Thanks, Ramin. I think this video is another reminder that having your core portfolio based on ETFs/mutual funds is probably better than individual stocks. For me at least, I'd hate having to constantly worry when to sell individual stocks.
Thank you for uploading. I own single stocks and ETF and the thesis idea for holding single stocks is so important for me. I’m still on my learning journey in terms of understanding how to evaluate a stock etc, so your idea is actually very useful.
Another great video. If you have index funds in a SIPP, there will come a time when you are retired that you will need to sell funds. Any guidance of the timing of this? Many thanks
An important distinction is that in the Magnificent Seven example, the entire market was going down for well-known reasons in 2008. On the other hand, when the market is relentlessly green day after day, except for one laggard that is always in the red, it is time to look more closely at that red stock and possibly selling it.
What about selling if the Shiller P/E ratio is too high ? As is currently the case for the US market. Maybe then re-invest in a value fund or international stock ?
Great video thanks. For those who like to drip-feed or stagger their purchases, there's an argument that selling should also be staggered. Volatility affects both buying and selling.
I buy and sell, a little bit as "swing" trading, but only with momentum ones. I bought in more visa when it dropped down to 200 or so, and have taken profits now and again.
I will soon have a chunk of money (£120k) to invest for my retirement in 10 years time. I need information on 2 strategies 1) what to hold the pot in whilst I drip feed it into an Isa and/or pension. Ie High interest account. General stock and shares , bonds etc 2)what is the best drawdown strategy in retirement. Sell a chunk off on an annual base, monthly bases etc ? Or wait for specific trends in the market
Hi Ramin, fantastic video again. Thank you very much. What you're saying about the index funds is very true but except for FTSE 100. Once it reaches out peak of 6930 in 1999, FTSE 100 has behaved more like a cyclical index than recording all time high likes s&p 500. Therefore it is probably not a bad idea to sell the fund and book some profit when it crosses 7500 but keep the pound cost averaging going on even while doing so. What are your thoughts? Kind regards Sagar
I recently sold for the first time ever, after realising I could just about break even with one of the singleton lemon stocks I was holding. Two to go…
The art of selling is not understood by many. Limit orders up or down at targeted levels is something EVERYONE should know. 5%, 10% etc etc up or down will help you big time and protect you from those incredible surges or downfalls due to external factors. Pandemic, inflation reports, bad news, war etc are something that HAS and WILL affect your portfolio for nor real reason against the underlying stocks.
By the time you read the news in the paper, the market has already reacted. It's foolish to sell in response to bad news, unless you have some sort of informational edge
Institutional investors can sell enough of their shares to drop the price, activate your stop loss order, them rebuy your discounted shares before jacking the price back up.
I'm interested in how tax implications of selling a gainer in a non-registered account should be factored into the decision to sell. I've got several individual stocks with large gains. I'm retiring and I'd like to restructure my portfolio into mostly ETFs, but selling stocks will cost me in taxes. What to do!?
When they got best of Profits then you'll sell the shares or the stocks. You won't be able to see the best of Profits in all of the century, but when you had it above 200 or 300 percent profits of the company, is the right moment to selloff the stocks or the shares. This is even valid for private equity firms and not just the Individual trade options.
It is true that we only know this in hindsight. However, if the markets ever go into terminal decline, that would be the end of all economies, no matter where you had your money. Even a mattress wouldn’t work…
@@anjux3673 "if the markets ever go into terminal decline" - Japan NIKKEI went into deep losses for 30 years and still havent even recovered at a zero lump sum return compared to that 30 years ago. I guess Japanese economy is literally a crater with nothing left...Not even a mattress, right!
For this reason I believe Ramin had saod previously that for his core portfolio is fully invested in a world index fund and he mitigates the risk of exposure in a single market.
Since I'm only swing and now mostly day trading, I have the opposite problem. LOL! When to keep ahold for a while to ride the monkey up. Instead... most often than not, I sell even sooner than my target price. That's helped me many other times... but I need to layer out to take advantage of runners that actually hit, and even surpass my target. But I'm really good at buying the "dip" and DCA down... redder it gets, the more I'm like okay buying some more... and of course it hits a certain low that I didn't think it would get... I'm like DISCOUNT!!! LOL! BUY BUY BUY! Slather it all over my face LOL! Then hint of green.... okay got to setup some sell limits... okay maybe I'm being too greedy... lowering the sell limit order. When I switch back to long term investing is going to be really weird. I want to do that in my other accounts that I don't look at very frequently.
Great topic Ramin, but I don't think the reasons given were good/sensible. For talk on single stocks you would have been better talking about swing trading strategies. You'd probably opt for fundamentals on this. Technicals are actually probably a bit more accurate in predicting the price action that will happen. Sadly I could have done a better video on this important topic, and I have never done a YT video before.
What's investing though? Other people stealing your capital. "the Stock market is not a wealth creation mechanism, it is a wealth extraction mechanism" Executive boards know that, they practice that regularly
@@FixUp.LookSharp Investing involves getting paid to bear risk. You're effectively buying uncertain cashflows at less than their fair value, because other people find those assets too scary to own. There's no guarantee of profits, but over the long term, the expected return from holding stocks is somewhere in the region of 5-8% pa. "Trading", by contrast, is a zero-sum game. The longer you play, the more you lose. The idea that you can "trade" your way to life-changing wealth is pure fantasy.
@@FixUp.LookSharp the stock market is simply a mechanism for transferring wealth from the impatient to the patient. There's nothing sinister or complicated about it. Investors see it as a get rich slow scheme. Traders see it as a get rich quick scheme. Wealth flows from traders to investors. Apart from the IPO and share issuances, money never transfers to a company.
Probably. I personally don't want to have to wait out a bear market, and have made many mistakes not selling stocks that are in terminal decline (e.g land securities, national express).
Nor after retirement! I stopped work in 2019 but plan on living another 40 years. I keep 4 years of cash and sell small slices of index funds every now and then to top up
@@ChrisShawUKthat sounds like a very good plan and one which presumably saw you through the pandemic without having to take a loss on your investments
@@pedazodetorpedo totally! You can imagine how I felt in April 2020, eight months after stopping work looking at my portfolio 32% down ... But I didn't sell, nor in 2021 when it mostly recovered. In 2022 I topped up a bit even though the market was flat. In 2023 I topped up a lot when the market was up. It's not really about market timing as such (because you can't really do that). But you think of the cash buffer as a swimming pool which you top up at your leisure.
I think you are a bit to late in making this video Mr Craft. Because I bought and I’ve been holding Boohoo stock since February 2021 😢. Boohoo stock is just a perfect example of what Peter Lynch told us not to do, i.e don’t just buy a stock because it’s going up Man I wish I listened to him 🤦
I'm in the same situation - I want to sell my active managed funds & transfer to index trackers as suggested - but if the funds are down in value - is thus a good idea ? Or wait until they recover & rebalance then ?
@@paul3009 it's immaterial what the values were in the past. If your portfolio is worth £X today, you need to figure out whether your active fund is more likely to beat the market over the next time period (whatever your horizon is). I concluded in 2004 that I don't possess more information than the market, so I just accept market return. So it's easy for me to say. But I realise that active investors always have a nagging thought that they can beat the market, so it's not an easy decision to make.
I think you'll find the people who preach buy and hold are the ones who take profits along the way or swing trade and short/long. They need the drip buy and holders to keep doing that so someone is always buying. They are the ones moving markets it seems. Maybe a half way strategy is a good idea, so when your up a pre determined amount you sell a portion and either reallocate or stay in cash for the eventual drop.
Hellow, I'm personal trader in future market, and in Friday, market was soaring with groundless hope of economic rebound. I think this market sometimes moves by a few manipulators. Very hard to find right time to trading.
need some help... i am 21, i have about 10k invested which is split between VUSA, SMT(scottish mortgage investment trust) and a couple of individual stocks. I dollar cost average every month but i am sitting on about 5k in cash do i buy lump sum of VUSA or put it in a really highest interest rate savings account or guaranteed bonds by NS&I (which is locked away for a year) any thoughts and ideas would be great :)
I'm no expert but if I was 21 and didnt need to use the money for the foreseeable future (10+ years)I would wrap the money into my stocks and shares isa and invest it in something like a 100% equity index fund ..something like the vanguard 100 lifestrategy
Thanks, Ramin. I think this video is another reminder that having your core portfolio based on ETFs/mutual funds is probably better than individual stocks.
For me at least, I'd hate having to constantly worry when to sell individual stocks.
Thank you @TomsPersonalFinance
And, given that fewer than 1% of mutual funds outperform the market over 5 years - you can narrow that down to ETF's....
@@danguee1 Hi Dan. Do you know that mutual funds are not all actively managed? There are plenty of index tracking mutual funds as well.
@danguee1 why aim to outperform the market? Matching it does me just fine.
The only reason I have individual stocks is so I'm not invested in companies I don't like. It's more duvet but it fits my ethics better
Thank you for uploading. I own single stocks and ETF and the thesis idea for holding single stocks is so important for me. I’m still on my learning journey in terms of understanding how to evaluate a stock etc, so your idea is actually very useful.
Great video and hope PensionCraft and all Pensioncrafters have a great weekend!
Thanks! You too! @mccready7479
Another great video. If you have index funds in a SIPP, there will come a time when you are retired that you will need to sell funds. Any guidance of the timing of this? Many thanks
An important distinction is that in the Magnificent Seven example, the entire market was going down for well-known reasons in 2008. On the other hand, when the market is relentlessly green day after day, except for one laggard that is always in the red, it is time to look more closely at that red stock and possibly selling it.
What about selling if the Shiller P/E ratio is too high ? As is currently the case for the US market. Maybe then re-invest in a value fund or international stock ?
Great video thanks. For those who like to drip-feed or stagger their purchases, there's an argument that selling should also be staggered. Volatility affects both buying and selling.
Haha - how would that look?! I'm not sure you've thought this through....
Thank you for your calm sensible intelligent videos.
Glad you like them! @Rich72James
Just DCA into broad market index funds and ETFs, and you'll never have to worry about selling. Ever.
I buy and sell, a little bit as "swing" trading, but only with momentum ones. I bought in more visa when it dropped down to 200 or so, and have taken profits now and again.
I will soon have a chunk of money (£120k) to invest for my retirement in 10 years time.
I need information on 2 strategies
1) what to hold the pot in whilst I drip feed it into an Isa and/or pension. Ie High interest account. General stock and shares , bonds etc
2)what is the best drawdown strategy in retirement. Sell a chunk off on an annual base, monthly bases etc ? Or wait for specific trends in the market
Hi Ramin, fantastic video again. Thank you very much.
What you're saying about the index funds is very true but except for FTSE 100. Once it reaches out peak of 6930 in 1999, FTSE 100 has behaved more like a cyclical index than recording all time high likes s&p 500. Therefore it is probably not a bad idea to sell the fund and book some profit when it crosses 7500 but keep the pound cost averaging going on even while doing so. What are your thoughts?
Kind regards
Sagar
I recently sold for the first time ever, after realising I could just about break even with one of the singleton lemon stocks I was holding. Two to go…
The art of selling is not understood by many. Limit orders up or down at targeted levels is something EVERYONE should know. 5%, 10% etc etc up or down will help you big time and protect you from those incredible surges or downfalls due to external factors. Pandemic, inflation reports, bad news, war etc are something that HAS and WILL affect your portfolio for nor real reason against the underlying stocks.
By the time you read the news in the paper, the market has already reacted. It's foolish to sell in response to bad news, unless you have some sort of informational edge
Institutional investors can sell enough of their shares to drop the price, activate your stop loss order, them rebuy your discounted shares before jacking the price back up.
I'd agree with setting stop losses
Thank you so much. As always, thank you for your excellent work!
You're welcome @SoNg-dh1me
I'm down about 25% on my green energy etf . Have thought about selling , but might keep DCAing
You are not alone but I believe that Green energy will be the only game in town, but maybe a few years yet
@@simonkemp1030 it deffo makes sense & hopefully get a good lower average ready for rebound
Buying thematic funds is similar to buying individual stocks.
@@george6977 not a fan of individual stocks incase one fails
I'm interested in how tax implications of selling a gainer in a non-registered account should be factored into the decision to sell. I've got several individual stocks with large gains. I'm retiring and I'd like to restructure my portfolio into mostly ETFs, but selling stocks will cost me in taxes. What to do!?
When they got best of Profits then you'll sell the shares or the stocks. You won't be able to see the best of Profits in all of the century, but when you had it above 200 or 300 percent profits of the company, is the right moment to selloff the stocks or the shares. This is even valid for private equity firms and not just the Individual trade options.
The hypothese that markets wil always go up in the long term. You never know that, only in hindsight, and that is what you do now.
Sorry can you type in simple English I didn’t get you
It is true that we only know this in hindsight. However, if the markets ever go into terminal decline, that would be the end of all economies, no matter where you had your money. Even a mattress wouldn’t work…
@@anjux3673 "if the markets ever go into terminal decline" - Japan NIKKEI went into deep losses for 30 years and still havent even recovered at a zero lump sum return compared to that 30 years ago. I guess Japanese economy is literally a crater with nothing left...Not even a mattress, right!
For this reason I believe Ramin had saod previously that for his core portfolio is fully invested in a world index fund and he mitigates the risk of exposure in a single market.
@@anjux3673 the stockmarket is not the economy. The stockmarket lives from excessmoney extracted from the real economy.
´Protofolio management is about manage of risk not returns
Since I'm only swing and now mostly day trading, I have the opposite problem. LOL!
When to keep ahold for a while to ride the monkey up.
Instead... most often than not, I sell even sooner than my target price. That's helped me many other times... but I need to layer out to take advantage of runners that actually hit, and even surpass my target. But I'm really good at buying the "dip" and DCA down... redder it gets, the more I'm like okay buying some more... and of course it hits a certain low that I didn't think it would get... I'm like DISCOUNT!!! LOL! BUY BUY BUY! Slather it all over my face LOL! Then hint of green.... okay got to setup some sell limits... okay maybe I'm being too greedy... lowering the sell limit order.
When I switch back to long term investing is going to be really weird. I want to do that in my other accounts that I don't look at very frequently.
Hey Ramin! Let me your content. Could you please do a video about capital gains tax on fractional shares please
You sell when you need to use the money, or when you've achieved a return that you're happy with and want to reinvest the money in something else.
Bond performance is terrible in recent years, and see no hope of rebounding in the near future. Isn't still worth holding?
exelent video
Thanks @heikoderiese
Great topic Ramin, but I don't think the reasons given were good/sensible. For talk on single stocks you would have been better talking about swing trading strategies. You'd probably opt for fundamentals on this. Technicals are actually probably a bit more accurate in predicting the price action that will happen. Sadly I could have done a better video on this important topic, and I have never done a YT video before.
That's trading, not investing.
Traders shouldn't be watching this channel, they need an entirely different set of advice which they can get elsewhere.
What's investing though? Other people stealing your capital. "the Stock market is not a wealth creation mechanism, it is a wealth extraction mechanism" Executive boards know that, they practice that regularly
@@FixUp.LookSharp Investing involves getting paid to bear risk. You're effectively buying uncertain cashflows at less than their fair value, because other people find those assets too scary to own. There's no guarantee of profits, but over the long term, the expected return from holding stocks is somewhere in the region of 5-8% pa. "Trading", by contrast, is a zero-sum game. The longer you play, the more you lose. The idea that you can "trade" your way to life-changing wealth is pure fantasy.
@@FixUp.LookSharp the stock market is simply a mechanism for transferring wealth from the impatient to the patient.
There's nothing sinister or complicated about it. Investors see it as a get rich slow scheme. Traders see it as a get rich quick scheme.
Wealth flows from traders to investors. Apart from the IPO and share issuances, money never transfers to a company.
Successful long term investors rarely sell. They just buy the dips .
If they never sell, how do they buy the dips ?
@chrisf1600 uh! With new cash, I guess 🤔
Probably. I personally don't want to have to wait out a bear market, and have made many mistakes not selling stocks that are in terminal decline (e.g land securities, national express).
👍
Speak for yourself Ramin. I'm in it for the money bath! 🤣
8-)
Its the magnificent 7, where do you get the 5 from? Is it your own made up 5?
“I made my money by selling too soon.”
― Bernard Baruch
A better plan is to avoid the sell dilemma is never buy individual stocks. Buy etfs or trackers.
So no good time to sell index funds prior to retirement?
Nor after retirement! I stopped work in 2019 but plan on living another 40 years.
I keep 4 years of cash and sell small slices of index funds every now and then to top up
@@ChrisShawUKthat sounds like a very good plan and one which presumably saw you through the pandemic without having to take a loss on your investments
@@pedazodetorpedo totally! You can imagine how I felt in April 2020, eight months after stopping work looking at my portfolio 32% down ...
But I didn't sell, nor in 2021 when it mostly recovered. In 2022 I topped up a bit even though the market was flat. In 2023 I topped up a lot when the market was up.
It's not really about market timing as such (because you can't really do that). But you think of the cash buffer as a swimming pool which you top up at your leisure.
I think you are a bit to late in making this video Mr Craft. Because I bought and I’ve been holding Boohoo stock since February 2021 😢. Boohoo stock is just a perfect example of what Peter Lynch told us not to do, i.e don’t just buy a stock because it’s going up
Man I wish I listened to him 🤦
Important to stress that you are talking about investing and not trading.
Great content!
when to sell a actively managed fund?
Sell it straight away and buy an index fund.
Your chances of beating the market are very very slim, so save yourself the heartache now.
I'm in the same situation - I want to sell my active managed funds & transfer to index trackers as suggested - but if the funds are down in value - is thus a good idea ? Or wait until they recover & rebalance then ?
@@paul3009 it's immaterial what the values were in the past.
If your portfolio is worth £X today, you need to figure out whether your active fund is more likely to beat the market over the next time period (whatever your horizon is).
I concluded in 2004 that I don't possess more information than the market, so I just accept market return. So it's easy for me to say.
But I realise that active investors always have a nagging thought that they can beat the market, so it's not an easy decision to make.
I thought the idea of being an investor not a speculator was to buy and hold through thick n thin ?
I think you'll find the people who preach buy and hold are the ones who take profits along the way or swing trade and short/long. They need the drip buy and holders to keep doing that so someone is always buying. They are the ones moving markets it seems. Maybe a half way strategy is a good idea, so when your up a pre determined amount you sell a portion and either reallocate or stay in cash for the eventual drop.
Theres plenty of other strategies. DCA, trading, dividend investing, etc
Don't forget to use Chapstick (or something similar) as your mouth always looks super dry!
My takeaway from this is only sell if you need the money or for rebalancing
I'd add to that, if factors affecting your original rationale for buying have changed.
Knowing when to sell is so important
Hellow, I'm personal trader in future market, and in Friday, market was soaring with groundless hope of economic rebound. I think this market sometimes moves by a few manipulators. Very hard to find right time to trading.
need some help...
i am 21, i have about 10k invested which is split between VUSA, SMT(scottish mortgage investment trust) and a couple of individual stocks.
I dollar cost average every month but i am sitting on about 5k in cash do i buy lump sum of VUSA or put it in a really highest interest rate savings account or guaranteed bonds by NS&I (which is locked away for a year)
any thoughts and ideas would be great :)
I'm no expert but if I was 21 and didnt need to use the money for the foreseeable future (10+ years)I would wrap the money into my stocks and shares isa and invest it in something like a 100% equity index fund ..something like the vanguard 100 lifestrategy
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