Hey Kent, that "nothing" you speak of is 6-8 times more than they can make in a day where they're from, that's why they work hard. In other words, your fucking "pound" is a 6 or more of their fucking ______. Then they mail that shit home to support a struggling impoverished family while you fucking lazy fucks complain about people that will work harder than you for less. Supply and demand man. Lazy entitled fucks get used to getting paid for less work so they learn to expect it, then when competition comes, they complain. Cry me a river, build a fucking bridge, and get over it you fucking wanker.
I just got my license 5 years ago. Thought it was gonna be fun. Till the truth came. I almost got hit by semis on the highway who are driving drowsy / distracted and can’t maintain lane while I’m next to them and almost get sideswiped scary that’s why I had to find out why truck drivers can’t drive
Hell I done all the above and was wide open alert but 2 hours down the road I was pulling over going to bed.....Dont get it twist...I seen drivers sleep driving and I pray I never see the end of failure as that man said...smh
exactly sometimes a common sense judement call is whats needed i used to be out on the road 10 hr days then id have to drive 2 hrs back home if i was feeling drousey id pull over for a half hour take nap it would usually be a big help
I was hit by a truck driver that ran a stop sign while speeding with a falsified log book. He had been driving three days straight. I am sick of these companies pushing drivers to the limit and then when something happens they pass off the blame on to the poor driver.
I think automated log systems are a good thing. Most of the larger trucking firms already use them but the problem is the smaller shops. My brother in law worked for one small outfit that made him purchase all fuel in cash.
No one puts a gun to anyone’s head to drive unsafe. This guy in the video is a total clown, get rid of these steering wheel holders and bring real truck drivers back to the industry. There would be a lot less issues, trust me.
Once a truck driver hits an important person or their family then it will be a worldwide shut down on that operation .. Rules will change to if a truck driver even mentions sleep he has to be pulled out his truck immediately .. watch you'll see what im talking about when it happens
And what's do you think will happen?? The Big Trucking companies are so cosy with the republicans in office that nobody will get much more than a slap on the wrist for the most stringent infractions.
Not when they hit that republicans child or family van with twins in it .. the whole world will change ..mark my words on this very night .. its 1132pm on oct 4
Used to work in the corporate office of a trucking company. Obviously, I wasn't around the drivers, but I heard stories and saw some glimpses. It seems like this stuff is common. Only people crazier than the supervisors are the big wigs above everyone. I almost got chills when I watched this wondering if it was the same company
Kenneth Schrank yeah just like drunk driving is a skill… til it turns into a nightmare. I have to admit to doing both a few times... a long time ago! It’s weird, when you’re young you don’t think anything bad can happen. Then you get old and think of all the bad things that can happen… hmmm wisdom!!!
Just as the sun was coming up and I was in the seat of a 105,500 lb. tanker loaded with fuel! Quit the next day. Didn't pay me enough to endure rotating shifts 24/7 days a week. Just crazy they can get young inexperienced drivers to take these jobs. $14.00 per hour No OT, No benefits!
Coming from the aviation community, you NEVER question a pilot if he says that he isn't safe to fly. You honor his decision to either cancel the flight, or find a replacement pilot. There is no explanation involved, no negotiating. The pilot is in command of his aircraft, and if he decides he isn't safe to fly, then he isn't safe. No repercussions. No amount of "manning up" can get you past sleep deprivation, fatigue, or a circadian rhythm imbalance. The NTSB and the Navy Safety Center have literal tons of data on this, and at this point it has been a proven fact.
@@renovatiovr they're mostly standard operating procedures for different airlines and such, and are mostly private. I'll see if I can find some public examples
A place to start is the Navy's aviation manual, pages 8-13 and 8-14 address circadian rhythm/desynchrony, as well as flight time limitations. Note: this instruction can be differed from "should operational necessity dictate." Operational necessity is a big deal, and happens rarely. Flying a transport flight would not be considered "operationally necessary" www.public.navy.mil/airfor/vaw120/Documents/CNAF%20M-3710.7_WEB.PDF
The second place to look is FAR 121.533. This states that EITHER the dispatcher OR the pilot in command can cancel a flight entirely at their discretion alone. This is federal law, and the airline cannot question the decision of their pilot. www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.533
I no longer drive a truck, but about 10 years ago I was asked to open my windows to wake me up and about 20 minutes later when driving through a road near a residential area, I side-swiped 5 parked cars. Luckily, it was 3AM and no one was in them.
I'm not a truck driver but I want to thank you for doing the right thing, I have seen a couple trucks swerving across lanes repeatedly, thankfully no accidents but you are always taking a chance not only with your own life but others on the road, thanks for putting all of our safety first.
The point of the video is that he wasn't able to do the right thing in terms of safety because of the company. The company screwed him and you think he was successful enough in being safe to thank him?? He was trying, which is thankful, but you can't thank him for being safe because the situation wasn't safe. If you cared about drivers on the road, you would thank him for trying and curse the company for putting him in that situation.
Your words are kind, and supports his strive for safety, but otherwise you're a shill for congratulating his failure. He primarily wants to ACT safe so he doesn't kill people. He doesn't want to be forced to act unsafe and kill people.
Thismy Name I’m not understanding your comment. How did the driver fail? He realized this was a dangerous situation and stopped and called. Despite the “threats” and manipulation to get him to complete his run, he did not continue. What would have been the “safe enough” option? Quitting on the spot and jeopardizing his family?
I lost 2 very good childhood friends because a trucker fell asleep, drifted into their lane, and hit them head-on. Their parents lost their only kids. You made the right call. Anyone who risks the lives of others over a load or a paycheck is a worthless sack of shit.
To everybody that's telling me to "Man up, this is Trucking" I have gotten about 50 or so stories, some with horrific pictures showing the life changing results of tired driving. I hope to god you're just being trolls and that I do not actually share the roads with you. Besides that, I simply could not sleep on the serving second 10hr. Break, I could not refuse the load for fear of my job, but that's really irrelevant tob the video.... You people telling me "That's just truckin" think that how the dispatchers treated me was OK? Shame on any of you so condone fatigued driving and poor treatment of employees.
Thank you spuds! It really bothered me to think that those people who have messaged me with a personal story of fatigued driving and how it impacted their lives were reading those messages, I realize the support I have and am truly thankful for it!
abe, stay focused man. that's how trolls work, like piranhas, they work in packs tearing off just a little at a time until you start 2nd guessing yourself. i start my orientation/training this sat. and your video was a huge eye opener for me, the company i am going with only has 150 tractors and i hope i do not run into this. watch my fishing vids, maybe if ever you are in nc i will take you kayak fishing.
I went into trucking school. Passed the minimal schooling with flying colors. Was sent out on my first week with a Trainer. Never driven anything CLOSE to that size before....day 2 I am heading through the Rockies.(personally...I think that is just stupid, but whatever). I got to the top...and pulled over at the break check point. My trainer/instructor took over. Said I was good for the day...was proud that I drove for triple the amount of time he expected on day 2. I noticed however...I got incredibly tired going up into the Rockies. Thought it was due to poor sleep/getting accustomed to sleeping in the truck cabin. You know. Coming back through the Rockies at the end of the week. Around...4-5k feet...the fatigue started to hit. I had gotten GOOD rest...so I knew it wasn't that. Some time after that...not sure how long. Everything in my vision began to shrink. Still full field of view...but everything started to look smaller. Told my instructor he had to take over...told him what was happening. I say all this because of what my trainer said to me afterwards. "I'm proud of you that you called it. You knew something was wrong and stopped instead of continuing on. I know alot of drivers that would keep going...and kill somebody. You did good. Always do that." I left the business the next morning because what I experienced was a vertigo and panic and anxiety attack induced by Altitude sickness. My brain doesn't like high elevation apparently. I will never forget my trainer though. Straight up told me to ignore everyone outside the truck. None of them matter when it comes to keeping yourself alive. Fuck the dispatchers...fuck the bosses...fuck everyone not behind the wheel. Those fuckers in the office aren't going to keep you alive at 3am...only you are.
I have sick sinus syndrome "tachy brady" of the heart. I get episodes like you explained all the time. I have a pacemaker. You should get checked out by a cardiologist. Have a holter monitor put on.
DrkMynd No one should be dispatching trucks that doesn't have at least 15 to 20 years of experience driving a truck. I drove for 22 years and I have been dispatching for 4 years now so I know what the man behind the wheel is having to put up with and that's the difference. Almost forgot. And giving a s***
@@jesusloveschickens3127 I'm pretty sure the "fuck everyone else" was directed at the people who get to sit in an office tell you to keep going regardless of how dangerous it is. Not other drivers on the road...
I'm not a truck driver, but my job in the marine corps had me pulling some pretty crazy hours. Sounds like everyone you talked with on the phone was either completely dissociated from reality or had zero regard for your safety and the safety of others. I get it, it's a business and must be run as such. But what's worse? Delivering a load a few hours late or killing someone because the dispatchers wouldn't let you sleep. I never knew this problem existed. It's guys like you who hold up this country on their back through blood, sweat, and tears. Stay safe, dude.
Well said, the disconnect is unreal....rather be a few hours late than a truck crashing. There are limits,its a business but you cant disregard safety, doubt the dispatch can really put themselves in his shoes here.
If a trucker was to give in to the humilation and threats, then decide to drive, then kills someone, who do you think gets charged and goes to prison for manslaughter or negligent homicide? Not the dispatcher. The trucking company can get fined or even put out of business if youre smart enough to record these calls, but if you dont record them, the companies will let you take the fall 100%, and you will merely be replaced. I would tell the dispatcher that if he wants laws and safety regulations to be broken for the load, to get his ass into a truck and take the risk himself. A job or paycheck isnt worth going to prison or dying for. The dispatchers should have been fired.
Narcissistic piece of shit my old man has been a trucker for 25 years and works for a small company maybe 12 trucks. He left a large company because of this. Go with your gut good job recording and protecting yourself.
@@Ogrodii thank you. Humans are utter pieces of dog shit. The trucker did a good job.
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@@Ogrodii left a company because of what?? They asked him to drive after TAKING A 20 HOUR BREAK??? Listen to the start of this video.. Thats exactly what this guy was complaining about. That is re-damn-dunkulous. Your dad drove 25 years.. Well thats fine. I'll have been out here 25 years in november with 15 more to go.. Im sitting in my truck right now. This is a fabricated story and this guy is a trouble maker and a crybaby and has no business being in a semi OTR. *mic drop*
you guys just dont know hard work or driving trucks big puss out move i bet none of you have a cdl either not to pull that card on everyone but its true shit sucks
I had a dispatch threaten me ONCE! and when I told him I was the Wrong One he didn't believe me, until I got back and embarrassed him, in front of the entire office, and yes I threaten him and told him to step outside and say what you said to me, of course he was scared to death lol. The point is don't let these dispatchers punk you . Stand up to them..also become a owner operator so you can have more say in what you do..
I know of a few dispatchers. They all have mouths.. smart a$$.. on the phone... one I know... is that way to your face... WHY do they pick such JERKS, to ruin others lifes ?
🤣🤣🤣💀 Same shit I would've done stone cold on his ass! , I don't understand ppl man just because you got a higher position than me you wanna talk down on me like I'm a bitch or sum'n 😂 , Ppl need to be professional we don't have to be buddies but there needs to be a respectable working relationship it's already tiring to work 5-7 days we don't need that unnecessary BS.
Any driver that sides with the company is a complete idiot. Who in their right mind would tell a driver to take a 10 hour break after 30 minutes of coming off of a 10 hour break. This was not a service failure on behalf of the driver. This was a service failure on behalf of the poor planning on dispatch/customer service end. It's that simple. Good job Abe. This trucker is behind you all the way.
@@goatsmiserable555 You know nothing about tricking. Nothing. At times It doesn't work the way you want it, and you will NEVER retain a job, if you do it your way. This guy did it right, drive all he could, and called in when he couldn't. Knowing the trucking, it's the right thing he did. You have no idea what you are talking about, and you keep not taking loads time after time, you will go fishing. It might work your way in come companies, but in most it won't cut for too many times
Everything Life -I am a Truck driver you dumb ass, and I know that if you accept a load your saying you can complete the load on time. Sure he did the right thing by calling it in when he was about to fall asleep, but he should have never accepted it in the first place. He knew he had been up for 15 hours. You know what worse than turning down a load? Accepting a load, driving two hours to middle of nowhere, and then calling in an telling them someone else needs to pick it up.
I'm a dispatcher for DHL Supply Chain and I applaud you for not giving in to these guys. The first priority, over everything else, is SAFETY. You are the professional driver. You are the shot caller within your truck. If you say it isn't safe for you to continue, then it isn't safe. The load is not more important than your life or the lives of the people on the road around you. The men that you talked to on the phone are absolutely wrong in this situation. If you disagree, then think about if it was your family member who is hurt/killed in an accident involving a 40,000+ pound truck whose operator fell asleep behind the wheel. What if it was your mother, or your child? You wouldn't be so steadfast in your opinion.
Dion R yea i see this from the non stop drivers more than the smart load truckers. You don’t have to spend every waking moment on a load or haul. These guys either have shit companies they work for or don’t know how to properly and safety schedule a bid for their next rout.
Wow, that's incredibly poor treatment. I'm sorry you had to endure that but THANK YOU VERY MUCH for taking control of your life behind the wheel and the lives of the driving public. You should be applauded brother.
No. In true Capitalism. Bad companies = Bad Public Relations & Reputation = no one wants to do business with them, no one wants to work for them = Bad companies whither & die. And with pure Capitalism, there's no government to bail them out, forcing us to pay for them, with the money stolen through taxes. And with no government, there's no monopolies, meaning they can't force people to do business with them. And there would be no government to bribe, through lobbying, to make them the only option for an area, state, or even the whole country. This is what Libertarianism & Anarcho-Capitalism, are all about. In real capitalism, that company's options are to be good, in every way, or go bankrupt. This great Trucker is right. If your current employer is bad, you can work for someone else. Depending on the business you're in, you can even start your own business, and be independent. We need more honest, brave, and clever Journalists, and Whistleblowers, like this Trucker, and Edward Snowden. If this Trucker didn't do what he did, that company would still be getting away with shit like that. And if he did crash, and killed himself, or others, HE would have gotten blamed, and his bosses would have swept that conversation under the rug, and probably would have slandered him and or distanced themselves from the Trucker, to preserve the reputation of themselves, and the company. Oh, and with no government. There would be no unfair taxes, fines, fees, regulations, laws, and patents. Companies would be even less likely, to be so nasty to their workers, on top of risking being exposed as pieces of shit. Reputation would be as important as money, and they would't do anything evil or stupid, to risk that. Like screwing with the sleep cycles of a driver, threatening & bullying him to keep driving, when he is warning them he is falling asleep. Then tricking the fucking police, to wake him up. His bosses, maybe even their bosses too, should be fired, or punished in some way. Yes, when running a business, in a way, you do have to treat workers like machines. And like any machine, they have to be efficiently utilized, and taken care of. If People In Management Positions, can't do that. Then they don't deserve to be PIMPs.
As a Driver. This has never happened to me. When I get too tired, u just go to sleep, Shut off my Phone and I could care less how dispatchers feel in the Morning. 🤷🏾
"Sir I just found out I have cancer in my balls, its spreading I dont have long to live." Well get out walk around the truck, get some fresh air and do some jumping jacks, that's how it is in this business
Me As a Ghost: "Sir I just died of restlessness & trucker fatigue. My body is still in the rig" Dispatcher: Well while you're outside, get some fresh air, do some jumping jacks and you'll be right back in your body alive and back on the road in no time to deliver that load"
fresh cold air can do miragles to a guy who is about to fall asleep on the wheel... I've been in that situation and for me at that time stepping away from the car and walking up and down the highway breathing deep made all the difference... so yeah, something simple as deliberately breathing in some clean air really helps no matter how inadequate it might sound to some of you!
I'm not a truck driver but I did work graveyard shift. when that sleep bug hits you, there ain't enough coffee in the world that'll keep you awake. when your brain starts to shutdown there's nothing you can do but sleep.
Lmao stop being babies 😂 when I turned 18 i worked to jobs one in the morning and one at night and went to school during the day I did that for a year and a half but up or shut up
There's quite a bit of research that would prove the contrary. Sleep is 100% necessary not just for rest but for cognitive functions too. Based on what you're saying and how you act, you must have missed out on quite a bit.
Yes there is a thing called Sleep tiredness I currently work in security weekend 12 hours at a truck-stop I go in the evening I don't get off till the morning so yeah 12 hours sitting here maybe one or two trucks three midnight come in having to stay up when your Patrol boss man comes on random occasions and when you see his vehicle you get up and you try to brush your self off as if you weren't sleeping so yes I understand this guy pain it is hard staying up I drink water but I can't drink too much water cuz it's not good for the body yes I go walking around outside but there isn't much to do sometimes what helps or healthy Energy Drinks like zipfizz or something that's natural and healthy but helps but to a certain amount cuz you don't. Want to get addicted to it or your body's going to get used to it enough and it's not going to work anymore
QUIT Abe!!! I wouldn't ever put up with that! NO freight is worth pushing like that. I got over 13000 followers here on TH-cam that i'm going to point AWAY from K&B. You deserve better man. I've NEVER had anything like that happen to me. If you're tired you're tired period. Wow that ticked me off!! Can't believe that happens. Stay away from companies like that
Your missing the point of this video Guy. First off, the video was sent to K&B's safety department and to the highest person in the company I could contact before this video went live on TH-cam, only to be blown off and told that this was just business as usual at the company. I COULD NOT refuse a load from the start due to me fearing fir my job, nor was I in an unsafe condition when I initially picked up the load. I was put in the position of "Drive unsafe or fear for your job" on this one, your entitled to your opinion, no matter how I'll informed and wrong they are, but you completely missed the point of the video.
RunHard GetPaid I have to agree with Abe on this one, IF companies are allow to get away with that kind of B.S., they will continue UNTIL drivers put their foots down and to stop this kind of abuse.
Guy Hodges It don't matter who's fault it is. K&B stepped outta line calling the police to wake him up wasting tax payer money and resources. Doesn't matter who created the issue, the point is that the issue arose and they tried to force him to drive UNSAFE. I'm concerned to be on the road with their trucks now. Abe also has said that they threaten his job if he refuses loads. He was put in a lose lose situation. They cannot put that kind of pressure on their drivers.
Guy Hodges That's exactly what he did...he got tired and pulled over and called dispatch...the whole point of the video was that they tried to tell him to keep going anyway....driver education 101 says that there is no replacement for sleep. Fresh air and caffeine do not replace needed sleep. He did his best to deliver the load cause if he would have refused it he may of been fired. That is unacceptable pressure on drivers.
I'm a security guard a d some of these over nights are killer I don't care what you drink or how much you walk or do jumping jacks it DOESNT MATTER if your body wants to go to sleep it wants to go to sleep
Im also in security and yes especially getting stuck working doubles it gets so tiring depending on what you're doing. Definitely gotta manage your off time to sleep enough. Never know when your relief won't show and you gotta stay lol unexpected doubles suck
You should send this to the dept of transportation & safety to show them bullying & encouraging life threatening situations that can get drivers & a lotta ppl on highway killed. Show to the cops too and take it to the media. Shame them into changing things.
DOT ain't gonna do shit. Maybe a fine, and then the company is going to spread the word through fleet messages to all the drivers to make them feel bad. Its doesn't mean jack to the company. Its all write offs anyways. The only thing it effects is how many trucks get pulled into the scales and get inspected. There no regulation on the company itself. Just regulating the drivers. In the end the drivers get screwed 9 ways to Sunday.
This is exactly what I went through. I’ve drove for 11 in years and this is what almost every driver goes through. When a dispatcher told me to drive in an unsafe condition, especially if I was sleepy, I told them that I wasn’t comfortable with driving and if there was a problem with it, we can talk to the safety manager about it. Dispatchers don’t give a damn about your safety not the passengers. All they’re concerned about are the loads getting there in a timely manor. So to any drivers out there, especially new drivers, don’t jeopardize your license, your life, nor anyone else’s life over a load. YOUR LOAD IS NOT WORTH YOUR LIFE!!
Don't ever forget your completely responsible for that truck. Don't let anyone talk you into speeding,driving tired,overweight,over hours,it's your license and your career.
That's not even what the problem is, the problem is that the company is putting faith in someone who has a truck who doesn't deliver their expectations which costs them a ton of money, as they need to get another trucker on the road and have the delivery delayed for hours. It always depends on what he's delivering, maybe furniture, groceries or whatever that need to be on-time for opening hours which in the end will cost OTHER companies money and giving his truck company a bad reputation AAAND cost them even more money. It's a very harsh job which should be taken seriously, safety always comes first but keep in mind that safety usually costs too. It's kind of inhumane because these problems would still occur even if he crashed and killed someone
I’m headed to trucking school next month in Texas. Thank you for standing up against these bullies and demonstrating how to handle these situations. I saved this video to my phone in case I ever come across this situation. I’m also buying a dashcam to record all my conversations with dispatchers.
You can't afford an attorney if you haven't got a job or money. You could record your phone convos though but it won't do much good if nobody's listening.
@@Anonyhouse My cell phone can record. both ends of a conversation.Keep a business card in your pocket.If the Attorney can make money,he'll. take the case.
You're required to tell the other party you're recording, anything they say after you make them aware is fair game in court. It's considered consent if they talk after you notify them.
The last dispatcher is the epitome of a narcissistic sociopath. Then using the police to wake a driver. How much lower can they go? Misuse of the emergency 911 system is punishable with arrest. If the truckers would be honest with the police maybe a good officer will have them arrested for doing so in the future. The threats were childish and unbecoming of this asshole while using his children as examples. Then he brings your wife in the coversation trying to shame you about a $ penalty that will cost you your check. What a screwed up world. I can be fired for perceived racism or maybe a sexist comment, but encouraging someone to drive a 70,000 lb piece of machinery while falling asleep with threats and intimidation warrants a talking to. Bullshit. He should have been fired on the spot.
he was most likely white, playboy, you're not a good person automatically when you're white, you gotta understand this. it's white people who chose this fate for themselves. get a fucking grip.
Not like anything happened. They didn't do anything "wrong" in regards to the law. In fact, the law that screwed over truckers was passed by the federal government that changed the per mile pay to per hour. This makes it so truckers 'slow down' to earn more, putting more pressure on the employers to manage them. There is always more to the story than you think. Also.. this guy just slept for 8-10 hours... how much more does he need? If I called into work and told them it wouldn't be safe for me to operate the forklift for the day because I was tired, then I'd likely be canned.
Your forklift isn't on the freeway going at 50 to 70mph. If you doze off on your forklift you're not barreling down a road at people in other vehicles. This guy slept for 8-10 hours, woke up to drive for 20 minutes and drop off his cargo and was told to take another 10 hour break and he couldn't sleep. After that he had to drive a few hundred miles which would be another 6 to 10 hours. That's practically 20 hours of break time. It's only reasonable that he couldn't fall back asleep after already sleeping for 10 hours prior.
I would have said, "I just had a 10 hour break, I slept for 9 hours, so how about I go pickup the load, make my way to the destination and halfway, let me get that other 10 hour break" Or, isn't there someway you could just get in quick little power naps? And what works for waking me up if I'm tired, coffee. I don't do the energy drinks. Overall, if that would have been me where you are sitting, I would have told him, I'm going to get a coffee, make my way to the destination, drop off the load, and then I would call them back with, you can take this effing job and cram it!!! I'm sick of being disrespected, especially by any form of management, HR, etc. And what a prick, "don't try" Sorry, all I can do is try. Which means, I will do whatever I can, to the best of my ability, to get the job done. If I say, YES! I can get it done, and I don't get the job done, then that's lying.
I'm retired after 36 yrs approx. 3,500,000 miles not totally perfect miles but no major accidents ! You are the boss when you are behind wheel make your own decision if the load is late it's late worry about the Dispatch and the Customer service people later ! Human life is no comparison to any kind of freight with the exception medical maybe! You did the correct thing! Keep on Trucking!
I'm an old trucker. Used to do night shifts. 7 till 7, 5 nights a week. When you're tired, and it's cold, stop. Warm the truck with the heater. Nice and toasty. Turn the engine off, shut your eyes. Half an hour later the cab gets cold you wake up, you've had a sleep. Keep you going for a few hours. Then sleep.
I can vouch for the exact same opposite. I used to work in the oilfield and you would get FIRED instantly if the system recorded you driving longer than 3 hours without a 15 minute break or drive for more than 8 hours in a 24h time window. If the driver was tired you could phone your supervisor and tell them that you needed a nap or pull over and get some sleep, if for some reason your supervisor told you "that's just oilfield" you could report him and his ass would be on the street the next day. I think the problem with the truck industry is that the profit is not so high, so every hour counts, when you deal with bigger amounts of profit, (over 100k$ per job) then they are more lenient. The company was also a multinational with reputation to protect and strict driving policies, so I guess that's a big factor. I can only vouch for my experience though, if you know more about other industries that require driving please share.
Eduardo Yanes Sounds like you worked for a good company. I used to work for a gas company and we would fill oil field truck driver trucks with liquid nitrogen all the time and there were multiple times that those drivers would tell me that they were driving while having not slept for the last 48 hours. Pretty scary
You don't have to be a trucker to know that fresh air and caffeine just don't work when you're that tired. Might do the trick for 10-20 minutes, but not 160 fucking miles. Good on you for standing up for what you know is right.
In my opinion, drinking caffeine makes it worse LOL. It won't give you the boost of energy you need and when it's time to sleep, you won't be able to because of the caffeine. So you're left feeling sleepy, but can't sleep.
Nothing will help you except for sleep, or adrenaline or I don't know some potent shit that will sober you up for some hours. When you see penguins crossing the road, in the middle of nowhere, on a lonely road through the woods and slam the brakes only to sober the fuck up and realize there are no penguins you realize how much even 1 damn hour of sleep makes a difference between you or worse, getting someone killed.
The only thing that would work for a 4-hour drive when you're falling asleep would be amphetamines, because they force your brain to dump lots of neurotransmitters to wake you back up...which is probably why there are so many truckers who are addicted to amphetamines.
I've worked in the transport industry as a dispatcher and it's always been made paramount that the safety of the driver as well as the public comes first. These guys on the phone are a joke! They should have done everything in their power to help the driver end of story there is no excuse.
ya dont ask for permission next time, just pull off and go to sleep my dude, figure it out when you wake up, let them fire you theres only about 10000 more trucking jobs around
jake3040 oh Jesus forgive me but sometimes im gonna stop on the sides take a 15mins power nap that hopefully enough for another 3hrs drive.. Ford Transit (3.5T total weight capacity).. im in metal industry but shit most times not on ky favor..
I applaud you for standing up. If this is as common, I wish a major network would do an expose on this. Unfortunately, a lot of accidents and deaths need to happen to get the kind of exposure it deserves. Your better off taking this to the media, or sending this clip to a city that just had big rig accident because of something like this. Good luck
+RunHard GetPaid . Im going to school and have my behind the wheel test 12/8/15. It's good to know the good and bad of trucking. It seems like a great profession. Im glad you were clear and adamant with the dispatchers about your lack of sleep. I will look for this 20/20 segment, but now I know how to act and what to do if I find myself in this situation. It's easy for a rookie to be intimidated
+RunHard GetPaid I am truck driver too but i drive in Holland and the rest of Europe,i would like to say something about this but i dont know much about the rules for truck drivers in the US i only know the rules in my country Holland and the rest of Europe and those rules are different from the US so i am told.
People don’t stand up to corporations enough. This is exactly what unions are for. Everyone just complies and feels obligated to sell their soul. You don’t owe that company your life
As a Police Officer I have seen many accidents from truck drivers and your average daily driver falling asleep and killing themselves or someone else. No life is worth getting somewhere on time. You my friend did what a responsible truck driver would do and I applaud you for that. Shame on the company for threatening you with your job.
Bigkevin26 Did you even read the comment dude? The officer is trying to compliment the video creator for his responsible actions. And don't pull the race card on me cause if you can't red my name I'm Latino lol. As for the officer, thank you sir for your service to our country and as a friend of older former street racers, we thank you for getting these guys to stop endangering others and to take our cars to real race track that is prepared for use of our vehicles.
cas bomme unions aren’t strong anymore unfortunately their hand are tied cause the bottom line is the company has the upper hand.however if more drivers stuck together and fight but it won’t happen cause the attitude is if this guy don’t get that load I’ll get it.if a 100 driver fleet refused to drive cause of a driver being mistreated.that company would be in deep and would have to change their ways or loose accounts.a day of drivers for shit company protesting and not moving their trucks would get their attention.
As a 4 wheeler I take my hat off to this guy for respecting everyone on the roads safety. Coffee and fresh air will only get you so far down the road before you end up in the ditch or worse Respect to all the truckers out there, a tough job not appreciated enough by society. All drivers, be safe out there.
thank you for acknowledging, appreciating, and showing respect to truckers. not many do this anymore. it would be nice for people who don't drive truck to get into the hot seat and see what it's like and the kinds of stressors we face day in and out. Not just with dispatchers, but with other drivers on the roads in general. Again. Thanks
Good Job Mr. Driver... Hopefully you Did Not continue driving.. However the mistake you made was that you should had reported it to the State and Federal agencies which govern trucking industry; such as Dept. of Transportation (DOT) or even highway patrol officer. You should had created a written statement with a timestamp, that way If company had terminated you, then you can sue and EASILY win for Whistle-blower and Retaliation which is against State and Federal laws. Any Labor Attorney would jump on that case. A slam dunk win.
As a health professional, you did the right thing. I do not know the trucking industry but could they tell you to get a few hours of sleep and help you to find another route to get the product to the destination on time? I believe that would be the best solution rather than a phone stating that there employee died or that you have been in a major accident and the people who were in the 4 wheeler died on impact. That suite could be in the millions look at the Walmart incident with Tracy Morgan. No you did the right thing sir. You can always get another trucking job BUT you can never get another life or a CDL once it is lost.
I have been a truck driver for almost 2 decades, and I will tell any and every truck driver to stand your ground! The moronic dispatchers like to claim that a late load is a catastrophe, yet they can easily reschedule the load if the truck breaks down. This is an example of how sick our society is in the Soviet U.S.S.A, and probably in many other western countries as well! If a machine breaks down; bosses and dispatches do not lecture it, or threaten to fire it, or try to punish it; they get the machine fixed and move on. Yet, when something happens to a human: All of the above takes place in many companies! Why....; ....that driver must be punished!!! What a sick society we live in! I am no longer young and foolish. Nowadays I would tell the dispatcher that I will be late in a case like yours! Dispatchers are liars anyway, so they can lie again to someone over the phone! My present company doesn't play that shit on their drivers.
it's all about the bottom line for these greedy pigs and the bottom line is always money only thing enforces safety is these greedy pigs being fined tremendous amounts of money
Numira No the fuck its not!! Its cause this fuggen guy wouldnt tell the dispatcher what the fuck was really going on. Like B Man said just lie to these mf's, or tell them whatever the fuck they want to hear and take care of yourself. I got a lot of time on the road and even a 15 min power nap can do a lot.
yep, you don't see this in airline pilots, because it's heavily regulated... the reason trucking companies get away with this is BECAUSE OF LOOSE REGULATIONS, which is indeed small government capitalism. People are fucking political morons.
What Numira was saying is that the "Soviet USSA" joke doesn't make sense because what he is describing is a problem in capitalism and not socialism/ Communism. Two separate things with their own issues. One could argue that if it we're socialist he wouldn't be in an over worked state that he is now. That said, he could also take advantage of socialism. No one really wins.
Your a cruel son of a bitch I hope you get what's comming to you and worse it will get you I hate people like you don't deserve kids especially if you treat them like that! Heartless monster your lucky I'm not around you even if there not my kids I treat them as equal as if they werr mine!
Ive been driving for 14yrs bro and Ive been pushed into this position and I learned from several near misses....you did the right thing the right way.....pisses me off that this crap still goes on....I mean they called the police on you!!….bullshit....hope you got another better job bro
Justin, I am sure I am older than you. Look up the definition of a missile. So your issue is with my definition of a missile not the fact that an out of control truck is a problem. Learn to put things into proper perspective. You are not very intelligent are you?
David Skinner I know nothing about it. Are trucking regulators captive to corporate trucking? It wouldn't surprise me. That's the way it usually works... regulators captive to the regulated is SOP.
No, U evil sak of krap, this is shameless 'blame the victim' krap from an EXTORTIONIST type seeking an 'angle' 2 PRETEND they had some kind of 'right' 2 sleep on the job. Sleep all U want, after U R FIRED! =)
capitalism; bully> that is how it works> u have 2 b OK with being bullied> if I was to hire him I would slap that driver 4 lying 2 me about "I'm driving right now.. about to fall asleep" I would not want a lazy worker that is not OK with being bullied around until he dies for his company/me. I want a bitch that does, upon command like a DOG, do what I tell him 2 do for me! I might get smart and say the industry really expects me to hire ONLY teams for drivers.. but not sure if I care when there might b a BIG MAN who can actually do the work of 2 ppl.. yippie.. im so greedy!! I love my corporate GREED! They don't call it a 'RUN' for nothin'
Thank you SOOOOOO much for being an amazing driver knowing you shouldn't drive and standing your ground. My mum use to drive 18 wheelers and had the same issues.
Man that last disbatcher is not a good person. My dad was a truck driver and he was rarely off the road driving my long haul. The crazy sleep hours and high stress along with lack off exercise/ movement leads to terrible accidents. It makes me so disappointed, angry and appalled to have companies put profits over people. It’s tragic to be that focused on money the life and being human is seen as a disfunction. Btw I can’t believe that last dispatcher brought up the mans pay and wife that was a cruel and sick way to muscle and minipulate the driver. Props to you for posting this I’m glad it’s got so many views
Bro you are the right one here...don’t let nobody try and tell you different...YOU ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING...i hope a really good lawyer watched this and helps you out man
Been driving for 22 years....I've had SEVERAL dispatchers like this....Needless to say, I LITERALLY said to the dispatcher "No, I'm tiard, I'm going to bed, Goodnight!" Needless to say, I found a New job within the next week, and quit driving for POS companies!! The company I work for now, Is INCREDIBLE!!! No pressure, No BS, No forcing me to do Sh!t!!!
I disagree. See my life in another comment. If you can't manage the physical requirements of a job, and that means 100 hour standbys, working back to back 12s, you can't ask an industry, or an individual companies to do what you need to be comfortable enough to be safe. I mean, this is not exhaustion. It's a guy that wants to sleep like he works at a bank.
All big companies - trucking or not - do this to some degree. Doing this to truckers is just particularly dangerous because of the nature of the job. Lots of retail companies will schedule an 8 to 10 hour day for someone, stretching into the night (10 or 11 PM), and then schedule them for another 8 to 10 hour shift early the next morning (5 or 6 AM). Not quite the same thing, but similar. It's just people taking advantage of workers, and knowing that if you don't do it, they can get rid of you and hire someone else that will. It's unfair, it's cruel, and in your case, it's dangerous.
Naw sorry that's nothing compared to MANY other jobs, you don't realize how easy doing retail even 12 hours a day is, try bartending open to close then opening the next day at a high-volume bar, that's at least much more difficult, sorry mayn.
Companies make money by cutting corners and when the corner is a workers quality of life it should be illegal to be able to make that call. The thing I've noticed is the law is put there (in theory at least) to stop this shit but 100% of the time you will lose your job if you side with the law over something like this.
A bartender?? LMAO. If your a bartender and fall asleep, no one cares. If your a truck driver and fall asleep, you kill people. I dont see how a bartender making drinks for peoples enjoyment and entertaining people is harder than truck driving.
Good on you for stopping man, that's saving lives. People driving tired and falling asleep is the reason I lost a leg working on a highway paving crew.
No dispatcher on this earth can tell me what to do as far as mine and others safety, sleep schedule, and overall ability to complete my job in the correct manner. You were too nice to that dispatcher. My answer would have been flat out I’m not doing it, I wouldn’t have reasoned with him or even given him the chance to say his peace. I am the captain of this rig, you are a desk jockey, when it comes down to safety, you do AS I SAY!
A grown man doesn’t need to ask for permission to do the right thing, this is the problem with most people they think they’re going to manipulate other people into allowing them to do what they want to do instead of just doing what you have to regardless of the consequences,This guy even gave you the example of his children which puts you at their level, this is not my opinion this is what unfolded and transpired throughout the video
Thank you trucking companies for putting my families life in danger on the road. Much appreciated. Smh I have seen truckers swerving all over the road. No only that, but there's real crimes going on and to misuse TAX PAYER DOLLARS to call the cops because one dispatch is power tripping, is just a disgraceful misuse of the police. I hope this ahole dispatch was fired! Disgraceful! Thanks for posting dude! 👍
My Dad was a truck driver way back in the day. I would go with him during the summertime for a week, some of the happiest memories of my life. Later as a teenager, I worked at a truck stop. Truckers seemed to be some really lonely people. They were always happy to tell stories of their trips. But some companies treated them, just like poster of this video said, like machines. Is there a union for truckers? If not, there should be. Truckers operate big ass machinery that would flatten anything and a tired trucker is not a safe trucker. Hope this gets fixed.
I rarely comment on videos, but man, these guys treated you & the others on the road like your safety doesnt matter. The whole "dramatic bullshit" reaction he had me pissed off so much.
best thing to do is walk away. i've worked for several people who had a blatant disregard for my safety. like when i was helping with a job where they were jackhammering some old concrete steps away and i was told to pick up the concrete blocks that were being chopped off within like a foot from an active jackhammer when i have no helmet, no safety goggles, no mask, nothing -_-. all so the guy could be a little more efficient and save $20 by getting the jackhammer rental back earlier. it is not worth the $10/hr they are paying me. not even close.
Anytime... again. ANYTIME a company try to cry about running a load while you are fatigued tell them to speak to Safety to see how do they feel. Then to call the customer and ask them if they mind the possibility of that load being lost because you falling to sleep behind the wheel. Then tell them to call "their home state" and all the states that you would be driving thru and ask them is it ok for you to drive thru their streets while you are sleepy.
i cant believe he had to explain the situation to three different people. Typical management, not one of them want to take any responsibility for making a decision.
HA! you nailed it! They love bossing others around, but take ZERO responsibility. Those dispatchers can take pride in being a real life Dilbert cartoon. i.pinimg.com/originals/3e/82/c2/3e82c238f2485bbb163aa53e93524a1e.gif
Disgusting. Sorry you need to put up with this. Our society relies on truckers... you deserve every break you need. You did the right thing to prioritize your fellow drivers’ and your own safety before bowing down before those pricks.
there's no such thing as a hot load. if you're not hauling body parts for transplant, its not worth it. those guy. a guy driving a desk, doesn't make decisions that a TRUCK DRIVER makes. the driver is the boss, not the desk driver.
Well...if you're delivering something to a port and it needs to be there by a certain time or the ship will leave without it, I'd say that qualifies as a hot load. But there's no disputing that the dispatcher fucked-up by planning the delivery time with no leeway at all, then making the guy take two breaks in a row, then making him drive at night with no sleep, and not having anyone else available to share the work.
LOL,, I JUST WENT FOR MY TEMPS AND 1 OF THE ANSWERS WAS THERE IS NOOOOOO REPLACEMENT FOR SLEEP!!!!! NO COFFEE, NO JUMPING JACKS, NO RADIO, NO COLD AIR!!!!!! ONLY SLEEP!!!! ITS REAL EASY FOR A GUY SITTING BEHIND A COMPUTER SCREEN TO JEOPARDIZE THE LIFE OF SOMEONE ON THE ROAD WHEN HE IS NOT THE DRIVER.. GOOD VIDEO MAN!! #STANDYOURGROUND
caffeine will have the opposite effect on people who drink it to much. Instead of keeping you up you'll end up falling a sleep. I can't drink coffee or drink energy drinks without falling asleep after drinking them.
Abe, I respect you so much for making this video, even if you weren’t experienced enough to know what to say. I’ve experienced exactly what you’ve gone through: you have a full night’s rest, you work for a short period of time and they expect you to do another full reset (where you can’t possibly sleep) and then have you drive another 4-11 hours. I’ve learned in this industry: less words === clearer communication. I’d be really curious to see you post an update video on what you’ve learned in the last decade this was uploaded. Me personally, if I have to call I’m saying “I’m tired, going to sleep, I expect to drop at such-and-such time”. If they have a problem with that, say “I can’t do two resets back-to-back”. These guys don’t care if you can sleep or not - if it was them, they would make something work even if it meant stopping to sleep for 30 minutes here or there - these guys are immoral monsters. I’ve talked to countless ignorant drivers who will say, “You had 10 hours and you couldn’t sleep?” ignoring the fact that you just did another 10 hour reset some hours before your second one. It’s always a lot cheaper to sleep than to lose your career, for you and your employer. You’re not meant to be awake for more than 15 hours, and these guys are running you awake for upwards of 40 hours if they figure out how to pull it off. These guys are basically janitors that can’t clean toilets, and you’re the manager being polite and doing their job for them. A good manager does the toilets for the employees he oversees, and a better manager knows when it’s safer to sleep. I would have straight up told the police that you can’t physically drive because the company made you sleep for 20 hours back to back.
And they wonder why there's such a shortage of truck drivers.
Underpaid. Overworked. Disrespected.
Batman less prostitutes on the street to kill
i agree, thats one of the reasons why i quit. they don't give a fuck about us or the safety of others.
every job
Batman not in my area, every other mother fucker is a class A.
Hey Kent, that "nothing" you speak of is 6-8 times more than they can make in a day where they're from, that's why they work hard. In other words, your fucking "pound" is a 6 or more of their fucking ______. Then they mail that shit home to support a struggling impoverished family while you fucking lazy fucks complain about people that will work harder than you for less. Supply and demand man. Lazy entitled fucks get used to getting paid for less work so they learn to expect it, then when competition comes, they complain. Cry me a river, build a fucking bridge, and get over it you fucking wanker.
Driving sleepy is like driving drunk. Respect for standing up👍🏻
It's even worse when you fall asleep.
In Sweden you will get fined and potentially lose your license if you're driving tired.
Did you hear the slurring in his voice near the end of the call? There's a reason the term "sleep-drunk" exists.
Driving sleepy is not like driving drunk, it's worse.
runar68 I never been drunk in my life. But I imagine it feels like being sleepy. You can’t walk, talk, and think straight.
My grandfather has spent 30+ years in a wheel chair because a truck driver fell asleep at the wheel. Killed my uncle. This meant a lot to me.
Have no problem with trucking. Think it provides a lot of jobs.
619 OG Bullcrap we could easily replace the trucking industry
619 OG Drones......
Sorry to hear about that 😭
I just got my license 5 years ago. Thought it was gonna be fun. Till the truth came. I almost got hit by semis on the highway who are driving drowsy / distracted and can’t maintain lane while I’m next to them and almost get sideswiped scary that’s why I had to find out why truck drivers can’t drive
“Fresh air will wake you up like nothing else.”
... “not as much as SLEEP.” 😂😭😂😭
Orion Dezine
The dispatcher is a total tool .
I swear, go out and do some exercises in the fresh air or get some coffee my ass, that wont do shit.
Hell I done all the above and was wide open alert but 2 hours down the road I was pulling over going to bed.....Dont get it twist...I seen drivers sleep driving and I pray I never see the end of failure as that man said...smh
Not all the time.
Moral of the story: Don't call, just take your nap.
RDJim I've done that a few times, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is permission.
If ur asleep and someone knocks, do wat every good trucker does and ignore em, them get up and throw shit on em out the window if they don't leave.
I wish I had saw this earlier today... made that mistake got into an argument with dispatch and long story short quit on the spot
Why were you asking? And you was talking way too much... " I'm tired, I'm stopping "
exactly sometimes a common sense judement call is whats needed i used to be out on the road 10 hr days then id have to drive 2 hrs back home if i was feeling drousey id pull over for a half hour take nap it would usually be a big help
I was hit by a truck driver that ran a stop sign while speeding with a falsified log book. He had been driving three days straight. I am sick of these companies pushing drivers to the limit and then when something happens they pass off the blame on to the poor driver.
Bullshit and lies.. just like the "Moon landing."
The moon landing really happened so yeah just like that...dumbass
Bullshit and lies.. Just like the "Warren Report."
I think automated log systems are a good thing. Most of the larger trucking firms already use them but the problem is the smaller shops. My brother in law worked for one small outfit that made him purchase all fuel in cash.
No one puts a gun to anyone’s head to drive unsafe. This guy in the video is a total clown, get rid of these steering wheel holders and bring real truck drivers back to the industry. There would be a lot less issues, trust me.
There should be a serious federal investigation into this company
Once a truck driver hits an important person or their family then it will be a worldwide shut down on that operation .. Rules will change to if a truck driver even mentions sleep he has to be pulled out his truck immediately .. watch you'll see what im talking about when it happens
And what's do you think will happen?? The Big Trucking companies are so cosy with the republicans in office that nobody will get much more than a slap on the wrist for the most stringent infractions.
Not when they hit that republicans child or family van with twins in it .. the whole world will change ..mark my words on this very night .. its 1132pm on oct 4
Used to work in the corporate office of a trucking company. Obviously, I wasn't around the drivers, but I heard stories and saw some glimpses. It seems like this stuff is common. Only people crazier than the supervisors are the big wigs above everyone. I almost got chills when I watched this wondering if it was the same company
Because this guy can't get rest in 10 hours? He's a pussy and that's all
This angered me so much, ironically it’s affecting my sleep 😡
Thank you for being a decent human.
I'm 4 hours into my 10, woke up randomly and seen this and now I'm fired up knowing I should be going back to sleep lol
mouthful. An idiot. Go to sleep and keep driving with your mouth shut. K
WOW! this affected your sleep? WOW! We live in a different world today!!
You did the right thing by pulling over you saved lives
I think truck drivers are fat because they are always sitting on their ass
Tony, well duh, they eat, sleep and drive. How couldn't they be fat?
Dispatcher knew DOT wasn't around so look at the dispatcher response. No ducks given about safety. DOT do your job instead using drivers as downfall.
One of the scariest things I've experienced on the road is nodding off and waking up while changing lanes.. scariest shit ever.
Kenneth Schrank lmaoooo
Kenneth Schrank yeah just like drunk driving is a skill… til it turns into a nightmare. I have to admit to doing both a few times... a long time ago! It’s weird, when you’re young you don’t think anything bad can happen. Then you get old and think of all the bad things that can happen… hmmm wisdom!!!
Stanky Fish Gutz happens to me once I couldn’t for a whole week after that
Just as the sun was coming up and I was in the seat of a 105,500 lb. tanker loaded with fuel! Quit the next day. Didn't pay me enough to endure rotating shifts 24/7 days a week. Just crazy they can get young inexperienced drivers to take these jobs. $14.00 per hour No OT, No benefits!
Done that many times...scary.
Coming from the aviation community, you NEVER question a pilot if he says that he isn't safe to fly. You honor his decision to either cancel the flight, or find a replacement pilot. There is no explanation involved, no negotiating. The pilot is in command of his aircraft, and if he decides he isn't safe to fly, then he isn't safe. No repercussions. No amount of "manning up" can get you past sleep deprivation, fatigue, or a circadian rhythm imbalance. The NTSB and the Navy Safety Center have literal tons of data on this, and at this point it has been a proven fact.
Hello, could you link some articles/ documents from your mentioned sources please? I would like to read them
@@renovatiovr they're mostly standard operating procedures for different airlines and such, and are mostly private. I'll see if I can find some public examples
A place to start is the Navy's aviation manual, pages 8-13 and 8-14 address circadian rhythm/desynchrony, as well as flight time limitations. Note: this instruction can be differed from "should operational necessity dictate." Operational necessity is a big deal, and happens rarely. Flying a transport flight would not be considered "operationally necessary" www.public.navy.mil/airfor/vaw120/Documents/CNAF%20M-3710.7_WEB.PDF
The second place to look is FAR 121.533. This states that EITHER the dispatcher OR the pilot in command can cancel a flight entirely at their discretion alone. This is federal law, and the airline cannot question the decision of their pilot. www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.533
good comment brother. thanks for adding this info. people gotta know
Truck drivers. Unsung heroes.
I no longer drive a truck, but about 10 years ago I was asked to open my windows to wake me up and about 20 minutes later when driving through a road near a residential area, I side-swiped 5 parked cars. Luckily, it was 3AM and no one was in them.
Did you take off ?
Tom Campbell most likely 😂
Ooof
i hoped you just kept truckin!
No I didnt. I stuck around.
I'm not a truck driver but I want to thank you for doing the right thing, I have seen a couple trucks swerving across lanes repeatedly, thankfully no accidents but you are always taking a chance not only with your own life but others on the road, thanks for putting all of our safety first.
The point of the video is that he wasn't able to do the right thing in terms of safety because of the company. The company screwed him and you think he was successful enough in being safe to thank him?? He was trying, which is thankful, but you can't thank him for being safe because the situation wasn't safe. If you cared about drivers on the road, you would thank him for trying and curse the company for putting him in that situation.
Your words are kind, and supports his strive for safety, but otherwise you're a shill for congratulating his failure. He primarily wants to ACT safe so he doesn't kill people. He doesn't want to be forced to act unsafe and kill people.
Thismy Name I’m not understanding your comment. How did the driver fail? He realized this was a dangerous situation and stopped and called. Despite the “threats” and manipulation to get him to complete his run, he did not continue.
What would have been the “safe enough” option? Quitting on the spot and jeopardizing his family?
Transport managers don't care about a driver, they will run you in the ground while they are sat in their comfy office
At this point the driver say's he's holding a loaded weapon and the dispatcher is telling him to use it.
Exactly
TheNauseator this isn’t legal. Every time when I was to tired. I told them that according to their policy if I don’t feel safe I stop
Say's?
"Says". no damn apostrophe
I lost 2 very good childhood friends because a trucker fell asleep, drifted into their lane, and hit them head-on.
Their parents lost their only kids.
You made the right call. Anyone who risks the lives of others over a load or a paycheck is a worthless sack of shit.
Rip, is the trucker in jail or what happened
I guess your friends got P-P-P-PRANKED GET FUCKED I hope, I'm laughing so much
@@sslandymann7104 le epic troll xD wow epic style. Got me good.
@@spacecowboy3035 he died in the collision as well.
@@sslandymann7104 wtf. Are you serious rn
To everybody that's telling me to "Man up, this is Trucking" I have gotten about 50 or so stories, some with horrific pictures showing the life changing results of tired driving. I hope to god you're just being trolls and that I do not actually share the roads with you. Besides that, I simply could not sleep on the serving second 10hr. Break, I could not refuse the load for fear of my job, but that's really irrelevant tob the video.... You people telling me "That's just truckin" think that how the dispatchers treated me was OK? Shame on any of you so condone fatigued driving and poor treatment of employees.
Thank you spuds! It really bothered me to think that those people who have messaged me with a personal story of fatigued driving and how it impacted their lives were reading those messages, I realize the support I have and am truly thankful for it!
abe, stay focused man. that's how trolls work, like piranhas, they work in packs tearing off just a little at a time until you start 2nd guessing yourself. i start my orientation/training this sat. and your video was a huge eye opener for me, the company i am going with only has 150 tractors and i hope i do not run into this. watch my fishing vids, maybe if ever you are in nc i will take you kayak fishing.
Nice Job runhard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give all these damn super truckers hell.They have no clue what kb is like.
Abe, hope to hear a follow-up on this vid from ya. Take care.
There will definitely be a follow up video, I'll be at the K&B terminal tomorrow and I'll find out what's going on from there. Stay tuned.
I went into trucking school. Passed the minimal schooling with flying colors.
Was sent out on my first week with a Trainer. Never driven anything CLOSE to that size before....day 2 I am heading through the Rockies.(personally...I think that is just stupid, but whatever). I got to the top...and pulled over at the break check point. My trainer/instructor took over. Said I was good for the day...was proud that I drove for triple the amount of time he expected on day 2. I noticed however...I got incredibly tired going up into the Rockies. Thought it was due to poor sleep/getting accustomed to sleeping in the truck cabin. You know.
Coming back through the Rockies at the end of the week. Around...4-5k feet...the fatigue started to hit. I had gotten GOOD rest...so I knew it wasn't that. Some time after that...not sure how long. Everything in my vision began to shrink. Still full field of view...but everything started to look smaller. Told my instructor he had to take over...told him what was happening.
I say all this because of what my trainer said to me afterwards. "I'm proud of you that you called it. You knew something was wrong and stopped instead of continuing on. I know alot of drivers that would keep going...and kill somebody. You did good. Always do that."
I left the business the next morning because what I experienced was a vertigo and panic and anxiety attack induced by Altitude sickness. My brain doesn't like high elevation apparently.
I will never forget my trainer though. Straight up told me to ignore everyone outside the truck. None of them matter when it comes to keeping yourself alive. Fuck the dispatchers...fuck the bosses...fuck everyone not behind the wheel. Those fuckers in the office aren't going to keep you alive at 3am...only you are.
I have sick sinus syndrome "tachy brady" of the heart. I get episodes like you explained all the time. I have a pacemaker. You should get checked out by a cardiologist. Have a holter monitor put on.
That’s easy to say”fuck everybody else” while you’re driving a 80,000 pound truck
Sounds like Prime inc
DrkMynd
No one should be dispatching trucks that doesn't have at least 15 to 20 years of experience driving a truck. I drove for 22 years and I have been dispatching for 4 years now so I know what the man behind the wheel is having to put up with and that's the difference.
Almost forgot. And giving a s***
@@jesusloveschickens3127 I'm pretty sure the "fuck everyone else" was directed at the people who get to sit in an office tell you to keep going regardless of how dangerous it is. Not other drivers on the road...
I'm not a truck driver, but my job in the marine corps had me pulling some pretty crazy hours. Sounds like everyone you talked with on the phone was either completely dissociated from reality or had zero regard for your safety and the safety of others. I get it, it's a business and must be run as such. But what's worse? Delivering a load a few hours late or killing someone because the dispatchers wouldn't let you sleep. I never knew this problem existed.
It's guys like you who hold up this country on their back through blood, sweat, and tears. Stay safe, dude.
Well said, the disconnect is unreal....rather be a few hours late than a truck crashing. There are limits,its a business but you cant disregard safety, doubt the dispatch can really put themselves in his shoes here.
If a trucker was to give in to the humilation and threats, then decide to drive, then kills someone, who do you think gets charged and goes to prison for manslaughter or negligent homicide? Not the dispatcher. The trucking company can get fined or even put out of business if youre smart enough to record these calls, but if you dont record them, the companies will let you take the fall 100%, and you will merely be replaced. I would tell the dispatcher that if he wants laws and safety regulations to be broken for the load, to get his ass into a truck and take the risk himself. A job or paycheck isnt worth going to prison or dying for. The dispatchers should have been fired.
You
Narcissistic piece of shit my old man has been a trucker for 25 years and works for a small company maybe 12 trucks. He left a large company because of this. Go with your gut good job recording and protecting yourself.
Bec there companies are ruined by humans and humans are utter pieces of dog shit and only care bout themselves
@@Ogrodii thank you. Humans are utter pieces of dog shit. The trucker did a good job.
@@Ogrodii left a company because of what??
They asked him to drive after TAKING A 20 HOUR BREAK???
Listen to the start of this video..
Thats exactly what this guy was complaining about. That is re-damn-dunkulous.
Your dad drove 25 years.. Well thats fine. I'll have been out here 25 years in november with 15 more to go.. Im sitting in my truck right now.
This is a fabricated story and this guy is a trouble maker and a crybaby and has no business being in a semi OTR.
*mic drop*
Next time I don't sleep for over 20 hours, I'll go outside and get some fresh air for a minute, that'll do it.
works in rock music, lol. You can't sleep after a show. I don't know what it is...for the record, I don't drink or anything else..Just coffee.
And smack your lips every 15 seconds as he did. That keeps you up.
TightSqueeze Jam at FB thats different than driving an 18 wheeler...jesus what a bad comparison
Take a quick dip in the lazarus pit and youre good to go
you guys just dont know hard work or driving trucks big puss out move i bet none of you have a cdl either not to pull that card on everyone but its true shit sucks
coffee does not wake you up when your falling asleep.. They don't care about your life..or anyone else's life.. It's all about the money..
Carolyn Sparks it's psychopathic
Neither does Red Bull... nothing does unless you start using illicit drugs or prescription drugs illegally
YA! because asking a driver to work 11.5 hours out of 31 hours isnt ligit man thats just wrong lol enjoy that 20g you make a year
Cocaine is your friend
Kenneth Schrank WTF
I had a dispatch threaten me ONCE! and when I told him I was the Wrong One he didn't believe me, until I got back and embarrassed him, in front of the entire office, and yes I threaten him and told him to step outside and say what you said to me, of course he was scared to death lol. The point is don't let these dispatchers punk you . Stand up to them..also become a owner operator so you can have more say in what you do..
OO or a driver for a small company. Usually they wont treat you like shit, less politics and more freedom.
BS! Another lying super trucker who kicked the shyt outta a dispatcher....hahahaha!
I know of a few dispatchers. They all have mouths.. smart a$$.. on the phone... one I know... is that way to your face... WHY do they pick such JERKS, to ruin others lifes ?
🤣🤣🤣💀 Same shit I would've done stone cold on his ass! , I don't understand ppl man just because you got a higher position than me you wanna talk down on me like I'm a bitch or sum'n 😂 , Ppl need to be professional we don't have to be buddies but there needs to be a respectable working relationship it's already tiring to work 5-7 days we don't need that unnecessary BS.
Youre a bad dude😂
Any driver that sides with the company is a complete idiot. Who in their right mind would tell a driver to take a 10 hour break after 30 minutes of coming off of a 10 hour break. This was not a service failure on behalf of the driver. This was a service failure on behalf of the poor planning on dispatch/customer service end. It's that simple. Good job Abe. This trucker is behind you all the way.
+380PPK Totally agree.
Isn't the 14 hour window still in effect after he took his first 10hr break?
Cameron Smith by him taking another 10 hour break, it gives him a fresh 14 hour clock again.
380PPK yea it's what I said
Cameron Smith should be this is a nut STORY
The dispatcher should be fired. Good job going to sleep.
He shouldn’t have accepted the fucking load in the first place. It’s as much his fault as the dispatchers.
@@goatsmiserable555
You know nothing about tricking.
Nothing. At times It doesn't work the way you want it, and you will NEVER retain a job, if you do it your way. This guy did it right, drive all he could, and called in when he couldn't. Knowing the trucking, it's the right thing he did.
You have no idea what you are talking about, and you keep not taking loads time after time, you will go fishing.
It might work your way in come companies, but in most it won't cut for too many times
Everything Life -I am a Truck driver you dumb ass, and I know that if you accept a load your saying you can complete the load on time. Sure he did the right thing by calling it in when he was about to fall asleep, but he should have never accepted it in the first place. He knew he had been up for 15 hours.
You know what worse than turning down a load? Accepting a load, driving two hours to middle of nowhere, and then calling in an telling them someone else needs to pick it up.
It doesn’t appear he is driving at all
Everything is so stable
Looks like a seg up to me
Disagree. That guy took the job, finish the job. Problem with America rn, no commitment due to lack of planning.
I'm a dispatcher for DHL Supply Chain and I applaud you for not giving in to these guys. The first priority, over everything else, is SAFETY. You are the professional driver. You are the shot caller within your truck. If you say it isn't safe for you to continue, then it isn't safe. The load is not more important than your life or the lives of the people on the road around you. The men that you talked to on the phone are absolutely wrong in this situation. If you disagree, then think about if it was your family member who is hurt/killed in an accident involving a 40,000+ pound truck whose operator fell asleep behind the wheel. What if it was your mother, or your child? You wouldn't be so steadfast in your opinion.
DHL is well run operation. Electronics logs are life savers. Smaller companies that expect drivers to run illegally need to be out of business.
That dispatcher better get fired.
No load is worth dying for mate!
Dion R Unless it’s my Amazon prime parcel which in that case, get a move on!
Dion R yea i see this from the non stop drivers more than the smart load truckers. You don’t have to spend every waking moment on a load or haul.
These guys either have shit companies they work for or don’t know how to properly and safety schedule a bid for their next rout.
Kenneth Schrank 😂😂😂 my hero
Can't provide when your 6 ft under.
Can’t make money if you can’t take a risk homie.
Leave the money to us pussy
Wow, that's incredibly poor treatment. I'm sorry you had to endure that but THANK YOU VERY MUCH for taking control of your life behind the wheel and the lives of the driving public. You should be applauded brother.
"lets get out and get some fresh air". These dispatchers are the reason people get killed on the road
Dude. They have to meet a quota.
Capitalism = profits over lives
No. In true Capitalism. Bad companies = Bad Public Relations & Reputation = no one wants to do business with them, no one wants to work for them = Bad companies whither & die.
And with pure Capitalism, there's no government to bail them out, forcing us to pay for them, with the money stolen through taxes. And with no government, there's no monopolies, meaning they can't force people to do business with them. And there would be no government to bribe, through lobbying, to make them the only option for an area, state, or even the whole country.
This is what Libertarianism & Anarcho-Capitalism, are all about. In real capitalism, that company's options are to be good, in every way, or go bankrupt.
This great Trucker is right. If your current employer is bad, you can work for someone else. Depending on the business you're in, you can even start your own business, and be independent.
We need more honest, brave, and clever Journalists, and Whistleblowers, like this Trucker, and Edward Snowden.
If this Trucker didn't do what he did, that company would still be getting away with shit like that. And if he did crash, and killed himself, or others, HE would have gotten blamed, and his bosses would have swept that conversation under the rug, and probably would have slandered him and or distanced themselves from the Trucker, to preserve the reputation of themselves, and the company.
Oh, and with no government. There would be no unfair taxes, fines, fees, regulations, laws, and patents. Companies would be even less likely, to be so nasty to their workers, on top of risking being exposed as pieces of shit.
Reputation would be as important as money, and they would't do anything evil or stupid, to risk that.
Like screwing with the sleep cycles of a driver, threatening & bullying him to keep driving, when he is warning them he is falling asleep. Then tricking the fucking police, to wake him up.
His bosses, maybe even their bosses too, should be fired, or punished in some way.
Yes, when running a business, in a way, you do have to treat workers like machines. And like any machine, they have to be efficiently utilized, and taken care of.
If People In Management Positions, can't do that. Then they don't deserve to be PIMPs.
History goes against that statement Rogue. Uncontrolled capitalism always goes amok, everything can be bought, including public relations.
As a Driver. This has never happened to me. When I get too tired, u just go to sleep, Shut off my Phone and I could care less how dispatchers feel in the Morning. 🤷🏾
"Sir I just found out I have cancer in my balls, its spreading I dont have long to live."
Well get out walk around the truck, get some fresh air and do some jumping jacks, that's how it is in this business
LmFaO!!!!!!
Check out the late Dr. Sebi's site
Lmfao!😂😂
@Douglas Bedore God cares about his people :)
Me As a Ghost: "Sir I just died of restlessness & trucker fatigue. My body is still in the rig"
Dispatcher: Well while you're outside, get some fresh air, do some jumping jacks and you'll be right back in your body alive and back on the road in no time to deliver that load"
Is fresh air code word for crystal meth in the trucking business?
YO THis guy need some fucking yea yo
Dam that funny. I know how does fresh air wake you up? Maybe 10 degree weather but not air
Haha. Get some coffee means get the 64oz coffees at those trucking gas stations
LMAOOOOO!!!! Too funny
fresh cold air can do miragles to a guy who is about to fall asleep on the wheel... I've been in that situation and for me at that time stepping away from the car and walking up and down the highway breathing deep made all the difference... so yeah, something simple as deliberately breathing in some clean air really helps no matter how inadequate it might sound to some of you!
I'm not a truck driver but I did work graveyard shift. when that sleep bug hits you, there ain't enough coffee in the world that'll keep you awake. when your brain starts to shutdown there's nothing you can do but sleep.
Lmao stop being babies 😂 when I turned 18 i worked to jobs one in the morning and one at night and went to school during the day I did that for a year and a half but up or shut up
Difference is falling asleep at your shitty burger flipping job might get you sent home. Falling asleep as a trucker will kill you or someone else.
There's quite a bit of research that would prove the contrary. Sleep is 100% necessary not just for rest but for cognitive functions too. Based on what you're saying and how you act, you must have missed out on quite a bit.
Yes there is a thing called Sleep tiredness I currently work in security weekend 12 hours at a truck-stop I go in the evening I don't get off till the morning so yeah 12 hours sitting here maybe one or two trucks three midnight come in having to stay up when your Patrol boss man comes on random occasions and when you see his vehicle you get up and you try to brush your self off as if you weren't sleeping so yes I understand this guy pain it is hard staying up I drink water but I can't drink too much water cuz it's not good for the body yes I go walking around outside but there isn't much to do sometimes what helps or healthy Energy Drinks like zipfizz or something that's natural and healthy but helps but to a certain amount cuz you don't. Want to get addicted to it or your body's going to get used to it enough and it's not going to work anymore
The worst is when your so fatigued that coffee only gives you jitters and your still tired
I worked for K&B and the exact same treatment I received. Nailed it, this guy speaks the truth.
Mike Ratkiewicz
Was vp at direct transit before going to k&b. They were the same way.
QUIT Abe!!! I wouldn't ever put up with that! NO freight is worth pushing like that. I got over 13000 followers here on TH-cam that i'm going to point AWAY from K&B. You deserve better man. I've NEVER had anything like that happen to me. If you're tired you're tired period. Wow that ticked me off!! Can't believe that happens. Stay away from companies like that
Amen Josh !!
Your missing the point of this video Guy. First off, the video was sent to K&B's safety department and to the highest person in the company I could contact before this video went live on TH-cam, only to be blown off and told that this was just business as usual at the company. I COULD NOT refuse a load from the start due to me fearing fir my job, nor was I in an unsafe condition when I initially picked up the load. I was put in the position of "Drive unsafe or fear for your job" on this one, your entitled to your opinion, no matter how I'll informed and wrong they are, but you completely missed the point of the video.
RunHard GetPaid I have to agree with Abe on this one, IF companies are allow to get away with that kind of B.S., they will continue UNTIL drivers put their foots down and to stop this kind of abuse.
Guy Hodges It don't matter who's fault it is. K&B stepped outta line calling the police to wake him up wasting tax payer money and resources. Doesn't matter who created the issue, the point is that the issue arose and they tried to force him to drive UNSAFE. I'm concerned to be on the road with their trucks now. Abe also has said that they threaten his job if he refuses loads. He was put in a lose lose situation. They cannot put that kind of pressure on their drivers.
Guy Hodges That's exactly what he did...he got tired and pulled over and called dispatch...the whole point of the video was that they tried to tell him to keep going anyway....driver education 101 says that there is no replacement for sleep. Fresh air and caffeine do not replace needed sleep. He did his best to deliver the load cause if he would have refused it he may of been fired. That is unacceptable pressure on drivers.
Where do I buy me some of this "fresh air"? Apparently it's better than cuh-cain and I want in on the profits.
Not in CA, I'll guarantee that!
@@FurlowT hah! I hear ya.. I'd rather suck farts out of balloons than walk around LA again..
Love your content
I'm a security guard a d some of these over nights are killer I don't care what you drink or how much you walk or do jumping jacks it DOESNT MATTER if your body wants to go to sleep it wants to go to sleep
I know what u mean
Gas Mask13 facts dude over nights are brutal when your body needs to sleep it needs to sleep fr
working nights is incredibly hard on your body
Word my body be hurting like hell
Im also in security and yes especially getting stuck working doubles it gets so tiring depending on what you're doing. Definitely gotta manage your off time to sleep enough. Never know when your relief won't show and you gotta stay lol unexpected doubles suck
You should send this to the dept of transportation & safety to show them bullying & encouraging life threatening situations that can get drivers & a lotta ppl on highway killed. Show to the cops too and take it to the media. Shame them into changing things.
DOT ain't gonna do shit. Maybe a fine, and then the company is going to spread the word through fleet messages to all the drivers to make them feel bad. Its doesn't mean jack to the company. Its all write offs anyways. The only thing it effects is how many trucks get pulled into the scales and get inspected. There no regulation on the company itself. Just regulating the drivers. In the end the drivers get screwed 9 ways to Sunday.
I quit long hauling because of this type of shit.
not to mention he's like 40 to 60 pounds overweight because all he does is drive truck, no real exercise or R&R Program in place.
too bad you dont blame the capitalist right wing nazi lovers who own it and dont care who you kill as long as they make money
fkujakedmyname You’re actually insane. You really think the owners of trucking companies are all nazis?
fkujakedmyname oh it's retarded.
Capitalism = profits over lives
This is exactly what I went through. I’ve drove for 11 in years and this is what almost every driver goes through.
When a dispatcher told me to drive in an unsafe condition, especially if I was sleepy, I told them that I wasn’t comfortable with driving and if there was a problem with it, we can talk to the safety manager about it.
Dispatchers don’t give a damn about your safety not the passengers. All they’re concerned about are the loads getting there in a timely manor.
So to any drivers out there, especially new drivers, don’t jeopardize your license, your life, nor anyone else’s life over a load. YOUR LOAD IS NOT WORTH YOUR LIFE!!
its the same way with bus drivers
Not just that once you get in an accident the company throws you under the bus lol no pun intended
Don't ever forget your completely responsible for that truck. Don't let anyone talk you into speeding,driving tired,overweight,over hours,it's your license and your career.
That's not even what the problem is, the problem is that the company is putting faith in someone who has a truck who doesn't deliver their expectations which costs them a ton of money, as they need to get another trucker on the road and have the delivery delayed for hours.
It always depends on what he's delivering, maybe furniture, groceries or whatever that need to be on-time for opening hours which in the end will cost OTHER companies money and giving his truck company a bad reputation AAAND cost them even more money.
It's a very harsh job which should be taken seriously, safety always comes first but keep in mind that safety usually costs too. It's kind of inhumane because these problems would still occur even if he crashed and killed someone
I’m headed to trucking school next month in Texas. Thank you for standing up against these bullies and demonstrating how to handle these situations. I saved this video to my phone in case I ever come across this situation. I’m also buying a dashcam to record all my conversations with dispatchers.
My man you are a life saver and a hero we need more people like you on this earth.
Future Truckers
1.Get a GOOD attorney
2.Make sure your phone can record conversations.
AnnaAnnaYes
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You can't afford an attorney if you haven't got a job or money. You could record your phone convos though but it won't do much good if nobody's listening.
@@Anonyhouse My cell phone can record. both ends of a conversation.Keep a business card in your pocket.If the Attorney can make money,he'll. take the case.
You're required to tell the other party you're recording, anything they say after you make them aware is fair game in court. It's considered consent if they talk after you notify them.
@@Chironex_Fleckeri that's true.But I have recorded conversation I didn't use,so...
The last dispatcher is the epitome of a narcissistic sociopath. Then using the police to wake a driver. How much lower can they go? Misuse of the emergency 911 system is punishable with arrest. If the truckers would be honest with the police maybe a good officer will have them arrested for doing so in the future. The threats were childish and unbecoming of this asshole while using his children as examples. Then he brings your wife in the coversation trying to shame you about a $ penalty that will cost you your check. What a screwed up world. I can be fired for perceived racism or maybe a sexist comment, but encouraging someone to drive a 70,000 lb piece of machinery while falling asleep with threats and intimidation warrants a talking to. Bullshit. He should have been fired on the spot.
he was most likely white, playboy, you're not a good person automatically when you're white, you gotta understand this. it's white people who chose this fate for themselves. get a fucking grip.
@@NostalgiaWound XD
"nothin personnel kid"- theplayboymaster
Falkreath Guard I died laughing at your name and picture
Guitar Nut I would turn that dude in immediately.
Just say, "sounds good to me, lets see what DOT thinks about this call!"
I bet that they shit in their pants when they found out the exposure that this video got, especially when they were on 60 minutes!!😎
Can you send me a link of the article or video on 60 minutes? Ive looked everywhere
Not like anything happened. They didn't do anything "wrong" in regards to the law. In fact, the law that screwed over truckers was passed by the federal government that changed the per mile pay to per hour. This makes it so truckers 'slow down' to earn more, putting more pressure on the employers to manage them.
There is always more to the story than you think. Also.. this guy just slept for 8-10 hours... how much more does he need? If I called into work and told them it wouldn't be safe for me to operate the forklift for the day because I was tired, then I'd likely be canned.
Would you risk killing four generations of a family traveling in a sprinter van on your forklift?
Your forklift isn't on the freeway going at 50 to 70mph. If you doze off on your forklift you're not barreling down a road at people in other vehicles.
This guy slept for 8-10 hours, woke up to drive for 20 minutes and drop off his cargo and was told to take another 10 hour break and he couldn't sleep. After that he had to drive a few hundred miles which would be another 6 to 10 hours. That's practically 20 hours of break time. It's only reasonable that he couldn't fall back asleep after already sleeping for 10 hours prior.
I would have said, "I just had a 10 hour break, I slept for 9 hours, so how about I go pickup the load, make my way to the destination and halfway, let me get that other 10 hour break" Or, isn't there someway you could just get in quick little power naps? And what works for waking me up if I'm tired, coffee. I don't do the energy drinks.
Overall, if that would have been me where you are sitting, I would have told him, I'm going to get a coffee, make my way to the destination, drop off the load, and then I would call them back with, you can take this effing job and cram it!!! I'm sick of being disrespected, especially by any form of management, HR, etc. And what a prick, "don't try" Sorry, all I can do is try. Which means, I will do whatever I can, to the best of my ability, to get the job done. If I say, YES! I can get it done, and I don't get the job done, then that's lying.
Abe: "h---"
Dispatcher: "WhY dOnT yOu JuSt GeT sOmE fReSh AiR aNd Do SoMe JuMpInG jAcKs"
It does help, but what really wakes you up is almost wrecking.
@@destineal not as much as actually wrecking wakes you up!
@@theodorepollock1273 Can't argue with that!
Lmao
Here's a British trucker's perspective th-cam.com/video/QjSL_pukHeE/w-d-xo.html
I'm retired after 36 yrs approx. 3,500,000 miles not totally perfect miles but no major accidents ! You are the boss when you are behind wheel make your own decision if the load is late it's late worry about the Dispatch and the Customer service people later ! Human life is no comparison to any kind of freight with the exception medical maybe! You did the correct thing! Keep on Trucking!
Kevin Wickard .good job abe fuck knb
I would have slept for 8hrs, then drove to where the dispatcher was and put him to sleep. Problem solved.
The Workman XD I like that
Would goto a scale house. Tell them.
Yeah, big guys like you can teach them a lesson
@@Zaidi_227 correct.
You wouldn't of done a damn thing you coward. You can't fight
I'm an old trucker. Used to do night shifts. 7 till 7, 5 nights a week.
When you're tired, and it's cold, stop. Warm the truck with the heater. Nice and toasty. Turn the engine off, shut your eyes. Half an hour later the cab gets cold you wake up, you've had a sleep. Keep you going for a few hours. Then sleep.
this is what works for me!
you seem to have good knowledge of this technique
+Edgy Doggo you sure don't play cards with them.
Funny how men who pay for sex will typically use any other word but "Prostitute". ( hooker / call girl etc.) Pathetic.
+aerialkate do you prefer being called a prostitute? men who don't pay for sex will call them hookers, or whatever as well.
This is basically how every company treats their employees. Just a lot more dangerous when driving a truck.
Kyle Snyder yup, money money money, USA USA USA! Glad to be apart of the profits 😁
Exactly. It's the I own you and you can be replaced workplace
I can vouch for the exact same opposite. I used to work in the oilfield and you would get FIRED instantly if the system recorded you driving longer than 3 hours without a 15 minute break or drive for more than 8 hours in a 24h time window. If the driver was tired you could phone your supervisor and tell them that you needed a nap or pull over and get some sleep, if for some reason your supervisor told you "that's just oilfield" you could report him and his ass would be on the street the next day. I think the problem with the truck industry is that the profit is not so high, so every hour counts, when you deal with bigger amounts of profit, (over 100k$ per job) then they are more lenient. The company was also a multinational with reputation to protect and strict driving policies, so I guess that's a big factor. I can only vouch for my experience though, if you know more about other industries that require driving please share.
Eduardo Yanes Sounds like you worked for a good company. I used to work for a gas company and we would fill oil field truck driver trucks with liquid nitrogen all the time and there were multiple times that those drivers would tell me that they were driving while having not slept for the last 48 hours. Pretty scary
I would like to agree with you
You don't have to be a trucker to know that fresh air and caffeine just don't work when you're that tired. Might do the trick for 10-20 minutes, but not 160 fucking miles. Good on you for standing up for what you know is right.
In my opinion, drinking caffeine makes it worse LOL. It won't give you the boost of energy you need and when it's time to sleep, you won't be able to because of the caffeine. So you're left feeling sleepy, but can't sleep.
nothing works better than sleep.. an hour of sleep will make a huge difference than walking around the truck or drink coffee.
Nothing will help you except for sleep, or adrenaline or I don't know some potent shit that will sober you up for some hours. When you see penguins crossing the road, in the middle of nowhere, on a lonely road through the woods and slam the brakes only to sober the fuck up and realize there are no penguins you realize how much even 1 damn hour of sleep makes a difference between you or worse, getting someone killed.
The only thing that would work for a 4-hour drive when you're falling asleep would be amphetamines, because they force your brain to dump lots of neurotransmitters to wake you back up...which is probably why there are so many truckers who are addicted to amphetamines.
I've worked in the transport industry as a dispatcher and it's always been made paramount that the safety of the driver as well as the public comes first.
These guys on the phone are a joke! They should have done everything in their power to help the driver end of story there is no excuse.
ya dont ask for permission next time, just pull off and go to sleep my dude, figure it out when you wake up, let them fire you theres only about 10000 more trucking jobs around
jake3040 oh Jesus forgive me but sometimes im gonna stop on the sides take a 15mins power nap that hopefully enough for another 3hrs drive.. Ford Transit (3.5T total weight capacity).. im in metal industry but shit most times not on ky favor..
He did that, he'd likely get sacked. Pretty much all trucks have tracking devices on them monitoring speed, time, distances.
jake3040 Best response I totally agree
Correct bro fuck them
I applaud you for standing up. If this is as common, I wish a major network would do an expose on this. Unfortunately, a lot of accidents and deaths need to happen to get the kind of exposure it deserves. Your better off taking this to the media, or sending this clip to a city that just had big rig accident because of something like this. Good luck
this did make national news, 20/20 on ABC did a whole segment on safety in the Trucking Industry because of this video.
+RunHard GetPaid . Im going to school and have my behind the wheel test 12/8/15. It's good to know the good and bad of trucking. It seems like a great profession. Im glad you were clear and adamant with the dispatchers about your lack of sleep. I will look for this 20/20 segment, but now I know how to act and what to do if I find myself in this situation. It's easy for a rookie to be intimidated
+RunHard GetPaid Ribbit! This is good!
+RunHard GetPaid I am truck driver too but i drive in Holland and the rest of Europe,i would like to say something about this but i dont know much about the rules for truck drivers in the US i only know the rules in my country Holland and the rest of Europe and those rules are different from the US so i am told.
+Willem Van Oranje
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Unreal. Everyone should see this. “Jumping jacks” really? Trying to place blame on this man for their bad scheduling.
Tell me please, why would this trucker accept a load he cant do????
Yeah that jumping jacks comment was insane!
Xavier Your Savior in 2 comments below this he said he didnt refuse for fear of losing his job
He accepted the job. Hes the one with the bad scheduling
I pull over as many times as needed. After the 3rd time falling asleep I just stop until the sun comes up
I have so much respect for these truck drivers. I believe these guys deserve more respect than anybody. These truck drivers are heroes in my opinion.
Same
No trucks no lives as we know it
People don’t stand up to corporations enough. This is exactly what unions are for. Everyone just complies and feels obligated to sell their soul. You don’t owe that company your life
@Mad Dissident III exactly....getting fucked by the company? Yeah we don't care. 2 days late on your dues and its the end of days
You are so correct!!
Unions are garbage
@@christibbs6325 Right to Work is Garbage.Trucking used to be the strongest corporation in America.Now it's a shell of SHIT.
Go Union or go Broke. But it must be a reputable union, not a bitch union friendly to big business.
As a Police Officer I have seen many accidents from truck drivers and your average daily driver falling asleep and killing themselves or someone else. No life is worth getting somewhere on time. You my friend did what a responsible truck driver would do and I applaud you for that. Shame on the company for threatening you with your job.
Jonathan Goodwin they are forced to be on time. Hopefully he gets a better job.
Bigkevin26 Did you even read the comment dude? The officer is trying to compliment the video creator for his responsible actions. And don't pull the race card on me cause if you can't red my name I'm Latino lol. As for the officer, thank you sir for your service to our country and as a friend of older former street racers, we thank you for getting these guys to stop endangering others and to take our cars to real race track that is prepared for use of our vehicles.
@Bigkevin26 Fuck you
There needs to be a TRUCKERS UNION!!!! any Politicians out there watching this...
There is. The teamsters union
then i guess they're not doing their job very well...
@@casbomme4321trucking unions aint been very useful since they whacked Hoffa
THAT'S THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO IS GET A UNION FOR TRUCKER..
cas bomme unions aren’t strong anymore unfortunately their hand are tied cause the bottom line is the company has the upper hand.however if more drivers stuck together and fight but it won’t happen cause the attitude is if this guy don’t get that load I’ll get it.if a 100 driver fleet refused to drive cause of a driver being mistreated.that company would be in deep and would have to change their ways or loose accounts.a day of drivers for shit company protesting and not moving their trucks would get their attention.
As a 4 wheeler I take my hat off to this guy for respecting everyone on the roads safety.
Coffee and fresh air will only get you so far down the road before you end up in the ditch or worse
Respect to all the truckers out there, a tough job not appreciated enough by society.
All drivers, be safe out there.
thank you for acknowledging, appreciating, and showing respect to truckers. not many do this anymore. it would be nice for people who don't drive truck to get into the hot seat and see what it's like and the kinds of stressors we face day in and out. Not just with dispatchers, but with other drivers on the roads in general. Again. Thanks
You made the right call. Safety is paramount anyone whom disagrees is irrational.
ALWAYS SAFETY 1st YUR LIFE AND NO ONE ELSES LIFE IS WORTH THAT EXTRA DOLLAR
That's exactly why OSHA exists too.
wrong use of whom; I agree with your point though
@Erich Weiss staying awake driving all day is harder than you think.
@Erich Weiss I'm assuming your a trucker?
Good Job Mr. Driver... Hopefully you Did Not continue driving.. However the mistake you made was that you should had reported it to the State and Federal agencies which govern trucking industry; such as Dept. of Transportation (DOT) or even highway patrol officer. You should had created a written statement with a timestamp, that way If company had terminated you, then you can sue and EASILY win for Whistle-blower and Retaliation which is against State and Federal laws. Any Labor Attorney would jump on that case. A slam dunk win.
Basement Dweller he would win the lawsuit and wouldn't need a job anymore lmao
March against Monsanto so gonna be a truck driver and hope this shit happens so I can sue and go back to carpentry😂
Millennial Truck Drivers...
Overworked and underpaid. No wonder he quit trucking!,,,,!!!
As a health professional, you did the right thing. I do not know the trucking industry but could they tell you to get a few hours of sleep and help you to find another route to get the product to the destination on time? I believe that would be the best solution rather than a phone stating that there employee died or that you have been in a major accident and the people who were in the 4 wheeler died on impact. That suite could be in the millions look at the Walmart incident with Tracy Morgan. No you did the right thing sir. You can always get another trucking job BUT you can never get another life or a CDL once it is lost.
You're right sir. These owners don't seem to care.
Dispatcher is a bully , he definitely lost his job & my respect
I have been a truck driver for almost 2 decades, and I will tell any and every truck driver to stand your ground! The moronic dispatchers like to claim that a late load is a catastrophe, yet they can easily reschedule the load if the truck breaks down. This is an example of how sick our society is in the Soviet U.S.S.A, and probably in many other western countries as well! If a machine breaks down; bosses and dispatches do not lecture it, or threaten to fire it, or try to punish it; they get the machine fixed and move on. Yet, when something happens to a human: All of the above takes place in many companies! Why....; ....that driver must be punished!!!
What a sick society we live in! I am no longer young and foolish. Nowadays I would tell the dispatcher that I will be late in a case like yours! Dispatchers are liars anyway, so they can lie again to someone over the phone! My present company doesn't play that shit on their drivers.
it's all about the bottom line for these greedy pigs and the bottom line is always money only thing enforces safety is these greedy pigs being fined tremendous amounts of money
dude that is a problem of capitalism not communism.
Numira
No the fuck its not!! Its cause this fuggen guy wouldnt tell the dispatcher what the fuck was really going on. Like B Man said just lie to these mf's, or tell them whatever the fuck they want to hear and take care of yourself. I got a lot of time on the road and even a 15 min power nap can do a lot.
yep, you don't see this in airline pilots, because it's heavily regulated... the reason trucking companies get away with this is BECAUSE OF LOOSE REGULATIONS, which is indeed small government capitalism. People are fucking political morons.
What Numira was saying is that the "Soviet USSA" joke doesn't make sense because what he is describing is a problem in capitalism and not socialism/ Communism. Two separate things with their own issues. One could argue that if it we're socialist he wouldn't be in an over worked state that he is now. That said, he could also take advantage of socialism. No one really wins.
"My kids tell me that they're tired, I say that's dramatic bs I don't need to hear. Pack up you're going to the orphanage."
😂😂😂😂😂😂👍
Your a cruel son of a bitch I hope you get what's comming to you and worse it will get you I hate people like you don't deserve kids especially if you treat them like that! Heartless monster your lucky I'm not around you even if there not my kids I treat them as equal as if they werr mine!
Ive been driving for 14yrs bro and Ive been pushed into this position and I learned from several near misses....you did the right thing the right way.....pisses me off that this crap still goes on....I mean they called the police on you!!….bullshit....hope you got another better job bro
TheQuantumSamuri fuck
What do you get when you have an 80,000 pound missile going at 60 mph that is out of control? CARNAGE
Justin Merkes, hes talking about the damn truck you idiot...
You know what I mean justin. Quit nitpicking.
Vasto, justin must be a shill from the trucking company.
Justin, a missile can be an arrow, a boulder used in the old siege warfare. It does not mean just rockets as they are known today.
Justin, I am sure I am older than you. Look up the definition of a missile. So your issue is with my definition of a missile not the fact that an out of control truck is a problem. Learn to put things into proper perspective. You are not very intelligent are you?
This is shameless corporate behavior, This is corporate bullying. Personally, I'd turn this company in to the Federal regulators.
The federal regulators held hostage by the trump administration?
David Skinner I know nothing about it. Are trucking regulators captive to corporate trucking? It wouldn't surprise me. That's the way it usually works... regulators captive to the regulated is SOP.
No, U evil sak of krap, this is shameless 'blame the victim' krap from an EXTORTIONIST type seeking an 'angle' 2 PRETEND they had some kind of 'right' 2 sleep on the job. Sleep all U want, after U R FIRED! =)
capitalism; bully> that is how it works> u have 2 b OK with being bullied> if I was to hire him I would slap that driver 4 lying 2 me about "I'm driving right now.. about to fall asleep" I would not want a lazy worker that is not OK with being bullied around until he dies for his company/me. I want a bitch that does, upon command like a DOG, do what I tell him 2 do for me! I might get smart and say the industry really expects me to hire ONLY teams for drivers.. but not sure if I care when there might b a BIG MAN who can actually do the work of 2 ppl.. yippie.. im so greedy!! I love my corporate GREED! They don't call it a 'RUN' for nothin'
Problem is they've probably been turned in. These big corporations make big donations to politicians of both parties. The powerful protect each other.
Thank you SOOOOOO much for being an amazing driver knowing you shouldn't drive and standing your ground. My mum use to drive 18 wheelers and had the same issues.
Man that last disbatcher is not a good person. My dad was a truck driver and he was rarely off the road driving my long haul. The crazy sleep hours and high stress along with lack off exercise/ movement leads to terrible accidents. It makes me so disappointed, angry and appalled to have companies put profits over people. It’s tragic to be that focused on money the life and being human is seen as a disfunction. Btw I can’t believe that last dispatcher brought up the mans pay and wife that was a cruel and sick way to muscle and minipulate the driver. Props to you for posting this I’m glad it’s got so many views
"My dad was a truck driver and he was rarely off the road driving my long haul" r/nocontext
Welcome to a capitalist society
Bro you are the right one here...don’t let nobody try and tell you different...YOU ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING...i hope a really good lawyer watched this and helps you out man
JAViLL whiny generation of pussies
@@devinpeirce7152 with that attitude we will come closer and closer to slavery. You're a fuckin idiot, no brains.
This is some BS..company putting a load over lives...
The load must of been very important to reach it's destination on time. They must have paid the company like tons of money to make it happen.
Anthony Abelardo Yes..It sounds that way..also,he had 10 hours to rest before this job...should have taken sleep aids..
MONEY MONEY MONEY, Its all its about.
yea really why not get him some meth so he dont fall out
+Terrence Kelsey when you are just coming off a full 10 sleep break, taking sleep aids are going to put you out.
Been driving for 22 years....I've had SEVERAL dispatchers like this....Needless to say, I LITERALLY said to the dispatcher "No, I'm tiard, I'm going to bed, Goodnight!" Needless to say, I found a New job within the next week, and quit driving for POS companies!!
The company I work for now, Is INCREDIBLE!!! No pressure, No BS, No forcing me to do Sh!t!!!
So it's best to avoid mega carriers if possible?
This is sickening for a company, these companies should be named, shamed and FINED!
sounded like to me one dispatcher said 'not how we do it at K&B'
That's what the coercion law is in effect for make a claim
I disagree. See my life in another comment. If you can't manage the physical requirements of a job, and that means 100 hour standbys, working back to back 12s, you can't ask an industry, or an individual companies to do what you need to be comfortable enough to be safe. I mean, this is not exhaustion. It's a guy that wants to sleep like he works at a bank.
the company is werner enterprises. i recognized the partial logo on his jacket. this is not uncommon behavior for this company.
K&B Transportation out of South Sioux City Nebraska
is fresh air slang for cocaine?
No, it literally means fresh air, youd be surprised how much of a difference cold air at night makes when you have been driving a long time.
No if a driver says he's running with Sonny he's on Meth though.
Jackie Chan it was a joke.
MrLOBIP you called him Jackie Chan I’m fucking dead
well.. it was a question
All big companies - trucking or not - do this to some degree. Doing this to truckers is just particularly dangerous because of the nature of the job. Lots of retail companies will schedule an 8 to 10 hour day for someone, stretching into the night (10 or 11 PM), and then schedule them for another 8 to 10 hour shift early the next morning (5 or 6 AM). Not quite the same thing, but similar. It's just people taking advantage of workers, and knowing that if you don't do it, they can get rid of you and hire someone else that will. It's unfair, it's cruel, and in your case, it's dangerous.
Naw sorry that's nothing compared to MANY other jobs, you don't realize how easy doing retail even 12 hours a day is, try bartending open to close then opening the next day at a high-volume bar, that's at least much more difficult, sorry mayn.
@@husknation983 stfu u pu5$y
Companies make money by cutting corners and when the corner is a workers quality of life it should be illegal to be able to make that call. The thing I've noticed is the law is put there (in theory at least) to stop this shit but 100% of the time you will lose your job if you side with the law over something like this.
@@Blake-cn1ic make me white boyyyy
A bartender?? LMAO. If your a bartender and fall asleep, no one cares. If your a truck driver and fall asleep, you kill people. I dont see how a bartender making drinks for peoples enjoyment and entertaining people is harder than truck driving.
Good on you for stopping man, that's saving lives. People driving tired and falling asleep is the reason I lost a leg working on a highway paving crew.
No dispatcher on this earth can tell me what to do as far as mine and others safety, sleep schedule, and overall ability to complete my job in the correct manner. You were too nice to that dispatcher. My answer would have been flat out I’m not doing it, I wouldn’t have reasoned with him or even given him the chance to say his peace. I am the captain of this rig, you are a desk jockey, when it comes down to safety, you do AS I SAY!
A grown man doesn’t need to ask for permission to do the right thing, this is the problem with most people they think they’re going to manipulate other people into allowing them to do what they want to do instead of just doing what you have to regardless of the consequences,This guy even gave you the example of his children which puts you at their level, this is not my opinion this is what unfolded and transpired throughout the video
Thank you trucking companies for putting my families life in danger on the road. Much appreciated. Smh I have seen truckers swerving all over the road. No only that, but there's real crimes going on and to misuse TAX PAYER DOLLARS to call the cops because one dispatch is power tripping, is just a disgraceful misuse of the police. I hope this ahole dispatch was fired! Disgraceful! Thanks for posting dude! 👍
The police have told me to ALWAYS call, if for example, someone's got a fishy vibe. Let them handle it.
Yes, those are good reasons to call the police, but what i was referring to in this video was the police being called on this driver out of spite.
Ya you can stay awake for a week straight just walk around your truck...jumping Jack's and some coffee😅😂
My Dad was a truck driver way back in the day. I would go with him during the summertime for a week, some of the happiest memories of my life. Later as a teenager, I worked at a truck stop. Truckers seemed to be some really lonely people. They were always happy to tell stories of their trips. But some companies treated them, just like poster of this video said, like machines. Is there a union for truckers? If not, there should be. Truckers operate big ass machinery that would flatten anything and a tired trucker is not a safe trucker. Hope this gets fixed.
I rarely comment on videos, but man, these guys treated you & the others on the road like your safety doesnt matter.
The whole "dramatic bullshit" reaction he had me pissed off so much.
best thing to do is walk away. i've worked for several people who had a blatant disregard for my safety. like when i was helping with a job where they were jackhammering some old concrete steps away and i was told to pick up the concrete blocks that were being chopped off within like a foot from an active jackhammer when i have no helmet, no safety goggles, no mask, nothing -_-. all so the guy could be a little more efficient and save $20 by getting the jackhammer rental back earlier. it is not worth the $10/hr they are paying me. not even close.
Work for Costco, they are a fortune 500 company for a reason, even part time gets full benefits!
Anytime... again. ANYTIME a company try to cry about running a load while you are fatigued tell them to speak to Safety to see how do they feel. Then to call the customer and ask them if they mind the possibility of that load being lost because you falling to sleep behind the wheel. Then tell them to call "their home state" and all the states that you would be driving thru and ask them is it ok for you to drive thru their streets while you are sleepy.
Larger the trucking company. Lousier the treatment. Go for medium size company with dedicated regional customers.
i cant believe he had to explain the situation to three different people. Typical management, not one of them want to take any responsibility for making a decision.
HA! you nailed it!
They love bossing others around, but take ZERO responsibility.
Those dispatchers can take pride in being a real life Dilbert cartoon.
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I found myself getting pissed that he kept having to explain himself to different people...like they were giving him the runaround.
Disgusting. Sorry you need to put up with this.
Our society relies on truckers... you deserve every break you need. You did the right thing to prioritize your fellow drivers’ and your own safety before bowing down before those pricks.
The Lord bless you and keep you safe in Jesus' Holy name, Amen.
Sleep would be better.
there's no such thing as a hot load.
if you're not hauling body parts for transplant, its not worth it.
those guy.
a guy driving a desk, doesn't make decisions that a TRUCK DRIVER makes.
the driver is the boss, not the desk driver.
Well...if you're delivering something to a port and it needs to be there by a certain time or the ship will leave without it, I'd say that qualifies as a hot load. But there's no disputing that the dispatcher fucked-up by planning the delivery time with no leeway at all, then making the guy take two breaks in a row, then making him drive at night with no sleep, and not having anyone else available to share the work.
LOL,, I JUST WENT FOR MY TEMPS AND 1 OF THE ANSWERS WAS THERE IS NOOOOOO REPLACEMENT FOR SLEEP!!!!! NO COFFEE, NO JUMPING JACKS, NO RADIO, NO COLD AIR!!!!!! ONLY SLEEP!!!! ITS REAL EASY FOR A GUY SITTING BEHIND A COMPUTER SCREEN TO JEOPARDIZE THE LIFE OF SOMEONE ON THE ROAD WHEN HE IS NOT THE DRIVER.. GOOD VIDEO MAN!! #STANDYOURGROUND
Adderall?
Some pharmaceutical grade meth? No, Sleep is required.
“Drink some coffee” I love it, it’s like the metaphorical equivalent of “rub some dirt in it”
Do some meth its out of your system quick
caffeine will have the opposite effect on people who drink it to much. Instead of keeping you up you'll end up falling a sleep. I can't drink coffee or drink energy drinks without falling asleep after drinking them.
@@blackspot5795 it takes a year for it to come out of your hair.
shave
Truck companies aren't going to hair test, they barely want to pay for the drivers you think they wanna spend that much money?
Abe, I respect you so much for making this video, even if you weren’t experienced enough to know what to say. I’ve experienced exactly what you’ve gone through: you have a full night’s rest, you work for a short period of time and they expect you to do another full reset (where you can’t possibly sleep) and then have you drive another 4-11 hours.
I’ve learned in this industry: less words === clearer communication. I’d be really curious to see you post an update video on what you’ve learned in the last decade this was uploaded.
Me personally, if I have to call I’m saying “I’m tired, going to sleep, I expect to drop at such-and-such time”. If they have a problem with that, say “I can’t do two resets back-to-back”. These guys don’t care if you can sleep or not - if it was them, they would make something work even if it meant stopping to sleep for 30 minutes here or there - these guys are immoral monsters.
I’ve talked to countless ignorant drivers who will say, “You had 10 hours and you couldn’t sleep?” ignoring the fact that you just did another 10 hour reset some hours before your second one. It’s always a lot cheaper to sleep than to lose your career, for you and your employer. You’re not meant to be awake for more than 15 hours, and these guys are running you awake for upwards of 40 hours if they figure out how to pull it off.
These guys are basically janitors that can’t clean toilets, and you’re the manager being polite and doing their job for them. A good manager does the toilets for the employees he oversees, and a better manager knows when it’s safer to sleep.
I would have straight up told the police that you can’t physically drive because the company made you sleep for 20 hours back to back.