Really enjoyed your reaction. One of my favorite parts about the show is how realistic and layered the characters are written. Michael as you note takes the big brother role very seriously, especially with the loss of their father he really stepped up. In so many ways he's like Donna (largest personality in a room but using it to cover internal demons whilst struggling with substance abuse) but instead of dragging others down he suffers in silence as you noted. Carmy hurts in many ways because his family specifically Mikey tried to push him away to keep him safe but as a result Carmy feels betrayed. Carmy had Mikey protecting him and Sugar but Sugar really was also lucky to have Pete.
lmao Jan at the start going "Oh yeah I totally relate to the mom" Also, while lee was an asshole to mikey i can't really fault him. he's watching this adult man take money from everybody around him, blow it all on drugs, and he's expected to just sit there and make nice? I get it christmas dinner probably wasn't the best time, but if I were him I'd absolutely be going "hey mikey, you're an addict. you're stealing from your friends and family and it's going to cost you everything, you fucking idiot" I've seen a lot of "oh it was so harsh of lee" but we've only ever heard about mikey from his friends and family 5 years in the future going "yep, he killed himself but he was super great" while ignoring the part where he dumped his own brother 300k in debt, which would have cost Sugar her house too because he hadn't bothered doing taxes. like, obviously sugar, carm and rich loved him, but he was a fuckup, and we finally get to see it. Also Lee's just a friend of Cicero's, but it's likely that him and Donna were involved at some point in the past, hence Mikey's disgusted "We doing this again?" when he finds Lee talking to his mom in the kitchen.
I do feel like Carmy didn't do well as the quiet child of a very loud family and that going to chef school instead of therapy perhaps was not the best decision.
" are you ok LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!?" lmaooooo
ARE YOU MOTHER F'ERS OKAAAY?!
Really enjoyed your reaction. One of my favorite parts about the show is how realistic and layered the characters are written. Michael as you note takes the big brother role very seriously, especially with the loss of their father he really stepped up. In so many ways he's like Donna (largest personality in a room but using it to cover internal demons whilst struggling with substance abuse) but instead of dragging others down he suffers in silence as you noted. Carmy hurts in many ways because his family specifically Mikey tried to push him away to keep him safe but as a result Carmy feels betrayed. Carmy had Mikey protecting him and Sugar but Sugar really was also lucky to have Pete.
Absolutely great acting by everyone involved
Oh, such wonderful reactions! I've seen a lot of reactions to this episode and yours are the most insightful by far. Thank you! 👏👏👏
I know, right?
Between this show, shameless and the Iron Claw movie Jeremy Allen White has terrible luck with families
This hits me, Donna IS my mum and dad combined.
when are we are getting more wire reactions? zzzz
lmao Jan at the start going "Oh yeah I totally relate to the mom"
Also, while lee was an asshole to mikey i can't really fault him. he's watching this adult man take money from everybody around him, blow it all on drugs, and he's expected to just sit there and make nice? I get it christmas dinner probably wasn't the best time, but if I were him I'd absolutely be going "hey mikey, you're an addict. you're stealing from your friends and family and it's going to cost you everything, you fucking idiot"
I've seen a lot of "oh it was so harsh of lee" but we've only ever heard about mikey from his friends and family 5 years in the future going "yep, he killed himself but he was super great" while ignoring the part where he dumped his own brother 300k in debt, which would have cost Sugar her house too because he hadn't bothered doing taxes. like, obviously sugar, carm and rich loved him, but he was a fuckup, and we finally get to see it.
Also Lee's just a friend of Cicero's, but it's likely that him and Donna were involved at some point in the past, hence Mikey's disgusted "We doing this again?" when he finds Lee talking to his mom in the kitchen.
I thought this episode made you go on that hiatus 😂
I do feel like Carmy didn't do well as the quiet child of a very loud family and that going to chef school instead of therapy perhaps was not the best decision.
Best episode of the whole series!
Traumatic. A tram is a means of transportation. 👋