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- What went wrong with the terminator movies? This is what i talk about in this video. How could a once so beloved and genuinely great franchise turn into something that's barely relevant anymore? What exactly went wrong and what caused the downfall of the terminator franchise?
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Terminator 2 is a film that will NEVER be topped no matter how many films based the series they make. They need to focus new original stories with different characters. No more Arnold or Linda. I love them to death, but they're too old. Until the filmmakers move away from T2 and tell new stories the series will stay stagnant.
Terminator zero on netflix
Terminator:Salvation was supposed to be Marcus’ story, not John’s. Christian Bale fought to have his role expanded and used his star power to get what he wanted.
And one thing I thought it was REALLY building too was Marcus taking over as the new john conner, like dread pirate Robert's. Except with him being a cyborg would explain why he'd be the icon he was supposed to be.
But hiring Christian Bale by spending millions of dollars and then not casting him as the main character or not giving him enough screen time is a already questionable
@@Critical__Metalhead Salvation wasnt written as part of the Terminator universe. It was shoe horned into being a Terminator movie. Thats why it doesnt really fit as neatly as the rest of the movies.
One thing that Christian Bale has consistently demonstrated in his career is his complete willingness to subsume his own ego and personality to fit into a role and further the story he is telling. That is probably what he is most famous for. So I struggle to believe you when there is simply no evidence that Bale uses his 'star power' for anything in his life. In fact he is known for doing the opposite.
I would however completely believe that the studio execs built the role up to get 'their moneys worth' - the clumsiness of the final film has studio exec interference plastered all over it.
A Terminator project wanting to get rid of John Connor and focus on someone else? Sounds familiar.
What went wrong is they didn't end the series at T2
I came here to say the very same.
T2 was a good movie, but it didn't need to be made. T1 was perfect as it was.
Exactly - as with Disney and the Star Wars franchise, they ripped the arse out of it trying t squeeze every last penny. Poor writers with no imagination will be the death of many great movie franchises
That and forced _WoKe_ garbage.
This is the way.
The old TV series with Lena Headey as Sarah Connor was good. They could probably learn something from it
Agreed , best thing in franchise after first two movies.
Yeah, Idk how he completely failed to mention Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles after talking about how they could've made a series on a network....smh
That series was great and well received, but was placed in a bad time slot and was competing with way too many other series at the time...
It's an absolute war crime that that show got cancelled.
Hot take: The Terminator didn't need any sequels. It was a perfectly self contained story, and as much as T2 was a well made spectacle, it started going off the rails from there.
Agreed. The story was never designed to be a 'franchise' (to be fair, most of the movie franchises suffer from diminishing returns from successive movies).
What people wanted at least is extending the story of how they got into skynet to send those two back in time.
But in a way the Terminator Resistance game makes up for it.
yes t1 is a self contained story on its own, and t2 is a great expansion to that, and the main difference between t2 and the sequels is that t2 expands on the first story it doesnt really move it forwards the cycle is contained but t3 breaks the cycle and instead changes everything, really "if judgement day is inevitable then why the f did you watch the first 2 movies for?"
The Anime Terminator Zero was damned good! And it pretty much does everything you said where the franchise should go!
What went wrong is not making , “ ROBOCOP v.s. TERMINATORs. damn it !!!!
You onto something 😂
There was an episodic take on Terminator with the Sarah Connor chronicles and that got cancelled. It was pretty good and much better than the movies post T2
Agreed! It was a great show and ended too quickly.
TL; DW: they basically kept trying to remake T2 over and over again and refused to give us a future war film.
It is always the same with Hollywood, they believe that opening certain movie series to a younger age Gap will bring profit. However, this results in alienating your original fan base, while taking too big, a risk to generate new fans. (Example: alien and predator movies are individually rated adults only, putting those two Titans of terror into a movie aimed at young teens is the perfect example of a broken strategy)
Yup Star Wars comes to mind
Terminator franchise: TERMINATED.
how did they do it by pushing the tech literally to the limit back then✊
and now days the writing is so weak in comparison these days which is how they murdered the terminator franchise
@@raven4k998 Yeah, and here's also the greed trying to exploit the same old formulas that worked back then over and over again, the end was annuanced beforehand.
Why?
What you are describing sounds like what the Netflix Terminator Anime show did. It tells a new story with a new cast of characters trying to survive a T 800 that was sent. The show return to asking questions about fate and technology but also asked if humanity shouls even be saved at all. It expanded on the lore of the Terminator universe by property explaining time travel and other solutions to their problem.
The the show is really good but I could understand that anime isn't for everyone but its worth watching at least once.
What went wrong? Cash grab after success of T2.
It really feels like Hollywood and it's Directors don't know the difference between Lore & Story.
I get it! We don't want the same plot to be told sequel after sequel, But that's why you change the story, not the Lore. The Lore is basically the Orgin of how things started in the first place.
Michael Bay's Transformers went downhill after TF 2007, much like Terminator. It's sequels keep changing the lore.
The only way to bring this franchise back is to make a movie WITHOUT Arnold. He's iconic af in that role but everytime he's in a new Terminator movie the entire script needs to work around him and explain why there is a old Terminator present.
Big budget plus Not Woke might take a generation
@@JaspRemains-v7c The whole series was about a Final Girl. It was always woke, lol!
I will be bashed, but here's my top:
1 Terminator
2 Terminator Salvation (yes, i love this movie very much, it was different, and i would pay to see the whole trilogy they could come up with.)
3 Terminator 2 ( i love it as much as Salvation, but the fact Cameron just remade 1st movie basically, made me put it here, don't get me wrong, i love T2 from the bottom of my heart, but Salvation took special place.)
4 Terminator 3 (it wasn't that bad for me, i loved John Connor by Nick Stahl, i saw him as a logic continuation of JC form T2, and loved T-X. It was also remake of T2 but with boosted action.)
The other ones are not considered as Terminator movies for me.
It was sold to the highest bidder, not the best creator. Damnit...
The stopped killer scary cyborg from the future theme. Started putting in jokes and weirdness in T3 and that's where it went downhill. Also, we never got a future war night scene for the whole movie
"il be back" is only 3 words bruh, most intimidating indeed.
I counted it as ”I will be back” because Im not sure that I’ll counts as just one word lol. you could be right tho english isn’t my first language after all
I always saw the Terminator 3 movie as an epilogue for the franchise, more than a full chapter.
Exactly 🙏
@@Mr.Films.Analysis .. Soo in all this.. Your just not going to mention 'T2: Battle Across Time,' Any of the videogames especially the arcade shooters.. Or the Sarah Connor Cronicles? +
Lesson learned: NEVER MESS WITH THE CANON. IF THE STORY LINE IS ORTHODOX, DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING, JUST BUILD IT FORWARD.
I thought they’d do better than Genysis, but Dark Fate, from what I can understand, is the disaster of them all.
By that point, there wasn’t really anywhere to go with the movie plot. But in terms of video games, Terminator Resistance was decent by going into the future war plot and following the continuity of T2. I recommend it as a game for those who haven’t tried it because it gets great as a first person experience for you as a resistance member battling and in many cases, trying to sneak around and escape from Terminators who can hear you and see you in the dark. A good survival horror element to it on top of being a commando like in Call of Duty
I hated that T3 basically retconned T2. Not in a way that it negnected any parts of the plot. But it retconned the very essence: No fate! You are the creator of your future. Except for eff it , the end is coming anyway. That sucked everything good out of it. Of course we wanted to see how skynet went online, we wanted to see the origin of the T-800 and the T-1 But actually, we wanted future war and a prequel much more. Terminator: Salvation tried and it was not even that bad and the closest to how one can possibly imagine a prequel to turn out, so my conclusion: It doesn´t even matter what fans want, because ultimately nothing can get close to the first two films whatsoever.
Actually, it was TERMINATOR: DARK FATE that retconned TERMINATOR 3.
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The central theme of the first two Terminator movies was that the future is not set. Our choices shape the future, which is the essence of Free Will.
Rise of the Machines betrayed that theme with a determinist philosophy that was in stark contrast to the more hopeful tone of its predecessors. It felt like a completely different story because that’s exactly what it was. It was a Terminator movie in name only.
The rest of the sequels are just glorified fan fiction and aren’t even worth watching, let alone analyzing.
Not dead, the Netflix animated show was very good and James Cameron recently said he's working on something Terminator related he's not ready to talk about yet.
It's clear the writer of this missed the fact that there already was a Terminator series. They literally described The Sarah Connor Chronicles as something that hasn't been done and needs to be tried. However, maybe it's been long enough since that show aired that a reboot of it could work.
If anyone has watched the extended version of Terminator 2 Judgement Day, the scene with the older Sarah Connor in Washington DC and senator John Connor at the end of the movie, there was absolutely no need make any more sequels. It should have ended there.
What went wrong is they tried to be all fancy after T2. Should’ve just kept pushing the series into the future so we got the events where they made the T800 in real time. Or make a movie showing John Connor getting the T800 from T2 and the end scene is where they find out about the T1000 but it’s too late they already sent it back to T2 setting up the events of that movie. It’s honestly not complicated but Hollywood fucks everything up thinking they know best
Instead of aiming it at the people who love it they went to try appeal to a larger audience to make more money, in doing so they alienated the core audience, same thing with Star Wars, they ended up with something no one likes.
They ran out of good ideas and evidently were only looking to make cash grabs since the third one. Salvation was "made into" a Terminator movie and the two after that are a blatant cash grabs.
There is a deleted scene in T2 where we see US Senator John Connor playing with his daughter as Sarah looks on. That is the ending for me, no need for a third movie. Let it be.
There has been one good follow up to T2, and that was on TV. The Sarah Connor Chronicles was a legitimately good show that sadly never got much of a chance due to FOX not giving it much of a chance to get off the ground and putting it on Friday nights, aka a death slot. But it was a solid story, with Lena Headey being perfectly cast as Sarah, and Summer Glau, Garrett Dilahunt and Shirley Manson each being such fantastic terminators. Both seasons were solid before it was unfairly cancelled (though I guess if it weren't, Lena wouldn't have ended up on Game of Thrones).
Good video. Good content. Was surprised the Terminator anime wasn't mentioned.
Are you serious, i had no idea that was a thing😂 im gonna check it out
@Mr.Films.Analysis yeah it came out maybe 2 months ago or so
The anime is great, and basically exactly what you wanted!
There’s also the early 2000s series “The Sarah Conner Chronicles” that may be of interest
@@Mr.Films.AnalysisAlso there was the Sarah Conner Chronicles series, not that it helped the franchise.
While I agree they need a episodic type of franchise for terminator, they tried that with the sarah conor chronicles and while it was a good series and had potential for backstory, it was cut short it seems.
I don't understand the Terminator: Salvation hate. You can't top T1 and T2 but Salvation was a worthy entry in the series
It wasn't the future war many wanted.
It had so much potential, and in my opinion was the direction the series should have gone in.
But was let down by a dog's breakfast of a script
@@bodavidson2804 100%
Liked salvation, expected way worse. Just wish they had reworked it a bit, Anton Yelchin should have been the main character for example. Make it his story
@@c.f.pedraza4057 I wanted that war too! I'm with everyone 100% on that. I still think it was a step up from T3 and Genisys. I haven't seen the latest to know how it compares to that one but it sounds like it's in the bottom half of the series so I'm gonna say it's probably better than that one too lol... Maybe it's got to do with not really knowing what to expect since I was too busy playing WoW back then to watch trailers or any of that lol
With Terminator Genisys, I feel we missed a much better film about Pops raising Sarah.
Yeah but what we got cops too much of a bad rap. At this point, between the comics, movies and other media, this is literally how fractured and paradoxical the tineline is. Additionally, a nanite possession is the next plausible evolution on the T-X.
@@andrewrichards312
The main shortcoming of every post T2 film is that they are, first and foremost, commissioned studio products, instead of artistically driven labors of love.
@@SewerTapes My point is that the complaints about Genesys are unfair and tend to come from people who have only been exposed to the films. What people's issues with Gernesys tend to be, as emphasised by the criticisms in this film, are that Genesys effectively makes comics like Terminator: One Shot, canon. What people hate with Genesys, I like and respect, for the very reasons they hate it. It is what a temporal war should and would look like. Yes it plays out like godmodding in an RPG, but realistically that's what a temporal war would look like, where each time one side overwrites the past, the other side overwrites the overwrite. Heck, by my estimates, the first Terminator movie is at least the second time, and potentially the third, that history has already been overwritten. In fact it's likely that "John Connor" didn't originally have Kyle Reese as his or potentially even her father, and may not have even been called John - hence the air quotes. For that film to work, there's already been at least 1 bootstrap paradox that's been created. T2 doesn't even create the initial bootstrap paradox which creates Skynet (ie Cyberdyne recovering the remains of the first T-800), because this isn't even the first of those causal loops which created Skynet in that fashion. Yes, the timeline is a mess with T-800s taking out T-1000s with ease, using chemical weapons, but at this juncture, it should be a mess.
Also, with the evolutionary path the TX had arrived at, how many more iterations were we realistically going to be, from Skynet infiltrating the Resistance, by infecting Resistance members with nanomachines and turning them into self-aware, but zealous cyborgs/technorganics, as the current model of Terminator?
When things reached that point, why wouldn't that be the perfect way for Skynet to neutralise John Connor. To quote the Interrogator, during the Babylon 5 episode, Between the Darkness and the Light, while he was torturing John Sheridan: "Besides we don't want coperation. We want conversion. We want repentance[.]"
This is why I can't fault Genesys for the reasons that others slam it for; it's literally telling a different story than what people unrealistically wanted to see, but it's the one which takes things to their natural conclusions. Even if you got the story you wanted, about Pops raising a young Sarah, the story still would have been as convoluted as Genesys was, with the wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey shenanigans, and the same people Gensays, would also slam that film, and for the very same reasons.
@@andrewrichards312
Out of everything Genisys does, I appreciate the timeline fu-kery and John Connor conversion the best. I don't even mind Pops being able to create a time displacement device, which I've seen many gripes about. Doesn't bother me. I think its biggest issue is bland writing, some instances of poor direction, and not so great casting for Sarah and Kyle. I don't buy them as these characters. All in all, I've warmed up to it a bit over the years. The only sequel I hate is Salvation.
@@SewerTapes See this is the thing too. Emily Clarke is ok as Sarah Connor, but feels a bit off. I also agree that Kyle Reese feels off, but then Kyle Reese and Sarah Connor do swap places here, so I don't know if what I'm feeling with Kyle is bad casting, or perfect casting having the desired effect. However the biggest gripe I have with the criticisms of Genesys comes back to not being able to get to discussing things like this, because we're stuck defending the time fu-kery and the John Connor conversion from normies who have massive gaps in their lore. Usually I completely support an argument that films should be self-contained in terms of prior knowledge needed (sequels excluded on those grounds). However when you're dealing with a franchise about temporal warfare, I think there needs to be an exception 5 movies, and multiple alternative media stories in, in an "all your expectations are meaningless at this point" kind of way.
A terminator film about a terminator who due to an attack on Skynet and some kind of systems malfunction is accidentally sent through time to the past or present, except it was sent with no mission program, it's just stuck there aimlessly walking around in L.A. then things start to go wrong when its behavior gets the attention of people, police and eventually the military.. The films story could see it have encounters with Sarah Connor and Miles Dyson or some social outcast type of character who knows exactly what it is..
I'd buy a ticket for that.
What went wrong was not stopping at part 2, just leave perfection alone.
Good ideas dude ^^
I like most of the terminator movies, but as standalone films, because each one is it's own standalone timeline. There's also the fact that each of these films are created for new audiences, not faithful fans.
Guy who suggests there be a terminator series
Me Offering handshake: you must be new
It wasn't meant as a franchise. It was a great movie and a great sequel, and that was that. We didn't NEED any more.
Wait, there are sequels after T2: Judgement day??!??? Golly, can I not wait to continue the high quality and perfectly crafted adventures of James Cameron's Terminator series 😊
Terminator Zero says hi
T2-3D was where it officially ended. Wow what a show that was 😦
Once James Cameron sold the rights of the film (for a dollar no less but that is a whole story all together) and was absent for much of the sequels after T2, that is where the new right holders failed. The new rights holders of the Terminator franchise instead of trying to convince James to be on board they thought the name alone was enough for the sequels to be successful. It took way too long for James Cameron to be brought back into the fold and by the time they did, James was probably done with the franchise and more focused on other things. Also there is a rumor James was upset with the current rights holders for getting a hold of the rights to Terminator without his knowledge once it was made available again. Which is why with Dark Fate James was checked out and really didn't care anymore.
It doesn’t have to be dead-they just don’t want to make it. If you go back and watch the original, the scene in the police station with Dr. Silberman and Kyle Reese outlines the premise for a “Saving Private Ryan”-style Terminator war film:
-Dr. Silberman: "And this... computer... thinks it can win by killing the mother of its enemy. Killing him, in effect, before he’s even conceived. A sort of retroactive abortion? But why didn’t the computer just kill Connor then? Why this... elaborate scheme with the Terminator?"
-Kyle Reese: "It had no choice. Their defense grid was smashed. We’d won. Taking out Connor then would make no difference. Skynet had to wipe out his entire existence."
-Dr. Silberman: "Is that when you captured the lab complex and found that... what is it called... time-displacement equipment?"
-Kyle Reese: "That’s right. The Terminator had already gone through. Connor sent me to intercept it, and then they blew the whole place."
There’s your Terminator war movie right there-spelled out all the way back in 1984.
General Idea:
After discovering Skynet’s intricate plan to erase Sarah Connor from the past-a move that could rewrite humanity’s fate-the Resistance organizes a team of elite fighters. Their mission: breach Skynet’s heavily fortified stronghold to capture the critical Time Displacement Equipment (TDE) lab complex. Once secured, they send a fearless soldier back in time to ensure Sarah Connor’s survival and protect the future.
Premise:
Upon uncovering Skynet’s plot to kill Sarah Connor in the past, John Connor leads a team of Resistance Fighters on a dangerous mission. Their goal: infiltrate Skynet’s stronghold, seize the Time Displacement Equipment, and send a soldier back in time to save Sarah Connor.
Three-Act Structure:
Opening:
The Resistance hub, based in Atlanta, stages a daring raid on a Skynet server building to extract key data about Skynet’s next moves.
Inciting Incident:
At Resistance HQ in Los Angeles, hackers crack part of the damaged encrypted data and discover a single clue: 1984. When John sees the year, he immediately understands Skynet’s plan.
Plot Point One:
John and his team of Resistance fighters begin their mission: take control of a TDE lab complex and send a soldier back in time to save Sarah Connor.
Midpoint:
The team follows the clues to a T-101 assembly line warehouse (referencing details from Terminator 3). There, they uncover crucial information about the lab’s location but face a devastating moral decision. To destroy the facility, they sacrifice human hostages in the process.
Plot Point Two:
The team reaches the outskirts of the lab complex and prepares for a high-stakes assault.
Climax:
A massive battle erupts between man and machine. The Resistance team fights against overwhelming odds but ultimately captures the complex. In a pivotal moment, they send Kyle Reese back in time.
Ending:
As the complex burns, John watches the aftermath and says quietly, "Good luck, Dad."
Post-Credit Scene:
Kyle Reese arrives in 1984 Los Angeles, mirroring the iconic opening scene from The Terminator.
*And think about this, this movie could either be a prequel or a sequel. depending on how you want to watch it.
I tried to watch the final Terminator 5 or 6 times. I couldn't get through it.
What went wrong? The studio didn't include James Cameron.
The T-1000 is such a damn cool enemy. Robert did well.
While I dislike the new movies IT IS a multiverse, stuff happens.
It already started to slip with T2. While T2 is a good movie, it started to not take itself seriously and was geared towards a younger audience.
- Reuse of lines (I'll be back)
- Why did the new Terminator look exactly like the old one? Makes no sense for an infiltrator to have all units look alike. And they did not look alike in T1.
- Terminator behaved more like a human (facial expressions when J. Connor makes fun of him)
- Why did Arnold take the sun glasses? To look cool. In the original it was to conceal his damaged eye.
- Too many jokes.
- John Connor was not likable.
The problem of this Franchise is that is a Franchise... But a cool idea for a Terminator movie, is to be on the future, like the first one, and a real quiet nice soldier is terminator...
Guess the making of this video predates the creation of the anime side story, which was surprisingly good.
Sheer studio greed. They needed to keep that gravy train going, no matter that The Terminator as a concept does not lend itself to an endlessly evolving cinematic universe. It's not James Bond or Star Wars. It is tightly coupled to James Cameron, Linda Hamilton and Arnold S. Specifically, it is a vehicle for an 80s to early 90s Linda Hamilton and Arnold. No one cares if they drag a 70-something Arnold out of retirement to play a drapes peddler. That's not what we loved. Also, without James Cameron's direction, it feels like just another bloated Hollywood film with explosions and nothing else.
You can only tell so many "robot from the future" stories before the novelty wears off. That concept had enough gas in the tank for T2 to exploit it well. Now, we have endless Terminators going back in time endlessly. It's no longer a cool concept.
Terminator was never supposed to be a franchise anyway. The story was finished in T1. No sequel can even exist given everything set in T1 T2 completely retconed and betrayed the original it is incredibly flawed and very overrated. T3 is great. It corrects the errors of its predecessor and stays true to the original. The franchise should have ended there.
Things would have been different if they made the "Peaceful" ending canon in T2 where the war would have never happened and the world was a prosperous future. With T3 was underwhelming with its overly comedic moments and silliness ("Talk to the hand!"); it could have handled a darker outlook for the franchise better if it wanted to make a direct follow-up in T4 with the actual machine war in full affect. That the war was eventually inevitable, even though it wasn't exactly the same as it was in the previous timelines. The future war could have dealt with the "destined" actions of John Connor or truly making his own decisions without beholding to a previous set of events. I wish the T4 movie would have been his dilemma on having to live up to his "future" self and instead of repeating the cycle, making his own "fate" and ending the menace of Skynet as each of the past sequels are just treading the same old idea of going back in time to solve their problems. In that hypothetical 4th movie, John Connor would take a stand to end Skynet then and there so the past/future cycle would finally end. But then again, Hollywood cannot let any franchise die now and have to re-do/re-make/re-imagine any IP for all it's worth to maximize profits with diminished monetary returns and creative bankruptcy. But at least the first two films were great.
Sarah Connor Chronicles was great story and character building that was cut off before it had a chance to steer the ship to safety.
If any story is repeated 5 times the franchise will be dead. I dont know why they couldn't see that. Maybe the Schwarzenegger influence was too great. Others will know more about this than me.
Isn't "I'll be back" three words not four?
@diogenesborealis7852 Yeah, but that's not the quote. "I'll" is one word despite being a contraction.
It is so not. There is terminator:zero.
Tell me how you can make Good anime and you can't make decent movie?
Salvation is the third best terminator film
When the truck hit the bridge it says On the bridge
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9/11 Illuminati confirme 1:18
I always thought there should be 3 movies, the third set in the future war following the months up to when Kyle Reese was sent back to 1984 and the T-800 being reprogrammed and sent to 1991. That would have been perfect. Any other movies or media should have been spin-offs like the Terminator Zero anime.
After Terminator Salvation……They lost me!!!!!:/
*What went wrong:* (4) Failed Reboots. That and the story was concluded after T2.
TBH ,l really didn't mind the tv series . Not sure where it was supposed to fit in with the movies ,but it had some interesting scripts .
Terminator 3d (1996) at Universal Studios was the superior final chapter in the series.
Simple: bad writing. As always with exemplary creators (Cameron, Carpenter, Lucas, Spielberg, etc.), whenever "the big shots" swoop on in with their endless pocketbooks, fancy corporations, slick suits, and cheesy cellphones... you just KNOW it's all going to turn to junky jank. And do we REALLY need to discuss it anymore? Let's just list a few here, shall we? STAR WARS, LORD OF THE RINGS, TERMINATOR, HOOK, WILLOW, AVENGERS... and that's only six. Let us *not* even talk about "Madame Webb", or "Robe-inn Hooede" by 'The Director' or whatever it was. And no, we won't even mention Star Trek despite it being yet another great example.
I enjoyed all of them bar the most recent one. Killing John was a mistake.
We all saw ourselves in kid John Connor in T2, so the start of Dark Fate felt like it disrespected our youth in a very visceral manner. I refuse to treat Dark Fate as canon. Only the first two movies count in my book. The rest is cash-grab slop.
There were certainly ways they could have taken it. It's clear T3 was a soft reboot by disregarding "no fate but what we make". They just wanted to get back to the original scenario, kind of like JJ would do to Star Wars. There's got to be a Skynet, a Judgement Day, and time-travelling robots. A much better idea would have been following the original trajectory of technology. Before Skynet started meddling and sending machines back, before Cyberyne had a Terminator to study... humanity still developed Skynet. The robots were likely also based on human technology. Show a world where the time-travel threat has been eliminated, but humanity is still on its original path to destruction.
The alternative would be, as you say, to go back to the horror/slasher roots. Show someone else, anyone who isn't related to John Connor. There are countless stories that could be told, if you don't go for world-shaking scope all the time.
I would say The Terminator is a 10/10 film. T2 9,5/10. T3 6/10. Salvation 7/10. Genesys 4/10. Dark Fate 5/10. Sarah Connor Chronicles 8/10.
T1 10
T2 9
T3 7
Salvation: 5
Genesys: 4
Dark Fate: 2 I could not even finish it. Too bored.
Sarah Connor Chronicles: Never saw it
Damn, I laid it all out. I guess the truth might as well be radioactive. I spent almost two hours typing up a thorough explanation for _why_ every movie after T2 has failed, and it gets immediately deleted. Typical.
did you comment it here like under this video? i didnt even get a notification? i think youtube automatically deleted it for some reason
@@Mr.Films.Analysis Yes, I made a pretty clear cut case with regards to what happened after T2, and how the rights to the franchise changed hands numerous times.
Nothing went wrong we had 2 awesome terminator movies and they are still very watchable I can’t even tell what my favorite scene is the whole movie is a favorite
Genesys was actually great. At this point in time, especially if you factor in the other media, like the comics, the timeline was Swiss Cheese. As for John Connor's terminator as a nanite possession, it makes sense as the next evolution on the T-X. I think the problem with it is that normies who aren't as familiar with the expanded universe, don't understand just how fractured the timeline is at that point in time, if I may use that turn of phrase.
1:18 "I'll be back" is 3 words, not 4
T3 should have been a prequal to T1, with the events that ended up the 2nd t-800 being send back in time to stop the T-1000, ending with a black out, perhaps the director's cut showing the updated future?
When i saw these i just thought they were awesome syfi movies. Now with AI and nuclear power plants being dedicated to it, this just might become s reality in my lifetime. A very scary concept, but hopefully they still use Arnold as the model.
The Terminator '84 is still the best! They should never have made Arnie's T-800 a good guy! We need a new movie set in the war thorn future with 1984's future ascetic!
1- great 2- amazing 3. - decent 4.- ok 5- ridiculous. 6- somehow as bad as 5 with Hamilton coming back.
Unpopular opinion: Terminator Genysis actually was ok.
watch the anime terminator zero. one thing I like about it is the fact that guns are hard to get in japan. So the time travelers have to improvise weapons. It is 8 episodes and it is on netflix.
Every entry after the 2nd was absolute garbage. Including Salvation. The story was complete after T2. When I was a kid, I wanted to see the future war but even that film would have been just an add on since we know the eventual outcome. Without Cameron directly behind the camera, just forget about it.
They went past T-2, that's what happened!
It should have ended after T2!☹
It went woke, it went broke.
I like 3 and Salvation enough, but genesys and dark fate really shit on the franschise.
How was Genesys a bad film? Take a look at the expanded universe on top of the movies- the timeline was utterly Swiss Cheese by this point, with interventions on top of interventions, which is exactly what we saw in the movie. Also wouldn't a nanite possession be about the only place Skynet could go with evolving Terminators, after the T-X?
Do the predator next
Great idea! thank you! 🙏🏽❤️
I love the terminator trilogy
T1
T2
T2:3D
I actually liked Genesys very much.
Nothing is wrong just let the thing die.
Boy you are late to the game, Terminator Zero on Netflix brought an interesting new lite to the franchise, it was well received and renewed for a second season.
Hot take but the first THREE were great. (And the Sarah Connor show was good) After that is when it all imploded. I mean, killing John Connor and replacing Skynet with another generic evil machine?
T2 will always be the best. T3 was cheesy, but I'd be willing to accept it as part of the franchise. The one where they went woke and killed off John Connor and replaced with the Mexican girl completely killed the franchise.
I'll be back is THREE words bro. 😅😅
The series are respecfull of the lore.
Apparently, one of the game too, but I
Hollywood made a bunch of trash movies and a TV show after _Terminator 2,_ that's what went wrong.
Doesn't Terminator zero a success and reignited the franchise. The problem with the less successful is that they tend to recycle the old stuff over and over instead of going forward till the end of the war. Plus T2 fucked up in concluding a franchise by doing preemptive attack of the incoming future.
Sarah Connor chronicles should have gone on longer and then ended it it proved there could be terminators that are not Arnold it was true sequel to T2
Dead like Star Wars