topics are and how impressionable teenagers are.
POV is what kills it for me, though. I can't read first person. I can't even fathom reading second person. I can't stand certain character types and actions. I literally burned a book because of a rape scene. I'm a picky reader now. Really picky. I read voraciously since 12. I am 30 and haven't touched a book in the last 6 months at least. I envy people who still want to read. I just can't pull the energy anymore.
I find it pretty wrong what you said about booktube & classical books. I can name at least two booktubeuses who talk about Zola and love Zola. We also all have a different definition of classical but that's a long debate.
Jane Austen is considered as a classical, I understand in which sense. But it doesn't mean I liked one of her books I started reading and I get the message on my own while reading it. As you say, it's a matter of opinion. I did not like this author, maybe because I did not start with her best book, I don't know. But to me, it is not a big of a deal. Maybe I'll try again later.
And I don't find it bad that people are reading YA today. What I find wrong is not having any opinion about it. And another stuff bothers me: YA written because the subject is in trend like dystopia or thriller for example. Maybe it is because I heard so many "Oh this one is dystopian and it is soooo good" but when I read the summary, I didn't find it really dystopic or so. Like, it was a trend and a lot of authors wanted to try themselves at it.
And as soon as the author is satisfied with his work, I don't find it evil that there are so many YA today. But I agree on the fact that it might be a sort of trend with a lot of commercial aspects.
I also think it is sad if someone does not read or does not get the litterature world, which can be seen in different perspectives. But I think one can not force another. Also, if someone read only YA, I think it is good because at least they read and do not say "Books are crap".
A lot of people consume a sort of media and don't know what they are "talking about" if they talk about it at all. It's human, it is okay to be wrong sometimes. Maybe someday they'll figure it out, like we all do once or twice in our life.
I like your videos and this one in particular because it made me think a lot about literature.
We might desagree on some points but that's the way I like to debate. And we agree on that point.
I know the video might date back for you, sorry ^^ I discover your channel a month ago, I think.
Best wishes to you and take care :)
YA are sort of like pop songs to be honest.
They are entertaining (well, some of them) but they shouldn't be taken for knowledge or anything like that.
I donât think that is true. While there are many (and I mean many) YA books that maybe are just a fun read, there are also many YA books that do offer a lot of knowledge about yourself and about life. They may not be the most popular books, but they do exist.
Je n'ai aucun intÃĐrÊt pour la littÃĐrature du jeune adulte moderne. Ils exagÃĻrent les tropes et facilitent la prose pour s'adapter aux jeunes. Pourtant, les adolescents sont autant complexes que les adultes.
Quel est leur but? Projeter une mauvaise image comme vilipender les parents? Invoquer une peur sur un sujet comme le viol ou l'anorexie? Et je suis une adulte avec une adolescence dÃĐpressive!
En ce moment, je lis Eagles de Elys. L'amour est superficiel et centrÃĐ sur l'apparence des personnages. L'utilisation d'ÃĐpithÃĻtes n'aide pas le cas et le point de vu des deux personnages se ressemble, ce qui me rappelle une fan-fiction de Malak. L'auteur prend le thÃĻme des motards, un groupe à dominance mÃĒle et au caractÃĻre dÃĐviant, pour les approcher encore plus.
Comme la tÃĐlÃĐvision, les livres peuvent avoir une mauvaise influence. Il existe une histoire traumatique en rapport à Twilight. Cela concerne le fandom plutÃīt que le contenu. Un ÃĐlÃĻve a dit qu'il dÃĐteste Twilight et une adolescente, une accro, dÃĐcide de jeter un liquide acide sur la victime. La "criminelle" fÃŧt arrÊtÃĐe tout en affichant un sourire.
Une autre, cette fois-ci avec le contenu, propose l'excuse d'Edward. twilight-sucks.livejournal.com/511586.html#cutid1
L'amour est un thÃĻme rÃĐcurrent et ils le dÃĐforment, glorifient et modÃĻlent à leur guise. Comme les autres domaines, c'est une chose à ÃĐtudier. J'ÃĐtais dans le faux pour la littÃĐrature populaire ou para-littÃĐrature. Je la voyais comme un fast-food sans valeur artistique qui ne sert qu'à vendre. C'est un art à maÃŪtriser. Cela ne veut pas dire, on bÃĒcle et voilà , c'est fait.
Pour le YA, ce n'est pas "imiter un adolescent naÃŊf et impressionnable". C'est bien plus que ça et il devrait Être plus que ça!
C'est pourquoi je prÃĐfÃĻre la littÃĐrature classique: elle pense plus que la littÃĐrature moderne. C'est inquiÃĐtant en quoi l'intelligence diminue et que la vente monte. J'ÃĐvite aussi les prix littÃĐraires.
I feel like the people who claim they love to read but only read YA are the same people who claim the love science but only read pop-sci articles and list "quantum physics" as their field of interest.
I am amazed how people can read classics and serious books. When I read I just want to relax and have an adventure. Can't imagine reading anything else but YA fiction or high fantasy novels.
I'm fine with Young Adult literature as long as it doesn't become "PG-13" for books. Books are one of the few mediums where teens are encouraged to engage with works that deal with mature themes, instead of shielding their eyes away from them. Even as a 13 year old i could honestly relate more to characters from """adult""" literature more than Harry Potter or Divergent.
J'ai eu une grosse pÃĐriode YA et je me suis lassÃĐe surement parce que je ne vois plus la littÃĐrature de la mÊme façon. Je ne la vois plus seulement comme un divertissement mais comme quelque chose qui m'enrichit sur de nombreux points. Par ailleurs en tant que personne qui ÃĐcrit, il est vite devenu important pour moi de m'intÃĐresser à des genres trÃĻs variÃĐs.
Je pense qu'il n'y a pas de "classement" à faire dans tous les cas car cela n'amÃĻne à rien, mÊme si, moi-mÊme, je dÃĐteste certains types de littÃĐratures ^^. Je me rappelle notamment, par rapport à cette histoire de "classement", d'une ÃĐmission de la grande librairie qui abordait les 30 titres qui ont changÃĐ la vie des français, et parmi eux, il y avait Harry Potter. Les personnes qui ÃĐtaient prÃĐsentes sur le plateau, se sont montrÃĐes tellement condescendantes, c'ÃĐtait ridicule car ils niaient tout le travail derriÃĻre l'oeuvre et la puissance de l'univers dÃĐveloppÃĐ.
Also letâs not forget that there is a lot of contemporary fiction that is complex and challenging through which one can get diversity, and that does more than simply providing blunt representation. I agree with all youâve said. What I find most irritating is those people that feel so superior because they read a lot, but then it turns out all they read is YA or (in some cases) mass produced crime fiction. Ridiculous.
Bien sÃŧr, c'est trÃĻs commercial et ça ne tire pas vers le haut comme les classiques.
How do you feel about non-fiction as literature?