The porcelain vase was sold for €16,182,800 (US$19m), 32 times its pre-sale estimate of €500,000 - 700,000, setting a new record at the time for any Chinese porcelain sold at auction in France.
@@IgnatiusChen Many things were stolen before, during and after the Opium Wars I & II. From porcelain vases (especially Ming vases), to jewelry, to ships, etc. Youn ame it, it was stolen out of mainland China. Also, not by one nationality, but many countries participated in the looting of mainland China. Sotheby's doesn't care if it was stolen, they'll sell anything.
Wow, very beautiful vase. About 3 years ago, I have read a lot about the different colored porcelains made during each Chinese dynasties and was very fascinated by it.
I've collected vases, mostly glass, which has allowed me to also view very fine porcelain vases, including ancient Chinese ones. However, while I've seen many very beautiful ones, this vase is off the scale by comparison. I can't imagine nor have I ever seen another vase even half as perfect in execution and beauty. To have been there and watched what were likely more than one artisan, each the very best in their field (ie. steps) required to create the vase would have been absolutely amazing. Imagine a porcelain fabrication master, the master who shaped it, the one who cured it, the painter and then the glazer and kiln master who give it it's final firing, all the very finest in their respective field. If my references are not technically correct forgive me as glass is my forte. What I know of porcelain fabrication is by comparison very little and a byproduct of seeing it alongside glass vases. Simple an amazing example, finer than most fine art paintings.
You may know this already, but Qian Long was an emperor who was a particularly ravenous (for want of a better word!) patron of fine arts and, by extensions, the very best artisans in China that one could find during his reign. Him being the absolute ruler, you can imagine the lengths that those craftsmen would go to impress their supreme lord when a piece has been commissioned. He was also known to be an avid collector - without him and his royal protection (i.e. concentration of items in the Forbidden City) many priceless Chinese artefacts, paintings and calligraphic works might not have survived the turbulent times in 19th and 20th century China.
Makes you wonder how many of those historicaly precious object to art and humanity disapear forever each year because the owner didn't even knew what it was.
If you Watch antiques evaluation shows you will see that most of the treasures were sitting in attics or garages before being dragged into the show. Most people say 'oh it doesn't go with my decor' which says a LOT about their decor each time. One lady rooted out in a bin bag in her garage and took in two vases that were Worth a lot of money. Most people react by saying 'oh now I love it', really ?
@@blondieeastwood9120 what gold? their gdp is negative mate, I don't know what fantasy you're living in where Tibet is anywhere remotely wealthy. It was a theocracy ruled by a dictator called the Dalai Lama who practiced skin flaying, slavery and cannibalism. Why are Westerners so infatuated with Tibet? I think I know why, Orientalism, exotic gaze of East Asia, Tibet as a magical place of enlightenment. Lol, give me a break.
@John Ashtone Not really. There were a lot or priceless artifacts that were destroyed in WWII during the London bombing campaign. Not only in London, but there were artifacts in Berlin and that got bombed to shits.
You should work for Sotheby's it appears you know Chinese history. I am Chinese on both sides of my parents Eastern and Central China about 6% I did a test with my DNA sample. I love to paint Chinese artwork, and I have sold my work to Chinese collectors. My artwork is highly respected and in demand.
Qing Li, it’s funny how some people always think, that they know better. No offence to you, and you may be correct. But you would think that a highly esteemed company like Sotheby’s, who has many experts of fine arts around the world, should get their facts wrong. You may need contact Sotheby’s directly, to inform them of their mistake and then contact the expert who gave them the interpretation and tell them of their incorrect interpretation. At this stage of this clip, I choose to believe the interpretation of theirs over yours. As their qualification is world renowned and yours in reality is just hearsay. You make this statement, without quoting your qualification, to say the things you say.
@@hajorodyk1470 Do you speak Mandarin? How can you presume to correct someone who is a native speaker seeking to add to the discussion. The Sotheby's folks are probably not native speakers of Mandarin either. Therefore, it is entirely possible that this Chinese pictogram could have been misinterpreted by the narrator. Online translations say this means 'good fortune', narrator says, 'happiness', and Quing Li says, 'social status'. All the same thing. If you have good fortune, you get higher social status and that brings happiness. Personally, I would believe Quing Li over Sotheby's. They may be antiquity experts but not Chinese language experts. Quit being such an insufferable elitist. And since we are on the subject of language, the British form of 'offence' becomes 'offense' in American English. Since this discussion is taking place here in America. Quing Li - 謝 謝
@@hajorodyk1470 That's where you're wrong. Deer in some cases can mean happiness but also higher social position. It is most commonly used to demonstrate a position of importance or high salary or eternal life due to the growing antlers. It is basically used a symbol for growing fortune, happiness and prosperity, but actually not literally happiness but what portrays happiness. Maybe you can do your own research because someone at world renowned 'Sotherby's' clearly did not do enough homework.
@@NickLiang if you take the position of language, you are absolutely correct, but from what I have seen in my studies, in art it means longevity. But is it me you should be attacking. Maybe you experts on the subject, should be writing to Sotheby’s and correcting their awful mistake. I’m just a nobody, who expressed an opinion, which seems to have irked you experts. To be quite honest, I’m over it and have moved on, maybe you experts should build a bridge and get over the fact, that we are all entitled to an opinion.
I've always wondered when someone brings in something like this to be evaluated, do they have an 'inconceivable' alarm button to push? Do any of them become so overwhelmed that they shout in delight? I'm sure the person selling it for $20,000,000 skipped all the way home! I would!!
I follow a lot of chinese porcelain via the net but this piece is the most beautiful I have ever seen. I hope that it goes on display and not on some billionaires shelf !
@@unshackledlyrics I hope it goes on a billionaire's shelf and then gets knocked to the floor by his cat and shatters into a thousand pieces. (Well, I don't really, but in the long run it wouldn't actually make any particular difference to my life).
@@MM-Iconoclast I can only make a guess, but Chinese tend to associate numbers with luck or other life influences. Just like Americans will associate "7" as lucky or "13" as unlucky.
@@MM-Iconoclast The number 8 in Chinese rhymes with "prosperity." As with the western culture, which considers 7 lucky and 13 unlucky, the Chinese considers 8 lucky and 4 unlucky (4 rhymes with "death").
We're very lucky western nations were able to save some of these Chinese artifacts before the communist regime destroyed them all. Mao's communists literally tried to erase all evidence of China's history prior to his reign. Still today the Chinese communists have no respect for their own history, they're destroying ancient sites to build highways and dams.
@@martinnolan4800 It's impossible to know that, but I see no direct connection between the opium wars and the CCP. Over a hundred years of complex history played out after the last opium war. Empress Dowager Cixi was a corrupt despot, whose reactionary politics and refusal to modernize led to the end of the Qing Dynasty and a massive power vacuum. Then the Republic of China rises to power, which may have succeeded if not for the Japanese invasions undermining its nation building efforts and destroying its popularity. The CCP was lucky to rise to power during a time of relative peace and after Japan had been disarmed by the United States.
@@PatrickPierceBateman The “gunboat diplomacy” of Lord Macartney and the intelligence gatherers, followed by the destruction of the pathetically outdated Chinese Navy delegitimized The Emperor. Of course, the Chinese Empire was complicit in it’s own destruction. However, the opium sellers undermined the entire social order of China. The rise of the Maoists with it’s insane variation of Communism was the end result of a long sequence of humiliations. That’s my main point. You’re right to say that I can’t “know that.” However having a century of foreign exploitation wasn’t a help. Also, Japan with it’s monstrous (barely acknowledged) war crimes; the equal (perhaps) of Hitler, played a part in the rise of the C.C.P. Hopefully, some reformer will emerge behind Xi. You’re knowledge of China is superior to mine, I admit. What happens there in the next twenty years is critical to the future of humankind. We might agree about that.
The person who had this in the attic most likely is the descendant of the soldiers who looted the palace in China. They most likely kept it in the family without knowing what it was and stored in a box somewhere.
Bad camera work and editing. As soon as you are able to focus on something, the camera cuts away. You never get a good look at anything. Frustrating to the eye.
@@MrMannyhw yeah and ironically the fact that they were looted saved a lot of it probably. The Chinese can complain about how their treasures were looted only to have gone about trying to destroy their own history and artefacts during the cultural revolution.
My father also has a beautiful Chinese porcelain vase in his basement. He had it before I was born. At the bottom it has a printing that says Made In Japan. I wonder how much he can get it for?
her family had inherited it in 1948 from a Great Uncle and just ended up being stored in her attic. Her Great Uncle, had a collection started in the late 19th C. . It wasn't hiden in the sense that they were doing anything wrong, it's just where it was put. Maybe nobody in the family liked it enough to display. We've found amazing stuff stored in attics going back decades when settling estates.
Why looted ? It could have been sold , or stolen by some people in the palace and then sold. Would be an amazing story if that vase could talk. The rest is imagination ....One thing sure Mao could have destroyed it during the Cultural Revolution.
I had in my possession a porcelain raised tray, it was Meissen Very early 18th it was broken but you could see same decoration of this vase with deers and a forest scene. During my contentious divorce the piece disappeared or someone trough it away. Maybe in archives of Meissen, the decoration was very similar. Very
Ive always wondered why thereisnt a european pickers show like there is in america where guys go out to find antiques especially when theres super old stuff in europe to be found
The legal framework for stolen art is fairly recent and doesn't cover anything from that period, as the law doesn't apply retroactively. If this counted as « stolen goods », then American museums would have to be emptied out of all their Medieval collections (which mainly come from theft following the French Revolution), for example.
@@CirageNoir well how much the USA has taken from France ? R u never heard about the Rockefeller,Carnegie, or other rich Americans collecting NOT stealing and giving to the museums ? In those times they can buy the whole France and then some ! Why French people like U always have this strange approach to blame my country for everything??? Have some CLASS . Regards Andy . More Chinese artifact was sold by members of Communist parties than taken from people ! Most people in China had s--t in those days and the top echelon of their society was in possession of priceless items and sold them ! Keep crying .
Who told You that ? Who stole this object! This Country U S A had so many rich people collecting artifacts and giving to museum’s like no other country in the world ! Never heard about Carnegie, Rockefeller or Mellon ? Is there official Chinese claim about this object ? NO , because most of them was sold by communists during Mao’s time to keep the regime alive ! Regards
This reminds me of my granma's old vases.. and things. Looks exactly like that. There is still this kind of replica in the 1980s and things like that. Even though these had stamps, I'm sure that there is a LOT of these kind of items ? The question is... why are people surprised? I bet that, they were still being made, or kept for a very long time. Or those that are left are destroyed or something. Or told not to be let out... cos I'm sure that those old manufacturing sites still exist today. Even for the Japanese.. their old kilns and things still exist. In fact, in HK, there are some old kilns that were destroyed, and it dated back to the Song dynasty's.... Not all histories are documented as equally.
If it was the legal Property of the owner, I assume it got the 18M$ realized at auctions, minus the auction fees and taxes. Monney won't ever be a problem for the ex owner !
It was not stolen, it was bought. Traded. And now, China want their old things back.. cos they want to rebuild back their legitimacies. Including the criminal gangs... those who now sits on top tiers... This is the travesty. Cos I know that, they shall get a lot of support from the West on this twist of event.
how the hell does an imperial Chinese vase end up in an attic in France and the person who has it has no idea what it is. I'm guessing it was stolen at some point.
Almost always there is an inheritance one person in the family has had an interest or appreciating beautiful objects, the children or grandchildren did not, or did not understand
FYI: Majority of the treasures of the Forbidden Palace surviving today are displayed in Taiwan. It was transferred to Taiwan under Gen. Chiang Kai Shek. If that did not happen, Mao could have destroyed them all during the Cultural Revolution. Yes, this piece could have been from the Summer Palace, or the Winter Palace that Britain burned in the 1860's. This was the time Hong Kong and Vladivostok was ceded to Britain and Russia.
@Seán White Lol, communists are Chinese. Give South Korea back to the North Koreans. By your logic, give America back to the natives. Oh wait, thats actually logical because the natives were there first, and have no genetic relation to White Anglophones...
There is no excuse for senseless destruction or pillage no matter who commits it. They threw eggshell porcelain vases off stair cases just to watch them shatter. Whatever they couldn't carry was destroyed. All because the Chinese didn't want to buy opium and shoddy merchandise from them. And so thousands of years of art and civilization were destroyed. It can be argued that if China was not carved up by the powers and left to develop on it's own as it was doing Mao would have never come to power or for that matter even existed. So how does robbing a palace and bullying a people into submission save a people's art and heritage.
The porcelain vase was sold for €16,182,800 (US$19m), 32 times its pre-sale estimate of €500,000 - 700,000, setting a new record at the time for any Chinese porcelain sold at auction in France.
Looted artifact
buyer is chinese billionaire
@@IgnatiusChen Many things were stolen before, during and after the Opium Wars I & II. From porcelain vases (especially Ming vases), to jewelry, to ships, etc. Youn ame it, it was stolen out of mainland China. Also, not by one nationality, but many countries participated in the looting of mainland China. Sotheby's doesn't care if it was stolen, they'll sell anything.
@@IgnatiusChen These vases were exported, not looted.
To have those amazing colors from such a time. That is truly a remarkable piece.
When I travel to New York or Paris or any such places I skip the tourist places and head for Sotheby’s. It’s never disappointing.
Wow, very beautiful vase. About 3 years ago, I have read a lot about the different colored porcelains made during each Chinese dynasties and was very fascinated by it.
I've collected vases, mostly glass, which has allowed me to also view very fine porcelain vases, including ancient Chinese ones. However, while I've seen many very beautiful ones, this vase is off the scale by comparison. I can't imagine nor have I ever seen another vase even half as perfect in execution and beauty. To have been there and watched what were likely more than one artisan, each the very best in their field (ie. steps) required to create the vase would have been absolutely amazing. Imagine a porcelain fabrication master, the master who shaped it, the one who cured it, the painter and then the glazer and kiln master who give it it's final firing, all the very finest in their respective field. If my references are not technically correct forgive me as glass is my forte. What I know of porcelain fabrication is by comparison very little and a byproduct of seeing it alongside glass vases. Simple an amazing example, finer than most fine art paintings.
You may know this already, but Qian Long was an emperor who was a particularly ravenous (for want of a better word!) patron of fine arts and, by extensions, the very best artisans in China that one could find during his reign. Him being the absolute ruler, you can imagine the lengths that those craftsmen would go to impress their supreme lord when a piece has been commissioned. He was also known to be an avid collector - without him and his royal protection (i.e. concentration of items in the Forbidden City) many priceless Chinese artefacts, paintings and calligraphic works might not have survived the turbulent times in 19th and 20th century China.
Daniel Fronc, you should visit the Palace Museum in Taipei. Amazing collection of porcelain!
Makes you wonder what other sorts of things are currently collecting dust in someone's attic...
Makes you wonder how many of those historicaly precious object to art and humanity disapear forever each year because the owner didn't even knew what it was.
If you Watch antiques evaluation shows you will see that most of the treasures were sitting in attics or garages before being dragged into the show. Most people say 'oh it doesn't go with my decor' which says a LOT about their decor each time. One lady rooted out in a bin bag in her garage and took in two vases that were Worth a lot of money. Most people react by saying 'oh now I love it', really ?
A dead rat and some old faded photos of my hippy days in the 1970's in mine.
What a amazing creation! Love at first look.
Probably plundered from 1860 - 1861 during the British / French expedition into the Old Summer Palace. There was a lot looting at that time.
should start plundering theirs soon too
Yup
@@d1want34 🤔 perhaps it will take some time,yet. The chinese communists are still busy plundering the Tibetan gold.
@@blondieeastwood9120 what gold? their gdp is negative mate, I don't know what fantasy you're living in where Tibet is anywhere remotely wealthy. It was a theocracy ruled by a dictator called the Dalai Lama who practiced skin flaying, slavery and cannibalism. Why are Westerners so infatuated with Tibet? I think I know why, Orientalism, exotic gaze of East Asia, Tibet as a magical place of enlightenment. Lol, give me a break.
@John Ashtone Not really. There were a lot or priceless artifacts that were destroyed in WWII during the London bombing campaign. Not only in London, but there were artifacts in Berlin and that got bombed to shits.
Stunning. And for it to have been hidden away for so many years…
Those are hand made.. It is unbelievable..
That color combination!! So surreal..
took my breath away .. its just (loss of words) to describe my feelings.
I’ll take you over to the Pottery Barn, they will have something similar for about 13,999,950 less. 👌🏻
"Deer" doesn't mean happiness, in Chinese deer has the same pronunciation of Lu 禄， which means higher social position and thus power.
You should work for Sotheby's it appears you know Chinese history. I am Chinese on both sides of my parents Eastern and Central China about 6% I did a test with my DNA sample. I love to paint Chinese artwork, and I have sold my work to Chinese collectors. My artwork is highly respected and in demand.
Qing Li, it’s funny how some people always think, that they know better. No offence to you, and you may be correct. But you would think that a highly esteemed company like Sotheby’s, who has many experts of fine arts around the world, should get their facts wrong. You may need contact Sotheby’s directly, to inform them of their mistake and then contact the expert who gave them the interpretation and tell them of their incorrect interpretation. At this stage of this clip, I choose to believe the interpretation of theirs over yours. As their qualification is world renowned and yours in reality is just hearsay. You make this statement, without quoting your qualification, to say the things you say.
@@hajorodyk1470 Do you speak Mandarin? How can you presume to correct someone who is a native speaker seeking to add to the discussion. The Sotheby's folks are probably not native speakers of Mandarin either. Therefore, it is entirely possible that this Chinese pictogram could have been misinterpreted by the narrator. Online translations say this means 'good fortune', narrator says, 'happiness', and Quing Li says, 'social status'. All the same thing. If you have good fortune, you get higher social status and that brings happiness.
Personally, I would believe Quing Li over Sotheby's. They may be antiquity experts but not Chinese language experts. Quit being such an insufferable elitist. And since we are on the subject of language, the British form of 'offence' becomes 'offense' in American English. Since this discussion is taking place here in America.
Quing Li - 謝 謝
@@hajorodyk1470 That's where you're wrong. Deer in some cases can mean happiness but also higher social position. It is most commonly used to demonstrate a position of importance or high salary or eternal life due to the growing antlers. It is basically used a symbol for growing fortune, happiness and prosperity, but actually not literally happiness but what portrays happiness. Maybe you can do your own research because someone at world renowned 'Sotherby's' clearly did not do enough homework.
@@NickLiang if you take the position of language, you are absolutely correct, but from what I have seen in my studies, in art it means longevity. But is it me you should be attacking. Maybe you experts on the subject, should be writing to Sotheby’s and correcting their awful mistake. I’m just a nobody, who expressed an opinion, which seems to have irked you experts. To be quite honest, I’m over it and have moved on, maybe you experts should build a bridge and get over the fact, that we are all entitled to an opinion.
I got goosebumps just looking at it.
Very beautiful vase amazing !!!
Beautiful colors, intricate artwork
Absolutely stunningly beautiful vase.
I've always wondered when someone brings in something like this to be evaluated, do they have an 'inconceivable' alarm button to push? Do any of them become so overwhelmed that they shout in delight? I'm sure the person selling it for $20,000,000 skipped all the way home! I would!!
I follow a lot of chinese porcelain via the net but this piece is the most beautiful I have ever seen. I hope that it goes on display and not on some billionaires shelf !
i hope it goes on a billionaire’s shelf.
@@unshackledlyrics I hope it goes on a billionaire's shelf and then gets knocked to the floor by his cat and shatters into a thousand pieces. (Well, I don't really, but in the long run it wouldn't actually make any particular difference to my life).
@@jamesclendon4811 I hope you never have children…
@@karmatt3098 That makes two of us.
a chinese billionare bought it
Estimated at €500,000-€700,000, sold for €16.2 million.. wow!
Sold for 16,182,800 Euros.
Thankyou x
@Vivian Foster Can you elaborate?
@@MM-Iconoclast he means that they are cheap and always looking for a bargain. Pretty well known stereotype
@@MM-Iconoclast I can only make a guess, but Chinese tend to associate numbers with luck or other life influences. Just like Americans will associate "7" as lucky or "13" as unlucky.
@@MM-Iconoclast The number 8 in Chinese rhymes with "prosperity." As with the western culture, which considers 7 lucky and 13 unlucky, the Chinese considers 8 lucky and 4 unlucky (4 rhymes with "death").
Stunning. 🤩
ah yes to be a Soldier in a foreign war were wealth was a plenty to steal.
We're very lucky western nations were able to save some of these Chinese artifacts before the communist regime destroyed them all. Mao's communists literally tried to erase all evidence of China's history prior to his reign. Still today the Chinese communists have no respect for their own history, they're destroying ancient sites to build highways and dams.
@@PatrickPierceBateman Would there have ever been a Chinese Communist Regime had it not been for the “Opium Wars?”
@@martinnolan4800 It's impossible to know that, but I see no direct connection between the opium wars and the CCP. Over a hundred years of complex history played out after the last opium war. Empress Dowager Cixi was a corrupt despot, whose reactionary politics and refusal to modernize led to the end of the Qing Dynasty and a massive power vacuum. Then the Republic of China rises to power, which may have succeeded if not for the Japanese invasions undermining its nation building efforts and destroying its popularity. The CCP was lucky to rise to power during a time of relative peace and after Japan had been disarmed by the United States.
@@PatrickPierceBateman The “gunboat diplomacy” of Lord Macartney and the intelligence gatherers, followed by the destruction of the pathetically outdated Chinese Navy delegitimized The Emperor. Of course, the Chinese Empire was complicit in it’s own destruction.
However, the opium sellers undermined the entire social order of China.
The rise of the Maoists with it’s insane variation of Communism was the end result of a long sequence of humiliations. That’s my main point.
You’re right to say that I can’t “know that.” However having a century of foreign exploitation wasn’t a help.
Also, Japan with it’s monstrous (barely acknowledged) war crimes; the equal (perhaps) of Hitler, played a part in the rise of the C.C.P.
Hopefully, some reformer will emerge behind Xi.
You’re knowledge of China is superior to mine, I admit. What happens there in the next twenty years is critical to the future of humankind.
We might agree about that.
I can’t imagine how many valuables were stolen at that time. Bought by people and some even thought of as junk sold at a secondhand store.
It could have been destroyed in china during the cultural revolution. Glad to see it's still intact.
The communists would have smashed it just because...
@@rovhalt6650 this is why the Anglos were call barbarians. To this day you still have to mentality.
This is the beauty that the world should be creating; instead of war and hate. Music and ART connect us all.
Oh my goodness I adore Chinese pottery but this is next level WOW ❤
anyone wonder how these people get such objects in their possession in the first place?
Have you ever heard of "Eight-Nation Alliance" in the beginning of 1900
War plunder.
@@saycat6758 exactly!
Yes, its called stealing from the loved ones.
The person who had this in the attic most likely is the descendant of the soldiers who looted the palace in China. They most likely kept it in the family without knowing what it was and stored in a box somewhere.
Bad camera work and editing. As soon as you are able to focus on something, the camera cuts away. You never get a good look at anything. Frustrating to the eye.
Turn the music up louder, it'll make the video more dramatic....
So beautiful
0:51 music was so incredibly loud I had to dampen it down to 10% rediculous.
Ridiculous
Amazing piece and to think it was transported in a shoebox. The estimate was about a $ million U.S.
What did it bring at auction?
It was sold for 16.5 millions Euros, an equivalence of $18.1 millions dollars.
Now, in 2019, it's worth more than $20 millions dollars.
@@terriesmith8219 damn that old broad got paid well!
A probable looted vase but still stands proud as a Made in China piece! What a timeless beauty!
Looted during the opium wars period. Like all other treasures of China.
@@MrMannyhw yes
@@MrMannyhw yeah and ironically the fact that they were looted saved a lot of it probably. The Chinese can complain about how their treasures were looted only to have gone about trying to destroy their own history and artefacts during the cultural revolution.
@@petecabrina they will get it back
@@petecabrina Stop lying
My father also has a beautiful Chinese porcelain vase in his basement. He had it before I was born. At the bottom it has a printing that says Made In Japan. I wonder how much he can get it for?
I got one for a dollar at a thrift shop. At the bottom was printed Made in China. LoL!
Good thing she didn't forget it on the train.
Amazing piece!!!
it looks new.
$12.99 on Ebay, free shipping.
new Crafts ，smart guy！
How did it end up to be hidden in the attic? Hidden for what reason
stolen by one of her ancestor?
Mama Miya Safekeeping, especially during either or both world war one or two. It's being up there served its' purpose, ie. Its' survival.
her family had inherited it in 1948 from a Great Uncle and just ended up being stored in her attic. Her Great Uncle, had a collection started in the late 19th C. . It wasn't hiden in the sense that they were doing anything wrong, it's just where it was put. Maybe nobody in the family liked it enough to display. We've found amazing stuff stored in attics going back decades when settling estates.
they now the value and importance so they looted.that's why it's safe and able to see such a beauty in today
Looks like it also has cloisonne work with the porcelain painting.
very beautiful
That's an inscrutable level of detail o.0
Rick from Pawn Stars - I'm taking a huge risk here, but I can go as high as $40 and an unopened pack of Hubba Bubba from 1983.
How did the vase end in France?
French looted?
Why looted ? It could have been sold , or stolen by some people in the palace and then sold. Would be an amazing story if that vase could talk. The rest is imagination ....One thing sure Mao could have destroyed it during the Cultural Revolution.
I had in my possession a porcelain raised tray, it was Meissen Very early 18th it was broken but you could see same decoration of this vase with deers and a forest scene.
During my contentious divorce the piece disappeared or someone trough it away. Maybe in archives of Meissen, the decoration was very similar. Very
Beautiful
How the old lady acquire the vase?
I think it went way past its estimate and sold for around 16 million Euros.
Ive always wondered why thereisnt a european pickers show like there is in america where guys go out to find antiques especially when theres super old stuff in europe to be found
such a piece of art.
Amazing skill found in these Chinese creations. Is it a lost art? Or, are such items just too expensive to create nowadays?!
Mao killed the artisans during the "great" famine...
Did the woman who owns it/found it in her attic get any money for it?.
Looted from the summer palace
The music is over the top, rediculously loud!
At what point do these auction houses realise and are held accountable for handling stolen goods, as in this case?
The legal framework for stolen art is fairly recent and doesn't cover anything from that period, as the law doesn't apply retroactively. If this counted as « stolen goods », then American museums would have to be emptied out of all their Medieval collections (which mainly come from theft following the French Revolution), for example.
@@CirageNoir well how much the USA has taken from France ? R u never heard about the Rockefeller,Carnegie, or other rich Americans collecting NOT stealing and giving to the museums ? In those times they can buy the whole France and then some ! Why French people like U always have this strange approach to blame my country for everything??? Have some CLASS . Regards Andy . More Chinese artifact was sold by members of Communist parties than taken from people ! Most people in China had s--t in those days and the top echelon of their society was in possession of priceless items and sold them ! Keep crying .
Who told You that ? Who stole this object! This Country U S A had so many rich people collecting artifacts and giving to museum’s like no other country in the world ! Never heard about Carnegie, Rockefeller or Mellon ? Is there official Chinese claim about this object ? NO , because most of them was sold by communists during Mao’s time to keep the regime alive ! Regards
she took the train to Sotheby's in Paris. If the French government had issues it would not have been auctioned.
ended selling for 16.18 million euros!!
I wonder what the final price was at auction?
Website says 16,182,800 EUR
Loved it.❤. Alison, The China Repair Studio.
what did the woman get in exchange?
maison marson she will get the money that will come from the sale of the vase. . Sotheby's is an auction house....
Free bus pass.
@@mizzypoo4827 Lifetime! 🤣😜😏
She'll get a lifetime of financial security in exchange. If she doesn't squander the wealth.
It sold for 16,182,800 euros. So that minus the auction fees.
This reminds me of my granma's old vases.. and things. Looks exactly like that. There is still this kind of replica in the 1980s and things like that. Even though these had stamps, I'm sure that there is a LOT of these kind of items ? The question is... why are people surprised? I bet that, they were still being made, or kept for a very long time. Or those that are left are destroyed or something. Or told not to be let out... cos I'm sure that those old manufacturing sites still exist today. Even for the Japanese.. their old kilns and things still exist. In fact, in HK, there are some old kilns that were destroyed, and it dated back to the Song dynasty's.... Not all histories are documented as equally.
How can 18 people give this the thumbs down? No concept of art or beauty, obviously! 😖🙄😖
these are people who hate art and culture but they take the time to watch and comment?????
nice pot.
I saw that vase on the movie RUSH HOUR
Let me guess, 99.99% possibility that it was taken by the Eight-Nation Alliance from the old summer palace in Beijing China back in the 1900
Stupid question but can anyone tell me how much money the person who brings in the artefact gets? I mean the previous owners?
If it was the legal Property of the owner, I assume it got the 18M$ realized at auctions, minus the auction fees and taxes.
Monney won't ever be a problem for the ex owner !
anyone know value in todays us dollars approx pls?
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its not lost, its stolen
It was not stolen, it was bought. Traded. And now, China want their old things back.. cos they want to rebuild back their legitimacies. Including the criminal gangs... those who now sits on top tiers... This is the travesty. Cos I know that, they shall get a lot of support from the West on this twist of event.
how the hell does an imperial Chinese vase end up in an attic in France and the person who has it has no idea what it is. I'm guessing it was stolen at some point.
Almost always there is an inheritance one person in the family has had an interest or appreciating beautiful objects, the children or grandchildren did not, or did not understand
In my opinion it is the spoils of some war…..
$17 million US Dollars, not bad for a tabletop flower vase.
Not only thief generational thieves
If it had remained in China it would have been smashed in cultural Revolution. 🇨🇳
Beautiful piece even its fake I don,t mind
So does China get it back?
Even modern technology can’t make something as beautiful and precise as this old Chinese vase.
So you make a good fake for about 1 million dollars to pay specialist, chemist, physicist and artist, than sell it in a shoebox for 16 millions.
Good luck faking that. The quality of the workmanship is absolutely stunning.
I someone were so artistic that they could reproduce such works of art, they would not need to be a criminal.
I came for the looting comments
Thief !!!
you obviously don't know how empires are built
Well.. it is Not Mark and Period.
The Red Mark is after 1840.
I fairly assume they know more about it than you and me
@@vacciniumaugustifolium1420 right? I don't think Sotheby's is looking here to learn a thing or two. Considering it sold for over 16 million Euros.
So my grandson made a bong out of this vase here.....
FYI: Majority of the treasures of the Forbidden Palace surviving today are displayed in Taiwan.
It was transferred to Taiwan under Gen. Chiang Kai Shek.
If that did not happen, Mao could have destroyed them all during the Cultural Revolution.
Yes, this piece could have been from the Summer Palace, or the Winter Palace that Britain burned in the 1860's.
This was the time Hong Kong and Vladivostok was ceded to Britain and Russia.
Daniel Blue, have you been to the Palace Museum in Taipei? Amazing collections!
Theft is theft. Shame on Sotheby for not asking where it came from.
Sorry but, I would pass right by it if I saw it in a thrift store.
Some people were just born lucky. Not me of course.
How did it end up in an attic? Who stole it? Why is this not a criminal cold case?
I'm guessing someone carried it and climbed up the stairs to the attic?
estimated 500,000 to 700,000 then you find out they just sold one for 20 million...lol.....
yeah, how did it end up in a french attic ? Probably was looted from the Imperial Palace when the colonists sacked Beijing in the 19th century.
"Deer" in Chinese is a homophone of "Lu" (禄) which means wealth. 2020 is another Year of the Gengzi. Cry, my beloved country.
I wonder what my Chinese pottery is worth 😊
Verynice！
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This was probably stolen during the looting of the Old Summer Palace in 1860.
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This vase was stolen by the french army...during the opium war invasion..it should have return back to china museum.
@Seán White Lol, communists are Chinese. Give South Korea back to the North Koreans. By your logic, give America back to the natives. Oh wait, thats actually logical because the natives were there first, and have no genetic relation to White Anglophones...
If you found this in your attic and found out it would sell for over 16 million Euros would you give it back?
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i have a diamond encrusted dyld0 from the cvnt dynasty. could you guys help me sell it?
Wow😍
Probably came from the sacking of the Summer Palace by way of one the "brave" frog soldiers who smashed the porcelain they couldn't carry off.
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yep, those brave soldiers saved it from mao and the 'cultural revolution', if they weren't stolen they would no longer exist.
There is no excuse for senseless destruction or pillage no matter who commits it. They threw eggshell porcelain vases off stair cases just to watch them shatter. Whatever they couldn't carry was destroyed. All because the Chinese didn't want to buy opium and shoddy merchandise from them. And so thousands of years of art and civilization were destroyed. It can be argued that if China was not carved up by the powers and left to develop on it's own as it was doing Mao would have never come to power or for that matter even existed. So how does robbing a palace and bullying a people into submission save a people's art and heritage.
Well if it still in france , we still can call it lost . It doesn't belong to the french , it needs to go to China
I do want it
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