This was a great video, mate. Your content is exciting and spot-on. Personally, the Burke Road and Glen Huntley tram squares were extremely busy, but now that they are gone, they are much faster and more beautiful. The same goes for Glen Huntley. I like your idea of removing the Riversdale Road and Glenferrie Road tram square; however, I think we should keep Glenferrie Road as a symbol of Melbourne - to show that little something from the past. As for Riversdale Road, I like the trench idea, even though that area isn't that busy. I like the idea of having both level crossings removed, but I think that Willison Station should be closed and demolished - given its proximity to Riversdale Station. Four hundred meters is too close for two stations, so Willison should be closed and instead use Riversdale. Again, this is my idea! Keep up the fantastic work, mate. I look forward to your next video. ❤️⚘⚘
Hello! Loved this video. I sometimes ride my bike to the Riversdale and Kooyong tramsquare just to sit around and watch (and hopes that metro doesnt tell me to go away even though im on the grass) and always wondered a bit about its history. (at 13:36 you said train, im not sure if this is a mistake)
The disc at the Kooyong Station, Glenferrie road crossing was active well into the 2000s. I remember regularly watching it move, both whilst traveling on the Tram and later Traveling by car. I remember it moving several seconds before the boom gates would announce an impending train..
@@davidxcrisp Hmmm strange, I wasn't alive in the early 2000s so I couldn't go and check myself. So all I had to rely on was information online. Sorry for any mistakes 😅
The St Georges Rd tram also crossed the Fitzroy Goods Line. Not sure what your statement about Burke Rd being the first level crossing to be removed is meant to be saying. It was the first to be done in the current Government's "Big Build" when they had 50 on the list, with 110 now listed. There had been a large number of crossings removed before this one. It wasn't the first tram square removed, as you cover the Clifton Hill & Flemington removals, some 90 years previously. Also there was a tram "square" removed in Eaglehawk (Bendigo) much earlier than those two.
Great video, every rail fan should go see one of these in action before they are all gone. Just some constructive criticism, I think you need to do a little more vetting of your videos before posting. Have someone else check over it if you don't do that already. The most egregious was you said the tram runs at 1600 volt a few of times, and 600v other times. There were also some spelling mistakes, and you had to do a bunch of cross-outs and asterisk corrections. You're doing good work, the dry humor is great, I just think it could be a lot higher quality with a little more double-checking.
Excellent video mate! Unfortunately, the train line and associated tram square in Kooyng are right next to Kooyong Lawn Tennis Club. I have it on rather good authority that when the Victorian Government did some initial investigations into removing that level crossing, the Tennis Club promised to drag them to every court, tribunal, and review board at their disposal. As you said, a trench at the bottom of a hill isn't a great idea, although it has worked at Gardiner Station. One obstacle to a rail trench at Kooyong is the access to the school west of the level crossing at the corner of Moonga Rd/Warra St. Hopefully it'll get done one day though as both the Glen Waverley line and Route 16 are very busy public transport services. An incident at that level crossing would cause huge disruptions to the network.
The Glenhuntly crossing was the last one (of only two) where freight trains crossed the tram lines daily. This video shows how inconvenient and maintenance heavy that was: th-cam.com/video/M5Y2Jgqv2Eo/w-d-xo.html
Interesting to see you include a picture of the Lydiard st rail crossing at Ballarat railway station. This crossing would have had tram squares up until about 1971 then the trams were removed from service in Ballarat and replaced with buses. Oh, I didn't know this was a question, so this will be my answer. I'm pretty sure there's 3 lines there.
Not sure about moving Riversdale station further north. I think a much better plan would be to combine it with Willison and to build a new station underneath Riversdale road with access from both sides. This would provide the following benefits: 1. Retain the interchange between tram and train. If Riversdale station were to be moved further north, this existing interchange would be lost 2. For commuters not stopping at either one of the two stations, it would make journey times faster as trains would only have to make one stop. 3. for commuters in the new station’s catchment zone south of Willison or north Riversdale, it wouldn’t feel like the station is new much further away than their respective existing stations as it would be accessible from both sides of the road.
@@billyallsop2506 Not sure how nimbies would like willison to be removed. I did consider an identical proposal to yours, although went against it as I like willison :)
I personally don’t think Riversdale Road would be removed by a long shot as apparently the road and tram traffic seems modest and the Alamein line isn’t that well known for higher frequency trains unlike most of the suburban lines in Melbourne. HOWEVER, I could be wrong.
@@timothyteo4602 The Alamein line hasn't been touched by the Lxrp, but if any level crossing was to go on the line it would be Riversdale. One of the main reasons would be removing the need to be locally controlled
@@74_pelicans A tram x tram is I believe called an intersection. If you can turn from one line to another then it's called a junctions. I'm actually not to sure why a tram x train is called a tram square, it might be the fact that most of melbourne make a squareish shape
@@74_pelicans Nvm my very smart friend told me that a standard crossing with no turnouts are called H crossings, and the more turn outs you add they're called junctions, Like butterfly 2 turnouts, 3/4 3 turn outs, and grand union 4 turnouts
Skyrail across Glenferrie Rd which I do support mind you would be met with fierce opposition from the locals. I know the local member would fire up like he did for Toorak Rd
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Very nice video, I need more Victorian Tram History in my life
Excellent video again! Thank you, mate.
I really enjoyed this one, looking forward to future topics!
Great video, great presentation style!! Subscribed 🙂
Well done video, as a Glenhuntly resident made sure l caught a tram over the level crossing the last day it operated
Very good research
This was a great video, mate. Your content is exciting and spot-on.
Personally, the Burke Road and Glen Huntley tram squares were extremely busy, but now that they are gone, they are much faster and more beautiful. The same goes for Glen Huntley.
I like your idea of removing the Riversdale Road and Glenferrie Road tram square; however, I think we should keep Glenferrie Road as a symbol of Melbourne - to show that little something from the past. As for Riversdale Road, I like the trench idea, even though that area isn't that busy. I like the idea of having both level crossings removed, but I think that Willison Station should be closed and demolished - given its proximity to Riversdale Station. Four hundred meters is too close for two stations, so Willison should be closed and instead use Riversdale. Again, this is my idea!
Keep up the fantastic work, mate. I look forward to your next video. ❤️⚘⚘
Shame there are show few left today. Great video mate!
Nice video as always mate!
vth, youve done it again!
Had no idea there were still some manned signal boxes. Im gonna go take some pictures before it disappears.
Hello! Loved this video. I sometimes ride my bike to the Riversdale and Kooyong tramsquare just to sit around and watch (and hopes that metro doesnt tell me to go away even though im on the grass) and always wondered a bit about its history. (at 13:36 you said train, im not sure if this is a mistake)
@@Astbaston Hahaha yeah that was a mistake. My house is a little to far to ride my bike to the Tram squares, but I do take the train
The disc at the Kooyong Station, Glenferrie road crossing was active well into the 2000s. I remember regularly watching it move, both whilst traveling on the Tram and later Traveling by car. I remember it moving several seconds before the boom gates would announce an impending train..
@@davidxcrisp Hmmm strange, I wasn't alive in the early 2000s so I couldn't go and check myself. So all I had to rely on was information online. Sorry for any mistakes 😅
The St Georges Rd tram also crossed the Fitzroy Goods Line. Not sure what your statement about Burke Rd being the first level crossing to be removed is meant to be saying. It was the first to be done in the current Government's "Big Build" when they had 50 on the list, with 110 now listed. There had been a large number of crossings removed before this one. It wasn't the first tram square removed, as you cover the Clifton Hill & Flemington removals, some 90 years previously. Also there was a tram "square" removed in Eaglehawk (Bendigo) much earlier than those two.
@@gregmichael8473 Whoops yeah probably should have made it alot more clear, I did meant the first to be removed by the big build.
This is by far the best transport video I’ve ever watched 👍
Great video, every rail fan should go see one of these in action before they are all gone.
Just some constructive criticism, I think you need to do a little more vetting of your videos before posting. Have someone else check over it if you don't do that already. The most egregious was you said the tram runs at 1600 volt a few of times, and 600v other times. There were also some spelling mistakes, and you had to do a bunch of cross-outs and asterisk corrections. You're doing good work, the dry humor is great, I just think it could be a lot higher quality with a little more double-checking.
@@hazmont I'll keep hat in mind,Thank You
Excellent video mate!
Unfortunately, the train line and associated tram square in Kooyng are right next to Kooyong Lawn Tennis Club. I have it on rather good authority that when the Victorian Government did some initial investigations into removing that level crossing, the Tennis Club promised to drag them to every court, tribunal, and review board at their disposal.
As you said, a trench at the bottom of a hill isn't a great idea, although it has worked at Gardiner Station. One obstacle to a rail trench at Kooyong is the access to the school west of the level crossing at the corner of Moonga Rd/Warra St. Hopefully it'll get done one day though as both the Glen Waverley line and Route 16 are very busy public transport services. An incident at that level crossing would cause huge disruptions to the network.
Strictly speaking, a tram rectangle: a standard gauge tram line crossing a broad gauge railway line.
@@ktipuss There called tram squares for some reason :D
Very good video. Nice work indeed. I think the remaining pair of tram squares are not likely going anywhere any time soon though.
The Glenhuntly crossing was the last one (of only two) where freight trains crossed the tram lines daily. This video shows how inconvenient and maintenance heavy that was:
th-cam.com/video/M5Y2Jgqv2Eo/w-d-xo.html
Interesting to see you include a picture of the Lydiard st rail crossing at Ballarat railway station. This crossing would have had tram squares up until about 1971 then the trams were removed from service in Ballarat and replaced with buses. Oh, I didn't know this was a question, so this will be my answer. I'm pretty sure there's 3 lines there.
@@Bobbydazzlla There are indeed 3 lines
Not sure about moving Riversdale station further north. I think a much better plan would be to combine it with Willison and to build a new station underneath Riversdale road with access from both sides. This would provide the following benefits: 1. Retain the interchange between tram and train. If Riversdale station were to be moved further north, this existing interchange would be lost 2. For commuters not stopping at either one of the two stations, it would make journey times faster as trains would only have to make one stop. 3. for commuters in the new station’s catchment zone south of Willison or north Riversdale, it wouldn’t feel like the station is new much further away than their respective existing stations as it would be accessible from both sides of the road.
@@billyallsop2506 Not sure how nimbies would like willison to be removed. I did consider an identical proposal to yours, although went against it as I like willison :)
@ To be fair Willison is my local station so I guess at least I benefit from keeping it as it is
I didn know I needed to know all of it. Apparently I did. 😂 And for some reason I need to visit Glenhuntly now. Dunno why.
or as it is now spelt Glen Huntly.
Elsternwick station tram square was removed in 1959.
I personally don’t think Riversdale Road would be removed by a long shot as apparently the road and tram traffic seems modest and the Alamein line isn’t that well known for higher frequency trains unlike most of the suburban lines in Melbourne. HOWEVER, I could be wrong.
@@timothyteo4602 The Alamein line hasn't been touched by the Lxrp, but if any level crossing was to go on the line it would be Riversdale. One of the main reasons would be removing the need to be locally controlled
why is a tram x train called a tram square? whats a tram x tram callled?
@@74_pelicans A tram x tram is I believe called an intersection. If you can turn from one line to another then it's called a junctions. I'm actually not to sure why a tram x train is called a tram square, it might be the fact that most of melbourne make a squareish shape
@@74_pelicans Nvm my very smart friend told me that a standard crossing with no turnouts are called H crossings, and the more turn outs you add they're called junctions, Like butterfly 2 turnouts, 3/4 3 turn outs, and grand union 4 turnouts
I was going to ask this! Well answered, VTH.
Skyrail across Glenferrie Rd which I do support mind you would be met with fierce opposition from the locals. I know the local member would fire up like he did for Toorak Rd
@@Bocca013 Yeah, kinda the reason Sandringham hasn't been touched at all