The biggest frustration is when I as a Lifeweaver/Lucio/Moira/etc. somehow manage to finally kill the enemy tank on point after an intense minute of 1v1ing, just to watch the enemy Mercy casually fly in front of me to revive him in like three seconds
In those 3 seconds she can easily be interrupted 💀 just boop or platform her. Your DPS should also shoot at her. (if she's out in the open ofc. If she's behind a wall or something, I agree it's frustrating) As a Mercy player I would actually like it if Resurrect were to be replaced with another ability. Give her burst healing on a cooldown maybe. Or a new, fun and interactive ability. Just not resurrect.
As someone who only played mercy when i was support in OW1, i agree, however i dont think discord orb is comparable to mercys damage boost, considering one affects a single enemy and is easily removed, while the other affects a teanmate who can now deal more damage to everyone. edit: i said this bc you can either avoid discord orb entirely or force de zen out by playing corners, but you cant do anything against damage boost except to kill the mercy, wich can be very difficult depending on how good they are. plus, zen has no mobility and mercy can fly.
Also, zen can deal damage himself on top of that, where as mercy either has to hold heal or dmg boost, she pulls her glock now and then, but zens out there constantly spamming chokes ontop of his discord and healing orb
Discord is worse tho. Yes the mercy pocketed person can do dmg to anyone. But you usually only hit 1 person with a bullet. So it is not relevant. The discorded target is always the tank. Breaking LOS to remove discord makes the tank give up space and that is way too much for a no cooldown spammable ability. And discord makes the target take extra dmg from ALL sources. So it has the effect of mercy dmg boosting 5 people if they focus on that target. Like the video said. We are comparing sh1t to sh1t
@janvandenhooren9397 No kidding, but it's still just as bad. You're comparing a sprained ankle to a broken leg. They both suck even if one is a bit better than the other
The problem I have with most Mercy haters is that they always seemed to think Mercy mains like how she is currently. Most Mercy players litterally just want her movement to be like OW1 and everything else can be reworked. Hell, Damage boost could be gone by tommorrow and Mercy mains will not care much.
Also they forget ehy metcys pocket playstyle is the dominsnt one right now. Thry chabged damage boost so you cant DB reactively and nerfed valkyrie inti the ground. Pocketing exists so you maximize ult economy eith your bad ult. You boost ally supports and pocketed dps' ult rate by healing less and increasing damage
@theplaguedoctor6271 as an ana main that hates mercy's GA, i gotta say skill issue(just hit your shots). i hate it, but it's not that bad a mechanic, just some tweaks to the teq to make it, ya know, skill-based instead of ctrl(or space if you're feeling a little spicy) AND REMOVE DB AND ZEN ORB FOR F SAKE. She definitely needs a rework and tweaks for more skill expression, and to make her feel less infuriating to play against. instead of turning your brain off with her GA. Edit: (idk if they did this but her healing boost on low HP targets is insanely powerful, i don't know if they've removed it, because i just anti any chance i get, or target mercy whenever possible, but that thing just makes me wanna sleep and use the Tea Emote on mercy the entire game. Probably just me being bad at the game, though)
@@UltriVhalis Ana main hating ga? How is the most privileged permanent meta support like ana even gettong to complain about anything mercy. Nade has 8 seconds of CD and is more impactful than emrcys entire ultimate
There is a big difference between mercy mains and otps tho. I recently became a mercy main because i fell in love with how satisfying her gameplay and movement feel, however i used to be a tracer/widow/ana main so i have the mechanics required for other characters yet i still get put in the "braindead mercy player" category and i think it's unfair. I think there is nothing wrong with having easy and hard characters in the game and you shouldn't be shamed for liking an easy character nor does it define how skillful of a player you are, and also just because a character is easy doesn't mean it should be useless? At the end of the day we all just wanna play a character we enjoy and that character is mercy for a lot of people. Now i can understand that she can be unfun to play against but so are a lot of characters (sombra, ball, hanzo, widow...) Now i'll admit i understand that damage boost is not the healthiest thing for the game but i don't even care that much about it like if it got changed tomorrow id be like ok, what i truly like about her is how different she feels from other characters and her movement is just so fun to use. MUCH LOVE THO💗
@@helheimpanda I don't see that much skill in getting right clicked by a Sombra and not being able to use any of my kit afterwards, especially when it has such a low cd, but either way that is not my point at all. An annoying character is an annoying character, some are easier than others and that's just how it is. The argument of "mercy requires no skill" just doesn't go anywhere because that's how the game wanted it, if you don't like the variety of skill required for different characters then go play cs go
@@sophia5506 sombra might be an annoying character, but rly, 1 sec of a hack ain't even that big of deal. I can stay permanently hackes as Cree and do 90% of what I would normally do. Mercy on the other hand is annoyance by herself + she amplifies someone who might be even more annoying + gl killing her in her ult if you are say name_closerange_character The only reason I prefer playing against mercy than other annoying characters is that in case you have sombra/widow/ball etc it's around 50/50 (rank around gm). You either get a dummy who tries new characters in comp or an absolute menace who will roll you. In mercy case it's 80/20ish with 80 being a fella who think that if they are pocketing around the corner they can get their hand off the keyboard. I legit met too many mercy's who straight up standing completely still while pocketing
@@invarkul7831bc Cree is the anti-flanker, so it doesn't matter if sombra hacks him bc she's objectively putting herself in much danger by 1v1ing him. But for chars like Ball, Doom, Rein, Genji, being hacked is a pain in the ass bc you essentially become a big potato with legs.
Agree with most points except most GM Mercys not deserving their rank. Mercy is the hardest support to climb with period because she is more reliant on her team than other supports. She can't make crazy offensive plays on her own she needs her team.
I mean... maybe but it's not for mercy being hard, it's cause for everyone being better! In gm, it's just more worth to pocket some one and u still being more useful the The most supports
@@its_lucky252Im sorry, I’m willing to agree that mercy isn’t great right now and needs to be reworked and all but there a huge difference between a gm and plat mercy if you look at her plays for more than 20sec
as a mercy player, i absolutely hate Valk, not because i wish we had mass ress, but because its actually just spectator mode the ability and i despise it
@@Ghostofcalmaity or catch an attitude bc you're standing right behind her 1 health. God forbid I ask for one of the many privileges that support gets a monopoly over...
mercy has the closest gameplay loop of medic from TF2, which is why I personally love playing her, since I love playing medic, though the same essence of core gameplay balance is lacking, which is why i branch out to every other support and enjoy them too
@@RoninFT9 Mercy’s ULT is *not* that powerful: ▶Self-heals 15 hp/s ▶AOE heals 60 hp/s Compared to Zenyatta's ULT: ▶Zen becomes *invincible* ▶AOE heals *300 hp/s* But I never hear anyone complain about Zen's ULT being OP. 🙄
@@undrtakr900 her heal has unlimited (or so) range, she can damage boost a whole team and last 15 seconds zen's ult : is aoe yes, but only last 6 seconds, the range is limited and zen can only move during it. also anti heal hard counters it and makes zen no longer useful
@sachalec3548 anti heal hard counters literally every healing ult lol. Taking that out of the equation Zens ult is one of the most powerful ults in the game unless you're up against a dva bomb or junk tire.
@@undrtakr900 Mercy can fly to the skybox and still heal the full team, it feels like you're either trying to pop a transcendence or everyone has five Discorbs on them. Zenyatta has weak heals without his ult, he is a flex support. Zen discorbing ONE person and them dying, then making him wait 6 seconds before popping a new one isn't as good as "Now we'll do like 25% more damage to everyone and there ain't jack shit you can do about it." I agree that it's not the best support ult, but- Mercy: Heals a moderate amount to one target, basically ensuring consistent sustain. Applies an effect that makes it so every enemy in your line of sight may as well be discorded. If you DO manage to kill the enemy, which is literally impossible for a few characters, if she's being a little baby and hiding behind her team like normal she just rezzes them. Insane movement makes her nigh-impossible to keep track of, especially if you're playing against a good one. Does jack shit if you manage to ult down her entire team, very weak in general outside of teamfights. A parasite. Meanwhile, Zenyatta: Heals a small amount to one target, ensuring prolonged sustain, but not infinite sustain. Very frail himself, so difficult to keep heals on one highly mobile target out of line of fire or on flanks. Applies an effect where ONE enemy in your line of sight is discorded to everyone on the team. You may say that Damage Boost is worse since it's 5-1 instead of 1-5, but have you ever tried coordinating a dive with Zenyatta? There's like 3 characters who can do that. No movement abilities, meaning that killing him in a hectic fight is possible. If you DO manage to kill the enemy, not much happens. Zenyatta just applies an orb to someone else. Can actually hold his own once the rest of his team is gone, and has a chance to swing team fights with his very powerful, EXPENSIVE ultimate. If you insist on arguing the ultimate point, how about this? Mercy is basically a flying, highly-mobile mini-transcendence in Valkyrie. OR she's an even more annoying highly mobile Supercharger. She can rush you down and since she's so fast you can't do much due to her self-heal if you're widow, ana, ashe, Hanzo, etc. Zenyatta is a non-flying, semi-mobile full Trancendence that can't counter every ultimate and severely impacts your DPS output once used. It's a major commitment to activate, since it's basically saying that you don't believe anyone will pop a second ultimate in the near future. How to get: Valkyrie: Sit down and shoot yellow beams for a minute. Trance: Actually do something and make yourself semi-vulnerable in the best case situations. Yeah, nobody's gonna be complaining about Trancendence any time soon.
8:32 …. I tried very hard to get to gm on mercy.. and I tried hard to get to gm on kiriko. They were both hard to get to gm on, like every character. Idk what this misconception is that all mercy mains have it easy. You guys are thinking of the boosted mercy mains with their smurfing eboys. Climbing as mercy was much harder than kiriko.
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I feel like there’s a good group of us that do hear your complaints and have been trying to push for more positive changes. The developers I feel like are so out of touch and are too focused on bandaid changes and dodging her issues and they have been chipping at her skill expression in the wrong ways and just pushing her more and more and more into something no one wants. The being able to change your sensitivity on her gun was a good change for example, but taking away the skill to perform a superjump and use it correctly, was not. All of this new movement she got hindered her in both fun and skill. Mass Rez I don’t necessarily know or think was healthy or unhealthy, I didn’t play back then but her rework was so overpowered that it lead to some serious issues with the hero. A lot of Mercy players are so vocal because they *did* make her more and engaging and fun and everything they have done since has lead her to nerfing anything engaging and fun about the hero even if those nerfs are needed. Mercy mains are bitter, I’m bitter at this point. I like the sensitivity on her gun change because now I can *actually* practice my aim without compromising my movement and muscle memory. I can now have a way to practice on my favorite hero a skill that I can transfer to another, I can now defend myself, and get kills myself. My aim no longer needs to be as compromised. I think Valk needs a rework, I think Rez needs a rework (although there’s a big part of me that doesn’t want to lose it), I think they need a flat number for GA, they insist on super jump being a button press it should have a separate cool down, idk that’s what all I can think of right now
My story with mercy went like this - I got sadly bored and burned out with tf2 back in 2017 and since they copied the medic which helped me find my calling in online games which was healing people and humbling all flankers who dared to go after me - just changed his gender and took away fun ways to deal dmg it was no brainer. She was uncomparably easier and kinda boring cause of simplicity, didnt require as much skill too but the healing was satisfying plus the mobility and i was scared of being yelled at for playing poorly at aim based supports. So I mained her for first two years, played almost nothing but her. Funny thing is I dont know what exactly happened but maybe once I got a bit bored with her and frustrated Im so dependant on team to have a good match, that im this leech, that I cant do more than one thing at the time and I can do only three in total and a buncha other stuff so I tried other supports for more than usual. The freedom,the ablility to do dmg and take out that one enemy who is low but everyone ignores for some reason, no need to follow anyone etc. - at that point I went from loving mercy to feeling disgusted by her and anyone who plays her and feels all high and mighty because they got carried to highest ranks by the team and now act like some hot stuff. I will never play that hero again. And its funny how people who play her are so scared to acknowledge that she is simple and very easy and then try to add some vail of game sense and other voodoo. I got 200 hours on her and she really is the simplest character in the game. Dont try to act like playing her is hard. Im well aware its not. Im starting to sense something is very wrong with her existance but unhealthy is what it is for now since I cant really put my finger on it.
In tf 2 whose medic is based off of( well technically only her staff) medic has so many dangers. Every spy wants his head and can easily take his if he is competent of a spy. That's not the case with mercy especially the good ones(of course I'm taking in my bad aim into account. High level players might not have this problem)
Everyday Im disappointed that devs, content creators and others can't even speak about making changes that makes Mercy fun but impactful and fair. I just want to smoke my bowl and fly around and help. Damage boost could be replaced for all I care. I would say for a cleanse but that's already taken. GGs Gio. And I hope this vid doesn't get insta bombed negatively. 🤦
There is a surefire way to kill the pocket playstyle - give mercy an ultimate thats not consistently bottom 3 ultimates in the game. Half of the reason mercy pockets is she otherwise "cannibalizes ult charge" from other supports with better ults.
@@pasteldad39 I hate being asked to pocket. I always get flamed for moving around and helping. I’ll pocket someone that’s actually doing well but I’m not permanently staying. But no that’s “wrong”. Also I’m not sure what would be a good ult change without changing who the character is. I’d be interested in something tho
@@MindofMercyVids her current steroid would work of it was an actually engaging steroid. League does it where abilities enhance other abilities a single time. So you Valk then press GA once and you get something from this giga GA Or Valk then damage boost and get smth cool. Valk then press rez button. Illari does this actually where the flight is an accessory but the ult goves her forst use of primary fore the rasenshuriken.
bro didnt even argue the title he just bitched about "mercy mains" and tbh as a mercy main i be seeing wayyyy more mercy hate and even misogyny over it than actual toxic mercy mains
It's really nice to see someone put some priority on the idea of skill and value, I honestly wouldn't mind seeing mercy's value come from her movement. Idk maybe make it so when she glides past teammates they get healed or buffed so it encourages mercy to learn her movement (skill expression) and get some value out of it. That's just me tho (idk what to do with damage boost I'd just remove it)
@@WinterGoBrrr Babe Im currently a senior at an arts school LMAO my entire life is about being creative If you are so creative what is your viable replacement for damage boost? Ill be waiting. The only realistic change would be to NERF damage boost to like 15-20% and tack on something additional like a movement speed and reload speed buff too, but you can never outright remove it on Mercy or it breaks the hero fundamentally.
The one time I hit GM was while dmg boosing and echo while she deleted people. Took no effort compared to my climb from plat to masters on bapiste. I think she is good for accesibility reasons. Not everyone is experienced in shooters and she learns you how the game works. But that is her entire design. A spectator hero.
As a mercy main thanks for not just spending 90 percent of the video just saying you don't like fighting against her but rather actually providing brain cells to the issue. On that note yea I wish mercy would have a higher skill floor and the skill ceiling, whiel it is higher than people think, should be pushed up. If they kept her movement as a key part of her kit and made sure she isn't a healbot either by having some utility then I wouldn't mind a rework
@@InfernoZX5 ceiling is higher, floor is lower. Mercy and lucios skill floor is so low you can literally program functional bots that play at silver level or higher. Her ceiling is higher because she has low but consistent value that needs to be always optimized.
Another thing about damage boost thats unfair on top of the changing breakpoints is how quickly the pocketed dps gets ult,popular pockets like echo,pharah and ashe can get their ults every team fight it feels. It also makes counter picking more difficult if you dont have a mercy pocket because they can easily switch and not worry about losing ult charge.
A love playing Mercy, Ana and Kiriko, but recently I find Mercy much more boring to play. Still like flying around, but there is nothing more to learn. Now I'm trying to get the same skill with Ana as I have with Kiriko. And yet still, I don't know how to play Bap properly.
Thank you for saying this because oh my god I utterly despise mercy. I loathe her existence, her immortality that spreads like a plague to her teammates because she is way to strong for such a easy character.
Mercy has poor healing output so I don’t know about that one? Mercy is nowhere near the strongest support, but I agree that she should be changed for the better of Mercy players who want to play more skillfully and for people who are annoyed with her. I’m just saying a good Bap with immo field is better than a Mercy with rez lol. Not even accounting for characters like Kiri and Ana.
@@hallowedchromee310poor healing output? Is that a joke? Lmao. I can sit there holding down on mercy and completely negate winstons damage. That is NOT okay for something that requires 0 aim AND goes through all shields
@@JA-kr1lzyou used WINSTON as an example, who doesn't have high DPS output cuz you know ur wrong. Soldier, Ashe, widow, Hanzo, Cass, Symm, Torb, Pharah, Echo, Genji can all roll a pocket mercy. You can't just cry about smth and then used a dumb example to back it up cuz you know ur wrong
@@JA-kr1lz You just said a Winston issue not a Mercy issue. You do know that Ana, Kiriko, Baptiste, and even Lifeweaver can easily do that much healing and more right. Her beam is subpar because it focuses on single targets but it isn’t the worst. She’s just overall not that great and isn’t that unhealthy in my opinion? The only thing unhealthy about her is that the playstyle she has is not sustainable because it’s pretty boring beyond dodging bullets and doing rez techs maybe.
As a chronic mercy main, let me explain my situation: due to abuse in my past, I have irreversible and severe hand tremors, and these affect all of the games that I play, but shooters the most. I enjoy overwatch, but due to this, mercy is the only character that I can play and not suck ass with. I believe that mercy takes skill to play, and I've been able to climb the ranks with her, something that I could never do in any other shooter because of my condition. Mercy is not required on your team for you to win, like brig and sojourn used to be, and in this state, I think that she is fine where she is at, and she gives an outlet for players like me to actually enjoy a shooter that is tuned to us as well.
Nobody asked for your trauma dumping lil bro 💀💀 Trying to use your "disability" as an argument for why one of the most broken and no skill characters is perfectly fine is wild 💀
my biggest issue with Mercy is when I finally secure my hard earned pick and I proceed to have to play EA FC club as a goalkeeper on the soul in case Mercy GAs (to the dead person btw) and decides to undo all my work and rez them
Look, I absolutely despise Mercy and always have since OW 1 came out, but the hate for damage boost is kind of insane honestly. The numbers could be tuned down but everyone thinks its mere existence is broken when it’s a very basic support ability in most games. Mercy has 0 damage output without it and 2 players should always be stronger than 1. You should need to coordinate with at least 1 other person to kill someone pocketed by Mercy.
buddy no. damage boost is outrageous and doesn’t belong in the game. I just went against a damage boosted tracer and he ended an attack match with 15,000+ damage and 40 plus elims when his team didn’t even make up half of that. it literally shouldn’t happen. I wasn’t even the one dying to him but because he could eradicate my team at will I would get outnumbered and die or back out the fight to regroup. mercy should not be able to press one button and enable a slightly better person to wipe a team in a TEAM SHOOTER.
It's an okay-ish tempo ult but it barely provides anything new for the mercy to work with and for her team sooo it's just alright. Other support ults are DEFINITELY more impactful though.
If this is all you absorbed from the video then thats on you. Valk gives Mercy privileges she doesnt deserve. Omni directional movement. Infinite ammo which CAN cause her to have an advantage mid fight during a reload since not many heroes get infinite ammo with or without an ultimate. She gets extended range on her beam which will link to extra teammates which means 60hps basically within aoe while most AOE healing in the game which is problematic even at 11 to 15hps with Brig and Lucio (not even speaking on Moira and Bap, the latter requiring aim to maximize on the healing if your teammates dont stack on each other) Never you mind basically having AOE damage boost in valk in the same fashion. While being one of the MOST movement heavy characters in the game even if it does require a teammate. And thats before even considering Rez which is JUST as bad as an immortality mechanic. Sure bap and kiri can immo multiple players but Mercy can undo her teammates mistakes that lead to them getting killed, and behind a wall just like bap immo field AND the timer is extended in overtime. TLDR: what you mercy mains miss in the argument against your character is that you have plenty of privileges you dont deserve in exchange for playing an easier character who is less likely to pull off her own solo kills. You also get paid handsomely in value for not learning to aim and for the same level of game sense that all heroes require. The character is just spectator mode ultimate edition.
idk i just can't agree with this. Like mercy is not out here carrying games like say a bap can unless there really good and sometimes that doesnt even matter because sometimes she just cant be played in certain comps or maps. Shes not all around so i cant really say shes busted. damage boost and discord are dumb i admit that but i just like mercy movement.
the difference between bap and mercy is bap requires the same amount of game sense and on top of that a lot of mechanical skill if you really wanna squeeze the value out of him as he is just a dps in disguise of a support. Sincerely a bap main
bro... like mercy.... im gm5 mercy main and definitly easily gonna get gm1 with her but she requires way more map knowledge and movement skill then just game knowledge... though she does need a bit of that to
That’s true but think about how many other characters have to do that while taking into map geometry actually doing something and their positioning. Any way you chalk it up she’s braindead easy.
Usually I agree with you. But i dont think mercy is that big of a deal as everyone makes her out to be, i have played her in masters and it wasn't pretty 20 deaths a good team will target you a bad one wont shes easy deal with
20 deaths sounds like you're just bad lol. you saying mercy isn't a big deal is just ridiculous. she is as big of a deal as everyone makes her out to be. i don't want to write an essay to i'll try to summarize. her res is the most frustrating feeling in the game. it feels worse than getting logged in the head by hanzo. being discorded as tank, etc. i get that you rarely play other characters, so you never experienced the frustration because you are the cause of it. but we can all agree this ability is horrible for the gakr
@@its_lucky252 if you’re good at the game you’ll camp and bait the res when you can. Every ability is annoying and there’s always a way to prevent it from getting value. If her res feels so bad deny it. I play kiriko along with mercy, same rank, and always know when a mercy will res. If I’m not able to deny it too bad. It doesn’t even feel bad, if you’re good at the game she won’t be getting a res off that’s as impactful as you claim. If your widow got a pick before the fight and mercy res who tf cares bro now you actually have to fight the team fight 💀 fucking players man cry a river
mercy damage boost beam needs to be a deployable like soldier's heal or illari pylon. only damage in one area, and then her heal beam stays while her alt fire changed to some sort of skill shot. That way her healing and damage boost remain easy to do but dmg boost not as oppressive while giving her something skillful to shoot. This would remove her pistol tho, or keep it i dont know how much of a difference that would make
Well she does get a ton o value for being an easy hero to play, but also if you don't get your aim and movement level to at least decent you're also so very easily killable, like anyone can jump you and immediately kill you and then poof there goes your value. Almost every time I play against a Mercy I'll target her first and then the rest of the fight is usually easy. Now if you're playing against a really skilled mercy they will know how to get out of danger when jumped and will have a good enough aim to defend themselves on 1v1s. So in the end just complaining about Mercy like this feels like a skill issue really.
i dont know what "mercy mains" are you refering to, but a mercy main knows when someone isnt doing their job, and simply flies away. And you shouldnt dissmiss Mercys flight by saying "Well kiriko has to teleport so its the same thing" when you see a mercy flight, a good mercy, its like trying to grab a mosquito. Mercy needs a lot of skill to ensure her survavility, most of the time without even attack, unlike kiriko who has insane dmg
Yall complaining about mercy like shes a real person who committed some horrible crime. Calm down its just a video game bruh. Dont hate the character. Hate the people who designed her.
4:45 this statement could hold up better if you addressed _why_ they say mercy mains have a lot of gamesense. Her extreme mobility to be anywhere somewhat near her teammates at any time plus the fact she does not need to look at her teammates to boost/heal them means that a good mercy is constantly flying around and looking everywhere, making as many observations and call outs as she can. Such is the life of a zoomy spectator hero. 8:53 also, is that smaller point about content creators _really_ a fair statement to make? So, any content creator who says Mercy isn't easy haven't thought about the issue and come to a reasonable conclusion, but instead they are actually lying because trust me bro the Mercy mains are out there. I mean, it seems like a blanket statement to me. idk, this feels like one of the least. . . logical videos you've made?
When I wanna play support but I'm too lazy to actually think of what I do. I play Mercy. I can literally turn my brain off, stick the stick up my teammates bum and just press shift, space or control. I genuinely can't think of a character that's is this braindead. She's a wonderful character in game lore, but she's so boring to play. I am a spectator of the match just by playing Mercy, and I can only do "more" by calling out a Widow on the balcony of Havana. Which everyone with eyes and a brain can see and be aware of how dangerous that is. I play Ana and Moira most of the time cause I legit get challenged when I play them. And even if Moira is a "right click, get a kill" character. At least I have to do something besides carry someone's bum with heals and damage boost. I take part in the game's out come. Playing Mercy is just letting people do their thing even if it means me falling asleep during the game. I also play Lifeweaver and arguably you can do the same with him. But at least you change the perspective of how do you play the game and get to play once you have tree or when your team is full health. You don't get to do that as Mercy, you just follow the DPS or Tank.
I fkn hate when they removed her old tech and gave everyone ezmode superjump. Before u could tell a bad mercy from good one based on the tech. Now everyone can do it and its braindead. Ppl like her because of the freedom of movement and cool looking plays, kinda like quake 3 rocketjumping. You can replace all her abilities and keep that and ppl would still be happy. As for her fandom being vocal or angry you gotta remember that mercy is the most trashtalked pick by ALL THE OTHER fandoms. I cant count how many times i get flamed for picking her. Especially now when healing is useless. So i'd say this is why ppl go apeshit when they change her.
Honestly, the most unhealthy support character is Moira. She doesn't require aiming, she doesn't require parental love, she doesn't require almost anything, she's simply a beginner character to start playing. Then a veteran player arrives and takes this character that in the hand of a beginner is balanced, but when the veteran takes it he does as many kills as the dps, heals a lot and does not die since Moira has A LOT of survival skills. She was my first main as a support and was a great crutch to help me play, but honestly... I hate playing against her, she kills me in an unfair way because she doesn't need any aiming skill or anything, you die because you have no option.
@@gengar2272 as you shoot her she sucks out your soul. She easily restores your health with a healing orb while sucking you down. For me this is unfair. It's not a fair battle. No wonder Moira is the best character for the showdown. I never lost with her that way.
Plastic 4 opinion, Moira does not have the best survivability. Her healing is subpar at best and if shes attacking you face to face, just kill her for being an idiot. Its not that hard if you're decent at the game.
@@wintonoverwat Her healing is very strong, her dps is very strong, she recovers life by doing damage, she recovers life with healing orb, no need to aim, and if everything goes wrong and you are about to die, press Shift and go to a safe place. She is clearly a character made for beginners. ( I myself was already main moira when I started playing ). Like I said: In the beginner's hand it is balanced, but in the veteran's hand it can be main heal and behave like a third dps at the same time.
@@Toddes Moira's skill ceiling is very low. Sure, the veteran will have different game sense than the newer person, but its not like ball or doom. Bap can do everything moira can but better. He has better damage, better healing, better survivability.
Tbh I don't really feel anyway towards mercy players. The only time I see them is once in the lobby before the game starts and second when I go to endorse the supports. Also Damn you really went in on hanzo this vid. You might aswell have put in /hanzo in the title 🤣
I have to disagree about Mercy being easier to rank up than Ana or Baptiste that’s far from the truth Mercy is heavily reliant on her teammates to do the job while Ana and Baptiste can do the job themselves cuz they have the killing potential You can watch ML7 unranked to GM on every support and see that his longest playtime to get to GM was with Mercy A GM player is a GM player whether it’s Mercy, Cassidy, Soldier, or Junkrat it has nothing to do with the character
As a Mercy main I am not going to argue with you, and like you said I legit can't play any other character near as well. At a push I can stumble through a match with Ana (the snooze dart is aways on cooldown and I run from fights that after reviewing the match I could have easily won if I fought my Mercy instincts). Trying to learn Torbjorn now because I really like his aesthetic.
I think that a good rework for blue beam would be to make it a chargeable projectile and instead of a damage boost to maybe be a cooldown regeneration of like 15% and the charge should be like 1-1.5 seconds. What do you think?
@@heyyou9903 that would work to kill pocket but she needs an ultimate thats worth using so the "ukt cannibalizing" stops being s thing. Valkyrie is bottom 2 ultimate
@@pasteldad39 yeah iirc valkyrie is the first ult to be a "basic" power up of a character's existing playstyle Imo all those types of ults could be better Same with hanzo's shoot faster ability storm Arrows imo it should have been 3 charges of a bounce arrow tip like sonic arrow
@@heyyou9903 a weaker valk would be a great base ability. And blue beam imo should be just limited to resource and have its ibteractions tweaked but also improved. For example blue beam now has 4 secinds max uptime in meter with 10 seconds wait to fully refill and 2 sec cooldown on running empty, but healing refunds beam faster, and another nerf is that it doesnt boost crits, just the base damage of the ability gor ex cass HS doing 157.5 instead of 175 (she boost 25% from 70 not 140) but also give the ally slightly faster movement speed and lowered cooldowns. Add back reactove boosting and she would be able to bounce around teammates so she cna heal to regain boost and use boost to more targets. Then replace rez with either defnesive util or a mini valk and give her a new ultimate
as an ex-mercy main (switching to lucio and lifeweaver) i do understand your frustrations but the way i see it is shes meant to be the opposite of a glass canon the trade-off for such bad damage is her high support so its meant to sort of balance each other out
mercy just brings forth so many issues. 1: she doesnt need to aim to support which means mercy players are brain dead and only have to worry about their single 2 second cool down dash and staying behind cover. 2: she doesnt need to aim her gun because as long as the bullet is kinda within 5 feet of her target they hit. 3: her damage boost ruins the balance of the game without needing to be an ult.
I'm medal ranks, 38 with a full time job, girlfriend I see two-three times a week, D&D almost every Monday, so I don't just get to sit and grind Overwatch like I used to. But lately, in my rank: Moira needs to be forced to stop damaging once in a while. Far too easy for her to just hold left click and get more value than any hero deserves. This shouldn't even be a thing in a game like this, I don't care if it doesn't affect high-level players as they're more than capable of dealing with it. My teammates frequently are not (or pretend as much) which means she just focuses me whenever an enemy player realizes I'm getting any value whatsoever. Mercy needs to not get so much value from evading death while not having to do any of her own damage. Soldier 76's damage needs to be vastly lowered on console, or they need to find a way to block XIM, as every Soldier I face lately is cracked out of his gourd and EFFORTLESSLY never ever misses a shot (which means we're screwed if the tank refuses to engage with him and blames the DPS for being out DPS'd by aimbot soldierboy.) I don't XIM, so even swapping to mirror him leaves me at a disadvantage way more often than it should. Pharah needs to be FORCED to touch the ground more often. I thought she was, but it appears there are still ways to keep flying, and thus evading 99 percent of the shots from anyone bronze through platinum, I imagine, if they even have the sense to try to do anything about her. I never thought I'd say this, as an off-and-on DVa main, but she's waaaaaaaaaaaay too darn strong right now and shouldn't be able to matrix away 90 percent of the damage my team does while refusing to swap to beam heroes or give her enough reasons to actually use up Matrix so we can damage her. Mauga needs to be more killable, even when he is using his cooldowns and getting double pocketed (or, like I said, Mercy needs to not be able to evade while not having to do her own damage to get SO MUCH value) and Reinhardt deserves massive buffs or some relevant rework to bring him in line with OW2 heroes. Invisibility should not be a thing in a game like this. Even though I enjoy playing Sombra on occasion, sometimes to the extent where I feel like I have to play her because their DPS heroes *never seem to miss*, so not being able to see me feels like my only shot at doing anything against them. Heck I'd swap to tank if I could, as a lot of my struggles seem exacerbated by timid tank players who don't understand the concept of doing anything other than getting eliminations and putting their team down. And I think the ranking system should attempt to place us not only with people near our rank, but with people who aren't clearly dominating every match and maybe don't play the game religiously. Or vice-versa depending on circumcstances But yeah, Overwatch 2 is perfectly balanced, no notes.
What's her health sympathetic healing gain at now? And honestly i don't think 175 would be too bad, it would change up her playstyle and might be interesting.
11:52 Average Bed of chaos fight Funny how the unhealthiest overwatch hero video also features the unhealthliest Soulsborne boss ever created lmao Also please make that DS1 video. I'd love to hear your take on the game
I completely agree with you that damage boost and rez are TOTAL BULLSHIT, and that Mercy in her current state is bad for the game, but goddamn man you expressed your thoughts so poorly in this video, it's extremely subpar compared to your previous work. You could've made a concise breakdown of the issues Mercy has and provided specific examples of how they break the game, and how that affects balance for other heroes, creating a trickle down effect of screwed up balance throughout the entire game, all for an ability that Mercy players don't even care about. Instead of that you just whined and complained *in the most non-concise way* about how mercy "doesn't take skill, and gets too much value for too little skill, and therefore is stupid and lame" for 10 minutes. I expected better from you. I know I'm just some random guy commenting on your youtube video, but I encourage you to not just shit out garbage like this just for the sake of making "content". If you don't want to make a video about mercy, don't make a video about Mercy. Make more stuff like your Hi-Fi Rush video. I don't even like that game, I think it's not that fun and really annoying, but that video is extremely well put together and why I pay attention to your uploads. Do better man.
Actually he made good examples. His example with Soldier that got nerfed by 1 damage point for so many times. They are min maxing other heroes by 1 dps, by 25HP etc. and then Mercy comes and destroys this balancing with her infinite pocket and damage boost. They are min maxing heroes while there is a nearly untouched hero like mercy that clicks on another hero like a battery and makes him stronger 24/7, it doesnt make sense. Then Rez itself is an ability that should not be in Ow. In a game where its is all about getting a pick, a rez mechanic is just braindead. And it is cringe that the ability can extend in its power. Rez a Hanzo with 200HP is on a whole other value level than rez a Tank with a way bigger hp pool. Unless you are pocketing a carry hitscan, which is normally the case, you mostly rez the hero you are pocketing. And lastly the complains about her being a low skill -> high value character in fact IS another argument that she is unhealthy for the game. It is not just whining. The hero is Anti competitive. Like he said, a Cass GM player is higher skilled player than a Mercy GM player. And this is a big Problem for the competitive integrity. There should not be a hero that just gets tons of value by only existing.
@@light-4291 Skillful play should always be rewarded, whether it's with more damage by hitting headshots, or maybe canceling a high noon with a sleep dart(which involves not only aiming the sleep dart but also being conscious of the enemy ult charge and saving your cooldown specifically for that, peak overwatch, fantastic game design). Keep in mind I fucking hate mercy, and think she's annoying to play and play against, but that is pretty much entirely because if damage boost and rez, *not because she doesnt have a high skill ceiling, there's nothing wrong with that. Some heroes have lower skill ceilings, allowing for less skill expression, but also less value. This is completely fine, only bronze players actually whine about Moira, because a Moira player just can't ever reach the peaks in value that an Ana player can. Mercy's has 5 things she can do. -Movement (Guardian Angel) -Resurrections -Damage Boost -Healing -Valkyrie usage *Ignore the points in Italics/the box(sorry if the formatting looks weird on mobile) if you want, TLDR is that skillful play is in fact rewarded as Mercy, although it has a lower ceiling than most other supports.* ------------------------------------------------------ *_Movement:_*_ If executed well this is rewarded with dying less due to being much harder to hit. Hooray! Rewarded for skillful play!_ *_Rezzing:_*_ In order to get a rez off with out getting your skull caved in you need to have adequate knowledge of Mercy's movement, and the enemy team's positioning and their stun/raw damage cooldowns. Once again, you can perform this task much better, if you execute it in a skillful manner._ *_Damage Boost:_*_ pretty simple, absolutely nothing specific to Mercy, but damage boosting the right person does require game sense, literally every single hero, and especially support, in the entire game needs to be doing this, but that doesn't make it not skillful just because Mercy doesn't have an added mechanical/mental barrier. Skill is still in fact rewarded here, even if it's just general game knowledge and understanding._ *_Healing:_*_ Pretty much same thing as damage boost. Damage boost and healing can be thought of as basically the same exact decision as whether or not to shoot the enemy team or heal your own if you were playing Ana. Nothing special, but it definitely skill requires brain activity._ *_Valk usage:_*_ not much specific to mercy, similar to any other ult you can decide when to use it and what to use it for, to get a rez, to save yourself or someone else, etc etc, just macro game stuff._ ------------------------------------------------------- So the issue is not that skillful play is not rewarded, but that she can rez and damage boost, _*AT ALL*_. Skill is pretty much entirely irrelevant when balancing. I don't care if you have to do a fucking street fighter third strike 20 hit combo and do a 5 digit long division problem in your head every time you want to damage boost for 2 seconds, it's just fucking bullshit, and should not be in the game, completely disregarding of the skill level necessary to perform it, same goes for rez. The issue is just that the abilities are just plain fucking inane. It is ludicrous that they are in the game _at all._
This is the first time I watch any of your videos, I don't know anything about you, but once you mentioned you hated Hanzo, I fully believed everything that you've said.
I was Lucio and dva main in OW1 but when i first played overwatch 2 I wanted to try something different and I tried playing every hero but something about mercy’s movement just feels so satisfying so I tried her out a bit more. She was boring but simple to play at first but when I learned the full extent of her Ga and a few techs like the SJ rez I had a lot of fun. I wasn’t mechanically skilled at the time so I ended up picking her a lot but when I felt like I wasn’t ranking up alot I switched to Moira and ended up ranking to gold usually doing the most damage on my team (which is likely since she doesn’t take much to play as). Now that I am with Gold Dps with better aim, mercy felt a bit better to play. But she felt very team dependent so I switched to ana to improve my aiming and ranked to plat! I tried getting my friends to play but they didn’t like the game so I ended up soloQ mercy alot which tends to go badly. So from my experience she was a beginner friendly character that also punishes you if you play in beginner lobbies. Her whole kit is pretty basic and little skill to utilise it but her movement is where you can separate the good from bad, though being good at movement will likely get you nowhere as all it helps you is not die and sometimes stall point. I’m not a fan of her damage boost as pocketing is boring, so I’m hoping for a rework(though the triage healing passive, now removed, was really nice but promoted a healbot play style which felt also boring. There was also a change to the cooldown on GA which punishes you with a longer cool-down if you do more movement leaving her even more vulnerable. The only time I have fun is when I’m in valk, flying into the fight and spinning and zipping around, drawing attention from my team. I love the feeling of dodging all their attacks making use of her wings hitbox to block bullets from hitting my head. And when there’s a sniper in my range I love to sling shot and kill them. Feels nice in valk. And pulling of risky rezzes gives me so much adrenaline. Though I understand how rez just feels annoying to go against and id be completely ok to get it removed, same as dmg boost. Yeah but that’s my experience from playing as a soloQ mercy… mixed bag of feelings
"Never gets touched" was nerfed multiple times in OW1 and multiple times in OW2 including last week and has received multiple reworks... lul Also your point about not being able to flex to other supports in GM is bs. More than half the supports in OW are mechanically easy to get value out of and perform well in in GM. Mercy spends all game watching the teamfight unfold and thus over time learns patterns and behavior of good plays and bad plays for most heroes in the game after enough hours on her. It's very easy to go Moira, Brig, Lucio, Kiri, LW in GM and perform well because a lot of their value doesn't require insane aim and you can perform just fine. I know I'm a "rare exception !!" of a Mercy main who can aim but I also got an Ana only account to GM with relative ease because the game sense that transferred over is so helpful. I do agree though that her OW2 movement is horribly unhealthy and way too strong and easy, it lowered her skill floor and ceiling an insane amount and raised her value level way too much. I think her new movement + rez are way unhealthier for the hero and game than damage boost is. I think if they reverted her back to OW1 movement and replaced rez with something else damage boost wouldn't be that much of an issue since she would be easier to contest and force off pocket targets and if you DID kill them she couldn't just bring them back to life. Can't stand the victim complex you have going on though. Talking poorly about Mercy doesn't negatively impact you at all. It literally does the opposite. So many content creators farm engagement on Twitter and TH-cam by shitting on Mercy and Mercy players. It's literally one of the most common social media trends right now. Not a single content creator has ever faced actual issues or downwards engagement for shitting on Mercy, only boosts.
The nerfs back in Ow1 did nothing to her. Mercy was a bad character only in season 1-3 of Ow1. At season 4 she got insane buffs. Then we had the most hated Mercy meta for many seasons. Her „rework“ from mass rez to valk made her even stronger. She is the reason tons of dps got nerfed because they were too good with blue beam… So rather nerfed tons of dps heroes than Mercy. She is the most braindead most easy to play hero in the game. She is always low skill -> high value. Her pure existence is value for her team. And thats the problem. And the dmg boost nerf of 5% is a joke 😂 She needs a full rework or she needs to get deleted from the game to make the game healthier. She is an anti skill anti competitive character.
Ain't no way Mercy players pick anything up from watching fights I don't even believe they look at them at all, infact I refuse to believe they've got eyes
I love the fact everyone says the mercy mafia or cult is after them....this vid has 1.3k likes to 136 dislikes....some people love to be victims. Also every time you said game sense you died stupidly.
As a mercy main i agree mercy has some problems. Mercy is easy to play and going to be honest easy to master, I think mercy is set apart buy other supports in the sense you have to micromanage the whole team. You are flying in the air so you have a better view of the battle around you. You can rank up with mercy but at some point you just can’t rank any higher, what sets high level mercy players is ironically game sense. Lower level mercy’s don’t have really any game sense imo this is the really the only thing that sets a diamond mercy and a gm1 mercy apart.
Thanks god someone that understand the value/skill ratio that mercy has. What that mean that mercy main are just boosted by their character, most of the time the only other character that they know how to play is moira. Which is literally the easiest character in the game, but does not have any value compared to mercy or even kiriko, so when a mercy main/otp switch to moira in your game, ggs guys it’s over.
@@its_lucky252 I never said it was bad. And you're not unkillable during valk at all. You just get increased GA speed, regen and your healing beam is stronger. It's still very easy to kill a Mercy using valk, hence why it's one of the weakest support ultimates
@@its_lucky252he has a point, in higher ranks it's hard to be good cause other supports are just better. There's barely anything the other support can't do better
I’ll be honest, I usually play mercy or zen and I agree wholeheartedly that db and discord need nerfs along with mercy’s ult, but I’m not gonna say she’s easy to play cause unless you gotta teammate near you, you’re just a free kill let’s be honest 😂
I mostly play kiri mercy and Ana and I found it so fucking dumb when ppl were complaining about her rez and dmg boost and they decided to nerf her ga pushing her to be a pocket bitch even more 💀
"blizzard is too scared to change her"... she's been changed 20+ times so that doesnt really make sense. Also, zen makes his ENTIRE team do 25% more damage and he can still do damage and heal. Mercy can only MOVE when giving ONE person 25% more damage. So I'm still confused as to why people talk about her more?
@@momdad1818 It'sjust really interesting to see people complain about mercy not having to when zen can just look at you and press discord with no cooldown
good video on mercy as a GM DPS player myself I full heartly agreed. I am curious when you do a video of bastion (the most neglected DPS in the entire 6 years that OW has been on for.) A good general tip look at bastion actual performance and pick rate as one of the metric because you will see how much he got neglectic.
1. getting a high rank solo q on mercy is just as hard as any other character because she is SO team based and u cannot carry with her if ur team is doing poorly 2. theyre not loud theres just a lot of them so it seems loud 3. im pretty sure everyone knows shes pretty easy but u can def tell a new mercy and a experienced mercy apart, like with ur gameplay i was like wtf ru doing anyways thats it im done
I play a lot of Mercy, and I got trashed because of people thinking that I act like the bad part (paying for the actions of other, wohooo), and I say this because I honestly don't like how Mercy is in her actual state. At this point as much as I find satisfying the damage boost, I think it should be changed, it would always be really powerful unless it gets overnerfed (to like 15% boost or lower) or gets completely reworked into a cooldown or something like that. Her Valkyre is broken on every single aspect that I don't even know how to call it. It is annoying for the enemy, unfun to fight against, being able to fly around at high mobility and even res at a much lower risk it even more broken than what it looks, the fact that she gets increased healing while using it is broken, being able to give everyone a damage boost is busted, unfun to use in general, I generally like being able to buff a teammate on a game, but for some reason it feels clumsy with Mercy in her Valkyre, the infinite ammo on her pistol I'm fine with it... or I would be if it wasn't because of everything else in combination with this. Res was already strong, but in 5v5 is even more powerful (seriously 5v5 unbalanced a lot of heroes even without direct changes to them) Mercy is a very easy hero to use, probably not the easiest (I still think that Soldier 76 gets that tittle), but she requires a low skill cap, it's true that when you start to play with her it can be a bit complicate to use well her mobility and when to change between heal and damage boost, but you learn very fast how to use well all of that. Honestly, I'm fine with Mercy being easy to use, requiring skill was never a real "disadvantage", the skill is not the problem, but she's just busted because of her kit.
@goldfishtoast yes but mercy can't carry she has to rely on her team so much to get her value out her vlaue is tied to her team not just her shes the antithesis of a support hero
@@domicci4460 You just restated what I said its harder to carry but the skill floor is high and skill ceiling low compared to other supports so if you just play enoupg games its super easy to get a high rank
So, my only question is why didn't you talk at all about her movement. Not a mercy main, but I play her every now and then probably my 4th most played and I feel her movemnet is her kit, she is quick to pick up and hard to master for that very reason. And the way you did talk about movement, was based on her old and none of her new stuff. Skiesti has a pretty good video on her channel about this, especially with regard to the last nerf, I'd say give it a listen, she's a top 500 support main, who makes mercy content.
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Mercy: I refuse to believe your healing is magical!
Also mercy: watches genji and hanzo pull out a whole dragon
I know right, Also where does mercy put her staff and gun when she switches?
@@Overwatch2010her gun probably holsters onto her armor
Her staff? Maybe it shrinks? And she puts it on her back? I dunno
@@Memelord-md5hs Well we know where Torb keeps him hammer along with Hanzo and Genji but we never see mercy’s weapons on her in general
@@Overwatch2010most animations or emotes have her hold it within her left hand. though not consistent when within a match,
@@secretintrovert No I said WHERE does she keep them not WHICH hand she holds them
6:11 the fact you managed to perfectly time that teleport just to get crushed by mech is so funny
I dont play overwatch and I was wondering if that was what happened or not lol
The biggest frustration is when I as a Lifeweaver/Lucio/Moira/etc. somehow manage to finally kill the enemy tank on point after an intense minute of 1v1ing, just to watch the enemy Mercy casually fly in front of me to revive him in like three seconds
In those 3 seconds she can easily be interrupted 💀 just boop or platform her.
Your DPS should also shoot at her.
(if she's out in the open ofc. If she's behind a wall or something, I agree it's frustrating)
As a Mercy player I would actually like it if Resurrect were to be replaced with another ability. Give her burst healing on a cooldown maybe. Or a new, fun and interactive ability. Just not resurrect.
i swear mine resurrections take two seconds longer than everyone else,
The mercy mafia is gonna destroy u my friend, stay strong
Yes, I'm sure that a few femboys will cause unprecedented loss for Giovanni.
@@ihatedream882I mean one twerp can take down his entire gang so..
@@ihatedream882was the femboy part needed like
I cannot wait
@@oKiterrrr Not my fault that they make up the entire mercy playerbase
As someone who only played mercy when i was support in OW1, i agree, however i dont think discord orb is comparable to mercys damage boost, considering one affects a single enemy and is easily removed, while the other affects a teanmate who can now deal more damage to everyone.
edit: i said this bc you can either avoid discord orb entirely or force de zen out by playing corners, but you cant do anything against damage boost except to kill the mercy, wich can be very difficult depending on how good they are.
plus, zen has no mobility and mercy can fly.
Also, zen can deal damage himself on top of that, where as mercy either has to hold heal or dmg boost, she pulls her glock now and then, but zens out there constantly spamming chokes ontop of his discord and healing orb
Discord is worse tho. Yes the mercy pocketed person can do dmg to anyone. But you usually only hit 1 person with a bullet. So it is not relevant. The discorded target is always the tank. Breaking LOS to remove discord makes the tank give up space and that is way too much for a no cooldown spammable ability. And discord makes the target take extra dmg from ALL sources. So it has the effect of mercy dmg boosting 5 people if they focus on that target. Like the video said. We are comparing sh1t to sh1t
@@janvandenhooren9397Yes. I don’t know how people can overlook this.
@janvandenhooren9397 No kidding, but it's still just as bad. You're comparing a sprained ankle to a broken leg. They both suck even if one is a bit better than the other
@@MrFlan1723 Discord is like getting your legs amputated and mercy beam is like breaking a toe. Discord worse
The problem I have with most Mercy haters is that they always seemed to think Mercy mains like how she is currently. Most Mercy players litterally just want her movement to be like OW1 and everything else can be reworked. Hell, Damage boost could be gone by tommorrow and Mercy mains will not care much.
Also they forget ehy metcys pocket playstyle is the dominsnt one right now.
Thry chabged damage boost so you cant DB reactively and nerfed valkyrie inti the ground.
Pocketing exists so you maximize ult economy eith your bad ult. You boost ally supports and pocketed dps' ult rate by healing less and increasing damage
OW 1? Nah that was trash, took skill but trash. Honestly as long as she keeps her ga and get reworked 99% of mercy players wouldn’t give an F.
Cope
@theplaguedoctor6271 as an ana main that hates mercy's GA, i gotta say skill issue(just hit your shots). i hate it, but it's not that bad a mechanic, just some tweaks to the teq to make it, ya know, skill-based instead of ctrl(or space if you're feeling a little spicy) AND REMOVE DB AND ZEN ORB FOR F SAKE. She definitely needs a rework and tweaks for more skill expression, and to make her feel less infuriating to play against. instead of turning your brain off with her GA.
Edit: (idk if they did this but her healing boost on low HP targets is insanely powerful, i don't know if they've removed it, because i just anti any chance i get, or target mercy whenever possible, but that thing just makes me wanna sleep and use the Tea Emote on mercy the entire game. Probably just me being bad at the game, though)
@@UltriVhalis Ana main hating ga? How is the most privileged permanent meta support like ana even gettong to complain about anything mercy. Nade has 8 seconds of CD and is more impactful than emrcys entire ultimate
There is a big difference between mercy mains and otps tho. I recently became a mercy main because i fell in love with how satisfying her gameplay and movement feel, however i used to be a tracer/widow/ana main so i have the mechanics required for other characters yet i still get put in the "braindead mercy player" category and i think it's unfair. I think there is nothing wrong with having easy and hard characters in the game and you shouldn't be shamed for liking an easy character nor does it define how skillful of a player you are, and also just because a character is easy doesn't mean it should be useless? At the end of the day we all just wanna play a character we enjoy and that character is mercy for a lot of people. Now i can understand that she can be unfun to play against but so are a lot of characters (sombra, ball, hanzo, widow...) Now i'll admit i understand that damage boost is not the healthiest thing for the game but i don't even care that much about it like if it got changed tomorrow id be like ok, what i truly like about her is how different she feels from other characters and her movement is just so fun to use. MUCH LOVE THO💗
The unfun characters you mentioned, all of them require skill compared to mercy who has very low skill requirements
@@helheimpanda I don't see that much skill in getting right clicked by a Sombra and not being able to use any of my kit afterwards, especially when it has such a low cd, but either way that is not my point at all. An annoying character is an annoying character, some are easier than others and that's just how it is. The argument of "mercy requires no skill" just doesn't go anywhere because that's how the game wanted it, if you don't like the variety of skill required for different characters then go play cs go
@@sophia5506 sombra might be an annoying character, but rly, 1 sec of a hack ain't even that big of deal. I can stay permanently hackes as Cree and do 90% of what I would normally do. Mercy on the other hand is annoyance by herself + she amplifies someone who might be even more annoying + gl killing her in her ult if you are say name_closerange_character
The only reason I prefer playing against mercy than other annoying characters is that in case you have sombra/widow/ball etc it's around 50/50 (rank around gm). You either get a dummy who tries new characters in comp or an absolute menace who will roll you. In mercy case it's 80/20ish with 80 being a fella who think that if they are pocketing around the corner they can get their hand off the keyboard. I legit met too many mercy's who straight up standing completely still while pocketing
@@invarkul7831bc Cree is the anti-flanker, so it doesn't matter if sombra hacks him bc she's objectively putting herself in much danger by 1v1ing him.
But for chars like Ball, Doom, Rein, Genji, being hacked is a pain in the ass bc you essentially become a big potato with legs.
Agree with most points except most GM Mercys not deserving their rank. Mercy is the hardest support to climb with period because she is more reliant on her team than other supports. She can't make crazy offensive plays on her own she needs her team.
compare a gm mercy to a plat mercy in ow2, usually no difference
I mean... maybe but it's not for mercy being hard, it's cause for everyone being better!
In gm, it's just more worth to pocket some one and u still being more useful the The most supports
@@its_lucky252 Cap. A gm Mercy's awareness is far above any plat player's awareness.
worst thing is to have braindead dps
@@its_lucky252Im sorry, I’m willing to agree that mercy isn’t great right now and needs to be reworked and all but there a huge difference between a gm and plat mercy if you look at her plays for more than 20sec
as a mercy player, i absolutely hate Valk, not because i wish we had mass ress, but because its actually just spectator mode the ability and i despise it
She's spectator mode the character... even before she pops Valk
Playing mercy is the equivalent of giving mental support to your team you aren’t there actively doing shit
@@Ghostofcalmaity"I need healing"
@@kalebk9595 I think he needs healings
But to bad the mercy won’t leave her pocket other wise she’d drop to bronze 5
@@Ghostofcalmaity or catch an attitude bc you're standing right behind her 1 health.
God forbid I ask for one of the many privileges that support gets a monopoly over...
mercy has the closest gameplay loop of medic from TF2, which is why I personally love playing her, since I love playing medic, though the same essence of core gameplay balance is lacking, which is why i branch out to every other support and enjoy them too
mercy is more unhealthy for the game than her players diets
but that's impossible
She’s healthy for the r34 tho
They don't eat anything they are e-thots
What do you think hog players look like?
@@Slavtron they probably looks like flats
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say Mercy's ult is insanely powerful. Most other support ults are better
literally an ult that makes her nearly impossible to kill and makes her healing even more annoying
@@RoninFT9
Mercy’s ULT is *not* that powerful:
▶Self-heals 15 hp/s
▶AOE heals 60 hp/s
Compared to Zenyatta's ULT:
▶Zen becomes *invincible*
▶AOE heals *300 hp/s*
But I never hear anyone complain about Zen's ULT being OP. 🙄
@@undrtakr900 her heal has unlimited (or so) range, she can damage boost a whole team and last 15 seconds
zen's ult : is aoe yes, but only last 6 seconds, the range is limited and zen can only move during it. also anti heal hard counters it and makes zen no longer useful
@sachalec3548 anti heal hard counters literally every healing ult lol. Taking that out of the equation Zens ult is one of the most powerful ults in the game unless you're up against a dva bomb or junk tire.
@@undrtakr900 Mercy can fly to the skybox and still heal the full team, it feels like you're either trying to pop a transcendence or everyone has five Discorbs on them.
Zenyatta has weak heals without his ult, he is a flex support. Zen discorbing ONE person and them dying, then making him wait 6 seconds before popping a new one isn't as good as "Now we'll do like 25% more damage to everyone and there ain't jack shit you can do about it."
I agree that it's not the best support ult, but-
Mercy:
Heals a moderate amount to one target, basically ensuring consistent sustain.
Applies an effect that makes it so every enemy in your line of sight may as well be discorded.
If you DO manage to kill the enemy, which is literally impossible for a few characters, if she's being a little baby and hiding behind her team like normal she just rezzes them.
Insane movement makes her nigh-impossible to keep track of, especially if you're playing against a good one.
Does jack shit if you manage to ult down her entire team, very weak in general outside of teamfights. A parasite.
Meanwhile, Zenyatta:
Heals a small amount to one target, ensuring prolonged sustain, but not infinite sustain. Very frail himself, so difficult to keep heals on one highly mobile target out of line of fire or on flanks.
Applies an effect where ONE enemy in your line of sight is discorded to everyone on the team. You may say that Damage Boost is worse since it's 5-1 instead of 1-5, but have you ever tried coordinating a dive with Zenyatta? There's like 3 characters who can do that.
No movement abilities, meaning that killing him in a hectic fight is possible.
If you DO manage to kill the enemy, not much happens. Zenyatta just applies an orb to someone else.
Can actually hold his own once the rest of his team is gone, and has a chance to swing team fights with his very powerful, EXPENSIVE ultimate.
If you insist on arguing the ultimate point, how about this?
Mercy is basically a flying, highly-mobile mini-transcendence in Valkyrie. OR she's an even more annoying highly mobile Supercharger. She can rush you down and since she's so fast you can't do much due to her self-heal if you're widow, ana, ashe, Hanzo, etc.
Zenyatta is a non-flying, semi-mobile full Trancendence that can't counter every ultimate and severely impacts your DPS output once used. It's a major commitment to activate, since it's basically saying that you don't believe anyone will pop a second ultimate in the near future.
How to get:
Valkyrie: Sit down and shoot yellow beams for a minute.
Trance: Actually do something and make yourself semi-vulnerable in the best case situations.
Yeah, nobody's gonna be complaining about Trancendence any time soon.
8:32 …. I tried very hard to get to gm on mercy.. and I tried hard to get to gm on kiriko. They were both hard to get to gm on, like every character. Idk what this misconception is that all mercy mains have it easy. You guys are thinking of the boosted mercy mains with their smurfing eboys. Climbing as mercy was much harder than kiriko.
This man speaks out against the mercy mafia. A good person to ally with as the anti-mercy mafia. We strive to fight the fear caused by the mercy mafia.
get a life
As a Sombra main, I am not sure how we got under this radar. Clearly we need to try harder. LMAO
I feel like there’s a good group of us that do hear your complaints and have been trying to push for more positive changes. The developers I feel like are so out of touch and are too focused on bandaid changes and dodging her issues and they have been chipping at her skill expression in the wrong ways and just pushing her more and more and more into something no one wants. The being able to change your sensitivity on her gun was a good change for example, but taking away the skill to perform a superjump and use it correctly, was not. All of this new movement she got hindered her in both fun and skill. Mass Rez I don’t necessarily know or think was healthy or unhealthy, I didn’t play back then but her rework was so overpowered that it lead to some serious issues with the hero. A lot of Mercy players are so vocal because they *did* make her more and engaging and fun and everything they have done since has lead her to nerfing anything engaging and fun about the hero even if those nerfs are needed. Mercy mains are bitter, I’m bitter at this point. I like the sensitivity on her gun change because now I can *actually* practice my aim without compromising my movement and muscle memory. I can now have a way to practice on my favorite hero a skill that I can transfer to another, I can now defend myself, and get kills myself. My aim no longer needs to be as compromised. I think Valk needs a rework, I think Rez needs a rework (although there’s a big part of me that doesn’t want to lose it), I think they need a flat number for GA, they insist on super jump being a button press it should have a separate cool down, idk that’s what all I can think of right now
My story with mercy went like this - I got sadly bored and burned out with tf2 back in 2017 and since they copied the medic which helped me find my calling in online games which was healing people and humbling all flankers who dared to go after me - just changed his gender and took away fun ways to deal dmg it was no brainer. She was uncomparably easier and kinda boring cause of simplicity, didnt require as much skill too but the healing was satisfying plus the mobility and i was scared of being yelled at for playing poorly at aim based supports. So I mained her for first two years, played almost nothing but her. Funny thing is I dont know what exactly happened but maybe once I got a bit bored with her and frustrated Im so dependant on team to have a good match, that im this leech, that I cant do more than one thing at the time and I can do only three in total and a buncha other stuff so I tried other supports for more than usual. The freedom,the ablility to do dmg and take out that one enemy who is low but everyone ignores for some reason, no need to follow anyone etc. - at that point I went from loving mercy to feeling disgusted by her and anyone who plays her and feels all high and mighty because they got carried to highest ranks by the team and now act like some hot stuff. I will never play that hero again. And its funny how people who play her are so scared to acknowledge that she is simple and very easy and then try to add some vail of game sense and other voodoo. I got 200 hours on her and she really is the simplest character in the game. Dont try to act like playing her is hard. Im well aware its not. Im starting to sense something is very wrong with her existance but unhealthy is what it is for now since I cant really put my finger on it.
In tf 2 whose medic is based off of( well technically only her staff) medic has so many dangers. Every spy wants his head and can easily take his if he is competent of a spy. That's not the case with mercy especially the good ones(of course I'm taking in my bad aim into account. High level players might not have this problem)
sombra or tracer?
@@reax5526she's got so many options to get away from flankers and it's easy to do so, medic does not.
@@reax5526 Teammate or Big Pig with Hook?
Everyday Im disappointed that devs, content creators and others can't even speak about making changes that makes Mercy fun but impactful and fair. I just want to smoke my bowl and fly around and help. Damage boost could be replaced for all I care. I would say for a cleanse but that's already taken. GGs Gio. And I hope this vid doesn't get insta bombed negatively. 🤦
There is a surefire way to kill the pocket playstyle - give mercy an ultimate thats not consistently bottom 3 ultimates in the game. Half of the reason mercy pockets is she otherwise "cannibalizes ult charge" from other supports with better ults.
@@pasteldad39can't they just make the damage boost decay if it stays on a single person for too long?
@@mister_meme3608 yeah then we will just cheese to reset the decay... To kill pocket mercy you need to give her an ultimate worth farming
@@pasteldad39 I hate being asked to pocket. I always get flamed for moving around and helping. I’ll pocket someone that’s actually doing well but I’m not permanently staying. But no that’s “wrong”. Also I’m not sure what would be a good ult change without changing who the character is. I’d be interested in something tho
@@MindofMercyVids her current steroid would work of it was an actually engaging steroid. League does it where abilities enhance other abilities a single time.
So you Valk then press GA once and you get something from this giga GA
Or Valk then damage boost and get smth cool.
Valk then press rez button.
Illari does this actually where the flight is an accessory but the ult goves her forst use of primary fore the rasenshuriken.
bro didnt even argue the title he just bitched about "mercy mains" and tbh as a mercy main i be seeing wayyyy more mercy hate and even misogyny over it than actual toxic mercy mains
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fr most of the arguments in theses comments are like “mercy fem boys” and im like ??????? what does that have to do with anything 😭
It's really nice to see someone put some priority on the idea of skill and value, I honestly wouldn't mind seeing mercy's value come from her movement. Idk maybe make it so when she glides past teammates they get healed or buffed so it encourages mercy to learn her movement (skill expression) and get some value out of it. That's just me tho (idk what to do with damage boost I'd just remove it)
You cant remove damage boost, like phyiscally can not. There is 0 viable alternative. The Devs know this.
@@SirenRyanu have never been creative in your life.
@@WinterGoBrrr Babe Im currently a senior at an arts school LMAO my entire life is about being creative
If you are so creative what is your viable replacement for damage boost? Ill be waiting.
The only realistic change would be to NERF damage boost to like 15-20% and tack on something additional like a movement speed and reload speed buff too, but you can never outright remove it on Mercy or it breaks the hero fundamentally.
@SirenRyan can you elaborate on why you think removing DB would break mercy fundamentally?
The one time I hit GM was while dmg boosing and echo while she deleted people. Took no effort compared to my climb from plat to masters on bapiste. I think she is good for accesibility reasons. Not everyone is experienced in shooters and she learns you how the game works. But that is her entire design. A spectator hero.
unrelated but that reaper teleport you did to avoid the dva ult only for her to crush you with her mech was so sad
As a mercy main thanks for not just spending 90 percent of the video just saying you don't like fighting against her but rather actually providing brain cells to the issue. On that note yea I wish mercy would have a higher skill floor and the skill ceiling, whiel it is higher than people think, should be pushed up. If they kept her movement as a key part of her kit and made sure she isn't a healbot either by having some utility then I wouldn't mind a rework
It ain't that much higher than people think.
If at all.
@@InfernoZX5 ceiling is higher, floor is lower.
Mercy and lucios skill floor is so low you can literally program functional bots that play at silver level or higher.
Her ceiling is higher because she has low but consistent value that needs to be always optimized.
@@pasteldad39 facts
@@pasteldad39 I know quite a few bronze mercys
it's wild to me but it happens more than you'd think
@@st.sithis7933 mercy pocketbots exist but they are dead weight
Another thing about damage boost thats unfair on top of the changing breakpoints is how quickly the pocketed dps gets ult,popular pockets like echo,pharah and ashe can get their ults every team fight it feels. It also makes counter picking more difficult if you dont have a mercy pocket because they can easily switch and not worry about losing ult charge.
A love playing Mercy, Ana and Kiriko, but recently I find Mercy much more boring to play. Still like flying around, but there is nothing more to learn.
Now I'm trying to get the same skill with Ana as I have with Kiriko. And yet still, I don't know how to play Bap properly.
Thank you for saying this because oh my god I utterly despise mercy. I loathe her existence, her immortality that spreads like a plague to her teammates because she is way to strong for such a easy character.
@alexanderziegler37nahhh, i think he just can't stand her.
Mercy has poor healing output so I don’t know about that one? Mercy is nowhere near the strongest support, but I agree that she should be changed for the better of Mercy players who want to play more skillfully and for people who are annoyed with her.
I’m just saying a good Bap with immo field is better than a Mercy with rez lol. Not even accounting for characters like Kiri and Ana.
@@hallowedchromee310poor healing output? Is that a joke? Lmao. I can sit there holding down on mercy and completely negate winstons damage. That is NOT okay for something that requires 0 aim AND goes through all shields
@@JA-kr1lzyou used WINSTON as an example, who doesn't have high DPS output cuz you know ur wrong. Soldier, Ashe, widow, Hanzo, Cass, Symm, Torb, Pharah, Echo, Genji can all roll a pocket mercy. You can't just cry about smth and then used a dumb example to back it up cuz you know ur wrong
@@JA-kr1lz You just said a Winston issue not a Mercy issue. You do know that Ana, Kiriko, Baptiste, and even Lifeweaver can easily do that much healing and more right. Her beam is subpar because it focuses on single targets but it isn’t the worst. She’s just overall not that great and isn’t that unhealthy in my opinion? The only thing unhealthy about her is that the playstyle she has is not sustainable because it’s pretty boring beyond dodging bullets and doing rez techs maybe.
As a chronic mercy main, let me explain my situation: due to abuse in my past, I have irreversible and severe hand tremors, and these affect all of the games that I play, but shooters the most. I enjoy overwatch, but due to this, mercy is the only character that I can play and not suck ass with. I believe that mercy takes skill to play, and I've been able to climb the ranks with her, something that I could never do in any other shooter because of my condition. Mercy is not required on your team for you to win, like brig and sojourn used to be, and in this state, I think that she is fine where she is at, and she gives an outlet for players like me to actually enjoy a shooter that is tuned to us as well.
Nobody asked for your trauma dumping lil bro 💀💀 Trying to use your "disability" as an argument for why one of the most broken and no skill characters is perfectly fine is wild 💀
@@calebdune6949chronically online
@@calebdune6949☠️☠️☠️
@@calebdune6949 I wanted to list a reason as to why I can't aim, so that you don't just say "get better"
@@calebdune6949cry
my biggest issue with Mercy is when I finally secure my hard earned pick and I proceed to have to play EA FC club as a goalkeeper on the soul in case Mercy GAs (to the dead person btw) and decides to undo all my work and rez them
omg somebody finally put all my feelings towards mercy into words. you just got a subscriber my man.
The mercy mains are going to go crazy with this one
Its funny how soldier echo pharah sojourn ashe and hog are normal heroes on their own. But with blue beam they are super oppressive...
Look, I absolutely despise Mercy and always have since OW 1 came out, but the hate for damage boost is kind of insane honestly. The numbers could be tuned down but everyone thinks its mere existence is broken when it’s a very basic support ability in most games. Mercy has 0 damage output without it and 2 players should always be stronger than 1. You should need to coordinate with at least 1 other person to kill someone pocketed by Mercy.
buddy no. damage boost is outrageous and doesn’t belong in the game. I just went against a damage boosted tracer and he ended an attack match with 15,000+ damage and 40 plus elims when his team didn’t even make up half of that. it literally shouldn’t happen. I wasn’t even the one dying to him but because he could eradicate my team at will I would get outnumbered and die or back out the fight to regroup. mercy should not be able to press one button and enable a slightly better person to wipe a team in a TEAM SHOOTER.
not him saying that valk is a powerful ult
It's an okay-ish tempo ult but it barely provides anything new for the mercy to work with and for her team sooo it's just alright. Other support ults are DEFINITELY more impactful though.
If you have seen what early valk looked like what he has said in this video was an understatement
u can give ur whole team damage boost, thats pretty powerful
If this is all you absorbed from the video then thats on you.
Valk gives Mercy privileges she doesnt deserve.
Omni directional movement.
Infinite ammo which CAN cause her to have an advantage mid fight during a reload since not many heroes get infinite ammo with or without an ultimate.
She gets extended range on her beam which will link to extra teammates which means 60hps basically within aoe while most AOE healing in the game which is problematic even at 11 to 15hps with Brig and Lucio (not even speaking on Moira and Bap, the latter requiring aim to maximize on the healing if your teammates dont stack on each other)
Never you mind basically having AOE damage boost in valk in the same fashion.
While being one of the MOST movement heavy characters in the game even if it does require a teammate.
And thats before even considering Rez which is JUST as bad as an immortality mechanic.
Sure bap and kiri can immo multiple players but Mercy can undo her teammates mistakes that lead to them getting killed, and behind a wall just like bap immo field AND the timer is extended in overtime.
TLDR: what you mercy mains miss in the argument against your character is that you have plenty of privileges you dont deserve in exchange for playing an easier character who is less likely to pull off her own solo kills.
You also get paid handsomely in value for not learning to aim and for the same level of game sense that all heroes require.
The character is just spectator mode ultimate edition.
idk i just can't agree with this. Like mercy is not out here carrying games like say a bap can unless there really good and sometimes that doesnt even matter because sometimes she just cant be played in certain comps or maps. Shes not all around so i cant really say shes busted. damage boost and discord are dumb i admit that but i just like mercy movement.
the difference between bap and mercy is bap requires the same amount of game sense and on top of that a lot of mechanical skill if you really wanna squeeze the value out of him as he is just a dps in disguise of a support. Sincerely a bap main
no mercy carries most games she's in
bro... like mercy.... im gm5 mercy main and definitly easily gonna get gm1 with her but she requires way more map knowledge and movement skill then just game knowledge... though she does need a bit of that to
That’s true but think about how many other characters have to do that while taking into map geometry actually doing something and their positioning. Any way you chalk it up she’s braindead easy.
@@AnimeOtaku56. And think about how cass mains can get gm with plat level gamesense cuz they can muscle through mistakes with aim
I've been trying to say this for months, thank you Giovanni 😭🙏
Usually I agree with you. But i dont think mercy is that big of a deal as everyone makes her out to be, i have played her in masters and it wasn't pretty 20 deaths a good team will target you a bad one wont shes easy deal with
20 deaths sounds like you're just bad lol.
you saying mercy isn't a big deal is just ridiculous. she is as big of a deal as everyone makes her out to be. i don't want to write an essay to i'll try to summarize.
her res is the most frustrating feeling in the game. it feels worse than getting logged in the head by hanzo. being discorded as tank, etc.
i get that you rarely play other characters, so you never experienced the frustration because you are the cause of it. but we can all agree this ability is horrible for the gakr
@@its_lucky252 if you’re good at the game you’ll camp and bait the res when you can. Every ability is annoying and there’s always a way to prevent it from getting value. If her res feels so bad deny it. I play kiriko along with mercy, same rank, and always know when a mercy will res. If I’m not able to deny it too bad. It doesn’t even feel bad, if you’re good at the game she won’t be getting a res off that’s as impactful as you claim. If your widow got a pick before the fight and mercy res who tf cares bro now you actually have to fight the team fight 💀 fucking players man cry a river
mercy damage boost beam needs to be a deployable like soldier's heal or illari pylon. only damage in one area, and then her heal beam stays while her alt fire changed to some sort of skill shot. That way her healing and damage boost remain easy to do but dmg boost not as oppressive while giving her something skillful to shoot. This would remove her pistol tho, or keep it i dont know how much of a difference that would make
Well she does get a ton o value for being an easy hero to play, but also if you don't get your aim and movement level to at least decent you're also so very easily killable, like anyone can jump you and immediately kill you and then poof there goes your value. Almost every time I play against a Mercy I'll target her first and then the rest of the fight is usually easy. Now if you're playing against a really skilled mercy they will know how to get out of danger when jumped and will have a good enough aim to defend themselves on 1v1s. So in the end just complaining about Mercy like this feels like a skill issue really.
It is the first time i’ve seen someone talking about mercy requiring aim in my life
Each team fight is one minute that’s two people per fight brought back and if they are good it can change the fight
i dont know what "mercy mains" are you refering to, but a mercy main knows when someone isnt doing their job, and simply flies away.
And you shouldnt dissmiss Mercys flight by saying "Well kiriko has to teleport so its the same thing" when you see a mercy flight, a good mercy, its like trying to grab a mosquito. Mercy needs a lot of skill to ensure her survavility, most of the time without even attack, unlike kiriko who has insane dmg
conclusion: skill issue
Bro was cooking
Yall complaining about mercy like shes a real person who committed some horrible crime. Calm down its just a video game bruh. Dont hate the character. Hate the people who designed her.
We have to complain about the hero to get change?? Like what?
we're not hating on the player base
4:45 this statement could hold up better if you addressed _why_ they say mercy mains have a lot of gamesense. Her extreme mobility to be anywhere somewhat near her teammates at any time plus the fact she does not need to look at her teammates to boost/heal them means that a good mercy is constantly flying around and looking everywhere, making as many observations and call outs as she can. Such is the life of a zoomy spectator hero.
8:53 also, is that smaller point about content creators _really_ a fair statement to make? So, any content creator who says Mercy isn't easy haven't thought about the issue and come to a reasonable conclusion, but instead they are actually lying because trust me bro the Mercy mains are out there. I mean, it seems like a blanket statement to me.
idk, this feels like one of the least. . . logical videos you've made?
When I wanna play support but I'm too lazy to actually think of what I do. I play Mercy. I can literally turn my brain off, stick the stick up my teammates bum and just press shift, space or control.
I genuinely can't think of a character that's is this braindead. She's a wonderful character in game lore, but she's so boring to play. I am a spectator of the match just by playing Mercy, and I can only do "more" by calling out a Widow on the balcony of Havana. Which everyone with eyes and a brain can see and be aware of how dangerous that is.
I play Ana and Moira most of the time cause I legit get challenged when I play them. And even if Moira is a "right click, get a kill" character. At least I have to do something besides carry someone's bum with heals and damage boost. I take part in the game's out come. Playing Mercy is just letting people do their thing even if it means me falling asleep during the game.
I also play Lifeweaver and arguably you can do the same with him. But at least you change the perspective of how do you play the game and get to play once you have tree or when your team is full health. You don't get to do that as Mercy, you just follow the DPS or Tank.
I fkn hate when they removed her old tech and gave everyone ezmode superjump. Before u could tell a bad mercy from good one based on the tech. Now everyone can do it and its braindead. Ppl like her because of the freedom of movement and cool looking plays, kinda like quake 3 rocketjumping. You can replace all her abilities and keep that and ppl would still be happy.
As for her fandom being vocal or angry you gotta remember that mercy is the most trashtalked pick by ALL THE OTHER fandoms. I cant count how many times i get flamed for picking her. Especially now when healing is useless. So i'd say this is why ppl go apeshit when they change her.
Mercy’s damage boost should be reworked into her ultimate, and her revive be more frequent (maybe rez at 50% max health tho)
No
hell nah
mf lets say avg team fight lasts 1 min, you get 2 rez in one team fight and you want more ? hell nah man
Honestly, the most unhealthy support character is Moira. She doesn't require aiming, she doesn't require parental love, she doesn't require almost anything, she's simply a beginner character to start playing. Then a veteran player arrives and takes this character that in the hand of a beginner is balanced, but when the veteran takes it he does as many kills as the dps, heals a lot and does not die since Moira has A LOT of survival skills. She was my first main as a support and was a great crutch to help me play, but honestly... I hate playing against her, she kills me in an unfair way because she doesn't need any aiming skill or anything, you die because you have no option.
Bronze 5 take, just shoot her
@@gengar2272 as you shoot her she sucks out your soul. She easily restores your health with a healing orb while sucking you down. For me this is unfair. It's not a fair battle. No wonder Moira is the best character for the showdown. I never lost with her that way.
Plastic 4 opinion, Moira does not have the best survivability. Her healing is subpar at best and if shes attacking you face to face, just kill her for being an idiot. Its not that hard if you're decent at the game.
@@wintonoverwat Her healing is very strong, her dps is very strong, she recovers life by doing damage, she recovers life with healing orb, no need to aim, and if everything goes wrong and you are about to die, press Shift and go to a safe place. She is clearly a character made for beginners. ( I myself was already main moira when I started playing ). Like I said: In the beginner's hand it is balanced, but in the veteran's hand it can be main heal and behave like a third dps at the same time.
@@Toddes Moira's skill ceiling is very low. Sure, the veteran will have different game sense than the newer person, but its not like ball or doom. Bap can do everything moira can but better. He has better damage, better healing, better survivability.
Tbh I don't really feel anyway towards mercy players. The only time I see them is once in the lobby before the game starts and second when I go to endorse the supports.
Also Damn you really went in on hanzo this vid. You might aswell have put in /hanzo in the title 🤣
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I have to disagree about Mercy being easier to rank up than Ana or Baptiste that’s far from the truth
Mercy is heavily reliant on her teammates to do the job while Ana and Baptiste can do the job themselves cuz they have the killing potential
You can watch ML7 unranked to GM on every support and see that his longest playtime to get to GM was with Mercy
A GM player is a GM player whether it’s Mercy, Cassidy, Soldier, or Junkrat it has nothing to do with the character
This is just astonishing cope. Truly spectacular to see.
yea she's reliant on her teammates. that's the problem. you hold right click on a teammate and dominate lobbies.
@@its_lucky252 then go on and hold right click and start dominating lobbies. See how that goes
As a Mercy main I am not going to argue with you, and like you said I legit can't play any other character near as well. At a push I can stumble through a match with Ana (the snooze dart is aways on cooldown and I run from fights that after reviewing the match I could have easily won if I fought my Mercy instincts). Trying to learn Torbjorn now because I really like his aesthetic.
I main mercy cuz i love bouncing around and seeing all the health bars fill up 😎
I think that a good rework for blue beam would be to make it a chargeable projectile and instead of a damage boost to maybe be a cooldown regeneration of like 15% and the charge should be like 1-1.5 seconds. What do you think?
Nah. Aim is not the way.
I suggest giving her a resourc meter
Or maybe because of her high mobility she has diminishing effectiveness the longer she stays on one target and the Recharge is like a cooldown
@@heyyou9903 that would work to kill pocket but she needs an ultimate thats worth using so the "ukt cannibalizing" stops being s thing. Valkyrie is bottom 2 ultimate
@@pasteldad39 yeah iirc valkyrie is the first ult to be a "basic" power up of a character's existing playstyle
Imo all those types of ults could be better
Same with hanzo's shoot faster ability storm Arrows imo it should have been 3 charges of a bounce arrow tip like sonic arrow
@@heyyou9903 a weaker valk would be a great base ability. And blue beam imo should be just limited to resource and have its ibteractions tweaked but also improved.
For example blue beam now has 4 secinds max uptime in meter with 10 seconds wait to fully refill and 2 sec cooldown on running empty, but healing refunds beam faster, and another nerf is that it doesnt boost crits, just the base damage of the ability gor ex cass HS doing 157.5 instead of 175 (she boost 25% from 70 not 140) but also give the ally slightly faster movement speed and lowered cooldowns. Add back reactove boosting and she would be able to bounce around teammates so she cna heal to regain boost and use boost to more targets.
Then replace rez with either defnesive util or a mini valk and give her a new ultimate
as an ex-mercy main (switching to lucio and lifeweaver) i do understand your frustrations but the way i see it is
shes meant to be the opposite of a glass canon
the trade-off for such bad damage is her high support so its meant to sort of balance each other out
Literally everyone knows Mercy is an easy, braindead hero, it's just nobody says it because Mercy mains are savages online.
mercy just brings forth so many issues.
1: she doesnt need to aim to support which means mercy players are brain dead and only have to worry about their single 2 second cool down dash and staying behind cover.
2: she doesnt need to aim her gun because as long as the bullet is kinda within 5 feet of her target they hit.
3: her damage boost ruins the balance of the game without needing to be an ult.
I'm medal ranks, 38 with a full time job, girlfriend I see two-three times a week, D&D almost every Monday, so I don't just get to sit and grind Overwatch like I used to. But lately, in my rank:
Moira needs to be forced to stop damaging once in a while. Far too easy for her to just hold left click and get more value than any hero deserves. This shouldn't even be a thing in a game like this, I don't care if it doesn't affect high-level players as they're more than capable of dealing with it. My teammates frequently are not (or pretend as much) which means she just focuses me whenever an enemy player realizes I'm getting any value whatsoever.
Mercy needs to not get so much value from evading death while not having to do any of her own damage. Soldier 76's damage needs to be vastly lowered on console, or they need to find a way to block XIM, as every Soldier I face lately is cracked out of his gourd and EFFORTLESSLY never ever misses a shot (which means we're screwed if the tank refuses to engage with him and blames the DPS for being out DPS'd by aimbot soldierboy.) I don't XIM, so even swapping to mirror him leaves me at a disadvantage way more often than it should.
Pharah needs to be FORCED to touch the ground more often. I thought she was, but it appears there are still ways to keep flying, and thus evading 99 percent of the shots from anyone bronze through platinum, I imagine, if they even have the sense to try to do anything about her.
I never thought I'd say this, as an off-and-on DVa main, but she's waaaaaaaaaaaay too darn strong right now and shouldn't be able to matrix away 90 percent of the damage my team does while refusing to swap to beam heroes or give her enough reasons to actually use up Matrix so we can damage her.
Mauga needs to be more killable, even when he is using his cooldowns and getting double pocketed (or, like I said, Mercy needs to not be able to evade while not having to do her own damage to get SO MUCH value) and Reinhardt deserves massive buffs or some relevant rework to bring him in line with OW2 heroes.
Invisibility should not be a thing in a game like this. Even though I enjoy playing Sombra on occasion, sometimes to the extent where I feel like I have to play her because their DPS heroes *never seem to miss*, so not being able to see me feels like my only shot at doing anything against them. Heck I'd swap to tank if I could, as a lot of my struggles seem exacerbated by timid tank players who don't understand the concept of doing anything other than getting eliminations and putting their team down.
And I think the ranking system should attempt to place us not only with people near our rank, but with people who aren't clearly dominating every match and maybe don't play the game religiously. Or vice-versa depending on circumcstances
But yeah, Overwatch 2 is perfectly balanced, no notes.
As a (kind of) mercy main, I do agree with nearly everything in this video
Hot take: give her 175 HP and give her other passive a 50% health regain 🔥
What's her health sympathetic healing gain at now? And honestly i don't think 175 would be too bad, it would change up her playstyle and might be interesting.
11:52 Average Bed of chaos fight
Funny how the unhealthiest overwatch hero video also features the unhealthliest Soulsborne boss ever created lmao
Also please make that DS1 video. I'd love to hear your take on the game
Justified bc FromSoft ran out of time for the game's deadline lol
I completely agree with you that damage boost and rez are TOTAL BULLSHIT, and that Mercy in her current state is bad for the game, but goddamn man you expressed your thoughts so poorly in this video, it's extremely subpar compared to your previous work.
You could've made a concise breakdown of the issues Mercy has and provided specific examples of how they break the game, and how that affects balance for other heroes, creating a trickle down effect of screwed up balance throughout the entire game, all for an ability that Mercy players don't even care about.
Instead of that you just whined and complained *in the most non-concise way* about how mercy "doesn't take skill, and gets too much value for too little skill, and therefore is stupid and lame" for 10 minutes.
I expected better from you. I know I'm just some random guy commenting on your youtube video, but I encourage you to not just shit out garbage like this just for the sake of making "content". If you don't want to make a video about mercy, don't make a video about Mercy.
Make more stuff like your Hi-Fi Rush video. I don't even like that game, I think it's not that fun and really annoying, but that video is extremely well put together and why I pay attention to your uploads.
Do better man.
Actually he made good examples.
His example with Soldier that got nerfed by 1 damage point for so many times.
They are min maxing other heroes by 1 dps, by 25HP etc.
and then Mercy comes and destroys this balancing with her infinite pocket and damage boost.
They are min maxing heroes while there is a nearly untouched hero like mercy that clicks on another hero like a battery and makes him stronger 24/7, it doesnt make sense.
Then Rez itself is an ability that should not be in Ow. In a game where its is all about getting a pick, a rez mechanic is just braindead.
And it is cringe that the ability can extend in its power.
Rez a Hanzo with 200HP is on a whole other value level than rez a Tank with a way bigger hp pool.
Unless you are pocketing a carry hitscan, which is normally the case, you mostly rez the hero you are pocketing.
And lastly the complains about her being a low skill -> high value character in fact IS another argument that she is unhealthy for the game. It is not just whining.
The hero is Anti competitive.
Like he said, a Cass GM player is higher skilled player than a Mercy GM player.
And this is a big Problem for the competitive integrity.
There should not be a hero that just gets tons of value by only existing.
@@light-4291 Skillful play should always be rewarded, whether it's with more damage by hitting headshots, or maybe canceling a high noon with a sleep dart(which involves not only aiming the sleep dart but also being conscious of the enemy ult charge and saving your cooldown specifically for that, peak overwatch, fantastic game design).
Keep in mind I fucking hate mercy, and think she's annoying to play and play against, but that is pretty much entirely because if damage boost and rez, *not because she doesnt have a high skill ceiling, there's nothing wrong with that.
Some heroes have lower skill ceilings, allowing for less skill expression, but also less value. This is completely fine, only bronze players actually whine about Moira, because a Moira player just can't ever reach the peaks in value that an Ana player can.
Mercy's has 5 things she can do.
-Movement (Guardian Angel)
-Resurrections
-Damage Boost
-Healing
-Valkyrie usage
*Ignore the points in Italics/the box(sorry if the formatting looks weird on mobile) if you want, TLDR is that skillful play is in fact rewarded as Mercy, although it has a lower ceiling than most other supports.*
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*_Movement:_*_ If executed well this is rewarded with dying less due to being much harder to hit. Hooray! Rewarded for skillful play!_
*_Rezzing:_*_ In order to get a rez off with out getting your skull caved in you need to have adequate knowledge of Mercy's movement, and the enemy team's positioning and their stun/raw damage cooldowns. Once again, you can perform this task much better, if you execute it in a skillful manner._
*_Damage Boost:_*_ pretty simple, absolutely nothing specific to Mercy, but damage boosting the right person does require game sense, literally every single hero, and especially support, in the entire game needs to be doing this, but that doesn't make it not skillful just because Mercy doesn't have an added mechanical/mental barrier. Skill is still in fact rewarded here, even if it's just general game knowledge and understanding._
*_Healing:_*_ Pretty much same thing as damage boost. Damage boost and healing can be thought of as basically the same exact decision as whether or not to shoot the enemy team or heal your own if you were playing Ana. Nothing special, but it definitely skill requires brain activity._
*_Valk usage:_*_ not much specific to mercy, similar to any other ult you can decide when to use it and what to use it for, to get a rez, to save yourself or someone else, etc etc, just macro game stuff._
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So the issue is not that skillful play is not rewarded, but that she can rez and damage boost, _*AT ALL*_. Skill is pretty much entirely irrelevant when balancing. I don't care if you have to do a fucking street fighter third strike 20 hit combo and do a 5 digit long division problem in your head every time you want to damage boost for 2 seconds, it's just fucking bullshit, and should not be in the game, completely disregarding of the skill level necessary to perform it, same goes for rez.
The issue is just that the abilities are just plain fucking inane. It is ludicrous that they are in the game _at all._
This is the first time I watch any of your videos, I don't know anything about you, but once you mentioned you hated Hanzo, I fully believed everything that you've said.
I was Lucio and dva main in OW1 but when i first played overwatch 2 I wanted to try something different and I tried playing every hero but something about mercy’s movement just feels so satisfying so I tried her out a bit more. She was boring but simple to play at first but when I learned the full extent of her Ga and a few techs like the SJ rez I had a lot of fun. I wasn’t mechanically skilled at the time so I ended up picking her a lot but when I felt like I wasn’t ranking up alot I switched to Moira and ended up ranking to gold usually doing the most damage on my team (which is likely since she doesn’t take much to play as). Now that I am with Gold Dps with better aim, mercy felt a bit better to play. But she felt very team dependent so I switched to ana to improve my aiming and ranked to plat! I tried getting my friends to play but they didn’t like the game so I ended up soloQ mercy alot which tends to go badly.
So from my experience she was a beginner friendly character that also punishes you if you play in beginner lobbies. Her whole kit is pretty basic and little skill to utilise it but her movement is where you can separate the good from bad, though being good at movement will likely get you nowhere as all it helps you is not die and sometimes stall point.
I’m not a fan of her damage boost as pocketing is boring, so I’m hoping for a rework(though the triage healing passive, now removed, was really nice but promoted a healbot play style which felt also boring. There was also a change to the cooldown on GA which punishes you with a longer cool-down if you do more movement leaving her even more vulnerable. The only time I have fun is when I’m in valk, flying into the fight and spinning and zipping around, drawing attention from my team. I love the feeling of dodging all their attacks making use of her wings hitbox to block bullets from hitting my head. And when there’s a sniper in my range I love to sling shot and kill them. Feels nice in valk. And pulling of risky rezzes gives me so much adrenaline. Though I understand how rez just feels annoying to go against and id be completely ok to get it removed, same as dmg boost.
Yeah but that’s my experience from playing as a soloQ mercy… mixed bag of feelings
"Never gets touched" was nerfed multiple times in OW1 and multiple times in OW2 including last week and has received multiple reworks... lul
Also your point about not being able to flex to other supports in GM is bs. More than half the supports in OW are mechanically easy to get value out of and perform well in in GM. Mercy spends all game watching the teamfight unfold and thus over time learns patterns and behavior of good plays and bad plays for most heroes in the game after enough hours on her. It's very easy to go Moira, Brig, Lucio, Kiri, LW in GM and perform well because a lot of their value doesn't require insane aim and you can perform just fine. I know I'm a "rare exception !!" of a Mercy main who can aim but I also got an Ana only account to GM with relative ease because the game sense that transferred over is so helpful.
I do agree though that her OW2 movement is horribly unhealthy and way too strong and easy, it lowered her skill floor and ceiling an insane amount and raised her value level way too much. I think her new movement + rez are way unhealthier for the hero and game than damage boost is. I think if they reverted her back to OW1 movement and replaced rez with something else damage boost wouldn't be that much of an issue since she would be easier to contest and force off pocket targets and if you DID kill them she couldn't just bring them back to life.
Can't stand the victim complex you have going on though. Talking poorly about Mercy doesn't negatively impact you at all. It literally does the opposite. So many content creators farm engagement on Twitter and TH-cam by shitting on Mercy and Mercy players. It's literally one of the most common social media trends right now. Not a single content creator has ever faced actual issues or downwards engagement for shitting on Mercy, only boosts.
The nerfs back in Ow1 did nothing to her.
Mercy was a bad character only in season 1-3 of Ow1.
At season 4 she got insane buffs.
Then we had the most hated Mercy meta for many seasons.
Her „rework“ from mass rez to valk made her even stronger.
She is the reason tons of dps got nerfed because they were too good with blue beam…
So rather nerfed tons of dps heroes than Mercy.
She is the most braindead most easy to play hero in the game.
She is always low skill -> high value.
Her pure existence is value for her team. And thats the problem.
And the dmg boost nerf of 5% is a joke 😂
She needs a full rework or she needs to get deleted from the game to make the game healthier.
She is an anti skill anti competitive character.
Ain't no way Mercy players pick anything up from watching fights I don't even believe they look at them at all, infact I refuse to believe they've got eyes
but the 6 seasons she didn't get touched for made the game unplayable
@@its_lucky252 And what 6 seasons was that...?
I love the fact everyone says the mercy mafia or cult is after them....this vid has 1.3k likes to 136 dislikes....some people love to be victims. Also every time you said game sense you died stupidly.
As a mercy main i agree mercy has some problems. Mercy is easy to play and going to be honest easy to master, I think mercy is set apart buy other supports in the sense you have to micromanage the whole team. You are flying in the air so you have a better view of the battle around you. You can rank up with mercy but at some point you just can’t rank any higher, what sets high level mercy players is ironically game sense. Lower level mercy’s don’t have really any game sense imo this is the really the only thing that sets a diamond mercy and a gm1 mercy apart.
As biased as I may be I really hope there will be a fix to mercy’s skill levels and valk is relatively bad compared to other support ults imo
Thanks god someone that understand the value/skill ratio that mercy has. What that mean that mercy main are just boosted by their character, most of the time the only other character that they know how to play is moira. Which is literally the easiest character in the game, but does not have any value compared to mercy or even kiriko, so when a mercy main/otp switch to moira in your game, ggs guys it’s over.
#THOSE people will come for your head
wrong make every character mercy
I remember long time ago they nerfed Ashe damage because she could one shot people in the head with Mercy boost
THE MERCY MAFIA MIGHT FIND THIS😢😢😢
i agree with you on eveerything also u r very based for Premier Pro
I was missing your usual character reviews and I'm so glad it's this video and not just 100th person in a row crying how bad OW2 has gotten
Never gets touched? Lmao 🤣 that’s funny
How is Valkyrie OP in any way? And you know that Mercy damage boost literally got nerfed to 25%
valk isn't op but calling it bad is stupid. it makes you unkillable while buffing your stats.
@@its_lucky252 I never said it was bad. And you're not unkillable during valk at all. You just get increased GA speed, regen and your healing beam is stronger. It's still very easy to kill a Mercy using valk, hence why it's one of the weakest support ultimates
Valk is a subpar tempo ult, that's it 😭 it's nowhere near broken. And tbh the dmg boost nerf did nothing rly.
What a chad, love your stuff man, and this video is so great
We gotta protect our captain here the mercy mafia will come in force
She’s not unhealthy if she’s not the strongest hero all the way up to GM. If she’s strong In silver and gold that’s completely fine
bro thinks he knows what he's saying... homie what?
@@its_lucky252he has a point, in higher ranks it's hard to be good cause other supports are just better.
There's barely anything the other support can't do better
mercy becomes Difficult when the enemy dps have good aim :)
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I’ll be honest, I usually play mercy or zen and I agree wholeheartedly that db and discord need nerfs along with mercy’s ult, but I’m not gonna say she’s easy to play cause unless you gotta teammate near you, you’re just a free kill let’s be honest 😂
I need this video blasted everywhere. I hate that hero
Your Coping so hard in this video lmaooo
I mostly play kiri mercy and Ana and I found it so fucking dumb when ppl were complaining about her rez and dmg boost and they decided to nerf her ga pushing her to be a pocket bitch even more 💀
Counter point
Junkrat
bruh was that the darktide soundtrack at the start. 10/10
"blizzard is too scared to change her"... she's been changed 20+ times so that doesnt really make sense. Also, zen makes his ENTIRE team do 25% more damage and he can still do damage and heal. Mercy can only MOVE when giving ONE person
25% more damage. So I'm still confused as to why people talk about her more?
Because she requires no aim which the ow community regards as no skill (even though zen gets way more value than mercy with 0 skill).
@@momdad1818 It'sjust really interesting to see people complain about mercy not having to when zen can just look at you and press discord with no cooldown
finally somebody said it, thank god
I almost thought i was going crazy because i felt like i was the only one hating Mercy so much ...
Literally everyone hates her
good video on mercy as a GM DPS player myself I full heartly agreed. I am curious when you do a video of bastion (the most neglected DPS in the entire 6 years that OW has been on for.) A good general tip look at bastion actual performance and pick rate as one of the metric because you will see how much he got neglectic.
1. getting a high rank solo q on mercy is just as hard as any other character because she is SO team based and u cannot carry with her if ur team is doing poorly
2. theyre not loud theres just a lot of them so it seems loud
3. im pretty sure everyone knows shes pretty easy but u can def tell a new mercy and a experienced mercy apart, like with ur gameplay i was like wtf ru doing anyways thats it im done
Na
@@sonic_fancool1237 ya :D
Uh oh, bro is provoking the Mercy Mob
Didn't watch the video yet but I agree
I play a lot of Mercy, and I got trashed because of people thinking that I act like the bad part (paying for the actions of other, wohooo), and I say this because I honestly don't like how Mercy is in her actual state. At this point as much as I find satisfying the damage boost, I think it should be changed, it would always be really powerful unless it gets overnerfed (to like 15% boost or lower) or gets completely reworked into a cooldown or something like that.
Her Valkyre is broken on every single aspect that I don't even know how to call it. It is annoying for the enemy, unfun to fight against, being able to fly around at high mobility and even res at a much lower risk it even more broken than what it looks, the fact that she gets increased healing while using it is broken, being able to give everyone a damage boost is busted, unfun to use in general, I generally like being able to buff a teammate on a game, but for some reason it feels clumsy with Mercy in her Valkyre, the infinite ammo on her pistol I'm fine with it... or I would be if it wasn't because of everything else in combination with this.
Res was already strong, but in 5v5 is even more powerful (seriously 5v5 unbalanced a lot of heroes even without direct changes to them)
Mercy is a very easy hero to use, probably not the easiest (I still think that Soldier 76 gets that tittle), but she requires a low skill cap, it's true that when you start to play with her it can be a bit complicate to use well her mobility and when to change between heal and damage boost, but you learn very fast how to use well all of that. Honestly, I'm fine with Mercy being easy to use, requiring skill was never a real "disadvantage", the skill is not the problem, but she's just busted because of her kit.
Dude ml7 the best support player took the longest to get to gm with mercy then any other support
Carry potential and how easy they are to get a gm amount of value out of is very different
@goldfishtoast yes but mercy can't carry she has to rely on her team so much to get her value out her vlaue is tied to her team not just her shes the antithesis of a support hero
@@domicci4460 You just restated what I said its harder to carry but the skill floor is high and skill ceiling low compared to other supports so if you just play enoupg games its super easy to get a high rank
I am a medic main in TF2 and I gotta say you are right she is very easy and don't even compare her to my German doctor she is just a huge downgrade
This video is why the dislike counter was removed lol
So, my only question is why didn't you talk at all about her movement. Not a mercy main, but I play her every now and then probably my 4th most played and I feel her movemnet is her kit, she is quick to pick up and hard to master for that very reason. And the way you did talk about movement, was based on her old and none of her new stuff. Skiesti has a pretty good video on her channel about this, especially with regard to the last nerf, I'd say give it a listen, she's a top 500 support main, who makes mercy content.