Transcribed a small section: "Years ago, before I had the Kiloby centre, before I worked there, I did private sessions every day, usually on Skype or something like that. I met a man one day and he went into a very very elaborate conversation about the nature of reality, about the stages of evolution of consciousness, about male and female energy, and he literally was just mapping out the universe in front of me. It was like...have you been in those conversations that aren't conversations, you know? Where someone is speaking to you so much it's kind of like a monologue? What came up for me was like “What is going on? Something is going on here”; because the conversation was interesting but it was like we weren't getting to the point. So after fifteen or twenty minutes of him speaking endlessly about the whole nature of the universe, I said “But what do you think is wrong with you?”. And then there was a long silence, and then he just cried and cried - I swear he cried for about ten minutes - and finally he said “I hate myself and I want to die”. I said “Well can we focus on that?” You know? Can we focus on that instead of the elaborate conceptual framework for the world because I think you're going to go deeper if you focus on that? I came to find out he had been molested and there had been trauma in his background and he had used his mind as a way to overcompensate and protect himself from the pain, and he needed to see that to go deeper. So that's one little caveat about non-duality. Be careful. I can be intellectual too. I'm a trained attorney and I love that stuff, but I'm also very wary of learning these concepts as a way to protect yourself from having to feel and work through these deep bodily and past issues."
Very profound talk. I recognize myself as clinging to the transcendent or to conceptual elaborations in order to avoid what is going on inside my person.
Scott, I have following Integral Theory since being introduced to Ken Wilber's work in 2003. John Dupey and Guy du Plesis, both who have written about Integral Recovery. Thanks for you talk and your story! The journey continues!
For me the link between trauma and addiction couldn't be more obvious. What I wonder about is the cause of addiction in the larger percentage of addicts that are free of histories of significant (emotional) trauma?
@@williamcallahan5218 Repeated experiences for many years of emotional and-or physical events and atmosphere that would cause various symptoms at the time and ongoing that include a whole raft of things like disassociation, hypervigilancy, depression, constant anxiety, as well as all the effects on the body such as digestion issues, various body armoring unconscious types. genes getting turned on and off etc.
+Jak pokonałem raka ...hmmm, well I'm wondering what you think is the difference between spiritual and psychological? Do you think the spiritual realm is a place or simply perspective states of mind? Without requiring an answer I'll just say that "emigration" into the spiritual realm *is* a reprogramming. You're making a psychological shift. In realization certain problems that were thought to exist pre-realization, become negated. Isn't spiritual work also psychological work. It seems to me that many people I see in some of these non dualistic circles make spirituality out to be some kind of magical thing. The only thing esoteric, secret or mystical is that one just doesn't have the education and experience, but once you know, you know. Or am I missing something here and misreading your statement?
+kadmonzohar2 What I mean is: even high-format spiritual teachers develop diseases (leukemia, diabetes...) because they havent't healed their emotional wounds (typically from early childhood). I meet such people in my practice.
Jak pokonałem raka...I see, I guess it's more complicated than we can put in words in a chat. Apparently these teachers still have more work to do with meditation and study toward self realization and further to that phenomenon of the opening of the lotus flower. It seems then, you know not so much what to do, but how to do. We all have different experience and I do not want to come across like I know anything special but I'm just putting in my own two cents but know it is in a spirit of kindness and not to debate a right or wrong point.
Jak pokonałem raka...this seems to be more about healing of trauma and not so much diseases that might have nothing to do with psychological harmony, but simply genetic or an environmental happening.
+kadmonzohar2 It's mostly driven by thoughts. As long as the remnants of trauma are in your mind, you focus your thoughts on them and thus breed disease. We ARE powerful creators. Absolutely "in a spirit of kindness" :)
Transcribed a small section:
"Years ago, before I had the Kiloby centre, before I worked there, I did private sessions every day, usually on Skype or something like that. I met a man one day and he went into a very very elaborate conversation about the nature of reality, about the stages of evolution of consciousness, about male and female energy, and he literally was just mapping out the universe in front of me. It was like...have you been in those conversations that aren't conversations, you know? Where someone is speaking to you so much it's kind of like a monologue? What came up for me was like “What is going on? Something is going on here”; because the conversation was interesting but it was like we weren't getting to the point.
So after fifteen or twenty minutes of him speaking endlessly about the whole nature of the universe, I said “But what do you think is wrong with you?”. And then there was a long silence, and then he just cried and cried - I swear he cried for about ten minutes - and finally he said “I hate myself and I want to die”. I said “Well can we focus on that?” You know? Can we focus on that instead of the elaborate conceptual framework for the world because I think you're going to go deeper if you focus on that?
I came to find out he had been molested and there had been trauma in his background and he had used his mind as a way to overcompensate and protect himself from the pain, and he needed to see that to go deeper.
So that's one little caveat about non-duality. Be careful. I can be intellectual too. I'm a trained attorney and I love that stuff, but I'm also very wary of learning these concepts as a way to protect yourself from having to feel and work through these deep bodily and past issues."
Very profound talk. I recognize myself as clinging to the transcendent or to conceptual elaborations in order to avoid what is going on inside my person.
wow really deep work. Thanks Scott
Beautiful and very honest speech. Thank you very much!
Scott, I have following Integral Theory since being introduced to Ken Wilber's work in 2003. John Dupey and Guy du Plesis, both who have written about Integral Recovery. Thanks for you talk and your story! The journey continues!
Wonderful, thank you Scott!
Thank you very much!!!! ❤
Est ce qu il y a un centre sur Bordeaux France qui aide à se libérer ainsi?
Good talk....
For me the link between trauma and addiction couldn't be more obvious. What I wonder about is the cause of addiction in the larger percentage of addicts that are free of histories of significant (emotional) trauma?
Thank you for Scott's engaging revelations. Does anyone know if a Kiloby facility is here in Australia, please?
Are there any spiritual teachers who had a traumatic childhood?
Andrew Richey most of them...
@@arany5123 Well I guess I know of some of the Advaita ones and they don't -cant recall other fields
Scott kiloby comes to mind
what is your idea of a "traumatic" childhood. I mean that term would apply to most of the folks in the third world?
@@williamcallahan5218 Repeated experiences for many years of emotional and-or physical events and atmosphere that would cause various symptoms at the time and ongoing that include a whole raft of things like disassociation, hypervigilancy, depression, constant anxiety, as well as all the effects on the body such as digestion issues, various body armoring unconscious types. genes getting turned on and off etc.
Richard who?
Claude LeBel Richard Miller - there is another sand video ‘conversation on trauma and spirituality ‘ with four of them .
"letting the energy tell the story"... So, science includes that ability to examine a theory and the potential for falsification...
Emotional wounds CANNOT be healed via "emigration" into the spiritual realm. The subconscious HAS to be reprogrammed.
+Jak pokonałem raka ...hmmm, well I'm wondering what you think is the difference between spiritual and psychological? Do you think the spiritual realm is a place or simply perspective states of mind? Without requiring an answer I'll just say that "emigration" into the spiritual realm *is* a reprogramming. You're making a psychological shift. In realization certain problems that were thought to exist pre-realization, become negated. Isn't spiritual work also psychological work. It seems to me that many people I see in some of these non dualistic circles make spirituality out to be some kind of magical thing. The only thing esoteric, secret or mystical is that one just doesn't have the education and experience, but once you know, you know. Or am I missing something here and misreading your statement?
+kadmonzohar2 What I mean is: even high-format spiritual teachers develop diseases (leukemia, diabetes...) because they havent't healed their emotional wounds (typically from early childhood). I meet such people in my practice.
Jak pokonałem raka...I see, I guess it's more complicated than we can put in words in a chat. Apparently these teachers still have more work to do with meditation and study toward self realization and further to that phenomenon of the opening of the lotus flower. It seems then, you know not so much what to do, but how to do. We all have different experience and I do not want to come across like I know anything special but I'm just putting in my own two cents but know it is in a spirit of kindness and not to debate a right or wrong point.
Jak pokonałem raka...this seems to be more about healing of trauma and not so much diseases that might have nothing to do with psychological harmony, but simply genetic or an environmental happening.
+kadmonzohar2 It's mostly driven by thoughts. As long as the remnants of trauma are in your mind, you focus your thoughts on them and thus breed disease. We ARE powerful creators.
Absolutely "in a spirit of kindness" :)