Hello everyone, First of all, we want to thank ShortCircuit for featuring our Holo Fan. This is our first-generation product, and we've faced numerous challenges along the way, from cost considerations to fan speed, noise control, and holographic projection quality. But we’re not discouraged! We'll take your feedback to heart, keep improving, and continue creating more innovative and fun products. Thank you so much for your support! Best regards, COOLIFY Team.
@@deltasixgaming Thank you so much! We're thrilled that you like it. We can't wait to show you what we have in store and the improvements we're working on!
If you do something similar to attach to the case glass side panel to display holograms, we're sold, and you guys are going to get rich. If you do, please send me some products. I want dancing waifus all around :D
It does not have to be thin, but variable RPM via PWM should be the obvious next step hardware-wise, while a snappy Windows app with decent UI (& preferably without wifi access) should have been a given.
PWM Case/Radiator Clearance Usable Windows/Linux App w/o Always-on Internet requirements If Coolify can do all that for this fan while keeping the price per fan below $60, I’d get it.
It hasn't? I mean the technology has been around for decades, it just was never that interesting. Especially when you consider how cheap and small quality screens are now, you can just have a direct display on your CPU cooler without fiddling with this.
Yeah, unfortunately, I don't think the gimmick on its own is enough. Currently, one might as well just buy a tiny screen and have that separately rather than that fancy jet engine. Less sketchy connectivity too...
Yeah I remember hearing years ago that apparently blades of any kind are banned at LTT and it has lead to a lot of use of keys and other objects to cut stuff with. I figured it was some Canadian barbarism at work.
I had been thinking of something like this for years and the only thing I could find remotely close was a 92mm fan from over 15 years ago and had long since been discontinued. I'm glad to see someone with actual competency bring it to market.
30 year old tech, the cooling tech and the holograms tech, it's just the first time someone thought to combine them... Besides, in either China or Japan I'm sure someone was making them years ago. You can get the same thing for bicycle wheels as well.
I remember going to a lan party around the mid 2000's and one guy had a fan like this with just red led's, it didn't have any led's in the hub area of the fan either, just where the blades are and it would show cpu temps and other data, I guess the upgrade now is that they can show full colour video but I hope the upcoming computer software makes it possible to show data again.
Why is everyone acting like this is a new thing? I have a ~5 year old, 15$ deskfan from amazon that does the same thing, including PWN control, the only thing it can't do is change the image, but it does stabilize itself on every speed it can output.
Why did this take so long! My Uncle had a clock like this over 20 years ago! Also... you have an entire computer there to calculate the image refresh to compensate for variable RPM... if an RC Car ESC can measure speed just by the magnetic poles then you can do it with a Fan. Yes, it would cost more... but you're buying a fan that generates an image... money clearly isn't high on your list of worries.
@@CLfreak246 Well, a new blood taking thermaltake's almost 20 year old technology, the ThermalTake iFlash+, and upgrading some parts of it, like full colour LED's that even span the hub of the fan, I just hope the fix the connectivity on these, no wifi please and make it possible to display data like cpu temps and so on like thermaltake's ones did all that time ago.
Whoever did the software on the display deserves a round of applause. Even when the fan was grinding against the metal of the case, the display actually showed the correct image.
8:20 When you put a resistor cable inline, you are lowering the voltage of the logic board too, not just the fan. I bet the rear fan is running at full speed.
That wouldn't matter, like pretty much all devices an engineer knows will be connected to 8-14volts - there would be a linear voltage regulator inside that is producing 3.3 and/or 5volt for running main microprocesor, wifi etc, as long as the voltage is 5.5volts and above then the 5volt regulator will function.
@@tobiasjames6949 Its proably NOT an LDO(costs a few pennies more but you know how that goes). Most likley they run at 5v and the regulator needs +3v to regulate properly hence the 8+ volts minimum. The displays look very nice. They need to change to BLE or USB as someone said AND a few minor tweaks to run the fan from PWM inputs instead of locked and they have a winner IMHO.
Having constructed mainly clean builds since my first DIY in 2002, I have finally caved during my latest two builds. They both have the Deepcool LT720 infinity mirror cpu block cover, and I just need to stare at them everytime I have to reach under my desk.
They need those magnetic pin style interconnects like some of the other fan manufacturers have, and USB to connect to the system. It would be really cool if you could play a video across three fans turning the entire front panel into a screen. It would have lots of gaps of course, but you could totally use it for some interesting stuff and it's a heck of a lot less gimmicky than just strapping a screen to the AIO block.
Ah dang, I thought these would have the images directly projected on the fan blades themselves with some rapid-refresh magic to show the patterns, quite like the Wraith Prism's USB mode. But yeah, love the concept. This would be awesome to have dynamic elements on them like RPM gauges or temperature displays. Feels like a straight upgrade over those screen-hub fans if you can pull that off, by having the entire fan area be a functional display surface. Definitely potential here.
You should be able to get all the way down to 7V on most MOBO if you switch your fan control to DC mode, at least ma gigabyte b650 still has that function. Pity that connection issues are so bad
My newest MB supports such voltage regulation on every header, but I have an old MB which only does PWM. That was maddening, because my CPU fans at the time were 2400 RPM non PWM. I Listened to those screaming bastards for WAY too mong! When I finally bought a cheap fan controller it was almost a religious experience.
This is old tech brought up to newer standards. For a long time, there was some cheap "LED Message" fans for both PC and USB use that allowed for very basic floating messages. The LED strips were only attached to one or two blades, but never crossed the hub. At least these can be used as floating screens of sorts, not that it looks very useful as-is. The fans really should have had a dedicated USB attachment (and basic daisy-chaining to permit controlling of each fan akin to the Lian Li LCDs) to allow direct PC control of the fans; at least pre-programmed speeds and faster updating of the displays to show off various video or still images.
So the idea of reusing the spinning that your product already does inherently to run a persistence display is actually really cool, and perhaps in the future it will be possible to put the LEDs directly on the edge of a pair of blades. This implementation isn't great, but for people who want a fancy PC I can see the cool factor being worth it, especially with improvement. For the issue of the image breaking on variable RPM and the difficulty of fixing it, they could consider operating the fan at fixed speeds by interpreting a PWM signal instead of using it as-is; Corsair's maglev fans already do this, as they will refuse to go below a certain RPM since the technology wouldn't work. For control, if putting a USB port on each fan is not feasible, there are two options: abuse the F out of PWM to send signals, or to make it fancy, integrate a somewhat powerful NFC tag near the hub that allows the user to program the fan by proximity without having to outright touch it (NFC can work at up to 10cm). While bandwidth and tag storage are a limit, an active tag could transfer the data to the fan in realtime, and the images have to be like 96x96 pixels anyways so they won't be that large. Alternatively NFC can be used to bootstrap a Bluetooth connection without needing the user to mess around (wi-fi for this is ridiculous).
Initial reaction: shut up and take my money Second reaction: ouch they're a bit loud and they seem to use quite a bit of power (because of the POV LEDs) Then: sideloaded app and connecting via wifi. ow dear.
Can't wait to see how these and competitors' versions turn out. Not usually impressed by gimmicks but I would love holo fans on the front of my case. I went from being an RGB fan to not a couple of years ago, and now I'm kind of back into it again. Definitely keeping an eye on this
love the idea, as everyone is saying it does need improvement but i'm 1000% getting some of these in the future when they get ironed out some more (whether its from coolify or if a reputable brand uses the idea) the hologram effect is wonderfully cyberpunk and has so much potential, especially if they can sync up with each other (think like, a dragon or something flying between them)
I have a cyberpunk theme build (genre, not game) and these would be the perfect thing if they were a bit better. Syncing image across fan would amazing.
Man you are so natural as a host now. Your confidence levels have skyrocketed since I first started watching you eons ago. Hell there’s even a difference between now and just a year ago. Go Alex, go!
Now a bit more math added for future versions... Get eg. a goldfish to swim free around from lower fan, to middle fan, and up to the top... Like a holo aquarium 😀
Typically you don’t get 9v from a computer. He is correct. You can get DC fans that operate in different voltage ranges. But a two wire connection like this fan is and not a PMW, you are going to strictly use 12v. Or it will be from a molex connector which will also be strictly 12v. A PMW fan is one you can alter the voltage which will increase or decrease the speed of the fan. A DC fan is made to operate at a certain voltage, operating and a higher or lower voltage will create electrical noise and the higher the voltage, the more you risk burning out the motor from over voltage.
@@PTRRanger951 word word words. I'm aware of all that, which is why I said DC Fan mode. That implies I know about PWM, and it being 12v and everything else you said.
@@PTRRanger951 A PWM fan does not alter the voltage level, it alters time between on and off for the 12volts, hence PWM. DC fan head control has been around for ever, maybe dissapearing from motherboards to reduce the need for large mosfets near the fan header but still was used in some use cases - the platform chip connected via SMbus would determine what sort of control could be set - i did this back in C2D e8400 days where I had silverstone case fans that were all 3 wire, and the only PWM was the CPU fan itself. Unfortuniatly these days, it seems platform control chips are hampered from factory - relying on crappy bios curves to control the fans instead of being able to control it properly with software, one the of best is Speedfan.exe where I have one setup that GPU die temp can be used to automate case fans.
@@sarahjrandomnumbershowever what you said was wrong. You actually do not get 9v from a computer. You get 12v. You need a controller to change the voltage, therefore it’s coming from a controller, not the computer.
@@PTRRanger951Gigabyte mobos had voltage control for ages. You don't need your fan to have PWM to control it, and it also can run at any % of power, including fully stopped and barely rotating.
3dB is always a doubling (or technically multiplied by 10^0.3). A 20dB increase is 100 times (10^2.0) as much. There are no thresholds with dB, nor with any other logarithmic scale.
I would guess, the image is synced to the BLDC driver in the fan. But when you physically interrupt the fan blades the BLDC driver has to resync, so the image goes wonky. Understandable. The fact it works down to 9v indicates this is likely the case. Also going to low on voltage is probably an issue with that many RGB Leds being driven if they didnt design it to run at those lower voltages. Probably willl fix it by putting a boost regulator in the display side, and adding a PWM pin would be pretty simple. Best looking persistence of vision display I've seen in a long while. Especially the full color images(or you are much better at videoing them than others have been :) ).
Noise tests are normally done from 1M away and not 1ft. Should be more than 3 times the distance so that's not accurate, additionally the PC behind it is on which clearly shouldn't be if you want a fair reading. The stats of the Noise for the fan will be measured at 1M and not 30 cms
A pretty cool concept and arguably cheaper than adding screens to your PC aesthetic. It just needs one of the more reputable brands to adapt it and refine it a bit more before releasing to the market.
You'd think that the POV math would work with the Tach signal or a hall-effect rotary encoder built in, so that no matter how fast it spins it would always render the same image.
I thought they would actually be holograms, like 3d n shit, but it's just a rotating one dimensional array of leds, which doesn't roll off the tongue as well I suppose.
The formula for decibels is: dB=10*log(I/Iref), I being the intensity So 20 dB means I=100Iref Or Final intensity is hundred times the reference intensity
This makes me wonder now, if the holographic performance would do better if the lighting was handled by the same number of LEDs interspersed around the circumference of the fan rather than a straight line. That may reduce image distortion between fan speed adjustments, and if the fans were able to be attached via USB for the data stream then it could act as a USB-attached display. If Coolify wants to make this _even cooler_ they could have fans attached via USB and mandate use of a USB-attached type-E USB type-C hub to redirect the mainboard type-E connection into that with a short length of E-to-E cable, then have the type-E cable from a case's front panel be attached to the hub's other type-E socket.
For the led vs hologram, maybe hologram on fan is a sweet spot of pricing vs sizing. Cuz if you imagine a giant fan to display image, it would make no sense.
@@1405dic That's uh, not exactly what I meant. Maybe I needed to clarify; there would still be the need to create a functional fan, but the fan could have LEDs which spiral out from the centre. Not sure how they'd be able to do it, but the way this is done presently would exhibit challenges on PWM control where a spiral layout would… _less_ if the math were adjusted per-LED.
Seen how this tech has been around for some time now and there are multiple such holo "screens" around, it was a matter of time before it would end up on a fan. And honestly, i don't mind it. I mean, the Lian Li fans with screens are awesome, the infinity RGB on the side is also very cool, but they're expensive, and frankly, this holo idea might just look even more futuristic, depending on your build it might fit even better, especially if you have a Cyberpunk or general mech or high tech theme in your case or something. And you can do funny stuff with this "screen" all the same, but now bigger. Unless you have a dedicated screen in your case already, but this being on a fan, yeah, i kind of like it. A newer version with maybe better fan speed control, mostly for noise, would be cool, also, i still kind of would prefer software for my PC to run this, to upload whatever you want it to show, i want it to not be as shady as sideloading an app, and i have an iPhone, but yeah, that software can also be shady, and too many of those programs can drain a lot of resources compared to what it does, which is a shame. In any case, that clearly needs some more work, buuuuut, if they get this done right, they might sell a lot of these, depending on the price. I wouldn't mind them.
Ok, so they're not 100% there yet but the idea is awesome, they just need a bit of refinement and the rear one shows they can do it. Like everyone is saying a pwn signal and a better app and it's gold. Hopefully there's an easy way to make custom vids, who wouldn't want a logo, or symbol for theme builds. I'm trying to do a star trek build atm, even just one these fans with the starfleet logo would look awesome.
Uh. These existed about 15 years ago, and they were usb controlled (they still were terrible to work with). I don’t remember what they were called but they cost $80 each in 2010 money and the fan performance was equivalent to a $2 fan. Edit: they also only showed a prebaked image or text. It was 2010.
Oh sweet. When my buddy bought his AORUS RTX 2080 I was amazed at the Holo-LED effects on the fans. Was really hoping for full POV-Displays when 30 series launched but meh - nothing happened and all the fun customization went away. Now this comes up. Let's wait for Corsair or LianLi to implement this into their Gaming-Suite and you will have a deal :-D
I already see 2 solutions that were overlooked designing this that would improve sound & lighting, this isn't even my area of expertise but hopefully they spot the solutions for version 2.
Can we just have LTT follow up should coolify bring out a gen 2? Would love to see what they do and I'm already considering getting this version anyways. Also, imagine being able to transplant the fans and their necessary components onto your gpu fans. Freaking awesome
I mean, to be fair, you measured the decibels with it next to a running computer with a bunch more fans that are also running at whatever RPM. I feel like that could realistically add ~20db to the reading. That is pretty dope though, but yeah the possibility of just being stuck with a bunch of fans that just have glowing "COOLIFY" logos on them is pretty lame, not really big into displaying company logos on my rig no matter how flashy and neat the tech is. Maybe when they've refined the design a bit more I might pick some up... when they're on sale.
I've had a large one of these on my wall for years. And predicted/called for these long ago. Pretty dope if they can actually move enough volume of air
How does the display spin without any cables twisting? Data's over wifi, but what about power? Is there a wireless charger in the hub and a battery in the blade, or is the display powered mechanically by the motor?
I think it will be a trend for a year or two and that's it. They are more expensive than regular/better fans and there's no real purpose for it. I think they will start to annoy people after a while.
3:21 isn’t 10 db the threshold for “double volume” while 3db is a much more scientific measurement? Feel like whichever number you use you’d have people telling you you’re wrong, but I think 10 is more correct if you’re talking about the perceived volume of a fan
Hello everyone,
First of all, we want to thank ShortCircuit for featuring our Holo Fan. This is our first-generation product, and we've faced numerous challenges along the way, from cost considerations to fan speed, noise control, and holographic projection quality. But we’re not discouraged! We'll take your feedback to heart, keep improving, and continue creating more innovative and fun products. Thank you so much for your support!
Best regards,
COOLIFY Team.
This is a really neat product.
Im buying some i think its a Really Cool Product and I can't wait to see what you come out with and the Improvements
@@kellymoses8566 Thanks a lot! We're really glad you like it.🙌🙌
@@deltasixgaming Thank you so much! We're thrilled that you like it. We can't wait to show you what we have in store and the improvements we're working on!
If you do something similar to attach to the case glass side panel to display holograms, we're sold, and you guys are going to get rich. If you do, please send me some products. I want dancing waifus all around :D
I unironically like these alot. Give it a PWM signal, make it a bit thinner, and have a usable windows UI - id be sold.
It does not have to be thin, but variable RPM via PWM should be the obvious next step hardware-wise, while a snappy Windows app with decent UI (& preferably without wifi access) should have been a given.
Don't make it an app, make it show up as a USB drive you can drag and drop jpegs/mp4s to
PWM
Case/Radiator Clearance
Usable Windows/Linux App w/o Always-on Internet requirements
If Coolify can do all that for this fan while keeping the price per fan below $60, I’d get it.
So, make it a worse fan, make the POV display non functional (because it won't work with pwm) and you're sold?
@@ConsecDesignI think what is meant is a spoof PWM pinout that actually does nothing?
Has just occured to me: "why has this taken so long?"
Ikr... it's the best place to place that tech...
Nothing new... had those in the early 2000's
@@goligogo923 But now they have WiFi that is partially functional. Progress.
It hasn't? I mean the technology has been around for decades, it just was never that interesting. Especially when you consider how cheap and small quality screens are now, you can just have a direct display on your CPU cooler without fiddling with this.
I would rather be able to control my fan speed than to have this stuck at 100% all the time 😂
this clearly is Minimal viable product, and needs a proper version for it to work, but it looks cool
Yeah, unfortunately, I don't think the gimmick on its own is enough. Currently, one might as well just buy a tiny screen and have that separately rather than that fancy jet engine. Less sketchy connectivity too...
@7:32 switching to iPhone will never make it better 😢
The hologram arguably looks better without the plastic panel you removed.
Agreed
I wonder what's the downside of not having it
@@2012Accounts it probably protects the LEDs
It looks totally identical to me idk man
@@kingoftherevolution4855 yeah it is identical
Time for those anime girls to dance in the cases lol!
no
@@buff9267 erm, yes.
@@buff9267 myes actually
Less anime girls and more silly little critters, but yes, I agree with this sentiment.
@@buff9267 yes
"you can pry my beige Noctua fans from my cold dead hands". Jokes aside these do look cool.....
Didn't expect Skillet here, but I like it!
0:11 That knife bending was terrifying
Yeah I remember hearing years ago that apparently blades of any kind are banned at LTT and it has lead to a lot of use of keys and other objects to cut stuff with.
I figured it was some Canadian barbarism at work.
Looks like an iFixit Jimmy / Spudger tool
Definitely is as someone who's tried to cut something open with one @@mrrants
As someone who's seen a lot of "incidents" due to knives while working retail, I thought the same thing. That was sketchy as fuck.
I bet he was picked last during gym class
Cool, but no way im using a wifi app to control FANS, no fucking way.
at least they don't connect to the internet, I guess
really should be BLE at worst though (and at best, chainable and with USB)
8:57 They falsely advertise PWM right there.
I had been thinking of something like this for years and the only thing I could find remotely close was a 92mm fan from over 15 years ago and had long since been discontinued.
I'm glad to see someone with actual competency bring it to market.
30 year old tech, the cooling tech and the holograms tech, it's just the first time someone thought to combine them... Besides, in either China or Japan I'm sure someone was making them years ago. You can get the same thing for bicycle wheels as well.
I remember going to a lan party around the mid 2000's and one guy had a fan like this with just red led's, it didn't have any led's in the hub area of the fan either, just where the blades are and it would show cpu temps and other data, I guess the upgrade now is that they can show full colour video but I hope the upcoming computer software makes it possible to show data again.
not the first time
first time... if you haven't seen the thermaltake blue orb
These fans would be great to spice up an arcade cabinet with. Arcades are usually super fucking loud anyway, these fans won't be heard
That's actually a really good idea. I've had a virtual pinball cabinet in the works for awhile. Flashy fans like these would be perfect for it.
Why is everyone acting like this is a new thing? I have a ~5 year old, 15$ deskfan from amazon that does the same thing, including PWN control, the only thing it can't do is change the image, but it does stabilize itself on every speed it can output.
0:33 That is extremely low cfm for the rpm. "Regular" fans should have around 80 cfm at that speed
Why did this take so long! My Uncle had a clock like this over 20 years ago!
Also... you have an entire computer there to calculate the image refresh to compensate for variable RPM... if an RC Car ESC can measure speed just by the magnetic poles then you can do it with a Fan. Yes, it would cost more... but you're buying a fan that generates an image... money clearly isn't high on your list of worries.
These fans were a thing in PCs 18 years ago. Look up the Thermaltake Cyclo LED fan.
01:26 ... and the power of friendship! 😸
I guess these would be kind of cool if they came from a real fan company like Noctua or Be Quiet! and with real software.
Give them some time. Coolify is new blood (recently opened 2024), but weren’t all companies before them the same?
@@CLfreak246 Well, a new blood taking thermaltake's almost 20 year old technology, the ThermalTake iFlash+, and upgrading some parts of it, like full colour LED's that even span the hub of the fan, I just hope the fix the connectivity on these, no wifi please and make it possible to display data like cpu temps and so on like thermaltake's ones did all that time ago.
as long as its not corsair or Logitech with their shitty software.
The two fan companies that does not even do RGB doing this lmao
Dynatron is the OEM for these, and they're a massive, very old fan company. Software will come, these are a brand new release.
Whoever did the software on the display deserves a round of applause. Even when the fan was grinding against the metal of the case, the display actually showed the correct image.
You can clearly see how unbalanced the fan is. That probably contributes a lot to the noise
I expect to see a row of these as the signage of LTT's physical store as a janky solution, and a video!😂😂I'm sure you guys could figure it out.
8:20 When you put a resistor cable inline, you are lowering the voltage of the logic board too, not just the fan. I bet the rear fan is running at full speed.
That wouldn't matter, like pretty much all devices an engineer knows will be connected to 8-14volts - there would be a linear voltage regulator inside that is producing 3.3 and/or 5volt for running main microprocesor, wifi etc, as long as the voltage is 5.5volts and above then the 5volt regulator will function.
With the low noise adapter it didnt work at all. So i doubt thats it
@@tobiasjames6949 Its proably NOT an LDO(costs a few pennies more but you know how that goes). Most likley they run at 5v and the regulator needs +3v to regulate properly hence the 8+ volts minimum. The displays look very nice. They need to change to BLE or USB as someone said AND a few minor tweaks to run the fan from PWM inputs instead of locked and they have a winner IMHO.
Having constructed mainly clean builds since my first DIY in 2002, I have finally caved during my latest two builds. They both have the Deepcool LT720 infinity mirror cpu block cover, and I just need to stare at them everytime I have to reach under my desk.
They need those magnetic pin style interconnects like some of the other fan manufacturers have, and USB to connect to the system. It would be really cool if you could play a video across three fans turning the entire front panel into a screen. It would have lots of gaps of course, but you could totally use it for some interesting stuff and it's a heck of a lot less gimmicky than just strapping a screen to the AIO block.
Ah dang, I thought these would have the images directly projected on the fan blades themselves with some rapid-refresh magic to show the patterns, quite like the Wraith Prism's USB mode. But yeah, love the concept. This would be awesome to have dynamic elements on them like RPM gauges or temperature displays. Feels like a straight upgrade over those screen-hub fans if you can pull that off, by having the entire fan area be a functional display surface. Definitely potential here.
I want this with an animated hamster running on the fan like a wheel.
😂
You should be able to get all the way down to 7V on most MOBO if you switch your fan control to DC mode, at least ma gigabyte b650 still has that function. Pity that connection issues are so bad
Yea I don't know why he kept hammering the point home that you can't lower the voltage
My newest MB supports such voltage regulation on every header, but I have an old MB which only does PWM. That was maddening, because my CPU fans at the time were 2400 RPM non PWM. I Listened to those screaming bastards for WAY too mong! When I finally bought a cheap fan controller it was almost a religious experience.
@@andyasbestos my 50$ b450 supports voltage control, I guess it's just up to the manufacturer
@@andyasbestos I don't think I've ever had a board that didn't support DC control, and I've had a bunch of bargain basement ASRock boards.
yep I don't have pwm fans and my b450 from msi lets me change the voltage on each fan all the way down to 0V.
7:19 uh-oh! Now Nintendo has to get involved.
This is old tech brought up to newer standards. For a long time, there was some cheap "LED Message" fans for both PC and USB use that allowed for very basic floating messages. The LED strips were only attached to one or two blades, but never crossed the hub. At least these can be used as floating screens of sorts, not that it looks very useful as-is. The fans really should have had a dedicated USB attachment (and basic daisy-chaining to permit controlling of each fan akin to the Lian Li LCDs) to allow direct PC control of the fans; at least pre-programmed speeds and faster updating of the displays to show off various video or still images.
Newer standards XD
I can't temember the last product this incompetent.
Yeah i had one like this too, 17-18 years ago. Look up the Thermaltake Cyclo LED fan.
We had these on light festivals for handfans for a while so im surprised it took so long for them to become a thing.
Need a 200mm version of these.
Is Linus sending all these guys to a " How to have Charisma" class. Or "How to be like Linus" class?
So the idea of reusing the spinning that your product already does inherently to run a persistence display is actually really cool, and perhaps in the future it will be possible to put the LEDs directly on the edge of a pair of blades. This implementation isn't great, but for people who want a fancy PC I can see the cool factor being worth it, especially with improvement. For the issue of the image breaking on variable RPM and the difficulty of fixing it, they could consider operating the fan at fixed speeds by interpreting a PWM signal instead of using it as-is; Corsair's maglev fans already do this, as they will refuse to go below a certain RPM since the technology wouldn't work.
For control, if putting a USB port on each fan is not feasible, there are two options: abuse the F out of PWM to send signals, or to make it fancy, integrate a somewhat powerful NFC tag near the hub that allows the user to program the fan by proximity without having to outright touch it (NFC can work at up to 10cm). While bandwidth and tag storage are a limit, an active tag could transfer the data to the fan in realtime, and the images have to be like 96x96 pixels anyways so they won't be that large. Alternatively NFC can be used to bootstrap a Bluetooth connection without needing the user to mess around (wi-fi for this is ridiculous).
Next up: 'I abused the ATX fan header to speak serial'
Sound is typically measured at one metre (not one foot). Measuring from approx 3 times further away, would/should drop the dB figure by ~8-10dB.
Initial reaction: shut up and take my money
Second reaction: ouch they're a bit loud and they seem to use quite a bit of power (because of the POV LEDs)
Then: sideloaded app and connecting via wifi. ow dear.
Can't wait to see how these and competitors' versions turn out. Not usually impressed by gimmicks but I would love holo fans on the front of my case. I went from being an RGB fan to not a couple of years ago, and now I'm kind of back into it again. Definitely keeping an eye on this
love the idea, as everyone is saying it does need improvement but i'm 1000% getting some of these in the future when they get ironed out some more (whether its from coolify or if a reputable brand uses the idea)
the hologram effect is wonderfully cyberpunk and has so much potential, especially if they can sync up with each other (think like, a dragon or something flying between them)
I have a cyberpunk theme build (genre, not game) and these would be the perfect thing if they were a bit better. Syncing image across fan would amazing.
Man you are so natural as a host now. Your confidence levels have skyrocketed since I first started watching you eons ago.
Hell there’s even a difference between now and just a year ago.
Go Alex, go!
Now a bit more math added for future versions... Get eg. a goldfish to swim free around from lower fan, to middle fan, and up to the top... Like a holo aquarium 😀
Koi Fish hologram + quiet+ no WiFi. More holograms from the movie Ghost in the Shell, Blade Runner. Take my money 🙏
I remember having fans like this in the early 2000s. Fun to see them back again.
"You don't get 9v from a computer"
DC Fan mode, it's been a thing for ages.
Typically you don’t get 9v from a computer. He is correct. You can get DC fans that operate in different voltage ranges. But a two wire connection like this fan is and not a PMW, you are going to strictly use 12v. Or it will be from a molex connector which will also be strictly 12v.
A PMW fan is one you can alter the voltage which will increase or decrease the speed of the fan.
A DC fan is made to operate at a certain voltage, operating and a higher or lower voltage will create electrical noise and the higher the voltage, the more you risk burning out the motor from over voltage.
@@PTRRanger951 word word words.
I'm aware of all that, which is why I said DC Fan mode. That implies I know about PWM, and it being 12v and everything else you said.
@@PTRRanger951 A PWM fan does not alter the voltage level, it alters time between on and off for the 12volts, hence PWM. DC fan head control has been around for ever, maybe dissapearing from motherboards to reduce the need for large mosfets near the fan header but still was used in some use cases - the platform chip connected via SMbus would determine what sort of control could be set - i did this back in C2D e8400 days where I had silverstone case fans that were all 3 wire, and the only PWM was the CPU fan itself. Unfortuniatly these days, it seems platform control chips are hampered from factory - relying on crappy bios curves to control the fans instead of being able to control it properly with software, one the of best is Speedfan.exe where I have one setup that GPU die temp can be used to automate case fans.
@@sarahjrandomnumbershowever what you said was wrong. You actually do not get 9v from a computer.
You get 12v. You need a controller to change the voltage, therefore it’s coming from a controller, not the computer.
@@PTRRanger951Gigabyte mobos had voltage control for ages. You don't need your fan to have PWM to control it, and it also can run at any % of power, including fully stopped and barely rotating.
I had an 80mm one of these back in 2005 that showed the air temperature exiting the case. Yeah I was pretty cool 😎
3:22 yes 20db is a lot and the db scale is log, but 3 db is only a doubling of power over a certain threshold because the scale is log.
3dB is always a doubling (or technically multiplied by 10^0.3). A 20dB increase is 100 times (10^2.0) as much. There are no thresholds with dB, nor with any other logarithmic scale.
The whole db measurement part of this is pretty bad tbh
I would guess, the image is synced to the BLDC driver in the fan. But when you physically interrupt the fan blades the BLDC driver has to resync, so the image goes wonky. Understandable. The fact it works down to 9v indicates this is likely the case. Also going to low on voltage is probably an issue with that many RGB Leds being driven if they didnt design it to run at those lower voltages. Probably willl fix it by putting a boost regulator in the display side, and adding a PWM pin would be pretty simple. Best looking persistence of vision display I've seen in a long while. Especially the full color images(or you are much better at videoing them than others have been :) ).
Noise tests are normally done from 1M away and not 1ft. Should be more than 3 times the distance so that's not accurate, additionally the PC behind it is on which clearly shouldn't be if you want a fair reading. The stats of the Noise for the fan will be measured at 1M and not 30 cms
cant wait for the inevitable video using one of these as your monitor
It's a great idea. Can't wait for a version with a bit more polish.
A pretty cool concept and arguably cheaper than adding screens to your PC aesthetic. It just needs one of the more reputable brands to adapt it and refine it a bit more before releasing to the market.
oh god that knife wiggle at 0:10 , my soul aches
I saw an awesome display like this in the Keflavik airport security queue, it was about the size of a small child and was awesome.
The way Alex opened that box makes me think he's been watching too many AvE videos.
really cool!
i see CPU and GPU temp along with CPU/GPU Usage on different fans in the future.
You'd think that the POV math would work with the Tach signal or a hall-effect rotary encoder built in, so that no matter how fast it spins it would always render the same image.
sick segue man. and your the best at opening boxes
I thought they would actually be holograms, like 3d n shit, but it's just a rotating one dimensional array of leds, which doesn't roll off the tongue as well I suppose.
2024, the age of 1000+ Watt power supplies and cpu fans drawing 60W just for looks. What a time to be alive...
The formula for decibels is:
dB=10*log(I/Iref), I being the intensity
So 20 dB means I=100Iref
Or Final intensity is hundred times the reference intensity
This makes me wonder now, if the holographic performance would do better if the lighting was handled by the same number of LEDs interspersed around the circumference of the fan rather than a straight line. That may reduce image distortion between fan speed adjustments, and if the fans were able to be attached via USB for the data stream then it could act as a USB-attached display.
If Coolify wants to make this _even cooler_ they could have fans attached via USB and mandate use of a USB-attached type-E USB type-C hub to redirect the mainboard type-E connection into that with a short length of E-to-E cable, then have the type-E cable from a case's front panel be attached to the hub's other type-E socket.
For the led vs hologram, maybe hologram on fan is a sweet spot of pricing vs sizing. Cuz if you imagine a giant fan to display image, it would make no sense.
@@1405dic That's uh, not exactly what I meant. Maybe I needed to clarify; there would still be the need to create a functional fan, but the fan could have LEDs which spiral out from the centre. Not sure how they'd be able to do it, but the way this is done presently would exhibit challenges on PWM control where a spiral layout would… _less_ if the math were adjusted per-LED.
saw some of these on display in a tech mall a few week ago, they look really cool in person
although i also thought it was a bit loud at the time
Seen how this tech has been around for some time now and there are multiple such holo "screens" around, it was a matter of time before it would end up on a fan.
And honestly, i don't mind it.
I mean, the Lian Li fans with screens are awesome, the infinity RGB on the side is also very cool, but they're expensive, and frankly, this holo idea might just look even more futuristic, depending on your build it might fit even better, especially if you have a Cyberpunk or general mech or high tech theme in your case or something.
And you can do funny stuff with this "screen" all the same, but now bigger. Unless you have a dedicated screen in your case already, but this being on a fan, yeah, i kind of like it.
A newer version with maybe better fan speed control, mostly for noise, would be cool, also, i still kind of would prefer software for my PC to run this, to upload whatever you want it to show, i want it to not be as shady as sideloading an app, and i have an iPhone, but yeah, that software can also be shady, and too many of those programs can drain a lot of resources compared to what it does, which is a shame.
In any case, that clearly needs some more work, buuuuut, if they get this done right, they might sell a lot of these, depending on the price.
I wouldn't mind them.
Ok, so they're not 100% there yet but the idea is awesome, they just need a bit of refinement and the rear one shows they can do it. Like everyone is saying a pwn signal and a better app and it's gold. Hopefully there's an easy way to make custom vids, who wouldn't want a logo, or symbol for theme builds. I'm trying to do a star trek build atm, even just one these fans with the starfleet logo would look awesome.
That's actually pretty cool. I'd just remove the fan bit and make it a desktop thing.
Uh. These existed about 15 years ago, and they were usb controlled (they still were terrible to work with). I don’t remember what they were called but they cost $80 each in 2010 money and the fan performance was equivalent to a $2 fan.
Edit: they also only showed a prebaked image or text. It was 2010.
Oh sweet. When my buddy bought his AORUS RTX 2080 I was amazed at the Holo-LED effects on the fans. Was really hoping for full POV-Displays when 30 series launched but meh - nothing happened and all the fun customization went away. Now this comes up.
Let's wait for Corsair or LianLi to implement this into their Gaming-Suite and you will have a deal :-D
imagine in 10 years it’s “remember when rgb used to make your pc faster” instead of “imagine someone seeing this 10 years ago”
Alright, no more caffeine before using box knives. That bit legit had me worried.
Cool idea! Now let's wait and see what Noctua will make with this.
I already see 2 solutions that were overlooked designing this that would improve sound & lighting, this isn't even my area of expertise but hopefully they spot the solutions for version 2.
Sound is generally measured at 1m from a source if its an object you're measuring.
Thanks for the video. Looking forward to get the second generation of those Holo Fans.
Can we just have LTT follow up should coolify bring out a gen 2? Would love to see what they do and I'm already considering getting this version anyways.
Also, imagine being able to transplant the fans and their necessary components onto your gpu fans. Freaking awesome
ancient technology alex remember la CART in 2000 toyota has the same thing in the car wheels and they adjust the image to the RPM
Technically that is neither a holograph, nor a hologram...
I thought you were better than this at science, Alex.
It's an effect. Just like we say "3D picture", we do not literally mean 3D.
Saw the thumbnail and thought it was a scam. After seeing it in action, I'm kind of impressed. It's got potential. Not there yet though
I can already imagine the cursed imagery and memes people will be applying to these
Saying 'Not a fan of 8' while talking about a fan literally displaying an 8 and not acknowledging the double pun, was a huge missed opportunity.
Putting fans for a desktop on wifi? Some real geniuses over there at coolify!
Oh wow, persistence of vision fans are back!!! I remember these from the 2000's.
Look up the Thermaltake Cyclo LED fan from 2006 or 2007. Same concept. Funny to see those types of fans coming back.
I mean, to be fair, you measured the decibels with it next to a running computer with a bunch more fans that are also running at whatever RPM. I feel like that could realistically add ~20db to the reading.
That is pretty dope though, but yeah the possibility of just being stuck with a bunch of fans that just have glowing "COOLIFY" logos on them is pretty lame, not really big into displaying company logos on my rig no matter how flashy and neat the tech is. Maybe when they've refined the design a bit more I might pick some up... when they're on sale.
imagine those working as promised. and being able to sync a row or column of them to display corresponding sized pictures or gifs of linus.
Once they work out all the kinks I could totally see using these in my next build.
I've had a large one of these on my wall for years. And predicted/called for these long ago.
Pretty dope if they can actually move enough volume of air
You know how much time i spend looking at my computer case? Aside from turning it on, as close to zero to say zero.
How does the display spin without any cables twisting? Data's over wifi, but what about power? Is there a wireless charger in the hub and a battery in the blade, or is the display powered mechanically by the motor?
Love the idea, would be neat for a lot of people, creators especially
Neat! As a demo project... Hopefully the company survives to make gen 2
6:00 why not use a few rubber vibration dampeners or washers instead of ruining a case?
Vessi sponsor money!
Because Alex
been seeing these things for years and they finally found a use for it. very cool.
bio can still change that speed, pwm is just preferred, but volt change was the previous version and is still present in most bios and boards..
4:47 he's adapting....
6:24 the repairman
I think it will be a trend for a year or two and that's it. They are more expensive than regular/better fans and there's no real purpose for it. I think they will start to annoy people after a while.
“With a soft and flexible tongue” ohhh we’re talking about shoes
Skipping over the Vessi add until they open an official shop in the UK. I want to buy a Vessi shoe from the makers themselves!
Someone doesn't know that the last couple of years motherboards can control 2-pin fans. You just have to set them up manually in BIOS.
The next step for Cases will be toollles fan/radiator mounting
I think it’d be really cool if the computer used the speed that the fan reports to compensate so the displayed image could run stable at any speed
3:21 isn’t 10 db the threshold for “double volume” while 3db is a much more scientific measurement? Feel like whichever number you use you’d have people telling you you’re wrong, but I think 10 is more correct if you’re talking about the perceived volume of a fan
They're expensive as hell.