Learning from your mistakes and becoming a better player as a result is what’s important. It’s easy for others to play armchair quarterback when watching these videos, but too often forget that you have to start somewhere and that getting better is a process, not something that just happens.
While that may be true, there is basically no excuse to forget Atraxa's Proliferate. It is the sole reason you play this commander as there are 5c Commanders who would be better for superfriends if it weren't for the proliferate. Also if you play dedicated cards such as doubling season you should also know that that doubles the proliferate as well. There were not many permanents on the field.
“Don’t swing on my Ugin and I’ll save this.” “Sure, I’ll trust you.” *Kills everyone* “Bro, I trusted you.” “Friends are just opponents you haven’t eliminated yet.”
Remember, people... mass land destruction as a finisher is no different than winning through a combo. Also, complaining about mass land destruction but not about Muddstah's Decree of Silence + Solemnity lock, which would've also stopped everyone but him from playing the game, is hypocritical.
I personally would argue that MLD is even worse than a combo, because the game is dragged along for a couple turns after that, in which all the players but one don't play even if they are technically playing.
Considering they lasted four rotations before Ugin's ultimate, if they had drawn lands during those turns and Jace's emblem wasn't there, there would still be hope. Then again, they only lasted four rotations because Trevor forgot about Atraxa's triggers (which would put twice as many counters thanks to Doubling Season).
MLD is only a problem when its for the sake of giving you time to search for some win con. Its the same as taking infinite turns. Its why whenever it happens in our playgroup the individual doing it usually follows up with how they actually intend to win the game. Like my Taigam deck will often dual cast Expropriate to get 2+ extra turns, wherein I also explain "this is so I can give my creatures 'haste' and swing out" pointing at either a board full of constructs or a board full of their best creatures I confiscated due to the spell...or both. Ive had it happen where a whole table gave me 4 or 5 extra turns instead, at which point I had to waste time setting up the win con the long way via aetherflux reservoir and/or metalurgic summonings.
I loved this one! I think my friends and I would have probably scooped after the MLD, so y'all are brave for sticking it out. Don't sweat the mistakes - I'm of the mindset that if everyone played perfect magic all the time, we wouldn't get as many great stories (or entertaining videos!)
I had this game when my opponent resolved a MLD when he had Avacyn on his board... unfortunately for him, I had Saffi, Sun Titan and Marty'r Bond on my board and he had no hand, so I was able to survive long enough to go all the way back to eight lands and draw into a combo piece to win the game.
Love your channel and thanks for the video mate! You play for keeps and I greatly admire someone who owns their mistakes. Seriously impressed and loving your work on the intros.
Atraxa and Doubling Season actually allow you to get 2 counters per endstep. It's victory lapping, but could've ended the game like a turn or two faster.
lepinz1223 Helm of Obedience mills someone until they hit a creature card or x number of cards determined by how much was paid into activating Helm’s ability. Since Rest In Peace is there, the graveyard basically doesn’t exist and the Helm will mill out the opponent because no cards will be in their graveyard, therefore, the Helm can’t check for any cards in the graveyard to stop milling.
As a Saffi player, I'm a little sad to see Saffi doing nothing... :( Also, I looked at the decklist... where's the Boonweaver Giant? That guy is a must, especially in a deck with Pattern of Rebirth and Gift of Immortality.
MTG Muddstah, do you have any players that use Boros commanders that can be recorded? I'm really interested to see how well a Boros deck would perform on your channel. GG btw. P.S. The hate for misplays are unreal, people acting like they are perfect Magic players. Funny thing is, they wouldn't say half the stuff they said in public.
Drink in the goblin noise in all its generic goodness. Unfortunate misplay there towards then end but I’ve done some tunnel vision errors like that before. It both makes me sad and want to laugh.
That was a nice assortment of tech I don't want to see anywhere near my table. I hoped that Matt would at least spite-counter most of it, but it wasn't meant to be
Summary of this game: "Man, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon is a pretty powerful card...maybe if we all ignore him, he'll go away." Yeah, I'd say the big thing that lost you this game was not killing Trevor when you had the chance. It doesn't matter if your two opponents were combo decks seeing as Solemnity + Decree of Silence means that nobody can cast spells anyways, and the answer that you already knew about to any of your combo pieces, Venser, is also shut off by Torpor Orb anyways. Watching you fail to take out the one player who had any chance of answering you and then get summarily punished for it was confusing to say the least, and at that point I think the Catastrophe just let him win more. Can't imagine how much Trevor's eyes must have lit up in person when you declared Matt as the target of the Helm.
Ya'll need an aggro deck in the mix. Without some death early on it just turns into "oh, got all my rocks and 10 lands, counter... counter... counter... counter..."
Samuel LaGrone it is interesting to see what one aggro player will do to a meta. I have been running aggro lately and it really does force everyone to lower their curve a bit. Plus aggro is fun even if you don’t win. Which you don’t lol
Right! I mean a kalemne that can hit for lethal on turn 5, or a karlov with the right pieces. Even throw an army deck in there, some tribal that avalanches on itself. With decks like that you are forced to adjust, if you don't have a blocker on turn 4, well, thats 14 commander or 22 total. It's also fun to see the guy in the crystal tower who always wins sit there with his mouth wide open as you killed him before he even started assembling his machine.
I know this isn't competitive EDH, but I'm glad this isn't Soccer Mom EDH. MLD and spell-countering engines are legitimate strategies and these decks were obviously closely matched.
Trevor not only missed his proliferate triggers he must have forgotten he had doubling season out he should have been putting way more loyalty counters on his planeswalkers
Actually, it does. Proliferate is an effect that puts counters on permanents, so Doubling Season applies. The only reason DS doesn't work with Planeswalkers' plus abilities is because the counters are put as cost, not effect.
Ewe lmao I know how azami is so I'm guessing before watching she wins.... 🤔 Edit: jesus this azami did absolutely nothing 😂 just showed vensur then died. Idk how his deck was but, zedruu was alright the enchantments were pretty strong near the end but atraxa is just rediculous lol I thought It was going to be atraxa super friends for a minute 😂
While it really didn't impact the game, why did you steal Matt's Mana Crypt instead of his Sol Ring? They're functionally the same, but you don't have a 50% chance to lose 3 life with Sol Ring.
Keith Filibeck geez the anger over a misplay is off the charts. Sometimes I wonder why people like you watch the videos if they’re such an affront to you. Then I remember you’re lifeless losers with nothing better to do than bitch.
I play to make punts and I make punts when I play. Honestly though, this game was after my shift away from Enduring Ideal. I'm still learning the changes and stuff.
Keith Filibeck Muddstah likes to show games with mistakes so we learn. It’s also hard to not make any mistake in Commander, even big ones like that. This is not Modern nor Legacy.
Land destruction as a finisher is okay for me. I may not like it, but a lot of people don't like it when my Saffi combo deck goes off either, so we're even.
Mass land destruction is OK when the deck is actually built the way that it can win with it, like with Avacyn or dedicated stax. But random armageddons in casual EDH just are just boring and stretch out games unnecessarily
Learning from your mistakes and becoming a better player as a result is what’s important. It’s easy for others to play armchair quarterback when watching these videos, but too often forget that you have to start somewhere and that getting better is a process, not something that just happens.
While that may be true, there is basically no excuse to forget Atraxa's Proliferate. It is the sole reason you play this commander as there are 5c Commanders who would be better for superfriends if it weren't for the proliferate. Also if you play dedicated cards such as doubling season you should also know that that doubles the proliferate as well. There were not many permanents on the field.
Always kill the atraxa player first
4th mistake: wasting TWO counterspells on a terminus that affected only your commander
“Don’t swing on my Ugin and I’ll save this.”
“Sure, I’ll trust you.”
*Kills everyone*
“Bro, I trusted you.”
“Friends are just opponents you haven’t eliminated yet.”
Remember, people... mass land destruction as a finisher is no different than winning through a combo. Also, complaining about mass land destruction but not about Muddstah's Decree of Silence + Solemnity lock, which would've also stopped everyone but him from playing the game, is hypocritical.
With Trevor's boardstate they should have conceded with the MLD on the stack though. There is no way to come back from that.
I personally would argue that MLD is even worse than a combo, because the game is dragged along for a couple turns after that, in which all the players but one don't play even if they are technically playing.
Considering they lasted four rotations before Ugin's ultimate, if they had drawn lands during those turns and Jace's emblem wasn't there, there would still be hope.
Then again, they only lasted four rotations because Trevor forgot about Atraxa's triggers (which would put twice as many counters thanks to Doubling Season).
MLD is only a problem when its for the sake of giving you time to search for some win con. Its the same as taking infinite turns. Its why whenever it happens in our playgroup the individual doing it usually follows up with how they actually intend to win the game. Like my Taigam deck will often dual cast Expropriate to get 2+ extra turns, wherein I also explain "this is so I can give my creatures 'haste' and swing out" pointing at either a board full of constructs or a board full of their best creatures I confiscated due to the spell...or both. Ive had it happen where a whole table gave me 4 or 5 extra turns instead, at which point I had to waste time setting up the win con the long way via aetherflux reservoir and/or metalurgic summonings.
@@orsettomorbido depends on the combo I guess :)
Just what my Thursday needed, always nice to see Zedru.
I love the ever changing intro
This was my favorite zedruu game ever. It just looked like every card absolutely belongs in the list and showed why. Really enjoyed it!
I loved this one! I think my friends and I would have probably scooped after the MLD, so y'all are brave for sticking it out. Don't sweat the mistakes - I'm of the mindset that if everyone played perfect magic all the time, we wouldn't get as many great stories (or entertaining videos!)
Scarizard couldn’t say it better. EDH is about fun and mistakes!
I had this game when my opponent resolved a MLD when he had Avacyn on his board... unfortunately for him, I had Saffi, Sun Titan and Marty'r Bond on my board and he had no hand, so I was able to survive long enough to go all the way back to eight lands and draw into a combo piece to win the game.
Love your channel and thanks for the video mate! You play for keeps and I greatly admire someone who owns their mistakes. Seriously impressed and loving your work on the intros.
That's right. More gameplay. And more epic intros to come. Keep it up!
The timing of this is perfect. I just finished building Saffi but now I get to compare it to more lists!
That Duck lived the longest I've ever seen a planeswalker do! Impressive!
Atraxa and Doubling Season actually allow you to get 2 counters per endstep. It's victory lapping, but could've ended the game like a turn or two faster.
My power might be out because of the hurricane but that can’t stop me from watching a EDH gameplay
at 9:34 I don't understand why Matt is out of the game... Someone can help me pls ? Thanks in advance ! :)
lepinz1223 Helm of Obedience mills someone until they hit a creature card or x number of cards determined by how much was paid into activating Helm’s ability. Since Rest In Peace is there, the graveyard basically doesn’t exist and the Helm will mill out the opponent because no cards will be in their graveyard, therefore, the Helm can’t check for any cards in the graveyard to stop milling.
@@kuro_nogazaki oh ! Thanks for the explanation!
Again I love this new camera angle. Pls keep it this way!
Okay, this had me laughing pretty hard at times. Such a back and forth game! This was an audience spectacle.
RETURN OF THE GENERIC GOBLIN NOISE! Long live the generic goblin noise!
I enjoy a lot see play Trevor. You never know how he going to win. He's game is perfect.
Franco Pablo Trevor’s game was about as perfect as your English. No disrespect to Trevor
As a Saffi player, I'm a little sad to see Saffi doing nothing... :(
Also, I looked at the decklist... where's the Boonweaver Giant? That guy is a must, especially in a deck with Pattern of Rebirth and Gift of Immortality.
This game was great. Also the perfect use of mass land destruction: securing your amazing board state and not stalling out the table.
that swan token man, that was cold.
These certainly play differently than my precons…
Everyone’s talking about the land destruction and the plays, but the real problem is spell crumple still goes on the bottom Matt’s library.
Always funny to see people dreading receiving cards from their opponents! Awesome game!
As always the best music for the best gameplays
I like the games when you're at the table so we have someone to root for
Only at 3:03 and I can feel that if the obvious replenish/open the vaults resolves, this is going to end so fast.
MTG Muddstah, do you have any players that use Boros commanders that can be recorded? I'm really interested to see how well a Boros deck would perform on your channel. GG btw.
P.S. The hate for misplays are unreal, people acting like they are perfect Magic players. Funny thing is, they wouldn't say half the stuff they said in public.
that was a dope intro, keep up the great work on the vids!
Easily the best MTG channel on youtube. Thank you for the uploads!
Drink in the goblin noise in all its generic goodness. Unfortunate misplay there towards then end but I’ve done some tunnel vision errors like that before. It both makes me sad and want to laugh.
never seen a Dack live that long
More like Zedruu the Greatfaulted, am I right?
Love the channel, thank you for your contributions
That was a nice assortment of tech I don't want to see anywhere near my table. I hoped that Matt would at least spite-counter most of it, but it wasn't meant to be
I did not hit her, I did not!
Oh, hi(gh) Mark(et)!
Ghet.
You could have kept using the helm yo try to get creatures
Good game. Some errors but you’re learning from them which is key.
More Saffi gameplay please!!
I love your build I ordered a lot of the peices
Summary of this game: "Man, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon is a pretty powerful card...maybe if we all ignore him, he'll go away."
Yeah, I'd say the big thing that lost you this game was not killing Trevor when you had the chance. It doesn't matter if your two opponents were combo decks seeing as Solemnity + Decree of Silence means that nobody can cast spells anyways, and the answer that you already knew about to any of your combo pieces, Venser, is also shut off by Torpor Orb anyways. Watching you fail to take out the one player who had any chance of answering you and then get summarily punished for it was confusing to say the least, and at that point I think the Catastrophe just let him win more. Can't imagine how much Trevor's eyes must have lit up in person when you declared Matt as the target of the Helm.
Your points are fair and I think I did a good job of at least identifying my mistakes in the Review.
Bro attraxa’s art is straight fire
My volume was on low and I thought he said "A fucking pool"
Ya'll need an aggro deck in the mix. Without some death early on it just turns into "oh, got all my rocks and 10 lands, counter... counter... counter... counter..."
Samuel LaGrone it is interesting to see what one aggro player will do to a meta. I have been running aggro lately and it really does force everyone to lower their curve a bit. Plus aggro is fun even if you don’t win. Which you don’t lol
Right! I mean a kalemne that can hit for lethal on turn 5, or a karlov with the right pieces. Even throw an army deck in there, some tribal that avalanches on itself. With decks like that you are forced to adjust, if you don't have a blocker on turn 4, well, thats 14 commander or 22 total. It's also fun to see the guy in the crystal tower who always wins sit there with his mouth wide open as you killed him before he even started assembling his machine.
Did you end up using my idea of Approach the Second Sun?
Love your videos!
9:17 why not Ugin man?
post data: love your videos! wa want evil adam vs armen!!!
I know this isn't competitive EDH, but I'm glad this isn't Soccer Mom EDH. MLD and spell-countering engines are legitimate strategies and these decks were obviously closely matched.
6:05 HA 😂 Sorry dude. But great plays from everyone
Mass land destruction will always be nasty! 😅
Be willing to sacrifice pawns. Even your commander or your favorite combo might be worse than the less favorable option in a compromising board state.
nice game, i love atraxa super friends...please mudds bring game with marath deck.
I use mass land destruction for political threats, like Brick in Anchorman walking around with a hand grenade
Am I mistaken or did you cast a ton of spells after replenishing and returning rule of law to play?
Rule of law was in hand.
Rule of Law had been bounced to his hand by Venser long before the Replenish, and he didn't recast it.
**sees title** YAY, SAFFI!
Did... wasn't Zedruu tapped when you activated her ability in your upkeep? At least twice?
zedruu's donate ability isn't a tap ability it just requires red, blue, white
Trevor land destruction was the end of the game
Could someone explain how jace was able to ult the turn he was played? I’m kinda confused or I might have missed something 😅
doubling season is busted and doubles planeswalkers' loyalty counters when they etb
So why run Stuffy Doll in Atraxa? What am I missing?
were did you get that amazing alt art zedru?
fun and interesting until the end.
I don't get why did you kill Matt when Trevor had an Ugin. Trevor was already out of game.
Abysmal threat assessment from yours truly.
So Trevor actually had a way to win the game that wasnt just annoying everyone else into conceding, right?
Is it me or did Trevor miss a lot of triggers????
*Scratch* Yes, that's me. You may wonder how did I got my generic Goblin Noise. Well, it all started........
great vid good content
How did Matt lose?
I think Andrew used the helm of obedience to mill out Matt's library
so has anyone tried saffi and deathrender? am i crazy or is it a good combo for big creatures
Why take a mana crypt when their is a sol ring right next to it?
I thought the same thing while watching.
Yo, I want Matt's playmat 💜
How did helm take him out?
Why didn't saffi win on turn 3 ?
Trevor not only missed his proliferate triggers he must have forgotten he had doubling season out he should have been putting way more loyalty counters on his planeswalkers
Doubling Season doesn't double the counters you'd get from proliferate.
Yep only the counters they enter with lol.
Actually, it does. Proliferate is an effect that puts counters on permanents, so Doubling Season applies.
The only reason DS doesn't work with Planeswalkers' plus abilities is because the counters are put as cost, not effect.
DarkEinherjar and thats what he was using until he remembered the DS lol
Plz play Prossh again sometime
9:30 Why in the name of GOD would you not hit Ugin?
If I was Andrew, I would've picked ugin over act of authority
Bouncing a Venser ... and not using it against the replenish ?
Welp
I had the mana to cast it again. I don't think Matt saw the combo in the yard and was of the mind to save it for another spell.
Ewe lmao I know how azami is so I'm guessing before watching she wins.... 🤔
Edit: jesus this azami did absolutely nothing 😂 just showed vensur then died. Idk how his deck was but, zedruu was alright the enchantments were pretty strong near the end but atraxa is just rediculous lol I thought It was going to be atraxa super friends for a minute 😂
More arcades?
Muddstah, can you decide on your intro here? I really don't give a shit what you do just pick one thing and stick with it
While it really didn't impact the game, why did you steal Matt's Mana Crypt instead of his Sol Ring? They're functionally the same, but you don't have a 50% chance to lose 3 life with Sol Ring.
The twitch on the twitter handle is still there! ;~;
Why do you do this to me?
I did four videos in two days to get ready for GP Montreal / Thanksgiving. I'll try to get to it soon.
@@MTGMuddstah Just messing with you really, the videos are great as always!
My goodness, I hope you've learned how much of a broken card Ugin is in multiplayer.
Wow, that was unexpected. Lol
Man talking about taking defeat from the jaws of victory. Grasp on ugin would've been gg
WHERE MY DEREVI AT
destroy all lands LMAO yeah the very next game that dude would get ganged up on
That replenish play made me sad.
Why do you say that?
Does grasp not hit planeswalkers? If it can, then you punted so hard it’s embarrassing
Apock 247 well... aren’t you a ray of sunshine? People make mistakes sheesh.
It does. It's something I cover in the review.
I LOVE SAFFI
Grasp of fate doesn't trigger after playing a torpor orb
"Effect of card: Creatures entering the battlefield don't cause abilities to trigger."
Bruh thats a 200 dollar playmat...
I have no idea why you didn't get rid of the Ugin, sometimes I wonder why you play if you want to just make giant Punts like that.
Keith Filibeck geez the anger over a misplay is off the charts. Sometimes I wonder why people like you watch the videos if they’re such an affront to you. Then I remember you’re lifeless losers with nothing better to do than bitch.
I play to make punts and I make punts when I play. Honestly though, this game was after my shift away from Enduring Ideal. I'm still learning the changes and stuff.
Keith Filibeck Muddstah likes to show games with mistakes so we learn. It’s also hard to not make any mistake in Commander, even big ones like that. This is not Modern nor Legacy.
Almost 1st!
If you're playing simulacrum in saffi you're doing it wrong. Should win turn 4/5 can win turn 3/4.
Ayy first
can he just switch back to the original laugh please. i find these intros to be annoying. the original was adorable and fit his goblin buddy.
finally, atraxa won one.
I was really enjoying this match until the catastrophe. Wow, land destruction.... so much fun...
Douglas Cassidy what’s wrong with it? The cards exist and are legal in the format. Lands are not sacred but a resource and vulnerable too.
It's not like they had to sit there for long. He used it as a finisher.
You're the type of person nobody likes to play edh with. Complaining because someone made an effort to win. The horror...
@@ms.sysbit5511 i smell the green mage here...mmmm tasty
Land destruction as a finisher is okay for me. I may not like it, but a lot of people don't like it when my Saffi combo deck goes off either, so we're even.
People who play mass land destruction are jerks
I would play with jerks than with manbabies who cry about valid strategies.
Mass land destruction is OK when the deck is actually built the way that it can win with it, like with Avacyn or dedicated stax. But random armageddons in casual EDH just are just boring and stretch out games unnecessarily
@@TheShardFenix I agree. A superfriends is just a perfect fit for it