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Why Dresden? Because Germans lived there. I had an uncle I never got to meet die in that war (yes, I'm an older guy), because of the Holocaust, because of the brutality of the Nazis, and because Hitler was elected by German citizens, I have no problem at all with these bombings.
Yeah, pretty much. Total war is indeed total. Although imo I think Harris's quote about reaping the whirlwind applied to Japan as well. It is indeed terrible, but the Axis leader's were the ones that dragged their nations into war, committed genocide, and then refused to surrender, willing to sacrifice the populace to avoid justice for a little while longer.
Not only because they so nonchalantly defended the use of a weapon they didn't really understand yet and dismissed the possible outcome for it's victims but also because they aknowledge that firebombs are in fact not exactly the most humane in the first place ...
@@Meirstein Yes, from August to Marcus Aurelius there was 200 yere long peace cald pax romana, which is astonishing for the time to only have war with neighbors for that long on that massive area.
First part: "In total war, there are no true 'good guys'. The best you can get is a light grey." Second part: "Hey Joakim, how massive do you think the Hulk's dong is?"
That interview section had some of the biggest whiplash I've ever experienced in Sabaton History. Going from a depressing topic like carpet bombing to Sun Tzu riding a flying carpet, the phone call skit with Indy, and the talk about the Incredible Hulk's package was certainly an experience. I think I was genuinely laughing at some points during the discussion, like when Pär (yes, with an 'ä') butted in.
I left the room for 45 seconds and the subject went from an album's play to inviting the Hulk to have relations in the kitchen. Still more historical than The History Channel.
Time for a *_Beasts of War_* album, guys! Hannibal's elephants The Great Emu War Sergeant Stubby (America's first and most highly decorated war dog) Cher Ami (the pigeon that saved the 77th in the Argonne) Wojtek etc.
I think there's a statue somewhere in the USA of a marine with four legs and a horse's head. He would take himself back to the supply train, where they'd load up ammunition and then he'd walk himself back to the front line. Sergeant Reckless.
@@Unknown_Genius true, but the issue isn't people being terrified, its the use of terrorism as a tactic, or more accurately hypocritically labeling something terrorism when the enemy does it, but then turning around and justifying the same act or worse as "strategic" when you do it. The Brits blasted the hell out of the Nazis for bombing civilians, calling absolutely evil...but then suddenly it was morally okay to not just bomb civilians, but to deliberately bomb them in such a way as to maximize the loss of human life? Even in war there must be standards and morals. If it was acceptable for the allies to firebomb civilians, then Hitler did nothing wrong when he did the same. And if Hitler was evil for bombing civilians...then the allies too committed great and terrible evil.
Man, I fear the day the channel runs out of songs, tho there are still topics Sabaton could cover, Seven Years War, Napoleonic Era, Franco-Prussuan War, Sengoku Jidai, Roman Empire, 100 years war, man humanity has a long history...
Or american Revolution (but make sure the tea u droppin in water isn't shown to british people) or pearl harbor or Force Z (was it force Z I can't remember) or maybe the battle of jutland.
SUN TZU ON A FLYING CARPET IS THE BEST THING I'VE SEEN ALL YEAR! I choked on my tongue I laughed so hard. And then the mixups with the Dutch language followed by the corrections, despite the subject being incredibly horrifying (I never knew the US firebombed Tokyo, we never learned that in school, I only ever learned we bombed HIroshima and Nagasaki), I laughed so much during this episode. Thank you guys so much for adding levity to the video despite the serious nature of the song. It always makes me smile, even if I'm havin a tough time right now cause I've had 5 finals this month with my 5th and final one tomorrow. I'll keep soldiering on, but these videos are always a bright spot in my week.
@@gendumthegreat805 Yeah but there are true stories in that regard someway, including a japanese soldier lost in the jungle who thought WWII wasn't over until the late 50's
It's time for: "History of Sabaton." "History of Rockstad:Falun/Sabaton open air." Special: "History of Indy and Spartacus." And as a curveball: "History of Sabatons hometown Falun."
@Parthenax nobody gives a shit about allied war crimes because the allies won. That's it. Nothing else. The same would be true for the axis if they had won. When it comes right down to it, the only crime in war is to lose because the victors get to choose the narrative.
That would be interesting in more ways than one. Tolkien (may he rest in Piece) could be incredibly vague; the history of the Nazgul is one such instance. What we know for certain: they were once Men who were given Nine of the Rings of Power, three were Numenorian lords, one was an Easterling, four others are unknown, and their leader was once the Witch King of Angmar, and is the greatest of the Nazgul. The Nazgul were Sauron's chief minions, and were essentially unkillable so long as Sauron was around. They were sent from Mordor to hunt Frodo and the Ring; later on, the Witch King of Angmar led Sauron's forces at the Siege of Minas Tirith and the Battle of the Pellenor Fields, where a prophecy regarding said King came into effect: he technically was not killed by a man, anyway you look at it. When the One Ring was destroyed, so were the Nazgul. That is what we know for certain. It would be cool to watch a video about possible theories though.
I where on the Sabaton cruise that year when you played 7734.. The thing is, I was so extremely surprised that you played it, (because it's one of my top three favorite Sabaton songs) that it took me half way trough the song to enjoy it to the max.
One of my more favorite songs from The Art of War album, not just for its adrenalin pumping music, but also the dreadful and terrifying lyrics. Seriously if you guys ever performed this song live again, you better have sirens going off when the lyrics "the sirens scream out loud" come up. That would just send chills down my spine. Also, did anyone else expect this song to be about Napalm bombing runs during Vietnam? At least at first glance?
I love this band and this channel. I'm super late to the party, and I already miss this channel and band. I would love to see more content as I just love the personalities of the band member and Indie giving us the best story telling of the historical events. A group of people I would totally just jive with.
I’m from the Netherlands and I just watched this episode. It was really fun hearing you guys mention a tour you did in the Netherlands and trying to speak Dutch! I will see you for the first time in March next year! I’m VERY excited!
@@Kyle-gw6qp Refugees from Silesia maybe? Do you have any idea about what you are commenting? The Hague Convention was already valid at that time. You are really not the brightest candle on the pie.
This just means they needed to release another album, maybe even make it a double album. In this case, we all win, more awesome Sabaton songs and more episodes of Sabaton history.
You could do an episode about Shadows. It could cover the writing of and\or the cultural impact of Lord of the Rings. It could also be a Bio Special of sorts for Tolkien.
Yeah that would be awesome, and Indy could mention Tolkien's impact on rock and metal as any rock or metal band worth their salt has a song about LOTR. Or In Amon Amarth's (who Sabaton covered Twilight of the Thunder God from) case named their band after Tolkien's works.
Fire arrows weren't a thing used to light the enemy on fire. They blow out when the arrow is loosened due to the speed. Even if they hadn't blown out, it would be hard for the arrows to light anything on fire. There were specially designed fire arrows that didn't blow out, but they were most likely used for signalling.
Arthur Harris had the same realization a lot of commanders that saw combat in their youth came to: The longer you try to prolong the conflict in hopes of reducing casualties, the more blood is spilled.
"Sun Tzu said to use fire to confuse the enemy and put them into disarray, not turn a city into literal hell!" Arthur Harris: "HAHA! Hamburg? More like, Hamburn!"
Britain designed some crazy shit during and before the war. The first nuclear weapons program, the earthquake bombs, radar, cavity magnetron for radar, proximity fuzes, first jet engine, etc. Stalin was right when he said that the war was won with “British brains, American brawn, and Russian blood”. Britain’s Tube Alloys project was sent over to America where it was renamed the Manhattan Project. Britain needs more recognition!
Talking about Bomber Harris there always reminds me of a line from his American counterpart in the Pacific Theater, Curtis LeMay who organized similar incendiary attacks against Japanese residential districts and civilian targets that were well beyond declared sacrosanct by international treaties like hospitals and emergency services. If I remember it came about after the war, 1950 or so. And he said something to the effect of: "If we hadn't won the war me and my ilk would have been tried as the greatest war criminals in history."
I love how they go from talking about thousands dying in a firestorm and the question of whether it was ethical or not to talking about whether or not the Hulk has a massive Schlong or not within minutes
One of my favourite Sabaton song! Good history behind the song, and Indy Neidell it’s an awesome storyteller!!! I like him very much! Great job to Indy and Sabaton history channel!!!
I am not tough enough for this episode,because so many of my relatives died in the firestorm,still see it as a criminal act against civilians who had nothing to do with the war at all
I saw a Reddit comment about a Dutch poem of the bombing of Rotterdam. "Reminds me of a Dutch poem about the German bombing of Rotterdam in 1940, made as a reaction to a German poster telling us that the Allied bombers are merciless: Er kwamen vliegers aangevlogen, There, the pilots came flying over, Haast als lammetjes zoo zacht; Oh, as soft as lambs; Die hebben vol van mededoogen, They, filled with compassion, 'n Bezoek aan Rotterdam gebracht. visited Rotterdam. Ze lieten daar hun bommen vallen, There, they dropped their bombs, Door liefd' en teederheid bezield...... filled with love and tenderness.... De vliegers, die genade kennen, The pilots who know mercy, Die hebben Rotterdam vernield! they destroyed Rotterdam! Daar werd een ziekenhuis getroffen, There, they hit a hospital, (waarop een Roodekruisvlag stond!) (which was flying a Red-Cross flag!) Daar was het, dat men alle eischen There it was, that all requirements van Recht en van Beschaving schond. to be Just or Civilized, were ignored. Daar stonden duizendtallen huizen There stood thousands of houses In weinig tijds in vuur en vlam...... shortly after turned into fire and flame... De vliegers, die genade kennen, The pilots who know mercy, Die bombardeerden Rotterdam! they bombed Rotterdam! Daar werden vrouwen, grijsaards, kind'ren There women, elderly, children Door dat GENADIGE geweld, through that MERCIFUL violence, Bij 't ijdel vluchten door de vuurzee, while fleeing through a sea of fire, Door vallend steen ter neer geveld. were killed by falling rocks. Daar vluchtten angstig opgejaagden There the frightened refugees fled Over de vuur'ge straten voort...... through the burning streets... De vliegers, die genade kennen, The pilots who know mercy, Die hebben duizenden vermoord! have murdered thousands! Vanuit de Rotterdamsche puinhoop From the ruins of Rotterdam Stijgt fel en rauw de schelle kreet, fierce and raw the loud cry goes up, ‘Zie en onthoud, wat hier geschied is, 'See and remember, what happened here, Wie hier genade gelden deed!’ who subjected us to their mercy!' Die kreet weerklinke allerwege That cry went up everywhere Door ons geknechte Nederland: through our subjugated Netherlands: De vliegers, die genade kennen, The pilots who know mercy, Die hebben Rotterdam verbrand! have burned Rotterdam!" Edit: everything in quotes was not written by me.
Now this was dark. Indy gave me the chills summing up "An atom bomb might have actually been more humane." But anyhow, what I'm mostly thinking about right now, is Neuken in de Keuken.
I came to that same conclusion diving deeper in the wars. This was a war completely driven by hatred by all involved. All the combative countries have deliberately targeted civilians, the only limitations being the capabilities of the war machines themselves. What is the difference between 1000 bombers dropping 100,000 lbs vs one bomber with one bomb, the destruction levels being the same. To me that is probably the scariest thing about nuclear weapons: It was just a cheaper way to do what they were already doing.
Actually most of the production lines were sent underground by this time of the war. Even though the numbers were not significant they continued being unmolested
Please keep on coming with the history episodes! Maybe go into further detail of existing songs which you already covered? Looking forward to sabaton history each week!!
I live near Hamburg and just last week an unexploded WW2 bomb was disarmed in my town. Today they announced another one was found, so that‘s going to be taken care of some time in the next weeks. Fitting for that Video to come out today
Would be a cool one for 7734, reading through youtube comments on the song theres a ton of different peoples interpretations of the song and it would be interesting to see some of those and yours explored as a song that could pottentially have a few different meanings/fit with them.
You can tell its from one of the old albums by the almost complete lack of any rhyming in the lyrics. Again, I'm glad they've improved so much since then.
After today's episode I'm certain Joakim is a true nerd at heart (fantasy is common theme to metal for him to use and no women to his mind, but history). I salute him.
Yeah but it's a cover, and not related to any peculiar historical fact. Just about vietnam war and PTSD, which is a very broad topic that should be covered.
To answer the title question, to me there is a difference between terror and strategic bombing. Dropping bombs on civilian cities with the full intention of trying to get the inhabitants to lose their will to fight while having zero targets of military importance is terror bombing. Bombing factories, radar posts, forts, fuel depots, etc is strategic bombing. Those factories and depots can be close to civilian population and civilians can die in their destruction but as long as they are not the primary target, then it's not terror bombing to me. So Hamburg, with its deliberately targeted dense population area and efforts to prevent firefighting, would be 100% terror bombing while the raid that Charlie Brown had been on when he met Franz Stigler, where they were targeting Fw 190 production lines, would be strategic bombing. The atomic bomb is also vastly more humane than firebombing as the majority of the people killed in the blast are vaporized instantly whereas victims of firebombing are literally cooked to death over a period of time. I'd rather be turned into a shadow on a sidewalk in an instant than burn to death over several seconds or minutes. #JoakimKilledPär
They covered Amon Amarth's 'Twilight of the Thunder God' as a bonus track on one of their albums. Would love to see it here - an episode on Norse history and folklore - the battle of Ragnarok!!
BROEK UIT OP JE HOOFD! Finally seeing the Dutch Sabaton tradition mentioned. I was at the Amsterdam Great War show and was introduced to it. Great to see and hopefully the guys tackle dutch history soon!
Hearing this, I thought it was about the bombing of Tokyo. Though it's it's important to note that America did warn Tokyo before bombing them, that's why there were 1 million homeless and not 1 million dead
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Why Dresden? Because Germans lived there. I had an uncle I never got to meet die in that war (yes, I'm an older guy), because of the Holocaust, because of the brutality of the Nazis, and because Hitler was elected by German citizens, I have no problem at all with these bombings.
"The atom bomb, so the argument went, might actually be more humane."
That sent chills down my spine...
Yeah.... Jeez....
Same
Yeah, pretty much. Total war is indeed total. Although imo I think Harris's quote about reaping the whirlwind applied to Japan as well. It is indeed terrible, but the Axis leader's were the ones that dragged their nations into war, committed genocide, and then refused to surrender, willing to sacrifice the populace to avoid justice for a little while longer.
Not only because they so nonchalantly defended the use of a weapon they didn't really understand yet and dismissed the possible outcome for it's victims but also because they aknowledge that firebombs are in fact not exactly the most humane in the first place ...
Except, it's not the case.
The aftermath of the firebombing, while horrendous, was still lesser than the atom bomb's.
I absolutely love that Joakim is wearing a Monty Python shirt. And it's honestly one of my favorite skits of all time.
*Sad Spanish Inquisition noises*
Mayby a song about ancient Rome is finally coming?
Joakim, if You're reading it - write that down, write that down! :D
Right? I want that shirt so bad.
Why is this written 1 day a ago?
This video was uploaded one hour a ago
In 1946, American analysts reviewed the destruction from the atomic bomb in Nagasaki, and concluded "the damage was not nearly as bad as in Hamburg".
The "atomic bomb" was just a firestorm from regular bombing.
"What did the Romans ever do for us?" "Toilets"
But the Japanese took the idea and ran with it
@@slacksviii9824 Behold. The watered shitter that moistens thy butt!
Brought Peace?
@@ChIpMuNkDeLtA Peace? Shut up!
@@Meirstein Yes, from August to Marcus Aurelius there was 200 yere long peace cald pax romana, which is astonishing for the time to only have war with neighbors for that long on that massive area.
First part: "In total war, there are no true 'good guys'. The best you can get is a light grey."
Second part: "Hey Joakim, how massive do you think the Hulk's dong is?"
LOL
>be me
>have a ton of homework with deadline ruthlessly approaching
>sabaton history releases a video
>homework can wait
Same bro
Who knows, maybe something SH says in this video can apply to your homework. If not, oh well.
Atleast Sabaton History is educational so it's acceptable.
Что мы говорим домашней работе? Тоже что богу смерти, не сегодня.
14:10 "Death from above" -Sun Tzu, Art of War
That interview section had some of the biggest whiplash I've ever experienced in Sabaton History. Going from a depressing topic like carpet bombing to Sun Tzu riding a flying carpet, the phone call skit with Indy, and the talk about the Incredible Hulk's package was certainly an experience. I think I was genuinely laughing at some points during the discussion, like when Pär (yes, with an 'ä') butted in.
#JoakimKilledPär
I too have this great power : ä ë ï ö ü ÿ, I have them all !!!
Last one to wait: SWEDISH PAGANS!!!
(This is how to trigger Joakim off)
Another way to trigger Joakim is to include Tommy in that episode
@@JojokimVT And as a special guest, Thobbe too!
Having Tommy in a sabaton history episode would be interesting.
wooooh-woooooooooh-woooooooh
@@Thomas.Wright Ah, I see you are a fellow person of culture as well, comrade.
I didn't even realize the regular songs were through already
This is "almost every single song"
The last one - SWEDISH PAGANS
If we are lucky, they will save that song for the 100th episode, which is just in 2 weeks.
@@JojokimVT and the last one of 2020
WooOO'oh, wooOOoo'oh...
Quoth Tommy and Thobbe: "I wanna play Swedish Pagans"
and it's nearly 100 of them jeez.
I left the room for 45 seconds and the subject went from an album's play to inviting the Hulk to have relations in the kitchen.
Still more historical than The History Channel.
Joakim seems to learn only really essential and useful sentences of other languages :D
Noch ein Bier
@@mats7492 Arguably the ONLY sentence anyone needs to know.
Time for a *_Beasts of War_* album, guys!
Hannibal's elephants
The Great Emu War
Sergeant Stubby (America's first and most highly decorated war dog)
Cher Ami (the pigeon that saved the 77th in the Argonne)
Wojtek
etc.
Don't forget unsinkable sam
And for B sides, songs about Nils Olav (a penguin) and William Windsor (a goat)
Definitely would love to hear something for Stubby and Wojtek! :D
Saturn the gator
I think there's a statue somewhere in the USA of a marine with four legs and a horse's head. He would take himself back to the supply train, where they'd load up ammunition and then he'd walk himself back to the front line. Sergeant Reckless.
"If it is strategic when you do it to your enemy, but terrorism when your enemy does it to you, that is all the answer you need to your question."
Whose quote is that
@@stastu6484 mine, though i'm sure someone smarter than me has said something like it before.
@@Unknown_Genius true, but the issue isn't people being terrified, its the use of terrorism as a tactic, or more accurately hypocritically labeling something terrorism when the enemy does it, but then turning around and justifying the same act or worse as "strategic" when you do it.
The Brits blasted the hell out of the Nazis for bombing civilians, calling absolutely evil...but then suddenly it was morally okay to not just bomb civilians, but to deliberately bomb them in such a way as to maximize the loss of human life? Even in war there must be standards and morals. If it was acceptable for the allies to firebomb civilians, then Hitler did nothing wrong when he did the same. And if Hitler was evil for bombing civilians...then the allies too committed great and terrible evil.
@@Unknown_Genius true. not that that stops anyone from insisting they're the good guys when they're just as horrible as the "bad guys."
I believe the difference is "if you do it during the war is strategic, if you do it in times of peace it is terrorism"
If you are finished with all regular songs of the albums, that can mean one thing: Time for a new album :)
They missed a couple though-"Swedish Pagans," but also "Glorious Land." I'm interested in the stories behind those songs.
"We can't get an illustration of flying carpets dropping bombs."
You underestimate the power of the Internet, Indy.
This is gonna be an Arthur “ fire up the lancers” Harris video isn’t it?
Good ole bomber Harris
DO IT AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS
Arthur "You want total war? I will make your sore" Harris
Arthur "send the hun to the sun" Harris
Arthur “doing his round with a 1,000 pound” Harris
Nearly done. Always wondered why this track wasn't covered in lineups. Now, I know.
"Messups in the high command", understatement of the century, the army and navy where pretty much literally at each others throats
Man, I fear the day the channel runs out of songs, tho there are still topics Sabaton could cover, Seven Years War, Napoleonic Era, Franco-Prussuan War, Sengoku Jidai, Roman Empire, 100 years war, man humanity has a long history...
Or american Revolution (but make sure the tea u droppin in water isn't shown to british people) or pearl harbor or Force Z (was it force Z I can't remember) or maybe the battle of jutland.
What can we say? Humanity. We do's what we likes and we likes what we do.
A normal conversation: *exists*
Indy: but what is the Hulk packing tho? 🤔
SUN TZU ON A FLYING CARPET IS THE BEST THING I'VE SEEN ALL YEAR! I choked on my tongue I laughed so hard. And then the mixups with the Dutch language followed by the corrections, despite the subject being incredibly horrifying (I never knew the US firebombed Tokyo, we never learned that in school, I only ever learned we bombed HIroshima and Nagasaki), I laughed so much during this episode.
Thank you guys so much for adding levity to the video despite the serious nature of the song. It always makes me smile, even if I'm havin a tough time right now cause I've had 5 finals this month with my 5th and final one tomorrow. I'll keep soldiering on, but these videos are always a bright spot in my week.
XD
Can we get a history of ‘Camouflage?’ Telling the stories of literal ghosts in warfare
That’s a cover of really old song
@@gendumthegreat805 Yeah but there are true stories in that regard someway, including a japanese soldier lost in the jungle who thought WWII wasn't over until the late 50's
@@Damien.D even one who fought until the 70s
I think operation wandering soul and psychological warfare would be a match for the song camouflage
Stan Ridgeway rules
I hate to say it, but I'm learning more history from a heavy metal band than some guy standing in a classroom with 20-30 kids
Hate to say it? Dont you mean you *love* to say it?
@@claytonplays8722 yes
That is because the american school system is horrible. I am obviously assuming your an american so if I am wrong just ignore this comment.
@@beng6480 I am, and I agree
It's time for:
"History of Sabaton."
"History of Rockstad:Falun/Sabaton open air."
Special: "History of Indy and Spartacus."
And as a curveball: "History of Sabatons hometown Falun."
16:30 poor Pär...
I have the absolute blessing of having a German keyboard so that I can easily type PÄR with the correct umlaut XD
#JoakimkilledPär
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Even as a german I never heard about this. Thank you for covering this
Edit: especially the Hamburg part. Dresden I knew
You know what this means right, Sabaton needs to do another album to keep Indy busy.
Started dark ended light. Every Sabaton history episode
I think you missed The Hammer Has Fallen
Please cover that too I love the song
- "How many war crimes do you wish to commit?"
- "Yes!"
Welcome to the Allies, you can commit warcrimes and get away with it
@@Drache191200 that's why I love the allies hahahahahaha
@Sacred Squadron SAS The allies did much worse things? Yes, I totally agree
@Parthenax nobody gives a shit about allied war crimes because the allies won. That's it. Nothing else. The same would be true for the axis if they had won. When it comes right down to it, the only crime in war is to lose because the victors get to choose the narrative.
Did you ever do an Episode about the song Camouflage? Or is it not invluded because it's a bonus track?
No, because camouflage is a cover of a Stan Ridgeway song from back in the 80s
It is a cover. But it's a great song. They should do it
@Kiryan cover with a wrong lyric mind you
@@camilogonzalez5576 not only that, it’s a cover for a song with a fictional premise
@@micahdadbeh5955 sure, but it would be a chance to talk about Vietnam, PTSD, drugs and the American soldiers, mythology of the war...
You should do Shadows and make the history part about the history of the Nazgul
That would be interesting in more ways than one. Tolkien (may he rest in Piece) could be incredibly vague; the history of the Nazgul is one such instance. What we know for certain: they were once Men who were given Nine of the Rings of Power, three were Numenorian lords, one was an Easterling, four others are unknown, and their leader was once the Witch King of Angmar, and is the greatest of the Nazgul. The Nazgul were Sauron's chief minions, and were essentially unkillable so long as Sauron was around. They were sent from Mordor to hunt Frodo and the Ring; later on, the Witch King of Angmar led Sauron's forces at the Siege of Minas Tirith and the Battle of the Pellenor Fields, where a prophecy regarding said King came into effect: he technically was not killed by a man, anyway you look at it. When the One Ring was destroyed, so were the Nazgul. That is what we know for certain. It would be cool to watch a video about possible theories though.
Intoo the middle earth... The Mordor Army marched!!
I always thought this was about the us firebombing Japan, damn
Jfc me too...
it could apply to both cases
I thought it was about both
The blitz for me
I confused this song with Nuclear Attack.
16:50 Looks at bass: *My time has come!*
You mean :
my time has come
@@rodiguezelio2707 Good Idea!
I where on the Sabaton cruise that year when you played 7734.. The thing is, I was so extremely surprised that you played it, (because it's one of my top three favorite Sabaton songs) that it took me half way trough the song to enjoy it to the max.
5:35
I live in Cologne. Shocking that it was a war zone 80 years ago
Right? I spent a summer in Koeln and its amazing how it looks now compared to 1945.
@@alexamerling79 Yup
And there was that one tank duel that is decently well covered in that city as well.
for a pretty much tiny event its one of the most well known ones.
@@davidty2006 I remember reading about that.
I adore this song, always makes me put my foot down just a little bit while driving.
Officer you don't understand Sabaton was on.
One of my more favorite songs from The Art of War album, not just for its adrenalin pumping music, but also the dreadful and terrifying lyrics. Seriously if you guys ever performed this song live again, you better have sirens going off when the lyrics "the sirens scream out loud" come up. That would just send chills down my spine.
Also, did anyone else expect this song to be about Napalm bombing runs during Vietnam? At least at first glance?
>did anyone else expect this song to be about Napalm bombing runs
that's just natural. anglo crimes against humanity have no end.
I think the effect would be better if the sirens went off before the start of the song imo.
I love this band and this channel. I'm super late to the party, and I already miss this channel and band. I would love to see more content as I just love the personalities of the band member and Indie giving us the best story telling of the historical events. A group of people I would totally just jive with.
You know you’ve got an obsession when you at least recognize all the Metallizer songs when they mention them.
I can binge watch and listen your history vids indefinitely! SUBSCRIBED.
I’m from the Netherlands and I just watched this episode. It was really fun hearing you guys mention a tour you did in the Netherlands and trying to speak Dutch! I will see you for the first time in March next year! I’m VERY excited!
Such a dark chapter in history and yet I can't stop giggling at that quote on Joakim's t-shirt! I love that scene and that movie xP
I'm glad that none of this is being forgotten.
These crimes against civilians like in Dresden will never be forgotten!
@@swampy81 not crimes. These people needed to be bombed.
@@Kyle-gw6qp A city full of refugees...don't talk nonsense
@@swampy81 refugees of which country? Civilians of which country? The war had to be won. The end definitely justifies the means.
@@Kyle-gw6qp Refugees from Silesia maybe? Do you have any idea about what you are commenting? The Hague Convention was already valid at that time. You are really not the brightest candle on the pie.
Sabatons show of Heroes on tour at Amsterdam, was by far the most amazing show I have ever seen! BROEK UIT, OP JE HOOFD! \m/.
4:42 That's Lübeck, my parents live just to the right of the frame.
I’m glad they were ok (or THEIR) parents; I guess it’s not a war crime when we do it! (I say ‘we’ because I’m American)
Therapist: every dream has meaning
My dreams: 14:08
This just means they needed to release another album, maybe even make it a double album. In this case, we all win, more awesome Sabaton songs and more episodes of Sabaton history.
I love this editor so much!
You could do an episode about Shadows. It could cover the writing of and\or the cultural impact of Lord of the Rings. It could also be a Bio Special of sorts for Tolkien.
Yeah that would be awesome, and Indy could mention Tolkien's impact on rock and metal as any rock or metal band worth their salt has a song about LOTR. Or In Amon Amarth's (who Sabaton covered Twilight of the Thunder God from) case named their band after Tolkien's works.
Yes! That would be amazing!
Fire arrows weren't a thing used to light the enemy on fire. They blow out when the arrow is loosened due to the speed. Even if they hadn't blown out, it would be hard for the arrows to light anything on fire. There were specially designed fire arrows that didn't blow out, but they were most likely used for signalling.
I know it is sort of a cover, but by when could we expect the video for "Långa bollar på Bengt"?
Arthur Harris had the same realization a lot of commanders that saw combat in their youth came to: The longer you try to prolong the conflict in hopes of reducing casualties, the more blood is spilled.
Soo you butcher civilians to save your soldiers? Is that what this lesson is?
If so, I guess Al Quaida are the true heirs of Arthur Harris.
This is the first time they gave a warning that is how good this song is
No. They have given a warning before
No. They have given a warning before
The answer? Yes. Its both. There cannot be one without the other.
I own a bass and an ä-key so I guess I am qualified and will be expecting a call. #JoakimKilledPär
#joakimKilledPär
Copy and paste but I only got a trumpet
I can play a piano if you guys need one #Sabaton #JoakimKilledPär.
I have pads if you need some pads. Or a tuba
I tune my bass in ä-key.
I can play the drums if that helps
Thank you for doing one of my favorite songs from Sabaton
"Sun Tzu said to use fire to confuse the enemy and put them into disarray, not turn a city into literal hell!"
Arthur Harris: "HAHA! Hamburg? More like, Hamburn!"
Britain designed some crazy shit during and before the war. The first nuclear weapons program, the earthquake bombs, radar, cavity magnetron for radar, proximity fuzes, first jet engine, etc.
Stalin was right when he said that the war was won with “British brains, American brawn, and Russian blood”.
Britain’s Tube Alloys project was sent over to America where it was renamed the Manhattan Project. Britain needs more recognition!
Talking about Bomber Harris there always reminds me of a line from his American counterpart in the Pacific Theater, Curtis LeMay who organized similar incendiary attacks against Japanese residential districts and civilian targets that were well beyond declared sacrosanct by international treaties like hospitals and emergency services. If I remember it came about after the war, 1950 or so. And he said something to the effect of: "If we hadn't won the war me and my ilk would have been tried as the greatest war criminals in history."
He's not wrong. When it comes down to it, the only crime in war is to lose.
I love how they go from talking about thousands dying in a firestorm and the question of whether it was ethical or not to talking about whether or not the Hulk has a massive Schlong or not within minutes
It's time for Sabaton History to connect what individual events (in history) has done to make modern day times normal.
There is the song The Hammer has Fallen maybe that could be a song you take a look in
Can you make episodes about the bonus like Glorious Land and Camouflage ?!
Glorious Land was a bonus? Sounded like part of the actual album, fit well with the theme
Glorious land wasn't a bonus afaik, it just didn't cover any historical topic but rather a concept
Camouflage is a cover done by sabaton
One of my favourite Sabaton song! Good history behind the song, and Indy Neidell it’s an awesome storyteller!!! I like him very much! Great job to Indy and Sabaton history channel!!!
I am not tough enough for this episode,because so many of my relatives died in the firestorm,still see it as a criminal act against civilians who had nothing to do with the war at all
I saw a Reddit comment about a Dutch poem of the bombing of Rotterdam.
"Reminds me of a Dutch poem about the German bombing of Rotterdam in 1940, made as a reaction to a German poster telling us that the Allied bombers are merciless:
Er kwamen vliegers aangevlogen,
There, the pilots came flying over,
Haast als lammetjes zoo zacht;
Oh, as soft as lambs;
Die hebben vol van mededoogen,
They, filled with compassion,
'n Bezoek aan Rotterdam gebracht.
visited Rotterdam.
Ze lieten daar hun bommen vallen,
There, they dropped their bombs,
Door liefd' en teederheid bezield......
filled with love and tenderness....
De vliegers, die genade kennen,
The pilots who know mercy,
Die hebben Rotterdam vernield!
they destroyed Rotterdam!
Daar werd een ziekenhuis getroffen,
There, they hit a hospital,
(waarop een Roodekruisvlag stond!)
(which was flying a Red-Cross flag!)
Daar was het, dat men alle eischen
There it was, that all requirements
van Recht en van Beschaving schond.
to be Just or Civilized, were ignored.
Daar stonden duizendtallen huizen
There stood thousands of houses
In weinig tijds in vuur en vlam......
shortly after turned into fire and flame...
De vliegers, die genade kennen,
The pilots who know mercy,
Die bombardeerden Rotterdam!
they bombed Rotterdam!
Daar werden vrouwen, grijsaards, kind'ren
There women, elderly, children
Door dat GENADIGE geweld,
through that MERCIFUL violence,
Bij 't ijdel vluchten door de vuurzee,
while fleeing through a sea of fire,
Door vallend steen ter neer geveld.
were killed by falling rocks.
Daar vluchtten angstig opgejaagden
There the frightened refugees fled
Over de vuur'ge straten voort......
through the burning streets...
De vliegers, die genade kennen,
The pilots who know mercy,
Die hebben duizenden vermoord!
have murdered thousands!
Vanuit de Rotterdamsche puinhoop
From the ruins of Rotterdam
Stijgt fel en rauw de schelle kreet,
fierce and raw the loud cry goes up,
‘Zie en onthoud, wat hier geschied is,
'See and remember, what happened here,
Wie hier genade gelden deed!’
who subjected us to their mercy!'
Die kreet weerklinke allerwege
That cry went up everywhere
Door ons geknechte Nederland:
through our subjugated Netherlands:
De vliegers, die genade kennen,
The pilots who know mercy,
Die hebben Rotterdam verbrand!
have burned Rotterdam!"
Edit: everything in quotes was not written by me.
Now this was dark. Indy gave me the chills summing up "An atom bomb might have actually been more humane."
But anyhow, what I'm mostly thinking about right now, is Neuken in de Keuken.
I came to that same conclusion diving deeper in the wars.
This was a war completely driven by hatred by all involved.
All the combative countries have deliberately targeted civilians, the only limitations being the capabilities of the war machines themselves.
What is the difference between 1000 bombers dropping 100,000 lbs vs one bomber with one bomb, the destruction levels being the same.
To me that is probably the scariest thing about nuclear weapons: It was just a cheaper way to do what they were already doing.
As Sweden Neuken in de Keuken this sound so funny lol
This song is just underrated
Could you guys do the Sabaton song Shadows and just talk about Lord of The Rings history
"If I destroy a FW190 it will take one week to replace, but if I kill a worker, it will take 18 years to replace"A Higher Call
Actually most of the production lines were sent underground by this time of the war. Even though the numbers were not significant they continued being unmolested
Great history lesson!
Seriously, I would not care what songs you guys would sing!
I love them all! Even Metalizer!
Please keep on coming with the history episodes! Maybe go into further detail of existing songs which you already covered? Looking forward to sabaton history each week!!
I actually like ''collecting'' songs I heard live and i always love when they play something unexpected :)
A great song from my favourite sabaton album.
Indy: We've done e'm all!
Meanwhile Glorious Land crying in a corner
maybe its part of the current batch?
Never expect going from carpet bombings to the Hulk's junk
I live near Hamburg and just last week an unexploded WW2 bomb was disarmed in my town. Today they announced another one was found, so that‘s going to be taken care of some time in the next weeks. Fitting for that Video to come out today
Would be a cool one for 7734, reading through youtube comments on the song theres a ton of different peoples interpretations of the song and it would be interesting to see some of those and yours explored as a song that could pottentially have a few different meanings/fit with them.
You can tell its from one of the old albums by the almost complete lack of any rhyming in the lyrics. Again, I'm glad they've improved so much since then.
After today's episode I'm certain Joakim is a true nerd at heart (fantasy is common theme to metal for him to use and no women to his mind, but history). I salute him.
I demand "shadows" next 😂
Yes.
Ash nazg durbatulûk
Ash nazg gimbatul
Ash nazg thrakatulûk
Agh burzum-ishi krimpatul
As a Tolkien nerd, I agree 100%
I have been waiting for this for so longggggg
I’m still waiting for the camouflage episode. It’s a bonus song but it’s great.
Yeah but it's a cover, and not related to any peculiar historical fact. Just about vietnam war and PTSD, which is a very broad topic that should be covered.
Sabaton History-Shadows!
And What par said speeder
We need a video on "Shadows", that could easily be made into a history video telling us the background of the dark riders.
PLAY FIRESTORM LIVE PLEASE! It's been my favorite song since I started listening to Sabaton in 2012
To answer the title question, to me there is a difference between terror and strategic bombing.
Dropping bombs on civilian cities with the full intention of trying to get the inhabitants to lose their will to fight while having zero targets of military importance is terror bombing.
Bombing factories, radar posts, forts, fuel depots, etc is strategic bombing. Those factories and depots can be close to civilian population and civilians can die in their destruction but as long as they are not the primary target, then it's not terror bombing to me.
So Hamburg, with its deliberately targeted dense population area and efforts to prevent firefighting, would be 100% terror bombing while the raid that Charlie Brown had been on when he met Franz Stigler, where they were targeting Fw 190 production lines, would be strategic bombing.
The atomic bomb is also vastly more humane than firebombing as the majority of the people killed in the blast are vaporized instantly whereas victims of firebombing are literally cooked to death over a period of time. I'd rather be turned into a shadow on a sidewalk in an instant than burn to death over several seconds or minutes.
#JoakimKilledPär
Birds of war!
Finally tell us if it really is about Chaos Raptors from Warhammer 40k.
As a Dutchman, it was super funny seeing and hearing the Dutch part xD
They covered Amon Amarth's 'Twilight of the Thunder God' as a bonus track on one of their albums. Would love to see it here - an episode on Norse history and folklore - the battle of Ragnarok!!
Could be a double episode with Swedish Pagans being told about as well.
BROEK UIT OP JE HOOFD! Finally seeing the Dutch Sabaton tradition mentioned. I was at the Amsterdam Great War show and was introduced to it. Great to see and hopefully the guys tackle dutch history soon!
History rocks keep it up 👍
Glad you guys remembered the most essential Dutch phrases
Hearing this, I thought it was about the bombing of Tokyo. Though it's it's important to note that America did warn Tokyo before bombing them, that's why there were 1 million homeless and not 1 million dead
"Can we get an illustration of that? of course not"
Editor: You underestimate my power