Same lol. The other linguists just give their opinion on the hardest language, and I always write "it's Ithkuil 🤦" in their comment section. So I'm glad to see one linguist who knows about Ithkuil as well.
I would like to see what happens when people learn that language from childhood. It'd would be simplified so fast it'd take longer to document all the changes.
So you know language categories? German is Category 2, Japanese is Category 5, yada yada... I want to know just how long it would take for an English-speaker to learn Ithkuil. Probably 100's of years, right? Category 50 language 💀
@@viquezug3936 I guess... still a really weird point to make, since 1) if we have native speakers, they already know how to speak, so you don't need to document the changes for them to "count", 2) of course we can't document language change before it happens; we need to observe it first, and 3) comparing how long it takes for language to change (which is a passive process no one invests time into) and how long it takes for linguists to describe the changes (which is actual work and will happen at a vastly different pace depending on how many people spend time doing that) is kind of useless, as it doesn't grant any relevant insights.
Conlangs tend to evolve very fast after they get their first speakers, tbh. Esperanto went through many changes, toki pona's vocabulary has gained and lost a substantial part of its already small vocabulary (not even talking about number systems), stuff like that. The only one that I could believe hasn't changed by that amount is Lojban, because it's closer to "semantic programming" than language.
Holy shit it works. That sentence accurately put an image in my head that I would not be able to communicate as precisely or effectively. Perhaps it seems obvious; yes the sentence was condensed in the new language. But if you use psychedelics you might understand how amazing this is…. That has the capacity to convey things English cannot. That could be a bit barrier breaking, not to be dramatic. Will it catch on and change the world, probably not (basically definitely not), but still the concept is incredible. To my eyes, that language would have the capacity to change the way that we think in a serious way, not just “time is up to down, or left to right”. Yes, that stuff has profound implications on the way we think, but I think this would easily dwarf that… I can’t even begin to predict the effect it would have, if people were raised from birth in a culture that speaks this language. But the thought is fascinating. Useless to pontificate, though tempting
true one of my first experiences with psychedelics I realized that language is extremely squishy and subjective. You can't express subtleties without using all these weird workarounds, quirks, and creating dissonance. This is why I like poetry so much. It plays with the tools we have and often points out the absurdity of language. Often the most beautiful and descriptive poetry is vague and widely interpreted.
I think of it like this: As a language it is pretty useless in everyday situations. However, it gives you a framework to categorize what exactly you mean. I can also imagine it being used as an inbetween language in order to translate from one language to another while keeping all subtlety.
Out of interest im pretty sure the sentence was describing 'Nude Descending a Staircase, No. 2' by Marcel Duchamp how does that compare to the IMG in your head?
YES, YES THANK YOU. Finally someone who knows the ACTUAL hardest language instead of saying whatever natural language they think is the hardest. You are the best, awesome 💪
@@wilh3lmmusic if ithkuil had an e instead of a u in the name it would be toki Ikewi in toki pona so it's already somewhat close to sounding like toki ike
Apparently, this conlang is so complex, there are currently zero fluent speakers. Not even its own creator can articulate it. (edited for clarity, also plz stop copying that guys commebt in the replies, you filthy bots 😂)
So basically, you go through and grab phenoms with assigned meanings and string them together to make a word, making it near impossible to speak or understand without referring to the document.
There are a lot of natural languages that work like this. Most of them are completely extinct, but speakers of these languages existed so it's possible.
i went to the ithkuil discord server and the faq said "Can anyone speak it fluently? No. Is it possible to speak fluently? Dubious" so i think i'll just stick to toki pona
I think they would be hard because natural languages are ambiguous. Imagine being used to express everything in an anambiguous way, then having to learn a language in which unclear and not totally rigorous sentences are the norm.
@@moderatelycoolperson80I think it would be frustrating, although easy to learn. Understanding "the" instead of having separate words for fem/masc/neut was very easy for me, but having a consice sentence in one language be way longer in another, due to grammar rules, is annoying (as I imagine specifying context would be in this case)
even a translation of it has syntactic ambiguities-how does it distinguish between whether the representation of the woman, the woman herself, the staircase, the step-by-step series, or the three dimensional wake
in turkish you can do the same thing with a single word thanks to our stupid amount of suffixes heres the longest word: "muvaffakiyetsizleştiricileştiriveremeyebileceklerimizdenmişsinizcesine" and it means: "as though you are from those whom we may not be able to easily make into a maker of unsuccessful ones"
PIE? As in Proto-Indo-European. We don't know it fully as a species even, and not even sure if it existed, really, last i've checked. But most lost languages would fit even better. Apart from lost ones - Whistling - so damn different as a mode, that whistling languages might be the hardest phonetically. And if you want a very boring answer from a boring list of top N most popular languages, consult CIA handbook, for a broad categories of difficulty based on time to learn for an American TBH, I would like a better answer, which is the reason for this bait, even though it is a genuine answer to the best of my knowledge
It's crazy how short something can be in another, but it is longer in another language. Also, Ithuil seems to be very stressed and emphasized when it comes to speaking.
Okay now translate that last sentence into your bird dolphin creole
Better yet, ask him to write it
Nah, the pidgin!
Don't forget the 🦞
If english had ithkuil steroids, ur comment would be "Onowtrathalaseninurbirdolcreole"
He should call it bolphin
I seriously felt like my furniture was about to start levitating when you spoke that lol
😂
right
i choked on my food lmaoo 💀💀💀
Do you think an ithkuil girl and a toki pona boy can be in love asking for a friend
Rome and Juliet core 😔
pilin mi la, meli pi toki Ikuwi li lon ala tan ni: jan ala li sona pona e toki Ikuwi
@@falkland_pinguin atashi wa Toki pona wa wakarimasen
@@Aaa-vp6ug Cur linguā de ascendenti solis tērrā respondisti?
@@falkland_pinguin nani?
This made Mandarin Chinese feel like kindergarten
No, it does not have 120 useless radicals
the only thing i know about mandarins are Vespid Mandarina and Mandarin Oranges.
one is sweet the other is not.
It makes Russian’s cases seem like the Basics…
Chinese isn’t *that* dense
@@spino-ace yep but its widely considered to be the hardest language.
I doubted until he said it was ithkuil
Same lol. The other linguists just give their opinion on the hardest language, and I always write "it's Ithkuil 🤦" in their comment section. So I'm glad to see one linguist who knows about Ithkuil as well.
@@amazingfireboy1848this guy makes conlangs ofc he knows ithkuil
@@amazingfireboy1848 Ithkuil is a constructed language. Possibly they were considering only natural languages.
@@Syämmen If so, they should've made that clear.
@@amazingfireboy1848 Fair
That final translation sounded like a Stable Diffusion prompt.
thought the same thing
It’s a description of the Marcel Duchamp painting Nude Descending a Staircase.
Finally lol. Thought the same thing.
I would like to see what happens when people learn that language from childhood.
It'd would be simplified so fast it'd take longer to document all the changes.
So you know language categories? German is Category 2, Japanese is Category 5, yada yada... I want to know just how long it would take for an English-speaker to learn Ithkuil. Probably 100's of years, right? Category 50 language 💀
It would take longer... than what?
@@falkland_pinguinLonger than the simplification
@@viquezug3936 I guess... still a really weird point to make, since
1) if we have native speakers, they already know how to speak, so you don't need to document the changes for them to "count",
2) of course we can't document language change before it happens; we need to observe it first, and
3) comparing how long it takes for language to change (which is a passive process no one invests time into) and how long it takes for linguists to describe the changes (which is actual work and will happen at a vastly different pace depending on how many people spend time doing that) is kind of useless, as it doesn't grant any relevant insights.
Conlangs tend to evolve very fast after they get their first speakers, tbh. Esperanto went through many changes, toki pona's vocabulary has gained and lost a substantial part of its already small vocabulary (not even talking about number systems), stuff like that. The only one that I could believe hasn't changed by that amount is Lojban, because it's closer to "semantic programming" than language.
Oh hey, that's my favorite painting! Nude Descending a Staircase No. 2 by Marcel DuChamp
Lol I thought that was gonna be the first comment 💀
Not the best pick
@@alivesliceI mean it’s a pretty good painting imo
Dude... I'm a month late and commented the exact same thing lol it's a perfect description??
@@aliveslice Taste is subjective. I spent 4 years working on an art degree, and this is what my brain is drawn to. We don't pick our favorites 🤷♀️
The person who invented the language should raise a child with only speaking and writing in it. Theoretically.
That’s classed as Unlawful Evil.
@@Aaa-vp6ug*THEORETICALLY.*
Like how the native accent of this language is just how Zizek talks
Holy shit it works. That sentence accurately put an image in my head that I would not be able to communicate as precisely or effectively.
Perhaps it seems obvious; yes the sentence was condensed in the new language. But if you use psychedelics you might understand how amazing this is…. That has the capacity to convey things English cannot. That could be a bit barrier breaking, not to be dramatic.
Will it catch on and change the world, probably not (basically definitely not), but still the concept is incredible. To my eyes, that language would have the capacity to change the way that we think in a serious way, not just “time is up to down, or left to right”. Yes, that stuff has profound implications on the way we think, but I think this would easily dwarf that… I can’t even begin to predict the effect it would have, if people were raised from birth in a culture that speaks this language. But the thought is fascinating. Useless to pontificate, though tempting
"The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis"
true one of my first experiences with psychedelics I realized that language is extremely squishy and subjective. You can't express subtleties without using all these weird workarounds, quirks, and creating dissonance. This is why I like poetry so much. It plays with the tools we have and often points out the absurdity of language. Often the most beautiful and descriptive poetry is vague and widely interpreted.
There's a movie about this concept, "Arrival" directed by Denis Villeneuve
I think of it like this: As a language it is pretty useless in everyday situations. However, it gives you a framework to categorize what exactly you mean. I can also imagine it being used as an inbetween language in order to translate from one language to another while keeping all subtlety.
Out of interest im pretty sure the sentence was describing 'Nude Descending a Staircase, No. 2' by Marcel Duchamp how does that compare to the IMG in your head?
WinRar™ ahh language
YES, YES THANK YOU. Finally someone who knows the ACTUAL hardest language instead of saying whatever natural language they think is the hardest. You are the best, awesome 💪
That sentence is incredibly hot
I use ithkuil to name final bosses in DND
This sounds like a language an alien would speak, both in the advanced concepts condensed into one word and the vague babylonian-sounding sounds
when you doin kay(f)bop(t)
Someone needs to write both the longest and shortest novel ever in this language
that beat was fire
I feel like the more complicated language gets the more it'll sound like cave man language
And here I thought Klingon was challenging 🤣
I feel like this language contains a ludicrous amount of redundancy.
English works fine if your high enough
That sentence made me Courp
That’s fucking epic.
Leave this language out in the wild, and it's gonna become that much more analytic in no time.
I feel like the sentence in the actual language was the intro to the hardest LP in the history of music.
It sounds like the language they use in Yes Your Grace
i wish i could speak that language i hate saying or writing long sentences
This makes Thai and Mandarin jealous
WOA I WANT TO LEARN IT❤
I need the stuff John Quijada was on whole making this language
Theres no way 😂 this language is ahead of itself
As a fluent speaker of Ithkuil, I don't exist.
Sounded like a rap too
So we have toki poka, the easiest language. Ithkuil, the hardest one. Now we need the most middle language. One in-between both of those
bro created the optimal stable diffusion prompt language
this is what zip compression feels like
*him saying 8 sentences*
Translation: all of Shakespeare’s works, from beginning to end, with more detail than the original texts.
If C++ was a human languge
PLEASE address Toki Pona (Sonja Lang) as the simplest conlang
the rock is on steroids.
Im all for linguistic experiments, but this is why people throw rocks at us, ya know that right?
Bro made a language for describing psychedelic experience
I can assure you it does not have 82 different sounds. Just 9 different sounds with 9 different combinations of those sounds
Duolingo's Dream
We just found mega hungarian.
DUDE WAS NOT AMESURE WHAT THE HELL
if you're fluent in ithkuil, no you're not
Ithkuil
Just draw a picture dude, it speaks a millions words.
"This is the hardest language" meanwhile c++
Ok, now translate that into a sentence that actually makes some semblance of sense.
Guys I think I know his new hobby…
That's a lotta words
I want to learn.
AI is going to go wild with this
basically just newspeak. if you know you know
If Pablo Picasso became a linguist instead of an artist:
But I can say that the hardest language for author - is a language of film editing.
Why is no one talking about the base 100 system. Imagine having to know all those numbers
fuck it im gonna teach my kid this language
I thought he said hottest lmao
Imagine speedrunning with this
Sounds like Slavoj Zizek 😂
So it saves time, but what exactly is it conveying that the natural language couldn't?
Some one once said responding to the question “whats your love language?” And they responded “c++” would you say c++ is harder than this?
This should be the language for image generative ai prompts
.....😮
Cheun be like:
we found the opposite of toki pona everybody
toki ike
anop ikot
@@wilh3lmmusic if ithkuil had an e instead of a u in the name it would be toki Ikewi in toki pona so it's already somewhat close to sounding like toki ike
lon mute
Tokithkuilona
After spending 40 years working on such a conlang, the only kind of nude woman they could get was an imaginary representation
☠️
💀
lmfaoooo 💀💀💀💀💀
And it was WORTH IT
💀
Apparently, this conlang is so complex, there are currently zero fluent speakers. Not even its own creator can articulate it.
(edited for clarity, also plz stop copying that guys commebt in the replies, you filthy bots 😂)
Can't wait for the Duolingo course ( don't copy this commebt)
Can't wait for the Duolingo course ( don't copy this commebt)
Can’t wait for the Duolingo course
( don’t copy this commebt)
Can't wait for the Duolingo course ( don't copy this commebt)
Can’t wait for the Duolingo course ( don’t copy this commebt )
So basically, you go through and grab phenoms with assigned meanings and string them together to make a word, making it near impossible to speak or understand without referring to the document.
There are a lot of natural languages that work like this. Most of them are completely extinct, but speakers of these languages existed so it's possible.
Unless you memorize the document.
@@theomniscientoverlord5443 🙇♂️
@@theomniscientoverlord5443that's just referring to the document in your head, not being fluent
You'd probably have to be born and raised by the people that talk that language and only that language to become fluent...
That's a real way to say
"Oh, she fine."
And she only exists in my dreams ;)
i went to the ithkuil discord server and the faq said "Can anyone speak it fluently? No. Is it possible to speak fluently? Dubious" so i think i'll just stick to toki pona
Since there are no fluent speakers, I think a parent should volunteer to teach this to their kid. I would, but I get no maidens
My goal in life is to learn that language
You will never succeed prove me wrong tho
R.I.P 💀
Don't waste your time, there are plenty of languages out there
You already know English, you’re set language wise.
Sounds fun. I kinda wanna learn it too. Be fun to include it in a movie or game.
Did you just insinuate that Dwayne Johnson is not on steroids?
He insinuated that Dwayne Johnson is literally a type of steroid.
@@GlacialScionHe said, basically, "Imagine Johnson on steroids *as* a steroid." [for Esperanto]
Because he is
What if your native language was ithkuil then would every other language be as hard
I think they would be hard because natural languages are ambiguous. Imagine being used to express everything in an anambiguous way, then having to learn a language in which unclear and not totally rigorous sentences are the norm.
@@moderatelycoolperson80I think it would be frustrating, although easy to learn. Understanding "the" instead of having separate words for fem/masc/neut was very easy for me, but having a consice sentence in one language be way longer in another, due to grammar rules, is annoying (as I imagine specifying context would be in this case)
Imagine to think for 30 minutes just to say hi...
This language:
It's just "Attál", not that harmful.
I imagine you can now multicast if you learn this language
When are you making a bee language comprised of movement and odor????
even a translation of it has syntactic ambiguities-how does it distinguish between whether the representation of the woman, the woman herself, the staircase, the step-by-step series, or the three dimensional wake
What? Did your last sentence get cut off before you finished it?
Easy, you don't translate it 💀
Easy. It doesnt, and you just need to act like not being clear with yıur words and only speaking in vague tangents make you smart.
you’ve seen the pictures from like 100 years ago, you know what it’s talking about
Still easier than Finnish grammatical cases😅
So a language to describe acid visuals, gotchya
“i like your funny words, magic man”
"Do you know what kind of train this is....well do ya?" 😅😂
What the fuck did i just hear lol
in turkish you can do the same thing with a single word thanks to our stupid amount of suffixes
heres the longest word: "muvaffakiyetsizleştiricileştiriveremeyebileceklerimizdenmişsinizcesine"
and it means:
"as though you are from those whom we may not be able to easily make into a maker of unsuccessful ones"
Calling him an amateur after he created this feels wrong.
What about the hardest natural (not constructed) language? This one feels a bit like cheating
Pretty sure its Nepalese
There is no objective “hardest natural language” and that depends on what your native language is and then even that depends quite a bit
PIE? As in Proto-Indo-European. We don't know it fully as a species even, and not even sure if it existed, really, last i've checked. But most lost languages would fit even better.
Apart from lost ones -
Whistling - so damn different as a mode, that whistling languages might be the hardest phonetically.
And if you want a very boring answer from a boring list of top N most popular languages, consult CIA handbook, for a broad categories of difficulty based on time to learn for an American
TBH, I would like a better answer, which is the reason for this bait, even though it is a genuine answer to the best of my knowledge
Me using that language for "U huh" and "Nuh uh"
I remembered his dong "Diente Blanco" from 31 Minutos
I didn't know a puppet would be so smart
I disagree. Conlangers, Examplish is the hardest language I reckon
"Hey, Ln’eta? I finally learned Rlyehian!"
Wow, now we can recite nonsensical metaphorical poetry at ridiculous speeds. I'll have to memorize one so my friends can know how cultured I am.
Finally, a way for art students to quickly describe the alleged meaning behind their abstract minimalist artworks in order to receive funding
It's crazy how short something can be in another, but it is longer in another language. Also, Ithuil seems to be very stressed and emphasized when it comes to speaking.
“esperanto on dwayne the rock on steroids” im fucking dying rn