I’m still not over it….Mesa collector and lover that stopped when Gibson stepped in. They closed the Hollywood store and that was when I got disgusted and I miss it.
They're just ahead of things. Every gear reviewer out there will be trying to replicate Metallica and Petrucci tones. It will get old fast. Soon everyone will be begging for non-metal demo videos of th 2C+...
Finally a video where this glorious amp is played through its all capabilities: clean, crunch and lead. Yes, it is very famous for its heavy tones but it can really do much more than that, because it's really so versatile. I own a 100W IIC made in 1983: I hope that this new version has a more efficient fx loop and a more usable reverb, if compared to the older amps like mine.
The MarkIIC+ is a milestone in electric guitar amplification... as well as Doug is a treasure in ... pretty much everything you can think of. Excellently done guys! Hope to see you soon!
As a Mesa owner since 2004(Mesa Single Rectifier series2 50watt solo head and a 2x12 Recto cab) all I've had is great experiences with the company. That was my first big amp purchase I had and my young self had minor issues dialing in the tone I needed so I emailed them. I got a call back the next day from customer service, I cant remember who it was exactly but it blew me away as it was the head of the department. Point being, they're such a great company and I'm sure if Doug West is at the helm everything is running just as well. I'm pretty sure this version of the Mark 2C+ is going to be a special amp. Thanks Mesa.
I have an original IIC* from mid 80’s. Wood and wicker. Simul Class. I wanted that old Larry Carlton sound. I shipped out my Mark IIC back to the factory to fix a buzzing sound, and when it came back, I noticed there was a plus written under where the power cord enters the chassis.
What gorgeous and powerful sounding amp! I really enjoyed learning about the history and the details about the operation of the controls. The demo guitarist played perfectly to highlight the different tones.
1st detail I noticed after confirming THAT genuine Boogie tone was the infamous lead channel hiss missing. Historically, that hiss likely birthed noise gates. Yet, we the Boogie purists knew how to footwitch in/out of that hiss. This demo sounds like you nailed the Boogie squish/give missing in virtually all Boogies after the MarkIII era. Better "studio" cleans than 99% of all Fenders, also offering searing/singing warm gain minus the sharp points and square edges of Marshall's. This platform combined with a 2nd to none EFX loop was the reason 2C and MarkIII combos were found in every serious studio across planet earth. I can't wait to take one of these puppies for a test-drive!
@@simonr344 It is not true to the original. They had to cut corners. 75 watts of power is a joke. Randall Smith was fired. We don't know if Mike Bendinelli was involved in the product. There are many gaps.
@@novemberzed9163 If you pay attention to the photos, they even tried to duplicate the same preamp boards that the original had. It looks pretty close to me, with the exception of some more compact capacitors and ribbon cables.
Tremendous! I have an original 1984 MK-IIC+ and love it for all styles of music, from clean to crunch... I sold Boogie amps in Ontario, Canada in a music store that I managed in the late 1970's-early 1980's... We'd order ten MK-II amps at a time, some pre-sold, some for the floor... they didn't last long in the shop, and no doubt are still being enjoyed to this day. Thanks for the story, and the reissue guys!
Back in the 80's I was in a band and our guitarist used a Mesa and I loved the way it sounded, it blew the Marshalls away. Glad to see it updated and back in production.
Friendly correction, if I may ... Mesa Boogie Mark IIa was released late 1978, and ran to August of 1980, then followed by the Mark IIb.. I have one of the first Mark IIa Combos !
Gibson managed to carry over there huge price tags to Mesa it looks like. This thing is 8k over here in Australia, that's crazy. Looks like it's a dentist or lawyer amp to go alone with their Les Paul in their office lol.
@@chrisodonnell3776 Got mine pre-ordered for $7499. Mesa’s always been expensive in Australia, since I bought my first Mesa amp (a Rev G Dual Rectifier) brand new for almost $4000…in 1999! You can’t blame Mesa for global inflation, the crappy conversion rate, import taxes and retailer markups. To put in perspective, I bought a 1984 factory IIC+ HRX combo earlier this year for $6200 after looking for over a decade…and it’s still not SimulClass or with EQ onboard. I feel okay about taking this one out on the road with me, whereas my vintage Mark collection (the IIC+, an ‘83 IIC SRX and a III Blue Stripe SRGX with R2 mod) won’t ever leave my studio. This is the first “new” Boogie amp I’ve bought in almost 30 years!
@@ewannowak1600 I'm not a lawyer, but rather a construction manager, but because I wanted a Mesa, I invested my time and bought one new. If you're serious about your music, spend less on other cheaper things and put your money saved towards your love for music. It's really that simple. But with that said, the Mark amps are expensive a balls. But rightfully so with the amount of R&D they put into them.
❤❤❤ I was way high on acid in the late 80s and a guy was playing a Mesa mkII in a popular 80s band in Beaumont, Tx called the Pierre’s. Troy something. The sound came out like red fire and warmed my soul. And I was catching it like someone sitting in front of a fireplace. It was more than sound. It was a warm feeling, and I never felt so good from hearing a guitar through an amp. And Troy was a great guitarist. It was an amazing experience. As a guitarist, I started researching the Mk II and all the players that have used it. So this is incredible news. I can’t wait to try one out and hope it finds a home between my Z-Lux and my Silver Jubilee.
I remember buying my first Mesa/Boogie back in the 90's Had to call to Petaluma from Venezuela as we didn't have an official M/B dealer back there. And Doug took my order. Actually. I wanted a Dual Caliber 30 combo and Doug told me they did not have any in stock and he would call me if they could build it. Which he did. HE called back a week later and I placed the order. Sweet amp that stayed with me when I moved to Europe.
Triaxis with the cabclone IR, in a shorter chassis, next 🤘🤘🤘 Already got this IIC+ on order but a Triaxis redux would be killer! Maybe the dynamic voice could be replaced with a small LCD screen or dot matrix LED that allows full GEQ operation in software/hardware 🤷♂️
@@NinjaRunningWildyour slow Ola owns an original IIC+ and demos it on his channel WITHOUT a boost pedal. Playing MOP and black album riffs with settings from metallicas producer.
I really don't know why this wasn't reissued before Gibson took over (well I do, but don't quite understand Randall's thinking) I realize Artist don't like to re-paint the Mona Lisa but what do the fans/players want? Well here it is. Gibson/Boogie seem to have done it right too. Gibson, I hate your legal practices and disregard to smaller companies and the firing (we think at least, nothing official with explanation) of Randall but BRAVO on the MK2C+ reissue.
I just dont understand why the Mark 1 is not just a standard product available. Its like if Heinz didn't produce ketchup anymore cus "condiments have evolved".
As someone who still has an original, all of the comments asking about metal tones may be disappointed to know that you really can’t achieve a modern metal tone with these amps. Love the amp, but realize what the amp actually is and where it excels
I will say as a humble owner of a MarkV-25 with the 2c+ setting, and after initially playing through the JP2c; that it is possible to get the spirit of the master of puppets sound, if you set the EQ and graphic EQ just right and play those riffs. Either way, it definitely has a sound that was recorded into history, and influenced genres ever since then. You just need to know how to operate and use it to where I feel quite confident in using my amp in most metal settings with the legacy of the iconic sound, even if I sometimes use the extreme setting that is now out of production with the mark VII release. I have a feeling that the MarkV-25 and 35 models might be around for a while. All the same, let’s wish the patriarch Randall Smith himself a happy retirement, given his elderly years, and celebrate the legacy sounds of Mesa boogie that influence genres since the 1970s when Carlos Santana first praised them.
@ I still have the head version of the mark v and I heavily favor the mark iv setting and eventually settled into using the extreme mode while reducing the 240 slider and actually only giving moderate reduction to the 750. Works amazingly well for my seven string stuff. The mark iic + setting and my original just aren’t quite right for what I try to achieve for moderns types of metal, but it does 80’s and rock so well it doesn’t matter. By the by, and absolutely underrated piece of from mesa that is sadly off the market is the royal Atlantic. So glad I grabbed that one when I did because it can be an all out monster
@ one of my uncles is also a mesa boogie user, has a Mark five combo and eventually got the 35 head. It was playing through the JP2C model, a few mark five head examples, and the utility of the graphic EQ that eventually led me to the mark V-25 that I have.
The Mark II came out in 1978 not 1980. I got my IIB in the late 70's after hearing Robben Ford's tone on Inside Story and hearing a local guitarist in Tucson at the time play through one. I asked Boogie to give it an overhaul (update the e-components, clean the pots, etc), a few years ago, and they refused since the amp was so old. Instead, they asked one of their employees to work on it after hours on his own time. In other words, Boogie wanted no part of the overhaul. I was really disappointed in their customer service and how I was treated.
Guys, it was beautiful, smiled through the whole thing, the dedication to details is unbelievable, a lot of history background, an explanation of how the controls work, many cool tones and the settings under each of them, even though I was born in the 90s and never saw this amp in person I felt so emotional troughout the video as if I was there in the 80s when it was released. Thank you Mesa.
You guys should consider reissuing the Studio Preamp as well to coincide somewhat with this release as they are EXTREMELY popular in the used market. 20 years ago you could get one for $300 used if you really looked, but now it would be a miracle to pay under $1500 for one. Often $2000 if they are in original & mint condition or even more, which is crazy, but they allow so much of the IIC+ tone to be had and used with essentially any power amp, which means they'd be a great seller as they would be much more in reach for most people to buy + people like the option of being able to tailor their sound with a power amp of their choice and personal preference of taste profile i.e. EL34 or 6550 rather than 6l6 etc. 👍🏻
@uvicjames I regret not buying one I saw listed for $350 in mint condition when I was in high school back around 2009~2010. I am having serious doubts that these new mark iic+ sound as sweet in the midrange as the originals because if there is one thing that Boogie, along with most classic makers of amplifiers, never seems to get right is that, even though they might sometimes go as far as making the circuit layout and topology definitively identical, that does not cover the remaining large significant % of capturing the sound of the individual components like capacitors & resistors if they are not either matched to the exact original part (not necessarily a big deal or even of importance at times) or, of actual importance & 100% necessity, that each part is matched to being of identical CONSTRUCTION to the original parts. For instance, if an original amp has a signal path that consists almost entirely of, say, polyester/mylar film & foil construction Orange Drops, then they cannot simply be replaced with Polypropylene Orange Drops, instead, because there is a 100% chance it will cause a brighter more "HiFi" modern sound, rather a sound with fuller midrange and a 'warmer'/ 'creamier' lower midrange + fatigue-free upper midrange that you get with the polyester caps. If it's just literally one cap it wouldn't be a deal breaker, but that is never the case with guitar amps. I solder and test components daily with home audio & audiophile equipment, so I have a very firm understanding and lots of experience with this crucial aspect. It goes beyond the specs & measurements down into the material science (which ARE measurable albeit just not with the equipment used to take most audio measurements). AND That's just for signal capacitors, as one single example of what I am talking about regarding getting the components correct. Now, that being said- I WOULD LOVE TO BE PROVEN WRONG in my doubts, as I believe this to be the absolutely undisputed king of high gain tone. There are very few things in life I can say that I hope I turn out to be wrong, or my worries to be found of never having any real concern with this reissue, rather 😊 .... And if so, then hats off to the guys at Mesa Boogie for taking the time to do it RIGHT unlike just about everyone else in the guitar amp world. 👍🏻
I have bought my first Mesa in 1996; a DC-3 (built in 1993). I love this two channel amp that has been so faithful with me all along. I love its clear channel that can go from clear funky to a crunch à la SRV. And with the lead I passed over the Marshall of my other guitarist. Too bad that Mesa is not liked by amp repairers because of the motherboard. It might be nice to also make a reissue of this jewelry. Merci pour la passion.
I am a gigging country picker. Been a Boogie guy for a long time. A usable channel switching amp with perfect natural breakup is huge for me. Also the natural EQ of the Mark amps is dynamite for a live stage amp. Gonna be picking up a new one.
This is a great looking amp! I would swap out the Black Shadow for a EVM12L. I'm a big fan of the Mark series amps having owned a Mark 4 and currently own a Mark 1 re-issue. I want this!!
The DNA of MB Rectifier tech is in almost every amp after MarkIII's. They catered to the market nü metal/detuned heavy amplification as any smart business would follow the trends. You could argue MB's Rectal-fire series defined the market of high-gain amps for a season. Nonetheless, the audio clips on this vid sound nothing like MK4; as that amp was where Boogie's high gain offerings began losing the liquid sponginess (round sound) in favor of sharper edged tone.
Part of my rig I have a pair of Mk 2 C+ modded preamps (clean and dirt) running through the old version of the 50/50 power amp. Aside from both have entirely different settings they are pure tone.
They'd need to get the one they designed it after then, because there is NO "ONE" real deal like the JP2C, that's why some people LOVED one of their IIC+ and didn't care for the other, so if people start to compare the reissue to a random IIC+, ofc it's gonna be different, it's literally a different amp..
I actually kinda "ABd" with my '83 IIC+/++ DRG. At the shred section, when they aired the short clip i copied the same settings they had on there RI and played the same riff its on the boogie forum. IMO based on these demos it doesnt sound the same at all. The RI atleast here sounds anemic, lifeless and compressed compared to mine. But lets see when the real comparisons begin...
Man I’d love to get one of these! I have a multi effects pedal that has a model of this amp in it and it’s killer! The real deal must be a dream to play through.
I can remember like yesterday when these amps MK llc+came out I always had boogies ( combos. ) I loved my 50 caliber. My best friend had a Colosseum 300🔊
How about those clean tones! Impressed. On the 80's clean was Dinesh using any pedals? - Thank you for also playing a Strat in this to give us a feel of how single coils will sound.
It remains as my favorite amp ever. I have heard it most of my life - from Metallica to Tears For Fears and all points in between: IIc's (and Mark III's) just everywhere. I'd argue that the studio pre stayed quite close to the magic. Anyway, I hope they stay in prod long enough for me to get one! I'll need to sell some things. . . LOL!
Still got my original IIc+ from the 80s! And I still love it. I thought it was a Mk III until I sent it back to Mesa to have it gone through and they contacted me and told me I had a IIc+ !
I found mine at Nadine's in Hollywood in 1990. I wanted a Mark III, couldn't afford it, almost bought an Engl. Saw this long chassis Mark II head and thought, "I'll see how it sounds." Played it for 10 seconds and was shocked at the huge clean headroom. I didn't know how to dial it in for the gain but had to have it. When I got it home, my mouth was on floor. Called Boogie to order something and was telling them about the amp. They told me to look above the power cable and see if there was a "+". There was. They said, "You have a really special amp there. You should hang onto it. If you ever want to sell it, call us first." Turns out, it's a long chassis DRG (Fully loaded - Reverb, Simul, EQ). This amp will never, ever get sold.
@@dadnewdjent7592 Triaxis was pretty intense as far as fault finding goes. So they may not see it as cost efficient. For each channel there were multiple ldr ( light dependent resistors) alone to look at.
@OilCanHarry2U Go with the Gorilla. With the savings difference, you'll be able to send one of your grandchildren to college so that they can later identify your sarcasm as a threat to the motherland.
Well, next will be the Murphy Lab aged versions that harken back to the 80s with scarred tolex, old tubes and mythical orange capacitors from the “true tone” PAF company that truly give it that period correct look and sound. You’ll need to have a FICO score of 850, net worth of $5M and a floating rate note to get one….😂
I understand the importance of this amp and how hard and nice it is to bring it back and I have to say it makes me salivate lol! But it's 2024 and I can't understand why they didn't integrate an emulated DI output and attenuation. Also the presence and reverb controls at the back!?! I swear I want to like it, but...
I'd love for Mesa Boogie to re-issue Randall Smith.
The man is in his 80s though. Let him enjoy his retirement.
@ If it was his decision to go into retirement and he is happy with it then 💯 The man deserves it.
first thing i thought was- he's gone, so who designed it in his place. not very "authentic"
I’m still not over it….Mesa collector and lover that stopped when Gibson stepped in. They closed the Hollywood store and that was when I got disgusted and I miss it.
@@nigeldaddyo Right like they just pulled it out of their ass after he left. Gimme a break. He was still there when they were working on this.
Papa Gibson said no metal allowed in the marketing video...
They're just ahead of things. Every gear reviewer out there will be trying to replicate Metallica and Petrucci tones. It will get old fast. Soon everyone will be begging for non-metal demo videos of th 2C+...
The beginning of the video is very clearly Metallica inspired.
The rock crunch section was clearly No Remorse inspired riffing
@@erikr968 Who do you think will be the main customer who wants to buy this amp?
Metal guys will buy Soldanos, only blues lawyers can afford these reissues
Finally a video where this glorious amp is played through its all capabilities: clean, crunch and lead. Yes, it is very famous for its heavy tones but it can really do much more than that, because it's really so versatile.
I own a 100W IIC made in 1983: I hope that this new version has a more efficient fx loop and a more usable reverb, if compared to the older amps like mine.
The fact that you're not joking is pretty hilarious in itself
I’m happy you’re releasing this. This is my dream amp. I placed my pre-order.
Same!
The MarkIIC+ is a milestone in electric guitar amplification... as well as Doug is a treasure in ... pretty much everything you can think of. Excellently done guys! Hope to see you soon!
Please re-issue the Triaxis with the same capabilities as the Soldano X88IR.
And release the Bass TriAxis aswell
This right here, and use modern updates so it’s not 2 feet deep either.
I might even prefer that quad preamp to be honest.
This is what I’m waiting for! 🔥
@@Rouwiinator Some players thought it (thequad) was the best iic preamp circuit.
As a Mesa owner since 2004(Mesa Single Rectifier series2 50watt solo head and a 2x12 Recto cab) all I've had is great experiences with the company. That was my first big amp purchase I had and my young self had minor issues dialing in the tone I needed so I emailed them. I got a call back the next day from customer service, I cant remember who it was exactly but it blew me away as it was the head of the department. Point being, they're such a great company and I'm sure if Doug West is at the helm everything is running just as well. I'm pretty sure this version of the Mark 2C+ is going to be a special amp. Thanks Mesa.
I have an original IIC* from mid 80’s. Wood and wicker. Simul Class. I wanted that old Larry Carlton sound. I shipped out my Mark IIC back to the factory to fix a buzzing sound, and when it came back, I noticed there was a plus written under where the power cord enters the chassis.
What gorgeous and powerful sounding amp! I really enjoyed learning about the history and the details about the operation of the controls. The demo guitarist played perfectly to highlight the different tones.
1st detail I noticed after confirming THAT genuine Boogie tone was the infamous lead channel hiss missing. Historically, that hiss likely birthed noise gates. Yet, we the Boogie purists knew how to footwitch in/out of that hiss.
This demo sounds like you nailed the Boogie squish/give missing in virtually all Boogies after the MarkIII era. Better "studio" cleans than 99% of all Fenders, also offering searing/singing warm gain minus the sharp points and square edges of Marshall's. This platform combined with a 2nd to none EFX loop was the reason 2C and MarkIII combos were found in every serious studio across planet earth.
I can't wait to take one of these puppies for a test-drive!
Always good to see you, Doug. Much love. Thanks for everything you do ❤
Doug and Kris FTW with Mesa reviews
People ask for a reissue of the Mark IIC+ for years and then when they do, people complain 🤷♂
@@simonr344 It is not true to the original. They had to cut corners. 75 watts of power is a joke. Randall Smith was fired. We don't know if Mike Bendinelli was involved in the product. There are many gaps.
I’m not complaining. Thing sounds insane
It’s not the same. 70% components. That other 30% counts.
@@novemberzed9163 Simul-Class/Triode has always been 75 watts. Pentode operation didn't appear until the green stripe Mark III, which is 85 watts.
@@novemberzed9163 If you pay attention to the photos, they even tried to duplicate the same preamp boards that the original had. It looks pretty close to me, with the exception of some more compact capacitors and ribbon cables.
Tremendous! I have an original 1984 MK-IIC+ and love it for all styles of music, from clean to crunch... I sold Boogie amps in Ontario, Canada in a music store that I managed in the late 1970's-early 1980's... We'd order ten MK-II amps at a time, some pre-sold, some for the floor... they didn't last long in the shop, and no doubt are still being enjoyed to this day. Thanks for the story, and the reissue guys!
Back in the 80's I was in a band and our guitarist used a Mesa and I loved the way it sounded, it blew the Marshalls away. Glad to see it updated and back in production.
You guys nailed the 80s clean tone just perfect. Great!!!
Thanks a lot!
Friendly correction, if I may ... Mesa Boogie Mark IIa was released late 1978, and ran to August of 1980, then followed by the Mark IIb.. I have one of the first Mark IIa Combos !
Wow, the amp I didn't know I wanted but no doubt have heard on a thousand recordings. Congratulations on a great release here!
Gibson managed to carry over there huge price tags to Mesa it looks like. This thing is 8k over here in Australia, that's crazy. Looks like it's a dentist or lawyer amp to go alone with their Les Paul in their office lol.
How is the price in Australia their fault? It's 3500 in US which is in line with a Soldano or Friedman product.
Drug money mate.
@@chrisodonnell3776 Got mine pre-ordered for $7499. Mesa’s always been expensive in Australia, since I bought my first Mesa amp (a Rev G Dual Rectifier) brand new for almost $4000…in 1999! You can’t blame Mesa for global inflation, the crappy conversion rate, import taxes and retailer markups.
To put in perspective, I bought a 1984 factory IIC+ HRX combo earlier this year for $6200 after looking for over a decade…and it’s still not SimulClass or with EQ onboard.
I feel okay about taking this one out on the road with me, whereas my vintage Mark collection (the IIC+, an ‘83 IIC SRX and a III Blue Stripe SRGX with R2 mod) won’t ever leave my studio. This is the first “new” Boogie amp I’ve bought in almost 30 years!
Soft-handed lawyers are their top customers
@@ewannowak1600 I'm not a lawyer, but rather a construction manager, but because I wanted a Mesa, I invested my time and bought one new. If you're serious about your music, spend less on other cheaper things and put your money saved towards your love for music. It's really that simple. But with that said, the Mark amps are expensive a balls. But rightfully so with the amount of R&D they put into them.
Bravo Mesa & Gibson for reissuing this fabled amp. No small task I’m sure. Very excited to see what the future brings for Mesa Boogie!!
❤❤❤ I was way high on acid in the late 80s and a guy was playing a Mesa mkII in a popular 80s band in Beaumont, Tx called the Pierre’s. Troy something. The sound came out like red fire and warmed my soul. And I was catching it like someone sitting in front of a fireplace. It was more than sound. It was a warm feeling, and I never felt so good from hearing a guitar through an amp. And Troy was a great guitarist. It was an amazing experience. As a guitarist, I started researching the Mk II and all the players that have used it. So this is incredible news. I can’t wait to try one out and hope it finds a home between my Z-Lux and my Silver Jubilee.
this is a huge win not just for guitarists but for music 🙌
I still have my Mark lll from way back and love it. I now use a triple rect and the envy of clubs but sound guys don’t like me. Thank you
I remember buying my first Mesa/Boogie back in the 90's
Had to call to Petaluma from Venezuela as we didn't have an official M/B dealer back there. And Doug took my order.
Actually. I wanted a Dual Caliber 30 combo and Doug told me they did not have any in stock and he would call me if they could build it.
Which he did. HE called back a week later and I placed the order.
Sweet amp that stayed with me when I moved to Europe.
Triaxis with the cabclone IR, in a shorter chassis, next 🤘🤘🤘 Already got this IIC+ on order but a Triaxis redux would be killer! Maybe the dynamic voice could be replaced with a small LCD screen or dot matrix LED that allows full GEQ operation in software/hardware 🤷♂️
Ola needs to demo one! That's what people want to hear.
Ola will stick a boost pedal in front of it & make it sound like every other amp he tests; sterile & with too much gain.
@@NinjaRunningWildyour slow Ola owns an original IIC+ and demos it on his channel WITHOUT a boost pedal. Playing MOP and black album riffs with settings from metallicas producer.
Great to see Doug West involved!
I’m just here for the comments from the amplifier snobs.😂
My favorite amp of all time. Wish I could own a real one but the neural plugin will have to do, it sounds absolutely incredible.
I really don't know why this wasn't reissued before Gibson took over (well I do, but don't quite understand Randall's thinking) I realize Artist don't like to re-paint the Mona Lisa but what do the fans/players want? Well here it is. Gibson/Boogie seem to have done it right too. Gibson, I hate your legal practices and disregard to smaller companies and the firing (we think at least, nothing official with explanation) of Randall but BRAVO on the MK2C+ reissue.
I just dont understand why the Mark 1 is not just a standard product available. Its like if Heinz didn't produce ketchup anymore cus "condiments have evolved".
Okay, but do they not give you enough already. 😊
As someone who still has an original, all of the comments asking about metal tones may be disappointed to know that you really can’t achieve a modern metal tone with these amps. Love the amp, but realize what the amp actually is and where it excels
I will say as a humble owner of a MarkV-25 with the 2c+ setting, and after initially playing through the JP2c; that it is possible to get the spirit of the master of puppets sound, if you set the EQ and graphic EQ just right and play those riffs.
Either way, it definitely has a sound that was recorded into history, and influenced genres ever since then. You just need to know how to operate and use it to where I feel quite confident in using my amp in most metal settings with the legacy of the iconic sound, even if I sometimes use the extreme setting that is now out of production with the mark VII release.
I have a feeling that the MarkV-25 and 35 models might be around for a while.
All the same, let’s wish the patriarch Randall Smith himself a happy retirement, given his elderly years, and celebrate the legacy sounds of Mesa boogie that influence genres since the 1970s when Carlos Santana first praised them.
@ I still have the head version of the mark v and I heavily favor the mark iv setting and eventually settled into using the extreme mode while reducing the 240 slider and actually only giving moderate reduction to the 750. Works amazingly well for my seven string stuff. The mark iic + setting and my original just aren’t quite right for what I try to achieve for moderns types of metal, but it does 80’s and rock so well it doesn’t matter.
By the by, and absolutely underrated piece of from mesa that is sadly off the market is the royal Atlantic. So glad I grabbed that one when I did because it can be an all out monster
@ one of my uncles is also a mesa boogie user, has a Mark five combo and eventually got the 35 head.
It was playing through the JP2C model, a few mark five head examples, and the utility of the graphic EQ that eventually led me to the mark V-25 that I have.
I'm waiting for the TRIAXIS reissue, a bit smaller and robust and LESS Noisy. With added IR options.
The Mark II came out in 1978 not 1980. I got my IIB in the late 70's after hearing Robben Ford's tone on Inside Story and hearing a local guitarist in Tucson at the time play through one. I asked Boogie to give it an overhaul (update the e-components, clean the pots, etc), a few years ago, and they refused since the amp was so old. Instead, they asked one of their employees to work on it after hours on his own time. In other words, Boogie wanted no part of the overhaul. I was really disappointed in their customer service and how I was treated.
That's sad. If I'm sending my amp to Petaluma, I'm requesting one guy work on it...Mike Bendinelli.
Guys, it was beautiful, smiled through the whole thing, the dedication to details is unbelievable, a lot of history background, an explanation of how the controls work, many cool tones and the settings under each of them, even though I was born in the 90s and never saw this amp in person I felt so emotional troughout the video as if I was there in the 80s when it was released. Thank you Mesa.
Thanks for watching!
@mesaboogie I'm glad to help!
You guys should consider reissuing the Studio Preamp as well to coincide somewhat with this release as they are EXTREMELY popular in the used market. 20 years ago you could get one for $300 used if you really looked, but now it would be a miracle to pay under $1500 for one. Often $2000 if they are in original & mint condition or even more, which is crazy, but they allow so much of the IIC+ tone to be had and used with essentially any power amp, which means they'd be a great seller as they would be much more in reach for most people to buy + people like the option of being able to tailor their sound with a power amp of their choice and personal preference of taste profile i.e. EL34 or 6550 rather than 6l6 etc. 👍🏻
Good lord, you are right... I just checked out the prices. Insane, they used to be cheap.
@uvicjames I regret not buying one I saw listed for $350 in mint condition when I was in high school back around 2009~2010.
I am having serious doubts that these new mark iic+ sound as sweet in the midrange as the originals because if there is one thing that Boogie, along with most classic makers of amplifiers, never seems to get right is that, even though they might sometimes go as far as making the circuit layout and topology definitively identical, that does not cover the remaining large significant % of capturing the sound of the individual components like capacitors & resistors if they are not either matched to the exact original part (not necessarily a big deal or even of importance at times) or, of actual importance & 100% necessity, that each part is matched to being of identical CONSTRUCTION to the original parts.
For instance, if an original amp has a signal path that consists almost entirely of, say, polyester/mylar film & foil construction Orange Drops, then they cannot simply be replaced with Polypropylene Orange Drops, instead, because there is a 100% chance it will cause a brighter more "HiFi" modern sound, rather a sound with fuller midrange and a 'warmer'/ 'creamier' lower midrange + fatigue-free upper midrange that you get with the polyester caps. If it's just literally one cap it wouldn't be a deal breaker, but that is never the case with guitar amps. I solder and test components daily with home audio & audiophile equipment, so I have a very firm understanding and lots of experience with this crucial aspect.
It goes beyond the specs & measurements down into the material science (which ARE measurable albeit just not with the equipment used to take most audio measurements).
AND That's just for signal capacitors, as one single example of what I am talking about regarding getting the components correct.
Now, that being said- I WOULD LOVE TO BE PROVEN WRONG in my doubts, as I believe this to be the absolutely undisputed king of high gain tone. There are very few things in life I can say that I hope I turn out to be wrong, or my worries to be found of never having any real concern with this reissue, rather 😊 .... And if so, then hats off to the guys at Mesa Boogie for taking the time to do it RIGHT unlike just about everyone else in the guitar amp world. 👍🏻
It's the very first time I learn how the hell all those knobs really work, I mean into the electronic design. Tks
One of the best tones ever ❤.
I have bought my first Mesa in 1996; a DC-3 (built in 1993).
I love this two channel amp that has been so faithful with me all along. I love its clear channel that can go from clear funky to a crunch à la SRV. And with the lead I passed over the Marshall of my other guitarist. Too bad that Mesa is not liked by amp repairers because of the motherboard.
It might be nice to also make a reissue of this jewelry.
Merci pour la passion.
Re-issue the Lonestar Special! You guys make everything work out so well.
I just sold my Lonestar Special. It was a great amp. Just a little too big for my new living situation.
I bought the Mark 7 and love the tones from it!!It has 11c+ in it and it is the iconic tone of the era !!
Its sound presents magnificent colours, it has a deadly bite!
I am a gigging country picker. Been a Boogie guy for a long time. A usable channel switching amp with perfect natural breakup is huge for me. Also the natural EQ of the Mark amps is dynamite for a live stage amp.
Gonna be picking up a new one.
This is a great looking amp! I would swap out the Black Shadow for a EVM12L. I'm a big fan of the Mark series amps having owned a Mark 4 and currently own a Mark 1 re-issue. I want this!!
My ears must really be blown out. I’m missing what is so ridiculously amazing about this amp. Doesn’t sound that much different than a MKIV???
my mark IV sounds WAY better than the 2C+ in this clip...really disappointed...
@@geraldrauch1701 most of the sound clips don't seem to use the EQ so would reserve judgement until some proper reviews come out
The DNA of MB Rectifier tech is in almost every amp after MarkIII's. They catered to the market nü metal/detuned heavy amplification as any smart business would follow the trends. You could argue MB's Rectal-fire series defined the market of high-gain amps for a season. Nonetheless, the audio clips on this vid sound nothing like MK4; as that amp was where Boogie's high gain offerings began losing the liquid sponginess (round sound) in favor of sharper edged tone.
@@lewismcnicholas2631 👍
@@rogerdat7807 👍
Seeing those old photos of Mike B is pretty cool. Good move doing this Mesa folks.
So glad they didn't try to modernize it at all, now please bring the Triaxxis back!
Damn, sounds fantastic! Great job guys! I have the JP version of it, and I love it, too. Love the IIC+ !
Crazy how a single channel amp is so desirable compared to other mesa amps out there
Part of my rig I have a pair of Mk 2 C+ modded preamps (clean and dirt) running through the old version of the 50/50 power amp. Aside from both have entirely different settings they are pure tone.
I'd take a used Mark IV over this from the sounds in the video
That's a nice Tom Anderson you got there. I remember when Doug used to come by Anderson Guitarworks when i worked there many years ago.
Best sounding Boogie. Why would you abandon it in the first place? Nothing else sounds like it. Some of the best sounding records had it.
Go look up some videos that A/B the Mark VII with an old IIC+. They’re indistinguishable.
Nice now we need an A B with the real deal and of course some high gain samples. This demo leaves so much to be desired...
They'd need to get the one they designed it after then, because there is NO "ONE" real deal like the JP2C, that's why some people LOVED one of their IIC+ and didn't care for the other, so if people start to compare the reissue to a random IIC+, ofc it's gonna be different, it's literally a different amp..
I actually kinda "ABd" with my '83 IIC+/++ DRG.
At the shred section, when they aired the short clip i copied the same settings they had on there RI and played the same riff its on the boogie forum.
IMO based on these demos it doesnt sound the same at all.
The RI atleast here sounds anemic, lifeless and compressed compared to mine.
But lets see when the real comparisons begin...
@@oyvey8526 TH-cam compresses all audio. 🤦
@@oyvey8526it’s TH-cam. You can’t compare sounds on here vs real life
@@axepharaoh The jp2c is not " the real deal". The mids are different.
Doug is a legend
PLAY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL TONES
I DON’T WANNA HEAR JOE BONAMASSA WANK OFF
WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT
Amen
SO excited about this amp!!!
I bring mine home either tomorrow or Thursday! I can't wait 🥳🤪
Man I’d love to get one of these! I have a multi effects pedal that has a model of this amp in it and it’s killer! The real deal must be a dream to play through.
Already have mine pre-ordered and my body is ready to play and hear this thing!!! Go team Mesa/Gibson!!! \m/
Excited AF!
Sounds just like my 87 mark3 red stripe, love it
Red stripes are awesome.
hope that someone will do AB test with vintage one
We will see very soon!
Ola will 100% do it. He has the old amp.
@@XYz-vy7tr 😂 No he doesn't! He can access one though.
@@NinjaRunningWildYes he does. It’s been on his channel multiple times.
Sounds really really close. I wonder how circuit looks like.
Mark V does a very nice 2C plus
I can remember like yesterday when these amps MK llc+came out I always had boogies ( combos. ) I loved my 50 caliber. My best friend had a Colosseum 300🔊
OK, good. And now please start working on reissues of the original Dual Rectifier, rev F preferably. I know you can do it. 😊
Gibson using Fenders in their videos - I love it! Positivity all around man!
How about those clean tones! Impressed. On the 80's clean was Dinesh using any pedals? - Thank you for also playing a Strat in this to give us a feel of how single coils will sound.
Just release a rackmount preamp of that thing and I’m all in!
Synergy system IIcp
Sticking with my pre-Gibson Dual Rectifier Multi-Watt 🎸👍🏻
Looks like a winner. Where’s 120v receptacle on the back? It’s a shame that feature didn’t make the cut.
I love that feature, so practical.
Can't wait!
I have a Mark V35 with the Mark IIC+ preamp mode in the OD channel along with 5 other modes. I can get ANYTHING out of that little amp.
Does this mean they’ll finally make more of the replacement knobs!?! (50 caliber+)
It remains as my favorite amp ever. I have heard it most of my life - from Metallica to Tears For Fears and all points in between: IIc's (and Mark III's) just everywhere. I'd argue that the studio pre stayed quite close to the magic. Anyway, I hope they stay in prod long enough for me to get one! I'll need to sell some things. . . LOL!
Still got my original IIc+ from the 80s! And I still love it. I thought it was a Mk III until I sent it back to Mesa to have it gone through and they contacted me and told me I had a IIc+ !
I found mine at Nadine's in Hollywood in 1990. I wanted a Mark III, couldn't afford it, almost bought an Engl. Saw this long chassis Mark II head and thought, "I'll see how it sounds." Played it for 10 seconds and was shocked at the huge clean headroom. I didn't know how to dial it in for the gain but had to have it. When I got it home, my mouth was on floor. Called Boogie to order something and was telling them about the amp. They told me to look above the power cable and see if there was a "+". There was. They said, "You have a really special amp there. You should hang onto it. If you ever want to sell it, call us first." Turns out, it's a long chassis DRG (Fully loaded - Reverb, Simul, EQ). This amp will never, ever get sold.
2:07 this guy sounds exactly like John Petrucci talking.
Yea I wasn't looking at the time and assumed it was JP.
Hahaha! A little quicker tempo in dudes speak, same tone and rasp as Petrucci though !!! 😂
Is the power cable hardwired or is it an IEC cable?
I don't think hardwired is allowed (for new products) anymore.
I have 2 originals I’m super curious to AB them against the reissue!!
Got the Lone Star.. would love to make a move on this.
Gonna need to see Petrucci demo one of these bad boys.
Doubtful. He’s got his own custom model.
@@vaportrails7943 And? I'm sure he would still play through one for a video for Mesa.
@@Eliphas_Elric You're "sure"?
@@NinjaRunningWild considering he’s been a lifelong 2C+ fan yeah I’m pretty sure if asked he’d shoot a demo video for Mesa, what’s your point?
Peep the pair of Rev G Blackface Silver Chassis Dual Rec reissues in the back
I neeeeeeeed it!
Cleans are nice
How about a triaxis with built in fx . A mesa modeler if you will thanks please.
Just get a kemper.
no I'm good I have a Fender Tonemaster Pro . I just think it would be cool to have a Mesa TUBE front end going into a Multifx unit.
@@dadnewdjent7592 Triaxis was pretty intense as far as fault finding goes. So they may not see it as cost efficient. For each channel there were multiple ldr ( light dependent resistors) alone to look at.
As much as I love my Studio Pre and 50:50 Power Amp, I really miss my .22 Caliber combo.
if Randall Smith wasn't around to design it, who did?
Mike Bendinelli is actually the one that initially came up with the + mod to the IIC circuit back in late 1983.
I'd. Like to see mesa boogie make a guitar prosessor you can use with headphones. And amps with on board effects. That can be customized!
I've seen many reviews of many amps, Boss Katana, Randall, Orange, Hiwatt and others. But I wonder what this amp brings to the table?..
Between the two,
would the Mk IIc+ be better choice than a Gorilla GG-80W 1x10" Guitar Combo Amp?
@OilCanHarry2U Go with the Gorilla. With the savings difference, you'll be able to send one of your grandchildren to college so that they can later identify your sarcasm as a threat to the motherland.
Please re-issue the Coliseum so we can play our guitars in the still of the night.
Well, next will be the Murphy Lab aged versions that harken back to the 80s with scarred tolex, old tubes and mythical orange capacitors from the “true tone” PAF company that truly give it that period correct look and sound. You’ll need to have a FICO score of 850, net worth of $5M and a floating rate note to get one….😂
Where’s Randall???
He left
Was politely fired
@@scription7277 it was a rhetorical question
@@drebatista oh, didn't get that sry
@@-cobainism- Wasn't that politely done, but....
I love it!! Possibile buy it in Italy?
Certo!!! A milano lo puoi già ordinare, per esempio da "gino guitar"
@ grazie mille!!!
What speaker is in the combo? Celestion C90? Edit…yup…had to wait until the end of the clip though…
I understand the importance of this amp and how hard and nice it is to bring it back and I have to say it makes me salivate lol! But it's 2024 and I can't understand why they didn't integrate an emulated DI output and attenuation. Also the presence and reverb controls at the back!?! I swear I want to like it, but...
Warm sounding amp , cool .
Leo, Jim & Randall ❤
Does the reissue have the same capacity to run a pair of EL34s to really nail simul-class awesomeness?
Nope.
it’s about time
The GOAT MESA