Yup my mom is that type woman. She’s married to a child predator and when u told he did and said inappropriate things to me as a child going into my teen years
Not everybody who invites you to the table wants you to be well fed like them. Some just want to see you struggle for the crumbs they give you and expect you to be grateful.
@@kylokevYES! I teared up when the hairstylist spoke about how Cleo made the tour fun because she offered Cleo a safe space and a friend when she needed one. I love that. May GOD bless them both. Amen.
First off ice spice gon say “you think the people that work for me is supposed to work for you” but yet you told this girl to come by herself as if she was going to be taken care of….. make it make sense Devil.
And after everything Cleo told her, all she got from it was a "hotel room". Ice no spice is very slow indeed, and in the live all you hear is "bro". She needs to work on her vocabulary. Talking about shits and farts. 🤣 🗑️
the secret steakhouse outing got me heated the most cause to me, personally, letting someone be hungry is a fully hateful offense. like if that’s not a sign of hate idk what is. hunger can be so painful physically and mentally.
Yeah it’s either fullproof cruelty or lack of common sense and inconsideration, when Ice promised Cleo that she got her and Cleo would be w her throughout the tour when she wasn’t she either was too dumb to understand the factors, needs, and assistance her guest that she went out of her way to invite would require given the amount of necessary budgeting and planning is involved in trips/tours or she maliciously gave a false promise to covertly torture and harass her supposed friend and make her feel small for her ego’s sake. Some parts of me feel that it could be both, because she gave a false assurance/promise that she ended up not keeping throughout the tour either to have Cleo arrive severely unprepared and suffer the way she did because if Ice knew that her promise wasn’t possible then why did she give it?? It’s like she completely contradicted herself saying “Nah I got you” then when Cleo tells her that she was stranded w no help in luggages, food, shelter, etc then Ice is like “Well they work for me, well they can’t do this, well why should they help you?” Like girl which one is it, did you really have her or not bc if you’re going to justify not being able to help her then you SHOULDN’T have told her you would????? But you chose to tell her that you got her back when you didn’t afterall and knew you wouldn’t based on your Twitter Space rant, so that leaves me the only logical explanation for you giving false promises was for her to endure what she endured…Otherwise if you knew she needed help solely from her label/team like you mentioned on Twitter you wouldn’t have given her the false promise..except you did Ice.. Ye no Ice is inconsistent and full of crap imo. When Cleo said Ice was CALCULATED I now see what she meant smh.
She been a bully . Remember when that women said that: “ice Spice had no stage presence” and Ice spice went straight for the women’s Features AND HER WEIGHT‼️.
I’m a mixed light skin girly and I can not stress ENOUGH how much it angers me when other light skin women act like this, hating on other black women it’s just gross, it renders a visceral reaction from me. And don’t get me going on the light girlies who hate on dark skinned women but fetishize and have children with dark skin men, to then take all their hate for dark skin women out on their daughters… FIX IT 🗣️
This is a STARK difference in how Meg did her tour. She billed it as Meg ft. Glo as opening act. The show started at 8 pm, and Glo was up there. She gave Glo 30-45min, and then Meg was up at 9pm. Very professional, very mindful, very supportive! 😂
Hi, could you please clarify one point for me from the video? It is somewhat related to your comment so I'm asking you. If the main show was supposed to start at 8:30 PM or 9 PM, what's the problem with Cleo going up on stage at 7:30 PM? I've never been to concerts so I'm not sure how opening acts and all their timings work. Is it because that time gap is too big?
@@satarupagingerkolay Usually when you say doors are open at x time and the show starts at y time, x time includes the opening acts. So to just tell people the show starts at y time completely erases any time given to openers. Shady behavior
@@satarupagingerkolay So in Ice's case, they didnt even have Cleotrapa announced so it was even worse but usually opening acts go a few minutes after the show starts. They would have it announced in the tickets what time the show starts and that includes the opening act(s). Cleo going at that time, even if it was announced they would start then, means that her act would only be seen by a few people since it takes a while to fill up the venue, it was too early compared to the main act meaning people were sitting down tired in between acts and some people prefer to only see the main act giving less attention and visualisation to the opening act. Hope that explains and you should definitely go to a concert of an artist you like!
@@tunamayhoe Thank You! This helps a lot. O My God, then that's horrible for Cleo. From the video I got how much she was disrespected but this explanation made it even worse, and borderline unethical and unprofessional.
@@satarupagingerkolay If a show starts at 8:30, no one will be there at 7:30. Opening acts don't start until after the advertised time, let alone the main act.
lowkey cuz i dont wanna be that person but some of the people ice surrounds herself around seem kind, like riot for example, theyre been friends since forever but I cant help but think hes being manipulated or something, just poor people who cant see they have someone evil in their life. Cuz the way they treat others is very telling, and if theyre different with you, like theres something to be said
It’s simple. Ice latched on to Cleo right before she blew up, then kept her around to bite her aesthetic. She gave her breadcrumbs aka the tour as her form of paying her back. She’s treating Cleo like crap because she doesn’t need her anymore, she’s used her for what she wanted already.
What I liked the most about this situation. Is that Cleo only exposed ice’s attitude during that tour and didn’t use the situation to bash her about something else that have nothing to do with what happened before between them
@@Iamliterallyjustagirlonline that tour was finna open NO doors her set was literally BEFORE the show like who tf is she supposed to perform to if only 1/4th or less of the audience arrive. That’s not even an opening act, opening acts are once the event begins (and are mentioned in the lineup..) -the event didn’t even begin yet. Poor Cleo was offered Rehearsal Act because HUH?? Poor baby wasn’t even on the official flyer or part of the ‘And Friends’ heading if we bein fr
That part!! Cleo been that girl for years and she epitomizes New York. Miss spice might be from here but she never gave that same energy to me at least
A lot of people are saying how THEY would’ve reacted or how Cleo SHOULD have but I’m happy she handled herself well. We all know Cleo would’ve tore ice spice ass UPP had she took it there but how would that have made her look? She would’ve been another angry black aggressive female that’s hard to work with… I’m proud of you Cleo 💕
I think her response was very mature and you can tell she’s always seems so calm and level headed, where as ice spice to me just seems empty. Like Ice spice strikes me as one of those mean girls who uses silence and mean stares, accusing everyone of being jealous of her 🙄. Cleo was being silent as a sign of being respectful and keeping the peace. Like the way ice responded to the story time on live was so telling.
@@akiraqil9902 it pulled a nerve bc Ice likely struggles w her relationship w other women and struggles sustaining genuine friendships in her past (Stormie, her own mom, her mentor/Nicki, Taylor, and now Cleo - and that’s just her friendships during her journey to fame how much more earlier in her life) She probably knew that her being friendless is a reflection of her character and inability to value and sustain interpersonal relationships. People who can’t keep friends are usually those w toxic traits or crappy personalities - be it fake, disingenuous, etc. When she told Cleo that she calls everyone jealous of her, it felt like a cope to absolve herself from her own wrongdoings and how she treated others, like a convenient lie to victimize herself when she is in fact the common denominator..
Except no, yall think Nicki is a bully because she doesn’t take shit from these birds. I actually think all these female rappers are fake as shit and Nicki clocks that tea all the time
Woo chile, as a matter of fact I’m pretty sure I remember icey spicey saying she was a bully back in high school so… she’s just a famous mean girl basically
She lied. Some of her classmates actually said she was lame and not liked by anyone. A bum also, but that was beyond her control 😂😂😂 both her parents worked at McDonalds and raised 6 kids on McDonald’s salary so go figure🫠🫠🫠😂😂😂
@@frankiem4062them people be just as bad as the high school bullies 😂 they usually just do a switcheroo, the bullies peak in high school and become lames, and the lames who were lame bc they genuinely suck in person, take all that pent up rage and become grown ass bullies
@@LisasRealSpill I agree! I just wish Cleo would’ve said No! If they weren’t thinking about you when the tour started and invited you last minute that’s a big red flag!
Ice has a mean spirit and she's in need of a real humbling experience. "Your music is not that good and you're not even a good person either" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Zach!
What I find interesting is that if the tour hadn’t been last minute, Ice Spice could have made Cleo sign agreements to keep everything behind the scenes confidential, protecting her image. However, due to Ice Spice's apparent "guilt," we’re seeing everything unfold. The truth is, Cleo wouldn’t have shared her experience without that last-minute invitation, and I'm glad she could speak freely without any confidentiality constraints.
I'm talking about, she would've had to cancel her show bc he way I would've destroyed her. Cleo is def better than me bc I'm angry as hell listening to this as if it happened to me. I would've walked the dog with that ssa!!!
0:21 "Listen baby I know ur music isn't that good, but ur not that good as a person either". DAMN! Zach is really in his "zero f**ks imma say what I want" ERA and I am livin for it
What makes things even worse for me hearing her story is that I was at the Philly concert. I’m not a fan of Ice at all but my 17 year old niece is she wanted to go with a few of her friends so I had to attend b/c they are all 17. We arrived early and got seated and we were happy that we came early b/c we had no idea Cleo was performing. You were right she came performed during the time tickets were being collected. She had a very short amount of time and someone came and told her to leave the stage which we didn’t understand b/c Ice didn’t come out for atleast another hour so they didn’t want her to have any shine and she was doing a great job for it just to be her. After the show we seen Cleo and she was standing in a corner looking like she was crying. I asked her right away if she was okay you could clearly see she wasn’t. She was very nice and took pictures anyway. My niece got a picture with Ice no problem and she was smiling my niece is light skin. Her friend wanted a picture Ice said I’m in a hurry to her dark skin friend she took the picture anyway but looked irritated so she only posted the picture with Cleo. After that Ice left and Cleo was coming back in to grab a suit case. My boyfriend offered to help her b/c nobody else did. So now me knowing exactly what she was going through during this 30 day tour made me shed a few tears I’m not going even lie. Nobody I know better not even play an Ice Spice song around me at all. As big as they make Ice seem the venue wasn’t sold out it was a lot of empty seats so much though people were able to get different seats with no problem
@@Siabeysmentit really depends. Look at how this story has exposed her true character. God has a way of making things line up and chileee the Queue is there and it’s single file
I don’t believe Cleo saying anything about the bag situation is what made Ice treat her differently. Ice was always planning on treating her a certain way from the jump.
Let’s not forget the knicks game when I’ve was doing the most for the camera. Cleo was just sitting there not even paying attention and everyone was posting: “who is dark skin shordy sitting next to her. I want her.” That’s what really ate her up low key.
It sounds like they didn’t intend on her accepting their offer. Ice spice’s response told it all because she said everything but Cleo was lying. Anytime somebody talks around something instead of addressing it, they’re full of shit.
I'm not surprised about Ice Spice. She follows after Nicki Minaj. The entertainment industry in general does not prefer BLACK women. Light skin girls is the majority of what is pushed and it's TIRED.
Cleo has a vibe that cant be recreated tbh!! that ONTO of the colorism narrative u spoke on is SO real to the point where as a DSBW i dont speak on it anymore bc its only seen as bitterness but thats real asf
I had a hs “friend” I grew up with JUST LIKE THIS! I have so many stories of my old friends. I walked away back in 2020 & life has been great ever since. Nice knowing ya 🤸🏾♀️
OMG....ME TOO! I just cut it off...no explanation. I've been peeping low key stuff for years. And what they'll do to gaslight you is sometimes, they'll be generous, etc. It's to confuse you!
I felt that frfr when someone was on your team and supported you and really cared about you and you treat them like ish is messed up. Thats why alot of ppl dont trust ppl now a days.
@@mrscandip1979 Nvermjnd he was lying he was never there the hairstylist said he was never there and we know what she look like cuz Cleo did a TikTok with her
That and she didn't like that Cleo voiced her opinion. She most likely wanted Cleo to take it and hush about it. Ice is probably used to everyone not saying anything to her so when Cleo did, she got upset.
thank you!! 🙌🏾👏🏾i was thinking this the ENTIRE video. the fact that she invited Cleo the day before the tour started… ice never wanted her there! i could see ice’s PR team setting this up cuz shawty couldn’t even fake the funk for the tour😭
This whole fiasco has made me despise Ice in ways I never thought possible. Never knew another person's story of being helpless and treated like this could make MY blood boil.
6:11 coming from a lightskin Afro-Latina, I saw this so much (especially since I went to predominantly yt schools) and I called it out every time. I also dislike how people think that simply because I’m lightskin that I have internalised anti-blackness and that I won’t call these things out. Even seeing this with non-black Latinas in my high school, you will never catch me subjecting another black woman to that kind of pain.
Cleo is so strong to have stayed for this whole tour and made sure she fulfilled the commitment she made to her fans and her professionalism. I’m proud of her.
Since you asked at the end about if we wanted more lengthy calls... the answer is YES! really like how we just spent time with you reacting together cause I was doing and saying all the same stuff at the same points lol. This was good! More like this for sure!
SN: Zach your progress and fitness and overall self care journey has been inspiring. EVERYTIME you’re on camera you’re glowing, you look amazing! Keep fighting boo🤎
Constructive criticism...Cleo should have joined ice at a later date, maybe delay coming for one week so she can organise herself better and talk to her management. A show put together in one day with no budget would not be of any good quality..better not to perform at all
Let’s be real and clear though, even if cleo joined ice at a later date, would cleo be treated any different than the experience she had if cleo did use that whole week to prepare herself?
I'm so happy you're covering this, Zach! I just saw Eloho's video recapping all of Cleo's story and Isis' response..I was so scared this was gonna get buried!!
As a light skin 27 female that’s black-and-white .. that grew up in a public white dominant school. I agree with you on how light skin woman’s perspective on a dark woman can be
11:21 the gag is ice spice AINT Nigerian 😭. Her father side she claims to be Nigerian is ethnically black American. She just has self hatred for herself. The only way I can see her being Nigerian after that is from her mother’s side. But after that her heritage on her fathers side is American
As a Black gay man, I really wish we would stop making vulgar references to women’s bodies…only to turn around and talk about the patriarchy. It’s very disrespectful to women, including our mothers and grandmothers. It’s so unnecessary to keep doing that. Update: I SAID WHAT I SAID 🤷🏾♂️
40:17 I feel like Ice Spice would have been acting weird even if Cleo never said anything about the suitcase situation. Then she would have to look back farther to see when Ice Spice REALLY switched up on her
I’ve seen Cleo’s video a few times but I’m glad I listened to your take part by part. Bc we’re SO close to being able to prove this colorism where nobody can act like we’re crazy
Prove? It’s mad obvious. Everytime a light skin girl act like this I understand why dark skin Black girls avoided me in school. My autistic ass didn’t get it then but NOW, I do. I feel like I need to gather all the light girlies to a community circle and tell them all to get it together because we looking like wannabe colonizers at this point. It gets me so mad broooooo. Black girls are it and we can admire and uplift without being jealous and weaponizing colorism. It’s nastyyy work and honestly she look the type fr. Also mean girls are not cute universally whatever you look like.
What’s crazy is as a fellow NYer I felt the pain, anger, confusion, disgust and disappointment in every video Cleo posted. Every single word Cleo has said was exactly how it went down
something particularly sinister about making another woman feel unsafe around men on the road.
U know what,I didn’t even think about this.Thank god she doesn’t have that type of story 💯
Yup my mom is that type woman. She’s married to a child predator and when u told he did and said inappropriate things to me as a child going into my teen years
This!!!🔥🤌
Yup! This is what it's about and going out of her way to alienate her
The movie Playas club hotel scene is still traumatizing to see
Not everybody who invites you to the table wants you to be well fed like them. Some just want to see you struggle for the crumbs they give you and expect you to be grateful.
Well said.
THIS 🗣️
What a word 💯👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
And it’s almost sick how they put energy into being trifling instead of not speaking or involving themselves at all
Thank you 👐🏾
Ice spice starving Cleo AND the makeup artist and hairstylist for being nice to Cleo is CRAZYYY..
And you could see Cleo’s face light up when she talked about the hairstylist and how fun it was with her
@@kylokevYES! I teared up when the hairstylist spoke about how Cleo made the tour fun because she offered Cleo a safe space and a friend when she needed one. I love that. May GOD bless them both. Amen.
I feel so bad for them. I hope the hairstylist and makeup artist quit. They all deserve better.
She fired them
Right!!!! Having secret eatings is crazy 🥴😩🤦🤦
Ice telling Cleo "enjoy being careerless" is crazy cuz she barely has a career herself now lmao
She’s utterly unhinged 😂😂😂
Ice just be saying shit
It's wild because we been knew Cleo, Ice weird azs came up after her. And I can guarantee she was on Cleo 🍆 prior to her really getting on!
It’s honestly up to us to support her.
Her head got big bc she was sent to replace someone but ppl are already tired of her like you can't be talentless and a bully.
First off ice spice gon say “you think the people that work for me is supposed to work for you” but yet you told this girl to come by herself as if she was going to be taken care of….. make it make sense Devil.
ice lice slow
Exactly like you invited her!!!
@@user-uf9xk1uv2zshe was in special ed in hs
And after everything Cleo told her, all she got from it was a "hotel room". Ice no spice is very slow indeed, and in the live all you hear is "bro". She needs to work on her vocabulary. Talking about shits and farts. 🤣 🗑️
Cleo looked HURT. Ice lost a genuine friend. I don’t think she cares tho
And she doesn’t. They never do smh. A REAL friend is hard to come by. She fumbled!
she doesn’t have the capacity to care
She will one day
Ice wasn't her friend to begin with
Some people don't understand how valuable a friend like that is
the secret steakhouse outing got me heated the most cause to me, personally, letting someone be hungry is a fully hateful offense. like if that’s not a sign of hate idk what is. hunger can be so painful physically and mentally.
like for me that’s the part that’s the most hateful and repugnant. like huh? Huh?
And the missing $700...where her money, who did that shit
Fr and she’s preforming she needs to eat
@@Theemultidimensionalgoddess Right!? Like does she want Cleo to pass out!
Yeah it’s either fullproof cruelty or lack of common sense and inconsideration, when Ice promised Cleo that she got her and Cleo would be w her throughout the tour when she wasn’t she either was too dumb to understand the factors, needs, and assistance her guest that she went out of her way to invite would require given the amount of necessary budgeting and planning is involved in trips/tours or she maliciously gave a false promise to covertly torture and harass her supposed friend and make her feel small for her ego’s sake. Some parts of me feel that it could be both, because she gave a false assurance/promise that she ended up not keeping throughout the tour either to have Cleo arrive severely unprepared and suffer the way she did because if Ice knew that her promise wasn’t possible then why did she give it?? It’s like she completely contradicted herself saying “Nah I got you” then when Cleo tells her that she was stranded w no help in luggages, food, shelter, etc then Ice is like “Well they work for me, well they can’t do this, well why should they help you?” Like girl which one is it, did you really have her or not bc if you’re going to justify not being able to help her then you SHOULDN’T have told her you would????? But you chose to tell her that you got her back when you didn’t afterall and knew you wouldn’t based on your Twitter Space rant, so that leaves me the only logical explanation for you giving false promises was for her to endure what she endured…Otherwise if you knew she needed help solely from her label/team like you mentioned on Twitter you wouldn’t have given her the false promise..except you did Ice..
Ye no Ice is inconsistent and full of crap imo. When Cleo said Ice was CALCULATED I now see what she meant smh.
She been a bully . Remember when that women said that: “ice Spice had no stage presence” and Ice spice went straight for the women’s Features AND HER WEIGHT‼️.
right!
And the girl ice spice tried to diss is beautiful 🤦🏾♀️
That’s what her other friend said. Ice has a mean spirit that’s why Nicki backed away from spice
Oh I'm fuming, I've not hated a celebrity so much in a while. Oh I hate nothing more than a grown ass bully.
@@Ms.Kay77true, but also the irony
I’m a mixed light skin girly and I can not stress ENOUGH how much it angers me when other light skin women act like this, hating on other black women it’s just gross, it renders a visceral reaction from me. And don’t get me going on the light girlies who hate on dark skinned women but fetishize and have children with dark skin men, to then take all their hate for dark skin women out on their daughters… FIX IT 🗣️
Girl SAME! And it makes my blood boil. FIX 👏🏽 IT👏🏽!
You so real for this 🙌🏾
This was a word bc SAME, it’s gross. And a serious problem in the community that I do NOT stand for!
Exactly it's disgusting!
Yall only heard one side of the street
This is a STARK difference in how Meg did her tour. She billed it as Meg ft. Glo as opening act. The show started at 8 pm, and Glo was up there. She gave Glo 30-45min, and then Meg was up at 9pm.
Very professional, very mindful, very supportive! 😂
Hi, could you please clarify one point for me from the video? It is somewhat related to your comment so I'm asking you. If the main show was supposed to start at 8:30 PM or 9 PM, what's the problem with Cleo going up on stage at 7:30 PM? I've never been to concerts so I'm not sure how opening acts and all their timings work. Is it because that time gap is too big?
@@satarupagingerkolay Usually when you say doors are open at x time and the show starts at y time, x time includes the opening acts. So to just tell people the show starts at y time completely erases any time given to openers. Shady behavior
@@satarupagingerkolay So in Ice's case, they didnt even have Cleotrapa announced so it was even worse but usually opening acts go a few minutes after the show starts. They would have it announced in the tickets what time the show starts and that includes the opening act(s). Cleo going at that time, even if it was announced they would start then, means that her act would only be seen by a few people since it takes a while to fill up the venue, it was too early compared to the main act meaning people were sitting down tired in between acts and some people prefer to only see the main act giving less attention and visualisation to the opening act. Hope that explains and you should definitely go to a concert of an artist you like!
@@tunamayhoe Thank You! This helps a lot. O My God, then that's horrible for Cleo. From the video I got how much she was disrespected but this explanation made it even worse, and borderline unethical and unprofessional.
@@satarupagingerkolay If a show starts at 8:30, no one will be there at 7:30. Opening acts don't start until after the advertised time, let alone the main act.
Isis and Cleopatra beefing…not the ancient Egypt tea. 😭😭 Who else is listening to this in their headphones at work rn??😂😂
Lol
Meeee! lol 🤣
It is giving ancient egypt lmaooo😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
Like Latto and Ice spice was beefing, sound like Starbucks drinks 💀
It was never about the luggage. She didn’t like you. Never did. Some people pull you close to them just to abuse you. Beware. Leave the first time.
thats what I said... the luggage definitely wasn't the start of it
So real😊
@@tiarice9219 we seen her carrying her luggage smh I feel so horrible b/c I didn’t know she was going through all of this behind the scenes smh
💯💯
lowkey cuz i dont wanna be that person but some of the people ice surrounds herself around seem kind, like riot for example, theyre been friends since forever but I cant help but think hes being manipulated or something, just poor people who cant see they have someone evil in their life. Cuz the way they treat others is very telling, and if theyre different with you, like theres something to be said
well, the thing with ice is that it melts under heat, so i dont see her lasting any longer
naaahh you ate that🤣🤣😭
Gagged
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
wtff that was a barrrr😭😭
Clock that tea!😂
It’s simple. Ice latched on to Cleo right before she blew up, then kept her around to bite her aesthetic. She gave her breadcrumbs aka the tour as her form of paying her back. She’s treating Cleo like crap because she doesn’t need her anymore, she’s used her for what she wanted already.
Ice Spice invited her on tour to humiliate and belittle her and to remind her that she is 'beneath" Spice
What I liked the most about this situation. Is that Cleo only exposed ice’s attitude during that tour and didn’t use the situation to bash her about something else that have nothing to do with what happened before between them
Ice spice slander : APPROVED
No slander if it's true.
Im ready... Cuz baby icicles can gone on about her bizz...
🤣🤣🤣
If that’s your real pfp you are really pretty
😅😂😂
The feeling when you realize your friend hates and envies you, AND was actively setting you up to fail…ugh I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. It’s awful
I went through a situation like that last year and it still hurts.
That is not a friend.
@@Electra9797 me too! Was there something in the water last year, because I’ve heard so many similar experiences
@@rerebrook5057 💯
I don’t know how Cleo made it through the whole tour cause I would’ve crashed tf out after my card was stolen!
💯💯💯🤣
She said it, she thought this tour was going to open doors for her so she was thugging it out so to speak. I would have left
@@Iamliterallyjustagirlonline that tour was finna open NO doors her set was literally BEFORE the show like who tf is she supposed to perform to if only 1/4th or less of the audience arrive. That’s not even an opening act, opening acts are once the event begins (and are mentioned in the lineup..) -the event didn’t even begin yet. Poor Cleo was offered Rehearsal Act because HUH?? Poor baby wasn’t even on the official flyer or part of the ‘And Friends’ heading if we bein fr
Dark skin girls take on so much struggle...
@@tamarawilliams1197 fr
New Netflix documentary: Munching on Thin Ice....
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
damn that's interesting tho fr i would watch it lol
I've seen many break downs of this situation & this was hands down the most entertaining 🤣🙌
Literally !!!
Facts, I actually replayed this because his commentary is so hilarious lol
Hello!!! Zach makes it worth every minute
It's entertaining as hell 😂 but I believe Cleo
Deadass
Cleo getting like emotional a minute into the video has me believing her immediately because she is not one to cry or ask for pity on the internet
Exactly, she's hurt fr😢
Meanwhile I knew Cleo years before Ice even came on the scene…also Ice not remembering the name of Cleo’s song was red flag anyway
LOOOONNGGGGG before Ice I first found her doing the IG videos on how to pronounce words lol
@@momintim LOL exactly!!! Like Cleo was so funny I have been following her for years
That part!! Cleo been that girl for years and she epitomizes New York. Miss spice might be from here but she never gave that same energy to me at least
Side note: this Cleopatra chick can actually rap
Cleotrapa
Lies
@Imadeyoumadddd You think miss fart/poop is better than miss Cleo? 🤨
@@Imadeyoumaddddok weirdo
Probably why Ice Bigheaded Spice is acting a way towards her
A lot of people are saying how THEY would’ve reacted or how Cleo SHOULD have but I’m happy she handled herself well. We all know Cleo would’ve tore ice spice ass UPP had she took it there but how would that have made her look? She would’ve been another angry black aggressive female that’s hard to work with… I’m proud of you Cleo 💕
And i think they expected her to act that way so that they can justify Ice saying all that weird stuff about her
@@TheRealLordPencil💯‼️
I think her response was very mature and you can tell she’s always seems so calm and level headed, where as ice spice to me just seems empty. Like Ice spice strikes me as one of those mean girls who uses silence and mean stares, accusing everyone of being jealous of her 🙄. Cleo was being silent as a sign of being respectful and keeping the peace. Like the way ice responded to the story time on live was so telling.
EXACTLY
@@TheRealLordPencil1000000%
The hair stylist was an angel! And im sure ole girl was annoyed that someone was being kind to Cleo.
Girl the bag situation already would have me booking a flight home and ghostin Lice Spice 🤣
I said the same thing. 💯🤣🤣 Oh no!
Ghosted so hard! She’d wonder if she’d imagined the whole friendship 🤣👻
Absolutely! and her card was USED! No ma’am!!! Cleo got robbed and no one cared like what…
@@alkahinat4558😭😭😭😭😭
Exactly!!
when she said, "I'm a real Nigerian I come from money you see that Green and White" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! she ate her up 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wait when did she say that I wanna hear it 💚🤍
Ice wanted her to flip out! Cleo didn't give Ice what she wanted. Proud of u Cleo. Keep up taking care of yourself
I agree with you. She wanted to have her acting crazy so that she can justify the whole she is jealous of me shit
@@TheRealLordPencil she want people to be jealous of her untalented funky looking self so bad. like does she not have any siblings?
@@TheRealLordPencil Yep! And she can remain unbothered, nonchalant, and not held accountable
Man, when Ice Spice falls on her face, she's gonna have no one in her corner.
Goody for ha asz
Maybe Riot lol
@@mariabrown6926 i think when ice spice stops making riot money, she’s going to fall out with him too
Side note cleotrapa is one of the best story tellers I have ever listened to
I am in my SEAT
and IS.
pass the white cheddar popcorn
perioooodt.
OKAY
The way I CAN'T STAND diaper poopy head anymore
i dont like how ice said she career less like she didnt just ATTEMPTED to use nicki flow and wigs inspirations 😭
And i love how she was so triggered by that remark in particular. You can tell that was personal.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@exlipx omg this is so unrelated but ur pfp is so adorb girl 😭
@@akiraqil9902 it pulled a nerve bc Ice likely struggles w her relationship w other women and struggles sustaining genuine friendships in her past (Stormie, her own mom, her mentor/Nicki, Taylor, and now Cleo - and that’s just her friendships during her journey to fame how much more earlier in her life) She probably knew that her being friendless is a reflection of her character and inability to value and sustain interpersonal relationships. People who can’t keep friends are usually those w toxic traits or crappy personalities - be it fake, disingenuous, etc. When she told Cleo that she calls everyone jealous of her, it felt like a cope to absolve herself from her own wrongdoings and how she treated others, like a convenient lie to victimize herself when she is in fact the common denominator..
@@melinatedthinka8210💯
Ice spice called the kettle black. What she didn't like about Nicki is what she hated about herself.
Like holding up a mirror
Except Nicki is reasonable and wouldn’t treat somebody close to her like that. Nicki just don’t take no bullshit. Ice just straight up disrespectful.
Except no, yall think Nicki is a bully because she doesn’t take shit from these birds. I actually think all these female rappers are fake as shit and Nicki clocks that tea all the time
@@TheRealLordPencilsome of them like Meg and Cleo and Remy are real af but notice Nicki doesn’t like it when she gets called out by them
@@TheRealLordPencilsome of them like Meg and Cleo and Remy are real af but notice Nicki doesn’t like it when she gets called out by them
Cleo got that stage presence and personality that Ice is so jealous of !
To tell someone “you’re good you’re with me” then not give them food or a room???
She will get her karma lol
Woo chile, as a matter of fact I’m pretty sure I remember icey spicey saying she was a bully back in high school so… she’s just a famous mean girl basically
She lied. Some of her classmates actually said she was lame and not liked by anyone. A bum also, but that was beyond her control 😂😂😂 both her parents worked at McDonalds and raised 6 kids on McDonald’s salary so go figure🫠🫠🫠😂😂😂
@@frankiem4062 figured that… Considering the fact that she said “now I’m rocking balenci.. I remember I couldn’t afford ‘em”
@@frankiem4062them people be just as bad as the high school bullies 😂 they usually just do a switcheroo, the bullies peak in high school and become lames, and the lames who were lame bc they genuinely suck in person, take all that pent up rage and become grown ass bullies
Baby storme I think said that Ice used to bully her before becoming her friend
Now she is just a lame with a fake rap career
Her whole team was in on this situation
Yep! ICE manger tried to gaslight Cleo too on twitter.
I agree
@@EstherFavorr I feel the whole team was in on it cause if I didn’t know nothing as the manager I would’ve been asking questions
@@LisasRealSpill I agree! I just wish Cleo would’ve said No! If they weren’t thinking about you when the tour started and invited you last minute that’s a big red flag!
@@EstherFavorr Yes I agree but the most important thing is she learnt a lesson out of this situation
Ice has a mean spirit and she's in need of a real humbling experience. "Your music is not that good and you're not even a good person either" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Zach!
What I find interesting is that if the tour hadn’t been last minute, Ice Spice could have made Cleo sign agreements to keep everything behind the scenes confidential, protecting her image. However, due to Ice Spice's apparent "guilt," we’re seeing everything unfold. The truth is, Cleo wouldn’t have shared her experience without that last-minute invitation, and I'm glad she could speak freely without any confidentiality constraints.
The tour was slated for when it was slated. The invite to Cleo was delayed. Not the tour.
@@ddoubleu170 oh yes that’s what I meant the invitation being delayed not the tour* y’all know what I mean!
The very moment Ice called Nicki delusional, and that was exposed. Her career has not stopped going downhill.
Nicki is just as trashy, maybe ice learned from her
Oooppp! Not an hour! I love this for us! 😂😂
Eating GOODT
Didn’t realize how long the video was until I saw your comment😂
He was so quick with it too!
not me with my cucumber salad 😂😂😂 nosey
Me too, 😂😂😂😂
@@mo-whack6790 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I gotta try this cucumber salad out😂I've been seeing it everywhere lol
Shoutout to Logan 🤣👏🏾
Not in front of your salaaaad 😂
ice is a narcissist! she would’ve caught these hands
Her head got REAL big after working with Nicki.
Periodt
@@ShesMajickal_frr but then again shes BEEN feeling entitled since munch came out 😭😭 she don’t deserve the fame
Most of these rappers are
I'm talking about, she would've had to cancel her show bc he way I would've destroyed her. Cleo is def better than me bc I'm angry as hell listening to this as if it happened to me. I would've walked the dog with that ssa!!!
Also notice how she really never denied any of the accusations
LMFAOOO he said “And I’m up here with your curly fro ass” that took me outttt😂😂😂😂🤣
as a new yorker, she was not talking abt a rap cypher 😭 “cyph” is basically a 🍃 sesh
I just felt it in my spirit that this video would be dropping soon
Not the feeling in the Spirit. Yessss spirit, speakkkk😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
0:21 "Listen baby I know ur music isn't that good, but ur not that good as a person either". DAMN! Zach is really in his "zero f**ks imma say what I want" ERA and I am livin for it
What makes things even worse for me hearing her story is that I was at the Philly concert. I’m not a fan of Ice at all but my 17 year old niece is she wanted to go with a few of her friends so I had to attend b/c they are all 17. We arrived early and got seated and we were happy that we came early b/c we had no idea Cleo was performing. You were right she came performed during the time tickets were being collected. She had a very short amount of time and someone came and told her to leave the stage which we didn’t understand b/c Ice didn’t come out for atleast another hour so they didn’t want her to have any shine and she was doing a great job for it just to be her. After the show we seen Cleo and she was standing in a corner looking like she was crying. I asked her right away if she was okay you could clearly see she wasn’t. She was very nice and took pictures anyway. My niece got a picture with Ice no problem and she was smiling my niece is light skin. Her friend wanted a picture Ice said I’m in a hurry to her dark skin friend she took the picture anyway but looked irritated so she only posted the picture with Cleo. After that Ice left and Cleo was coming back in to grab a suit case. My boyfriend offered to help her b/c nobody else did. So now me knowing exactly what she was going through during this 30 day tour made me shed a few tears I’m not going even lie. Nobody I know better not even play an Ice Spice song around me at all. As big as they make Ice seem the venue wasn’t sold out it was a lot of empty seats so much though people were able to get different seats with no problem
My heart sank reading that, wow
So depressing. Forget about Ice Spice. I never want to see her again.
That’s Sus ❌
That’s Calculated ✅
The higher does not always put you in situations to see if you will carry on in the situation but to see if you know when to move away from it.
Whew 🫢🥲👏👏👏👏👏A word!
Thank you because I whole heartedly disagree that struggle and mistreatment means being tested
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Ameen!
@@Siabeysmentit really depends. Look at how this story has exposed her true character. God has a way of making things line up and chileee the Queue is there and it’s single file
Ice spice 15 mins is lasting longer than it should. Somebody show her the door....🚪
Ice spice is the joke that people took to seriously
nope
someone needs to show her to the dustbin because that's where trash goes
👏🙌 cause BYE!!!!😂
IMMEDIATELY!!
show her the trash can
That’s what we get for letting garlic powder become famous
😂😂😂 oh no....not garlic powder
The great value, dollar tree version.
@@distinctlydri2831😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Blame black men for making her famous
I don’t believe Cleo saying anything about the bag situation is what made Ice treat her differently. Ice was always planning on treating her a certain way from the jump.
Ice spice: “ I’m starting to notice a pattern “ translation “every black girl I give “opportunities” to exposes me.”
your reactions were literally my exact ones 😭 gasps, deep sighs, shaking heads, all that… like being shocked and not at the same time smfh
I thought there was something wrong with my notifications because I thought Ice Spice BEEN exposed as a bully by Baby Storme.
You know blk people like to give too many chances and turn a blind eye.
Nobody cares about baby Storms sadly.
Yeah a lot of people just called her a hater and moved on 😢
Nobody believed her cuz she was also saying some other crazy shit from a possible mental break so it was all discredited to some ppl
@JosefinaQB This because I'm ngl it made me question her too and I like B.S.
When I saw how PAINFULLY boring she was on Kai’s stream, I automatically believed whatever Cleo said.
Let’s not forget the knicks game when I’ve was doing the most for the camera. Cleo was just sitting there not even paying attention and everyone was posting: “who is dark skin shordy sitting next to her. I want her.” That’s what really ate her up low key.
idk. the word bully doesn't seem to fully grasp the situation. so heartbreaking
Narcissist...Jezebel Spirit
Barbz and Bardi gang hear me out. The one good thing Nicki and Cardi have in common is that they look out for their friends.
Cardi b is a bully you saw her on Love and hip hop. Good friend? They just ain’t fall out yet 😮
Nah I’d have to box Ice for that
😂😂
lmfao not the icebox match💀🤣
Deadass
OOOOOON 🗣🗣SIIIIIIGGGGHHT🗣 NO TALKING MY G
😂😂😂
It sounds like they didn’t intend on her accepting their offer. Ice spice’s response told it all because she said everything but Cleo was lying. Anytime somebody talks around something instead of addressing it, they’re full of shit.
I'm not surprised about Ice Spice. She follows after Nicki Minaj. The entertainment industry in general does not prefer BLACK women. Light skin girls is the majority of what is pushed and it's TIRED.
Cleo has a vibe that cant be recreated tbh!! that ONTO of the colorism narrative u spoke on is SO real to the point where as a DSBW i dont speak on it anymore bc its only seen as bitterness but thats real asf
Ice spice has very low self esteem
Facts!
Lmao we can definitely see that in the way that she shows herself in the media lmao
I had a hs “friend” I grew up with JUST LIKE THIS! I have so many stories of my old friends. I walked away back in 2020 & life has been great ever since. Nice knowing ya 🤸🏾♀️
OMG....ME TOO! I just cut it off...no explanation. I've been peeping low key stuff for years. And what they'll do to gaslight you is sometimes, they'll be generous, etc. It's to confuse you!
I’m not a fan of Cardi but she did try to show how sneaky ice is
Facts!
ice spice was gatekeeping 15 boxes of fuckin pizza and wouldn't let cleo have any and has the AUDACITY to call cleo a vaccum? like what
I felt that frfr when someone was on your team and supported you and really cared about you and you treat them like ish is messed up. Thats why alot of ppl dont trust ppl now a days.
Facts! Some of us treated others so nicely and still do that or we switch up to become like them which is even worse.
Ice spice stylist on TikTok spilling more tea that Cleo forgot to spill
What's the stylist's name?
Oh!
@@mrscandip1979 Nvermjnd he was lying he was never there the hairstylist said he was never there and we know what she look like cuz Cleo did a TikTok with her
@@Nathan-yq8en he was lying friend 😩😩
It was not about the luggage she didn’t like you from the beginning.
That and she didn't like that Cleo voiced her opinion. She most likely wanted Cleo to take it and hush about it. Ice is probably used to everyone not saying anything to her so when Cleo did, she got upset.
thank you!! 🙌🏾👏🏾i was thinking this the ENTIRE video. the fact that she invited Cleo the day before the tour started… ice never wanted her there! i could see ice’s PR team setting this up cuz shawty couldn’t even fake the funk for the tour😭
prime example on how some people are okay with you in the background but the moment you want a piece they drop you
This whole fiasco has made me despise Ice in ways I never thought possible. Never knew another person's story of being helpless and treated like this could make MY blood boil.
6:11 coming from a lightskin Afro-Latina, I saw this so much (especially since I went to predominantly yt schools) and I called it out every time. I also dislike how people think that simply because I’m lightskin that I have internalised anti-blackness and that I won’t call these things out. Even seeing this with non-black Latinas in my high school, you will never catch me subjecting another black woman to that kind of pain.
Same
“THE DEVIL WILL NOT WIN BOO” yessssssss ! You better tell it !
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just finished making coffee and I got my “smoke machine” in hand IM READY ☕️
Ughhh I wish I was off the clock watching this 😅 take an extra hit for me
@@ashlynhunter2172currently smoking I took a hit for u girl😂ik how it is being at work waiting to get off the clock to get home to Ms Mary Jane 😂
@@brandy7893 lmfao I’m finna spark up now girl. At the time I was 6hrs in with 6 left
I knew she was delusional, when Ice Spice said she gave Nicki an opportunity. Girl, what?
Okay!
woahhh i didn't know she said that 🤣🤣
Cleo is so strong to have stayed for this whole tour and made sure she fulfilled the commitment she made to her fans and her professionalism. I’m proud of her.
Since you asked at the end about if we wanted more lengthy calls... the answer is YES! really like how we just spent time with you reacting together cause I was doing and saying all the same stuff at the same points lol. This was good! More like this for sure!
SN: Zach your progress and fitness and overall self care journey has been inspiring. EVERYTIME you’re on camera you’re glowing, you look amazing! Keep fighting boo🤎
OK he looking like a whole meal not a snack lol.
Constructive criticism...Cleo should have joined ice at a later date, maybe delay coming for one week so she can organise herself better and talk to her management. A show put together in one day with no budget would not be of any good quality..better not to perform at all
This
Let’s be real and clear though, even if cleo joined ice at a later date, would cleo be treated any different than the experience she had if cleo did use that whole week to prepare herself?
I'm so happy you're covering this, Zach! I just saw Eloho's video recapping all of Cleo's story and Isis' response..I was so scared this was gonna get buried!!
As a light skin 27 female that’s black-and-white .. that grew up in a public white dominant school. I agree with you on how light skin woman’s perspective on a dark woman can be
The way I know Latto and her sister is enjoying ALL THIS TEA
11:21 the gag is ice spice AINT Nigerian 😭. Her father side she claims to be Nigerian is ethnically black American. She just has self hatred for herself. The only way I can see her being Nigerian after that is from her mother’s side. But after that her heritage on her fathers side is American
There was an ongoing joke about her looking like an Igbo Nigerian women. Ice saw that and jumped on it to prove her blackness
She ain’t even black no more She’s colored.
I ain’t even mad for her claiming to be Nigerian. Africa is lit.
You can be Black American with Nigerian blood. I’m AA with Yoruba bloodline which I’m actively reconnecting to lol but Ice? Hell no 😂
@@shannacollins8371lol very true
LOVED the long video. I'm with Cleo, period. And Doechii is THAT GIRL!
From the exposed text messages, to the underwhelming album, and now this drama...Ice Spice's 15 is up!
Cleo definitely had clout and money WAYYYY before anyone knew of an Ice Spice. Cleo been known since I was in high school and that was YEARS back.
"Sometimes you have to check in with your ancestors" Say it again Zach!!!!
ice spice left a bad taste in my mouth when she drag that gay man who was just trying to help to have a better album cover.
As a Black gay man, I really wish we would stop making vulgar references to women’s bodies…only to turn around and talk about the patriarchy. It’s very disrespectful to women, including our mothers and grandmothers. It’s so unnecessary to keep doing that.
Update: I SAID WHAT I SAID 🤷🏾♂️
Preach
Did he I missed that part
Thank you !
what comment did he make about someone’s body ??
thank you for recognizing this and saying it, a lot of gay men don’t 💗
40:17 I feel like Ice Spice would have been acting weird even if Cleo never said anything about the suitcase situation. Then she would have to look back farther to see when Ice Spice REALLY switched up on her
I’ve seen Cleo’s video a few times but I’m glad I listened to your take part by part. Bc we’re SO close to being able to prove this colorism where nobody can act like we’re crazy
Prove? It’s mad obvious. Everytime a light skin girl act like this I understand why dark skin Black girls avoided me in school. My autistic ass didn’t get it then but NOW, I do. I feel like I need to gather all the light girlies to a community circle and tell them all to get it together because we looking like wannabe colonizers at this point. It gets me so mad broooooo. Black girls are it and we can admire and uplift without being jealous and weaponizing colorism. It’s nastyyy work and honestly she look the type fr. Also mean girls are not cute universally whatever you look like.
Cleotrapa deserves the success ice got!! She’s so talented and authentic
"karma will send you an invoice" 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
"Sometimes you gotta check in with God and your ancestors. Should I be doing this?" ON THE DAILY. ❤
oh i’ve been WAITING for this one..TURN IT UPPPP
your commentary is so entertaining, I’ve watched this video like four times😂
What’s crazy is as a fellow NYer I felt the pain, anger, confusion, disgust and disappointment in every video Cleo posted. Every single word Cleo has said was exactly how it went down