Disco Elysium (LIVE) #21 | END
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ธ.ค. 2024
- Gina, Jake and Allison play Disco Elysium. Originally streamed on Twitch.
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i don't think i agree with you about the homosexual underground thing, it never felt malicious to me. it's clear that it's making fun of people who think that there's some kind of homosexual agenda or whatever. and when the thought was finished the whole conspiracy was never brought up again right? kim's gay, harry's (most likely) bi, and it's portrayed as absolutely fine
Also, what I find fascinating is that having that thought and finishing that thought doesn't have any bonuses or setbacks to your skill...
In my mind this means someone's sexuality doesn't make them better or worse... the only thing that has an effect is the discussion about it
The joke is clearly at Harry's expense: this guy's such a mess he's literally bisexual and still forgot the entire concept of queerness 😂
If your Drama is high enough it straight up tells you that it's a joke playing on Harry's ignorance.
One thing that makes me like the deserter(as an interesting character) is that he is the embodiment of the story's themes of failure, regret and then the inability to move on from it.
Harry's relationship crumbled and he couldn't move on from the pain, Revachol "can't move on'' from it's post-war limbo, and the deserter can't move on from the failure of the revolution.
So much of this game is about failure and how people in different situations deal with it, and the deserter and phasmid more or less express the idea that you should avoid losing hope and plunge into complete nihilism over those failures.
The deserter also serves an antagonist of another kind, as the game is pretty plainly, in its core, leftist and he is the ultimate critique of that certain kind of communists. If you've ever dabbled with that side of politics, you've absolutely met a person similar to him -especially within the Eastern Bloc- and he serves as the final ideological antagonist for the game and developers. The absolute perversion of leftist ideals and goals.
Yeah, the character was so well written that it elicited the exact same response from these real world social democrat/centrists as it would with an in-universe moralist. The fascist mercenary murderer rapist is humanized and sympathized but the chemically altered communist who fell to reaction and mental illness from PTSD and alienation has his dialogue literally skipped over. They are both murderers but one killed and raped countless women and children in 3rd world countries and the other killed a handful and was lecherous.
It’s just so dramatic how well it mirrors reality.
Even the pale can be interpreted as being created by these failures, the failed revolutions, and the possible futures that were lost as a result are what created the pale (or at least expanded it) in my view. Also I love the deserter, his dialogue when he's talking about what he's seen is so well written and the performance of his voice actor is fucking perfect
Honestly, that Dolores Dei scene is everything the game was building up to, and the funny thing is it is entirely missable. The overwhelming nature of despair, that nothing you can do will ever change the outcome, the immense heartbreak, the way anyone who had even the mildest of break ups will immediately relate (especially guys, it's interesting that Jake reacted the strongest to it), the political parallels with Harry as Revachol and Dolores Dei as the Coalition/Prosperity-Modernity-Progress, and so on.
One could talk about it for *days*. Or "hundreds of millions of years", lmao
Disco Elysium is single most amazing piece of art I have ever had a chance to interact with. Near the end of it I cried. Phasmid encounter was exactly what I needed.
Thank you for doing this. It was fun to watch you guys play this game together. For the ones that will replay it by themselves: there are still a few great scenes for you to see.
Disappointing, but not surprising there would be such a reactionary understanding of the deserter as a character.
Very.
What do you guys think was wrong with their take?
Also the homosexual underground clearly is a BIT about how Harry cannot understand this very basic thing.
2 years late, but Joyce didn't say that there was no native fauna - she said that there was no indigenous population of humans. It was free land for the inhabitants of Mundi to settle. The story of the discovery of Insulinde specifically mentions the Skua as the first creature encountered by the sailors.
The mention of the Pale being "human-made" by the Phasmid was as simple as it sounds. The pale is a byproduct of human consciousness, and as such it only came into existence with the dawn of humanity. Before us, Elysium was *normal*. There were no isolas - just a planet, connected and whole.
Shout-out to whoever said y'all were 40 minutes from the end of the game last stream XD
Evrart Claire asked Dros to shoot the former union leader- I forget how you get him to basically imply he did it so you can connect the dots.
I think they had to talk to Evrart about the former union leader in order to talk to him about it, which they didn't do.
Slight side note, it was Edgar Claire, the twin you don't meet, who is "the real brains" according to Dros, who makes this request.
@@ninja34744 you mean the twin we do meet, cuz Edgar has a lazy eye, just like the "Evrart" we meet does
@@lov_eli It is never specified which brother has the lazy eye. The quote referencing it is from Joyce and can be read either way: ""Edgar looks *exactly* like his brother, except for that lazy eye. He also *talks* exactly like Evrart does. And when one's term as foreman is up, the other takes over.""
having jake call-out my username right at the beginning was more than a wakeup call i needed but i did run out of battery halfway through. glad to be finishing it up now!
HOLY SHIT
I know I'm years late on this but just started the stream and watched them walk right past Titus and the surviving Hardy Boys and Cindy's graffito and am just screaming.
I was really struggling with parts of this game and I couldn’t figure out why until the end of this with everyone breaking it down! Omg yes!
Aside from like one or two little things in the whole game (that personally I didn't really mind but to each their own), I'd honestly say that this is 100% the best written game. I love narrative based games and I can't think of a single one that comes close. I mean, it's essentially an interactive book written by book writers. I think it actually passed one of the longest books in word count. One of the LOTR books I think?
Homie, it's not just one book. It has more words written in it then all of the Harry Potter books combined. Knowing that, it definitely has more words than all LOTR books combined as well.
It’s been one hell of a great experience watching you play!
Go Kurt Disco!
the game clearly has a LOT to say, especially about politics, interpersonal relationships, class struggle, and queerness in a world that isn't always kind to it. The team thanked Mark and Engels when they won a reward for it, so clearly they have a love for communism and socialism. But they also grew up in a failed poverty-stricken soviet state so they also recognize the failure those political views have been painted in. Theres a longing, a hopefulness to disco elysium which never once flinches away from the dark reality of humanity, but also champions it at the same time. Its an utterly complex, ubsurd thing to be human and your meeting of the phasmid puts that into words. Love this game to death. So glad yall could play it and enjoy it ^_^
also when you look at characters like measure head, or the snivvling weasley cryptozoologist guy who self flaggelates while treating nationalism as a boys club, CLEARLY the writers of this game think racism is absurd and the people who engage in it are comicly stupid at best, horrific mass murderers at worst.
I hope you replay the game after some time. Not a stream, just another go, with a different build and seeing how things play out, doing all those small quests you missed or were too afraid to do.
As an example just gonna point out asking the widow on a date can lead to incredibly heartwarming moment.
I agree with most of the perspectives you guys had. If I could add anything or just give my opinion I think the story was about like “human error”. Like jealousy, power, greed, never satiated hunger for more even at the cost of the rest of the world. Like the 2 factions were fighting each other for what they wanted, the boat lady and the container guy were both on the surface honest and open with Harry and Kim but they had negative intentions. The mercenary was a r***ist and the roof girl was like just dealing with her hard life so she didn’t care what he did to her as long as she could hide. Then at the end one of you guys said it right. The Deserter, he did choose to go to that island and give up society and all he was left with was resentment, hate, and anger. I can relate to him on some extent because I was in the Army for awhile and transitioning back to civilian life was hard for awhile and if you don’t make an effort to move forward you can get frustrated and angry. I couldn’t imagine holding onto that anger for like 30/40/50 years though and the peeping, stalking, and killing from being jealous is trash. But then finding out the Stick Bug was partially the cause of it (?) I wasn’t sure by the end. Like he felt those feelings it just was the Stick Bug exaggerated them (?)
Idk The Deserter as creepy and bitter as he was, it was just a recipe for disaster. Like if a WW2/Vietnam vet that lived under a bridge because he couldn’t take living in society just happened to live next to that Stick Bug he would get his brain fried and do basically the same thing. Sometimes those people’s PTSD is so bad they want to live outside even when help is offered. But the Stick Bug was only trying to hide from humans because he saw that they destroy everything is what he said. It was like a human cause that made him create that defense and the bug said him and 2 other species of the ET bugs all believe humans started The Pale or at least brought it with them.
5:40:40 Here she comes for another go. Girl child revolution.
Good playthrough. I love how much you get into the games you play.
Loved yall screaming over the emotional climax of the boat ride and song
what a wild ride
I relate so much to Harry. A bad breakup sent me down a baaad downward spiral.
I loved your whole playthrought
Sad that you guys didn’t like the deserter. He’s the best and most important part of the entire game. Communism is there the whole time.
They seemed more fixated on him being misogynist than the fact that he murdered hella people lol
@@SolidSnake240Yea it was a virtue signal fest.
Please, *please* do Wildermyth next! It would lend itself so well to how thoughtfully you navigate character decisions.
I had no idea that the phasmid's dialogue changes according to your political ideology. I didn't get to talk to it during my communist run so it never told me to go forward for the working class.
This is one of the best DE LPs on TH-cam and should have more views. Well done.
Really glad you enjoyed this! Disco Elysium is an incredibly special game for me, so watching you play through it was a delight. Couldn't watch live (you started at 3am for me!), but I did eagerly watch the VOD about an hour after you finished!
**spoilers!**
It's been fascinating seeing how you approached the content in the game, and how it differed from my experience. You dug in a *lot* more and found out stuff I simply did not know existed - like the final dream sequence, and finding a "solution" to the strike. The ending itself was an interesting experience for me, as I was also annoyed that it as a "out of nowhere" culprit, but as with your stream, the plasmid saved the day. What the plasmid says near the end of its convo is strongly tailored to how you play, and for me it was a genuine emotional gutpunch that was overwhelmingly validating. It told me I was a good detective. And I genuinely cried.
Regarding the killer, my personal takeaway from it was that the devs intentionally put in a more "realistic", boring, and disappointing result that genuine cop work often results in as a way to echo the themes of disappointment and disillusionment that the experience otherwise explores... *hopefully* contrasted by the subsequent arrival of the plasmid that serves as a more cathartic climax. The fact that one can miss the plasmid does make me question this decision a fair bit, and I fully agree that just a tiny bit of foreshadowing would have gone a long way to remedy the problematic reveal. I had a friend who got to that scene, and the plasmid just ran away... and that was all he got. Not exactly a pleasant conclusion.
It is also interesting that your playthrough revealed some things I actively don't like about the game - in particular the game's seeming inability to discuss certain female characters without heavily objectifying them. In my playthrough it didn't come across nearly as strongly, but that convo with your pre-kim partner at the end, where he describes your wife, was not something I'd seen before and it genuinely knocked my love for the game down a notch. It felt like an oddly focused and consistent trait injected into the writing.
WHat a bunch of nonsense.
Is The Deserter lying about everything he is saying? no in my opinion in this fictional world of Disco Elysium it pretty al true.
Harry is 44